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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Governor Pritzker says, in any other country,

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Speaker 1: if federal agents fired upon journalists and protesters when unprovoked,

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Speaker 1: what would we call it? If federal agents march down

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Speaker 1: busy streets, harassing civilians and demanding their papers, what would

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Speaker 1: we say? I don't think we'd have any trouble calling

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Speaker 1: it what it is, authoritarianism. We have such a great

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Speaker 1: show for you today, The Majority Report, Sam Cedar stops

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Speaker 1: by to talk all things government Shutdown. Then we'll talk

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Speaker 1: to the CEO of the Onion, Ben Collins, about how

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Speaker 1: Trump's retribution shut down his new mockumentary Jeffrey Epstein Bad Pedophile.

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Speaker 1: But first the news.

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Speaker 2: So Moley, the grift is coming from inside the house.

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Speaker 2: A camera woman captured Scott Besen texting exposing the mystery

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Speaker 2: we've all been wondered about. Why the fuck are we

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Speaker 2: giving Argentina all this money?

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Speaker 1: Why are we giving Argentina all this money?

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Speaker 2: I think you should read what it's set it in

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Speaker 2: the little text message from the Agriculture Sky Secretary.

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Speaker 1: So here's the text message She's worried China has outmaneuvered

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Speaker 1: the US by buying up Argentine soybeans at the expense

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Speaker 1: of our farmers, even as the administration plans to bail

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Speaker 1: out Argentina with billions of dollars. What's nice about this

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Speaker 1: administration is that everything is so stupid.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So Secretary of Agriculture Brooke Rowins was texting and

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Speaker 2: basically saying, this is a real bad, bad, bad idea

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Speaker 1: Yes, and you'll be shocked to hear, but she's right.

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Speaker 1: She is very much right, very very much right. Look

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Speaker 1: how Scott Bessant got photographed, How this text got for

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's just so much stupid to unpack here

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Speaker 1: Scott betch than texting photographs of it. I mean, just

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Speaker 1: all bad and nutty. And also why and again, why

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Speaker 1: are we bailing out Argentina? Why someone explained to me

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Speaker 1: why we're bailing at Argentina.

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Speaker 2: Because what we've voted for was for these people to

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Speaker 2: be grifting as much as they would like. It's the

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Speaker 2: freedom to grift, is administration.

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Speaker 1: The freedom to grift, that is correct. So there we

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Speaker 1: are Donald Trump grifting away because he loves freedom, and

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Speaker 1: in this case, the freedom to grift Somalia.

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Speaker 2: You've explained to listeners before that I have this rule

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Speaker 2: that I don't like to talk about things that are

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Speaker 2: coming up when there's so much things to analyze that

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Speaker 2: have happened. But I've been waiting, like it's Christmas morning

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Speaker 2: for mister Trump and Pete Hegsath to address our military leaders.

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Speaker 3: Today. It was Christmas of stupid. I got Cole.

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Speaker 1: All of these top military leaders from around the world,

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Speaker 1: from places like Taiwan, you know, wherever they were stationed.

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Speaker 1: Pete hegg Seth brought everyone back to Quantico, Virginia, and

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Speaker 1: he made this speech that covered a lot of stupid,

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Speaker 1: preparing for war and preparing to win, unrelenting and uncompromising

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Speaker 1: in that pursuit. Not because we want war, No one

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Speaker 1: here wants war, but because we love peace. Like real

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four stuff, Got a war so that you

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Speaker 1: can have peace. Got his strength so you can be weak.

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Speaker 3: Don't forget the war on woke, Molly.

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Speaker 1: He spent a lot of time complaining about woke. He

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Speaker 1: spent a lot of time complaining about people being fat.

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Speaker 3: Ironically, there was somebody there on stage with him.

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Speaker 1: He cursed well, and then Donald Trump got up there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what I think is interesting is like, clearly

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Speaker 1: hag Seth wanted to make a political speech. Remember there

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Speaker 1: is a low key succession war going on behind the scenes,

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Speaker 1: and it's like RFK Junior versus Pete hegg Seth versus JD.

