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Speaker 2: For I've heard so many players say, well, I want

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Speaker 1: You want to be happy for a day? Edith Steak

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Speaker 1: is that woo woof? And then and Tie?

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the solid verbal Boys and girls, My

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Speaker 2: name is Ty Hildenbrand, joining me as always over there

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Speaker 2: in Chili, Chicago, Illinois. The one and only Dan Rubinstein sirs,

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Speaker 2: how are you?

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Speaker 1: Some wise words?

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Speaker 2: Tie?

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Speaker 1: When you try your best but you don't succeed, when

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Speaker 1: you get what you want but not what you need, Ty,

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Speaker 1: when you feel so tired but you can't sleep, stuck

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Speaker 1: in reverse? You want me to continue?

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Speaker 2: Are we doing the New Age version or are we

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Speaker 2: doing the cold Play version? Because I think there's like

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Speaker 1: I just know, my boy Chrissy Martin.

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Speaker 2: Actually no, I lie, it's not a new version of

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Speaker 2: Fix You is a cover that I think I saw

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, well I remember it from the OC. That's

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Speaker 1: that's where I go back to. So thematically, Tie, You're

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Speaker 1: That's who I am. Also for this show. We get

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Speaker 1: the right time. And I wanted to right now, as

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Speaker 1: I wanted to I wanted to fix you college football

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Speaker 1: via verbaler's suggestions. I said, no, no, what's it called

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Speaker 2: I think that's an apt way to put it. Dan,

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Speaker 2: we are the Soliverbol Thank you and me. My voice

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Speaker 2: But we're working through it. We're doing our best. To

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Speaker 2: Soldier on Hello, welcome back, I'm Ty He's Dan. This

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Speaker 2: is the Soliverble College Football Podcast. Just because there is

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Speaker 2: Got stuff to talk about an on tonight's show. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're talking some serious stuff in many regards, this is

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Speaker 2: In this podcast, we're talking serious subjects. How do we

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Speaker 2: So you're really you're going like you're you're going like

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Speaker 2: Like, eighty five percent of life is packaging, and they

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Speaker 1: There are a few Knoxville area Chipotle Mexican Grills, but.

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Speaker 1: like Notre Dame has going out and getting their own

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Speaker 1: TV deal, you know, keeping all the revenue from bowl games,

436
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Speaker 1: that kind of thing that schools, these types of schools

437
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Speaker 1: are leaving money on the table by agreeing to share.

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Speaker 1: And you know some of some of the conferences have

439
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Speaker 1: more unequal splits with payouts. But this would allow schools

440
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Speaker 1: to maximize their own ability. It's yeah, it's an interesting model.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I like it from a really high level.

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Speaker 2: I like.

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Speaker 1: So much of what we talk about is also they

444
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Speaker 1: just keep winning those conferences, so there's less drama.

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Speaker 2: They just keep winning the conferences. So much of what

446
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Speaker 2: we talk about here is like Notre Dame joining a conference.

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Speaker 2: Why haven't they joined the ACC or the Big ten

448
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Speaker 2: or wherever, right, And it's fun to kind of think

449
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Speaker 2: about this from a different perspective and have all the

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Speaker 2: other teams go to the Notre Dame route.

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Speaker 1: I like it from ZAG.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a ZAG. I like it from the

453
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Speaker 2: perspective of it would certainly promote some really interesting scheduling.

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Speaker 2: And you know, though I'm fine with the SEC schedule,

455
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Speaker 2: it's obviously a gauntlet to make it through that, and

456
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Speaker 2: sure Alabama did so wonderfully this year, but it would

457
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Speaker 2: definitely produce some interesting matchups that we wouldn't otherwise see.

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Speaker 2: So I like that. We actually got another suggestion a

459
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Speaker 2: couple of them that referenced maybe having a number of

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Speaker 2: teams build in an automatic open date in week ten

461
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Speaker 2: or eleven where they have to schedule another Power five team,

462
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Speaker 2: which is Yeah, we got a lot of scheduling ideas,

463
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Speaker 2: which which is cool and not on my top line

464
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Speaker 2: that I would marry, mind you, but it's still an

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Speaker 2: interesting concept. So I like this idea from a scheduling standpoint.

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Speaker 2: Where I guess I would poke some holes is in

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Speaker 2: that notion that they're gonna make more or could make

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Speaker 2: more on their own outside of the conference structure, because

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Speaker 2: I think at least some of what we've seen with

470
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Speaker 2: respect to Notre Dame over the last few years points

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Speaker 2: in the direction that over the course of time, it

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Speaker 2: will make more financial sense for them to join a conference.

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Speaker 2: They're not quite able to maximize their own profit the

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Speaker 2: way they did. What before some of these conferences were

475
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Speaker 2: pulling down such big bucks from networks.

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Speaker 1: What if teams went the modern Notre Dame route. What

477
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Speaker 1: if we'll use Ohio State for this? Because Ohio State

478
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Speaker 1: has done really, really well in terms of TV ratings

479
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Speaker 1: these past few years. They're like, if you want a

480
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Speaker 1: highly rated game, it's a really good idea to have

481
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Speaker 1: the Buckeyes playing that game. An enormous fan base nationally.

482
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Speaker 1: What if Ohio State did the five Big Ten game

483
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Speaker 1: thing and then scheduled the rest of their schedule themselves. Yeah, well,

484
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's cool. That'd be great. I don't

485
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Speaker 1: know if it's rotating or you have, you know, a

486
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Speaker 1: pseudo pod where every year Ohio State plays Michigan, Michigan State,

487
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Speaker 1: Penn State. I don't know what game outside of those

488
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Speaker 1: three feels necessary on an Ohio State Big Ten schedule.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm forgetting somebody, but I don't think I am.

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Speaker 1: Those feel like the biggies. If you're just a national

491
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Speaker 1: college football fan and who you want to see Ohio

492
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Speaker 1: State play, and who that fan base wants to see play,

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Speaker 1: I think maybe pseudo is the move. It gets us

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Speaker 1: more interesting games. Now, all of these schools are still

495
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Speaker 1: gonna want a path to a playoff. As it stands now,

496
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame has a fantastic path in a normal year

497
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Speaker 1: in that they can probably go eleven to one, and

498
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Speaker 1: if they win a couple of those big games impressively,

499
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Speaker 1: they're in a pretty good spot. Notre Dame is they

500
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Speaker 1: don't have to play a conference championship game in a

501
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Speaker 1: normal year, so it makes sense to me. And plus

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Speaker 1: we'll see Ohio State games on I don't know CBS,

503
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Speaker 1: we'll see that. You know, we'll get some sort of

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Speaker 1: network TV deal. Because it's an enormous, enormous program. I'm

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Speaker 1: kind of okay with it because it especially if if

506
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Speaker 1: we really really want and I'm not sure that I do,

507
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Speaker 1: but if we really really want as a college football society,

508
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Speaker 1: if we want a more competitive Big ten Ohio State

509
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: now playing in that conference championship game. I think gets

510
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Speaker 1: us there. It seems win win, though there is just

511
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Speaker 1: something to me like if we had all of a sudden,

512
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Speaker 1: seven huge pseudo independent schools, it would throw me. Maybe

513
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Speaker 1: I'm just old and I like am setting my ways.

