1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: today's best minds and Georgia voters have broken early voting 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: records in the Senate runoff. We have one hell of 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: a show for you today. Emily Atkin, who writes the 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: climate change newsletter Heated, talks to us about the latest 7 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: news in climate. Then we'll talk to Dennis Barron, author 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: of You Can't Always Say what you want about the 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: free speech absolutists like one Elon Mush. But first we 10 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: have the host of the Enemies List the Lincoln Projects, 11 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: Rick Wilson. Welcome back to UH Fast Politics fan favorite. 12 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: Rick Wilson. Good afternoon, Molly, Good afternoon, Jessin. How are 13 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: you guys? Sunday? Well, we're going to talk about the 14 00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: only three topics there are in American life. Ellen Trump, 15 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: Kanye go E, three men tied together, my face, drawn 16 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: into a drawn into a matrix of narcissism, money, ego violence, 17 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: and anti Semitic craziness this spring. It's personally what I 18 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: think is interesting about the three of them is so 19 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: this weekend we learned that Twitter removed tweets of Hunter 20 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: Biden's penis well, I've been told if you don't post 21 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: Dick pics from Hunter Biden's ledged laptop for the arousal 22 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: of the Maga Horde, that you're that you're violating the 23 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: Constitution and the election should be rebooted, because obviously, because 24 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: you violated the First Amendment, by the way, that's punishable 25 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: by death. In case you're wondering a violation of the 26 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: First Amendment, treason, treason I've been told has bought seven 27 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: six forty You told me, well, I've been told by 28 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: a bot who appears to either be a Japanese anime 29 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: character or a Russian supermodel, and in her or it's 30 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: or his profile, it definitely says that they are one 31 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: a to a maga Constitution patriot back the Blue. Jesus 32 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: is my Lord and Savior. That anyone who believes that 33 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: the election did not swing on the single issue of 34 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: whether Hunter Biden's Dick pics would appear on Twitter is 35 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: a littard cut shill, Soros, World Economic Forum rifter pedophile. 36 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: Because you know, obviously there were so many millions of 37 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: Americans who were looking and saying, well, you know, I 38 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: guess we have a half a million dead people from 39 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: COVID and a maniac for president who has been lavishly 40 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: corrupt personally cruel is surrounded by Q and On conspiracy 41 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: theories and insane people. But the real question is whether 42 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden's dick pics appear on Twitter. I don't know, listen. 43 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: I have not sorted out individuals are actually around Elon 44 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: at all times now. But we know it's Jason, and 45 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: we know it's David Sachs, and we know it's a 46 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: few of these others. But there's got to be somebody, Molly, 47 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: who is in the middle of this matrix, who has 48 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: become like the Gateway pundit whisperer, right, there must be no, No, 49 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: there's got of ache bag in this mix somewhere. And 50 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: maybe it's Andy. No, Andy, Antifa isn't real. Repeat, Antifa 51 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: is not real, right, Or maybe it's Pizza Jack or 52 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: could be Mikey C. And I also smell a certain 53 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: funk of Greenwold about him. What I call the funk 54 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: of Greenwold. It's a kind of it's a kind of 55 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: dusky jungle scent from the Brazilian rainforest with poison. I 56 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: think I think it's so interesting about this crew is 57 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: they really think that the Hunter Biden laptop thing, which 58 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: has by the way, no has not delivered for Republicans 59 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: in nor in two So let's give it another shot 60 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: in this will be the thing, this thing that no 61 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: one gives a funk about, it is going to finally 62 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: be the thing that brings down the Biden administration. I 63 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: just want to read to you from the brilliant Tim 64 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: Miller piece in The Bulwark. It was fantastic. I just 65 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: want to read the title first. Uh no, you do 66 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: not have a constitutional right to post Hunter Biden's dick 67 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: pics on Twitter. But my favorite was this comment from 68 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: here we Go. Right wing commentator Buck Sexton again real name, 69 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: said this was a bright red line, bright red line violation, 70 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: whatever that means, and Biden should be impeached for it. 71 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: I want to point out that all of these links 72 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: that were taken down were taken down well Biden was 73 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: a candidate and Donald Trump was president. So technically, as 74 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: I as I posted to Buck Sexton before he deleted 75 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: that tweet, I wrote, calendars, how do they work? Because 76 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: I really wanted to know, I mean, is there some 77 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: sort of Biden time machine we don't know about. Is 78 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: there some sort of portal that he had with a 79 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: wormhole to lead to the past or something. The thing 80 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: that offends me the most about it, that I will 81 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: never get tired of, is I actually am a constitutional 82 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: conservative and believes the Constitution is the operating system of 83 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: the United States, as flawed as it is. But these 84 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: fuckers they don't believe in anything. It's like a constitutional 85 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: constitutional rugs being valid, but a company. Wait a second, 86 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: hold on, what could you read that for me? Could 87 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: you read that for me from the actual Constitution? Will know? 88 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: What is that in the older the New Testament? I don't. 89 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: I don't see it. You know, these fucking people they 90 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: believe whatever convenience of the moment, whatever instantaneous thing arouses 91 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: their ire or their or their dander, as my grandmother 92 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: would say, for for the thirty seconds of attention they 93 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: give it. That's the thing that's treason and it's unconstitutional. 94 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: And why are you not in get now? The storm 95 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: is coming TMT dot org every fucking time you see 96 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: these people like how dare you treat the life January 97 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: six protesters so cruelly by putting people who can get 98 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: in crimes in prison, weather Away. It's so awful, and 99 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: it's like, well, I think that you you you hang 100 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: out with Hollywood liberals. Therefore you're a pedophile. You should 101 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: be burned alive right now in a cage. Okay? Cool? Yeah, 102 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: Well you gotta have it one way or the other. Right. 