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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversation. I am your host with

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Speaker 1: Sean McDonald. It's time to stop reading other people's success

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Speaker 1: stories and really come on y'all and start writing your own,

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Speaker 1: don't let your age, friends, family, or coworkers stop you

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Speaker 1: from planning or living your dreams. The interviews I do

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Speaker 1: people this. Successful people can tell you how to be

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Speaker 1: successful because they are successful. My next gust is very successful.

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Speaker 1: She's back and she's healthy. She's Sean Robinson. She's a

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Speaker 1: proud graduate of HBCU. We always talk about this every time.

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Speaker 1: Spellman in Atlanta University in Atlanta, Georgia. Spellman. She's an

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Speaker 1: Emmy winning and journalist, TV host, producer, and philanthropist. She's

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Speaker 1: an executive producer on the new Lifetime Originals movies Lust

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Speaker 1: A Seven Deadly Sin Story and Envy that's back to

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Speaker 1: All in her Foundation, which I always have to talk about,

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Speaker 1: a Sean Foundation for Girls with Nurtures and supports underserved

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Speaker 1: and underrepresented girls and young women in the areas of

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Speaker 1: Been a long time. Ms. Sean rob Hello, my friend,

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Speaker 1: how are you. It's so great to be back here.

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Speaker 1: Let me put the word executive producer, Sean Robinson, because

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Speaker 1: you know it's Sean. We've known each other a long

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Speaker 1: time originally of course, you know we use hosting the

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Speaker 1: entertainment magazine show that journey to this journey. We don't

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Speaker 1: see it, but it's happening now. And you and you're

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Speaker 1: so popular on your LinkedIn. You know, people really resonate

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Speaker 1: with your motivational quotes and your your lifestyle. You really

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Speaker 1: are starting to find your voice, and maybe you've always

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Speaker 1: Tell us about that. Well, thank you so much for Joan.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciated and uh, you know, just being here

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Speaker 1: I'm all about, uh, you know, helping to motivate people

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Speaker 1: know that was definitely a you know, a game changer

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Speaker 1: producer he is. And not only that, um, but his

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Speaker 1: And so you know, for me, one of the lessons was,

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Speaker 1: And I felt that this partnership definitely was perfect for

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Speaker 1: it's a I think it's a lesson for for all

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Speaker 1: Well you know, um, you've always been intentional. I know

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Speaker 1: what Eivera Dovenet is doing as so many other people

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Speaker 1: Shonda Rhimes is doing right now. You're going to put

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Speaker 1: I want to share stories. I want to tell family stories,

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Speaker 1: stories that can change people's lives. That's key right there,

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Speaker 1: change people's lives and make their lives better. Fan congratulations

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Speaker 1: how did you really handle the pandemic? And then to

636
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: b start, you know, putting yourself in the position where

637
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: you've got all these properties that are happened in one

638
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: and they will extend into let's walk through that pandemic

639
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: shutdown and then starting to come out of it, out

640
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: of the pandemic funk. Yeah, so interesting. The pandemic hit

641
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: us all, and you know we're all unprepared and not

642
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: ready for that one, especially not to be out of

643
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: commission for nearly a year or more for some people.

644
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: UM Empire ended abruptly two episodes, shy of finishing our

645
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: sixth season, our six in final season. So it's sent

646
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: me home to l a Um much like the rest

647
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: of the world pretty much in shock. Um and the

648
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: year continued on as we know it is, trying to

649
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: figure out health and family and figure out what's what's next.

650
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: Thank god. Um I I did like I don't know,

651
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: a hundred self tape auditions throughout Quarantine, and and you know,

652
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: towards the end when things started opening back up is

653
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: when I kind of broke through, and um I landed

654
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: my first lead role Envy, which is the first thing

655
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: I shot out of Quarantine back in December something like that.

656
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: Um So that was basically how it happened for me.

657
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: Quarantine was very much of a test um and a trial. UM.

658
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: I learned a lot about myself and a lot about

659
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: my family. It was a much needed break though, because

660
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,479
Speaker 1: I was going for six seasons straight of Empire, which

661
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: is like six years um And it was definitely a

662
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: much needed break that I needed for just to be

663
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: still and and be in the moment. But you're an

664
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: amazing thing about because we all know Hollywood is, and

665
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: you know, you can get on the series and you

666
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: just buy a new car. That might be the biggest

667
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: nestake because they can get canceled and to be on

668
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: a series that you know, just just I mean, it

669
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: was a rocket ship launched for that series because it

670
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: did something that never happened in the history of television.

671
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: It grew every week. It just kept getting bigger and

672
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: bigger and bigger and so and you own that launching pad.

673
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: Tell us how it affected you. It is all positive,

674
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: but nobody you know you. You just get on the show.

675
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: First of all. You get on show it happy to

676
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: be working, first of all. Let's get that out the way.

677
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: Happy to get to working, to pay some checks. And

678
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: you wanted to keep working so you can build some

679
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: momentum and put some money in the account and call

680
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: yourself a working actor or actress. Talk about this, that

681
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: whole beginning portion of the Empire explosion. Well, for me,

682
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 1: you're absolutely correct. For me, starting Empire was very different.

683
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: Was my first kind of TV role UM and UM

684
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: it was just that so many first experiences dealing with

685
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: Empire and in the new phase the new found success

686
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: around it. Obviously, by the third fourth episode, we were

687
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: the leading numbers um TV since I think they said

688
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: since the Cosby Show. So it was. It was huge

689
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 1: all over the world, which which also made it differently

690
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 1: because it was you know, main TV Fox, So, UM,

691
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: it was a lot of adjusting For me. I was

692
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: nineteen at the time, and um, I was coming straight

693
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: from college at that time, and I was I was

694
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: just you know, taking the punches as they roll and

695
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: and learning so much and working so extremely hard on

696
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: that show. I a lot of my earlier performances on

697
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: the show was um dancing dance, big dance numbers, and

698
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: so I would rehearse, you know, twelve sixteen hours, shoot

699
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: for sixteen to eighteen hours while wearing heels, while having

700
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: to reside lines. It was it was boot camp for me, um,

701
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: to be honest, And I'm so grateful for the experience though,

702
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: because I know what hard work is and how to

703
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: make you know, something's glamorous, its empire, how to make

704
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: that happen. Yeah, it's really wonderful because, like you said, uh,

705
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: coming from African American perspective to see the explosion of

706
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: color program or brown color program or African American programming.

707
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: You know, I'm so happy that you got the experience

708
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: disawakening of Hollywood where you have options and to be

709
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: in a series of Lifetime. You know it is executive

710
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: produced by Sean Robinson, the Bishop TV Jake's or lifetime

711
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 1: starring role. Okay, now, did did did Empire prepare you

712
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: for the starring roles? Sorea. Um, Empire definitely did. I

713
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: would say I would give things to Empire for so many,

714
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: so many gross spurts in my career. Um, definitely, I've

715
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 1: had a lot of training. Um, I've I'm always wanted

716
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: to get better at my craft. So on my off time,

717
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: I was taking acting classes actually by Tasha Smith at

718
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: her acting school and she's also was on Empire. Yes, Um,

719
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: I love her, I adore her. Um, but I was

720
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: always I'm always looking to get better at everything I do.

721
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: So that was something that I self invested in all

722
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: my off time to make sure that when I got

723
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: any other type of role, I would be ready for

724
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: it and I know how to attack it, you know,

725
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,479
Speaker 1: head first. Um. For me, it was it was more

726
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: of a destiny thing how I ended up on Empire.

727
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: So I didn't go to acting school. Uh, but I

728
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: definitely invested myself into time into doing that on my

729
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: off time. Okay, now, okay, now, so you told me

730
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: some information. You said Rashan it was a destiny thing

731
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: about Empire. I didn't go to acting school, but you

732
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: left that, So how did you get to role? Yes,

733
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: So basically what happened is I was I had just

734
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: enrolled into college. Um, I was going to a community

735
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: college in in l A. And my one of my

736
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: good friends called me, and I was doing some modeling

737
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: at that time, some print work. I just did not

738
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: have a theatrical agent at the time, which a theatrical

739
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: agent helps you get roles in on TV and uh words,

740
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: speaking characters and things like that. So U my friend

741
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: called me and he's he's kin of Lee Daniels. And

742
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: he said, you know my uncle Wholice Lee Daniels. I

743
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: didn't know this. This is this is getting out of hand. Okay,

744
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: So he's kid too, you know, some country talking, you

745
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: know that, right, he's kid to Lee Daniels. I didn't

746
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 1: know Duke Daniels. You know all Lee days at that point,

747
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: you know Oscar all all this stuff. This is Lee Daniel,

748
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: Lee Daniel. And so your little natanyo behind at community

749
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: college because seeing Dan look beautiful continue with just I'm

750
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: just sitting up there all up with you. Yeah, yeah,

751
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Yeah. And so he told me, you know,

752
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, they're they've been looking for this character.

753
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: They've been auditioning, you know, they've auditioned all over the world.

754
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: At this point, for for the whole cast of Empire UM,

755
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: and they haven't found their girl. And I said, well,

756
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: of course I would love to audition. You know. I

757
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: sent him all my stuff and he sent it to

758
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: the people of Powers that Be UM and they said, yeah,

759
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: let's see her. She has a great look. And I

760
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: auditioned about two or three times and we got a

761
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: call from Lee Daniel saying, she we love her, she's perfect.

762
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: She has the audition for Fox. UM. So I auditioned

763
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: for Fox. I went to Fox Network in Beverly Hills

764
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: and I auditioned there and I got the role, and

765
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: they shipped me to Chicago first out there. Now, Chicago

766
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: one of my favorite cities, by the way, So you're

767
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: going you're in great stumping grounds. Of course, the winter.

768
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: You learned some things about Chicago wintertime. You better you

769
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: better learn how to dress in Chicago for winter, because

770
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: it's not like any other winter, l a girl. You

771
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: learned that, right, absolutely, absolutely absolutely. Now here's the beauty

772
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: of this conversation. Because you told me earlier you're taking

773
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: acting classes now with Tasha smith soud meant that when

774
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: you was auditioning all that was natural, correct, Yes, Okay, Okay,

775
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: now let's let's talk about confidence. What what what allowed you?

776
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: Because I can't act. I'm gonna just be honest it.

777
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: I can't act. I can do stand up comedy. I

778
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: can motivate you, I can interview you. But put the

779
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: script in front of me, I fall apart. What what?

780
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 1: What natural skill did you have allowed you to get

781
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 1: through that audition? Because you have to have confidence because

782
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 1: they kept asking you to come back, so you had

783
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: no background on how do I do our change up?

784
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: Do I get louder? What do I do? Were you?

785
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: Were you talking to anybody between the auditions? SURRAYA or what? No? No,

786
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 1: no no. At the time, it was me and my mom.

787
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: She stayed up with me going over lines, and we

788
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 1: just kind of took it to the approach that we think,

789
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: you know, it was pretty straightforward, um, that we think

790
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: it should have and and it worked the first time,

791
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: so we're like, let's do the same thing. Um. I

792
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: just made sure I was off the book obviously that

793
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: that means that I memorized everything and um and yeah,

794
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: I went in there the second time and we had

795
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: to because it's the music show, we had to sing

796
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:43,479
Speaker 1: and I had to sing rep and recite lines because

797
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: you gotta killing. I can't wrap, I can't sing, so

798
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: your boys already out. You know, I'm already out. Okay,

799
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: it was It was very nerve wracking, but but I

800
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 1: got through it and I think, um, well, obviously they

801
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: loved it. And you know what was really cool that

802
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: you brought up. I'm sorry not to go off topic

803
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: too much, but um, you brought up about African Americans,

804
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: and it was really dope that the character I just

805
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: came as myself and at this time I had big,

806
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: my big, curly hair and that's just how my hair is.

