Speaker 1: On the Beck Doll Cast, the questions asked if movies
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Speaker 1: Caitlin Darante, name Shamie Loftez, and we talk about the
Speaker 1: representation and portrayal of women in mainstream movies and in
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Speaker 1: It will you ice producer Aristotle, because we did this morning. However,
Speaker 1: it is morning. It's so he's going to hold up
Speaker 1: for a while. But also, you know, we would have
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Speaker 1: jumping off point of the Bechtel test. The Becktel test,
Speaker 1: of course, being the test invented jokingly and then later
Speaker 1: seriously by cartoonist Alison Bechdel that requires that any piece
Speaker 1: of media have two female characters with names talk about
Speaker 1: something other than a man for two lines of dialogue.
Speaker 1: Super low bar, but hardly anything passes. Shall we try it?
Speaker 1: Let's try it? Okay, Hey Caitlin, Hey Jamie, getting iced rules?
Speaker 1: I love being iced. Awesome. The scene doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be compelling, it just has to occur. So cool. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for our guest today and the movie
Speaker 1: Recovering Today. I've never seen before, and I didn't ruined
Speaker 1: my life. I'm changed. I've fully changed. It took me
Speaker 1: three sittings to watch this whole movie because it's just
Speaker 1: so there's so much happened. I loved it. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: starts wild. Yes, let's introduce our guest. Yes, let's do it.
Speaker 1: Our guest today. She is a media critic and the
Speaker 1: co host of the feminist Frequency radio podcast Anita Sarcasian. Hella, Welcome.
Speaker 1: I was not informed that you've never seen this movie before.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited now. I've never seen a thing in
Speaker 1: my entire life. This was like just a thrill ride
Speaker 1: from start to finish. Every every line is screamed, every
Speaker 1: line because unbelievable. It's crazy how Catherine Bigelow directed a
Speaker 1: Michael Bay movie. There's so there's so many twists and turns,
Speaker 1: like I had to keep reminding myself, like, no, this
Speaker 1: movie was directed by a woman. But then how is
Speaker 1: all of this happening? Like there, there's just there's so much.
Speaker 1: It might be the film with the most best single
Speaker 1: one liners. Yeah, terribly cheesy, wonderful one liners in this
Speaker 1: is just mind bottling. This also, and not only does
Speaker 1: it have like kind of the tone and feel of
Speaker 1: like an early Michael Bay movie, it also has the
Speaker 1: veneers of any Michael Bay movie. There's a lot of teeth,
Speaker 1: capped teeth, a lot of caps. I know that I
Speaker 1: maybe this is a new little I'm feeling a little
Speaker 1: assaulted that this is being compared to any Michael Bay movie,
Speaker 1: even though I understand it. It's just it's making me
Speaker 1: a little sad. Well back covered We've covered what to
Speaker 1: Michael Bay movies on the We've covered Transformers, and we've
Speaker 1: covered The Rock, The Rock his wife, Uh two very
Speaker 1: different Michael bay movies. I'm always on this new proposed
Speaker 1: segment Vineer watch Jamie's Vneer Corner, where I keep track
Speaker 1: of all the Hollywood teeth. Refer back to our Transformers
Speaker 1: episode for more discussion on Michael Baye and teeth addict. No,
Speaker 1: it's Bruckheimer. Bruckheimer's addicted to Veneers. He can't sleep without,
Speaker 1: he can't come without thinking about Veneers. So, Anita, what
Speaker 1: is your history and relationship with Point Break? First, you
Speaker 1: have seen it a lot, I don't remember. This is
Speaker 1: one of those movies that's just been like around and
Speaker 1: you just like, I know I had seen it, and
Speaker 1: then I've seen it a bunch of times. And I'm
Speaker 1: also slightly obsessed with Patrick Swayze, not really, I just
Speaker 1: I like him in a couple of movies and now
Speaker 1: think that I'm obsessed with him because of that, but
Speaker 1: don't know that much about him. So you're burying the lead.
Speaker 1: You love Patrick Swayze. I would like to pick a
Speaker 1: fight with whoever has already done dirty Dancing on your podcast,
Speaker 1: because that's really what I want to talk about, because
Speaker 1: The Very Dancing Legit is my favorite movie, and you know,
Speaker 1: Patrick Swayze is also in that. So these two are
Speaker 1: my like late eighties, early nineties like favorite go to films,
Speaker 1: and they both happened to start this amazing, wonderful buff man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love him as far as I know, Patrick Swayze.
Speaker 1: We are. It's it's okay to love Patrick Swayze. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well he's no longer with us. He can't funk up
Speaker 1: now exactly, and so far he was married for like
Speaker 1: thirty four years. I don't know if that means anything,
Speaker 1: because it doesn't always. But you know, there have been
Speaker 1: no accusations that have come up against Patrick Swayze, which
Speaker 1: I don't know if that would be useful to anyone
Speaker 1: at this point anyways, But Swayze can't I'm your dead baby.
Speaker 1: He's gonna always be body or Johnny Castle to me,
Speaker 1: You just Johnny Castle. Hard to take that away. These names,
Speaker 1: the names Johnny Castle, Utah, Danny Ocean, Larry Jealie, what
Speaker 1: are these names? I would also like to point out
Speaker 1: that if you've never seen Point Break the film, does
Speaker 1: that mean you've also never experienced Point Break Live? That's yeah,
Speaker 1: what is that? Do you know about Point Break Live?
Speaker 1: I don't know about Point Break Live. So Point Break
Speaker 1: Live was this live theater show that was around for many,
Speaker 1: many years and it was a recreation of the movie
Speaker 1: live in a theater. And the way that it worked
Speaker 1: was the role of Canoe was cast every performance and
Speaker 1: the way it would be cast is that people in
Speaker 1: the audience would come up to the stage and do
Speaker 1: their best canoe impression. The audience would vote for their
Speaker 1: favorite canoe and then that person would be in the
Speaker 1: show for the night. And the way that they would
Speaker 1: be in the show is that someone walks out with
Speaker 1: que cards and they read off of the que cards.
Speaker 1: The other amazing thing is that the live show turns
Speaker 1: the homo erotic subtext of Point Break into text, which
Speaker 1: is so good. The other thing is that they will
Speaker 1: sell you one dollar poncho before you enter the theater
Speaker 1: because they actually like splash the Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: feel like homoerotic theater with a splash zone is the
Speaker 1: show I want to see every single time, every single time.
Speaker 1: That's unbelievable. I'm so bummed for all of the people
Speaker 1: who didn't experience this show live. Yeah, so you're a
Speaker 1: huge fan of the movie Point Break, I am. I
Speaker 1: am a solid fan, Okay, like I've got facts about
Speaker 1: the movie, behind the scenes info, and Jamie, you had
Speaker 1: never seen it. I didn't grow up with this movie either.
Speaker 1: I didn't see it until I think last year on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: I had always heard of it, of course, but didn't
Speaker 1: know really what I thought the reputation that it had
Speaker 1: is that it was like a solid, like really cool
Speaker 1: action movie. And did not realize how cheesy it is
Speaker 1: and like how corny all the dialogue is and all
Speaker 1: the performances are. So I posted on Facebook and I
Speaker 1: was like, why did no one tell me how lame
Speaker 1: Point Break is? And I've never gotten so much vitriol
Speaker 1: hatred about anything I've ever said. I think it's one
Speaker 1: of those things where like when you watch movies that
Speaker 1: you watched as a kid and like experienced them when
Speaker 1: they came out or when you're you know of that
Speaker 1: time period, if you've never watched them but heard the hype, right,
Speaker 1: because Point Break is a cult classic at this point,
Speaker 1: it's really hard to watch it as an adult, Like
Speaker 1: they just don't hold the same nostalgic appeal and I could.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm super fascinated by the fact that you
Speaker 1: hadn't seen it, and like, your interpretation of it is
Speaker 1: going to be wildly different than mine because I have
Speaker 1: all these like emotional attachments to it. I write no emotions,
Speaker 1: but I ever but no, I I don't have an
Speaker 1: emotional attachment, but this is this is one of those movies.
Speaker 1: And I guess I'm trying to think of a movie
Speaker 1: that we've done. This is similar to it where it's
Speaker 1: like the problems are so clear, they're handed to you
Speaker 1: on a platter of like, yeah, here's something awful, stare
Speaker 1: at it, cheer for it, even and but it's but
Speaker 1: it's such a fun movie where I couldn't. I was
Speaker 1: smiling for so much of this movie because it's just
Speaker 1: there are so many things. Whe'm like, this is so
Speaker 1: poorly acted that I thought it was like a plot point,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't. Of like when Gary Busey's in the
Speaker 1: car laughing at Calvin and jobs like that, so he's
Speaker 1: like cackling, It was like, is he I thought he
Speaker 1: was hiding something? Oh? I thought I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's he's laughing too hard at the comic because he
Speaker 1: doesn't want to be emotionally vulnerable with Kianu, right, now,
Speaker 1: but no, he really just thought the comic was so
Speaker 1: funny too, and he wanted to meatball sandwiches and we
Speaker 1: had to watch Kanu order the meatball sandwiches for a
Speaker 1: whole scene of like why it was so just this
Speaker 1: movie is so weird. It's a weird movie. The question
Speaker 1: is, is is the movie self aware of being so cheesy?
