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Speaker 1: you look good. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna blow smoke,

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Speaker 1: and I will watch it ripple all open my curves,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this. Your mom's book made me cry,

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Speaker 1: Thank you Joel and Dale for accommodating us. And um,

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Speaker 1: We also want to have the fun of folding in

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Speaker 1: of Um, we talked to all the stuff we've told

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Speaker 1: I don't know it. I don't know, I don't know what. Well,

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Speaker 1: April second or right, Joel. Yes, it's a full week

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Speaker 1: I have a curtain in the middle of the TV room?

425
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 1: You said yes? And we did so many plays we had.

426
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: By the way, if you have a child and you

427
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: don't have to put it in the middle of the room,

428
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 1: or if they have a playroom, you could put it

429
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: like one third of the way through the room. But

430
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, this curtain that was, you know,

431
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: probably not super expensive. We got so much joy from

432
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 1: just the idea of we're putting on a show and

433
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: we can pull the curtain and do a show. And

434
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: then the big feature of it was it had to

435
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: be a curtain. Yeah what it was. We got so

436
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: many hours of joy out of that damn curtain. Yeah yeah, yeah,

437
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 1: I think you know. I was also into the tech,

438
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: you know, as you know, I was into the technical theater.

439
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: So these these these shows would sometimes have elaborate set

440
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: changes that the audience would have to wait while me

441
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: and my little sister were changing the set behind the curtain. Okay,

442
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: so let me ask you a question. You knew you

443
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: wanted to be in theater, You knew you wanted to

444
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: be a performer of some sort. When did you realize

445
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: you wanted to tell stories too? Though? When was that?

446
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: When did that become part of the It's a good question.

447
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: I have an early memory of standing in front of

448
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 1: I think it was fifth grade. We had been given

449
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 1: an assignment that we were going to read a story.

450
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 1: I may have told this before in the podcast. We

451
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 1: were told to read a story, and then we were

452
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 1: going to read. Those who swanted to could read it

453
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 1: in front of the classroom. And I wrote my story

454
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: and I included the characters in my story were kids

455
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 1: in the class, so I made them the proton certain

456
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: kids in the class that were you know, popular or

457
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: everybody liked. I kind of made them the protagonists. And

458
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 1: then when I it was funny, and when I read

459
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: the story, the whole class, including the teacher, were belly laughing,

460
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 1: And I remember like looking up being like this feeling

461
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: of I wrote this at my death and all of

462
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: these kids, including that teacher, are cracking up. Is like

463
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: was like a Eureka moment for me, like, oh, I

464
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: want to keep doing this like this, not only performing it.

465
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: But the fact that these are my thoughts that I said,

466
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: Naima Johnson did something, you know, funny on this adventure

467
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: that I'd made up. Whatever it was, it was a

468
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 1: great It was a great feeling. And I think that

469
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 1: that that it's sort of just kind of dovetailed into

470
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: all the things I was doing, the community, theater, the

471
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 1: camp and stuff like that. Did you get a lot

472
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: of calls from school about how creative your son was?

473
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: And um, when he was in school, Um, he didn't

474
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: do a lot of theater. He did theater camp in

475
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: the summer. But one story I do remember is when

476
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: he was in high school, he was very active in

477
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: the television and radio station they had at the high school.

478
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: A what was it? What did you call it? Um? Well,

479
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: in college it was called RTVF. I forgot what the

480
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 1: what the high version which is where you roll in

481
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: the TV the av squad. I told everyone to Mom

482
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: about how I was when I was younger. I was

483
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: I thought I was so cool because I was on

484
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: the I was on the team that would roll the

485
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: projectors into the classroom, and I I just I thought

486
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: I was Fonzie. I just thought there was nobody cooler

487
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: than me because I was wheeling that projector into the classroom.

488
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: There you are, I mean, yeah, but I go ahead,

489
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: tell them tell the story about its own. The story

490
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: is that there was a news program that um was

491
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 1: on a local station, you know, that they had in

492
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: the community, and so they did a real news program

493
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: I think every week, Sack, I don't know, something like that. Yeah, anyway,

494
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: I remember it was Channel thirty five. Yes, and you

495
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: were I guess for a series of them or a

496
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: couple of them. You were the director. Yeah, and uh

497
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: you won Director of the Year at in high school

498
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: that year, my first award for directing. Yes, and this

499
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: is one of the moments I remember being very proud

500
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: of you. And it's happened since then, but this was

501
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: one of the first. The man who ran the program

502
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: came over to me afterwards and said, you have no

503
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: idea how wonderfully he is with all the people who

504
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: are doing this program. He's talking to them through the

505
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: microphone and telling them they're doing a great job. He's

506
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: telling them that was wonderful. I love that when they

507
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: make a mistake, he's telling them, don't worry. He's whispering

508
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: to them. And he said, I never saw anything like that,

509
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: So it made me very proud of you as a person.

