1 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. 2 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: So Michael Verie Show is on the air. Interesting things 3 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: happening in Poland. 4 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 3: They have a presidential election in a month, and we're 5 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 3: seeing European countries. 6 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 2: Who are at an inflection point. 7 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 3: Either they take back their country in a nationalist populist 8 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 3: movement the way we have in this country, or it 9 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 3: will be so far gone that it will be impossible 10 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 3: to get it back. Last night, the Conservative candidate for 11 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 3: president walked across the debate stage beginning of the debate. 12 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 3: It looked very similar to a debate here presidential debate, 13 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 3: same set up, just the white on top of the 14 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 3: red under the bottom of the colors of the Polish flag. 15 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 3: He walks across, He puts the Polish flag on his lectern, 16 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 3: and he takes the rainbow flag and walks it over 17 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 3: to his opponent and says, here, here is your flag, 18 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 3: making the point that you are not serving the people 19 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 3: of Poland, you are serving the politics of progressivism. You're 20 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 3: seeing this in Germany, you're seeing it in the UK. 21 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 3: The Irish Prime Minister was walking on a street in 22 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 3: Dublin over the weekend and a crowd of people random 23 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 3: lee as he came out of a back alley started 24 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 3: screaming at him that Muslims are killing our children, They're 25 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 3: overrunning our country. 26 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: This is horrible and. 27 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 3: I'm not for accosting people in public, but nobody got 28 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 3: up in his space. They simply booed him the way 29 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 3: you booed Tim Walls when you see it. For so long, 30 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: people were afraid to speak out in defense of nationalism 31 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 3: for a number of different reasons. Progressives are very effective 32 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 3: at using shame and guilt and actual clubbings. 33 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,279 Speaker 2: They get people. 34 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 3: Fired, but they're very rarely the one doing the firing. 35 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 3: They're getting someone to fire us. If I can't tell 36 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 3: you how many people over the years have done the 37 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 3: wrong thing by giving in to the progressive mob, knowing 38 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 3: it was the wrong thing. But what they want to 39 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 3: do is keep the heat off of themselves, kick the 40 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: can down the street. And if that continues in Europe. 41 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 3: So we went to Japan at Christmas, and the folks 42 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 3: there were telling me that Japan has had an absolute 43 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 3: boom of tourism. And when you drill down, you find 44 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 3: out that the thing that they hear from people is 45 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 3: we used to go to Europe. Now we come here, 46 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 3: or they're coming for the first time and it's prohibitively distant. 47 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 3: It's a brutal flight. I was surprised I posted about 48 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 3: being there, and I was surprised how many of our 49 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 3: listeners email me that they go to Japan more than 50 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 3: once a year. There were people who go every other week. 51 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 3: I my wife just got back from India and for 52 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 3: ten days she was jetlaged. For ten days, she was 53 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 3: not herself trying to get back on the system. Today's 54 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 3: her birthday, so she's fifty seven today. There is no 55 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 3: doubt that adjusting to jet lag at fifty seven is 56 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 3: much harder than it was when we were in our twenties. 57 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 2: There's a lot of things like that. 58 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 3: Hangovers, workouts, a long wall, I mean, there's a lot 59 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 3: of things fit into that. Your body doesn't respond the 60 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 3: way it used to. But the reason people are going 61 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 3: to Japan is that the crime rate is so insanely low, 62 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 3: insanely low in addition to cleanliness. And part of the 63 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 3: reason is Japan does not feel guilt at how poor 64 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 3: and broken and violent and inbred some other countries are, 65 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 3: and they don't feel the need to bring those problems 66 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 3: to their country. But England does, Denmark does, Ireland does, 67 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 3: Germany does, France does. And if you haven't been to 68 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 3: Europe in the last few years, and you ever went before, 69 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 3: you're going to be shocked. 