807
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: It was my whole life. And that made such a

808
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: huge impact that I had no idea that would on

809
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: TV because I didn't realize that so many African American

810
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: actresses didn't wear their natural hair on TV. I didn't

811
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: know that, and so when I appeared with my big

812
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: AFROCA box network, UM, it was I have so many

813
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: young black girls and in so many uh natural community

814
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: and natural uh companies for hair that reached out to

815
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: me and I it was it was really awesome to

816
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: um have an impact on people in that way. He

817
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: was the funny part about it. A lot of people

818
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: thought it wasn't real, right, I because that wasn't That's

819
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: not normal. That's not normal, you know. But if you've

820
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: been we've been straight. Oh that's our hair. That's she's

821
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: wearing a wig. That's not our hair. That's not a hair.

822
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: And that's why, you know, watching the series and watching

823
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: you grow, because it's really interesting when I watched young

824
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 1: talent like you, because you're special, believe in your special

825
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: you gifted. And but I want to ask this other

826
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: question before we moved to the series and talk about

827
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: Envy A seven daily scenes, because I want to talk

828
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: about learning your audition as a natural actress, natural instincts

829
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: and followed your gun along with your mom, natural instincts.

830
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: Then you got on the series and then you went

831
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: to Tasha Smith. What did you learn from her classes

832
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: that enabled you to improve as an actress and prepare

833
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: you for elite series like that. You're doing an Envy

834
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: that's airing on Lifetime. Oh my gosh, so much. I

835
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 1: learned technique. I learned different exercises in ways to get

836
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: into the character quicker, especially for auditions. Um. I learned

837
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: she she brought me out of my shell. Um, Tasha

838
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: brought me out of my shell. For sure. I learned

839
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: how to just let go and be free in the moment.

840
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: And that's something that the Taragy and Terrence actually told

841
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: me as well. UM. But to be able to put

842
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: it on its feet and really do it yourself is

843
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: where you learn, okay, I can do this, and when

844
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: you have confidence that you know you can do it.

845
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 1: And I had to breakthrough UM class one time and

846
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: and and it was went really really well. And from

847
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: then on I said, okay, like I can, I can.

848
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: I can tackle anything any role that comes my way.

849
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 1: And and Quarantine really strengthened me because I auditioned so much.

850
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 1: I sent in so many self tapes, so many self tapes,

851
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 1: and believe me, self tapes can be UM not always

852
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 1: uh the best thing to do, because you don't know

853
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: because you're looking at the first of all, you have

854
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 1: no makeup on. You don't know you dressed an average.

855
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: So really I was tall. Self tastes like doing stuff

856
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: in black and white, because I always tell you people

857
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: the black and white era, before they had color and

858
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: explosion and blood, you really had to act on black

859
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: and white movies black and solutely and those are my

860
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: favorite to watch. And so sending the self tape footage.

861
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: It's like, you really better be able to act when

862
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: you send another because there there there's nobody that uses

863
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: just a blank wall behind you because you want to

864
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: keep me clean and you just read the line and

865
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: you deliver it. So bravo, bravo. Now let's talk about

866
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: this series where you know when you stepped up your game, Soraya.

867
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: You know I'm saying Kesha Joones that I got the

868
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: name right, Keetsa Jones, Right, Yeah, just the Kesha Jones third,

869
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: the keeps it Jones story, A little sad little girl

870
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: tell us about the Keetsa Jones and the message of envy. Yes,

871
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: so envy. We all have dealt with that. I'm sure

872
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: at some point in our lives. Jealousy and envy, right um.

873
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: Keisha has come from a lot of loss in her

874
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: life and a lot of struggle, and a lot of

875
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: absence and a lot of longing for some and she

876
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: doesn't have. So she she her mom dies and and

877
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: she find finds her strange father that she never knew.

878
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: And the other thing that she finds when she finds

879
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: her father is how successful he is, and that she

880
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: has a sister. She didn't know this part you know

881
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 1: of her life, and um, envy comes with that because

882
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: we're talking about a girl that sleeps in her car

883
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: and it goes to work and take takes bird baths

884
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: and goes to work. And then she she learns of

885
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: her dad and her sister and they live in a

886
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: mansion and they drive a nice car and they have

887
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: a very respectful, beautiful, loving relationship with each other. And

888
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: she enviies this so much so to where she does

889
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: things that are out of her character. Um. I really

890
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: love that this is a T. D. Jake's production. There's

891
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: some faith in there that is really cool. It's not overbearing,

892
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: but it's definitely a streamline in the movie where you

893
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: know Keisha has some some she's shooting with some faith

894
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: issues with her relationship with God, and we see her

895
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: redemption at the end. And so I'm people to see this.

896
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: Let me just talk about you and this character development,

897
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: because I don't want everybody, I don't want to gloss

898
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: over the the the character changes. You have to make

899
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: the emotional changes because it is a it's a faith

900
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: based movie with all not heavy faith. I would put

901
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 1: it like that, it's not heavy faith, but it's about

902
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: envy and we all deal with it. And your character

903
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: is about you know, being shown an opportunity and how

904
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: you deal with You have DC Young fly you know,

905
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: he's he's like and he's like the look, he's like

906
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: that little negative spirit. Always tell people talk about negative

907
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: spirits and positive spirits. You know, you have your your

908
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: new found father Elijah his character, he's your positive spirit.

909
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: And then you have DC Young Flyer, he's your negative

910
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: spirit that's on your shoulder, and your father trying to

911
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: let you know that there's a sense of reality and

912
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: trying to get you to buy into it. But then

913
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: you have DC Young fly of telling you stick to

914
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: the six to plan six to the plan because as

915
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: we watch you drift through the movie, you start you

916
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: start going back and forth. Should you do this, Should

917
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: you come over to your father's side, who was a

918
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: larger side of the world, or you should you stick

919
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: to the original plan. That's what D C. C. C.

920
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: Young Flies talking about. So talk about that because I

921
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: thought that was key in me buying into your your

922
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: strong acting as well as me staying with the movie

923
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: because I know that was a hard role to be

924
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: able to deliver. And also you had to play an

925
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: evil spirit, a cunning person. So you you're a lot

926
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: of things going on there. You know, you played the

927
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: little you played the attractive person, you played the young sister,

928
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: you played the mom who had lost the child. It

929
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: was a lot of levels. How was you able to

930
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 1: pull all those things off? So I don't want people

931
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: that I don't want people to think that you're doing

932
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: Empire too. You're not. You're doing a really deeply uh

933
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: thought that role that it gives you a lot of

934
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: different levels, and all of them you play effectively. I

935
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: really appreciate that, um one, because I always said anything

936
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: I do after Empire, I wanted to be groundbreaking in

937
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: the way of people's perspective of me and and and

938
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: showing real acting chops. So I really appreciate that, UM.

939
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: And that's what I really loved about this character that

940
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: she was. She had so manyse layers and she was

941
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: so flawed, UM, which which I enjoyed because that's real, right.

942
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: We all are so flawed and we have so many

943
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: layers in trauma that we've been through. UM. So for

944
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: each segment of the movie, I kind of broke it

945
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: down UM and I was able to connect myself to

946
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: those moments with real things that I've been through, um

947
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: and and having empathy for her and not playing her

948
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: so um like too vindictive. I feel like there is moments,

949
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: like you said, where she was starting to believe, like, hey,

950
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 1: I can't have this life with my dad and maybe

951
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: they do want me around and maybe I am accepted

952
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: and they love me. And then she has these moments

953
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: where she feels a little rejected and she calls you know,

954
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: she calls DC young flies character and she puts her

955
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: back on the road. I think there's a degree polarity

956
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: to her and in this movie, and that's what makes

957
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: it so interesting to me, is because you're seeing this

958
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: girl go through all of these emotions and but you

959
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: also can relate to her um and by the end,

960
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: she does get her redemption and he don't don't don't don't, don't,

961
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: don't give much. Don't give us too much. Come so

962
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: don't give too much. They need to watch this because

963
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: because you know, I enjoyed, first of all, join the

964
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: interview talking to you, because I love talking to young talent,

965
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: and because there's such a future ahead of you, and

966
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 1: we don't know what the future is. But you're a

967
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: hard worker and if you stay true to the course

968
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: and you have you know, you just brought up your

969
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: mom several times, so you have a foundation to fall

970
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 1: back on and your faith. And this movie is about faith.

971
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: It allows you. And it's also a movie that is

972
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: ah all African American cast, but it's relatable to anybody.

973
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 1: I don't care if you're black, brown, white, you can

974
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: reach into this movie and realize, you see that character

975
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 1: Kesha Jones could be Lisa Lisa Epstein. Okay, that's that's

976
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: because they We all have those parts in our lives

977
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: that allows us to be disenfranchised and how do we

978
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: react when the opportunity is given to us. And that's

979
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: what stood out for me in this role. And that's

980
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: what you was able to do. And when when I

981
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: look at you now and there's a it's a high

982
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: level of innocence that you show in this interview, and

983
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: that's that I think that allows you to do what

984
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: you do. Because when I when I look at pool,

985
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: and I've been fortunately cast a lot of people from

986
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: Nick Cannon to to Kim Willard, to Gabriel Union and

987
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: to Roggi p Henson. You know, Terrence Howard. I know

988
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: all these people, and and you're coming from a body

989
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: of work where you had kind of like a masterclass

990
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: working with these two people because their their styles are different.

991
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: But that that to Roger Phinson, she no joke. Now

992
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: if you if you want to come on the series

993
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: now and learn somebody acting, come on. I tell everybody

994
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: about Roggi, p Interne sore Both Taraggie is a force

995
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 1: to be reckoned with um. I watched her and Terence

996
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 1: many days when I was wrapped from work, and I said,

997
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: can I just stay and please just watch them do

998
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: this scene because they are so amazing and together so amazing,

999
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: but so interesting separately. In in her and Terrence are

1000
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: just genius, and you know what it is to me,

1001
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: it's just they're fearless and they attack each moment like that.

1002
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: So they're definitely I to um forever will be my

1003
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: to Go twos in my head, in the back of

1004
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: my mind, I'll listen to them telling me just go forward,

1005
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: just go forward, let it go. We'll great. Well, I

1006
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: want to wrap talking about a couple of projects that

1007
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: you have coming up. Favorite Sons directed, Favorite Song Excuse

1008
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: Me directed by Robin Gibbons, and also Black Maffia. I

1009
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: know you can't tell us anything about that. That's sinsib

1010
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: we attract us down, beat us up. But let's talk

1011
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: about Favorite Son and what what what role you're playing

1012
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: that and also Black Mafia Family. Oh and Favorite Son

1013
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: super excited because Robert Robin Gibbons directed this and she's

1014
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: like one of my favorites. So I play UM a

1015
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: girlfriend and a choir member to the church. Um, a

1016
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: girlfriend to one of the pastor's sons, UM. And she

1017
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: also very larry character, which is awesome because she goes

1018
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: through something in faith with her faith as well, but

1019
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: more in the church because I feel like a lot

1020
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: of people on church UM, they're trying to put the

1021
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: best foot forward as they should, and they're trying to

1022
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: live their life right now. That doesn't exempt them from

1023
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: life like the rest of us. So I think the

1024
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: character that I play on that on the movie UM

1025
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: is a testament to that, and it's a testament to

1026
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: not judge each other so crucially and to understand that

1027
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: that life still happens to you. So there's some there's

1028
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: some twists and turns in there with my character. Once again, UM,

1029
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: you might you might lover you M hater, but it's

1030
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,919
Speaker 1: super dope. I play opposite of Jonathan McReynolds and throw

1031
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: timmy um Mr Power Mr Power or Mr Power Mr

1032
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: Power uh, and he's amazing and so I'm so grateful

1033
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: to have shared the screen with them as well. Yes.