510
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: You brought tears to my eyes, Mom, because I love

511
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: that you told that story. But also I was a

512
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: very happy time. You know, I did feel quite alienated

513
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: in high school, as you know. I had friends and everything,

514
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: but I just couldn't I wasn't into sports, and I

515
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: couldn't find my thing. And in that TV group, I

516
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: found my people, and in directing, I found a thing

517
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: that really lit me up. And I'm really happy memories

518
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: from being there. So I just have to say one

519
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: more thing that every time I visit one of your

520
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: sets you've been going for a while, you all know

521
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: each other, the thing is humming, and somebody, at least

522
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: one person often more come over to me and say,

523
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: your son is running a beautiful set here. We all

524
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: love each other and we love him, and that's a

525
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: beautiful thing. And that started with that director in high school. Yeah,

526
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: mister Mullen, Yeah, yeah, shout out, mister Mullen. I bet

527
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: you never thought, never thought you'd get a shout out,

528
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: mister mullin. But mister Mullen, I don't know if you'll

529
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: listen to the truthfully I'm not even I'm not even

530
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: sure if he's still with us. But he was a

531
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: wonderful teacher. And uh, and it was a great experience.

532
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: Um wow, I wonder if any of my teachers listen

533
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: to our podcast if you do. And you failed me,

534
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: and you thought I wasn't going to amount to anything

535
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: in your face so much? Yeah, and your face. I

536
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: remember I had a teacher that my charms didn't work

537
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: on her, and she she this was at the height

538
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: of family ties, I think, and and I thought I

539
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: thought I was I thought I was a little like

540
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: Alex P. Keaton and and but this is so she

541
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: she came. We were all waiting outside the class, and

542
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: she showed up late. And I think I was like

543
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: trying to be like a funny wise ass and I

544
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: was like pointing to my watch, like and she turned

545
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: to me and she said, Zach, I'm really not into

546
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: the whole Alex P. Keaton thing. Oh I never forgot

547
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: that that had to feel good. It hurt my feelings

548
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: that I that she didn't think my Alex P. Keaton

549
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: esque charm was charming. But I but, um, but I

550
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: the fact that you, the fact that she knew that

551
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: you were doing Alex P. Keaton without you being like

552
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: I'm doing Alex P. Keaton. No, I mean I'm saying

553
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: I try to be. That was silver lining right there.

554
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: The silver line is freaking. I'm a genius actor because

555
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: I impressionist, because I was playing a character and you

556
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: picked up one it. Yes, you got what I was

557
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: going with. Um, Um, wait what I was thinking about something?

558
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: What are we talking about right before that? Um? We

559
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: were talking about you? But yeah, I banked on Um,

560
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: so mom, what was it like? No, but go go

561
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: back to obviously, well, I wanted to talk about Scrubs. Um,

562
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: you do you remember when I called you? You were

563
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: I think you were the first call I made when

564
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: I because when I after my sixth audition for Scrubs,

565
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: I had a Motorola star Tech if you recall those,

566
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: and I put it on the I had been told

567
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: that I will know sooner, I know, probably today or tomorrow,

568
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: and I put the Motorola star Tech I remember on

569
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: the passenger seat of my Nissan two forty SX, and

570
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: I just started driving on the one on one Freeway

571
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: and my phone rang and it was I believe it

572
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: was Bill Lawrence who said, I'm I'm not supposed to

573
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: tell you because every other people want to tell you.

574
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: But you got it, and I'm so excited, and I

575
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: was freaking out, and I said, you know, I knew

576
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: that you would be my first call. So do you

577
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: do you remember that moment at all? You I do

578
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: remember the call exactly, and I remember I didn't know

579
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: about all the callbacks. I didn't know the process at all,

580
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: because I think you were kind of holding back because

581
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: it was very big, and I don't think you wanted

582
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: to get us all excited, you know, yeah, and then

583
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: be disappointed. Um, And there's nothing like that phone call

584
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: when you got to tell your mom. I didn't get

585
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: the part, so I'm sure you know. I know, I

586
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: think I had turned, but with both of my parents,

587
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: I think I'd got into a place. You know. I

588
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: was waiting tables. I was in a lull, you know,

589
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: being an actor, there's highs and lows at all stages.

590
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: And at this stage, I had gotten some indies and

591
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: I had gotten some stuff, but I was kind of

592
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: at a lull. I was working as a waiter, and

593
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: I didn't want them to get excited before there was

594
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: any you know, so I would I would even if

595
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: even when I was six auditions in, I was probably

596
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: minimizing it because I didn't want to to point them

597
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: you know, yes, yes, but it was very very exciting.