70 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: That that is an overused word. 71 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 3: Not in this case. You're going to be gobsmacked. You're 72 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 3: going to want to leave. You walk to Chacelyse tomorrow 73 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 3: and you are not in Paris any longer. You are 74 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 3: in a different country with different behaviors. It is the 75 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 3: charm of London is lost to me now, and it 76 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 3: only gets worse. It only gets worse because you brought 77 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 3: in in these two cases, you brought in Middle Eastern 78 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 3: cultures where you've brought in so many people in such 79 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 3: a short period of time that there's no assimilation. So 80 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 3: the dominant home culture, which would normally kind of enforce itself, 81 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 3: is lost. So now you're basically just relocating broken countries 82 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 3: in London and Paris and Berlin and now Dublin, and 83 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 3: that doesn't work. It doesn't work here. You look at 84 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 3: Mogod issue in Minnesota used to be Minneapolis. There are 85 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 3: parts of Mogod issue that are more Somalia than they 86 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 3: are the United States. And all the problems you had 87 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 3: in Somalia are brought here. 88 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: Now. 89 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 3: Nobody wants to say that because we don't want to 90 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 3: believe people are different. 91 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: Okay. Can we agree that people speak different languages? Okay, 92 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 2: all right, we can let's start there. All right, We've 93 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,239 Speaker 2: we've found common ground. 94 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 3: All right, So we can agree that people from this 95 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 3: region speak a different language and people from Kentucky. Okay, 96 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 3: we're gonnagree with people from Louisiana speak different than people 97 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 3: from miss Yes, we can agree with that. 98 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: Okay. 99 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 3: Can we agree that people may have different religious practices? 100 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: Okay, but I'm feeling uncomfortable. 101 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 3: Can we agree let's make a leap that won't be 102 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 3: as offensive but is undeniably true. Can we agree that 103 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 3: different cultures have different views on how women are to 104 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 3: be treated in public? For instance, whether women can go 105 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 3: out in public without their head covered, whether women can drive, 106 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:54,559 Speaker 3: whether women can hold positions, can can work, whether men 107 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 3: can cat call women. These are social It's very hard 108 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 3: to write laws for these sorts of things. But culture 109 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 3: is maintained very loosely, but definitely by these sorts of 110 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 3: by the dominant culture said no, no, we don't do that, 111 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 3: So people would come to this country or Europe, and 112 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 3: they'd say, oh, when I'm here, I have to act 113 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 3: this way. 114 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: They don't have to do that again. If you're listening 115 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: to Michael Berryscouse Lifeless Black Eyes like a dousand. 116 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 3: January twenty seventeen, President Trump has, in the most improbable 117 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 3: win in the modern era, won the White House and 118 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 3: he's going in and the battle really begins now because 119 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 3: half the people there can't be trusted. Half the people 120 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 3: there are working against him. It has taken all these 121 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 3: years to really find out what was going on, but 122 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 3: there were some loyal folks who were in the trenches 123 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 3: with him, and I think back now, you know, this 124 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 3: has been a really soaring administration because President Trump learned 125 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 3: you can't trust those people you got and he's gone 126 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 3: in with all the momentum. Right, It wasn't like that 127 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 3: back in January twenty seventeen. One of the guys, probably 128 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 3: the guy who was getting beat up the worst, through 129 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 3: no fault of his own. He was just taking the 130 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 3: beating and getting back up with Sean Spicer, the Press 131 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 3: Secretary and Communications director, and he's our guest. 132 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: Welcome to the programs. 133 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: Huh hi, Michael Good be with you. Thank you. 134 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 3: You got to be thinking, as you see Carolyn Levitt 135 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 3: up there, going, hey, I didn't have it this easy. 136 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's funny when you say that. I 137 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: had a conversation with the President a couple of weeks back, 138 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: and he was asking me. He said, you know, this 139 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: is just how he operates. He always says, how do 140 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: you think it's going, how's everyone doing? And I said 141 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: to him, sir, I'm a little jealous. He started laughing 142 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:57,719 Speaker 1: and he said, why do you see that. I said, 143 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: because you know, we came in He was very magnanimous, 144 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: and he said, oh, that's nice in that, and I said, well, 145 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: it's true. I think we we went in for, you know, 146 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: with all the best intentions, and to your point in 147 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: your introduction, there were some people that didn't share that, 148 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: and they thought that they either were there