Speaker 1: Like did they know they were making a cheesy movie? No,
Speaker 1: I think that's it. I think they were, like they
Speaker 1: probably knew that, Like some of the lines were like
Speaker 1: a little corny, young full of come right. But I
Speaker 1: think that they thought that that was kind of cool
Speaker 1: at the time. They're like, We're just, yeah, we're making
Speaker 1: this cool action movie. It's about surfers, it's about bank robbers.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have Gary Busey and Keanu ree Kind and
Speaker 1: each other. Like I really think the people behind this
Speaker 1: movie thought they were making I mean, because it was
Speaker 1: the early nineties, Like I don't know that aesthetic was
Speaker 1: like considered cool back then. And now we rewatch it
Speaker 1: and we're like, oh, this is the cheesiest content I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. Maybe, I mean, I a wild stretch of opinion.
Speaker 1: I don't think this movie is trying to comment on
Speaker 1: literally anything except perhaps surfers are cool. Uh, And maybe
Speaker 1: that's kind of why I'm I don't feel that bad
Speaker 1: that I enjoyed it so much in spite of all
Speaker 1: the very clear issues. Is like, this movie thinks it's
Speaker 1: fucking awesome and it's not, and that's funny. I mean,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I think the movie is very cheesy,
Speaker 1: but I also think it's very fun to watch, like
Speaker 1: it is a fun romp. So a little bit about
Speaker 1: before we get into the recap, the like context of
Speaker 1: this movie is fast. I mean, it's it's directed by
Speaker 1: Katherine Bigelow, which I mean, if we could make a
Speaker 1: list of movies I least suspected to have a female
Speaker 1: director because it's not a shitty, conservative, fucking pro war movie.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, Katherine Bigelow is like a polarizing figure,
Speaker 1: but I mean this movie is so silly for her too,
Speaker 1: Like it's silly and dumb as fuck. And this movie
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that this movie came out the same
Speaker 1: weekend as Terminator, to which was directed by her then
Speaker 1: husband James Cameron. So there's isn't that. I just thought
Speaker 1: that was interesting. So they were competing at the box
Speaker 1: office together. Ye, term or two. I don't know the figures,
Speaker 1: but I'm guessing at crushed Terminator two. Well, well, point
Speaker 1: Break was second, but significant second. However, you know that
Speaker 1: probably that makes sense cinematically, that makes sense. But yeah, so,
Speaker 1: and I guess James Cameron also did some of the
Speaker 1: work on this script, which you know, James Cameron knows
Speaker 1: how to write a cheesy fucking movie, So that tracks
Speaker 1: for me. God, his I'll never I know, I bring
Speaker 1: it up every other episode, but his like first draft
Speaker 1: of the two thousand two Spider Man movies, still just
Speaker 1: like makes me craninge so hard every time I think
Speaker 1: about it. Whereas I was like, oh god, James Cameron
Speaker 1: wrote forty pages about a teenagers. Come, why did he
Speaker 1: do that? That's so gross? Anyways, Well, should I do
Speaker 1: the recap of Point Break? Okay? So Point Break is
Speaker 1: about our hero Johnny Utah. He is a rookie FBI
Speaker 1: agent assigned to his first case in the bank robbery
Speaker 1: Department UM and he gets partnered up with Papa's who's
Speaker 1: played by Gary Busey, and they're trying to catch a
Speaker 1: group of bank robbers called the ex presidents because they
Speaker 1: like all wear masks of like Reagan Nixon, lb J
Speaker 1: and I think Jimmy Carter. And they go around and
Speaker 1: they rob all these banks, and Bucy has this theory
Speaker 1: that they are surfers in addition into being bank rubbers.
Speaker 1: Um so the most logical conclusion, Well, there's some clues.
Speaker 1: You know, they have a tan line. There's some like
Speaker 1: sex wax that they used to like wax up their boards. Literally.
Speaker 1: So Johnny Utah goes undercover and starts to learn how
Speaker 1: to serve, to try to like infiltrate or like figure
Speaker 1: out who the suspects might be. As you do, and
Speaker 1: you don't make up an alias or anything, you use
Speaker 1: your real name. We'll get we'll get there. Because he's
Speaker 1: constantly getting into fights, He's constantly screaming, being very disrupt
Speaker 1: of like I mean Kanu really, I mean, he blows
Speaker 1: it a lot, but he really blows it in this one,
Speaker 1: which is too bad because Kanu I feel like everyone
Speaker 1: loves Kia, like he is a beloved person who blows
Speaker 1: it regularly. Yeah, but I like Kiana reefs. Refer back
Speaker 1: to the Matrix episode. We all I used to sell
Speaker 1: that Kiana is Sudoku puzzles. Now that you are a hacker,
Speaker 1: you really need to watch that movie, Jamie. I know,
Speaker 1: I know, I so much has changed for for newer
Speaker 1: Bectel cast listeners. That's the one episode where I didn't
Speaker 1: watch the movie, and I'm lying for the entire episode
Speaker 1: about knowing what you haven't seen the matrix. I still
Speaker 1: have not seen the whole podcast. No, wow, I have
Speaker 1: so much respect for you. You want to go back
Speaker 1: and really grasping at straws. I mean I didn't, I
Speaker 1: didn't notice you. You did something to make me not know.
Speaker 1: I can still feel the sweat on my body from
Speaker 1: that day. That was a stressful day. Okay, So anyway,
Speaker 1: so Johnny Utah, he's going undercover as a surfer and
Speaker 1: he's really bad at it. So he gets this woman
Speaker 1: Tyler to start teaching him, and then LORI, Petty, what's up?
Speaker 1: Petty rules Tyler. She's not like the other girl, right,
Speaker 1: She's a cool chick. She's cool, she's she's a guy
Speaker 1: scal she can be like, oh masculinity, but like still
Speaker 1: be down but like, I'm cool, but I'm still best
Speaker 1: friends with all these bank rubbers because okay, so she's
Speaker 1: friends with this group of people. Body is there. They're
Speaker 1: like elsa male played by Patrick Swayzy. Body, what did
Speaker 1: they call him? Boda Riffith Bosa? Where did he get
Speaker 1: that name? He's This actually reminds me of one of
Speaker 1: my dear friend's father is in a southern California surfer
Speaker 1: cult called the Barbecue Surfers, and I was like getting
Speaker 1: major BBQ surfer vibes from And I would say honestly
Speaker 1: that the BBQ Surfers were a more efficient cult than
Speaker 1: the one in Point Break, because they also are not
Speaker 1: very efficient at all. So Johnny Uta starts hanging out
Speaker 1: with like Body and his pals. He tells everyone his
Speaker 1: real name and they recognize him as a college football player,
Speaker 1: so like, yeah, bro, come and hang out with us,
Speaker 1: Like you're so cool, bro. Meanwhile, they're like still trying
Speaker 1: to figure out who the ex presidents are and Johnny's like, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's these like bad dudes. There's like this group of
Speaker 1: four guys war Child and Bunker and like some other
Speaker 1: dudes and they raid their house. But what's up the
Speaker 1: Red Hot Peppers. Yeah, he's a singing in the Red
Speaker 1: Hot Chili Peppers. My favorite part of the whole movie
Speaker 1: is when he shoots himself in the foot. He's the
Speaker 1: guy with the crazy hair with its like braids down
Speaker 1: the side and then like a long pony on top
Speaker 1: of setting information. Wow. Okay, okay, okay, So that doesn't
Speaker 1: work out. And then Johnny he's hanging out with Bodie
Speaker 1: and pals some more, and he's like one of Bodie's boys,
Speaker 1: one of Bodi's boys, and he's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Bodie and the boys are the ex presidents. And then
Speaker 1: also meanwhile, Johnny and Tyler are getting a little closer.
Speaker 1: They have some sex on the beach, and oh my god,
Speaker 1: that scene where their first kissing is so funny because
Speaker 1: they're both like you can tell just the actors like
Speaker 1: Lori Petty and Kanu Reeves as individuals are struggling to
Speaker 1: stay on their boards, like they're bobbing up and down
Speaker 1: and like trying to deliver lines to each other. And
Speaker 1: then he like he touches her leg, but I feel
Speaker 1: like he's also trying to steady himself. And then she
Speaker 1: kisses him, but they're both still bobbing. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is not a hot kiss even remotely. Everyone is
Speaker 1: so cold and nervous, and you see her lip chattering,
Speaker 1: like I know that they acknowledge that it's cold. But y'all,
Speaker 1: if you don't live in southern California, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you understand how fucking cold the ocean is all
Speaker 1: the time, especially at night. Maybe one of my least
Speaker 1: favorite movie kisses of all time. It was I mean, like,
Speaker 1: you know, it was a consenting kiss, right, not a
Speaker 1: surprise kiss. But it was bad. It was bad because
Speaker 1: he touches her leg and he's like goose bumps. Is
Speaker 1: if like that's his like sweet pickup line and then
Speaker 1: they kiss. It's very romantic. I don't know what you're
Speaker 1: talking about. So also, who the funk? As an adult?
Speaker 1: Doesn't know that you don't funk on the beach, Like
Speaker 1: just you don't. You've done it once as a teenager,
Speaker 1: and then you never do it again because it's the
Speaker 1: most awful thing I've never sucked on the beach. That
Speaker 1: sounds cool, You go do it, and then you'll learn
Speaker 1: why you never funk on the beach. Okay, it's the messiest,
Speaker 1: it's the worst. You stand everywhere forever. Good of the
Speaker 1: barbecue surfers, so Johnny's like, oh my god, my Bodie
Speaker 1: boys are the bank robbers. They catch them mid robbery,
Speaker 1: so he blows his cover and then he's like, oh no,
Speaker 1: what do I do? And they capture Tyler because they're like,
Speaker 1: we got to use her as like leverage to like
Speaker 1: get him to stop chasing them. And then they're like, Johnny,
Speaker 1: come with us to go skydiving, and then also come
Speaker 1: with us to go on a bank robber and it's
Speaker 1: like this is where I was like the whole plane sequence.