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Speaker 1: Van's Like, this is happening because as you know, the

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Speaker 1: more exhausted Donald Trump is as he reads the teleprompter,

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Speaker 1: the more that that crew is all fighting behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: So super interesting to watch heg sas decide that he's

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Speaker 1: going to get this speech and then Donald Trump to

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Speaker 1: come in and be like, and I'm speaking too, because

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Speaker 1: remember that was never the plan until pretty recently.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but what has been the plan for quite a

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Speaker 2: while is this deploying military members to train in the

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Speaker 2: streets thing. I think this is the more worrisome statement,

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Speaker 2: even if it was poorly worded or something that gets

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean, this is this thing of trying to

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Speaker 1: get the troops in cities. It's not good. It breaks

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Speaker 1: the law that passe Commentita's Act says that you can't

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Speaker 4: It's all bad.

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Speaker 1: It's all bad, it's all scary, it's all worrying, it's

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Speaker 1: all not what we do in this country, Somali.

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Speaker 2: We had a lot of fun drops from the Epstein

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Speaker 1: Three different ones, and soon we're going to have the

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Speaker 1: great Jason Leopold on to talk about all of this

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Speaker 1: that they are dropping. There is a ton of information

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Speaker 1: about Epstein. And what's interesting to me is you have

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Speaker 1: the House Oversight Committee that has been really well run

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Speaker 1: by the Great Robert Garcia, friend of the show, friend

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Speaker 1: of mine also, who's done a really good job being

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Speaker 1: out there getting the information. He got, the birthday book

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Speaker 1: You Know what's interesting is sometimes when Democrats are doing

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Speaker 1: But Robert Garcia is the head of Oversight and he

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Speaker 1: Jerry Connolly was not the right person for the job.

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Speaker 1: So now there is a new candidate that has won

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Speaker 1: in Arizona. Her father was the member of Congress before

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Speaker 1: he died. She has run, she has won. Her name

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Speaker 1: is Adelita Grihava. She's a Democrat from Arizona. She will

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Speaker 1: be the two hundred and eighteen signature on the Epstein

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Speaker 1: Files discharge petition once she's sworn in. You know who

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Speaker 1: doesn't want to swear her in? Mike Johnson. Mike Johnson

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Speaker 1: doesn't want to swear in because Mike Johnson doesn't want

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Speaker 1: to release the Epstein files. And Representative Catherine Clark, also

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Speaker 1: She's going to come out swinging, which I think is

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Speaker 1: really the right thing in this Any delay in swearing

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Speaker 1: calls into question if the motives behind the delay is

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Speaker 1: to further upoid the release of the Epstein files, which

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Speaker 1: why else would why else would Mike Johnson do this?

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Speaker 1: Why else? What would the other reason he would do

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Speaker 2: There's no other reason Aside from that, they play dirty,

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Speaker 2: which is what I wish there would be even a

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Speaker 2: little bit of effort on Hakeeman Schumer's side would be

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Speaker 2: just give me twenty five percent of the energy that

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Speaker 3: Please.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's good that she was out there, and

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Speaker 1: it's good that she was talking about it, and it

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Speaker 1: is for sure, for sure the right thing. But yes,

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Speaker 1: that is true. Sam Cedar is the host of The

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Speaker 1: Majority Report. Sam Cedar, Welcome to Fast.

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Speaker 5: Politics, Molly, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Governments get a shut down. Everything's going great.

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Speaker 5: I am of the opinion that the government has been

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Speaker 5: more or less inoperative for months, short of its fascist

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Speaker 5: wing that they have deployed to Chicago, in LA and

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Speaker 5: the city coming to you Tennessee.

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Speaker 6: You know, look, there's been.

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Speaker 5: A lot of ice activity in New York as well,

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Speaker 5: in the Bronx and bedsty and we're just going to

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Speaker 5: get more of that. But in the meantime the other

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Speaker 5: government functions. In fact, this week there's one hundred and

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Speaker 5: fifty four thousand government employees who took the buyout, which

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Speaker 5: is the highest number I think ever on record for

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Speaker 5: a year. They have not been working for months. We've

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Speaker 5: been paying them, they've not been working for months. I mean,

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Speaker 5: so government shutdowns are bad as a political matter. I

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Speaker 5: what is happening in a way that they haven't been

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Speaker 5: aware until now. And part of that is a failure

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Speaker 5: of political leadership from the Democrats too, in my estimation,

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Speaker 1: Should say, yeah, you know, like I spend a lot

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Speaker 1: of time thinking about how different it was in twenty

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think that feeling is also a

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Speaker 5: I mean I had conversations I remember, explicitly, you know,

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Speaker 5: not surprised at all, this is exactly who we are.