to serve 149 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: their own agenda or to resist his. And I think 150 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: a lot of it was new and I've said to 151 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: folks before, you know. Part of the thing for me 152 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: was I I actually had this very fun conversation with 153 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: him at one point, and we're talking about traditions and 154 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 1: how the White House operates. That he looks at me 155 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: and he said, Sean, I'm going to be the most 156 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: traditional president ever. And I was like, oh, cool, I 157 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: know tradition. I can I that guy got this that 158 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: and and that clearly wasn't the case. And and you know, 159 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: he beats to his own drum and he has his 160 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: own style in his way, and and it's just it 161 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: was it was a learning experience for a lot of us. 162 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: And and like I said, so I I was so 163 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: super proud to have been part of that. And uh, 164 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: but but it's different. And here's the thing, Michael. I've 165 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: identified three things, the people, the process, and the policies. 166 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: And you touched on this at the beginning at the 167 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: beginning of your segment. And what I mean by the 168 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 1: people is, let's have he ex trusted a lot of 169 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: people that they said, oh I want to serve in 170 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: the Trump administration where they were recommended by somebody, and 171 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: so he took their workforce and they weren't people that 172 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: were there for the right necessarily intentions. This time, the 173 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: people that he's front on board, he knows, he trusts, 174 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: they understand the goal at hand, and that's a very 175 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: different dynamic. Okay, So that's number one. Then we go 176 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: to the policies. He knows exactly what he wants to 177 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 1: do and how to do it. He knows what he 178 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: wants to fight for, what he wants to accomplish. And 179 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: the last is the process, which is he knows how 180 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: to do it now not only the levers of government 181 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 1: to pull, but where the resistance is going to come from. Okay, 182 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: and that is important because he sort of if you 183 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: think about it, day one, Tom Holme is doing all 184 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: of these immigration roundups. He knew what cities to go to, 185 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: where to find them. They didn't just think of this 186 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: out of thin air. It wasn't just you know, maybe 187 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: we should go to Boston, maybe we should go to Chicago. 188 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: They knew where to go because they had been spending 189 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: four years plotting and planning exactly what they would do 190 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: if they got back in office. 191 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 2: And you see it. 192 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 3: It is a well executed strategy, brilliant in its in 193 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 3: its plan and flawless in the execution. I also think 194 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 3: that he brought in you were a guy that was 195 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 3: willing to withstand slings and arrows. I think there were 196 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 3: some folks who weren't. They were a little more retiring, 197 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 3: a little more reticent, a little more reserved. Mike Pence 198 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 3: was not really you know, a battle weary partner for him. 199 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 2: He's got guys that really. 200 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 3: Enjoy going into into the fire, you know, jd Vance 201 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 3: and Pete Hegseeth and Toolsey and in each one of 202 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 3: them ready to take on the battle. And I feel 203 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 3: like that allows him, you know, like like a leader, 204 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 3: a president with his generals. It allows him to dissipate 205 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 3: some of that, to spread some of that. Elon takes 206 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 3: a lot of that hatred. And I think that I'd 207 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 3: be curious to know your thoughts, but I think that 208 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 3: has helped him a lot as well. 209 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: Look at the thing that the media gets wrong Michael 210 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: is They keep saying, oh, he's surprouted himself with loyalists. 211 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 2: A dog can be loyal. 212 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: That's not nothing that these people are disruptors. These are 213 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: people who understand the agenda and what the president wants 214 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: to accomplish and are like, great, I got it. So 215 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: whether Paulsey, RFK or Pete hegseth uh, you know Lee 216 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: Delvin at the EPA, these guys are coming in and saying, Okay, 217 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: we got it, we got the mission, We're ready to execute. 