103 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: I understand your system of jurisprudence is random and arbitrary, 104 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: but does that really sounded the country want to live in? Okay? Now? Um, 105 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 1: I just want to say that the thing that I'm 106 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: baffled by is okay. So there's a large percentage of 107 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,679 Speaker 1: people slash bots, slash people, ish right something between people 108 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: and bots that believe right that you should get the 109 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: den right the death penalty, violating the First Amendment by 110 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: not letting Hunter Biden's dick pick be posted on Twitter. 111 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: But here's my question for you. Elon Musk is not 112 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: a human body he or not yet anyway. He is 113 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: actually like a real, fully grown billionaire who's made zillions 114 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: of dollars and is the CEO of two companies. What 115 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: the fuck? Like? I get, like what happened to Matt Taibi? 116 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: I get what happened to Glenn Greenwald, whoa hold the funk? 117 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: Up and hold the funk up. Yes, I don't get 118 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: what happened to Matt Taibian clean Greenwald. Even if I 119 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: got it, I wouldn't excuse it, Okay Taibi as apparently 120 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: he's angling to be like head of calms for alt right, inc. 121 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: Whatever the funk that whole business was, which was very selective, 122 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: as we noted a lot more attention to the please 123 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: remove the dick pics of Hunter Biden from the Biden 124 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: campaign versus the incumbent president's campaign complaining about you know, 125 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: why are you removing these people talking about I've mecton 126 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: or whatever the fucking was. But but let me look 127 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: back on this for one second. The idea that this 128 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: clack of people now surrounds Elon Musk, the wealthiest man 129 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: in the world, for now that they have basically given 130 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: him the right mind virus, that they're trying to use 131 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: their their like broship with him to convert Twitter into 132 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: a a weaponized element of the right wing media machine 133 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: and to kill it off for everybody else. It's becoming 134 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: incredibly obvious how committed they are to this, and that 135 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: how much of a sucker he is. I want to 136 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: play cards with this fucking guy, because okay, dude, you're 137 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: great at selling your rockets or your or your cars 138 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: or whatever, and maybe you're pretty smart about some things, 139 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: but they are playing him. I've come to believe that 140 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 1: this guy is one of these people who's incredibly narrowly talented. 141 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: And some people one time told me, like, the most 142 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: weirdly talented people in the world are like opera singers. 143 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: They have a specific skill that is a most unique 144 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: in the world. There are a dozen great opera singers 145 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: in any given time, and most of them can't wipe 146 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: their own ass. Most of them cannot like call a 147 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: fucking cab. And the weird thing about Elon, I mean 148 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: increasingly coming to believe is that there's a group of 149 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: people around him who has decided to and somehow they 150 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: got the vector into him, and now he believes, like 151 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 1: he used to believe, that humanity needed to become a 152 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: space faring civilization. We need to build a complicated engineering 153 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 1: structure of rockets that can do heavy lift to orbits 154 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: so we can escape the Earth in case there's a 155 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: giant tragedy. And okay, he was getting pretty good at that, 156 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: but now they've convinced him that the world is run 157 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: by shape shifting lizard alien pedophiles, and only Twitter posting 158 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden's dick pits can can save us because free speech. 159 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you, I gotta tell you the 160 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: the the idea that the apotheosis of free speech is 161 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: putting fucking Andrew Anglin and Richard Spencer back on the platform. Yeah, 162 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: that's fantastic. You know, I'm sorry, maybe there will be 163 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: consequence to that, because every advertiser I and think of 164 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: right now, they've been carefully monitoring the Twitter situation and 165 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: they're like, man, I hope that Daily Stormer comes back 166 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: on the platform, because that's going to really really convince 167 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: us to put our brand dollars behind the same place 168 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: we can get Richard Spencer and Andrew England content. My god, 169 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: can we just rename it chan. That'd be fantastic. I 170 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: can't wait to not spend my brand's advertising dollars on 171 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: that platform, right, I mean, think about all the money 172 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: that goes into four chan and eight chan for advertising. 173 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: People love Nazi content the best. Here's the thing, not 174 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: even the fucking my pillow guy advertises on the chance, right, 175 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: good point. And if you've lost if you've lost Mike Lindell. 176 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: I do feel like there's a world in which Michael 177 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: and Dell and you know, Ellen end up as comrades 178 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: and arms right, you know, I think that. I think 179 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: the charming buddy picture that's going to emerge from this planes, 180 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: trans and automobiles with the two of them, Mike and 181 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: Ellen's big adventure, it would be like like platforms, rockets 182 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: and brain chips, I mean misadventure. Well, yes, he's now 183 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: across country people by rage and conspiracy theories. It's Lindell, 184 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: you think Elon stays on the course here, or you 185 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: think something crazy happens mad Toheebi te B Taibi continues 186 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: to release more Hunter Biden Dick picks. I mean, where 187 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: does this go? Well, look, I think this is a 188 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: guy who is so far in it now. You know, 189 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: it's the old Hunter s. Thompson thing. Once you're into 190 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: a serious drug drug habit, it's hard to you know, 191 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: it's hard to know when to stop or whatever the phrases. 