598
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: And then what I think happened was that it grew

599
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: on me. You know, I began to realize over a

600
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: period of days and even weeks, what this was going

601
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: to be the first season. You know, we didn't know,

602
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: of course, that it would be many seasons. And then

603
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: the you know, it started to do very well. You know,

604
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: the ratings were extremely good, and it was exciting, very

605
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: very exciting. And I remember bringing Sarah home. We were

606
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: going to the upfronts, which we've talked about here a

607
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: bunch of times, and Sarah came over to the house,

608
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: and you everyone instantly fell in love with Sarah as

609
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: you do in real life. And I remember at one point,

610
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: you know, I had had girlfriends that weren't exactly helping

611
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: around the house that much as as a mom would

612
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: would like. And I remember Sarah was over just as

613
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: a friend. But there she was at the kitchen sink

614
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: doing dishes from dinner, and she called out, she was like,

615
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: did anyone let the dog out? And my mom was like,

616
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: I love her. I remember that. I remember Sarry doing

617
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: the dishes and calling over the water, did anyone let

618
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: the dog out? And my mom turning and be like,

619
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: I love her, Oh my god, you can marry her

620
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: right now. I know. Well she is. She is quite

621
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: a catch, and and we we miss her. She's coming

622
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: on the show a bunch, but we don't see it

623
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: that much because she's in Canada. Well tell me about

624
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: do you remember visiting set for the first time? What

625
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: that was like? Yes, because it was like nothing I

626
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: had ever done before in my life. You know, I'd

627
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: never seen a set of that size and complexity. And

628
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: wait pause, look who it is? She is, my sweetheart?

629
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: Are you I'm good? How are you? I'm good. I'm good.

630
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: It's wonderful to see your face. Well, thank you. I

631
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: just took my anti aging face led man. Oh that's

632
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: why you look fourteen. Yes, thank you, thank you, thank you.

633
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: It works in the closet and phones on. Yeah, Mom,

634
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know that. I know you

635
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: listen to the show sometimes, but this is this is

636
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: Donald's a home studio in their walking closet. I definitely

637
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: know about the closet. This beautiful. Yeah, we always get

638
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 1: to see when when when you've picked up the dry cleaning. Yeah,

639
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: I was actually thinking about it this morning. I was like,

640
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: I need to redo the closet for this live show

641
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: now that we have now that we have HD cameras, Wen,

642
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: everything is more, everything's gonna be clearer. Oh god, that's

643
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: so scary. We gotta figure something out this week. And

644
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: congratulations so cute. I love looking at the online. They're

645
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 1: just adorable. Oh they're ready to come visit you whenever

646
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: you want. Oh that would be so good. Now this

647
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: terrible time that we are all in and we can know.

648
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: I know we miss you so much. We haven't seen

649
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: you in so long. Last time we saw you was

650
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: like zach birth, like a little bit after was It's

651
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: it will it will have been over a year probably.

652
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: My birthday is April sixth, coming up, those of you

653
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: who want to shower me with presents, No, we know,

654
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: we know everybody in your calendar a case on my

655
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: calendar every year. All right, we gotta go because we

656
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: will call you. Okay, I love you. Tell my mom

657
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: that she's wonderful. I tell her all the time. I

658
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: tell her on Instagram all the time. We liked each

659
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: other from the first moment. Yes, always, because Casey's the

660
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: kind of woman who'll say did anyone let the dog out?

661
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: And now Casey won't say did anyone let the dog out?

662
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: She was not she's not. I don't even know what

663
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: that means. It wasn't there. Um, So we have a caller. Guys,

664
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: we should go to break first. Let's go to go

665
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: to break, and then we're gonna take a caller that

666
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: Joelle found to ask my mom a question about talking

667
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: to your children when you're going through a very shitty

668
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 1: thing called the divorce. We'll be right back after these

669
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: messages and any bay back by. All right, we're back.

670
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: We're back. We're back back, and Joelle bringing the caller

671
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: to answer the caller's question. Say hello to Chrissie Martel.

672
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: Give it up for Christy Martei. Where is your thunderous applause? Chrissy,

673
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: we're giving you thunderous applause. So excited. I this is

674
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: like a dream come true. Oh you're very sweet. We're

675
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: so happy that you're here and uh and that you're

676
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: willing to come on and uh, so you've got you

677
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: see Joelle and Daniel. Um, I don't know where the

678
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: boxes are for you. That's Donald who you recognize. And

679
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: that beautiful woman with the scarf is my mom. And hello,

680
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: it's so I'm just honored to meet you. It's so exciting.

681
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Well, we're glad. How you. Where are you

682
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 1: calling from, Chrissy, Aurora, Illinois, a western suburb of Chicago,

683
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: Chicago in the house. Okay, I know why Joel got

684
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: you on the line. Chicago natives stick together. You Illinois

685
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: girls stick together. Yes, Illinois. If you if you're from

686
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: Illinois and you write in, you're way more likely to

687
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 1: get picked if you brag about loving Illinois in the subject.

688
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: Just brag about that, or brag about Northwestern one or

689
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: the other. Well, I don't read them, Joeleda, so you

690
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 1: have to. Maybe you could say that you love rebels,

691
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:42,479
Speaker 1: you love Ganja, you love all things that Joel might enjoy. Ps. Five.