1034
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: And then in in the BMF story, I play the

1035
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: baby mother to uh Meach, which is one of the

1036
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: flintering brothers um and one of the main the main,

1037
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: the main guys who made it all happen. UM. So

1038
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: uh yeah, Well, well, first of all, I know you

1039
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: can't tell too much about that, you know, because it's

1040
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: it's it's but you've told me enough to know. First

1041
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: of all, you're fantastic. April seventeen will be looking at

1042
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: your lifetime starting in the row Envy. Also, you have

1043
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: a project coming out directed by Robin Gibbons called Favorite Son,

1044
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: and we're gonna see you in the Black Mafia Family

1045
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: a few ca ho the b mL, you know, one

1046
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: of those big fifty cents projects. Again, thank you for

1047
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: coming on the show. And now you have a new single,

1048
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: Whens does a single drop? Thank you. I'm so excited

1049
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: to be here. Um. The single is gonna drop in

1050
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: a couple of months. I don't have a heart date,

1051
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: but I will definitely let you guys know. Um, but

1052
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: definitely be on the lookout for that one because I'm

1053
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: so excited and everyone loves it when they hear it's

1054
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: perfect for the summer time. Well, you're you're awesome, and

1055
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: they keep winning and tell your mom how No, I

1056
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: don't know, but they're definitely when you're you have all

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Speaker 1: You're special and keep winning. Okay, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: what are you doing in the dungeon? It's the only

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Speaker 1: place where the bloody WiFi works. And you don't mind

1062
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: the spiders. Spiders let's fighters are now, they're everywhere. In

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Speaker 1: What grows in the forest trees. Sure, no one else

1070
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: grows in the forest. Our imagination, our sense of wonder,

1071
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: and our family bonds grow too, because when we disconnect

1072
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: from this and connect with this, we reconnect with each other.

1073
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: The forest is closer than you think. Find a forest

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01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: near you and start exploring. I Discover the Forest dot org,

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01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: brought to you by the United States Forest Service and

1076
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: the AD Council. What grows in the forest trees? Sure

1077
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: you know what else grows in the forest. Our imagination,

1078
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: our sense of wonder, and our family bonds grow too,

1079
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: because when we disconnect from this and connect with this,

1080
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: we reconnect with each other. The forest is closer than

1081
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 1: you think. Find a forest near you and start exploring.

1082
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: I Discover the Forest dot org, brought to you by

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01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 1: the United States Forest Service and the AD Council. My

1084
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: next guess are the Ghost Brothers. He mean the Ghost

1085
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: Brothers Dalla Sprat, Jawan Mass Marcus Harvey. The Ghost Brothers

1086
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: are the first and on the African American Para normal

1087
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: investigative team on TV. That is not right there, you know,

1088
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: right there? Okay, we always know that the black people

1089
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: always die first in horror moves. Okay, they're breaking that

1090
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: they're breaking that mold. They die. They go in and

1091
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: come out. The Ghost Brothers seamlessly playing comedy with a

1092
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: refreshingly straightforward approach to the paranormal in their own new

1093
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: series Lights Out, venturing across the country in different hotspots.

1094
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: Day Land want there was a little background by the

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01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 1: hbc U, background by these brothers him, Daylan and Juwan

1096
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: meanwhile attending Clark Atlantic University and Marcus was a barber

1097
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: at Clark Atlantic Universe. That's how they all came together.

1098
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: Now at twenty eleven, they all had this idea thinking

1099
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: not the typical. They wan't thinking about rap music. They

1100
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 1: weren't thinking about it. They talk about the paranormal coasts.

1101
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: They seeked it out and they got discovered. So please

1102
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: working the money making conversation. They are the Ghost Brothers.

1103
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: Dayles Bratt, Juwan Mass and Marcus Harvey. Welcome brothers, man,

1104
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: and not to not to cut you off, but we

1105
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:51,959
Speaker 1: did try rapping first. Definitely did. I was called drill.

1106
01:02:54,720 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 1: I'll just tell you it was wrapped, noting ya, and

1107
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: I was not Spinderella. Don't get it twist okay, okay,

1108
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 1: that was the real part of the group. Come on,

1109
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: Now that was a faild venture. What you don't do

1110
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: on my show, man, this money made a conversation talk

1111
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 1: about failed ventures. Now y'all wasn't rapping. All I know

1112
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 1: is the success of what y'all doing. Now your HBC

1113
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: you graduate attendees, you have the HBC experience, and we

1114
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: all know that for some reason, the world has discovered HBCU,

1115
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: especially in twenty with that revelation. You know that pride.

1116
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: I just interviewed my man Kenny Leon and also see

1117
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: you graduate and then so many more. What type of

1118
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: pride and number each one of you can respond to

1119
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: this individual. I want to get each one of your

1120
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 1: response about the HBCU experience and also what it is

1121
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: meant to your life moving forward. Yeah, I know for

1122
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 1: me Daylan uh HBC, the HBCU experienced literally changed my life.

1123
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: So when I graduated high school, Shoe Clark was the

1124
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: only colleague was like willing to listen to me, and

1125
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: they actually gave me a scholarship. Man, So they not

1126
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: only provided me a way to get to college, it's

1127
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: shaped and manufactured my life because I was able to

1128
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: move to Atlanta from Dallas, Texas and see a whole

1129
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: bunch of people that looked like me, my same age,

1130
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: making entrepreneurial moves. So up until the end, I'm looking

1131
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: at trying to get a job. But then when I

1132
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: get to college, I see people eighteen nineteen years old,

1133
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: what they on clothing line, UH, starting on record label

1134
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: promotion company, just all types of companies started by young minorities.

1135
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 1: And that's inspired my whole entrepreneurial spirit. And that's when

1136
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: you try to do wrap. That's when I tried to wrap.

1137
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: I tried to try to get back full circles. The

1138
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: origin story party promoting it was one of the two

1139
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: uh Man HBC experience was something that was just always

1140
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 1: brained in me. My mother went to an HBC U

1141
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: UH and so I was able to always go back

1142
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: to campus with her. And that's where I finally saw

1143
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: like this family culture at these historically black colleges and universities. UH.

1144
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: I went and when saw visit, when visited clark Land University,

1145
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: and like I was convinced at that point, Like I

1146
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: got to clark and, like Dylan said, you see a

1147
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:23,479
Speaker 1: bunch of UH like minded individuals and you see people

1148
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: that look like you, and you're UH and you're like

1149
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: blown away by like this higher um institution of education

1150
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 1: and you're like this is this and it feels like home,

1151
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 1: Like it's not overly, it's not too big, Like you

1152
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 1: can still have a personal connection with the with the

1153
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: staff um and like you can still get this this education.

1154
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: But it's empowering blacks to to extride for excellence. And

1155
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: I think that's what like really captivated me about the

1156
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: that university Clark Atlanta specifically cool. Uh, Markut's telling about

1157
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 1: your experience. So my brother actually attended and graduated from

1158
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: Moore House College, and uh, I actually wanted to go

1159
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: to more House and actually didn't get attempted. That's all

1160
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: right because now that means that I'm a free agent

1161
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: to get an honorary degree from any HBCU that I won't.

1162
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: Now that we are at success in a historically black situation,

1163
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 1: you know, with us being the ghost but the first

1164
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 1: paranormal you know, investigation team out there, I think that

1165
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: any any HBC he wants to get me downs. But

1166
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 1: the way that I met my bros is um. Actually,

1167
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 1: you know, I still was connected to the campus. I

1168
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 1: was affiliated with the AUC gods re Choired and I

1169
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 1: used to start cutting hair, and Um, I actually started

1170
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: cutting Dylan's hair and then you know, eventually started meeting

1171
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: Jouan and then it just the rest is history. Okay,

1172
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 1: so you could do your barber by trade, I'm assuming right, Yes, sir,

1173
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: they say a celebrity barber, though what is the what

1174
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: is an unknown barber versus a celebrity barber? Markets, Please

1175
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 1: explain that to my listeners and view it well for me,

1176
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: Well for me specifically, I'm a celebrity who is a barber.

1177
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 1: I don't know about other celebrity barbers because they're not famous.

1178
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm famous for hunting ghosts and I cut hair,

1179
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: So celebrity barber, you know, But uh no, not more

1180
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 1: so more so than not. My client telligence still with

1181
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of celebrities from Nas grand Hill, Chris Webber,

1182
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 1: Damian Lillard, Clay Thompson, Steph Curry, Lebron, Um, I've cut

1183
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 1: on television shows Dayless, Pratt, Juwan, Jouan Mass, keep it looking,

1184
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 1: keep it little, keeping like keep me, keep keep people

1185
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 1: that you see on the regular basis because you don't

1186
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: see the Lebron and Steph Curry on regularly. Keep you

1187
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 1: the famous trio that you roll with. Yeah, now, listen

1188
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 1: these guys. You see us on the episode. You see

1189
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 1: how fresh these boys be. That because me, okay, always fresh.

1190
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: That's really important because I can't cut hair. I remember

1191
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: when I played. Because I know we got a couple

1192
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 1: of I'm making five member proud member of that as

1193
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: your guys are proud members of the right year. I

1194
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 1: don't know something, but we're all good. We're all good now.

1195
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 1: But because I remember my friend brother trying to give

1196
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 1: me the cut hair that was and I messed up

1197
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 1: the line. And you know, if you mess up a

1198
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,439
Speaker 1: line on them, brother and you pledge it, that wasn't

1199
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: a good night for this young brother as a pledgey.

1200
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 1: So I respect you, Marcus more than you will ever

1201
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 1: know you because the mustache, that's that Scotty from the

1202
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:25,560
Speaker 1: Whispers mustache. So I know you've got strong brother. I

1203
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: know you've got a good hand. Love. Now, let's talk

1204
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 1: about this series. Okay, ghost brothers. Now, how did this

1205
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 1: idea of paranormal paranormal um seekers are trying to find

1206
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 1: ghost How did that pop into you guys mind? And

1207
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: how to become part of the process, because I read

1208
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 1: this started on YouTube. Yeah, so me and Joe was

1209
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 1: actually roommates at the time. Then I tell people all

1210
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 1: the time, and you gotta think outside the box. If

1211
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:56,640
Speaker 1: everybody is doing something that you need to turn the

1212
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 1: other way. And so I literally woke up one night

1213
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 1: about three in the morning and one of the ghost

1214
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,719
Speaker 1: hunting shows was just randomly on TV. And I remember

1215
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: thinking to myself. I was like, I don't never see

1216
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: any representation of myself on any one of these shows.

1217
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: Why is it only white folks hunting ghosts? I mean,

1218
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 1: every race, religion, creed, culture dies. It ain't just white folks.

1219
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 1: So what happens to us when we passed away? And

1220
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: I grew up in the church. My mom is a pastor,

1221
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 1: and I've always been talking. Man, you know, you don't

1222
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 1: play with the church. You don't play with ghosts. You

1223
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 1: don't play with any of that. Like it's either a

1224
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 1: god and angels and everything else is the devil, right right,

1225
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 1: right right? Yeah? Yeah? And so literally I ran into

1226
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: the one's room man at three in the morning, was like, bro,

1227
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 1: I feel like we need to hunt ghosts. But he

1228
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: run in your mind into your room talking about ghost hunt.

1229
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 1: Now you knew he wasn't thinking straight at that point. Well,

1230
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 1: what did it really become a reality check for you

1231
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: that this could be a good idea? Honestly, just overnight,

1232
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 1: like I literally kicked in out my room, went back

1233
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: to sleep, woke up the next morning it was and

1234
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 1: it was still on my mind. I was like, Bro,

1235
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 1: we gotta do this. And when you say we gotta

1236
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 1: do that, because I gotta duo and Marcus, you know,

1237
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 1: the celebrity barber. Before he was a celebrity barber, he

1238
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: was just a sidekick barber. How did y'all get him

1239
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 1: in the loop now? You know, because he's commented relief

1240
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 1: when I watched the show, you know, Yeah, So I've

1241
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: been knowing Marcus for years that he was cutting everybody's

1242
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 1: hair and just knowing his personality. Marcus was doing stand

1243
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: up coming around the time, and he was just a

1244
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 1: really really funny guy, and I just knew that going

1245
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 1: into this, you know, going into television, you gotta have

1246
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 1: that breadth of fresh air. And Marcus was the perfect candidate.