218 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: And frankly you're seeing the results. I mentioned Tom Holman, 219 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: another guy who's going in there to do this. But 220 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: there's one thing that I keep warning Republicans on, which is, 221 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: guys that we've now seen. You know, Trump got elected, 222 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: he made a lot of great things happen. He helped 223 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: secure the border, get US energy independent, and what's Biden 224 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: to Biden undoes all of that through executive order. And 225 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: then what is Trump do? He undoes the Biden and 226 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: reinstitutes a lot of stuff, then builds on it. And 227 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: my message to Republicans, especially in the area of immigration, 228 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: is if you like what President Trump is doing, then 229 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: we need to codify law. Because if you look at 230 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,599 Speaker 1: where President Trump has gotten pushback, it's not this resistance 231 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: that we had in the first term. 232 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 2: It's the courts. 233 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: And what are the courts saying. They're saying, well, the 234 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: law is clear that X or not clear that why. 235 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: And so my point to my fellow Republicans is, if 236 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: you like what President Trump did, if you like what 237 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: he accomplished, then don't let another president do it. Codify 238 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: immigration stuff in law. Figure out how many visiness we want, 239 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: how many judges, how many CBP or ice agents we 240 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: want set new limits on making us more of a meritocracy. 241 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: So we figure out what kind of immigration system we want. 242 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: But we keep fudging along and hoping that President Trump's 243 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: going to stay in office forever. It's just not you know, 244 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: as much as we may want that to happen, it's 245 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: not going to happen while we have majority. And this 246 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: is the other point that I try to make to 247 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: Republicans is I would love to believe that we're just 248 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: going to get judged by, you know, putting points on 249 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: the board and delivering for the American people. But we've 250 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: seen what it takes to get legislation passed, and God forbid, 251 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: we lose the House Republican majority, which is you know, 252 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: tenuous at best. We got two more seats last week 253 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: because that's somehow everybody felt like, oh that was great, 254 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's just two more down to We're 255 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: up to a four seat majority. Yay. But if you 256 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: really want to ensure that things are going to happen, 257 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: then use these next eighteen plus months to actually codify 258 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: the Trump agenda, especially in immigration in law. 259 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 3: I agree the long term reforms, I think, and that's 260 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 3: how you bring real change instead of an overnight win. 261 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 2: That's the war, not the battle thing. 262 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 3: We'll continue our conversation with Sean Spicer, former Press secretary 263 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 3: and communications direct in the first trumpets, I don't care 264 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 3: if somebody this restakes you, you can shoots. John Spicer 265 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 3: was Press secretary and communications director under President Trump in 266 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 3: the early days, the tough days, the time when UH 267 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 3: general's loyal to the president were being entrapped by the FBI, 268 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 3: at a time when Jim Comey was working very hard 269 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 3: to try to put Donald Trump in prison, at a 270 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 3: time when the security in deep state apparatus was working 271 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 3: against the president and doing things that are unspeakable. He 272 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 3: has some memories, shall we say, he's our guests. Let's 273 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 3: talk about the border. Obviously, something that y'all worked on 274 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 3: very hard. I have been, I must admit, I have 275 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 3: been delighted and at the same time surprised at the 276 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 3: the effectiveness and the swiftness with which this thing has 277 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 3: happened and how successful it has been. 278 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: Your thoughts, Yeah, I mean there's two things. 279 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 2: Just one. 280 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: It proved to me that if you focus on something anything, 281 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: it's not necessarily easy, but you can get results. Right. So, 282 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: I mean, whether you trying to get in shape or 283 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: sell something or in this. 284 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 2: Case secure of the border. 285 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: What happened under Biden is they allow they made the 286 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: border open. People came in. They gave incentives to people 287 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: to come. I tell this story all the time. I 288 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 1: got a buddy of mine that does a lot of 289 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: federal contracting with the State Department. And in the Trump 290 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: first term, they had assigned throughout America that said, you 291 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: know the borders, clothes, don't come. When Biden came into office, 292 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: they changed the billboards and it said need help, here's 293 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: the phone number. Right. They literally it was a magnet 294 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: to come into this country. Kamala Harris might have told 295 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: people don't, but the reality is that if you're told, 296 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: if you do, though, we're gonna give you a hotel room, 297 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: a gift card, free phones, etc. You're gonna come. They 298 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: understood they wouldn't get kicked out, they wouldn't be stopped, 299 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: and so they came. President Trump changed that in a heartbeat, 300 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: and you know, Tom Holman and everyone's rounding people up, 301 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: making it clear that this is a priority of this president. 