Speaker 1: I was like, why is this what is happening? He
Speaker 1: accompanies them on. They're like, you have to come with
Speaker 1: us on this bank robbery or we're gonna kill Tyler.
Speaker 1: So he's like okay, and they do it, but a
Speaker 1: lot of things go wrong and some people die and
Speaker 1: then Bros dies and it's so fucking sad, dude, right,
Speaker 1: So they like escape and Johnny is like, I gotta
Speaker 1: go after them, so he like tries to catch him
Speaker 1: at the airport. They escape, He goes after them. Still,
Speaker 1: there's more skydiving, and then finally like they released Tyler,
Speaker 1: but body and the remaining boys get away and then
Speaker 1: we cut to the next line pick up the body,
Speaker 1: and then the end of the movie is Annie confronting
Speaker 1: Bodie on the beach in Australia and he's like, I
Speaker 1: got you now, and he's like, no, man, I can't
Speaker 1: be in a cage. Just let me kid one least
Speaker 1: wave dog please. It's like, okay, broke sounds fair broke,
Speaker 1: and then Body effectively kills himself by surfing spectacular surfing
Speaker 1: before Keiana Reeves says via contillos its an it's a
Speaker 1: It's an epic line in the movie. So good on
Speaker 1: on that spectacular surfing suicide. Note, Let's take a quick
Speaker 1: break and we will be back in a second, and
Speaker 1: we're back from the dead. We did it. We're Body's ghost. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did it. So now you know what happens in
Speaker 1: the movie, right, But I feel that we still have
Speaker 1: not scratched this, not even close. The first thing I
Speaker 1: do want to say is that, so, Jamie, you know
Speaker 1: how your form Twitter handle was Hamburger phone inspired by
Speaker 1: the movie Juno Rest in Paradise. Yes, this movie point
Speaker 1: Break has inspired me to create a new Twitter handle
Speaker 1: for myself, football helmet, alarm, clock there and iconic crop.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's my new Twitter handle, so follow me
Speaker 1: at football helmet alarm clock. I have okay it genuinely
Speaker 1: and Caitlyn we talked about this a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1: It took me three days to watch this movie, like
Speaker 1: when did you stop? Like what parts did you stop at?
Speaker 1: What inspired the brakes? It was never because I was angry.
Speaker 1: It was never because I was upset. I would just
Speaker 1: be like, I'm just I'm full. I feel like I
Speaker 1: just ate a whole meal and I need to rest.
Speaker 1: Like the first night, I got twenty five minutes in
Speaker 1: and there was just like a line that Gary Busey screamed,
Speaker 1: which does not narrow it down at all. It's Oh,
Speaker 1: it's when Gary Busey says twenty two and puts up
Speaker 1: two fingers. That's when I shut it up. The first
Speaker 1: time he says twenty two, and yet his hand says yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't get very far. And then I watched the
Speaker 1: most of it, and then oh, I stopped again when
Speaker 1: Patrick Swayzey's bro died and he was so freaking sad
Speaker 1: and he was like my bro, my fallen bro. And
Speaker 1: then I watched like the last ten minutes like this morning.
Speaker 1: The third day, Yeah, one of the first things I
Speaker 1: want to say is that, so this is directed by
Speaker 1: Katherine Bigelow. As we mentioned, I find it interesting that
Speaker 1: a movie directed by a woman is not immune to
Speaker 1: a lot of the misogyny and problems that most movies
Speaker 1: that are directed by men have, because, like like you said, Jamie,
Speaker 1: this movie kind of hits all the marks of like
Speaker 1: there's you know, a woman captured to advance the story.
Speaker 1: There's like some male gaze shots. There's like all this
Speaker 1: kind of weird like an underdeveloped romance. There's all this stuff,
Speaker 1: so much male kidnapping. Remember the scene where Kanu is
Speaker 1: uh staring at Tyler changing and it's just like panning
Speaker 1: her body, and then they pan her body again in
Speaker 1: the video where she's like all of a sudden in
Speaker 1: a nighty because we've ever seen her in a fucking
Speaker 1: like lingerie little nighty and the cat down her leg
Speaker 1: right like cool. And then there's so much more male
Speaker 1: gaze with the The only other women in the movie
Speaker 1: are the women in the house that gets rated um,
Speaker 1: and they're like, you know, naked in the shower, that
Speaker 1: naked chick fucking whales onto those dudes. Though, if feminist
Speaker 1: icon woman who tries to kill Kana rees with the
Speaker 1: golf club or whatever. But also the only people of
Speaker 1: color are in that villain like in that house of
Speaker 1: like the bad bad I don't understand the spiritual side.
Speaker 1: They're not searchers like body, you know, right right, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's and any people of color in this really almost
Speaker 1: universally are demonized um as like these aren't I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: keep saying the barbecue servers, these aren't like these are
Speaker 1: the cool surfers. I hope that like the barbecue surfers
Speaker 1: are okay with me. Given anyways, everyone everyone go to
Speaker 1: this just be about barbecue. Everyone find out what surf
Speaker 1: cult I'm most closely affiliated with. Um But then they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: but then there's the meth surfers and they're bad, And
Speaker 1: that's the only time you really see people of color
Speaker 1: in the Intern. There's also a character named Alvarez who's
Speaker 1: one of the other FBI agents, but he's like antagonistic
Speaker 1: toward Papas and Johnny Utah, so he's also kind of villainized,
Speaker 1: right yeah. Where it's like, you know, every time a
Speaker 1: person of color appears in this movie, it's to get
Speaker 1: in the way of Kia news development as a character.
Speaker 1: Although Kiano is mixed, he is part Chinese and part
Speaker 1: Native Hawaiian. Yeah yeah, and then as well as being
Speaker 1: I think English, Irish and Portuguese. So I just wanted
Speaker 1: to acknowledge that. But I'll say that I think because
Speaker 1: he can pass is white, he is still able to
Speaker 1: like get cast in all the big roles in Hollywood,
Speaker 1: because usually Hollywood does not know what to do with
Speaker 1: people who look ethnically ambiguous. Ever heard of it? Ever
Speaker 1: heard of the podcast on how Stuff? What's Up? Network?
Speaker 1: Check it out? Well, that's I I didn't know that
Speaker 1: about cut. Yeah. I feel like the rock is like
Speaker 1: a like an exception to the rule, but it's an
Speaker 1: exception to most rules of course. But yeah, so I
Speaker 1: just wanted to acknowledge that Kiano is mixed. You are heard,
Speaker 1: Thank you. Getting back to the Katherine Bigelow thing, it's
Speaker 1: it's tricky because Katherine Bigelow, I feel, and if you
Speaker 1: have different examples to share, but like she's the most
Speaker 1: frequently cited female director. When people are like, well women
Speaker 1: don't direct movies enough, they're like, like, that's the exact
Speaker 1: because it's always the margin of error, right, every time.
Speaker 1: Every time we talk about like marginalized folks, they're like
Speaker 1: the margin of error, right, like the one the name, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so everything's fine now exactly. She's yeah, she's one of
Speaker 1: maybe a handful of like women directors who are like
Speaker 1: kind of household names. It's like her Sofia Coppola, Ava
Speaker 1: duvern name Patty Jenkins, and you can Patty Jenkins like that,
Speaker 1: and then like Nora Ephron and like Nancy Myers. But
Speaker 1: that's kind And that's the thing is like women can
Speaker 1: make sexist media too, just because like it's really important
Speaker 1: that like there's a lot of internalized depression and that
Speaker 1: like just because you're a woman doesn't mean that you're
Speaker 1: automatically a feminist or making feminist media. And it's also
Speaker 1: like part of the problem with the Bechdel Test. Like
Speaker 1: so before before I was known for video games, like
Speaker 1: the Bechdel Test, videos that I made were the like
Speaker 1: the things that people knew me for. So I got
Speaker 1: asked about it all the fucking time, which I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's not it does not mean anything
Speaker 1: as feminist, Like it doesn't mean it's good. It's just
Speaker 1: literally giving you a tool to recognize that, like, we
Speaker 1: got a problem exactly right. The Sex and the City
Speaker 1: movies pass the backdel test, and that's not really what
Speaker 1: we're going the pantheon of womanhood like I got. I
Speaker 1: actually got so annoyed that people would pull it out
Speaker 1: all the time that I, um, I added my own rule,
Speaker 1: which didn't pick up. But whatever, It's fine. I will
Speaker 1: want to um where the women have to talk for
Speaker 1: over a minute, because most of the movies that pass
Speaker 1: just passed because there was literally one sentence, right, just
Speaker 1: one conversation. Absolutely, and sometimes by characters we never see
Speaker 1: again who have nothing like that. That conversation won't have
Speaker 1: anything to do with advancing the story in any way. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: and and yet this is a bit of a sidebar.
Speaker 1: But what is your history with like, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: curious about your history of people getting in your mentions
Speaker 1: about the Bechtel test specifically, like because there, Yeah, how
Speaker 1: is your like your attitude shifted towards it through the years,
Speaker 1: because I know you've been putting up with people forever.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. Twitter's beautiful haven
Speaker 1: of just wonderful, tolerant, constructive criticism. Yeah, I just so I,
Speaker 1: so I made a video. It was like a really
Speaker 1: short one to two minute long video that explained what
Speaker 1: the Becktealth test was and showed examples that did really well.