1247
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,520
Speaker 1: And the fact that he had no background and paranormal

1248
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,799
Speaker 1: stuff just like we did. It was just a perfect

1249
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 1: storm try to create. Now, let's let's talk about this

1250
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 1: bar because you know, okay, again you cut their hair. Okay,

1251
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 1: crazy ideas are crazy ideas, over the top ideas over

1252
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 1: top of ideas. What's it much convincing you to roll

1253
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:05,799
Speaker 1: with the brothers into this for paranormal ghost Hunting World.

1254
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 1: Not necessarily because I mean this is okay, this is

1255
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 1: two parties. No, because I know every idea that Dalon

1256
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: and Jowan come up with is typically successful because we're

1257
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: kind of like a success cluster prior to us getting

1258
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 1: on with um, you know, Discovery UM, so we were

1259
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,759
Speaker 1: always always like you know, kind of collaboring with ideas,

1260
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 1: you know, prior to this, uh, this project. So I

1261
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 1: knew the idea was good. But then, like you said before,

1262
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 1: you know, Black Bolts, the only ghost that I was

1263
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 1: really comfortable with was the Holy Coast because we don't

1264
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: really you know, deal with the mother ghost, you know

1265
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So that's the only ghost that I

1266
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:47,560
Speaker 1: was really prepared for. And and as and that was

1267
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 1: the only like asitency that I had, Like I didn't

1268
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: want to do any demonic things. We were sure that

1269
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 1: we wouldn't, and and we just kind of kept the paranormal. So,

1270
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:57,679
Speaker 1: you know, since then, you know, it's kind of stretched

1271
01:11:57,720 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 1: out a little bit more and more. You know, they

1272
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 1: keep getting me out there further and further on that

1273
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: diving board and like, yeah, just jumping. I'm like, hey, bro,

1274
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: chill out, man, I'm still cutting their I don't know.

1275
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 1: I ain't trying to bring that over nobody. Let me

1276
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: ask you this market. I don't know if you remember

1277
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 1: this first conversation we had, man, I remember exactly where

1278
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 1: I was and you told me you was like, Man,

1279
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, because I don't know if I

1280
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 1: want to be known as a ghost hunter man like uh,

1281
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: because I was like, bro, what is that gonna look like?

1282
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 1: You know what? Good brother dude over there? Like man,

1283
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: and uh, Yeah, we didn't know at the beginning. We

1284
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 1: didn't know if this show was gonna be like either

1285
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, and we're talking with c A. You we

1286
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 1: didn't know that we're going to another network. You know.

1287
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: We don't know if they're gonna try to play us

1288
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:47,679
Speaker 1: like with something on something like huck a Buck type stuff,

1289
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 1: and we ain't trying to be on that type of

1290
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 1: you know situation. If we're gonna if we're gonna be

1291
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 1: portrayed in the correct light So I was massively hesitant,

1292
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,680
Speaker 1: like I mean, And there was even another show that

1293
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 1: kind of was like mirrored us that kind of went

1294
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 1: a little bit more on that direction that was just like,

1295
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 1: you know, outside of the way of like just a

1296
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,600
Speaker 1: natural feel of like just curiosity for the paranormal and

1297
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:11,560
Speaker 1: was more so looking at it like a joke. So

1298
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 1: when I saw that, when when Dayla and Juanna approached

1299
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 1: me with the idea, yes it was, it sounded brilliant

1300
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,759
Speaker 1: because one like I've noticed that anytime there's a market

1301
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 1: that's wide open, we're able to set the market as

1302
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 1: the only one in that thing. So it was just

1303
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 1: brilliant in the sense that there was nobody, there's no competing,

1304
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 1: you know, um brands. We were able to set the market,

1305
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 1: We were able to set our own way and just

1306
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 1: be able to be um moved into a like a

1307
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 1: dope little situation that we have now with spinoffs. Well,

1308
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 1: here's the thing about it. I'm just telling you, guys,

1309
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm from a professional standpoint because I've watched the show,

1310
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:49,559
Speaker 1: and I watched and semi screeners of the upcoming season

1311
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 1: Lights Out. I enjoyed. Can nobody do what you guys do? Okay, nobody,

1312
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 1: don't even worry about somebody is trying to emulate, because

1313
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:00,720
Speaker 1: each one of your characters are unique and they have

1314
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 1: credibility to it. And like you said, you know you're

1315
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:05,680
Speaker 1: not running around there go oh lord, who Lord Lord,

1316
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 1: look around that bugging your eyes? Oh like you know,

1317
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 1: Buck Wheat went back in the twenties. And third, you're

1318
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 1: not doing that, you know, you guys are you know

1319
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 1: you did jump in that bathtub though you got in

1320
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:17,719
Speaker 1: that bathtub though, you know with the water you float,

1321
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 1: you flowing that mark, you're flowing there. But uh. But

1322
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:23,599
Speaker 1: the good thing about is, like each one of y'all's,

1323
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 1: it's a cool set up. And where the series works

1324
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 1: is you know, Daylan, you like the You like the instigator.

1325
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 1: You know, you leave your brothers in in a blind situation,

1326
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 1: a blind situation, and and and Jawan, you know he

1327
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 1: always like a go ahead, go getter. And then Marcus

1328
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 1: he always hesitant. But like Jawan, your characters like, let's

1329
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 1: go see what's going on. Marcus just like I don't know,

1330
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 1: I really don't know. But then come on. And then Dylan,

1331
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 1: I'm waiting the truck and check y'all out. Jawan you're

1332
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 1: you're go getter. What made you buy into that character?

1333
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 1: Because people go because you're be when there, everybody would

1334
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 1: call a food, He'll food here food. Why are you

1335
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 1: going in there? You know hits something bad going on

1336
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 1: there because you know black people talk to their TVs.

1337
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 1: Black people talk to the movie screens. So do you

1338
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 1: want talk about buying into that character? Because I know

1339
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 1: crazy man Marcus, he got a Black lives matter going

1340
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,599
Speaker 1: into a jail. I know where he's coming from. Talk

1341
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: about your character you want, right, my character is not

1342
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 1: really a character, more so just a reflection of like

1343
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 1: my character in real life, and it's just about loyalty. Um,

1344
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 1: and I'm here to have my brothers back in an

1345
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: in any situation that I can with this ghost stuff. Um,

1346
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 1: you're just seeing me being as courageous as possible. But

1347
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 1: I'm terrified. I am terrified. Brother? Are you really? Are

1348
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 1: you really afraid of because you're always show up at

1349
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:45,599
Speaker 1: night now you know, which is always like okay, brothers,

1350
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 1: so can you can go by there is a daytime period,

1351
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,679
Speaker 1: but you're going in at night and so you're arrived

1352
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 1: and so daylan You do a great job of setting

1353
01:15:56,600 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 1: the danger tone what they're walking into, because again, you

1354
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:04,679
Speaker 1: guys really don't know what you're walking into marketson juant,

1355
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 1: you really don't know. No no clue at all, no clue.

1356
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 1: A matter of fact, that was the point of contention

1357
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 1: um in this production. You know, just Scott, we've we've

1358
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 1: answered these a million times, questions or whatnot, but like

1359
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 1: this is something a little bit different. Like it was

1360
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:22,679
Speaker 1: like because we've done this before in many different shows

1361
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: and we know how to like investigate, you know what

1362
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying, But this production crew was just you know, like, yo,

1363
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 1: let's trust us in this situation and see about and

1364
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 1: see about um, you know, letting dally just throw you

1365
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 1: guys in there blind. And you know, typically we like me,

1366
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 1: Dylan and Juan, we were very like interactive when it

1367
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 1: comes to ideas, when it comes to um investigating styles,

1368
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 1: when it comes to like you know how we're gonna like,

1369
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, provoke whatever we need to provoke to kind

1370
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:52,640
Speaker 1: of get any type of response. And this was just

1371
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 1: a totally different show because like you know, Dylan was

1372
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:57,679
Speaker 1: just one He don't even know how to read a map.

1373
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 1: So just to ask somebody send me somewhere who holding

1374
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 1: the map? Upside down left, I mean right, left, right,

1375
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 1: come on dogs. And then Juan, you know, like you said,

1376
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 1: Juan makes me have to get courageous because like I

1377
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 1: ain't playing that stuff. I was like, all right, let's go,

1378
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 1: and I'm like, dang, bro, I can't live like no

1379
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,679
Speaker 1: pump in front of Juwan and Dylan out there cold,

1380
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So you know, like you said,

1381
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 1: you wanna actually be pulling us to do the He's

1382
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,680
Speaker 1: the one that go okay, really do really? Do you

1383
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 1: know black people get killed in the movies. Black people

1384
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 1: do get killing hard movies. Now, Dayla, let's go back

1385
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 1: to your character. You know, Mr stay in the truck.

1386
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 1: Mr Stay in the truck and reveal us the dangerous

1387
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 1: situation that they may be walking into. So ultimately they

1388
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:43,680
Speaker 1: have to trust you because you know the set up

1389
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 1: from a standpoint of what they be walking into you.

1390
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 1: So you have to protect them from any silly pitchers.

1391
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: You know, let's have some water hit them or or

1392
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 1: some or some trapdoors. Does that come up in conversation?

1393
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:57,680
Speaker 1: You go, No, They're not gonna do that. How much

1394
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 1: involved with you with the pre production of what they're

1395
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 1: walking into? Daylight Uh, we're really really hands on from

1396
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 1: the beginning, because I mean, I think everybody that works

1397
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 1: for us knows where we stand and where we draw

1398
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 1: the line. So before we even started those Brothers, we

1399
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 1: were people at home watching these shows wondering if this

1400
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 1: stuff was really real. And we always say that we

1401
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 1: ever were blessed with the opportunity, but we don't want

1402
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 1: to fake anything, like we want to make sure whatever

1403
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 1: is happening, it's real time happening. So we make sure

1404
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 1: with the production company that we're not for you know,

1405
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 1: don't be trying to prank Jawan and markets. They'll be

1406
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 1: trying to make things happen to get reactions from them.

1407
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 1: That's not what we're here for, and we will walk

1408
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 1: off it's something like that ever happens or sway. My

1409
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 1: job is really just to make sure that that my

1410
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 1: guys are safe on the inside. And you know what

1411
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying, They gotta trust me. You know what I'm

1412
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 1: saying that my fingers are ready to call now when

1413
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 1: one of the things get a little bit. But you

1414
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 1: know what he said, and Marc, he's he's ready to call.

1415
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 1: He didn't say run in right now, right now. You

1416
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 1: gotta watch him now. Okay, he told y'all exactly, Uh,

1417
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 1: my brothers are being eaten by ghosts. Come soon, let

1418
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 1: me explain what's going on. He didn't say, I'm running

1419
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 1: in with a firesting, which you're running in with a gun.

1420
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 1: I'm running in with more white people to save y'all.

1421
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:18,720
Speaker 1: I'm a call like like that little white Dudlan the

1422
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 1: episode get Out, Get Out, Get Out. Now. Wow, you know,

1423
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 1: let's let's go back to this whole scenario. Because you

1424
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 1: guys are three visionaries. I'm gonna just put it out

1425
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 1: there like that because, like I said, you trusted your

1426
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:34,679
Speaker 1: natural interestincts in twenty and leven, you know, you guys

1427
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:37,640
Speaker 1: started to hunt ghost because the reason I'm saying that

1428
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 1: because right now you got Discovery calling people letting them

1429
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 1: know y'all coming. So there's a real respect and authority

1430
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 1: that's tied to that. In the early days, y'all were

1431
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 1: just black dudes coming in with an idea. How did

1432
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 1: y'all develop that idea and also develop credibility with your

1433
01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 1: early ghost honey. So it's funny all three of us

1434
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 1: actually worked behind the scenes in television before we got

1435
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 1: in front of the camera. So we all parted from

1436
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 1: them at its about PA's production assistance, running, getting water closed,

1437
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:13,680
Speaker 1: all that type stuff. So we had a respect for

1438
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 1: television and a work ethic from day one. So we

1439
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 1: were watching how television shows were being made on a

1440
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 1: day to day basis. So when the idea came around,

1441
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 1: we already had the vision of how to get it done,

1442
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 1: but we didn't know how we were going to get

1443
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 1: it out. And it's funny you say that because once

1444
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 1: we finished, we had this finished sesal reel of black

1445
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 1: guys hunting ghost we started taking meetings and back then

1446
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 1: we kept getting the same two responsive. Black people don't

1447
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:41,439
Speaker 1: hunt ghosts, So where y'all gonna put the show at BT?