692
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: Ganja's legal here now, so you know. Oh hello, welcome

693
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: to the club, New Jersey too. By the way, um,

694
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: all right, listen, Chrissy. We had you on because we

695
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: have the gift of having a brilliant child psychologist here

696
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: who's written a new book called The Fall Calling Down Time,

697
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: which is aimed to help children roughly six to ten

698
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: mom deal with helping helping parents talk to their children.

699
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: And we had you on because I understand that you're

700
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: going through a divorce and have children of this age,

701
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: and we thought maybe you could ask my mom a

702
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: question that would help facilitate more conversation for people that

703
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: are in a similar place. So, so go ahead with

704
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: your question. I would love to um, is it doctor Bradzynski? Yes,

705
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: say and but please call me well and it's it's

706
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: a pleasure. So yes, I am going through divorce. I

707
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: am also a divorce attorney. So I was telling Joel,

708
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: I'm going the DIY route representing myself. But you know,

709
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: it's it is what it is. And this has been

710
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: a tough year for a lot of parents, and a

711
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: lot of parents of kids with special needs, which I

712
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: happened to be. I have two children, ages four and

713
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: a half and three. He's actually Oscar. He's going to

714
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: be turning three on Tuesday. So they are a handful.

715
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: They're awesome boys. They are autistic, and you know, it's

716
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: just tough sometimes and so parenting can be difficult. But

717
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: really what I care most about is them, and I

718
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: think that's what I always tell my clients, the most

719
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: important thing is the best interests of the children, making

720
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: sure they're okay. And so my question is, you know,

721
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: when I am with my boys and they're a little

722
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: bit younger than your target audience, but as they grow,

723
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: you know, these things will probably be important too. They're

724
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: too young for this book, yeah, okay, Well when they

725
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: get old enough for it, and just as they get

726
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: old enough to maybe understand a little bit better about

727
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: mom and dad not living in the same house anymore,

728
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: you know, there will be a lot of questions. But

729
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: the one thing that I really care about the most

730
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: is just how they're feeling. And sometimes they'll be sad

731
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: and I can't exactly understand why, And so I'm wondering

732
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: should I ask them specifically, are you sad because Dad's

733
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 1: not here? Or should I ask them why are you sad?

734
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: You know, because I don't want to bring it up

735
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: if it's not on their mind, But I also don't

736
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: want to glaze over it if it is something that

737
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: I should you address at any given time? Right, So,

738
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: of course I don't know your children, and so I'm

739
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: I'm answering in a kind of a global way, but

740
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: you'll take from it whatever works for you and your kids.

741
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: In general, it's safe to say knowing why a child

742
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: is sad is less important than being a person who

743
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: notices that they're sad. So, really, for your three year old,

744
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 1: most three year rolls don't really know why they're sad

745
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: unless something just happened, like someone took their toy or

746
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: they dropped some food or whatever it is. They know

747
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: about that sad. The larger issues which are in your

748
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: case sadness certainly about the divorce and some grief probably

749
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: as well. Three year olds feel, but they don't know

750
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: how to tell you. They don't have the language to

751
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: tell you. So the best thing to do if you

752
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: sense that three year old is sad is to kind

753
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: of maybe curl up in a nice cozy place and

754
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: get the stuffed animal that's the favorite, and read a

755
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: favorite book, maybe some food, some good food, and do

756
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: a little snuggling and just kind of be together and

757
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: make a plan for later rather than try to find out.

758
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: What you're doing is really acting as though you know,

759
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: and that is the most important thing in For your

760
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: four year old, it's a little different four and a

761
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: half year old, it's a little different. And again you'll

762
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: judge this from your kids and whatever parts of autism

763
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: are affecting them. But for four and a half year

764
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: old you can be a little more explicit. But rather

765
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: than say what are you sad about? One of the things,

766
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: I like to do a lot of drawings with kids

767
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: this age. They love to draw. So you can do

768
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: what I call a temperature tower. It's just a simple line,

769
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: a vertical line with one at the bottom and a

770
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: hundred at the top, and you draw one for you,

771
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: and you draw one for your child with their name

772
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 1: at the top, and the temperature chart is how am

773
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: I feeling right now? And you do yours first, and

774
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: you say, well, I'm about a seven. I'm okay, but

775
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: you know I might be a five. I don't know, sorry, mom.

776
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: If you do, you mean one to one to ten

777
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: or one to one hundred. Sorry I should have said

778
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: one to ten doesn't matter. Yeah, But you so you're saying,

779
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: if let's just let's stick with one to ten because

780
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: that's where you started. So you're saying one to ten.