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Speaker 5: But yes, I think that there was a much bigger

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Speaker 5: that would would be more expedient, and then I would

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Speaker 5: say there was far greater unity now the Republican Party,

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Speaker 6: And they were in Bolden.

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Speaker 5: Because they were let back in. So all those things

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Speaker 1: Though it's all slightly better but still not well.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I mean slightly better. I mean, I think these

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Speaker 5: the dissatisfaction with Democrats between the dissatisfaction Democrats in twenty

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are a number of really bad things

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Speaker 1: also a sort of tea party movement in the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 5: seeing now is the tide is turning and it's going

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Speaker 1: My mind, Graham Platner, and if Mills jumps in at Mills.

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Speaker 1: Do you think she jumps in, because my sense is

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Speaker 1: that at seventy nine, running for the Senate is kind

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Speaker 1: of I mean, she said she doesn't want to.

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Speaker 1: It's repeating a mistake the party has recently made. There

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Speaker 5: I think they should have done this. In March, Donald

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Speaker 1: It didn't work in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 5: It did not work in twenty twenty four, not at all.

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump is completely lying about you. The JD Vance

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Speaker 5: You and I know that has nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: The story about how you either run as populous or

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Speaker 5: Corporations are people too. Mark Cuban's coming in as a

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Speaker 5: spokesperson say we're gonna get rid of this anti trust stuff,

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Speaker 5: but they had no sort of like movement behind it.

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Speaker 5: And simultaneously, Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson were compiling essays

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Speaker 5: that they'd written over the years, some of which, as

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Speaker 5: her clients, were largely about local housing regulations to build

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Speaker 5: more housing. Derek's were He had a big piece about

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Speaker 5: why grants weren't given to scientists.

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Speaker 6: And they needed to stitch it together.

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Speaker 5: And if you've read the book, which I have, the

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Speaker 5: idea that the anti tax movement that spurred that inhibited

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Speaker 5: government research can be tied together with local housing projects

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Speaker 5: or environmental policies that inhibited growth supposedly is a big stretch,

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Speaker 5: but they needed to do it for the book, and

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Speaker 5: I think they thought like, Okay, this is going to

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Speaker 5: be sort of like, you know, biting around the margins

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Speaker 5: of a second Biden term. But Harris came in. It

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Speaker 5: gave an opportunity for these people to come in and

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Speaker 5: maybe get a hold of this administration. The tech people

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Speaker 5: wanted to promote the book. They put one hundred and

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Speaker 5: twenty million dollars behind an abundance thing. You can google it.

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Speaker 5: They decided to do it. I think it was like

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Speaker 5: under the abundance rubric, and I think it became an

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Speaker 5: attempt to create a counter movement. But there's no constituency

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Speaker 5: for this movement. And the idea that like we need

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Speaker 5: to get rid of housing regulations for public housing that

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Speaker 5: is too precious about asthma, you know, filters when housing

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Speaker 5: is built near a highway to you know, prevent asthma.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sure there are housing regulations in San

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Speaker 5: Francisco that could use reform, But to make this a

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Speaker 5: broad movement, that's been the only sort of pushback, and

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Speaker 5: it's unclear, you know. And Ezra just I think got

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Speaker 5: sort of taken apart a little bit by Todd and

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Speaker 5: Hasey Coats this week about saying that we should have

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Speaker 5: candidates that are anti abortion, which is also sort of

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Speaker 5: like a retread, like you can start with progressive populism,

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Speaker 5: you know, some type of economic populism, and then within

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Speaker 5: the context of like more red conservatively socialized states, you

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Speaker 5: can allow for some latitude for these people, but there

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Speaker 5: needs to be a fundamental why does the Democratic Party exist?

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Speaker 5: The only space for them to do that, it seems

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Speaker 5: to me, is to follow like an FDR for freedoms

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Speaker 5: type of variant, which is, you know, people should have

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Speaker 5: the freedom to live their lives without fear of a

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Speaker 5: health crisis bankrupting them. And people should be able to

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Speaker 5: support themselves with a high, you know, quality job and

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Speaker 5: not feel like captured by their employers. And we should

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Speaker 5: not have huge amounts of concentrated wealth, which breeds concentrated power.

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Speaker 5: We've seen this, like we just saw four people basically

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Speaker 5: financed Donald Trump's campaign.

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Speaker 6: So I don't know what the opposite.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what the alternative is to an economic populism,

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Speaker 5: but it is really things are not going to go

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Speaker 5: back to the way they were. Donald Trump has already

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Speaker 5: eviscerated huge swaths of our government functions, and we're going

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Speaker 5: to have to have a fundamental change in our politics,

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Speaker 5: both as a political matter to get elected in.