192 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: I think he's so dug in on this now, and 193 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: I think these people surrounding him have found just like 194 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: Steve Bannon has some sort of weird like scab covered 195 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: charm for exotic four billionaires. These guys have figured out 196 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: some way to play Elon's vanities or whatever I mean. 197 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: For fox sake, Bro, you're in your fifties, stop being 198 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: like the Peppie the Frog meme reply guy and starts 199 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: acting like a serious person. He's not right now in 200 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: a position I think where he can stop. Right, It 201 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 1: does seem like he's not able to stop whatever it 202 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 1: is he's doing. Yeah, right, there's either a mental framework 203 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: he's in where he can't stop, or these people have 204 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 1: suckered him so thoroughly where he keeps thinking, Okay, well, 205 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: I'll just pull the lever another time and hope that 206 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: this time the food pellet comes out instead of the 207 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: electro shock around my dick, because they've obviously conditioned him 208 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: in some way to believe that. You know, if you 209 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: just do enough ship with the alt right, you'll somehow 210 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: find a mysterious audience of people who are out there 211 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: waiting to just surge into the platform with a billions 212 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: of dollars and be an audience profile that becomes valuable 213 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: to people who would advertise for billions of dollars. Right now, 214 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: it's increasingly like, well, you know is four chan not 215 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: racy enough for you? Will come on over to the bird. 216 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: All right, we have to stop talking about Elon Moscos 217 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: who cares? We have to talk about the Constitution being paused? 218 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: Who or taking it suspended? I'm sorry every fucking Republican 219 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: in the country. And and by the way, let me 220 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: give you reporters, because I'm not a reporter. I'm not 221 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 1: a journalist. I'm just an asshole who makes TVs for 222 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: a living and writes a couple of books here and there. 223 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: Let's just help you guys out here. Let me give 224 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 1: you the thirty second brief on how to do this. 225 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: You go up to Congressman so and so or Senator 226 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: so and so or Governor Ron De Santis, and you say, 227 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: do you agree with Donald J. Trump, former President of 228 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: the United States, that the Constitution should be suspended? And 229 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. And they'll say, we'll let 230 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: haven't seen the twee eats. I'm not not truth social. 231 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: I don't know, but that seems like I don't know 232 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 1: the whole context of that. And what you do then 233 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: is you pull your arm back across your chest. You 234 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: take your right arm and pull it across your chest 235 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: so your your right hand rest on your left shoulder. 236 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: You flatten your hand down, and you slap the shift 237 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: out of them across the face with the back of 238 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: the hand archie, because that's what that's what it hurts 239 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: the most. And you say, do you agree with Donald 240 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: Trump the Constitution to be suspended because of because no 241 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: one got to see Hunter Biden's dick picks, and reporters 242 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: won't do it. They won't fucking do it, And then 243 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: they'll ask themselves someday like I don't understand what we're 244 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: being put on this fucking real car. What I just 245 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: both sides are a point to make. No, they are 246 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: not both sides of a fucking lie. There are not 247 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: both sides of a sucking outrage. This is a moment 248 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: where the leader of the Republican Party, Donald J. Trump, 249 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: who is the leader of the election field, who is 250 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: the leader of the conservative for whatever that word means 251 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: now movement in this country, right, they will not in 252 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: the end say the magic words and hear the magic words. 253 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: And I'll repeat these for Republicans if you're listening. I 254 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: will not vote for Donald Trump in the primary or 255 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: general election. I will not vote for Donald Trump in 256 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: the primary or general election. I Senator John bumble Fuck 257 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: will not vote for Donald Trump in the primary or 258 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: general election. If they did that, they would somehow crack 259 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: open the tiniest little window of possibility that history will 260 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: not view all of them as complete fucking dip shits. Really, 261 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: I think it's too late, hasn't that chip sailed? As 262 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: I said, It's the tiniest possibility if they go out 263 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: after they do that in like cure various childhood cancers, 264 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: or to work amongst the poor and deserving for three decades. 265 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: But most of them are doing what they always do. 266 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: And this is a gigantic, colossal, ongoing failure of our 267 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: national media. You that they've built a sort of behavioral 268 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: pattern where they say like, well, I'm not untruth social 269 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: I didn't see that, or or if he did that, 270 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: that would be these like triple nested conditional phrases. If 271 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: he did that, and that was the full context of it, 272 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: And I couldn't imagine what the situation would be where 273 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: I could see anywhere but issuing a sternly awarded and 274 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: deeply knitted brow criticism of him. I mean, come on, people, 275 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: but It's a failure of America's media that they let 276 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: them get away with it time and time and time 277 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: and time and time again. They don't ask them the 278 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: critical question because you know what, for all, I'll do 279 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: the mitch here. I'm gonna do the mitch for you already, Donna, 280 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: We're gonna enter a somewhat what Colinria it's how rageous. 281 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: But when he's the nominally of my party, I'm gonna 282 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: have to overlook that. That's because that's that's that's the 283 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: underpinning of all this bullshit. They will still not say 284 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: that there's a line that Trump can cross that they 285 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: won't bend and break for they cannot say it. They 286 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: will not say it. They refuse to say it over 287 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: and over and over and over again. And it's the 288 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: easiest goddamn thing in the world. Emily Atkin is the 289 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: author of the newsletter Heated. Welcome Too Fast Politics, Emily, 290 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: thanks for having me, glad to be here. Should we 291 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: talk first about Elon Musk? I feel like that's what 292 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: we have to talk about. We have to Okay, sure, 293 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: let's do it. I'm sorry you write a newsletter called Heated, 294 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: which focuses on climate um and is incredibly brilliant and amazing. 