781
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: So you say I'm a five or I'm a seven whatever,

782
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: rather than even if you're a one, I wouldn't go

783
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: there I would just sort of stay in the middle,

784
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: but it gives the child that's listening to you an

785
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: option to not be a ten. Now the child may

786
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: say I'm a ten, and that's interesting. But if you've

787
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 1: come through a little period of sadness and you sense something,

788
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: you could say, okay, you're at ten. Wow, that's amazing.

789
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm at ten, but I'm not always at ten.

790
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: So it's a kind of a way that you're communicating

791
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: together that you know that it isn't always okay, and

792
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: you may get a conversation out of that from your

793
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 1: four and a half year old, a little bit of conversation.

794
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: You can also say, well, when I do such and such,

795
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: I feel like a ten. And when I do this,

796
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: I tend to feel down a little bit lower. Do

797
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: you have any things that make you higher or lower?

798
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: Another thing is what I call it frown box. So

799
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: you don't say it's a sad box, but a frown

800
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: box is any little box that you find and some

801
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: objects they could be stones that aren't swallowable or whatever,

802
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: and you take turns putting things in the box and

803
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: you call them frowns, and you say what you're frowning about?

804
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: So you participate in this as well, so that part

805
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: of it is that the child feels that I'm a

806
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: human being. I'm like my mom and I'm you know,

807
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: if your husband, your exitent husband could do this too,

808
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: it would be wonderful for them to share this with him,

809
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: both the temperature towers and the frown box. So you

810
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: get to see you're a child, but you get to

811
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: see I'm not. There's nothing wrong with me that I

812
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: have these feelings. I have these feelings with so to

813
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: my mom and dad. Yeah. One of the most powerful

814
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: things that I've shared with the listeners here, Mom, that

815
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: you always said to me is um you know and

816
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: I and I you said it to me as a child,

817
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: and I think of it now when I'm forty about

818
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: to turn forty six, which is you said I would

819
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: share with you something that was upsetting me, and you go, well,

820
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: of course that makes total sense. If you didn't feel

821
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: that way, there'd be something wrong with you that when

822
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: you're going through this X Y Z experience, If you

823
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: didn't feel abc, there'd be something the matter with you.

824
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: That was all you have. I found that you said.

825
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: Since you said that, Zach, we've started doing that. Yeah. Well,

826
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: that's all my mom. That's her, that's that's her specialty.

827
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: Another thing I wanted to say, Mom, that you gave

828
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: me that really helped me as a child. Um, there

829
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: were these worried dolls. I don't know if they were.

830
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: They a Mexican and they still sell them. Yeah, I'm

831
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: sure you might find them on Amazon, just on the

832
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: internet somewhere. I believe they're called Mexican worried dolls. And

833
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 1: their their their their minuscule, they're they're about a centimeter

834
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: high and then go in a little container. And what

835
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: you do, is my mom, as my mom taught me,

836
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: is for a worrying child. And I was a kid

837
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: who worried a lot. As you teach each you tell

838
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: each figure one of your worries, and you put them

839
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: in the little canister next to your bed, and while

840
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: you're sleeping, they work on your worries. So it's like

841
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: the child can have their anxiety relieved because like, don't worry.

842
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: These dolls are specifically meant to work. That's all they

843
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: do as they work on worries. And I remember being

844
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: a kid be like this is a big worry, So

845
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: I would like talk to them. I'm like look, I'm

846
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: gonna need six of you guys on this worry. I

847
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: would I would totally like give them tasks and I'd

848
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:36,919
Speaker 1: be like, look, I need everybody, but you you're gonna

849
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: you have a little small worry, but you guys are

850
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: all on this main worry. And I really believed it,

851
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: and um and took comfort in knowing that while I

852
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: was sleeping, they'd be attacking the worry. It was awesome.

853
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: They don't they don't take it away, but they work

854
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, they work for you, and I love

855
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 1: it for two reasons. In my household, Um, my boys

856
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: are I'm white and my husband's met skin, so they

857
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: would it would be great for them. I'm always trying

858
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: to incorporate, you know, their culture, and that would be cool.

859
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: But also, sleeping is tough just for us in general.

860
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: Kids with autism are always up in the middle of

861
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: the night and we're still working on that. But if

862
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: that could be something that could help them stay in

863
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: their own bed and stay you know, not have to

864
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: because I'm a sandwich right now, I'll have both boys

865
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: on either side of me and they just roll right

866
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: into me. So I'm like trying to teach them to

867
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: sleep in their own beds and stuff. And that's a

868
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: great idea. I'm gonna look those up. Yeah, I got

869
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: a lot. It was. It was I was so lucky

870
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,959
Speaker 1: to have a child psychologist mom, because she and people

871
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: always joke with me over the years like, oh, because

872
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: my stepfather was a psychologist and my stepmother's a therapist,

873
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: and people are like, oh, were they always all analyzing you?

874
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: And the truth is I didn't. I didn't feel that

875
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: at all. I felt like I was really well listened to.

876
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: They understood the importance of listening to the child and

877
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: hearing what they have to say. And I always felt heard.