1448
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:45,800
Speaker 1: Nah will pass? Black people don't hunt ghosts, so white

1449
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:47,640
Speaker 1: people ain't gonnaanna watch you all, So where y'all to

1450
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 1: put you all any nah will pass. So we just

1451
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 1: kept getting passed and passed and passed. And it wasn't

1452
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 1: until about two thousand, fifteen sixteen. I don't know if

1453
01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 1: you're familiar or remember the campaign oscars so a Wife.

1454
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 1: So that's when the media where they were saying there

1455
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 1: were not enough minority television shows getting recognition in mainstream media,

1456
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:10,639
Speaker 1: and we were just fortunate enough to be ushered along

1457
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 1: in that window, which shows like Black Is, shows like

1458
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 1: Fresh off the Boat, So all these minority lead driven shows.

1459
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 1: We gotta just blessed us to kind of just sent

1460
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 1: shown in through that window those brothers, and man's gonna

1461
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 1: hit ever since. But but let me just let me

1462
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 1: not you didn't just sneaking. You guys are talented, man,

1463
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 1: and like you know, that's the thing with black boles, man,

1464
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 1: we gotta always get in the door a different way.

1465
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 1: Just let me just tell you this. Let me show

1466
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 1: that were more talented than the counterport. Let me just

1467
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 1: show you down day, because everybody got to get in, Okay,

1468
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 1: everybody got to get in. That's what That's why I

1469
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 1: want to just say here my compliment to you, all

1470
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 1: three of you guys. You cannot be replicated. You cannot

1471
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 1: be duplicated. Okay, Right, you guys are smart on screen,

1472
01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:59,759
Speaker 1: you're smart off camera. Okay. I see there's a story,

1473
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:02,759
Speaker 1: like I was telling Marcus earlier prior to the interview,

1474
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 1: is that there's always a wrap up, a wrap wrap

1475
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 1: up tied to logic and so so it's not like

1476
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, it might you know, the concept sounds kind

1477
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:15,640
Speaker 1: of like, oh, black guys hunting ghosts, you know, but

1478
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:17,919
Speaker 1: then you go through the process. You got the equipment

1479
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 1: and and then you and then you developed the scenarios,

1480
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 1: you set the storyline in place. Because all your storylines

1481
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 1: that you set up that they're walking into, I'm worried

1482
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 1: about these brothers. I am actually worried about these brothers

1483
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 1: because you said some crazy stuff, you know what I'm saying.

1484
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 1: And then I ain't gonna tell watch the episode. I'm

1485
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 1: not gonna tell y'all nothing about the storylines. All I

1486
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 1: know is that Daylan need his behind whoop. Let this

1487
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 1: boys walk into these environments. And he and he said,

1488
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 1: why you the first person see he needed buff whoop

1489
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 1: because he yeah, he said bye bye. I was sitting

1490
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 1: and wait out here, you know, in the truck or

1491
01:22:56,920 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 1: the vand or another somewhere comfortable, somewhere comfortable, probably around

1492
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 1: some white people eating that's what they eat, okay, y'all.

1493
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 1: In this Hunted there was one time though, there was

1494
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 1: one time where he was outside of the lighthouse, uh,

1495
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 1: and he was getting taught by the mosquitoes. And I

1496
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 1: was like, right, I love it. I love it. I

1497
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 1: love it. I love it. I was like, yeah, buddy,

1498
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:29,679
Speaker 1: like when the rabbit got the gun baby. Now sometimes

1499
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 1: he's events or last more than one day. What's the

1500
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 1: whole process of you go in and then you're gonna

1501
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 1: go back? You on, come on now, really don't care.

1502
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 1: You got and you got out. Honestly, if it wasn't

1503
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 1: for having to like connect the dots on the story,

1504
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 1: I'm really cool with a one day investigation. But you

1505
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 1: need to go back and see what we just saw.

1506
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:53,639
Speaker 1: The way it set up, man, it takes a week

1507
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 1: to do an entire episode. Wows. Yeah, So we'll get

1508
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 1: there the first night. We're typically doing baseline investigation. So

1509
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 1: that's where we pull up to the spot. Uh, Daln

1510
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:07,720
Speaker 1: knows the location, Marcus and I don't know anything. That's

1511
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 1: what we have our our fire like Notorious Pop the

1512
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 1: trunk scene. We get out and we hit the location,

1513
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:17,640
Speaker 1: We investigate, we pull all the evidence together where we

1514
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 1: find we share with Dalen. Dalen then fills us in

1515
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:23,640
Speaker 1: on all the stuff that um, he knew, and so

1516
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 1: now we're connecting these pieces, you know what I mean? Uh,

1517
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 1: And then we have another investigation later on, and that's

1518
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:32,719
Speaker 1: to kind of tie to all the whole episode together

1519
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:36,919
Speaker 1: with some of the previous claims and history of surrounding

1520
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 1: the place man um and it all comes together over

1521
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:43,559
Speaker 1: a week's time. Uh. We then we we sit down

1522
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 1: with whoever is like the owner or somebody who's having

1523
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 1: issues with the location, and we provide them with the

1524
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 1: clarity or answers to questions that they've been looking for. Um.

1525
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 1: And that's that like that wrap up that you're talking about,

1526
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? We have that that that

1527
01:24:56,680 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 1: logical conclusion and we don't necessarily say we have all

1528
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 1: the answers, but we do want to give you some

1529
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 1: some clarity or maybe we'll tell you like bro, it's

1530
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 1: just jing Haunett like we like you might want to

1531
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 1: put that on the market like or you might want

1532
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:11,599
Speaker 1: to you might want to split that rent up because

1533
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 1: your beauty hey Daylan and you know Joan and Marcus

1534
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:25,760
Speaker 1: famous come you guys way because of this, you know,

1535
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 1: and that fame is always interesting because you don't know

1536
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 1: how people react to that fame, you know. So I

1537
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:33,760
Speaker 1: know being your your Barbara Marcus uh hasn't helped your

1538
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 1: your clientele and help your role because I want each

1539
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 1: one of you guys, to explain this, how do ghost

1540
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 1: pump Buster fame, A ghost Brothers fame? Excuse me? Has

1541
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 1: possibly impacted your careers and where we go from here?

1542
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:50,439
Speaker 1: Starting with you Dayla uh Man. To be completely honestly,

1543
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 1: I don't feel like we're famous, man. I feel like

1544
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 1: our demographic of people that watched the show are Middle America,

1545
01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 1: and I feel like every day we don't just get

1546
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 1: noticed walking about and people running up to its like

1547
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 1: you would think and with most TV shows, So I

1548
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 1: feel like we still get to have that little bit

1549
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 1: of an amenity with uh, you know, which is our lives,

1550
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:14,680
Speaker 1: which is super dope. But what it has done is

1551
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 1: just open up a level of conversation for us, because genuinely,

1552
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:20,680
Speaker 1: it's not a room that we can't walk into that

1553
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 1: once they figure out what we do that we don't

1554
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 1: automatically become the most interesting person in the room. It

1555
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 1: don't matter if President Obama is in there, they're gonna

1556
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 1: be like, we're voted for you, but they ain't. Dylan,

1557
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 1: what you said you saw that? Crazy? As like it's

1558
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 1: always hey, hey Dayla, what what you what you see

1559
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 1: in the White House? Jan talk to me, babe, man.

1560
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:49,880
Speaker 1: Uh it's real. Like Dylan had a really good point,

1561
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,719
Speaker 1: like we don't get recognized on a day to day basis.

1562
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 1: Uh So when we're out of public, it's rare that

1563
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 1: somebody's like, oh my god, that's Jawanna's Day's market from

1564
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 1: the Ghost Brother. And so I'm still hit with like

1565
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 1: surprises and I'm really humbled when that does happen, you

1566
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Um, And it's like, I guess

1567
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:11,760
Speaker 1: I appreciate the fact that, like we haven't been catapulted

1568
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 1: into like stardom, and it's almost like we have the

1569
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:16,600
Speaker 1: ability to kind of ease our way into it and

1570
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 1: get you comfortable with underset accepting this celebrity that you have,

1571
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 1: right because like we can't negate the fact that, yes,

1572
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 1: there's a certain celebrity status that comes with what we're doing.

1573
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 1: But this time that we're having allows me to accept

1574
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 1: it and be human, being human and humble about what

1575
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 1: it is, you know what I mean. Like a lot

1576
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 1: of times it can go to somebody's head when they

1577
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:38,679
Speaker 1: get famous. And I think the three of us being

1578
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 1: in television and film in our past and not being

1579
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 1: catapulted in the startom as allowing us to really accept

1580
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:48,679
Speaker 1: that and understand what it means to have that platform

1581
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 1: now markets. I know it went to your head. Look

1582
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:53,720
Speaker 1: at that head big it's growing as it's all that

1583
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,720
Speaker 1: cap and can't fit no motive. I told y'all you

1584
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 1: said that the group wasn't gonna be nothing until they

1585
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 1: got David Ruffian. I'm gonna be honest until they until

1586
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:04,720
Speaker 1: they had and they wasn't gonna be non no for

1587
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 1: real though, Um, what I think that was dope about

1588
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 1: this is um as Dayalen and Juwana came up with this.

1589
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:13,640
Speaker 1: It's like it's it's a lane that we're not even in.

1590
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:17,720
Speaker 1: So it automatically keeps you humble because it's nothing that

1591
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 1: you are already good at that you kind of like

1592
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 1: can have an arrogance about. So it allows you to

1593
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:25,600
Speaker 1: like really, um, look at your life in a in

1594
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 1: a very holistic way and and like really see what

1595
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:30,640
Speaker 1: fame is, you know, because even when I look at

1596
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 1: how we can go somewhere and in a in a

1597
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 1: comic con or some type of place and and feel

1598
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:39,640
Speaker 1: a little celebrity, We're like, it's it's just for this,

1599
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it allows you to

1600
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 1: kind of even look at every aspect of your life

1601
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 1: and just look at it way more sober than you

1602
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 1: would normally. Um, if it was just something that just

1603
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:50,720
Speaker 1: like it America and just blew all the way up

1604
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 1: and then we can't go outside like we're a boy

1605
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:56,560
Speaker 1: band or something like that. You know, you know what

1606
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like you said, like like Dally said, our

1607
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:02,599
Speaker 1: our demographic is you know, Middle America, and we're three

1608
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 1: brothers in Atlanta. So you know, I'll just tell you

1609
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 1: guys this. You know, that's what I do. I build brands.

1610
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 1: I look at brands and look at I look at people,

1611
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:14,760
Speaker 1: and I determine their success paths. Okay, you know you

1612
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 1: guys should be doing a podcast. Y'all should drift off

1613
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 1: into UFOs if you know they ever thought that, because

1614
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 1: that's that's way doing you too. You know that on

1615
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 1: they're done as lifeline objects. They're waiting on you. Okay,

1616
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 1: and so, but you should have a podcast right now. Okay. Also,

1617
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:29,680
Speaker 1: the COVID has kind of slowed you guys down for

1618
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:32,640
Speaker 1: live events. You know, you guys can put on your

1619
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 1: own Seriously, man, don't worry about black people not knowing

1620
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:37,679
Speaker 1: you that that ain't where the real money at anyway.

1621
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:40,639
Speaker 1: Real money is is in general market. That's what That's

1622
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:42,559
Speaker 1: what has you on TV right. That general market has

1623
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:44,680
Speaker 1: you on TV. You're not on TV one, You're not

1624
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:47,599
Speaker 1: on b T. Go to your market strength. You guys

1625
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 1: are special man, y'all ticklate, You're smart. I know your entrepreneurs.