295 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: And you have a piece in it called the Climate 296 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: Case against Elon Musk. What is the climate case against 297 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:55,479 Speaker 1: Elon Musk? Apparently it's just a piece to rile up 298 00:17:55,480 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: all the Elon Musk fanboys again to personally bring myself 299 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: of pain and suffering. That is, how dare you criticize? 300 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: I too have been told that I am too stupid 301 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: to understand the genius. And I'm used to this because 302 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: a big part of what I consider my job as 303 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: a climate reporter is to try and talk about the 304 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: role that billionaires play in fueling the climate crisis. And 305 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: a lot of billionaires also happened to be the philanthropic 306 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: in the climate change space, Bill Gates, Michael Bloomberg, Jeff Bezos. 307 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: But Elon Musk, he's a whole in a whole different 308 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: category because of Tesla, and because Tesla was really the 309 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: first electric car company in the United States really take off, 310 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: really like in the world, to to take off and 311 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: prove that there is a viable market for electric cars. 312 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: There's an argument that many people make that he can 313 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: do no wrong for the climate, and that he is 314 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: the most important human being for the climate that he's 315 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: done the most individually to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. And 316 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: I felt that one job as a climate reporter was 317 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: to say, like, hold up, I don't know that that's true. 318 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: I mean, of course you're wrong, because Elon Musk is 319 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: the greatest genius ever. Well, and that's what I've learned 320 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: that just in case those Internet people aren't right, explained 321 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: to us what you found. I do want to preface 322 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: this by saying that I don't discount the positive climate 323 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: impact of having a successful electric vehicle company like Tesla, right, 324 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: Like that is hugely important to be developing these vehicles, right, 325 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: But that's only one part of a large climate puzzle 326 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: that we're dealing with. And the way that we assess countries, 327 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 1: the way that we assess corporations, is not in the 328 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: one good thing they did, the one great thing they did, 329 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: even I'm willing to entertain that idea, right, it is cumulatively. 330 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: I try to make this point in my piece that 331 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: if the United States shuts down coal plants, that's amazing, 332 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: But if we also add twenty million cars to the road, 333 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: that's nothing. You've done nothing, right, So you can look 334 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: at the impact of Tesla and perhaps subjectively come out 335 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: to the conclusion that this is an incredible company for 336 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: the climate. But Elon Musk is a human. How do 337 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: we assess Elon Musk as a human? I think it's 338 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: really tough to objectively make an assessment of one person 339 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: because emissions are so complicated and they happen. There's emissions now, 340 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: and then there's emissions in the future. Are you mad 341 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: at him about his jed, Well, Elon must have. Elon 342 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: Musk lives on his JED. Okay, he takes it very 343 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: short distances all the time. To be fair, I wasn't 344 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: even considering his jet because among blie he actually has 345 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: one of the lower climate footprints, which is still a 346 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: much more massive footprint than say you or I have, 347 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: or any like normal person has, But it's like less 348 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: than like Bill Gates's climate footprint. But anyway, so Tesla 349 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: as a whole, sure it's good for the climate, But 350 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: Elon Musk as a whole, I'm not sure that that's 351 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: the case. Let's just take for one, his public advocacy 352 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: of putting Republicans in power. It doesn't make any sense 353 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: that you could be the biggest climate hero of all 354 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: time and advocate putting literal climate deniers whose only energy 355 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 1: policy is more fossil fuels, and whose policy is to 356 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: revoke the energy credits, the renewable energy credits that made 357 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: Tesla successful in the first place. It doesn't make any 358 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: sense number one, and number two, If what Elon Musk 359 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: is advocating for happens, if Republicans do take power, then 360 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: all of the climate gains are going to be reversed. Right, 361 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: And Elon Musk is hugely influential in American politics. He 362 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: has a massive fan base, he has a lot of money. 363 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:20,479 Speaker 1: He can literally change the stock market with one tweet. 364 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:26,360 Speaker 1: His public advocacy of Rondis Santis of a Republican House 365 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: and Senate. That matters, and it's going to continue to matter. 366 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: His whole siding with the political right, which is the 367 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: party of climate denial and the party of fossil fuels, 368 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: has the potential to completely wipe out his record with 369 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: Tesla any positive emissions gains. And that's just one aspect 370 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: of it. There's so many more aspects to Elon Musk's 371 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 1: legacy that have the potential to be hugely problematic. Well, 372 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: let's talk about bitcoin, because that seems like an important thing. 373 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: Explain into our listeners why the problem with bitcoin besides 374 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: the fact that their evaluation that they have no value 375 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: right now, yes right, bitcoins, besides being worthless, are are 376 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,719 Speaker 1: massively consequential to the environment because of the because of 377 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: the greenhouse gas emissions. It takes the energy it takes 378 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: to run the servers that do the mathematical equations that 379 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: mine a bitcoin. So as more and more bitcoins are mind, 380 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: it takes more and more computers, more and more servers 381 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: to run these equations to be able to get a bitcoin. 