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Speaker 6: My opinion, and as a.

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Speaker 5: Policy matter slash political matter to get re elected. There's

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Speaker 5: going to have to there's going to have to be

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Speaker 5: real delivering of an economic justice essentially where the other

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Speaker 5: eighty percent of the country gets to participate in what

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Speaker 5: the twenty percent is participating.

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Speaker 1: In now, Sam Cedar, thank you, Thank.

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Speaker 5: You, Molly.

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Speaker 1: Ben Collins is the editor of The Onion and their

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Speaker 1: new movie Jeffrey Epstein Bad Pedophile, is out on October third.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics, Ben Collins.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me, Molly. It's been a very

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Speaker 4: nice time since the last seen him.

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Speaker 8: Thanks.

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Speaker 1: Thanks.

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Speaker 4: Have gotten progressively better in America since I last seenis hurtainly?

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Speaker 1: Is that true? I don't think that is true. That's

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Speaker 1: that patented onion sarcasm. So you're on to talk about something,

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Speaker 1: but I want, you know, first explain to us what

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Speaker 1: you do and how you do it, because I think

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Speaker 1: our listener's going to be super psyched. So tell us

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Speaker 1: what you do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna see you of the Onion. I make

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Speaker 4: sure The Onion still exists, which is a very difficult

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Speaker 4: task considering what it is. We try to find the

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Speaker 4: sentence that kind of everybody's thinking about on a day

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Speaker 4: day basis but can't say out loud for either because

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Speaker 4: they're afraid to say it or because they don't have

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Speaker 4: the vocabulary for it. Certainly there's a lot of people

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Speaker 4: afraid to say it right now, so like business is

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Speaker 4: booming to that effect. We're very proud to expand into

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Speaker 4: a different realm this week, and I will talk to

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Speaker 4: you about that if possible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean it is very cool that you

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Speaker 1: guys save The Onion from bankruptcy, created this amazing thing

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Speaker 1: that now millions of people read right, millions of people.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, The Onion in terms of scope and scale is

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Speaker 4: larger than it's ever been. We have we're growing one

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Speaker 4: hundred percent something year over year in terms of social

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Speaker 4: media perssons and stuff. And now we have a physical

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Speaker 4: newspaper again that fifty seven thousand people get mail.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm fucking believable someone who all I want

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Speaker 1: is for there to be a real, like thriving media.

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Speaker 1: This is pretty amazing. But now not just satisfied with

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Speaker 1: being one of the very few media outlets that is

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Speaker 1: still alive, you guys have branched out, so talk to

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Speaker 1: me about this.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: This week we are releasing a documentary called Jeffrey Epstein,

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Speaker 4: Bad Pedophile tell us More. Yeah, I personally don't think

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Speaker 4: he's good Jeffrey Epstein, but some people can disagree. Wala,

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Speaker 4: do you want to go on a limb here?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 4: Okay, good, I think.

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Speaker 1: Now tell us why you decided to make this movie.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So there's a big hairy deal about this whole

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Speaker 4: thing and how it came about and why it's in

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Speaker 4: weird independent theaters all throughout the country right now. So

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Speaker 4: about now, about eight weeks ago, the staff was sitting

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Speaker 4: around and they were talking about how they wanted to

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Speaker 4: something weird and big, big and different about Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 4: This is around the time that Trump started having super

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Speaker 4: dodgy about it and like start realize that there's something

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Speaker 4: going on there. There was that probably wasn't gonna go away.

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Speaker 4: So we do let to turn a screw here at

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Speaker 4: the onion when we see the opportunity and this to

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Speaker 4: do it. What we decided to do was put O

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Speaker 4: and n our wonderful flagship YouTube series Union News Network

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Speaker 4: on Hiatus fer Met and have him go whole hog

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Speaker 4: on one specific topic, which is Jeffrey Epstein. So within

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Speaker 4: a couple of days they came up with a script

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Speaker 4: that was unbelievable, incredibly funny, and we're like, just go

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Speaker 4: at it. Do what you gotta do by whatever you

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Speaker 4: got to buy, they bought, I believe. I remember most alarming.

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Speaker 4: One day I walked in and there was a chainsaw

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Speaker 4: with fake blood all over it. So that's the kind

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Speaker 4: of thing that is in this that is in this documentary.