1626
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you something that I know is that

1627
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 1: your greatness is tied to who you guys are, y'all individually,

1628
01:29:57,000 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 1: tied to your own success. I know that you will

1629
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:03,519
Speaker 1: be super big one because they're coming out of this

1630
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:07,040
Speaker 1: COVID plan for man, planning for the fall. That's when

1631
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:09,400
Speaker 1: the checks are gonna roll. Plan to know that these

1632
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:12,439
Speaker 1: live events are waiting on you guys. Get your podcast, man,

1633
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 1: Please get y'all the podcast so y'all can tell y'all

1634
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:17,720
Speaker 1: stories to I can own that market, get a big

1635
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:22,479
Speaker 1: contract from Spotify, Spotify, somebody like that. Okay, yes, sir,

1636
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:26,960
Speaker 1: And you know what's funny, was gonna say the same

1637
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:29,120
Speaker 1: thing Markers that we've been putting that into all Kovid.

1638
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:31,320
Speaker 1: We've been doing a weekly zoom called Ghost Brothers and

1639
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 1: Chill that allows the fast to zoom and calls. So

1640
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 1: it's not just a podcast It allows the fast to

1641
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:39,040
Speaker 1: actually in real time to speak with us, see us,

1642
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 1: you know us, getting get involved with them, get close

1643
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:44,920
Speaker 1: with them. And events. Man, we run our Ghost Brothers

1644
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:47,600
Speaker 1: weekend every Halloween weekend in Savannah. We've been doing that

1645
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:49,720
Speaker 1: for the past three or four years. We keep that

1646
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:52,639
Speaker 1: up every year. And yeah, man, were rocketing. Rollers were

1647
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:56,719
Speaker 1: on the same page with good get you merch straight

1648
01:30:56,800 --> 01:31:00,720
Speaker 1: ghost dot com. What's you know? What I think? Or

1649
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 1: send me some links so I can promote them and

1650
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 1: put you in my newsletter. But more importantly, man, I'm

1651
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 1: just proud of you guys and just want to let

1652
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:08,639
Speaker 1: you know what I see is special, what I see

1653
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 1: is unique, and uh, sitcoms waiting in your future. And

1654
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 1: whatever I'm telling about you three guys, whatever y'all want

1655
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:17,000
Speaker 1: to do, y'all can do. Y'all young y'all look good

1656
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 1: in Hollywood. Is about the youth, okay, And it's about

1657
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 1: your resume at what you accomplished. I'm just leaving you know.

1658
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 1: You can do those zoom calls, but checks don't come

1659
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:27,520
Speaker 1: with that. Checks come with YouTube, and checks come with podcasts,

1660
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:30,400
Speaker 1: and checks come with radio. So I'm a man, That's

1661
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:32,280
Speaker 1: why you want money making conversation. I try to give

1662
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:34,680
Speaker 1: advice to individuals. If you're gonna spend your time on

1663
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:37,880
Speaker 1: the zoom, spend your time on a podcast. You're gonna

1664
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:41,120
Speaker 1: spend your time on the zoom, build your subscribers on

1665
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 1: your YouTube channel, because that's how you're gonna get paid.

1666
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:45,800
Speaker 1: You're not gonna get paid on Instagram. You're not gonna

1667
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:48,960
Speaker 1: get paid on zoom. Because you guys are gifted. Use

1668
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:52,479
Speaker 1: that gift. Developed that newsletter so you'all can start start

1669
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:54,479
Speaker 1: that momentum. There's a lot of people sitting around waiting

1670
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 1: to be a part of the team. Start building that

1671
01:31:57,080 --> 01:32:00,599
Speaker 1: team of people who want to make y'all great. That's

1672
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 1: what I've done all my life. I've done it with

1673
01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 1: celebrities too many to name, and I'm special because of that.

1674
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 1: I had to learn that about myself when I stopped

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Speaker 1: money Making Conversations with your host Rashaan McDonald. My next

1744
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Speaker 1: guest is he's a decision maker. He's a he's a CEO,

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Speaker 1: he's a celebrity in the world that he runs. He's

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Speaker 1: the most important. He's an entrepreneur. His name is Paul Epstein.

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Speaker 1: He's a fifteen year NFL and NBA executive, keynote speaker, host,

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Speaker 1: and author of the Power of Plan Offense. And I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna asking about because I'm a former comedian, I just

1750
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:14,320
Speaker 1: always do there's an offensive commedian and I said, not

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Speaker 1: offensive enus for fanity, but you can be an aggressive

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Speaker 1: and non aggressive. So we'll see if we're aligned in

1753
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:23,439
Speaker 1: that approach to how he's doing this this power playing mode.

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Speaker 1: Paul is an expert in leadership and organizational culture with

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Speaker 1: nearly fifteen years of experience as a professional sports executive

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Speaker 1: for multiple NFL and NBA teams, Wow, a global sports

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Speaker 1: agency in an NFL League office, leading and coaching business teams,

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Speaker 1: most recently the San Francisco, Floridian Hanners. It was there

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Speaker 1: that Paul had a life changing transformation. He found his

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Speaker 1: why to inspire purpose and others so they can play

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Speaker 1: offense in life. As founder a Purpose Lab this Purpose Labs,

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Speaker 1: Paul is on the mission to impact millions of lives

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Speaker 1: by sharing his message of planning offense as an author

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Speaker 1: keynote speaking the business coach, He's on the show to

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01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:03,280
Speaker 1: talk about leadership and the culture of being successful. Please

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Speaker 1: work with the money making conversation. Paul Epstein, Hey Rashan,

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Speaker 1: what an intro, My man, that's awesome. I can't wait

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Speaker 1: to dive in and just know you and I line

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Speaker 1: on so many levels. So let's do this. Well know,

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Speaker 1: the first of all, it's about lining, and let's talk

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01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 1: about that. Because of the fact that, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: let's let's get let's get the love march madness, it

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Speaker 1: hits you out to wait first, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: There's love here, Paul, There's love here, Paul. But so

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Speaker 1: pay Paul. I'm a graduate of the University Houston you're

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01:37:36,439 --> 01:37:42,600
Speaker 1: a proud graduate of the Michigan War Rooms, and a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago, you know your your Wolverine knocked

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Speaker 1: out my Cougars or what I call the last second

1779
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:56,040
Speaker 1: Jalen Sugs type shot. Oh Man, because sports has always

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Speaker 1: played I'm not an athlete, and I don't know a

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Speaker 1: few histories standards from being an athlete, but you know,

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01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:05,000
Speaker 1: sports is what this this This isn't such a strong

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Speaker 1: analogy in professionalism and corporate speak and so many different

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Speaker 1: Why does sports align itself so well when you're talking

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Speaker 1: about organizations, when you're talking about motivation, when you're talking

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Speaker 1: about teamwork. How does sports play such a major role

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01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:24,679
Speaker 1: like that? Paul, Yeah, that's a great one. And look,

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Speaker 1: I think on the surface everybody tapping into this conversation

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Speaker 1: can understand that what you look for in all put

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Speaker 1: it in the performance bucket. Whether you're performing on the

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Speaker 1: court or the field or in the boardroom, you're looking

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Speaker 1: for a lot of the same traits and characteristics. So

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Speaker 1: you want people that have that leveled up work ethic, positivity, coachability,

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Speaker 1: that sense of passion, and they ultimately need to have

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Speaker 1: a deeper purpose. In other words, do they believe deeply

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Speaker 1: in the game that they're playing, regardless of what walk

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Speaker 1: of life. When your why is strong enough, what I

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01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:07,320
Speaker 1: have discovered is you'll figure out the how because inevitably

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Speaker 1: life and business and sports. If it was all blue

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Speaker 1: skies and it would be easy. But you and I

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Speaker 1: both know, and we're coming off one of the more

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Speaker 1: tumultuous years that, at least personally I've seen. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: a lot of folks listening have experienced that being and

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01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:25,559
Speaker 1: so when you think about that adversity, it always strikes

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01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:28,720
Speaker 1: it's inevitable. We don't know when, we don't know how big.

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Speaker 1: And my argument for purpose is that it is the

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Speaker 1: fuel of courage, purposes, the fuel of resilience. And here's

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Speaker 1: how I boil it down. Purpose is going to keep

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Speaker 1: you on the treadmill of life, especially on the days

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Speaker 1: you want to get off. And that's really what I

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01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:52,680
Speaker 1: think can apply whether it's sports, whether it's business or

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Speaker 1: zoom out, and whether it's about life. And that's essentially

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Speaker 1: how I approached the power of playing offense. It's universally applicable.

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Speaker 1: You know. They're really interesting thing about it is that

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Speaker 1: some people get it right away, and I admire that,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I had. I wasn't into my forties

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Speaker 1: that I really trusted myself. I think purpose and trust

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01:40:13,880 --> 01:40:16,920
Speaker 1: is tied together. I believe so, and uh and so.

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Speaker 1: And why is that? You know, because you know, you

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Speaker 1: see talented people that have to be coached up, you

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Speaker 1: that were coached up, you know, have to be motivated

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01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:28,599
Speaker 1: because sometimes they don't believe that the gifts that God

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Speaker 1: have given them, or that the innate talents that have

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Speaker 1: made them special or shouldn't be shared on the court,

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01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:37,559
Speaker 1: shouldn't be shared at the level that they feel they

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01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:40,240
Speaker 1: can even expect of themselves. And you always hit the

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Speaker 1: story that Michael Jordan didn't play vosity, you know, because

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01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:46,320
Speaker 1: he was cut. So it was that because he didn't

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01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:49,000
Speaker 1: realize how great he could be, or he didn't realize

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Speaker 1: the talent he had at that moment. So when we're

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Speaker 1: talking about purpose, let's dive in a little bit deeper.

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Speaker 1: Not so much the book the book has. The book

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Speaker 1: is like, of course, in understanding the layers of how

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Speaker 1: to find it within you. That's what I loved about

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Speaker 1: your book. It's not a book, because I read a

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Speaker 1: lot of books, Paul, they just tell you do this,

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Speaker 1: do this to this. But your book tells you that,

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Speaker 1: but also tells you gives you steps on the look

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01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:16,280
Speaker 1: inside you and define your mission. And that's why I

1840
01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:19,880
Speaker 1: talk about telling people write your own story, and that's

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Speaker 1: what you're asking people to do with your book. Correct, Yes,

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Speaker 1: And I love where you're bringing us about not only

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01:41:26,720 --> 01:41:29,439
Speaker 1: knowing who you are, but really, in a nutshell, that's leadership.

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01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:34,680
Speaker 1: See the pieces Rashaan. Most books, when they're inspired from

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01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:38,439
Speaker 1: the right place, sometimes it comes from pain, right and

1846
01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:42,040
Speaker 1: my pain was this is the playbook that I never had.

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01:41:42,120 --> 01:41:44,519
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is I was trained

1848
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:48,240
Speaker 1: to be a manager, and I was trained to achieve results.

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01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:52,040
Speaker 1: I was training to gain success, but nobody gave me

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Speaker 1: the playbook for significance. Nobody gave me that playbook of what.

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01:41:56,840 --> 01:41:59,479
Speaker 1: Now I look at his leadership, which is before we

1852
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:03,560
Speaker 1: lead up ers, we must first lead ourselves. Where's that

1853
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:07,040
Speaker 1: playbook in the world? And that's that inward look, that's

1854
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:09,439
Speaker 1: that look in the mirror, that's that accountability to self.

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01:42:09,439 --> 01:42:11,679
Speaker 1: Because if we're not doing a great job of leading ourselves,

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Speaker 1: why are we trying to lead others and teens and

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Speaker 1: cultures and organizations? And that's really where this was, so

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Speaker 1: that that's ultimately you know, kind of what inspired it.

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Speaker 1: But also I spoke about the pain rashan and one

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Speaker 1: of those things is this is a harsh reality. But

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Speaker 1: six out of ten leaders in Fortune one thousand companies quote,

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Speaker 1: have never received a single day of leadership training. That's

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Speaker 1: a scary statistic because what that leads to is, and

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Speaker 1: this is very public information, seven out of ten working

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Speaker 1: folks in the world are disengaged. They don't like what

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Speaker 1: they do, who they do for where they do it. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, you kind of understand people's paining those challenges.