382 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: And so you have warehouses full of these servers that 383 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: are constantly on, constantly running these equations in mind bitcoin 384 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: that are powered by coal powered electricity sources because people 385 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: will buy these warehouses in countries where it's cheap to 386 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: do it, and all of their power is coal fired power. 387 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: The energy cost of bitcoin is is enormous. It is 388 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: comparable to trees, and it is continuing to rise. And 389 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: one of the very passing points that I made in 390 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: the piece was that Tesla, under Elon Musk decision making, 391 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: bought wanting to have billion dollars in bitcoins without even 392 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: thinking about the environmental consequences. It wasn't even until later 393 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: when people were like, what are you doing? This is 394 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: completely antithetical to your mission with Tesla that he said, Okay, well, 395 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: we're not gonna accept bitcoins for payments anymore. But we 396 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: all know that Elon Musk is still a bitcoin bro right. 397 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 1: This is in no way advocating against bitcoin. Bitcoin is 398 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: a much bigger climate threat than people realize, right, right, right, 399 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: because of the energy it uses, right. I mean, I 400 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: guess bitcoin wouldn't be a huge problem if say all 401 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: of it were mined using renewable energy sources. But number one, 402 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: that's not the case. And number two, we have a 403 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: finite amount of space in the world to put renewable 404 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 1: energy resources, and it's we're having enough problems as it 405 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: is right now to you know, power our society with 406 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: renewable energy. It's like taking renewable energy and using it 407 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: to power more fossil fuel operations. It's like, why can 408 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: we use it for the stuff we need to use 409 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: it for. This is a literal climate crisis that we're 410 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: in right now. We actually have to be really thoughtful 411 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: about all of our energy use. An Elon Musk is 412 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: not thoughtful about this kind of stuff. What he's really 413 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: thoughtful about is crafting his own image to be portrayed 414 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: as somebody who is doing only good things for the planet, 415 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: that his act of somehow enriching himself to be the 416 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: literal richest person on earth is somehow a completely philanthropic endeavor. 417 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: I have a really hard time believing that's true. Yeah, 418 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: So talk to me about what else you're seeing in 419 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: the climate world. This is such a complicated and depressing beat. 420 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: What else are you seeing? Well, I think probably the 421 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: most important thing right now that I think is happening 422 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: is a hijacking of the overall climate conversation by the 423 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: right and by fossil fuel interests to say that natural 424 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: gas is clean energy, to say that carbon capture is 425 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: a great solution that is going to save us all, 426 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: and that we don't need to transition to on represent 427 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: renewable energy, that we need this clean quote unquote clean 428 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: natural gas bridge fuel, which is completely scientific bologny, but 429 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: it's very attractive and very pervasive because it seems really moderate, 430 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: and I think people are in real need of some 431 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: kind of sense of moderation, some kind of sense of calm, 432 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: and the idea like Okay, we're tackling climate change, but 433 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: we're doing it in this really moderate and reserved way 434 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 1: where we can still have fossil fuels and still and 435 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: go really slow and just and everything is going to 436 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: be fine, And I get the need for that. Unfortunately, 437 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: natural gas isn't a clean fuel. It's a fossil fuel 438 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: that leaks a ton of methane. Scientists overwhelmingly say that 439 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: there can't be any new fossil fuel development by and 440 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: that's in order for us to meet the threshold of 441 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: warming that will keep it to safe levels. And natural 442 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: gas is a fossil fuel, and so there's an overwhelming 443 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: effort to try and after years of denial, right after 444 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: years are saying this isn't a problem. Well, okay, it 445 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: is a problem, but we've got it under control, and 446 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,719 Speaker 1: we're gonna use natural gas and we're going to create 447 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: new technologies that capture carbon out of the sky and 448 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 1: bury it underground and everything is to be Okay. That 449 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: sounds great, but it's not true, and it's just go 450 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: And I think it's one of the most pervasive forms 451 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 1: of disinformation happening right now. That the reason that I 452 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: bring it up is because I think it's something that 453 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: all political reporters and people interested in politics need to 454 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: be armed with that kind of knowledge, that that is 455 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: disinformation and it is to try to make you feel better, 456 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: right when it actually makes the situation much much worth 457 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: I mean, are you seeing it seems like one of 458 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: the pieces you've written is about this sort of that 459 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: there are a lot of these climate newsletters that are 460 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: sponsored by X or Chevron, and that that is a 461 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: real conflict. We talked about that a little bit, right. 462 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: I mean, having a climate change news outlet of any 463 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: kind sponsored by Chevron or Axon is like having a 464 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: newsletter on gun violence and crime and match you to 465 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: sponsored by the gun industry. It doesn't make any sense, 466 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: and it's also insulting to the victims of the crisis 467 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: that you're covering. Again, I think this is something that 468 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: news editors will do because they believe it makes them 469 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: seem objective. But it's it's not biased to say that 470 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: fossil fuels cause the climate crisis. It is objective to 471 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: say that they do, and we probably shouldn't be advertising 472 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: for fossil fuels in our climate change newsletter. And that's 473 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: besides the fact that these ads from fossil fuel companies 474 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: tend to contain misinformation about climate change. They say things 475 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: like we're working towards climate solutions and everything is cool. 476 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: And that is how well documented pr attempt to convince 477 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: you that everything is fine when it's not. We call 478 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: it in this space delayism. Right, there's denialism and then 479 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: there's delayism. And that's what I think is like the 480 00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: biggest story moving forward is this coordinated to delay solutions 481 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: to climate change, to placate people into not wanting to 482 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: call for the solutions that scientists say are necessary. Right, 483 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: They want you to call for the solutions that fossil 484 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: fuel companies say are necessary, and that is always going 485 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: to be the solution that makes the most money for 486 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: fossil fuel companies. Thank you so much, Emily, This was great. 