514
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Speaker 1: It would throw me in that we are not all

515
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Speaker 1: in this together kind of thing with college football, which

516
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: I know is the reality, but then it's sort of

517
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Speaker 1: too baldly face.

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Speaker 2: I sort of like the possibility of the Big Ten

519
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: signing Ohio State to like a three year deal to have.

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Speaker 1: Like so like NBA superstar free agents doing the like

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Speaker 1: they have a player option.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. Okay, I like it. Where we go.

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Speaker 1: Next, Let's go with the silly one, which I absolutely love. Punts.

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Speaker 1: Every punt that a team kicks themselves now cost one point.

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Speaker 1: This is this is one of them. I would marry

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Speaker 1: this idea.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I I love it well. I love this idea

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Speaker 2: with all my heart. I love this idea with all

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Speaker 2: my heart. So we have been hearing Gosh for as

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Speaker 2: long as we've done this show, for as long as

531
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Speaker 2: we've had any advanced analytical bent to this show, we

532
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Speaker 2: have been hearing teams need to go for it more

533
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Speaker 2: on fourth down, we need to go for it more

534
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Speaker 2: and fourth down. And I don't know to what end

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Speaker 2: that's really materialize. Somebody smarter than I and you and

536
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Speaker 2: whoever would would probably need to tell us our team's

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Speaker 2: going for it more and fourth down. I don't think

538
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Speaker 2: they are, but it's it's long been the darling of

539
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Speaker 2: the advanced analyst universe that this should be a thing. Certainly,

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Speaker 2: if you make punts a deduction like in figure skating

541
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Speaker 2: for a botched to loop, it would encourage you to

542
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Speaker 2: go on out there and try to go forward and

543
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Speaker 2: fourth down. I think it would also discourage the up

544
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Speaker 2: tempo play that we've come to know over the last

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Speaker 2: decade or so, because the more times your offense is

546
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Speaker 2: out there, the more opportunity you have to punt and

547
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Speaker 2: potentially lose lose points. Yeah, I do wonder if like

548
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Speaker 2: an arm punt counts here, that could be the loophole

549
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Speaker 2: to get around this, Like just get get your dude

550
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Speaker 2: out there fourth and everybody go deep. Yeah, just get

551
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Speaker 2: Joe Milton out there and try to heave the ball

552
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Speaker 2: as far as you can and you know, right, the

553
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: defense could obviously try to knock it down, but you

554
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: still got to cover the guys because otherwise they could

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Speaker 2: go for a touchdown. So we have a lot to

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Speaker 2: work out with this rule, I think, But I like

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Speaker 2: it from a really high level.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you this. In twenty eleven, Duke led

559
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Speaker 1: the nation with thirty six fourth down attempts three per

560
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Speaker 1: game twelve games, thirty six if my math ads up,

561
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen thirteen and thirty nine thirteen games thirty nine

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Speaker 1: attempts for army three a game. So has it necessarily

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Speaker 1: you know, twenty eighteen twelve attempt twelve games, forty four

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Speaker 1: attempts for FAU. It's all sort of within thirty eight

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Speaker 1: to forty four. On the air, there's no to me

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Speaker 1: statistical outlier. Teams don't seem to be going for it

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Speaker 1: all that much more on fourth down. They should be,

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Speaker 1: especially if you're midfield ish and it's fourth and short.

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Speaker 1: Mathematically believe it makes a ton of sense to so

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Speaker 1: I love this idea. I would not. I mean, points

571
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Speaker 1: are so important, Dan said, obviously unless you're within like

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Speaker 1: inside your own fifteen or twenty. I don't think if

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Speaker 1: this were a rule, I don't think teams are punting. Yeh,

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Speaker 1: I think this would encourage more active football twenty five

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Speaker 1: percent more plays going fourth on fourth down, it's twenty

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Speaker 1: five percent, I think, So.

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Speaker 2: I think we could modify this rule to make it like,

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Speaker 2: if you are inside the forty yard line and you punt,

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Speaker 2: then it costs a point. I don't think you want

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Speaker 2: to put other teams forty Yeah. Yeah, I don't think

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Speaker 2: you want to put teams in a situation where they're

582
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Speaker 2: on their own five and they have to go for

583
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Speaker 2: it otherwise they'll lose a point because think of the

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Speaker 2: opportunity costs there. You can punt it away, or you

585
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 2: could throw a long interception and maybe still get a stop,

586
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Speaker 2: as opposed to turning it over on your own four

587
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Speaker 2: and giving a team an easy six.

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Speaker 1: So I think, I mean, you're just giving up a point.

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Speaker 1: You can make it up.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're giving up a point, and then if you

591
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Speaker 2: turn it over on your own four, you give it

592
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Speaker 2: to the other team they walton for a touchdown. Suddenly

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Speaker 2: that's a pretty big swing.

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Speaker 1: No, no, I'm saying that's when you go for a

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Speaker 1: punt when you're that backed up, I guess take the

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Speaker 1: point off. Yeah, all right, I love this.

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Speaker 2: It is a great idea. Andrew. This is I don't

598
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Speaker 2: know what Andrew does for a living, but he should

599
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Speaker 2: be doing more than he is.

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Speaker 1: The real weave revert back to pre alignment conferences. The problem,

601
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Speaker 1: of course with that this addresses is we've lost rivalry games.

602
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Speaker 1: Teams are sort of operating out of a desire, a

603
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: more selfish desire than the good for the sport necessarily.

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Speaker 1: And that's okay, that's understandable, but that is an issue,

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Speaker 1: and teams have made moves that have probably set their

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Speaker 1: program back just in terms of getting lost in the

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Speaker 1: shuffle and a jumbo size conference.

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Speaker 2: Can I can I issue? Can I can I issue

609
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Speaker 2: a bit of a zag here on this one?