878
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: And and so you want to men, we're never like

879
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: in a room with a big mirror. Ever, what do

880
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: you mean, like you you never ever we're in like

881
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: a room you mean like a two way mirror where

882
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: they were Thank goodness now no, but a right though,

883
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: when you say stuff like that, that's the first thing

884
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: you go to. It's like, wow, you had a lot

885
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: of you had a lot of therapy and your yes. Yes.

886
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: So my father in his later years, my father, in

887
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 1: his later years taught a marriage counseling course with my stepmother.

888
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: So then he got on the therapy therapy trained too.

889
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: It was getting in from all sides. It's important. I mean,

890
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: you can tell when you listen to this podcast that

891
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: Zach especially you have had a lot of words of

892
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: wisdom in your life because you have such empathy with

893
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: everyone that you talked to. And I just think that

894
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: that's one of the best parts about listening. I mean,

895
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: I love the show, I love everything about it, but

896
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: I will say, Anne, you raised a nice young man

897
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: who is very pathetic to people and and kind, and

898
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: I just think that it's so cool to listen and

899
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: see that your two favorite actors are really good people

900
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: and they're just fun talking to one another, and it's

901
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: just so much fun listened. You're very sweet, Chrissy. I

902
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: heard everything you just said. You said Zach is empathetic,

903
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: and I'm not I heard you know. No, no, no,

904
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 1: I'm sure when when Chrissy's back on for your mom's show,

905
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: she'll say the same thing about it. I am good

906
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: with moms, so you know, no, I'm just kidding. I am.

907
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: That means a lot to me, Chrissy. And yes, not

908
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: only did I have empathetic therapists in my life, but

909
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: I also was in therapy. We you know, there was

910
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: no stigma in my family about going to therapy or

911
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: seeking out new age things, whether it be books or courses.

912
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: It was a very the environment was very open to

913
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: working on yourself. You know. I know plenty of people listening,

914
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: I'm sure their families were the opposite. There was something

915
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: wrong with you if you were going with therapists, or

916
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: there was something wrong with you if you're reading a

917
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: self help book or or had interest in a workshop.

918
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: So I'm very blessed that I had a family that

919
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: was like, do it all, read everything, you know, take

920
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,959
Speaker 1: that wacky workshop where you're walking on goals or whatever

921
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: it is. That's it. It's very interesting our parents kind

922
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: of had the same type of not the same upbringing,

923
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: but had a lot of the same interests. And so

924
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: because of that, Zach and I have a very similar

925
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: upbringing where we took workshops and you know what I mean,

926
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: and therapy was wasn't looked at as something bad. You know, Um,

927
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's really interesting. It's really that. I

928
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: find that the most interesting about our friendship. It's like

929
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: we were destined to meet, if you ask me, because

930
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: a lot of the things that we went through as

931
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: kids are just too similar. You know, It's just we

932
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: have we learned that we both would sneak into the light.

933
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: I told Donald mom on on the last show that

934
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: I would sneak other kids were sneaking behind the school

935
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: to smoke cigarettes. I would sneak into the school auditorium

936
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: to play with the ancient lighting board. And Donald was like,

937
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: I did too, but he did it because he was

938
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: in the A V. Club. Man. I did it because

939
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: I thought it was like, you know, I was freaking

940
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:28,439
Speaker 1: uh flying turn and turning everything into light speed? Right? Great? Um, well,

941
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: I hope that that was helpful, Chrissy, um um. I

942
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't say fix your life, well, but I'm scared. No,

943
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: we don't want to. We we don't. We're gonna this

944
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: isn't fix your life segment, but definitely, um, get a copy.

945
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: Do you want to fix your life? I actually had

946
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: a just a quick question about it, But I am

947
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 1: interested in the book too. Yeah, so get the book

948
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: The Falling Down Time. Your kids are obviously a little

949
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: young for it, but my clients kids will. But yeah,

950
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: you're a diversity divorsity, but this should be on your

951
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: coffee table in your office, for your for your for

952
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: your clients falling down to tell them where I found it,

953
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,240
Speaker 1: and they'll just be like, what you are on that podcast?

954
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: You know what? You can put a post it note

955
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: on this on the coffee table in your in your

956
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,439
Speaker 1: waiting room. That says Zach Braff's mom wrote this awesome book,

957
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: I love The Falling Down Time, which is on Amazon.