302 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: But you know, it just showed you how much we 303 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: were gas lit by the Biden administration, right, who told us, oh, 304 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 1: we can't do anything, there's nothing wrong, there's no criminals here. Well, 305 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: if there were no criminals here, how did President Trump 306 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: just round up all those Trendady Dagua people and the 307 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: NS thirteen gangbaggers, Because you know, under the Biden administration, 308 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: they told us our border was secure, nothing was wrong, 309 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: and it was clearly a lie. 310 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 3: It's it's quite interesting. Sean Spicer is our guess. He 311 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 3: was the first Press secretary of Communications director for President Trump. 312 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 3: Let me pull back for our moment on Trump. Let's 313 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 3: talk about Sean Spiccer. How has life changed for you? 314 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 3: What does what does life look like for you today? 315 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 2: That's a great question. 316 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: So when I walked into the White House, I'd been 317 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: the community cation structor and the chief strategies for the 318 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: Republican National Committee for six years. I've been around Washington 319 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 1: working for members of Congress. I'd just come actually off 320 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: on active duty deployment. Uh so, I you know, I 321 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: was just your typical staffer and then walked in the 322 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: Trump White House and got thrown, you know, into the 323 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: deep end real quick. And it was a challenging yet 324 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: honorific opportunity to serve the country and to President Trump 325 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: and then look, it was funny afterwards I did stuff 326 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: that I mean, I have had some pretty cool moments 327 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: since I left the White House. I still stay in 328 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: touch with President Trump. As I mentioned, I talked to 329 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: one in the Fund the other day. He appointed me 330 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: to the Naval Academy Board of Visitors. You know, I've 331 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,239 Speaker 1: got two shows. The Shawn Spicer Show, airs every night 332 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: six pm Eastern on YouTube. So I'm doing stuff, Michael, 333 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: for the first time. I was always somebody else's spokesman, 334 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: and now I get to talk about what I think 335 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: and why I think things need to get downe on 336 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: what the priorities. I've written four books, you know, I 337 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: may announce a fifth one soon. It's been fun to 338 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: do something when you when you're My whole life professionally 339 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: was focused on you know, even in the military as 340 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: a public affairs officer, right, and I've always spoken for 341 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: other people and entities, and when you leave and get 342 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 1: the opportunity to, you know, launch shows. I have a 343 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: show every morning, a live show on my YouTube channel 344 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: called The Morning Meeting, where we talk about the issues 345 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 1: of the day. And it's fun to be able to 346 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: give people my opinion, my thought, my insights from thirty 347 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: years of politics, and that's a very different place than 348 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: I've ever been. 349 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 3: But I got to imagine with all of that and 350 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 3: enjoying a little more, you know, taking an extra thirty 351 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 3: minutes onto your cup of coffee, or making one more 352 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 3: lap on your morning walk if you so choose, or 353 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 3: sleeping in on occasion if you want. I gotta imagine 354 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 3: for guys like you, having been in it myself, you 355 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 3: have to miss the adrenaline. It's a drug, and I 356 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 3: know there are days that you are missing that and 357 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 3: wishing you were in there in the battle. 