487 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: Please come back. Thank you for having man. I always 488 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Dennis Barron is the author of You 489 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: Can't Always Say What You Want and a professor of 490 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: English a University of Illinois. Urbana Champagne, Welcome to Fast Politics, 491 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: Danni's I I'm glad to be here, Molly, So I 492 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: want to talk to you about your book Free Speeches 493 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: like the Hot topic right now, explain to me your thesis, Um, 494 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: this book? Okay. Basically, what I try to do in 495 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: a lot of my work is to take something that's 496 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: the current issue or problem and look at the history 497 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: behind it, because usually it doesn't come out of nowhere. 498 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: There's usually some something we could learn from the past 499 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: that will help us maybe understand the present a little bit, 500 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: or at least that's my that's my hope. And so 501 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: what I am looking at are the various attempts in 502 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: our past in the US, with some examples from other 503 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: countries as well, of the legal attempts to regulate, control, limit, 504 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: and in some cases support freedom of speech, freedom of expression, 505 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: How the legal system has interpreted the First Amendment in 506 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: the past, and how that applies to the present, what 507 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: kinds of issues there are in the present. It's it's 508 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: obviously become very explosive in the last few months, the 509 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: last couple of years, with all sorts of ideas about 510 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: what free speech is or isn't and my speech is 511 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: free and your speech needs to be shut down kind 512 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: of stuff going on? Is this new? Not really? Not really? 513 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: Of free speech has always been used as a way 514 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: to kind of steer people in approve directions and keep 515 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: them quiet if they stray from from those kinds of 516 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: more kosher ways of communicating. You may have heard of 517 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: this man, Elon Musk. I have heard of Mr Musk. Yeah, 518 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: he considers himself to be the first person to ever 519 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: have fought for free speech. He is a free speech absolutist. 520 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: Help me out here. Explain to me do you think 521 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: that that is a reasonable supposition? And do you think 522 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: that there is a place for free speech absolutist? Do you? 523 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: I mean, where do you fall in this world? I'm 524 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: taking a linguistic approach regardless of what I think about 525 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: Mr Musk. If we have to take the New York 526 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: Times way of referring to people with these honorifics, you 527 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: scratch your free speech absolutist. You find somebody who wants 528 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: to protect their own speech and limit yours. That is 529 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: a pretty incredible line. Can you say more on that? Sure, 530 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: people have been in the last few years and certainly 531 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: last few months, people on the on the extreme right 532 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: and maybe even the not so extreme right in the US, 533 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: probably in other places as well, have been wrapping themselves 534 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: in the notion of free speech. Whether it's the First 535 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: Amendment or just a sort of general feel good free 536 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: speech thing. You can say what you want, you can't 537 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: stop me from talking in order and that they're wrapping 538 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: themselves in the First Amendment free speech protection in order 539 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: to silence everybody who disagrees with them, And that is 540 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 1: like totally bizarre, but maybe not so surprising because speech 541 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: is a given take between people who don't necessarily agree 542 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: with one another, and so they weaponizing free speech should 543 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: not be particularly surprising. Uh in the past. Uh well, okay, 544 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: let's get back to the present for a second. What 545 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 1: we're seeing is a combination of individual free speech in 546 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: terms of organizations like Twitter or Facebook or or social 547 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: media in general, or the media in general having limits 548 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: of what can be said on their platforms and whether 549 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: those limits should be, how they should be defined, how 550 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: they should be enforced. And on the other hand, you 551 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: have the sort of legal limits on speech. What what 552 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: speech is actually lawful? What speech is not protected by 553 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 1: the First Amendment. So, in terms of our legal history, 554 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: currently hate speech is protected by the First Amendment. What 555 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: is not protected are things like obscene speech or threats 556 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: or incitement to riot or defamation. All of those are 557 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: considered to be outside the protections that governmental protections of speech, 558 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: but only in terms of what the government can and 559 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: cannot do what private groups like companies, social groups, schools, clubs, 560 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: families in terms of encouraging and limiting the speech of 561 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: people who speak in those groups. That's a whole separate issue. 562 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:02,720 Speaker 1: And these social groups all said sometimes very precise limits 563 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: of what you can and cannot say. If you swear 564 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: and you're a child, you might have to put a 565 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: nickel in the swear jar. Okay, there's an example of 566 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 1: how families try to control speech. It seems not to 567 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: have worked, because there are still people who swear. That's 568 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: maybe not the best way of social group trying to 569 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: place it. The thing I'm noticed is like I come 570 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: from this family where I have these you know, my 571 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: mother was Eric Jong, is Erica Jong. My grandfather was 572 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,320 Speaker 1: Howard Fast. Both were censored, right, My grandfather was blacklisted. 