Speaker 1: Because you know, giving people these like very simple media
Speaker 1: literacy tools to start recognizing how to look at media
Speaker 1: differently is really mind opening and expanding for a lot
Speaker 1: of folks. And that's great, Like the this test is
Speaker 1: very useful and a very very one on one level, right,
Speaker 1: which we've always said, yeah, which I think you do
Speaker 1: hilariously at the intro of your podcast. Um, but the
Speaker 1: thing is that everyone was like every time you talk
Speaker 1: about anything, they're like, well, does a test pass the
Speaker 1: test as a pass the test as a pass the
Speaker 1: test as if that is a marker of like actual
Speaker 1: criticism of a film, right, And So I think there's
Speaker 1: there's value in it, but it's not like the end
Speaker 1: all be all, Like it doesn't give us that much
Speaker 1: information other than showing us a wide scale pattern within
Speaker 1: Hollywood totally, right. So I you know, I think that
Speaker 1: we can use it, and I think that like, you know,
Speaker 1: being able to integrate it in ways that you're using
Speaker 1: it it like it's really helpful, but it's not like
Speaker 1: the end of the end. It's not like, you know,
Speaker 1: you've you figured out the Becktel test in every movie
Speaker 1: and therefore we're done here kind of thing, or like
Speaker 1: if every movie passes it, it automatically means that it's
Speaker 1: like not oppressive, which is also not true exactly. And
Speaker 1: we've we've seen some wild passes. Yeah, but wasn't She's
Speaker 1: all that where the only time it passes in the
Speaker 1: whole movie is one when one female character is telling
Speaker 1: another female character that they should fucking kill themselves. Like,
Speaker 1: there's there's some there's some wild passes. We'll link that
Speaker 1: out as well, because we want our listeners to be
Speaker 1: as familiar with your work as possible. Yes, thank you,
Speaker 1: but yeah, and that's why we talk about, of course,
Speaker 1: not only whether or not a movie passes the Bectel tests,
Speaker 1: but a whole slew of other things. For example, should
Speaker 1: we just get into Tyler. Yeah, let's get into Tyler.
Speaker 1: So she is the only main female character in the
Speaker 1: whole story. There's a few other women who pop up
Speaker 1: here and there, usually in the background, or if they
Speaker 1: do have any sort of significant screen time, they are
Speaker 1: either naked or selling a sandwich. Oh is that a woman.
Speaker 1: I don't even notice. It's because yes there is. Her
Speaker 1: name is miss deerin the is she named? But is
Speaker 1: she named in the movie? I think they call her
Speaker 1: miss Deer? But all right, I don't know for sure.
Speaker 1: She's she's a hacker and she wants to fun Keanu,
Speaker 1: and that's what we know about her. That's pretty much it.
Speaker 1: So this movie is one of the Brazilian examples of
Speaker 1: a man trying to get closer to a woman by
Speaker 1: lying to her or manipulating her. So for the betterment
Speaker 1: of the world, right to stop, justified exactly, and don't worry.
Speaker 1: He never like it's never in the way their relationship
Speaker 1: plays out, that's never really resolved at all, because she's
Speaker 1: kidnapped before it can be a discussion, and she does
Speaker 1: confront him, but his pillow. Yeah, she knows how to
Speaker 1: aim a gun. What was she trying to kill She
Speaker 1: wasn't trying to kill him, just trying to I'm not
Speaker 1: sure she could have. If he moved an inch, she
Speaker 1: would have killed him. Yeah, So basically, so here's how
Speaker 1: their relationship plays out. He's trying to surf. He's extremely
Speaker 1: bad at it. He nearly drowns she swoops in and
Speaker 1: saves his life. So we see an example of a
Speaker 1: woman saving a man. It's not that common because usually
Speaker 1: men are saving women in movies. Um, save very little mermaid, right. Um.
Speaker 1: Then she screams at him. She's like, you have no
Speaker 1: business being out here, basically telling him that he's not
Speaker 1: good enough. But then he basically stocks her and it's like,
Speaker 1: you need to teach me how to surf. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: goes to her job. I liked that. We saw that
Speaker 1: she has a job, we know what she does. Like that,
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, movie, most movies don't get that
Speaker 1: far before that, though, he is so that We talked
Speaker 1: about this a little bit already. But the shot of her,
Speaker 1: she's changing out of her swimsuit, as the audience were like, hmm,
Speaker 1: this is extremely male gaze oriented. And then we cut
Speaker 1: to a shot of Keanu literally gazing at her through
Speaker 1: binoculars and we're like, oh, whoa, Okay, so this is
Speaker 1: like doubling down on the male gaze. That's wild. But
Speaker 1: don't worry, no commentary is made, no none whatsoever. So
Speaker 1: then so he's like following her, stalking her, and then
Speaker 1: he approaches her at work, it's like, you have to
Speaker 1: teach me how to surf. She is reluctant at first,
Speaker 1: but then he uses the information that he learned about
Speaker 1: her from which hacker. That scene is also great because
Speaker 1: Gary Busey's like, oh, this is your surfing contact, female
Speaker 1: D nineteen pounds, hares blue eyes. Do you have to
Speaker 1: say a hundred nineteen pounds? Do we all need to
Speaker 1: be triggered? Like what? Why? And he's so offended that
Speaker 1: she's a woman. Gary Busey was like, oh, he found
Speaker 1: a woman to help me, which is crazy because in
Speaker 1: real life, Gareb you see, loves and respects Mester. Right.
Speaker 1: So then so he uses this information that he finds
Speaker 1: out about her, which is that her parents died in
Speaker 1: a plane crash, to sort of like leverage against her,
Speaker 1: to be like, well, like, my parents died in a
Speaker 1: car crash, so you just don't know what. It's like,
Speaker 1: I'm finally doing something for myself. And then she falls
Speaker 1: for it and agrees to start helping him. She's teaching
Speaker 1: him how to surf, and then they get romantically involved,
Speaker 1: because you can't have a movie where there's just a
Speaker 1: man and a woman on a professional basis or a
Speaker 1: friendship basis, they have to start having sex. There's a weird,
Speaker 1: awkward kiss. They're sex on the beach. He keeps lying.
Speaker 1: There's a long shot of Kianu just thinking while she sleeps.
Speaker 1: Remember when he tries to tell her and she's like literally,
Speaker 1: she says, you look like you are are about to
Speaker 1: tell me something, and then you don't. And then he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you the thing, and she's like
Speaker 1: puts her finger on his lips and he's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's okay, don't tell me. She tries to shoot him morning,
Speaker 1: and you're like, wait, what a lot of inconsistencies. So yeah,
Speaker 1: what happens there is that he's, I guess, trying to
Speaker 1: tell her that he's working undercover as an FBI agent
Speaker 1: to try to find these bank robbers. She's like, some
Speaker 1: other time, don't tell me now. Then we cut to
Speaker 1: a scene which I would argue as a weird like
Speaker 1: that just as bad writing and weird for the character
Speaker 1: because a second ago she wants to know so badly,
Speaker 1: but then her loins overcome her because he's like this
Speaker 1: is so hard for me, and she's like men are
Speaker 1: so bad at this. Further perpetuating the stereotype that men
Speaker 1: are bad at talking about whatever. But I mean, if
Speaker 1: you had representation of men in movies talking about their
Speaker 1: feelings and their you know, vulnerabilities and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: maybe it wouldn't be so hard for men to do that.
Speaker 1: There's more ways, you know, you could. There's also surfing.
Speaker 1: I really expressed myself best through my surfing, surfing, his art, surfing,
Speaker 1: his life. So he doesn't tell her what his deal is,
Speaker 1: but she finds out because he leaves his badge lying
Speaker 1: around and I do want to get into the list
Speaker 1: of all the reasons why he is a terrible undercover agent.
Speaker 1: But did she say he's a lawyer, because he's like
Speaker 1: I went to law school. My parents wanted me to
Speaker 1: go to law school. Oh. I thought she was saying
Speaker 1: I found out you're a lawyer. And I was like, no,
Speaker 1: that's the lie that he fed her. Got it Okay?
Speaker 1: So she finds his badge and then she tries to
Speaker 1: she shoots at him, but the movie frames it because
Speaker 1: she's like, you lied to me, or your parents even dead?
Speaker 1: Tell me if your parents are dead, and then she leaves,
Speaker 1: but the movie frames it as though we are supposed
Speaker 1: to feel sorry for Johnny Utah for like having been
Speaker 1: found out, rather than us feeling sorry for Tyler for
Speaker 1: being lied to. Having her traumatic past leverages against her
Speaker 1: because surf crime. Yeah, but it's because like the narrative
Speaker 1: has her go absolutely berserk and nearly shoot him, so
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, she's crazy. We're supposed to feel sorry
Speaker 1: for john Utah, which is not great. Yeah, that the
Speaker 1: way that scene it's so weird because it's like, I
Speaker 1: feel like we probably all watched that scene kind of
Speaker 1: the same way of like, again, it was an irrational
Speaker 1: story choice to have her shoot a gun like that
Speaker 1: doesn't line up with who we know that character to be,
Speaker 1: you know, and every other example we've seen her try
Speaker 1: to talk to him, and it's so it's weird that
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they're like, no, she's she's mad
Speaker 1: and she's crazy and we're about to kidnap her anyway,
Speaker 1: so might as well give her a gun. Yeah, it's like,
Speaker 1: how do we make her seem the most betrayed right
Speaker 1: that she's like totally whack a doodle, Like this is
Speaker 1: the way chicks react, and you know, bullshit, and they're
Speaker 1: like the big climactic like scenes at the end. So
Speaker 1: it's super inconsistent, right, But also like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm so much worth forgiving of a
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff in this film only because like
Speaker 1: it's so off the rails in every conceivable way from
Speaker 1: the get go that you're like, oh, sure of course
Speaker 1: she shoots the gut whatever. I do agree that everyone
Speaker 1: is operating at and eleven for the duration of this
Speaker 1: that it's not it's by far not the craziest thing
Speaker 1: that happens. No, But then what's like super sexist? Then
Speaker 1: of course we get the third act cop out of Oh,
Speaker 1: let's kidnap the only female character in the movie as
Speaker 1: leverage so that there's something for the boys to fight for.