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Speaker 1: Okay? And I'll say my interpretation of this is like

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Speaker 1: two thousand and five college football, Yeah, because there were

612
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Speaker 1: multiple steps of realignment.

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Speaker 2: Here's what I want to see. And you you jog

614
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Speaker 2: my memory talking about what problem? You think? This solves

615
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Speaker 2: every single rivalry in college football, the rivalry rivalries that

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Speaker 2: we've come to know and love. I'll use Penn State, Pit,

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Speaker 2: I'll use Texas, Texas, and m there are a thousands

618
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Speaker 2: that we could list, yep, But inevitably, like we saw

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Speaker 2: with Texas, Texas, A and M. You have this kind

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Speaker 2: of cold war between programs when a rivalry stops being

621
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Speaker 2: played as frequently, where each side wants to blame the other, right,

622
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Speaker 2: we need to come up with some system where it

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Speaker 2: is very clear who is to play for the rivalry ending.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I mean A and M leaving the conference is

625
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Speaker 1: a reason. But the reason they left is Texas and

626
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: the Longhorn Network. So I don't know how you accurately

627
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: point to the aggrieved party there.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking we need to have some sort of like

629
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Speaker 2: publicly televised mediation session where it is very clear after

630
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Speaker 2: hearing out both sides either who is at fault or

631
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Speaker 2: that who decides or that they're a mutual Obviously, Bill Hancock,

632
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 2: he's a decider for everything. But we need to have

633
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Speaker 2: some sort of very transparent process by which we decide

634
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 2: is this rivalry going to continue? Is it one of

635
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 2: us to blame, both of us to blame. Are we

636
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: going to mutually part ways? Are we just going to

637
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: continue this thing into perpetuity? Because rivalries, rivalries are the

638
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: fabric of college football. Outside recruiting and outside rooting for

639
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 2: your alma mater, it is rivalries that really are the

640
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: engine behind this sport that make it so special. So

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Speaker 2: the more I guess just hate that we could pump

642
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: into that process, the more raw emotion that we can

643
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: pump into rivalries, I think, the greater the health of

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00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 2: college football in the long term. So whatever we can

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00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: do on that front, I'm all about it.

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Speaker 1: I think we just need to put a bunch of

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Speaker 1: money on a table, ty. I think that's how we

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Speaker 1: get these games happening again. And you mentioned a name

649
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Speaker 1: in Bill.

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Speaker 2: Hancock, which is obviously very funny.

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Speaker 1: I've got another name, ty. Do you remember who was

652
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Speaker 1: willing to put up money for a plus one playoff game?

653
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: Way back when? Do you remember who was going to

654
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: put up the money. I'm almost positive it was Michael Dell.

655
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 1: I'm almost positive I could be making that completely up.

656
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: I forget what year it was. Let's just go with it.

657
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: Let's just go with Michael Dell. We're going with Michael Dell.

658
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 2: He's got the money, he's a billionaire, he's in Texas,

659
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: which is a football rich state.

660
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: And basically, if he says I'm going to put up

661
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: ten million dollars and it's going to go to whoever

662
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: wins this game, and it's going to go specifically to

663
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: a scholarship fund for underprivileged kids to attend that school.

664
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: And then and then we will learn who actually is

665
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: chicken shit, We'll actually learn which school because we've got

666
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: an amazing cause with an amazing amount of money tied

667
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: to it via Michael Dell, who I assume has a

668
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: ton of cash.

669
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: Should we should we secret verbal Michael Dell about this?

670
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: Michael Dell does he have a Twitter account?

671
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: His Twitter account is Michael Dell and it's got the

672
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: blue check mark, So I'm fairly serry it's him. But

673
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: what do we what do we see still had a

674
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: fifty five He's got a lot of money for a

675
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 2: fifty five year old dude. What How do we make

676
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: our approach here virtually without getting people on the bad

677
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: side of Michael Dell because we're I think we're looking

678
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 2: for a diplomatic approach as opposed to the usual confusion

679
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 2: that we're trying to create.

680
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 1: Correct worth twenty seven B. I think you just tweet

681
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: him and ask him can you put can you put

682
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: ten million annual dollars on the table to get Texas

683
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: and Texas A and M to play every year? He

684
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: went to UT.

685
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: He did go to UT. I'm looking, I'm looking at it.

686
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: But he's from Houston, which is a and M country.

687
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: So he's got a vested interest here.

688
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: He does have a vested interest.

689
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 2: I wouldn't totally be opposed to Michael Dell taking over

690
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 2: college football.

691
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: I don't know enough about Michael Hotel, Yeah, I don't.

692
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: I probably need to do a little bit more research.

693
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 2: But makes a good monitor and a decent laptop, right right,

694
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: I mean that's already better than Bill Hancock. Right.

695
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: His brother Adam is the longtime boyfriend of Pad Malakshmi. Okay,

696
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: he's a prime This is a primetime family.

697
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 2: This is a trimetime family.

698
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: Okay.

699
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: Michael Dell on Twitter.

700
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: I don't know where we started revert to revert back

701
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: to pre alignment conferences and we ended up with Pad Malakshman,

702
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: which is I think.

703
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 2: We've got to go. We've got a suggestion here, okay,

704
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 2: to get rid of the fumble out of the back

705
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: of the end zone rule. Now, okay, we saw this

706
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 2: recently in the NFL playoffs with the Browns. It happened

707
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: to the Browns, and you know, every time it happens,

708
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 2: we see just this explosion of activity on Twitter and

709
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: social media. Get rid of the rule. Don't get rid

710
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: of the rule. Frankly, it's more people saying get rid

711
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 2: of it than otherwise. I have always been okay with

712
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: the rule, and I understand the argument against it. I

713
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 2: understand that the offense drives the field to get down

714
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: in the end zone.

715
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: And if that same thing happens anywhere before, then any

716
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: of those one hundred.

717
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: Yards right anywhere else. I totally understand the argument against

718
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 2: the rule. I just think it is and I think

719
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: it was Bill cal when I was watching the post

720
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: game for that for the Browns game, he was the

721
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 2: one who brought it up. I think it was a

722
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: halftime actually, and he said, look, this, this would be,

723
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: by any other standard, the most significant penalty levied against

724
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 2: a team. Period. We don't see a twenty yard penalty

725
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: for pretty much anything else outside of pass interference. And

726
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 2: it's just wrong to penalty possession.

727
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: It's full possession, not.