573 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: My mother's work wasn't published in places like you know 574 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: that she had. You know, there were different countries that 575 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,359 Speaker 1: even parts of Italy, southern Italy, they censored her work. 576 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:54,320 Speaker 1: But largely I have had almost no censorship in my life. 577 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: I mean, certainly there are times when you can't get 578 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: something published or whatever. But that's not censorship. So is 579 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: Elon Musk actually being censored? Is he being censored? No, 580 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 1: these free speech absolutists are not actually being censored. No, No, 581 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: they're not being censored. He likes speech so much he 582 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: bought the company. That's maybe not the best slogan to use. 583 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 1: But what he's doing with the company is not clear 584 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,319 Speaker 1: to anybody. It's kind of chaotic at the moment. But 585 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 1: what seems to be going on is letting people who 586 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 1: have previously violated the Twitter terms of service back onto 587 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,720 Speaker 1: the platform and kicking other people off the platform who 588 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: maybe are not violating the terms of service but have 589 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: simply said, oh, I don't like what Elon Musk is 590 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: doing or who for a variety of reasons. I mean, 591 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,840 Speaker 1: there are charges the other day that he's kicking off 592 00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 1: pro Jewish accounts and supporting anti Semitic accounts. I I 593 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: don't know, you know, to what extent is accurate, but 594 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: that's the kind of thing that you're reading in the 595 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: Washington Post in the New York Times. So the idea 596 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 1: is he seems to be stacking Twitter in terms of 597 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 1: support of right wing speech and speech of people that 598 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: he probably agrees with, and away from kinds of speech 599 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:29,359 Speaker 1: that he disagrees with. So how that's absolute is is not. 600 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: He's putting a thumb on the scale of speech. That's 601 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,439 Speaker 1: not free speech. That's not the marketplace of ideas. Of course, 602 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: the marketplace of ideas was always rigged because those who 603 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: are in power control the market. I just want to uh, 604 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: sort of dive into this a little more. Are you 605 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: seeing any places where people are not able to have 606 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 1: free speech? I mean, I feel like this is a 607 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: it's a solution without a problem. Okay. Yeah, And if 608 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: you're talking about the US, not really, there's this cancel 609 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: culture screaming on on the part of the right. Is 610 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 1: all a kind of moral panic that it is pretty fictionalized. 611 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: Nobody has the constitutional right to give a speech to 612 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 1: the college. Nobody has the constitutional right to publish an 613 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,839 Speaker 1: opinion essay in the Times of the Post. No one 614 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 1: has a constitutional right to have a Twitter or a 615 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 1: Facebook account. These are things that get negotiated in in 616 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 1: the marketplace of ideas, if you will. Twitter can decide 617 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: who to suspend and who to let on the platform. 618 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,800 Speaker 1: Facebook can, Instagram can the new York Times decides who 619 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: it publishes. Traditional publishers decide whose book gets published, whose 620 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 1: book never sees print. There's nothing unusual about that. What's 621 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: nice about the Internet is that pretty much anybody who 622 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,319 Speaker 1: wants a voice can have a voice on it. You 623 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: can you can find people to read your words, even 624 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,240 Speaker 1: if you don't have a Twitter account. Just put something 625 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: online and somebody someone or is going to say, oh, 626 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 1: I like your picture of a cat, or or I 627 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 1: agree that minorities are trying to replace all of us. 628 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 1: But doesn't mean you're right. Right? Do you think that 629 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,839 Speaker 1: cancel culture really exists? And if so, why does it 630 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:26,439 Speaker 1: not and why editorial writers keep writing about it. They 631 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 1: want eye bowls on their site, they want clicks. It's 632 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 1: like that again, another stupid solution for a non problem. 633 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: I mean, certainly there are people who innocent people get 634 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,800 Speaker 1: charged with crimes and things like that. But I don't 635 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: think that cancel culture is the greatest danger facing your 636 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: everyday American. It is absolutely not a danger at all. 637 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 1: If somebody has a controversial opinion and they're saying it 638 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: in public, they are opening themselves up to critics who 639 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: disagree with them. That's the given take of speech. The 640 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:05,760 Speaker 1: First Amendment. Free speech never immunizes you against the impact 641 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 1: of what you say. The law is pretty broad allowing 642 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 1: First Amendment rights. I mean, there's been a lot of 643 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: talk about the idea of like, is there a place 644 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,800 Speaker 1: for sort of like you know, in illegality, for crying 645 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 1: fire in in a crowded theater. Is there a place 646 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 1: for that? Is there a sort of way around the 647 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: First Amendment there? I mean, it doesn't seem like there is, 648 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,439 Speaker 1: but there certainly is some anxiety about that. Okay, So 649 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 1: the issue with crying fire, it's falsely crying fire in 650 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 1: a crowded theater. If you cried fire and there is 651 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: a fire, of course, then your speeches. Okay, people will 652 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 1: still get trampled on their way out. That still doesn't 653 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:54,000 Speaker 1: mean that the exit doors haven't been barred shut and 654 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,359 Speaker 1: things like that. But in the past, of course, there 655 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: were a number of very well known examples of audience 656 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: panics in theaters and people getting crushed. And it turns 657 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 1: out that there was no actual fire and and it's 658 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 1: a legal hypothetical that was established by the Supreme Court 659 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,200 Speaker 1: in its decision in the United States Fishink in nine 660 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,399 Speaker 1: that there are certain kinds of speech that no one 661 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 1: would argue that the First Amendment protects that sort of thing. 