Speaker 1: And and then the next time we see her where
Speaker 1: she's not you know, like bound and gagged on Patrick
Speaker 1: Swayzy's creepy van computer or was like what was that
Speaker 1: plugged into? What is It's not a wireless computer you have?
Speaker 1: But and the whole thing where he's like Rosie, he's
Speaker 1: just has this gift where he can just go blank.
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it, man, she was my woman, but
Speaker 1: like he can do it, and it's okay, and you're like,
Speaker 1: what is happening right now? Right? Yeah, that's the other thing.
Speaker 1: So the movie establishes that Tyler and Bodie used to
Speaker 1: go out and have a romantic relationship, which means that
Speaker 1: like the writers when they're trying to like characterize her
Speaker 1: and like trying to figure out, okay, like who is
Speaker 1: she in the story? Like what purpose does she serve? Like,
Speaker 1: they had to write in that she is Bodie's ex girlfriend,
Speaker 1: which is like not necessary for the story at all.
Speaker 1: It's just weird. Yeah, for whatever reason they're I mean,
Speaker 1: this happens a lot where they're like, well, why would
Speaker 1: this woman exist in this story? Better make her the
Speaker 1: ex girl, like, better established her relationship to a man
Speaker 1: in this story. But it doesn't serve the story at all.
Speaker 1: It could easily just been that they were friends or
Speaker 1: they hang out in the same surfing circle, pushing the
Speaker 1: point to write, Like in the party scene where he's
Speaker 1: like doing the tequila shots of that woman, he says
Speaker 1: to Johnny, Utah, what's mine is yours? And you're like,
Speaker 1: because women be property, the property of the men. In
Speaker 1: the game of patriarchy, women are not the opposing team.
Speaker 1: They are the ball and the scene very much illustrates that. Yes,
Speaker 1: I feel like that from a story perspective, that wasn't
Speaker 1: even really necessary because you know, in one of the
Speaker 1: things this movie I thought did right, we do know
Speaker 1: a little bit about Tyler, Like I think we know
Speaker 1: enough about her that we don't really need that element
Speaker 1: where we know, you know a little bit about her
Speaker 1: past where she has like you know, she is an orphan.
Speaker 1: That's more than we know about a lot of female protagonists.
Speaker 1: We know that she has a job and a hobby,
Speaker 1: and we know that of course she is not like
Speaker 1: the other girls. I suspect it's also I mean, like, okay,
Speaker 1: we're talking about, you know, a very cliched story with
Speaker 1: the three act arc or whatever is how you talk
Speaker 1: about stories. I totally up. It's fine, keep moving, But
Speaker 1: I suspect there's a thing where instead of just being like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's a really good surfer and she just is down,
Speaker 1: she like hangs out with a surfing group, like they
Speaker 1: have to justify her involvement as an ex or else.
Speaker 1: Why would there be some woman here, Why would a
Speaker 1: woman be a good surfer? Why is a woman hanging
Speaker 1: out in this house? That's not just background decoration. I
Speaker 1: think that that's like too much forethought for the writers.
Speaker 1: But I suspect that would be the you know, they
Speaker 1: just did it because that's what you do. You just
Speaker 1: write women as the love interest. But I suspect, like,
Speaker 1: if you really force someone to explain it, that would
Speaker 1: be the excuse, because otherwise, why would she even be there.
Speaker 1: God's depressing, Like she could not have come to surfing
Speaker 1: on her own. Yeah. And I think the other thing too,
Speaker 1: is that her character is very indicative of like the
Speaker 1: sort of rise that we start seeing in the nineties
Speaker 1: of perceived quote unquote strong female characters, where you know,
Speaker 1: you have these women who are very conventionally attractive and
Speaker 1: they they're sort of mouthy, right, Like she can kind
Speaker 1: of she's kind of like tough and cool like we're
Speaker 1: talking about earlier, um, but is still put in her place.
Speaker 1: She's still a love interest. She's still like kind of
Speaker 1: this side character in this this story about two men. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she basically only exists in the narrative in the context
Speaker 1: of her relationship to the men who are the main characters. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but she's like, you know, cool, right, because she gets
Speaker 1: to comment on like you know, they're they're talking about
Speaker 1: if you die doing what you love, it's worth it,
Speaker 1: and she's like too much testosterone for me. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: she'll make these these like comments about masculinity and she's like,
Speaker 1: you know, she'll she'll talk back, um, and she'll be
Speaker 1: quote unquote tough. But like that doesn't really matter because
Speaker 1: she's not important enough and she doesn't get to do
Speaker 1: anything with that. It's not actualized. Right, that never really
Speaker 1: pays because she's like big wave riding is for mucho
Speaker 1: assholes with a death wish, which is what happens at
Speaker 1: the end of the movie where does kill himself on
Speaker 1: a big wave. But I mean, yeah, like her like
Speaker 1: headstrongness so to speak, doesn't necessarily play into the narrative.
Speaker 1: It just gives her a little bit more characterization, but right,
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily important to the events of this story. Yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: And I feel like, you know, at the time, it
Speaker 1: was probably like man like, she's a really cool female
Speaker 1: character in comparison to all of the lack of options
Speaker 1: that we have in media during that time period, you know,
Speaker 1: especially because she's sad, short hair, she's got short hair, baldist,
Speaker 1: woman in charge there's not even enough. But there's not
Speaker 1: even another woman. There's not another woman. I have a
Speaker 1: very important question. What does speak into the microphone squid brain? Mean? Wait,
Speaker 1: at what point does that happen? Bucy says it when
Speaker 1: he like sticks a gun into someone's face, and I
Speaker 1: was like, speak into the microphone, squid brain, Like, really,
Speaker 1: how do you say that and not just have like
Speaker 1: a word cloud of insane things that you can say
Speaker 1: at any given moment. I mean, it probably means the
Speaker 1: same thing is I'm so hungry I could eat the
Speaker 1: as end out of a rhino. Or it means the
Speaker 1: same thing as vanish like a virgin on prom night,
Speaker 1: Or it means the same thing as are you through?
Speaker 1: Mr Wizard? Let me know if you find Jimmy Hoffa
Speaker 1: under the seat while you're at it, like his line
Speaker 1: to Sea World Kid. I did particularly like when Keanu
Speaker 1: said are we going to jump or jerk off? When
Speaker 1: they're all like dying on the plane. That was definitely
Speaker 1: a good They also said, uh, when they're skydiving and
Speaker 1: they're like debating like whether or not they should pull
Speaker 1: the rip chord, someone says we're gonna be meat waffles.
Speaker 1: Just what end on that note, We're gonna take another
Speaker 1: quick break and we'll be back in a second, and
Speaker 1: we are back. Um, I want to talk about So
Speaker 1: they're is a trend in this movie and across a
Speaker 1: bunch of movies where like during the bank robbing scenes
Speaker 1: or in like other movies, if you see like a
Speaker 1: hostage situation, I feel like women are more commonly threatened
Speaker 1: with violence or they're like thrown all around a lot more.
Speaker 1: They're screamed at more, they're like guns are pointed at
Speaker 1: them more, they're like thrown to the floor more. And
Speaker 1: I think the reason this happens, the reason this choice
Speaker 1: is made, is that women are perceived by society as
Speaker 1: being weaker and more delicate, So when they're threatened, it
Speaker 1: like heightens the tension more than it would if it
Speaker 1: was like a big, macho guy being thrown to the ground,
Speaker 1: because the implications always like she can't fight back, right exactly.
Speaker 1: So it's like the filmmaker's idea of like how can
Speaker 1: we like heighten the tension of this scene or how
Speaker 1: can we like really amplify the stakes. It's so ridiculous
Speaker 1: about that is in that scene that you're talking about,
Speaker 1: he's like, lady open up the vault, and she's like,
Speaker 1: Mr Manager has the keys, and so he's like, we
Speaker 1: just missed your manager. So then he's like, here, do
Speaker 1: whatever they want and gives her the keys to go
Speaker 1: and do the things so that it perpetuates exactly what
Speaker 1: you're talking about, as opposed to the dude with the
Speaker 1: keys just opening up the fucking vault right, like he
Speaker 1: just passes it off to her like that, what's come on?