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Speaker 4: So it's really good, it's really funny, and anyone we

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Speaker 4: showed it to I was like, what can we do?

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Speaker 5: How can we help?

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Speaker 4: So we had a national theater chain that was about

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Speaker 4: to air this all throughout the country on October second,

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Speaker 4: which is Thursday, and then Charlie Kirkott shot, which is

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Speaker 4: horrible and a horrific thing to happen. But the immediate

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Speaker 4: reaction of that distributor was, oh, is Donald Trump in this?

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Speaker 4: And by the way, I never actually the pr team

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Speaker 4: around that theater never actually watched the movie. They just asked,

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Speaker 4: is Donald Trump in it? And we're like, yeah, Donald

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Speaker 4: Trumps in it. But I can't explain this to you.

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Speaker 4: He's in the nineteen ninety five Chicago Bulls in this movie.

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Speaker 4: I can't explain The studio wait, what, yeah, I know

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Speaker 4: you'll see and they said, okay, well we're pulling it.

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Speaker 4: So they pulled the distribution for this thing. So we

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Speaker 4: went from having national distribution for this movie to none

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Speaker 4: because Jeffrey Epstein is friends with Donald Trump, who was

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Speaker 4: friends with Charlie Kirk. And I just think if we're

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Speaker 4: in a situation in this country where if you can't

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Speaker 4: make fun of the world's biggest pedophile because he was

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Speaker 4: friends with a guy who was friends with the guy,

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Speaker 4: then we have gone further off the deep band in

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Speaker 4: terms of speech problems. Then you would anticipate then the

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Speaker 4: Jimmy Kimmel stuff happened as well, like that was this

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Speaker 4: is all precursor to that. Nowhere near that level. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: nobody made a phone call from the FCC to be like,

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Speaker 4: don't air this thing. We still decided, like, you know what,

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Speaker 4: We're not gonna can this thing. We're gonna get back

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Speaker 4: on the horse. And we called every independent theater we knew,

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Speaker 4: and within a few days and we told people, if

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Speaker 4: you want to air this thing in your theater, you

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Speaker 4: can just have it for free. And within a few

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Speaker 4: days we were in I think we're now up to

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Speaker 4: like thirty or forty, maybe fifty, I don't know how many,

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Speaker 4: but we're in many more theaters than we were before,

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Speaker 4: and independent theaters all throughout the country are airing this

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Speaker 4: thing on Thursday night. Most of them are sold outs.

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Speaker 4: We're airing this one from like Droplin, Missouri, to Prince

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Speaker 4: Edward Island, you know, to Manhattan and LA and in Chicago.

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Speaker 4: It's an event, and I'm very proud of everybody for

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Speaker 4: stepping up, Like indie theaters, indie media throughout the world

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Speaker 4: right now is stepping up when everybody else is really failing.

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Speaker 1: So why do you think that satire matters? Because we've seen,

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Speaker 1: like we're in this moment where there's been you know,

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Speaker 1: basically a takeover of everything in a way that is

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Speaker 1: kind of shocking. Kimmel was I think meaningful because it

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Speaker 1: showed that people don't want their their freedom of expression

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Speaker 1: taken away, you know. But there are very few sort

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Speaker 1: of lights in the darkness, and I'm thinking about like

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Speaker 1: South Park is another one. Why do you think this

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Speaker 1: this is happening? And why do you think that you're surviving?

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Speaker 4: First of all, I think it's happening because of a

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Speaker 4: bunch of billionaires decided it needed to happen. The guy

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Speaker 4: who just took over the did the whole CBS takeover

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Speaker 4: the Ellison family, which just took over CBS fired Stephen

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Speaker 4: Colbert is going to replace it with Barry Weis's fun

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Speaker 4: little anti woke situation. It is also attempting to buy

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Speaker 4: Warner Brothers and is buying TikTok right, one guy.

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Speaker 1: The richest guy in the world for the second richest

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Speaker 1: guy in the world.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Ellison family, they're all friends and family with

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump. Right. They also own Oracle, which drives and

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Speaker 4: funnels a lot of money to a lot of people

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Speaker 4: in the tech world on the software as a service

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Speaker 4: and business and business side. There so one side, and

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Speaker 4: then you've you know, obviously of the Murdocks. The Murdocks

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Speaker 4: and the are now going to be the second largest

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Speaker 4: far rights owners of major media companies. There's really not

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Speaker 4: be on the other side, and the people could be

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Speaker 4: on the other side are just making deals because we're

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Speaker 4: in it, by the way, separately, by the way, we

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Speaker 4: are in an AI bubble. And this is like YouTube yesterday.