728
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: Just in possession, and full possession. Sure, yeah, so I

729
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 2: take that point. I think it's valid. I guess the

730
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: reason that I'm okay with it is because it is

731
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 2: such a quirk. It is such a quirk And you

732
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 2: know me, I'm all about the quirks. I want. I

733
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: want to spring football because of the quirkiness of it. Yeah, so,

734
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: I you know, that's not a compelling argument for I

735
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: understand that people are yelling at their at their audio

736
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 2: player right now. You're not making a case for it. No,

737
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 2: I'm not, of course I'm not. I like the fact

738
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: that it is so quirky, and it is such a

739
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: steep punishment that I think I'm in favor of keeping it.

740
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 2: Maybe there's like a sadist quality to that, but I'm

741
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 2: just I understand it okay with it.

742
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 1: I understand where you're coming from, because what you're doing

743
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: is you're punishing somebody for making a killer mistake where

744
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: it matters the most. So you're saying, right, this part

745
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: of the field is the most important part of the

746
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: field to not fumble it. So if you do fumble it,

747
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: tough luck. Everybody knows the rule going in, and so

748
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: I understand the severity of it is not in line

749
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: with anything else in the sport. Man, when it happens

750
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: to your team though, and it happened to Oregon in

751
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: a key moment in two thousand and seven when it

752
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: looked like they were on a national championship path, and ultimately,

753
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: if they had won out after losing a game the

754
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: way they did against Cal with I think it was

755
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: Cameron Colvin fumbling it out of the end zone, they

756
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: still would have gone to the national championship even with

757
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: that move. So what happens to your team's brutal, But

758
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: it's even for everybody. I would be okay with. Did

759
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: you ever play twenty one tie like the Driveway basketball

760
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: game you'd play with your friends? Sure, And I think

761
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: you have to get some way it goes for some

762
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: iterations the game. You have to get exactly twenty one,

763
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: so you get two points if you make it out

764
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: on the court, you get one point when you make

765
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: the free throw, and if you get to whatever it is.

766
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: If you get to twenty and miss a free throw,

767
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: obviously there's no way to get exactly twenty one, so

768
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: you go back to twelve or something like that. I'm

769
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: okay with that too. I'm okay with being punished the

770
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: twenty yards but maintaining possession. You fumble it out of

771
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: the end zone on a scoring attempt, you have to

772
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: go back to the twenty. I think I'm okay with that.

773
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: I'm okay with it. I understand the appeal of the

774
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: wrinkle where the stakes are just higher in this one

775
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: by one foot area of the field. Yeah, I appreciate

776
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: the quirk of the rule. And you know, I was

777
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: thinking about this looking over this list, But I may

778
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: be more of a dick than I thought.

779
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: I know, I don't really appreive that our next shirt. Yeah,

780
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: I know, I don't really present as one. But one

781
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: rule that I wanted to add to the list here

782
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 2: is to reinstitute some use for margin of victory. I

783
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: have long held the belief.

784
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: And I've thought about this continue.

785
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,479
Speaker 2: I set it on our live stream during the National

786
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 2: Championship when I lost my voice when we were talking

787
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 2: to Michael Felder that and I've said this to you, Gosh,

788
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: more times than I could ever count over the last

789
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: twelve years. The art of the blowout is very much

790
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 2: like a dying breed, and a good blowout sometimes just

791
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: as a palette cleanser, as a way to assert dominance,

792
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 2: like it sucks when it happens to your team, but

793
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: sometimes when you see a team like a Wisconsin drop

794
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 2: eighty on another school, there is a certain show of

795
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: force there that need not be overlooked. So I don't

796
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: know how we do that. I know that margin of

797
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 2: victory has been boiled out of a lot of the

798
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: advanced stuff that we like to look at, and for

799
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 2: good reason.

800
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 1: I mean, could you cap it. Could you say, let's

801
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 1: take margin of victory into account, but we're not going

802
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: to take it into account above thirty five.

803
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: I think that's a possibility.

804
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think thirty five points is the maximum number

805
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: that we would take into account your average margin of victory,

806
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: and so you can blow out a team like old

807
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: Big twelve Oklahoma Kansas style, Texas UCLA style. I think

808
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: that went the UCLA way when I think about it.

809
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: But where it's like seventy seven to six on the

810
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 1: bottom line, you're like, ooh, yeah, it's definitely a week one.

811
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: I like a good blowout.

812
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: I love it.

813
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 1: It's much it's a much better way to lose as well,

814
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 1: no doubts.

815
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 2: It's a quick death. And yeah, I could very easily

816
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: see on some of those Tuesday night ranking shows or

817
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 2: the reveal show at the end of the year talking

818
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: about how many thirty five plus point victories a team

819
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: like a.

820
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: Well, it's also a very specific metric. It's not like, well,

821
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, this guy was missing, but they really showed

822
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: out in the second half. No, like that is a

823
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: number that is a specific number that can be pointed to.

824
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's maybe not great for a team like Bama.

825
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 2: Bama's probably the worst example. But I'll say a team

826
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: like Bama looking to get in the subs and build depth.

827
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 2: But presumably they could build up that lead early and

828
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 2: then but.

829
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: They didn't lose this year. It didn't matter what their

830
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 1: market didn't true and they don't think they won any

831
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: of their games by single digits as well until the

832
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: Florida Games.

833
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 2: If they wanted to beat teams by thirty five, they

834
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 2: very well could have right exactly the ones that they.

835
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's typically not the teams that have to

836
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: worry about it that if they want to win by

837
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: thirty five, they could. They're going to get in regardless

838
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: if it's a choice at that point, they're going to

839
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: get in. DIRP step pay the players more, pay the

840
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: coach is less fine with this? Do you tie bonuses

841
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: to both coaches and players something like, I mean, obviously

842
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: a higher paid coach is going to do better in

843
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: the way of bonuses than an entry level coach. But

844
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: do you tie you know, a coach getting one hundred

845
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: thousand dollars for winning the conference and then two hundred

846
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: thousand dollars more for making the playoff and two hundred

847
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars more for winning a playoff game,

848
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: and five hundred thousand dollars more for winning the national championship.

849
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: Do we peel off some Do we peel off some

850
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: bonus money for the players who play the most snaps.

851
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 2: I'm all in favor of giving some of the power

852
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: back to the players to change the balance of power,

853
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 2: because right now it's all.

854
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: Well, it's also incentive to go to those games as well.

855
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 2: It's incentive based. Yeah, I you know, saying pay the

856
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 2: players more. That's a lot to unpack. This isn't an

857
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: actual idea. This is more of just a hope, just

858
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: a hope. I do think that the way we are

859
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 2: headed with this name, image and likeness legislation is a

860
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: good approach. I think it's a good approach. I don't

861
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: know how the hell you regulate it, but I think

862
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 2: it's a good approach because it essentially takes out of

863
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 2: the equation schools having to pay the players, and it

864
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 2: it's more of an Olympic model, right where you can

865
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: go out and you can use your name and benefit

866
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 2: off of off of whatever brand equity you have.