958
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: Let's take a break. We'll be right back after these

959
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: fine words. Okay, Donald is giving you a fix your

960
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: life opportunity. I wasn't going to do it, but he's

961
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: the co host. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for Illinois's

962
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: favorite segment. It's time to fix You're all right? Go ahead, Chrissy. Okay,

963
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: well it's pretty simple. I am single, so I'm I'm

964
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: just kind of ready to start dating. I know it

965
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: sounds like you know people. Everyone does it at their

966
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: own pace, whenever the time is right. Right for me,

967
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: I'm feeling time is right I am. And I apologize

968
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: to my ex if he's listening to this. Sorry, but

969
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: he can date two go for whatever. I have two

970
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: awesome kids and they are young, and well obviously we're

971
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: a package deal. But I want to get to know

972
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 1: someone for who they are. I want them to get

973
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: to know me for who I am. You know, when

974
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: is the right time to tell people about it? What

975
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: do I? How do I approach this subject? I mean,

976
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: I think Donald you would know, um, what it's like

977
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: dating when you already have children and obviously finding someone

978
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: that you want to be a companion with and then

979
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: and then I am still open to having children some

980
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: day m thirty two, so I have time and I

981
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: would love to start a life with someone in that way.

982
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: But also right now, I'm just looking to date two

983
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: right that. That's normal and you should there's nothing wrong

984
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: with that. Have you started? The obvious question that comes

985
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: to mind is the apps? Have you tried? And you

986
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: don't have to go on the Tinder of course, but

987
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: like one of the more ones for relationships like match

988
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 1: and such? Have you have you done any of that? Yeah?

989
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: Funny enough, I met my husband on e harmony, so

990
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: that one's out. Yeah, it doesn't stuck, So I, um,

991
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: I did, Yeah, I looked at some of the apps

992
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: I got on. I'm then I got off of that.

993
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: I got on to bed and I'm like, I've talked

994
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: to people. I will come on a couple dates. I

995
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: just don't want to like rope somebody in and then

996
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: be like, by the way, I have two kids. Well,

997
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: I think in your match profile, you in your match

998
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: if I was advising you as your dating advisor, I

999
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 1: would not I would have your beautiful children in somewhere

1000
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 1: in your match profile, pictures of you happy with your kids,

1001
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: you know, So you're never misleading anyone. I'm I'm a

1002
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 1: mom of two. I mean, there's think how many people

1003
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: are out there dating with children. The kind of man

1004
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,479
Speaker 1: you're going to be looking for is not someone who's

1005
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: going to be afraid of that, obviously. Yeah. I was

1006
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: gonna say if you're if you if you find somebody

1007
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: and you say I have kids and that's a deal

1008
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: break up for them, that wasn't the person for you anyway, right,

1009
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: So you know it's it's it's I don't think I

1010
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: don't think there is a scenario where you don't ort

1011
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,919
Speaker 1: to where from the gate you should be telling people

1012
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: I'm a single mother. You know. Um, I think the

1013
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 1: more honest and open you are, you'll attract the type

1014
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: of person you're looking for, you know where. Uh So

1015
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't worry about I wouldn't worry about that.

1016
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: You'll also remove the anxiety um right away that oh

1017
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be misleading and found out like no, you're

1018
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 1: being right up front, like don't don't come knocking if

1019
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: you're not interested in they'll still come knock. And trust me,

1020
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: yeah they still they'll still come knocking. Oh yeah, I've

1021
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: had a couple of Yeah. But you might also, I mean,

1022
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: you know, full disclosure, you might. You might want some

1023
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: fun and and just some fun dating. It might. It might.

1024
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: You might after being in a man orange and going

1025
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 1: through this divorce which doesn't sound which obviously is unpleasant,

1026
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: you know, give yourself license to date and have fun

1027
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: and maybe not necessarily go right for the guy who's

1028
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: maybe going to be your next husband and stepfather to

1029
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: your kids. You might want to have a little fun

1030
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: dating time with people that aren't necessarily father material, but

1031
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: fun fun. At the end of the day, you and

1032
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: if it does get to the point where it does

1033
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: become that serious, you could say, well, you know, I

1034
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: got into I wasn't I was I'm a divorced parent,

1035
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: I wasn't really looking for a relationship. Where we are

1036
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: now is where we are, and so I'm opening up

1037
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 1: more to you, but to be I was just trying

1038
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: to get out there and meet new people, to be

1039
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: honest with you, and you just so happy it just

1040
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: so happened to get serious with you. So if you

1041
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: want to keep it light, it's all right to keep

1042
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: it light too. It depends on what it is that

1043
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: you want to do. As Zach just said, if you're

1044
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: looking for another relationship, I would be as open as

1045
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: possible when letting you know, letting everyone know who you are,

1046
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 1: if that's what you want, because I always feel if

1047
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: you're withholding anything, then you're gonna always gonna have this

1048
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: anxiety in your head about oh what if? What if

1049
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: he finds out? So don't just let's just get rid

1050
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: of it right off the bat by being open with

1051
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: it in your profile of whatever dating site you're using.

1052
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: But if you're going out to have fun, who cares,

1053
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: it's none of that business. Yeah, you can have two profiles,

1054
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: my dating for a fun ROMP profile with no kids,

1055
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: and then your relationship profile with kids. Mom, what do

1056
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: you think of me? And Donald's pop psychology? Are we

1057
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: doing a good job? You're terrific. I wouldn't add anything. Oh,

1058
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: there you go. I never in a million years thought

1059
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: I would get dating advice from the Zach Breath. Well,

1060
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: we give great advice, and we we're just PhD approved

1061
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: by my mom to give counseling. So there you go, Joel.