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Speaker 4: YouTube kind of deal instead of fighting a very easy

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Speaker 4: to win lawsuit with the with the administration, they kind

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Speaker 4: of deal because they're going to need to be in

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Speaker 4: line when the AI bailouts happen in a few months.

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Speaker 4: Maybe you know, if we're lucky, maybe a few years

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Speaker 4: so because the AI bubble is holding up the United

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Speaker 4: States colomy present. So this moment, yeah, all of these things,

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Speaker 4: you know, this is all out in the open. These

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Speaker 4: this is always George Carlin once said, it's all one

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Speaker 4: big club, and you ain't in it. The good news

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Speaker 4: is independent people and people with hearts and oolts who

657
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Speaker 4: don't want to be a part of this thing can

658
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 4: still fight back. But you have your podcast. That's why

659
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 4: a lot of people out in the world are thriving

660
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 4: independent media right now. That's why Jimmy Kimble, who I

661
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 4: know to be a very good person who does everything

662
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 4: you can to get up and coming comedians onto his

663
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 4: shows and supports people who don't have any sort of

664
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Speaker 4: runway into that industry. He supports those people. That's why

665
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 4: he stood up. It's because he's he has value. And

666
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 4: by the way, I just want to make it clear,

667
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 4: when you stand up against this guy, it's not just

668
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 4: good for the soul, it's not just good for the country.

669
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 4: It's good for the bottom line. I wish more people

670
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 4: understood this. Yeah, people won't like this shit, what is

671
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 4: going on right now. People don't fucking like it. They

672
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 4: don't want to be a part of it. And when

673
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Speaker 4: you stand up to this guy, when you stand for

674
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Speaker 4: this administration, people come to you. Jimmy Jimmy kmble of

675
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Speaker 4: the second high rated show of all time, and this

676
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 4: is when he started twenty years ago, Ratings across the

677
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Speaker 4: board were like ten times what they are now. He's

678
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 4: going to be the late night show that survived because

679
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 4: of this. We saw this as well here at the Onion.

680
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 4: We had a crossroads moment after the election where we

681
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 4: could have, you know, made slice of life jokes all

682
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Speaker 4: day long about how sandwiches taste funny or whatever, or

683
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 4: we could actually, you know, stand up for what this

684
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Speaker 4: place is. We've written things of the Supreme Court in

685
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Speaker 4: favor of the first Amount. In the past, we've done

686
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Speaker 4: all this stuff in fairs of the first Amount, because

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Speaker 4: that's what we are principled about speech. So we didn't

688
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 4: take a step back here and say we're not going

689
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 4: to fight. We took a step back here and said

690
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 4: we're the only people left, so we may as well

691
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Speaker 4: give it a shot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that only people laugh, so we might as well

693
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Speaker 1: give it a shot. I've had that dot like so

694
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Speaker 1: many times. Yeah, you know, like, haven't you had that

695
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: thought constantly?

696
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Speaker 4: We're standing on the rubble of what our immediate ecosystem

697
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 4: used to be, and the only people who don't see

698
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Speaker 4: it that way are the people who own the rubble.

699
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Speaker 4: Those people are buying dead platforms, they're buying remnants, and

700
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Speaker 4: the real influence comes with what's next. I'm not like

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Speaker 4: giving Democrats advice here, I'm just saying, don't fight the

702
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 4: last war. The last war's there is a wide open

703
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Speaker 4: lane into the future to build something on top of

704
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Speaker 4: this rubble. You know, we've done this for the last year,

705
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 4: and we've had a lot of success in building a

706
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Speaker 4: We're like Painfleteers. We built a newspaper in twenty four

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty five that is enormous. We're going to

708
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Speaker 4: be the We are the I think number eleven or

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Speaker 4: twelve based news paper in the United States right now.

710
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 4: It's because people want to support this. People want to

711
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 4: support people fighting back and saying funny stuff, joking around

712
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 4: and being on the right side here.

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Speaker 1: People want news. And since almost all the newspapers are

714
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Speaker 1: gone because they were rolled up by private equity shops,

715
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Speaker 1: like people actually want what we do.