867
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: Also, but it also passes off the responsibility, which I'm

868
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: not a huge fan of that. Like, if you're not

869
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: a big personality, if your left guard is incredible. I

870
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: don't know what Quentin Nelson's personality was like at Notre Dame.

871
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: I think he is like a fairly decent presence about

872
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: him behind a microphone from what I've seen, But he

873
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 1: wasn't a big, flashy, showy social media guy. But he

874
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 1: was the most important player arguably on that team. Right right,

875
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: If he's not keen on doing a car commercial or

876
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: going on Instagram and selling some sort of like soap

877
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: for big men kind of thing, I don't think he

878
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: should be punished financially. It's tough. I understand the quandary,

879
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: and it's I think it's an entry point, a fairness

880
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: entry point for players to take advantage of name, image

881
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: and likeness. But I'm okay with that generally.

882
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 2: I'm okay with trying to shift that balance of power

883
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 2: away from coaches. We got a couple here suggestions for

884
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: rules changes. Okay, so Johnny says, change the targeting rule

885
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 2: two levels one in a two. This reminds me of

886
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 2: like a flagrant one and two in basketball. He says,

887
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 2: one is a twenty yard penalty no ejection. Two is

888
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 2: a twenty yard penalty with an ejection for a clearly

889
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 2: blatant district ard for a defenseless player. So that's that's

890
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 2: one suggestion. We got another one here from Jack who

891
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 2: says no penalty for celebrations, which I love. This is

892
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 2: one of the other ones. Yeah, I just look, football

893
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 2: is a sport. It's fun. We watch for entertainment, and

894
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 2: I'm as long as there are not players out there

895
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: doing physical harm to their opponents defenselessly, I'm all about

896
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 2: the celebration. Let them celebrate, let them have fun.

897
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 1: That's fine.

898
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 2: We have another one here to say that overtime drives

899
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 2: should start at the forty, which I'm we talking about

900
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: the targeting first, let's talk about tari go ahead.

901
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: My only thing with the targeting is it needs to

902
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: be an absolute rule. It either needs to not exist

903
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: at all, and the game goes back to the level

904
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: of violence. Good or bad depending on your worldview where

905
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: they lived before, or it has to be a no nonsense,

906
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 1: leave no doubt about anything close to targeting, you're out

907
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: of the game. The problem is when you compare it

908
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: to the NBA. Is somebody running full speed and launching

909
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: themselves with a helmet at the jugular of a slot

910
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: receiver is different than somebody hitting somebody's arm really hard,

911
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: going up for a layup on a fast break, or

912
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 1: even hitting somebody mid air fast break. It's different. It's

913
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: much more violent, and so that's why there are levels

914
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: that sometimes somebody's just going for a block in an

915
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: NBA game and it just it gets it's too much

916
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: and you got to call it. But it's not worth

917
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: kicking them out. Football wise, we're talking knocking somebody out

918
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: cold and saying, well.

919
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 2: It's fifty yarder.

920
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 1: The move is there to discourage that level of violence,

921
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: and so what's to stop on a hail mary to

922
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: decide a game just tackling a receiver just using the

923
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: extreme level of targeting to make sure he doesn't come

924
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: down with it, because you know you're only gonna be

925
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: penalized fifteen yards and not kicked out of a game

926
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: that there's no actual serious repercussion or you're knocking you know,

927
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: DeVante Smith, you're only gonna get fifteen yards, And some

928
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: rogue safety says, well, I'm not getting kicked out of

929
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: the game. I'm going to absolutely obliterate him in a

930
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: clearly illegal way and knock him out of the game. Well,

931
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: the I hear what you're saying, Like it doesn't. The

932
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: rule is there to discourage extreme levels of violence and

933
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 1: dirty plays. And I understand that kids are getting kicked

934
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: out of games because they make mistakes that are not dirty.

935
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: But then you're leaving it on referees who don't necessarily

936
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: have the best reputation to just decide something subjective that's

937
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: going to change the tenor that's the entire ross's that's

938
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 1: the issue. I like the spirit of this idea. I

939
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: think the spirit of this idea is right on.

940
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 2: Like what happened against James Skalsky and the justicelear start

941
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: hit targeting by the rule that to me would qualify

942
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 2: as like the twenty yard penalty no ejection.

943
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: But isn't it also to protect him? It's to protect

944
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: he put it m self in danger by lowering his

945
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: head like that.

946
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: I like the spirit of this rule. I think the

947
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: hole if we're gonna poke it is you're leaving this

948
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 2: up to the opinion of the referees. What is blatant

949
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,439
Speaker 2: disregard versus what isn't And that's where you get into

950
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 2: that ugly gray territory. So next rule. Next rule.

951
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,919
Speaker 1: Here you mentioned overtime starting from the forty that would

952
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: give us some long ass games.

953
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 2: This one from Ken. Only the person who scores the

954
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 2: touchdown can kick the extra point.

955
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: It works for me.

956
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,479
Speaker 2: I would marry this rule. I love this rule so much.

957
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: It absolutely works for me, especially because your mind immediately

958
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: goes to running backs or a tight end or a

959
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: quarterback running in about whatever. There are touchdowns that involve

960
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: defensive tackles is so good falling on the ball. There

961
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: are touchdowns involving an offensive lineman scooping up a fumble

962
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: at the two and running it in whatever. I think

963
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 1: large men kicking is an element to college football that

964
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: we have not embraced enough. So yeah, this is all

965
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: for it.

966
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 2: This this has decided hack a shack feel to it. Okay, yeah,

967
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: I mean it's not a direct line of site, but

968
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 2: like there the notion that you would have a guy

969
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 2: like a DeVante Smith and your team who is awesome

970
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 2: at creating in the open field, scoring touchdowns, being electric

971
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 2: on the field, and then just can't kick for crap

972
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: exactly right. That to me is very interesting. I could say, like,

973
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 2: let's institute this rule in the NFL. Instead of moving

974
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 2: the kicks back, let's put it. Let's put it back

975
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 2: to where it was before. It's eighteen nineteen yard kick,

976
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: and let's just whoever scores a touchdown gets to kick it.

977
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 2: I love what I mean.

978
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: Weren't there like way way back when, like quarterback slash punters.