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Speaker 1: So I'm on a mission to flip that on its

1869
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Speaker 1: head because the working world and just the world in

1870
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Speaker 1: general I am aching is I want folks like you

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01:43:01,640 --> 01:43:05,280
Speaker 1: and I and everybody listening in to be inspired to

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Speaker 1: step into each day to make a contribution and an

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Speaker 1: impact that matters to them. And then on the back end,

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Speaker 1: I want them to be fulfilled. And here's where your

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01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:17,439
Speaker 1: story aligned so well with mine. I know that part

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Speaker 1: of your piece is leading with your gifts. Imagine if

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Speaker 1: every day you had an opportunity to exercise your gifts,

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Speaker 1: your talents, your passions. That's the world that I imagine.

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Speaker 1: And that's not only why I wrote the book, but

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Speaker 1: that's how I that's the spirit that I attack each

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Speaker 1: day with. You know, here's an interesting thing. I my

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Speaker 1: degrees in mathematics and minor and sociology. Sociology really changed

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Speaker 1: my life on how I look at people. It really

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Speaker 1: helps me shape my decisions today. Now, I my career

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Speaker 1: launched on stand up comedy. Stand up comedy, and so

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Speaker 1: when you start talking about that leadership, you know, that's

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Speaker 1: the natural part of me because I always figured if

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Speaker 1: I was in the room over of people, if I

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Speaker 1: got seventy people to laugh, then I was winning. You know,

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Speaker 1: I was gonna I wouldn't walk off because you're not

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Speaker 1: gonna get everybody. You know that. And so you know

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Speaker 1: the conversation we're having here. You have small work environments

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Speaker 1: as leadership, and then you have a larger small corporation

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Speaker 1: than large corporations. Is that culture that we're talking about,

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Speaker 1: that leadership culture. That's when you're saying, how do if

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Speaker 1: leaders aren't trained to be leaders, then they will fail

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Speaker 1: as the as the as the crowd gets bigger, they

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Speaker 1: can't hear you. You know, it's like everybody hear your conversation,

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Speaker 1: are you talking to the people in the back? I

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Speaker 1: remember Paul that was with Stephen and was talking about

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Speaker 1: playing big arenas like three thousand and seven thousand and

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Speaker 1: twenty thousand seat arenas. That's a lot of people to control.

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Speaker 1: And whenever we would go out on stage, we will

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Speaker 1: always make sure we pointed to the rear of the

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Speaker 1: arena just to let the people know we see you.

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Speaker 1: And that's what leadership is all about. Acknowledging that you

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Speaker 1: see everybody, even if you don't really see them, but

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Speaker 1: you acknowledge that they're there. And that where leadership falls

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Speaker 1: apart by not acknowledging everybody and giving them a sense

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Speaker 1: of purpose and also acknowledging they have a gift that

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Speaker 1: can be utilized significantly by this company or the role

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Speaker 1: that you play. Am I on the same page with

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Speaker 1: your book. Literally, the third killer Brishan is called salute

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Speaker 1: the long snapper. Now you don't need to be a

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Speaker 1: sports fan to get this analogy. I'll just break it

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Speaker 1: down in five seconds. The long snapper is the guy

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Speaker 1: that hikes the ball to the punter. They are the

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Speaker 1: person in life that if they do things right, they'll

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Speaker 1: never hear a word, but they do one thing wrong

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Speaker 1: and they'll never hear the end of it. And the

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Speaker 1: reality is we've all been a long snapper at some

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Speaker 1: point in our life. And so my mission in my

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Speaker 1: message here is we need to shine a light on

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Speaker 1: those long snappers because there's way more long snappers in

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Speaker 1: the world then there are star quarterbacks. But in business

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Speaker 1: and in a lot of walks, all we do is

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Speaker 1: praise the quarterback. We only praise the leader when you

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Speaker 1: and I both know that it takes a village and

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Speaker 1: until everybody long snappers included, they feel like they genuinely,

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Speaker 1: genuinely have a seat at the table, that's when they

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Speaker 1: know they matter. That's when they're gonna give their all

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Speaker 1: to the cause because they actually feel recognized, valued, seeing heard. So, yes,

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Speaker 1: you and I are hindred spirits in that way. Well

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Speaker 1: that's important because when you're trying to, you know, to

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Speaker 1: write a book, a book as good as I'm written

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Speaker 1: a book. Yet people can tell them I need to

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Speaker 1: write a book. And so so when I run across

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Speaker 1: a book like this and talks about leadership, talks about trust,

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Speaker 1: it talks about being able to show your role and

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Speaker 1: something you said earlier bout what do you the your

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Speaker 1: level of significance? Because I always talk to people about

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Speaker 1: significance because that's that puts a statement of your value.

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Speaker 1: Because you know, people can say, you know lebrod Jays

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Speaker 1: getting a lot of money, well because he stated his significance. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so so because he states significance, that can apply to you.

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Speaker 1: If you in the mail room, if you're a significant

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Speaker 1: person in the mail room, then guess what, They're gonna

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Speaker 1: move you out of the mail room because they see

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Speaker 1: value in you. Talk about how people and generally don't

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Speaker 1: understand that that's the key. Uh. I would tell a

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Speaker 1: story about when I was intern, Like, actually, I work

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Speaker 1: in the college intern at IBM, and they had told me,

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Speaker 1: Paul that they only kept people there for one semester

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Speaker 1: and that was it. Well, I stayed there for two

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Speaker 1: and a half years because I showed them that you

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Speaker 1: couldn't let me go because I had value to the

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Speaker 1: employees that you hired. There were full times and so

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Speaker 1: I played that game out because I trusted my natural instinct.

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Speaker 1: Now you're saying the same thing is that you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: You weren't in the sports world for fifteen years successfully

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Speaker 1: because they liked you. That can get you in the door.

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Speaker 1: But you understood they were to open up lanes of

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Speaker 1: significance that people value. That's why you retained that high

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Speaker 1: level of success. Can you break it down from our

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Speaker 1: viewers and listeners, Dent And the way that I will

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Speaker 1: break it down is this, And to your point, Rishan

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Speaker 1: is super important here. Yes, the success, but ultimately, especially

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Speaker 1: in the world I was in, you had to perform

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Speaker 1: or there was no seat at the table. And so

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Speaker 1: I understood that track record and street credit in all

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Speaker 1: these different things matter. But let me zoom out for

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Speaker 1: a second and then I'm gonna come back to success

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Speaker 1: and significance. I think at a larger societal level, one

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Speaker 1: of the challenges is we, especially here in the United States,

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Speaker 1: we're raised in a way where we look at your trophies,

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Speaker 1: we look at the brands that you represent or that

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Speaker 1: you associate with. We're always chasing success. And that's the

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Speaker 1: first mountain of life. And I did not know that

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Speaker 1: there was the second mountain coming, which is the one

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Speaker 1: about significance. But let me come back to the first

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Speaker 1: of success. So you're climbing, and you're climbing and the

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Speaker 1: better you are, the better your LinkedIn profile looks. You

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Speaker 1: just keep climbing and then inevitably what I do because

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Speaker 1: like you Roshan on my podcast, I'm interviewing some of

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Speaker 1: the most successful people in the world, and you know what,

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Speaker 1: one of the common things that I hear is, as

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've heard, I get to the top of

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Speaker 1: the mountain and I look around and I asked myself,

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Speaker 1: is this it? Like I did all that work, I

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Speaker 1: want all these trophies, I got the ultimate level of success,

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Speaker 1: and on the inside, I don't feel fulfilled. The goal

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Speaker 1: post keep moving further away. I get one promotion, I

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Speaker 1: just want the next. I get one pay raise, I

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Speaker 1: just want more, and it's a game of more and

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Speaker 1: more and you never get there. That's the first mountain

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Speaker 1: of life, which is success. What I graduated too because

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Speaker 1: of some hard times, because I wasn't feeling alive on

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Speaker 1: the inside. Significance is the second mountain, because if success

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Speaker 1: is about self, significance is about serving others. I didn't

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Speaker 1: know that was important when I was younger. I was

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Speaker 1: told it, but my ego got in the way. So

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Speaker 1: now I step into the world of service, of contribution,

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Speaker 1: of impact of leaving it better than I found it,

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Speaker 1: whether that means of people or place. And I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you Rashan. Ever, since I started to focus on significance

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Speaker 1: over success, that's when my life took off. And here's

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Speaker 1: the last piece for you. I've met many people that

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Speaker 1: have success but don't feel significance. However, I have never

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Speaker 1: met a single one person that has achieved significance and

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Speaker 1: it's not successful. It's interesting how that works out. We know,

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Speaker 1: it's really it's really great conversation we happen because you know,

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Speaker 1: I can share so many examples. And when my dominant

2013
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Speaker 1: examples was when I was managing Steve Harvey. Despite all

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Speaker 1: my success, I was confused. And confusion can block your

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Speaker 1: significance because you have to have a clear path to

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Speaker 1: what you're trying to achieve in life. You know, I

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Speaker 1: don't care about the m A is, the image awards,

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Speaker 1: the number one box office success, the number one books,

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Speaker 1: family few being, number one talk shows being launched. I

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Speaker 1: I lost my significance. I lost my I was confused

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Speaker 1: as to where I wanted to go, you know, the

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Speaker 1: next five or ten years, because in two thousand, when

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Speaker 1: I started to manage I was clearly had a path

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Speaker 1: of what I wanted to do with him. He had

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Speaker 1: clearly a path what he wanted to do with me.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to change the game. We wanted to do

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Speaker 1: talk shows, we want to do game shows. We wanted

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Speaker 1: to just be a dominant force. But along the way,

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Speaker 1: you know, you, You, You, You, You start realizing is

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Speaker 1: that the same dream for you now? And that's when

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Speaker 1: the confusion said in for me, and that you want

2032
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Speaker 1: to let people know that when you start talking about

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Speaker 1: finding your significance, finding your why, it cannot be tied

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Speaker 1: to confusion. If you're confused by anything you're trying to

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Speaker 1: do or achieve, you will not achieve to sgnificance. And

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Speaker 1: I wanted to And one of the reasons I wanted

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Speaker 1: to talk to you today I wanted to be honest

2038
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Speaker 1: because I felt after reading your book, I had to

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Speaker 1: be honest to be able to tell people why this

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Speaker 1: book is relatable to me and what it's readable. Because

2041
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Speaker 1: of the fact that you can see people label successful,

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Speaker 1: label got everything you want, the cards, and they've got

2043
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Speaker 1: all they amplified on social media, But what is their

2044
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Speaker 1: point of view? I did not have it, Poul. I

2045
01:52:26,760 --> 01:52:30,720
Speaker 1: did not have it, and reading your book helped refocus

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Speaker 1: me and realized I had it. I just didn't. I

2047
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:36,760
Speaker 1: just didn't drill down and just start saying you can't

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Speaker 1: have this. This is not it, This is not it,

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01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:40,680
Speaker 1: this is not it. This is you. And that's what

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Speaker 1: your book enabled me to say. Now on this call,

2051
01:52:43,960 --> 01:52:46,959
Speaker 1: is that my leading, my gifts. That's ro Sean McDonald

2052
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Speaker 1: and everything that I've done in building to this moment,

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01:52:50,439 --> 01:52:53,200
Speaker 1: money making conversations, that's what Sean McDonald. These are brands

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01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:55,680
Speaker 1: that have been built out out of what I want

2055
01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:57,960
Speaker 1: to talk about. And that's what this book is about.

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Speaker 1: Is when I tell people, you know, up reading other

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Speaker 1: people's success stores and start writing your own. And that's

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Speaker 1: what your book is telling everybody. Paul talk to us, bingo, Yeah,

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01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:11,599
Speaker 1: you just nailed it. That's that's essentially when I could say,

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Speaker 1: are you living and leading with purpose? Which that's an

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Speaker 1: honest question for us to ask ourselves and where whether

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01:53:18,360 --> 01:53:21,080
Speaker 1: it's this playbook or whether it's just the way that

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01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:24,080
Speaker 1: you enter each day, think of it from this framework.