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Speaker 4: Yes, there's no question. We are in an environment where,

717
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Speaker 4: just as in the future there will be like water wars,

718
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Speaker 4: we are in an information where the best information you

719
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Speaker 4: can get, the best way to protect your family from

720
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Speaker 4: all this stuff unfortunately costs money now, which is really

721
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 4: really right. I wish somebody would create this publication. But

722
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Speaker 4: if you were to have a kid right now, you

723
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 4: would be absolutely bombarded with complete fucking bullshit. You would

724
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Speaker 4: tell your kid, you would tell the parent not to

725
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 4: have tail in all for some fucking reason, you would

726
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Speaker 4: not get your kid vaccinated because you're trusting the government

727
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Speaker 4: and now and all that is wrong in what elites

728
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Speaker 4: do in those moments. They are getting their kids vaccinated,

729
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Speaker 4: they're taking time, but they have better access information because

730
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Speaker 4: they can pay for it. So now we're kind of

731
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 4: all in this mode. Have to do what we can

732
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Speaker 4: to give that information that only the elites get, the

733
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Speaker 4: only the really rich people get while they lie in public,

734
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Speaker 4: and give them the real information at the at the

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Speaker 4: lower level. And that's what independent media can and should

736
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Speaker 4: do here. And we have to do a service to people.

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Speaker 1: I think you're thinking about like RFK who got his

738
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Speaker 1: kids vacs and ate it but is anti vax right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm thinking of all of them, got them cut

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Speaker 4: their kids back, their anti vacus exact. They don't, they

741
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Speaker 4: don't believe it. They're just selling you stuff.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is kind of amazing that we got here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like you and I have been

745
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Speaker 1: doing this for such a long time, Like I knew

746
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Speaker 1: you at NBC. It does feel like, you know, we

747
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: are like in the dystopia in a way that I

748
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Speaker 1: never thought we would be.

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Speaker 4: I think about this all the time, almost every night

750
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Speaker 4: we go to bed. Kat and I talked to talk

751
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Speaker 4: about this all time. Kat, my girlfriends. Kata would zale

752
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Speaker 4: the lady. You got fucking power bombed by ice a

753
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago. It's horrible for Congress, right for Congress,

754
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Speaker 4: and you should go. But we talked about all the

755
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Speaker 4: Times's just like why is it us? Why is it

756
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Speaker 4: because I'm incumbent on us? Like I'm the joky funny guy, right,

757
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 4: so kind of is she? And so kind of are you?

758
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 4: No, all, but we're like the last people who were

760
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Speaker 4: just like no, I just refuse to accept that this

761
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Speaker 4: is how I'm going to live for the rest of

762
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Speaker 4: my life is under the thumb of this shit. I

763
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 4: don't want to be that. I want to go home

764
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Speaker 4: and hang on my fucking cat and I want to yeah,

765
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Speaker 4: like watch basketball and go to a concert once every

766
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Speaker 4: two weeks. That's what I wanted. But we have to

767
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 4: do this because otherwise you don't have the castball, you

768
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Speaker 4: don't have the cat, you don't have a concert.

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Speaker 3: It sucks.

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Speaker 4: Why is it just us ball?

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Speaker 1: Well, it's funny because it's like, you know, my grandpa

772
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Speaker 1: was called him from McCarthy in the House of Non

773
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Speaker 1: American Activities and refuse to name names. He never struck

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Speaker 1: me as like such a brave guy. I mean I

775
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Speaker 1: knew him like twenty years later when he was like

776
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Speaker 1: grand standing in front of people and like this was

777
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Speaker 1: like the thing he had done, which was like had

778
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Speaker 1: faded from memory, but it happened. This is the only choice.

779
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Speaker 1: There's no other choices. I wish there.

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Speaker 4: Were, so I when I was I grew up in

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Speaker 4: a house of the guy who was in Antifa. Sure

782
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Speaker 4: there was a guy. It was a despots who went

783
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Speaker 4: out there and the first thing he did was like,

784
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Speaker 4: get to ban the study of gender. We have to

785
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Speaker 4: put trans people out of their misery. We have to

786
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 4: kill all the gay people. And then he started going

787
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Speaker 4: after people based on their religious persuasion, what they looked like.