979
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 1: I think Sammy bad Norm Van Brocklin. Yeah, so it

980
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: forces players to learn more skills. It also, let's say

981
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: Minnesota is playing Indiana. Minnesota is down twenty seven to twenty.

982
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: Minnesota is on the one yard line with a few

983
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: seconds left. We're talking make or break, do or die

984
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: all of the sudden. PJ. Fleck has to decide down seven,

985
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: is it worth kicking an extra point after I score?

986
00:54:55,560 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: Perhaps with Tanner Morgan more going for two? Or you

987
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: or die go for two? Or you like a good wrinkle,

988
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: you like a good zag putting in his kicker at running.

989
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 2: Back oh oh yeah, and have to.

990
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: And just chance punching it in with a sneak or

991
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 1: a hand on your quarterback, right, I mean it's at

992
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: quarterback likely because why would you waste Everybody knows the

993
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: kicker is going to be getting the ball. But then

994
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: you also have a decoy element.

995
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 2: With the kicker. There. Can you put like an eye

996
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 2: formation of kickers?

997
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: You absolutely could. Yeah, all of a sudden, you have

998
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: to do end of game calculus in a way that

999
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: nobody thought possible. You have your punter, your kicker, your

1000
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: backup kicker, your red shirting kicker in some sort of

1001
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: crazy formation.

1002
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 2: James Franklin would so screw this up. Yeah, of course

1003
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 2: he would.

1004
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: I love this rule so much. So now you have

1005
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 1: three choices. Chance Moe Ibrahim kicking the ball, chance giving

1006
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: it to your kicker on the goal line to score,

1007
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: or going for two in a.

1008
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 2: Do or die.

1009
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: Situation.

1010
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 2: This is so good, I think. What are Ron Dane

1011
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 2: scored something like seventy one touchdowns in his college career

1012
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 2: four years, obviously a storied career at Wisconsin. Of those

1013
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 2: seventy one touchdowns, how many kicks does Ron Daye make? Well?

1014
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: Going in? Does Ron Dane know that he is going

1015
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: like the summer before the or the summer when the

1016
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: rule is instituted, does he have to you know, does

1017
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 1: he have the warning to kick five hundred extra points

1018
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: that summer? Well, yeah, he's not thrust into it.

1019
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's not like it just happens in

1020
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 2: the first quarter and it's like, hey, Ron, we have

1021
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 2: breaking news. He knows he can plan for it, he

1022
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 2: can practice it. But of those seventy one attempts, how

1023
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 2: many does Ron Daye make? Does he make more than

1024
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 2: fifty percent?

1025
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: Yes?

1026
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 2: I think he does.

1027
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: Now you're also talking about somebody who's taking a bunch

1028
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: of hits, who's going to have tired legs at the

1029
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: end of a year the way that kickers don't. Right,

1030
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: So seventy one Ron day tremendous athlete. Could he learn

1031
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: to make eighty percent of his point afters? So you're

1032
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: talking about the timing of snap step step step, kick,

1033
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: kick it high enough, kick it down the middle. You

1034
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: probably have more blocks. You definitely have more blocks. You're

1035
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: gonna have more shanky line drive situations that don't go

1036
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: anywhere near the uprights.

1037
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1038
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, of those seventy one touchdowns, scored. I think if

1039
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: he had a summer ahead of time.

1040
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 2: I say he makes fifty five of them.

1041
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where I'm leaning. I don't know what that

1042
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: number works out, two percentage wise, it's over fifty.

1043
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 2: It's over fifty percent.

1044
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: This.

1045
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 2: If I'm going to bat for any of the rules

1046
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 2: that we have listed off here, this is the one

1047
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 2: I would love it. We have another one here. We're

1048
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 2: running out of time and my voice is dying. Okay,

1049
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 2: let's do two more. Yeah, we have a bunch of

1050
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,439
Speaker 2: the scheduling stuff. That couple of those. Yeah, I wanted

1051
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 2: to talk about the one that talked about Where was

1052
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 2: it about the on side kicks? Here we go, no

1053
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 2: more overtime, starting at the twenty five yard line after

1054
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 2: a coin toss. Start it with an on side kick

1055
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 2: from the kicking team's forty. If the kicking team recovers

1056
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 2: and scores the game and scores, the game ends. Repeat

1057
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 2: until one team scores, recovers the kick, or holds their

1058
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 2: opponent from answering. I love this rule. I think on

1059
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: side kicks are only recovered like less than ten percent

1060
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 2: of the time. It's certainly less than twenty percent.

1061
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: Also, a violent play, you just violid play, throwing haymakers

1062
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: back and forth, don't worry about the safety.

1063
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 2: Just forget about that, all right. But I like this

1064
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 2: again as one of those wrinkles. It to include on

1065
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 2: side kicks because on side kicks are fun. They rarely

1066
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 2: work out, but they are fun to watch, So from

1067
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 2: a fans perspective, there's a lot upside there.

1068
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: I didn't put this one in there. Yeah, that doesn't

1069
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: do as much for me. I didn't put this one

1070
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: in there. Somebody suggested almost a shootout style after three overtimes.

1071
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: It's just a kick does a kickoff? Kick versus no

1072
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: kick versus yeah, kick off, not a kick a kickout.

1073
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: Just keep out, moving back, key, moving back five or

1074
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: ten yards at a time. It's not football deciding the game,

1075
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: but neither is it in hockey really when you're just

1076
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: doing a shootout or soccer.

1077
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 2: So that's interesting. Give me like a quick scheduling one

1078
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 2: or two.

1079
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: Okay, so we have a lot of them. Well, first

1080
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: of all, somebody said eliminate overtime, which I kind of love.

1081
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 2: I kind of love that one because the system, Yeah

1082
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 2: it's not the worst, not the worst.

1083
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: Does does the complexion of this past year change. If

1084
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: Notre Dame and Clemson in South Bend End in a tie,

1085
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it does. They're both still making the

1086
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: playoff and ultimately losing.

1087
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 2: So if Notre Dame doesn't beat Clemson the first time,

1088
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 2: I think there's a chance that losing to Clemson in

1089
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 2: the a SEC Championship game knocks them out of the playoff.

1090
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: You think that would be enough to give A and

1091
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: M the NOD hypothetical?

1092
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 2: I think I think so hypothetically.