Speaker 1: It's so yeah, it's bizarre. And then if you just
Speaker 1: see just like different moments of like extras, just like
Speaker 1: women being thrown violently to the floor, pushed around a
Speaker 1: gun how to her head? Like we see this all
Speaker 1: the time in movies like this, if there's like a
Speaker 1: bank robbery or something, and we perceive women as a
Speaker 1: society to be weaker because maybe we just see so
Speaker 1: much representation on screen of like quote unquote weak women
Speaker 1: who can't fight back or who you know, are super
Speaker 1: scared or whatever. But like, I don't know, like if
Speaker 1: we see stronger and more fearless women on screen, this
Speaker 1: wouldn't keep happening. Yeah, Well, and also challenging the notion
Speaker 1: of what string means, right, and I think we're seeing
Speaker 1: we are seeing more media that's doing that that like
Speaker 1: this historical notion of strength and toughness that comes from
Speaker 1: like male masculinity and like the hero hero archetype um women,
Speaker 1: they just threw onto female roles and was like, now
Speaker 1: you're strong. But like we I think we're slowly starting
Speaker 1: to see more female characters who are more nuanced, who
Speaker 1: are more flawed, who are more complex, and where strength
Speaker 1: comes from things that aren't just like physical violence or
Speaker 1: like stoicness. Yeah. And I would extend that same line
Speaker 1: of thought to the chase scene as well, because you
Speaker 1: see women sort of threatened with the possibility of violence,
Speaker 1: but also it's like, oh, we're running through their house
Speaker 1: without you know, asking to come in, so of course
Speaker 1: they're going to be naked because we need an excuse
Speaker 1: for nudity to appear. That always reminds me of die Hard,
Speaker 1: uh in the first scene of die Hard, where there's
Speaker 1: no reason for a woman to be topless, but they
Speaker 1: find a reason, Like we'll just have her be having
Speaker 1: sex with a random man. We will not see his
Speaker 1: he's he's wearing a shirt. She's totally topless, So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's just it's like every movie tries to
Speaker 1: throw in and this happens in video games all the
Speaker 1: fucking time, where it's like, oh, there has to be
Speaker 1: a strip club scene. Of course, yeah, there'll be like
Speaker 1: a business meeting at a strip club in movies where
Speaker 1: it's like, why are you meeting here? It's just it's
Speaker 1: like an excuse for titties. And it's also like a
Speaker 1: shorthand for like, these guys are cool, like or or
Speaker 1: or villain is I want to go back really cool?
Speaker 1: We didn't. We didn't talk about where the Tyler's storyline
Speaker 1: leaves off, which is also baffed and frustrating because I
Speaker 1: just want to make sure we hit on it. So
Speaker 1: Tyler is kidnapped by Swaysy's meanest boy and uh, the
Speaker 1: one who would actually kill her Rosie so yes, and
Speaker 1: and Swaysie's character, in order to keep the audience on
Speaker 1: board enough with him as a character, does this weird
Speaker 1: thing where he's like, yeah, I can never kill her.
Speaker 1: Fortunately I know someone who could though, and you're just like, okay,
Speaker 1: I guess he's like, but I don't actually wanted to die,
Speaker 1: like please Bedrock, sweetie. But we see Tyler at the end,
Speaker 1: she's released or she you know, and she's wearing this
Speaker 1: virginal slip, and she's wearing the white slip runs into
Speaker 1: Keyanu's arm. Keep in mind the last time they saw
Speaker 1: each other, she was shooting him exactly. And then you
Speaker 1: see what one of my favorite shitty dumb sequences in
Speaker 1: the scene was, which was him calling her on the
Speaker 1: phone over and over trying to apologize and just grappling
Speaker 1: with this. And he was just like, he's a tyler.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, these are so messed up. I was
Speaker 1: afraid you'd leave. And then he says and I quote, fuck,
Speaker 1: why can't I ever say what I really mean? And
Speaker 1: he puts the phone down, and I continues to do
Speaker 1: the message. I was just like, you did nothing up.
Speaker 1: That's on the message. Funk, my kid? Is he what
Speaker 1: they really mean? So good? I prepped you for that.
Speaker 1: Remember I would remember that I like pay attention. Yeah
Speaker 1: that was the line. Oh that I like how old?
Speaker 1: It is so funny. But but she doesn't talk to
Speaker 1: him because we were to assume she gets kidnapped immediately
Speaker 1: after running out of her own house naked with a
Speaker 1: gun whatever, But we we don't see her again. She
Speaker 1: runs into Kanu's arms, and as a call back to
Speaker 1: a problematic scene Plissa earlier in the movie, she's about
Speaker 1: to tell him that she loves him, and then he
Speaker 1: goes some other time, So she runs into his arms
Speaker 1: to say that she loves him, even though that doesn't
Speaker 1: make any logical sense, and then he goes shut up,
Speaker 1: and then she starts to make out with his neck
Speaker 1: while he has a conversation with another character. It's that's
Speaker 1: the last time was here. Yeah, that's it, Bye bye.
Speaker 1: We have to watch the pat Patrick Swayze commits surfing suicide.
Speaker 1: So the thing about the last scene, which again you
Speaker 1: just gotta not ask questions about this movie, which is
Speaker 1: the complete opposite of what we've been doing for an hour.
Speaker 1: But so the FBI has no jurisdiction internationally. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: somehow Keanu reeves the rookie cop that he's already hated
Speaker 1: by his boss, gets to travel around the world trying
Speaker 1: to track down this one dude that robbed some banks.
Speaker 1: A couple of times he finds him, then he lets
Speaker 1: him go, and then he's like, I'm done, and he
Speaker 1: throws his badge into the ocean, as if he wasn't
Speaker 1: already fired, right did he quit? Like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what that like. That's insinuation is that he's like, I
Speaker 1: did the one thing I needed to do and now
Speaker 1: I can quit. And you're like, like, you didn't do it,
Speaker 1: but you didn't do it? Is his death satisfaction to you?
Speaker 1: Is that? What? Like what you've been seeking for a year?
Speaker 1: I I interpreted it as well. No, Actually that wouldn't
Speaker 1: make sense either, where he's like he wanted to watch
Speaker 1: Patrick Swayzey die, but he didn't want to be the
Speaker 1: one to do it himself. Maybe I think he just
Speaker 1: wanted justice quote unquote right, like you're a bad guy,
Speaker 1: so you have to be taken down and like people
Speaker 1: died and ship, right and so but he's still Kanu
Speaker 1: has a soft heart and was like it's okay that
Speaker 1: you die doing brain Yeah. And also in the year
Speaker 1: he's traveling around the world. What's Tyler doing? Right? Is
Speaker 1: she there? Where they break up? Like immediately after if
Speaker 1: she had any sense, she would be like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I was just overcome with emotion because I was kidnapped.
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, this doesn't make a lot of sense. Well,
Speaker 1: they're they're romantic relationship is very similar to ones that
Speaker 1: we see in movies all the time, where it's so underdeveloped.
Speaker 1: We're not really sure why they like each other, aside
Speaker 1: from the fact that they're both attractive people and that
Speaker 1: they're near each other. So like, I guess you could
Speaker 1: argue that she feels a connection to him because he
Speaker 1: had a similar experience with the death of his parents,
Speaker 1: which he didn't actually have, and he was just lying
Speaker 1: to her about that. But like, other than that, she
Speaker 1: like very quickly falls in love with him. They've only
Speaker 1: been dating for like two weeks, Like the timeline on
Speaker 1: this movie is pretty short, so when you're on the
Speaker 1: beach though, but like body says something to Johnny Utah
Speaker 1: where he's just like, you know, she does love your man,
Speaker 1: Like she never felt that way about me, like I
Speaker 1: can tell. So it's just like, well, why do you
Speaker 1: love him again? Like it's just the I know, I
Speaker 1: know why she like opens up to him, and that's
Speaker 1: because he lies to her about dead parents. Because when
Speaker 1: you have a trauma and someone else has the same trauma,
Speaker 1: you immediately fall in love with You have to be
Speaker 1: in love. That's that's what the movies of timing and
Speaker 1: if they're lying about it too late. You're already in love.
Speaker 1: You can't get out of that. I would like to
Speaker 1: see how many scenes Keanu Reeves is in and where
Speaker 1: he it's that last scene, you know, like where she
Speaker 1: runs up and they're like kissing and they're like, we
Speaker 1: love each other after this horrible thing just happened, because
Speaker 1: it's the exact same scene in Speed Ye yeah, and
Speaker 1: they make the joke and Speed about how like relationships
Speaker 1: that are built on whatever, fucking like a trauma bond,
Speaker 1: like yeah, it never lasts, and they're like's to love you?
Speaker 1: I just like, how many movies does that happen in
Speaker 1: with Kenna Reeves? I would like that super cut. So
Speaker 1: if somebody could make that in sentence to me, I
Speaker 1: would really appreciate. It's the implication there that someone can
Speaker 1: only fall in love with Kanary as if they've recently
Speaker 1: been through a tragedy, like you can't fall in love
Speaker 1: with them in regular life. Well, in the Matron she
Speaker 1: falls in them because that was a prophecy. Well, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen that movies just as important as talking about
Speaker 1: the only female character in the movie. I do think
Speaker 1: that it's interesting to explore a little bit just how
Speaker 1: masculinity is in hyper masculinity is portrayed in this particular
Speaker 1: movie because the two cents real friendships between men that
Speaker 1: we see in this movie are Swayzy Abusey, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but give me that Kianu Abusi and Kianu and Swayze
Speaker 1: two very different friendships, but both are rooted in hyper
Speaker 1: masculine like adrenaline rushes, where like Abusey and Keanu get
Speaker 1: off on the adrenaline rush of like police where the police,
Speaker 1: and then Swayzie and Keanu get off on like surfing
Speaker 1: and planes, and like it's two different types of the
Speaker 1: same relation planes surfing and planes. They're like we're recreational
Speaker 1: testosterone and we're professional testosterone. And you know, it's like
Speaker 1: the Swayze is the weekend guy or whatever. But I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just weird to see both friendships
Speaker 1: are based in the same like they're always doing stuff
Speaker 1: instead of talking about stuff. And that's also the root
Speaker 1: of most of their problem. This is because they're always
Speaker 1: doing stuff and not talking about stuff. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's definitely a very specific type of masculinity. The whole
Speaker 1: film is that is the same kind of like bullshit,
Speaker 1: which hilariously Tyler tries to call out, but also doesn't
Speaker 1: matter at all, right, Like it it's just so yeah,
Speaker 1: it's such a throwaway line. The only way she calls
Speaker 1: it out too, is by like stating it and then
Speaker 1: leaving this scene, right and so continue but this time
Speaker 1: without me, and she's still friends with them, so like,
Speaker 1: if she was that bothered by it, she wouldn't be
Speaker 1: hanging out with these guys, but she remains friends with them,
Speaker 1: so it's like, Okay, well, you're not that disgusted by
Speaker 1: their toxic masculinity, So it's just like, what's the point
Speaker 1: then if you're gonna have a character make a comment
Speaker 1: on it, but then like there's no follow through or
Speaker 1: there's no repercussions. It's a it's like a have your
Speaker 1: cake and eat it. To kind of where we were
Speaker 1: talking about this recently in the Aladdin episode, where it's
Speaker 1: like there's a bunch of like Disney Renaissance princesses that
Speaker 1: are like kind of what you're saying earlier, inn to
Speaker 1: of like here's a character who will technically say some
Speaker 1: of the right things, but they're saying that has no
Speaker 1: impact on what happens. So it's you know, it's almost
Speaker 1: for like male creatives to be like, well we said so,
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, but it had no impact and
Speaker 1: nothing happened as a result of it. So why say
Speaker 1: it other than to be able to say you said
Speaker 1: it later? You mean when Princess Jasmine says I am
Speaker 1: not surprised to be one and then Aladdin wins her, yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty minutes later. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, just like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if there's like a name for for when
Speaker 1: that happens, but it happens so frequently, and especially in
Speaker 1: movies of this era. And then also, okay, so are
Speaker 1: we It sounds like Point Break Live references this the
Speaker 1: like homoerotic undertones direct me to them, Like where where
Speaker 1: the specific moments people pick out in this movie as
Speaker 1: that is it the holding hands jumping out of the
Speaker 1: plane scene. I thought they were going to try to
Speaker 1: kill Kianu in that scene. That's where I went into
Speaker 1: that scene, being like, they're going to kill him and
Speaker 1: then it turns out that they're just they're friends. That
Speaker 1: scene makes no sense in the movie. It doesn't need
Speaker 1: to be there. It's so serves no purpose. Except to
Speaker 1: maybe that it pays off a little later when they
Speaker 1: go sky diving again, but that also doesn't need to happen.