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Speaker 4: So I were rounding people off the street, people with

789
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Speaker 4: masks on and fatigues in the middle of the street

790
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 4: used to take him out. And my grandfather was called

791
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 4: to service in Antifa, which is called the United States

792
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Speaker 4: Government right to the to the Western Front, and he

793
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 4: ran a pow camp of Nazis and he didn't talk

794
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Speaker 4: about it. I grew up in a house with my

795
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Speaker 4: grandparents and my parents and we did all the money,

796
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Speaker 4: and he didn't really talk about it. Then he went

797
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Speaker 4: back home and he worked at a shoe factory and

798
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 4: then he retired, and my grandmother was a teacher's aid,

799
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Speaker 4: and neither of them talked about it because it's fucking horrible.

800
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Speaker 4: And I remember I had to ask him for a

801
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Speaker 4: school project about that stevent He's like, I'm not going

802
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 4: to talk about it. And many, many many years later,

803
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago, Thanksgiving twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen something,

804
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 4: somebody found a bunch of parapherne earlia. They found like

805
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 4: maps and all these things, and they found out who's

806
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 4: pretty decorated war veteran, and we just didn't know until

807
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 4: well after he did it, because when you go into

808
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 4: these moments, you are entering such a difficult time that

809
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 4: no matter when you're on the other side of it,

810
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 4: all that matters is that you survived. I only knew

811
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 4: him as like an incredibly kind hearted guy who like

812
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 4: used to bring me bowling and stuff. And we were

813
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,479
Speaker 4: about to enter this time that we don't talk about.

814
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: We're in it.

815
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Speaker 4: We're in All I can say is that, and I could, right, yeah,

816
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 4: that's all we can do.

817
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: It's real dark, and you know, and we don't know

818
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: how it's gonna go. We don't know that it's gonna

819
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: I mean, this country, this is who we are, and

820
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: we've gotten through things like this before and we'll get

821
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: through it again. But it's it's real dark.

822
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 4: And I don't know how to bring people out of

823
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 4: it other than just just like make fun of them.

824
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: And we see this with like, you know, the way

825
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: in which Governor Newsom's Twitter has done really well because

826
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: he's able to show the absurdity of this situation. I

827
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: think that is what is missing from a lot of

828
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: this is and that's what the Onion does so well

829
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Speaker 1: is and that's what Southburk does was show the absurdity

830
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Speaker 1: of the situation, because when you're in it, you don't

831
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Speaker 1: see it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope you guys get to go see this movie. Well,

833
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 4: it'll be a wider release at some point. But like,

834
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 4: we've normalized so much of this that even you know

835
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 4: the premise of Jeffrey Epstein, this guy was the world's

836
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 4: foremost human trafficker and he was potentially the best friend

837
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 4: of the President of the United States who's doing an authorit

838
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 4: tarrent take over the United States. And the way we

839
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 4: talk about it as it's as if it's just like,

840
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 4: you know, another media story, which is a clearly bananas.

841
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 4: What this does, I will say this is the documentary

842
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 4: is like, second by second the funniest thing I've seen,

843
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 4: like in since like Airplane and I really really mean that.

844
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 4: In the joke, eggs and bits like work independently, but

845
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 4: at the end you leave it feeling like I'm easy

846
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 4: because of the end of this day, I'm not going

847
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 4: to give away like the way we treat this, We

848
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 4: treated this like every other weird little scandal that happened,

849
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 4: and what it is is actually an incredible indictment of

850
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,720
Speaker 4: wealth and power and how all the world's worst people

851
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 4: coalesce around each other to cover up their stuff. That's

852
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 4: what this documentary is about. But we are look, it's

853
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 4: it's also it's funny by the way, you should watch it.

854
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 4: But like, look, we have the tools that we have.

855
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 4: I hope everybody understands their role in this moment. Everybody's

856
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 4: got tools. Everybody can. Everybody can talk to your neighbor

857
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 4: and be like, look, don't you see what's happening here?

858
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 4: And everybody does that.

859
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: Ben Collins, thank you, Thank you.

860
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Speaker 4: Molly a moment.

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Speaker 1: Jesse Cannon I junk fast.

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Speaker 2: So a handful of states are going to end their

863
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: nutrition education programs after Trump's cuts.

864
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Speaker 3: This is like the stuff of low lifes do.

865
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Speaker 2: It's the only thing that comes to mind is that

866
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Speaker 2: when you're going to say your poor, your child, we're

867
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Speaker 2: no longer going to support you having nutrition. It's really

868
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Speaker 2: the lowest of the will.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what, this is what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: They don't want to do this. You know, they're cutting snap,

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Speaker 1: what the BBB did, was cut all these programs. That's

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Speaker 1: what these Republicans signed off on. And that's what we're

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