1093
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a lot of people calling for the

1094
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: normalization of schedules, which I mixed on. I would be

1095
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: okay with it if it meant pods Bill Connolly's system

1096
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: by which teams and I'm definitely paraphrasing and shortening all

1097
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: of this where you basically have three annual opponents in

1098
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: your conference that you know have the most tradition and

1099
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: zazz behind you know, Alabama would have Auburn, LSU, Tennessee, right,

1100
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: and then everything else within the conference rotates and you

1101
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: end up playing more teams more often. I love that

1102
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: you play eight games total within the conference. What people

1103
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: have suggested is based on that Coastal Carolina BYU game

1104
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: is building in a flex week at some point we've

1105
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: got a lot of these pitches building in a flex

1106
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: week somewhere during the season and say player two or

1107
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: three non conference games early, then halfway through the conference

1108
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: part of the schedule you randomly play, or it's like

1109
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: a select it's a thirty two team tournament the top

1110
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: thirty two teams, or it's just a whatever. However many

1111
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: teams EI. There's a Power five version, a G five version.

1112
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: You have conference matchups Big ten, Pac twelve, and you

1113
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: just you rank everybody and you have you have teams

1114
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: play each other as sort of a challenge midyear to

1115
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: say okay, and maybe you flop who gets to play

1116
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: at home in certain years whatever, but you say, okay,

1117
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: Alabama's number four and Oklahoma states number I'm doing my

1118
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: math real quickly here that it's a four and a

1119
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: thirteen or something like that in an NCAA tournament style

1120
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: seed pairing, and they're just going to play each other

1121
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: on October nineteenth and it's decided the week before. Yeah.

1122
01:01:52,680 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 2: I like the real time scheduling flex scheduling twist because again,

1123
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 2: like you could argue, the best game we saw a

1124
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 2: year was BYU Coastal and that happened as I like

1125
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 2: to say, sixty hours before kickoff. So anything that we

1126
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 2: can do, especially from our standpoint, Dan, what do we

1127
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 2: see as the year progresses? Inevitably the downloads go down

1128
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:23,439
Speaker 2: and Hm, I don't think it's because of the show

1129
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 2: gets worse. I think it's because people lose interest. Their

1130
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 2: teams are out of it, they don't have as much

1131
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 2: reason to watch. If suddenly you give folks a reason

1132
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 2: to watch in week twelve a game that we only

1133
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 2: found out about a week prior or some period prior.

1134
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 2: That's interesting. That injects new life into the sport. It

1135
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 2: certainly makes it harder for something.

1136
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: You mentioned the ticket market.

1137
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 2: But the ticket market, like, there's so much upside there

1138
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 2: from a fans perspective that I would want that absolutely.

1139
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 1: Imagine being a season ticket holder and you see the schedule,

1140
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 1: you see the like the Oregon schedule is you know,

1141
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: cal and UCLA and Arizona State. But then right there

1142
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: in late October wild Card.

1143
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you could. I'm assuming charge much higher rates

1144
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 2: for ticket prices if you've got a random Wildcard game

1145
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 2: in there.

1146
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: We'll think about the speculation involved in that ticket market.

1147
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: Earlier on in the season, Obama coming Eugene.

1148
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love this, I really love Let's let's

1149
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 2: put our name behind this one as well, so we'll go,

1150
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 2: we'll go.

1151
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 1: What do you think anything needs to be done about

1152
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: FCS scheduling. I've been all over the place with this.

1153
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I used to be staunchly anti FCS.

1154
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. We've actually gotten some good FCS games over

1155
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 2: the last couple of years. The overwhelming majority of them aren't,

1156
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 2: but you know, like it's good for the sport. We've

1157
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 2: seen North Dakota State contend and win. It is a

1158
01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 2: good exception. They're an exception. It is good for the sport.

1159
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I'm I'm very mixed on it

1160
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 2: as well.

1161
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: I think the big loser in this is obviously the fan,

1162
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: a fan playing paying to see a SOSO FCS opponent

1163
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: take on a paycheck game, you know, traveling to wherever,

1164
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: to Texas or to USC whatever. I know USC hasn't

1165
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: played a lot of these games, but you know, that's

1166
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: just an example of a team that would probably lay

1167
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: waste to Northern Arizona or whatever. But it's good for

1168
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,439
Speaker 1: the sport and that it gets money in the lower

1169
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: levels of the sport, and that's a positive thing. You

1170
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: want football to be popular on all levels if you're

1171
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 1: into the sport. Also, it's good for a team to

1172
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 1: have that opening week to sort out some kinks. We

1173
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 1: like to talk about the biggest improvement coming between week

1174
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: one and week two. And I know people we have

1175
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 1: some other ideas about scheduling. Okay, take all the you know,

1176
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: the top fifteen, the top twenty five teams from the

1177
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: previous year, and schedule them all in Week one and

1178
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: random matchups whatever. All of the sudden, we have a

1179
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 1: Week one that should filled with TCU, Wisconsin and Minnesota,

1180
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: Florida State and we just get all these like incredible

1181
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: matchups week one. I don't love that because I don't

1182
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: think teams are anywhere near where they're going to be

1183
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: week one. So what I like is if we're going

1184
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: to have a normalized schedule, everybody in Week one gets

1185
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: an FCS opponent, work through some kinks, money gets paid.

1186
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: You know, it's good for the health of the sport. Yes,

1187
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: fans lose, but at the same time, you get to tailgate,

1188
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 1: you get to go outside. It's still warm out everywhere,

1189
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: it's it's Okay, you get to watch college football, people

1190
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: are still excited even if the game ends thirty five

1191
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 1: to three. You're eating brought worst, you're with your buddies

1192
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: in a normal year. I think it's okay. I think

1193
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 1: we can get over it.

1194
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 2: Let's close out with this one from Ryan. Okay, I

1195
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 2: think this is something everyone can agree on. No clock

1196
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 2: stoppage after first downs except for the last two minutes

1197
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 2: of each half, because we need to try and keep

1198
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 2: game times closer to three hours. Some games drag on forever.

1199
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 2: Can we just do this one by unanimous consent?

1200
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,919
Speaker 1: Dan, Yeah, I mean, this doesn't really change anything about

1201
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 1: the game, It just makes it shorter by keeping the

1202
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: clock going. I think I'm okay with it. I mean,

1203
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: I generally speaking, the games that get really out of

1204
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 1: hand are the ones on you know, the CBS games,

1205
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: because they go to commercial every few minutes. It has

1206
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: nothing as much to do with the first down clock

1207
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 1: as its much as it's like, Okay, there was a

1208
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: punt right there, there was a first down play and

1209
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: it went out abound, right, you need that, thank you

1210
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: very much. I think I'm alright with this one. And

1211
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: it's also the air raid games it's when we had

1212
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: those Sunny Dykes Mike Leach games out West that went

1213
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: four and a half hours because of all the passes

1214
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 1: and you guys going out of bounds or in complete passes, whatever.