662 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: Other kinds of speech that are not protected. I mentioned 663 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 1: before obscenity, threats, incitement, fighting words, anything that brings imminent 664 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:43,759 Speaker 1: lawless action in terms of the most recent characterization by 665 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,760 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, which is why you know, the whole 666 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,840 Speaker 1: issue of you know, to what extent is Trump responsible 667 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:57,280 Speaker 1: for inciting January six rioting? Is that protected political speech 668 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 1: or is that incitement to riot which is not protected 669 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,799 Speaker 1: at all? And of course I'm leaning towards thinking of 670 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,440 Speaker 1: that as incitement. So let's just get back to this idea. 671 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,320 Speaker 1: So where does this go, this sort of free speech 672 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 1: war and all of this anxiety that's harder to predict. 673 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to engage in futurology because 674 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 1: it's a full scame. But right now there are lots 675 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:29,839 Speaker 1: of attempts by conservative legislatures, by conservative politicians in other 676 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 1: countries to limit speech under the guise of protecting speech. 677 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,920 Speaker 1: And then that seems to me just basically wrong. And 678 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 1: if that's what we have to look forward to in 679 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,479 Speaker 1: the near term, that's what we have to resist. That's 680 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,400 Speaker 1: what we have to fight against because the voices of 681 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 1: those who have been traditionally less powerful, who have traditionally 682 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 1: had less of a platform, those are the voices that 683 00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:02,360 Speaker 1: need protection, that need inclusion. At The founders who drafted 684 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,880 Speaker 1: something like the First Amendment would want to protect against 685 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,319 Speaker 1: the kind of tyranny of the majority, as they framed it. 686 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,400 Speaker 1: These rules are there to protect the little people, to 687 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:19,440 Speaker 1: protect those who whose voices have historically been limited. So interesting. 688 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us, Thank you, thank 689 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:33,040 Speaker 1: you so much. Molly Rick Wilson. Yes, you are a 690 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,360 Speaker 1: special guest star for the moment of gray. You'll remember 691 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,719 Speaker 1: it from another podcast that shall not be named that 692 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 1: neither of us work on anymore where we used to college. 693 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to start a new podcast called Podcasts of 694 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:52,359 Speaker 1: the Damned. I mean, that's really real. Real, Invite me on, man, 695 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,799 Speaker 1: I will instead. We now have stolen that idea, and 696 00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 1: now we have our moment of gray, which is suspicious, 697 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 1: like it's been a long weekend, Rip Wilson, who gets 698 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 1: your ire today? Oh my infinite ire is as as 699 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 1: always reserved from Mr Constitution Shredder. It is this mysterious 700 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,560 Speaker 1: clack of people around musk and I think this is 701 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,239 Speaker 1: a reporting failure so far, and maybe it's out there 702 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,279 Speaker 1: more than I found, but I haven't really found it. 703 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,359 Speaker 1: I mean, Kara Swisher has kind of touched on some 704 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,840 Speaker 1: of these people who they are. But I think it 705 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 1: is really important that the behavior of Musk at Twitter 706 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,879 Speaker 1: is not just Elon Musk sitting in a room with 707 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,680 Speaker 1: an anime WIFEO pillow, you know, and caffeine free diet 708 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,239 Speaker 1: coke and a sex toy. This is something going on 709 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 1: broader than this. There are more people involved in this 710 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:49,680 Speaker 1: that r Steve Bennet says a great Tuesday night, But 711 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,440 Speaker 1: there are more people involved in shaping his behavior and 712 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,279 Speaker 1: what's going on than have been reported. And I think 713 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 1: that is the biggest story underpinning all of this. This 714 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:05,040 Speaker 1: isn't coming out of nowhere. This isn't something random. They 715 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,640 Speaker 1: got around the sky and they sucked up to him 716 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,799 Speaker 1: and they made him feel like, you know, you can 717 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,839 Speaker 1: be the hero of the of the right, Elon, you 718 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:18,759 Speaker 1: can be a free speech liptard are killing Cuxlayan bro 719 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,319 Speaker 1: you know, hello friend, as they say, And I think 720 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,120 Speaker 1: that is a story that is being missed. I think 721 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 1: that that's what I'm really pissed at is that this 722 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,320 Speaker 1: is not being this is being reported on the static 723 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 1: and the spectacle and not on the signal and the substance. 724 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,120 Speaker 1: I agree heartily. I also, so you want to hear 725 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,160 Speaker 1: who my I would love to since we can't call 726 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:48,560 Speaker 1: it that. Oh my moment of fuckery because trademarked right 727 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,120 Speaker 1: exactly and every time we say we have to pay 728 00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:56,719 Speaker 1: the Beatles four. Today my moment of fuckory is watching 729 00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,960 Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green. You may remember her as being the 730 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 1: you mean, the speaker, Speaker designate, Marjore Taylor Green, the 731 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,280 Speaker 1: Speaker of the House, Marjorie Taylor Green, margin of Christmas 732 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,719 Speaker 1: Day parade to confusion, and I mean they certainly know 733 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,879 Speaker 1: who she is. There's a little video for marching behind 734 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,080 Speaker 1: her suv down at Christmas Parade. I mean, I guess 735 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,960 Speaker 1: it's good that she's around her constituents for constituents. She's 736 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:28,080 Speaker 1: absolutely waving, wearing a little red coat, marching behind an 737 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:32,080 Speaker 1: suv that says Marjorie Taylor Green and has a little 738 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:36,040 Speaker 1: reef on it. She looks very emphatic. The crowd looks 739 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,360 Speaker 1: very confused. None of them are waving back at her. Actually, 740 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,600 Speaker 1: I see one woman waving back at her. So for 741 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,719 Speaker 1: that the leader of the Internet, intellectual dark web. That 742 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,160 Speaker 1: is my moment. Effect Ray. You know when the Shapiro 743 00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:56,200 Speaker 1: Green Institute of the eventually it will truly transform the 744 00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:00,880 Speaker 1: American character and frankly universities will establish in hire departments 745 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:08,520 Speaker 1: for green studies. It's going to be Thank you, Rick Wilson, 746 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:13,120 Speaker 1: please come back. You are very welcome. That's it for 747 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,960 Speaker 1: this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, 748 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,959 Speaker 1: and Friday to your the best minds in politics makes 749 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,279 Speaker 1: sense of all this chaos. If you enjoyed what you've heard, 750 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 1: please send it to a friend and keep the conversation going. 751 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,640 Speaker 1: And again, thanks for listening.