Speaker 1: Like I think someone was just like, we gotta sky
Speaker 1: diving in this surfing movie. I'm trying to remember now
Speaker 1: because when I just watched it again yesterday, and I
Speaker 1: feel like I've watched it so many times that I
Speaker 1: don't even notice it anymore. But I know for sure
Speaker 1: them like being on top of each other in the
Speaker 1: sky and being like pull the cord. No, you pull
Speaker 1: the cord. You pull the cord. Now you pull the
Speaker 1: cord um, and and because Swayze is like he's so,
Speaker 1: here's the thing is I think Patrick Swayze is just
Speaker 1: like the cats me out. Speaking of cats, cats do
Speaker 1: have eight nipples, as this cat facts with Caitlin Go.
Speaker 1: He's just he's so like kind of hippy dippy that
Speaker 1: he's just like he's got a lot of charm and
Speaker 1: ship it. And so I think he's just like hey
Speaker 1: kind of all the time. And Kanu is trying to
Speaker 1: like get close to that, and so there's just moments
Speaker 1: where you're like I can see this fan fiction very clearly, right,
Speaker 1: Like it's just kind of around, So I feel very
Speaker 1: underprepared because I feel like I should know the answer
Speaker 1: to this. Oh no, no, I mean that was where
Speaker 1: I was guessing it was, but I just didn't know
Speaker 1: if there was anything I was missing. Yeah, And also
Speaker 1: the other thing is like I always feel like Tina
Speaker 1: Belcher watching this movie because I'm like butts so many
Speaker 1: look at all of the butts, the butt that says
Speaker 1: I'm not a crook. It's like, this is a wild
Speaker 1: but Yeah. And I mean, and their friendship it's weird
Speaker 1: because it's made to be the kind of the purer
Speaker 1: of the two friendships, but it's also kind of sold
Speaker 1: up by the fact that Patrick Swayzy is also an
Speaker 1: unrepentant criminal and kind of an anarchist. And he says
Speaker 1: the line you project strength to avoid conflict, which really
Speaker 1: just like boils down a lot of male character motivation
Speaker 1: down in a pretty crystallized way. I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: it's a weird friendship. And then Kanu also needs the
Speaker 1: satisfaction of watching Patrick swayzey die via surfing, and you know,
Speaker 1: he's just got to get that justice because you know,
Speaker 1: the victims here are the banks. We all feel so
Speaker 1: sorry for the banks that got robbed. He's got to
Speaker 1: make sure that there's justice. I would like to know
Speaker 1: the psychological profiles of how they determined which president they
Speaker 1: all wanted to be. Also addendum or additional statement is
Speaker 1: that they very specifically created that flaming gas station scenes
Speaker 1: so that they could have Ronald Reagan with a giant
Speaker 1: fucking blowtorch, like blowing forge or yeah, which I mean.
Speaker 1: And I enjoyed watching that, sure, I thought it was fun.
Speaker 1: I think that some of the like the homoerotic stuff
Speaker 1: people talk about in terms of like masculine relationships and
Speaker 1: like masculine love and like the close like trying to
Speaker 1: get close or trying to figure out how to be
Speaker 1: close one another. And clearly Johnny Utah has some like
Speaker 1: admiration and interest in being more like body right, like
Speaker 1: even though he's trying to like take him down, he's
Speaker 1: like like he's like I'm fucking surfing and like hanging
Speaker 1: out and having a really good time with them and
Speaker 1: like trying to get in on this inner circle in
Speaker 1: a way that's like you could almost see the extension
Speaker 1: of like I want to be this guy and like
Speaker 1: I want to be with him or I want to
Speaker 1: be him or I don't know the difference between these things.
Speaker 1: You know, well, we all want to be BODI, so
Speaker 1: I get it clearly, especially with the banks. Yeah, those banks,
Speaker 1: the banks. I want to go through my list of
Speaker 1: all the reasons why Johnny Utah and Papas are terrible
Speaker 1: at being undercover FBI agents, So real quick, Okay. So
Speaker 1: they both show up in suits looking exactly like cops
Speaker 1: to a surf shop to buy a surfboard. Then they're
Speaker 1: both of the beach. There's people all around who can
Speaker 1: hear Johnny say, you're telling me that the FBI is
Speaker 1: going to pay me to learn how to surf, so,
Speaker 1: you know, everyone like they're just in plain sight, everyone
Speaker 1: can hear, and he's, you know, screaming about being in
Speaker 1: the FBI. Then after Tyler saves him, he screams out
Speaker 1: his real name and she's like, I don't care, which
Speaker 1: I loved. Yeah, And then a bunch of people who
Speaker 1: turn out to be the people that he is trying
Speaker 1: to take down as the ex presidents all recognize him
Speaker 1: as a college football star and they know his real name.
Speaker 1: If they just did a little bit of research, they
Speaker 1: could like figure out that he's in the FBI. We
Speaker 1: know computers exist because there's a hacker and there's uh,
Speaker 1: Patrick Swayzey's trunk computer. I was actually thinking about this though,
Speaker 1: because I was like, oh, this was like pre wide
Speaker 1: scale adoption of the Internet, so you couldn't just google him,
Speaker 1: and he was in the FBI, so I was a
Speaker 1: little I was slightly more forgiving about that, even though
Speaker 1: it's clearly stupid. But then there's some other stuff that happens,
Speaker 1: which like Papa's is near the beach, parked in what's
Speaker 1: clearly like an undercover cop car, scoping things out with
Speaker 1: binoculars in plain sight, and then Johnny is talking to
Speaker 1: him on a walkie talkie in the middle of the beach,
Speaker 1: again in plain sight. So they're just like, yeah, let's
Speaker 1: use our like binoculars and walkie talking us just where
Speaker 1: everyone can see us. They both miss the bank robbery
Speaker 1: that's taking place like a hundred yards away because they're
Speaker 1: so focused on sandwiches. I was like, surely the sandwiches
Speaker 1: will become relevant at some point. They never do. He's like,
Speaker 1: I need to meatball sandwiches. He we see him order
Speaker 1: them meat ball sandwiches. He comes back with the meat
Speaker 1: po sandwiches because he's like, man, maybe I should have
Speaker 1: gotten three meat bos sandwiches. Um those okay? So Kiano
Speaker 1: orders to meat ball sandwiches, one tune a sandwich for himself,
Speaker 1: and two lemonades and it only cost four in today's money.
Speaker 1: I did the inflation calculator. That's it have went to
Speaker 1: fourteen dollars and thirty two cents, which is still very
Speaker 1: cheap for three sandwiches and two lemonades. Like, what's that
Speaker 1: all about? What area of l A are they? And
Speaker 1: truly the point is is that they are extremely bad.
Speaker 1: And then like Johnny Utah leaves his badge out where
Speaker 1: Tyler can find it. He's so bad, it's not everyone
Speaker 1: knows his identity and he basically tells every single person
Speaker 1: in the movie that he is an undercover FBI agent.
Speaker 1: This movie is so well, I mean, this is this
Speaker 1: is a movie that is not progressive in literally any way.