1215
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 1: So I think I'm okay with this game. I don't

1216
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: think it would appreciate I don't think it would change

1217
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 1: the way the rhythm of a game in an appreciative way.

1218
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 2: So I don't think it would change the game that much.

1219
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 2: And I think think it would be a much better

1220
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 2: fan experience, much better fan experience because some of these games.

1221
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 2: He's right, come on, you.

1222
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 1: Want you want to maddox these games. You just want

1223
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 1: to Let's keep it roll. Let's keep it roll.

1224
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 2: Let's streamline this stuff. Man. You know it's if you're

1225
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,439
Speaker 2: down twenty, you're probably not gonna win. Let's go, let's

1226
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:17,919
Speaker 2: keep this, Let's get this show in the road.

1227
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 1: I think I don't know if there was any I'm

1228
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: looking through here. I don't know if it was any

1229
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 1: we have like the bracketbus ideas oh Davis says, this

1230
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 1: is the final one. The spring games should be scrimmages.

1231
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: They don't need to be against huge teams, but make

1232
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 1: it like a preseason game. Plenty of high schools do

1233
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: it. It would increase viewership and attendance.

1234
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 2: What do they when they vote?

1235
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: So maybe this is the FCS match but no, But

1236
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: I don't.

1237
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 2: Know when they vote in like the Senate or Congress.

1238
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 2: What is it? I I when they agree nay, yeah,

1239
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 2: can we just go?

1240
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: And a who we just go?

1241
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 2: I on this one too.

1242
01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: So the reason you do it is because you get

1243
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: a real game in the spring. It's a it's a

1244
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 1: nice little treat. It's a friendly, right, It's it doesn't

1245
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: have you know, it doesn't have the stakes of a

1246
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 1: regular season game, but it's still the sport. The reason

1247
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: why I don't think it would be fully successful is

1248
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 1: why would you try play Trevor Lawrence in a late

1249
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 1: April game if you're colepsing, it's not going towards your record.

1250
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: It's fun to see early enrollees and red shirts and

1251
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 1: those types of people, but.

1252
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 2: You're you're assuming that the friendly is going to have

1253
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 2: normal football rules. What if you can't hit the quarterback?

1254
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 2: You know, what if it's essentially spring football but you're

1255
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 2: protecting What.

1256
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 1: If overtimes consists of only on side kicks?

1257
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 2: What if punts cost one point. Yeah.

1258
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 1: I was going to say, you risk somebody, you know,

1259
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: an outside linebacker, tearing their acl but that spring practice anyway. Yeah,

1260
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:51,799
Speaker 1: that anyway.

1261
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 2: So as long as as long as you've got some

1262
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 2: protections in place here to make sure that these guys

1263
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 2: aren't out drilling each other and you're hurting your top talent,

1264
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 2: I don't see why you can do it.

1265
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 1: So the only reason why I think teams wouldn't be

1266
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:09,719
Speaker 1: into it is I don't think guys are in game

1267
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 1: shape during the spring like there they go through winter conditioning.

1268
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,640
Speaker 1: I think spring is a lot more for seeing what

1269
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: you have depth wise, installing new systems, getting new coaches ready,

1270
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 1: and it's just it's shaking off some rust. But it's

1271
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 1: not necessarily getting guys game ready. And so that's that

1272
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 1: could be the issue where it's sort of counterintuitive to

1273
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: what spring football actually is. It's a series of practices

1274
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 1: for the sake of practice, not for the sake of

1275
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 1: preparing for a game. Fall camp is very different from

1276
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: spring camp. So that's that's the only reason why not.

1277
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: But I guess they are scrimmaging at the end and

1278
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 1: if everybody's on the same playing field, But man, then

1279
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 1: you're you're rarely talking about installing a new fall camp

1280
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: in the spring.

1281
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 2: At that point, I'm okay with this. I'm totally okay

1282
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 2: with this, But.

1283
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 1: I would understand why they're not, but I would be going.

1284
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 1: But especially if we are talking about, say, you know,

1285
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: a Scout team red shirt. You know it's guys wearing

1286
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 1: the uniform, it's guys that are contributors. But you know

1287
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a bunch of guys sitting and maybe

1288
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 1: they're playing a D two school, local D two school,

1289
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 1: a way to get some money to other schools in

1290
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 1: the area. Oregon's playing willam At College. Shippensburg football has

1291
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: taken on Penn State and State.

1292
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 2: Well, now that we've got Mike Rsich, that's obvious Shippensburg connection.

1293
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: Oh man, I think I'm okay with it. I don't know.

1294
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:36,719
Speaker 1: I it would be very strange to May still.

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01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 2: By the way, I don't think we've talked about like

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Speaker 2: your sitch taking over for.

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Speaker 1: Replacing Kirk Shrock.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of came out of the blue. Rock.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I really didn't anticipate all sorts of crazy changes

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Speaker 1: to coaching staffs, which just shows how dumb I am,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it obviously didn't work out. We don't know

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Speaker 1: the nature of what occurred in the Penn State Football

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Speaker 1: office and whether or not people got along or didn't.

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Speaker 1: But no, apparently James Franklin wanted to hire Mike You're

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01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 1: Sick last year and got beaten out by Texas and

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Speaker 1: Tom Herman. So took advantage of his opportunity. Got a

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Speaker 1: local smart football mind. And I think he played in

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Speaker 1: PA as well. Right, yeah, I think he played college

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Speaker 1: football there. He's a PA dude.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: Good for Penn State. I hope it works out for him.

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Speaker 2: Follow us on social media at solid Verbal. Also check

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Speaker 2: out our patreon at for Bowlers dot com. As they

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Speaker 2: said at the top, two episodes a week for the

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Speaker 2: foreseeable future. At some point in July, will scale back

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Speaker 2: up to three to get you ready for the season.

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Speaker 2: But for the time being, catching her breath, letting her voices, heal,

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Speaker 2: getting back on the horse every Tuesday Thursday.

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Speaker 1: That's the sky, sir, simple as that.

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Speaker 2: Stay warm out there, a right, man.

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Speaker 1: I woke up and it said negative zero on my

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means.

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Speaker 2: That's a singular. You're in the singularity Yeah, isn't there

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Speaker 2: for that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubenstein,

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Speaker 2: for myself, Tie Hill, the brand. We will talk to

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Speaker 2: y'all next week. In the meantime, stay safe, stay healthy,

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Speaker 2: stay happy, enjoy your weekend.

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Speaker 1: Stay soft, please,