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Speaker 1: I call this your identity model, right, and everybody listening

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Speaker 1: to this has an identity and my challenges are we

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Speaker 1: being authentic to our identity. So let me break this down.

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Speaker 1: The inner layer of your identity is your purpose. Your

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Speaker 1: purpose is your why. The next layer are your core values,

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Speaker 1: and your values are your who. So if the innermost

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Speaker 1: layers of your identity is a combination of your why

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Speaker 1: and your who, what that then does they inform your

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Speaker 1: leaf system, how you make decisions, your daily behaviors, and

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Speaker 1: last but not least, your actions. So this outermost layer

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Speaker 1: is how you show up every day. The question is

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Speaker 1: your outer layers connected to the inner layers? In other words,

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Speaker 1: are you showing up in a way that's aligned and

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Speaker 1: connected to who you are at your core? Prior to

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Speaker 1: finding my purpose, the answer was heck no, absolutely not, Rashan,

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Speaker 1: I was not I was misaligned, I was not connected.

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Speaker 1: I lacked some sense of authenticity because I was over

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Speaker 1: chasing success. But now I'm on this second mountain of

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Speaker 1: life called significance, and that's where I started to align

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Speaker 1: who I am on my best day and I just

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Speaker 1: rinse and repeat every single day, but it means nothing

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Speaker 1: unless I show up through my actions, behaviors, and decisions.

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Speaker 1: That's how you live and lead with purpose, and it's

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Speaker 1: something that I'm so grateful that I realized that lesson

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Speaker 1: over the course of my life is that's literally what

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Speaker 1: I do for a living. My calling is to pay

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Speaker 1: this gift forward because I want people to experience the

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Speaker 1: same transformation that I had. It's amazing. I'm talking to

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Speaker 1: Paul's abstained and he's an expert in leadership and organization

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Speaker 1: of culture. But of the last fifteen years he's been

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Speaker 1: a success. But he defined and redefined himself when he

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Speaker 1: discovered his why. And here's the funny thing about you know,

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Speaker 1: if you if you would have been watching me read

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Speaker 1: this book, you know I'm very animated. And so it's

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Speaker 1: two phrases I always use. Paul always tell people, don't

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Speaker 1: be afraid to fire people because you're stopping them from

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Speaker 1: living the dream they want to live. Okay, remember that phone. Okay.

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Speaker 1: And then I always tell people, you know, because a

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Speaker 1: lot of people, you know, racism does exist. But I

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Speaker 1: always tell people, at least give yourself a shot. And

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Speaker 1: I always tell people that if the the way you

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Speaker 1: give yourself a shot is decisions are always made looking

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Speaker 1: by a person looking left, looking right, and in front.

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Speaker 1: Nobody turns around and makes a decision. Okay, if you

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Speaker 1: and intentionally standing behind somebody, or you're standing behind somebody

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Speaker 1: while they're making a decision. They're not gonna pick you,

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Speaker 1: So understand you. You understand why you're there. You may

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Speaker 1: want to get you might need to get fired or

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Speaker 1: fighting the job now and reading your book, this line

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Speaker 1: really made me dance. It says, is in the is

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Speaker 1: in the transformation of disengaged to inspire. Look to your left,

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Speaker 1: look to your right. Seven out of ten people don't

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Speaker 1: want to be here. They'd rather be working somewhere else

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Speaker 1: for someone else. That let me knew that was perfectly

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Speaker 1: aligned because you took two of my concepts and send

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Speaker 1: it in one sentence. I'll tell people look to the left,

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Speaker 1: look to the right, looking front. If you're not in

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Speaker 1: that person's visual site of decision maker, you're not part

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Speaker 1: of that culture. And that's what you're talking about. If

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Speaker 1: the person is at your state of employment, they're not

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Speaker 1: working up to your expectations, fired them, let them go

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Speaker 1: so they can go do the job that they really

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Speaker 1: want to do. But you need to push them and

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Speaker 1: enable them doing by disenfranchising them from this opportunity that

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Speaker 1: they don't want to be it. And that's what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: tell us the significance of that statement right there in

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Speaker 1: your book, because it was transformatable for me, because it

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Speaker 1: made me allign myself with saying stay focused with Sean,

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Speaker 1: you're doing the right things, because that's what he's saying

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Speaker 1: in his book, Stay focused and align yourself with people

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Speaker 1: who follow the same path. Yeah. I think it's not

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Speaker 1: only aligning yourself with people that that connect you in

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Speaker 1: terms of your core spirit, but I also think in

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Speaker 1: a very practical way. I'll actually let the audience in

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Speaker 1: on a little bit of a backstory. So this is

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Speaker 1: what led to that Jerry McGuire moment when I took

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Speaker 1: that leap of faith away from sports, which is a

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Speaker 1: decision I never thought I would make. But it was

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Speaker 1: my executive coach who and you called it out earlier

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Speaker 1: with Sean from the University in Michigan, So go Blue.

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Speaker 1: My executive NBA coach. Her name is Suanne so when

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Speaker 1: and I had a combo when I was head of

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Speaker 1: sales and business development for the San Francisco forty niners,

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Speaker 1: and literally this was it. She said, Paul, I know

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Speaker 1: what you do, what do you love about it? What

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Speaker 1: do you hate about it? And what's in the middle,

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01:58:04,520 --> 01:58:06,920
Speaker 1: meaning what do you tolerate? So love, hate, tolerate, and

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Speaker 1: I want everybody to ask yourself those three questions about

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Speaker 1: what it is that you do. And then she said, okay,

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Speaker 1: go deeper on that love bucket. And I said, all right,

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Speaker 1: so you Anne, I love being a coach just like you.

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Speaker 1: I love the people side, the culture side of business.

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Speaker 1: I love investing in relationships. And she just said, awesome,

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Speaker 1: on a good day, what percentage of your time are

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Speaker 1: you doing that? And I started to sing down in

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Speaker 1: my chair because I knew the answer was a little ugly. Literally,

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Speaker 1: I was in strategy meeting after meeting sometimes meetings talk

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Speaker 1: about meetings and all this noise. But I wasn't doing

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Speaker 1: what I love to do. I was working in an

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Speaker 1: industry that I loved, but the job I fell out

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Speaker 1: of love with it. And here's the reality, and here's

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Speaker 1: the takeaway for everybody listening in. From that point forward,

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Speaker 1: I started to say, what I do on a day

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Speaker 1: to day, every activity of each day, it either gives

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Speaker 1: me energy or it depletes me of my energy. There's

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Speaker 1: no in between. Something gives you fuel or it depletes

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Speaker 1: you of your fuel. So you need to be honest

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Speaker 1: with yourself, and not only in the mirror, but if

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Speaker 1: you're in a leadership position, how do the people around

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Speaker 1: you feel? And so when I said that seven out

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Speaker 1: of ten people being disengaged, and you just shined a

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Speaker 1: light on that statistic, Rashan, I'm basically saying that most

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Speaker 1: of us do things every day that deplete us of

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Speaker 1: our fuel. We are disengaged. It's not tied to our purpose.

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Speaker 1: It's paycheck over purpose. And so how can we get

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Speaker 1: in tune with who we are what energizes us? Because

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Speaker 1: that's the key. What are you curious about? What gives

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Speaker 1: you energy that will help you find your passion, that

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Speaker 1: will help you find your purpose. But don't worry about

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Speaker 1: the purpose thing that's too big. On step one, that

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Speaker 1: step five in the game. Step one is what are

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Speaker 1: you curious about? What gives you energy? And there's hints

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Speaker 1: in there about your passion. That's where I would start,

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Speaker 1: you know, And it's absolutely true. And the one thing

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Speaker 1: that really launched me. I was doing an interview and

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Speaker 1: that we were talking about age. Were talking about so

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Speaker 1: many people just stop their dreams when they get fifty

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Speaker 1: or in the sixties, seventy they think they can't do

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Speaker 1: anything beyond that. And as we wrap talk to about

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Speaker 1: audience about not letting age diminished your significance, diminishing your

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Speaker 1: purpose and stopping you from living your dreams. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: a great one. And and look, I think where we

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Speaker 1: can all align is even if the word conversation for

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Speaker 1: some you know, some people find themselves in a career,

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Speaker 1: others in a job, so we're not all in the

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Speaker 1: same spot there. But here's where I think we can

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Speaker 1: align and find common ground relationships. And in this case,

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Speaker 1: I would say the way that I boil it down

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Speaker 1: is every day you're with the wrong person is the

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Speaker 1: day that you're not with the right person. Right. So, like,

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Speaker 1: if you think of life in that sense, is it

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Speaker 1: ever too late to meet the one? Is it ever

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Speaker 1: too late to transition from job to career to calling

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Speaker 1: It's never too late. Age has nothing to do with it.

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Speaker 1: I would argue that even if I could fast forward

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Speaker 1: decades ahead in my life, if I was not feeling

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Speaker 1: significance or purpose, it would still be the greatest gift

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Speaker 1: that I had ever received. Ages the number, the mission is,

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Speaker 1: the goal is you want to feel alive and every

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Speaker 1: day you don't feel alive, You're only getting in your

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Speaker 1: own way. So let's lock arms, let's need it the

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Speaker 1: fifty as I say, and let's feel alive. You know that,

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Speaker 1: that the infamous fifty yard line. You know you can need,

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Speaker 1: you know, And that's why I go back to sports man.

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Speaker 1: I you know, I I um. I've never played professional sports,

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Speaker 1: nor collegiate or high school, but for sports, tend to

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Speaker 1: people with your female male in age groups. In your

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Speaker 1: role and being a guy who's who's walked in stadium

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Speaker 1: sold out, what is the most just maybe a question

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Speaker 1: that the question that was in your book, just a

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Speaker 1: question about a person who's lived at that glorified world

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Speaker 1: of seeing people, fans fandom. What is your biggest takeaway

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Speaker 1: the fans can take away while watching sports that they

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Speaker 1: can give to their personal life and professional life. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so let's say here in a pack stadium and other

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Speaker 1: people may look at seventy thousand folks and see seventy

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Speaker 1: thousand fans my perspective, and this is a great life lesson.

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Speaker 1: Every seat has a story. So when I look out

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Speaker 1: at seventy thou people, I see seventy thousand stories that

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Speaker 1: are in the making. So I see somebody that just

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Speaker 1: came back from serving overseas. I see somebody that just

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Speaker 1: battled cancer and is now in remission and top of

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Speaker 1: their bucket list. Let me go watch my favorite team play.

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Speaker 1: I see a mother, father, daughter, son, a family afford

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Speaker 1: creating a lifelong memory that they just don't realize that

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Speaker 1: the next three hours is about to deliver. That's how

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Speaker 1: I see a stadium. That's how I see the world,

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Speaker 1: and that's how I see people. It's about humanity and

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we all have a story.

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Speaker 1: And just remember, whether it's a company or even inside

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Speaker 1: your house, every seat has a story. The power of

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Speaker 1: planned offense. Paul Epstein, I want to thank you for

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Speaker 1: coming on my show, Money Making Conversations. Man, can we

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Speaker 1: be friends? Brother? I know we we've done of course,

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Speaker 1: you know, of course this is a lifelong journey. You know,

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Speaker 1: because I come out to California, and I lived in

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Speaker 1: of my favorite communities to go out that e and

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Speaker 1: so Steven A Smith and not doing a lot of

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Speaker 1: TV projects out there. So I'd love to introduce you

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Speaker 1: to him. I think it's somebody that you love meeting

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Speaker 1: sit around and talk because he's a journalist background, and

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Speaker 1: we're doing a lot of productions, and I think that

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Speaker 1: we may want to slide into some production together on

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Speaker 1: the TV media side as well. Paul, okay, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: would love to would love to meet you at the

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Speaker 1: fifty as well as stephen A. So appreciate you'll be

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Speaker 1: I know, I know. Brother. Thank you for coming on

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Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations. Paul, all right, thank you, be well.

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