Speaker 1: The world did not move forward really in any way
Speaker 1: because it was made. However, I really enjoyed it and
Speaker 1: I would recommend people watch it and watch it with friends. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, we should find the people who do Point
Speaker 1: Break Live to come back for like one reunion for
Speaker 1: us that would be amazing. Yeah, and the fact that
Speaker 1: it did inspire media spinoffs like that also make me
Speaker 1: happy it exists. Yeah. Yeah, And um, what's this base
Speaker 1: hot Fuzz which I actually haven't seen. Oh yes, there's
Speaker 1: so much of Point Breaking that one of the characters
Speaker 1: is like talking to Simon Peg and he's just like,
Speaker 1: if you ever pulled out your gun and then shot
Speaker 1: it into the air and went ah, And then he doesn't,
Speaker 1: But then that character gets to do it later in
Speaker 1: the movie. It's great. Um. One last thing I wanted
Speaker 1: to say is that I do think it's cool that
Speaker 1: a woman got to direct like a popular action movie
Speaker 1: in the early nineties. Um, because that's a genre that
Speaker 1: women usually do not get to direct, because in the
Speaker 1: off chance that a woman is hired to direct a movie,
Speaker 1: it's usually either a rom com or like a romantic drama.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, this is so cool that
Speaker 1: like a woman directed Point Break. You know of a
Speaker 1: famous popular action flick that resonates with a lot of
Speaker 1: especially men. So I was like, Okay, that's cool. But
Speaker 1: as we've said, like, I was counter that with being
Speaker 1: like I would wager that the reason she got to
Speaker 1: do that is because she played the game and directed
Speaker 1: it like most men would exactly at that time. I
Speaker 1: don't know, because again this is a Michael Bay movie
Speaker 1: in that the actors are almost always screaming their lines.
Speaker 1: The lines are extremely corny and terrible. The line reads
Speaker 1: are bad, and there's like over the top action sequences.
Speaker 1: Like everything screams Michael Bay. I mean you didn't love
Speaker 1: the line? I guess we must have an asshole shortage.
Speaker 1: Not so far, I love every single line. I still thinking,
Speaker 1: ha ha ha ha ha ha. This Calvin and Hobbs
Speaker 1: is funny. Hey, get me a meat boss switch. Still
Speaker 1: one of the wilder trains of thoughts I've ever encountered.
Speaker 1: Does anyone have any other thoughts about the movie? I
Speaker 1: mean so many? Like do vaults just have small piles
Speaker 1: of money in them? That would have vaults actually looks like?
Speaker 1: I think that's an important question. Yeah, just unsealed lose money.
Speaker 1: It's just like the floor is covered in pennies in
Speaker 1: this version of the basically The Cave of Wonders. Yes,
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen point breaks added to the list
Speaker 1: when you go to revisit cult classics, this is definitely
Speaker 1: one to make sure you catch and don't add me
Speaker 1: when you don't like it. I don't want to hear.
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear about it. Shall we determine
Speaker 1: whether or not this movie passes the Bechtel test? Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: obviously not even close to Women do not even interact.
Speaker 1: I think the only scene where there are two women
Speaker 1: in the same scene together is when they do the raid.
Speaker 1: For like all those aggro surfer dudes, one of them
Speaker 1: is the party scene. Oh, that is right, but I
Speaker 1: don't think any women interact there. I'd like to propose
Speaker 1: a new addendum to the Bechtel tests, which is that
Speaker 1: if a woman talks to a meatball sandwich, it passes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it passed. Even if the meat sandwich does not verbally respond.
Speaker 1: Even if the meat ball sandwich identifies male, it passes.
Speaker 1: I will bat I will send that motion, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. But yeah, so women do not interact at all.
Speaker 1: There's the scene in like the Raid, where there's one
Speaker 1: woman who's wearing a bikini and woman one woman who
Speaker 1: is wearing nothing, and uh, they're both I guess they're
Speaker 1: fighting off the FBI. That I mean, we didn't that
Speaker 1: scene is just wild. All the men are dressed like
Speaker 1: fully dressed, not even like partially dressed, and all the
Speaker 1: women are not, which is amusing in the opposite of
Speaker 1: the definition of that word. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense why they're both barely wearing anything or wearing
Speaker 1: nothing at all. But so yeah, does not pass the
Speaker 1: Bechdel test. Let's rate the movie on our nipple scale
Speaker 1: serie to five nipples based on its portrayal and representation
Speaker 1: of women. Um, I'm going to have to give this
Speaker 1: like a half nipple. Yeah. I suppose that Tyler, if
Speaker 1: you just sort of isolate her and take the things
Speaker 1: that she says in terms of like not being impressed
Speaker 1: with toxic masculinity and like not wanting to be around
Speaker 1: too much test tossterone and you know, being an athlete
Speaker 1: women athletes, that's pretty cool. We don't get to see
Speaker 1: that much in film. You know, she's good at what
Speaker 1: she does, like a man needs her to help him
Speaker 1: learn how to surf, but those just feel like you
Speaker 1: see her doing it, and it's like usually when you yeah,
Speaker 1: like when you hear that women are good at a
Speaker 1: thing that you don't, you just hear it. You don't
Speaker 1: actually see it, so that you know, that's one thing,
Speaker 1: and there is the absence unless I miss something, There
Speaker 1: is the absence of that moment that I was kind
Speaker 1: of waiting for, which is like the moment where we
Speaker 1: see her because surfing and all the dudes are like, whoa,
Speaker 1: she can do? Well we do because that that that
Speaker 1: was a moment I was waiting for that fortunately did
Speaker 1: not come. That's true, it's nice, but those things all
Speaker 1: feel like shallow victories, especially with Whoa not even in turns,
Speaker 1: but considering all the other things that happened in the movie,
Speaker 1: where like basically her existence in the story is only
Speaker 1: to be the romantic interest and then to later be
Speaker 1: kidnapped and used as leverage for the male hero, the
Speaker 1: male gaze shots of pretty much all the women you
Speaker 1: see in the movie, which is again hardly any of them,
Speaker 1: the total lack of women of color, just everything about
Speaker 1: it is not handled well. So um, her treatment in
Speaker 1: the movie is like very very stereotypical like action movies,
Speaker 1: and it does feel weird that coming from a movie
Speaker 1: directed by a woman. It's a bizarre paradox. Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: basically mistreated or her character is mishandled in every regard
Speaker 1: throughout the whole movie, and it gets one half nipple
Speaker 1: from me, And I will give that half nipple too.
Speaker 1: I'll give it just right back to Lori Petty. Good
Speaker 1: for her. Yeah, I'm gonna give the movie one nipple,
Speaker 1: even for the reasons you stated. I also think that
Speaker 1: this is an example of, you know, the fact that
Speaker 1: just because a woman is in a key creative role
Speaker 1: in the movie does not mean that it's a feminist text, uh,
Speaker 1: and that that is just a thing that exists in
Speaker 1: the world. Not all women are feminists, and not all
Speaker 1: media created by women are pro woman, just on the
Speaker 1: merit that it was created by a woman, which is
Speaker 1: unfortunate but true. I also could understand I'd be interested
Speaker 1: in hearing Katherine Bigela speak on this now. But you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a number of reasons I could I
Speaker 1: could guess why her movies were not treating women especially
Speaker 1: well at this particular point in history. Um, would the
Speaker 1: job have been taken from her if she had brought
Speaker 1: stuff up with it? You know, I'd be interested in
Speaker 1: hearing more about what she thought. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think you covered it pretty succinctly, Caitlin. Uh, And
Speaker 1: I would just like to bring up the fact that
Speaker 1: there was a female hacker, and uh, that is I
Speaker 1: don't even think she was hacking. I think she was
Speaker 1: just looking up information on their database that they had
Speaker 1: easy access to. Well, as a hacker, I can say
Speaker 1: that googling is actually hacking. So giving your data to
Speaker 1: Google is hacking, and giving your data to Zuckerberg and
Speaker 1: Bezos is hacking. So I'm a hacker just by having
Speaker 1: a Facebook profile. Do you have a computer, Yes, then
Speaker 1: you're a hacker there. Uh so, and then of course
Speaker 1: feminist icon woman who sells me ball sandwiches. So so
Speaker 1: I'll give it one nipple, and I'm going to give
Speaker 1: the nipple to the bill sandwich. Great, yeah, Anita, Uh,
Speaker 1: can we give minus nipples? I guess that would be
Speaker 1: the absence of women. You can do whatever. You know,
Speaker 1: there were there were women. There bodies were in this movie.
Speaker 1: I will do one, maybe three quarters of it. I
Speaker 1: literally when you said half nipple, grabbed my chest because
Speaker 1: I felt the pain of just putting that out there. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll round up to one nipple, just because I really
Speaker 1: like Lori Petty, you know, like I remember, you know,
Speaker 1: like tank Girl and stuff like so I just have
Speaker 1: fond memories of her, and I think she tries to
Speaker 1: push back, even though she can't really because she's a
Speaker 1: fictional character and they wrote a shitty role for her.
Speaker 1: But I appreciate the attempts, and I appreciate her being
Speaker 1: good at surfing, because when you see women who are
Speaker 1: good at surfing. But I also grew clearly everything else.
Speaker 1: You all said that this is super objectifying and male
Speaker 1: gazey and the absence women in general in any important role.
Speaker 1: So you know you don't watch Point Break for the women. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you watch it for hacking, and specially for the scenes
Speaker 1: where there's hacking. Well, adya, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: for coming on. This was one of my favorite movies
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my life. I'm so glad I
Speaker 1: could have hide that for you. I didn't realize that
Speaker 1: was true until it's coming out of my mouth. Wait,
Speaker 1: except you watched it in three parts, it would take
Speaker 1: me three days to watch it literally. Anytime. That said,
Speaker 1: it is one of my favorite movies of all time.
Speaker 1: Oh Alpha Billina, No, Alpha Billina could have been any
Speaker 1: of the surfers body Yeah, give me a topless Molina
Speaker 1: in films? Also, where's the chest hair in the movie?
Speaker 1: And everyone is a very smooth movie. Can I just
Speaker 1: say a very smooth movie? Yes, not a criticism, just
Speaker 1: some observation. I think Alpha Blina could have really brought
Speaker 1: some representation of Harry cha hair. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for being here. Where can people follow you online? Is
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