358 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: You know, what's the funny thing about you saying that? One? 359 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 1: I used to when I left Capitol Hill and went 360 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: to different places, I would always say I always I 361 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: think that I found it like, I don't know if 362 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,719 Speaker 1: it's because I have kids now they're teenagers. It's like, 363 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: I think my priorities are a little bit different, having 364 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: to want to spend time. And I know it's always 365 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: like this cliche Washington thing. I love it, don't get 366 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 1: me wrong. I will never I'm so honored that President 367 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: Trump had me serves as the White House pres Secretary 368 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 1: but now when I get to do stuff like I 369 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: wake up, Like I said, I have the show every 370 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: morning it's live for an hour on YouTube where I 371 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: walk through with Mark Alper and a guy named Dan 372 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: Turntine that we call it the Morning Meeting. It's very 373 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: it's just continues to grow in popularity. Then I do 374 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: my show that airs at six o'clock on YouTube, And 375 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: like I said, I do a lot of writing. I 376 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: write commps, so I don't It's almost like I've kind 377 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: of pivoted my my love for politics into into different ways. 378 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: So now I can actually openly opine about what I 379 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: like to do and what I like to say. And 380 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: so I'm fired up. I get your point. Like I 381 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: if ten it was a ten year Yeah, ten years ago, 382 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: I wouldn't know what to do. I used to work 383 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: crazy hours at the RNC, and I have people tell 384 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: me all the time, you know, wow, you work crazy 385 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: hours and how do you ever find time? And it's 386 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: because I love it. I love politics, I love the 387 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: back and forth. I love you know that no day 388 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: is ever the same. That I had a great team 389 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: to work with. I mean, but there's something about like 390 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: the last few years where I've enjoyed, like getting to 391 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: do things like I've had the I've had the I 392 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: was on a reality shows you might recall the stars. 393 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 2: I did a back movie. 394 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: There's stuff that is a kid from Rhode Island that 395 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: my dad sold votes for a living. And to be like, 396 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: I can't believe I opened the Emmys for goodness sake 397 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen. 398 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 2: You seem to do having fun. 399 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 3: I mean, and yeah, you survived because as you know, 400 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 3: a lot of guys don't walk away from this thing 401 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 3: able to hold their head up. A lot of guys, 402 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 3: it chews you up and spits you out. Let me 403 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 3: ask you. You said it's about people, But do. 404 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: You know why though? Here here's why though, because I honestly, 405 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 1: I don't mean to sound like I'm not the best 406 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: at a lot of things, but I have my priorities straight. 407 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: And when the opportunity came to get an off ramp, 408 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: and I said this to the President because he had 409 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: been very gracious he wanted me to stay in the 410 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: White House. I was communications director and White House pres secretary. 411 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: And I said it was the President, you need you 412 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 1: need a fresh start, and and I knew that that 413 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: was my offering I honestly believe that God had said 414 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: to me, Sean, I'm telling you right now, like this 415 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: is this is our off ramp, and and and and 416 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: I knew if I stayed longer, it wouldn't And and 417 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: like I said, here we are eight years later. I 418 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: call him, he calls me. He was kind enough to 419 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: reappoint me to the Naval Academy Board. He's endorsed all 420 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: four of the books that I've written. He literally voted 421 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: for me on a reality television show when he was 422 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: President United. Say that is a guy who you know, 423 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: he's had my back, and and and I just it 424 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: is so to your point, Like part of the thing 425 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: is that I feel like I knew when a lot 426 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: of people in Washington can't walk away from power. And 427 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: I knew the second the day that I said that 428 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: I was stepping down, that that was going to change forever. 429 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: I would it would never be the same again. But 430 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: I also knew that if I stayed, it wouldn't be 431 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: the same, and it was not going to go. 432 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 2: It's me of the world as we know it. Michael 433 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 2: Barry Hugh Ends of the World. 434 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:44,239 Speaker 3: John Spicer is our guest. Sean, you know, when I 435 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 3: assess what the president's been able to do. 436 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: It's it's in a sort of. 437 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 3: Nixon's first term Imperial presidency sort of manner. And and 438 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,719 Speaker 3: because he has the House and the Senate, both of 439 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 3: them with a tenuous, delicate, dangling majority that could change, 440 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 3: and a lot of folks that if they have the chance, 441 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 3: would stab him in the back, but right now have 442 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,959 Speaker 3: to play along. It concerns me because if things have 443 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 3: to go through the House or the Senate, we've had 444 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 3: We've had pretty good luck so far. But it does 445 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 3: concern me. What concerns you the most for the continued 446 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 3: success of this president in this country, which I know 447 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 3: you care so deeply about. 448 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 2: Is it the tariffs? Is it? Is it the financial folks? 449 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 2: Is it Chinese intervention? 450 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 3: What are the things that you see on the horizon 451 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 3: and you say, let's just keep an eye on that. 452 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: Well, I think the greatest threat we face is from China. 453 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: And I think that if we don't like I think 454 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: President Trump needs him majority. We watched this for this 455 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 1: first term when he lost the House majority, they spend 456 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: all their time in teaching him, obstructing him, and attacking him. 457 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: And so I think that people have to understand he 458 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: needs to be able to have the runway. As I 459 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: mentioned to you a moment ago, like not just to like. 460 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: I love what he's doing now, the tax cuts, getting 461 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 1: the border focused, but if we don't codify some of 462 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: these things in legislation before, you know, and maintain a 463 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: House and Senate majority, I feel good about the Senate, 464 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: less so about you know, so anyway, I actually worry 465 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: that if he doesn't keep the majority, it's the it 466 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: stunts the uh, the progress that we've made. 467 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 2: No doubt. 468 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 3: And and you know, it happened so fast that the 469 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 3: momentum he with which he started and as you said, 470 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 3: it was it was having a plan that you execute. 471 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 3: You know, you have kids. I don't know if you've 472 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 3: been to youth sports, but I've coached youth sports. And 473 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 3: when the other team is better than your team and 474 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 3: you show up on the first day and you go, oh, 475 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 3: those kids, they've been playing together for years. 476 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 2: And I got a bunch of kids. 477 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 3: In their first year and you know, oh, well, we 478 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 3: came to the battle and got whipped. He did that 479 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 3: to them, and it was a blitzkreag. He came in 480 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 3: and he just rolled over them. And now I worry. 481 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 3: You know, we've got to keep that momentum going. And 482 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 3: that's my concern. And I know you've been in that 483 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 3: room where you talk about how to jump start that momentum, 484 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 3: get it going again. 485 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And that's the key is that stay focused. 486 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: And I think the president has a focus. You know 487 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: that he didn't And again it's not that he didn't, 488 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: it's not. I don't feel like this is a slight 489 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: to say, but I think he is so much more 490 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: driven now. Four years out of office has given him 491 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: such different perspective about how to get the job done. 492 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never seen anything quite like this. 493 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we had We've had very few 494 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 3: presidencies separated in this way. 495 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: And I think once you're in the White House, you 496 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 2: don't get better. 497 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 3: We've seen a decline in presidents in the in the 498 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 3: second term and you're just fending off. 499 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 2: But it's like those years in Siberia. 500 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 3: It's much like when Nixon leaves the vice presidency in 501 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 3: sixty and loses the governor's race in California in sixty two, 502 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 3: and from sixty two to sixty eight, he got better 503 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 3: and he got stronger, and he understood his support and 504 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 3: he understood where his voters were. 505 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 2: And I think those four years, oddly enough, even though being. 506 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 3: Dragged to court, I think Trump did some very deep 507 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 3: thinking and I think he sought some good input. Oh 508 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 3: and he's a different man today, and he's a better 509 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 3: leader because of He's more effective for sure. 510 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, no question about it, No question about it. And 511 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: so I think the time away, the assassination attempts were 512 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: all critical in not thinking. 513 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 3: When you look at the American public's reaction to Trump, 514 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 3: you know, when y'all came in, he was still a 515 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 3: shock in all guy. People were still sort of frightened 516 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 3: of him. I think people have come to understand, hey, 517 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 3: he can say something, he can threaten something, he can 518 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 3: promise something, he can insult somebody from being fat, it's 519 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 3: gonna be okay. Is it interesting or what's your reaction 520 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 3: to how America has learned to process Trump and understand 521 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 3: that's just who he is. 522 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: Well, this goes to the point you are making. I 523 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: think one of the things we've only had at one 524 00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: time previously in history is that when you're able to 525 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: contrast like so normally, you know, president gets two consecutive 526 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: terms and you know, maybe you have some you know, 527 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: you go, gosh, I wish we had them back or whatever. 528 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: But Trump, when he ran against Biden, they contrasted their policies. 529 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: You know, Biden got into office and then when Trump 530 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: came in back and off it where Trump was running again. 531 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: I think people said, Okay, maybe we didn't like some 532 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: of the style thing, but we really saw the difference 533 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: in policies between Trump and Biden, and we need them back. 534 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: And that was what I think was critically different, is 535 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: that the American people had a contrast that was so different. 536 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: So I was excited. I think it's it can't be 537 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: overstated how impactful it is. Having four years between was yeah. 538 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 3: And but what's amazing is, you know, unlike Reagan, who 539 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 3: comes onto the scene seventy six, Ford holds onto the 540 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 3: nomination in eighty. He comes back stronger, but he spends 541 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 3: those four years in relative peace and quiet and meetings 542 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 3: and this sort of thing. 543 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 2: Those weren't four quiet years. 544 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 3: I mean, those were four tough years of being dragged 545 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,239 Speaker 3: at court and insulted and threatened. And yet all the 546 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,719 Speaker 3: while he was he was reloading. And I think that 547 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 3: I've never seen anything like this it's a it's a 548 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 3: juggernaut the likes of which I've never seen. You've been 549 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 3: around politics, you know, at the highest levels, but I've 550 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 3: never seen a candidate like this, and I don't see 551 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 3: a candidate in the offing like this. Let me ask 552 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 3: you this, do you think the president is able to 553 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 3: hold his coalition through the entirety of his president and presidency? 554 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 2: Obviously the midterms are going to be important. 555 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 3: Who out there worries you as a break in in 556 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 3: the facade or breaking in the the consensus? 557 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: Well, I don't think any. I mean, look, I think 558 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: it's it's rock solid. You've seen some of these folks. 559 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: We didn't have that case in the Trump flavor. The 560 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: Freedom Caucus when we're trying to repeal healthcare was was 561 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: Trump's biggest opponent. And so now having like you watch 562 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: just this budget resolution that passed, you know, the Freedom Caucuss, Andy, 563 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: Andy Harris and Chip Roy Texas all you know eventually 564 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: came on board. That was huge. 565 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I what I see is that there his 566 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 3: support is so deep and so committed and so zealous 567 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 3: that you can't just oppose him if you are a 568 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 3: Republican without being punished for it. 569 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 2: His support says. 570 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 3: Hey, I got it, bossy, you got your high minded position, 571 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 3: but we're going to punish you. And I think they've 572 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 3: learned from that and that that's a real impressive way 573 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 3: to govern. It's a consensus government. 574 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: Well, but see, it's not just the person. Back when 575 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: I was on the hill for a while in the 576 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: early two thousands, Tom Delay with the majority whip, and 577 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: people knew not to cross Tom because you know he 578 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: would exact political revenge. Donald Trump, it's not even that. 579 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: I think people understand the movement will get you. It's 580 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: not Donald Trump. People will will you know, your your 581 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: constituents will come after you. And that's that's I think 582 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:00,239 Speaker 1: the big differen right. 583 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never seen at any level of government an 584 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 3: officeholder or candidate whose supporters are so willing to go 585 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,719 Speaker 3: to bat for him. And you know, I've seen that 586 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 3: with foreign leaders, but certainly none. And his is such 587 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 3: a deep committed relationship and he knows it and he 588 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 3: puts it to good use. 589 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 2: John Spicer, you are the best. You're welcome back anytime. 590 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 2: Thank you, my man, Thank you appreciate it. Take care 591 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 2: of me, he gentleman. 592 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: Elvis has let for Ji, thank you, and good night.