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00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: Joel's out on the dating market. Do you have any

1063
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: tips for um? No? Thatll sounded really good to me.

1064
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: Just being honest and upfront and you know, have fun.

1065
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: Dating should be fun. So Joel's about to go on

1066
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: two dates in front of a lot lot of people

1067
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: the live show. Christie, are you going to join us

1068
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: for the live show? I got my ticket? I'm mom?

1069
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: Are you joining us from the live show? Do you

1070
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: even know about it? Absolutely? All right, Friday, everyone listens.

1071
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: A mom doesn't know about the live show? I get

1072
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: your mom on board. Donald, Now, mom, do you do

1073
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: you still listen regularly? Be honest, it's okay if you're

1074
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: not fully up to date, listen intermittently. Okay, Well, I

1075
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: want to tell you something. When Donald and I started

1076
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: this podcast, Chrissy, we made a joke saying a handful

1077
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: of Scrubs fans to listen and maybe our moms. Turns

1078
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: out both of our moms have checked out for the

1079
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: long haul. It's become a global sensation. But our mom's

1080
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: then know you well enough that this is not exciting

1081
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: for them. But for us, it's like we're getting to

1082
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: know you and like know who you are. It's oh

1083
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: my gosh, it's fascinating. And I was just you know,

1084
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: I'm such a diehard that everybody comes on here and

1085
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: they say, oh, I don't like season nine. I liked it. Subs,

1086
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. When's the last time

1087
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: you watch season nine? Well? And how many times? And

1088
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: how many times did you watch season? More importantly, Chrissy,

1089
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: what are your feelings on the soundboard? You are you

1090
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: pro sound no soundboard? You are no soundboard? Christie? No

1091
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: let her answer no? Ye? What are your thoughts on

1092
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: you like it? Yes? A lot of people do. Casey,

1093
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on the soundboard? Oh? Well, that

1094
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: was me. I was talking about the soundboard. You asked

1095
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: for it. You asked for it. Where are you going?

1096
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: You asked? Ohh no, he has to go get mom.

1097
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: This is a new thing. He likes to bring Casey

1098
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: on the show multiple times. You know what it is.

1099
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: He's so obsessed with his wife that he can't spend

1100
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: an hour away from her, so we have to go

1101
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: get her. I'm looking for I want you, and she's

1102
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: I know both women and both single women are like,

1103
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: that's what I want. Where is he go? He's he literally, mom,

1104
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: he can't do an hour podcast. I'm going to get

1105
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: Casey saying stuff. And so now he's using the soundboard.

1106
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: He got his mom and a collar on, and he's

1107
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: saying some really mean things. Well, I don't know, no

1108
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: what No, I assure you he is not Casey. He's

1109
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: just he's being crazy. Yes, he is. We know that

1110
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: he is. What I'm like, what is the soundboard that? No, Casey,

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01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: I recorded this. Listen, okay, Zacha love you, Zacha love you, Zach,

1112
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: I love you, and I sometimes play it when I

1113
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: feel I need to hear hear your voice. Dude, do

1114
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: my show as you should, let her hear. Oh, and

1115
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: here's Donald wu tank forever. And here's Donald. Here's the

1116
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: other one. Do or do not? There is no try.

1117
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: Oh and here's Donald's favorite sound Casey. Oh god, he

1118
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: come on, Casey, with all due respect, we got to

1119
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: wrap the show up. I'm not I'm not the one

1120
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: I know your husband who it is obsessed with you?

1121
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: Howd you go get you when it's in here? Now?

1122
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: My good ZAA love you? No, no, I love that woman.

1123
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: I love that woman for the listeners. I love that one.

1124
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: That was not that last one was not the board listeners.

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01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: That was her. Hey, Donald, I gotta tell you while

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01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: you're getting Casey and I mean, I said to the audience,

1127
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: who and my mom would go, God, this guy is

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01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: so obsessed with his wife he can't be without her

1129
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: for an hour, And both single women went, that's what

1130
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: I want. I feel husband material. I want. I want

1131
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: a relationship that's like Turk and Carla. You know they're

1132
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: just so real another they're so in love. But then

1133
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: I also love how JD and Elliott. He says at

1134
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: the end, Elliott, you're my dream woman love. Yeah. Well,

1135
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: I mean for that to happen, you gotta be either

1136
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: Turk or Carla. You know what relationships like that are

1137
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: on television. The real relationships are going to have ups

1138
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: and down. Turkey call and never really had ups and downs? Man,

1139
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 1: there they're ups and down. Was what what are we

1140
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 1: gonna name? Is he? You know what I mean? Or

1141
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: you know, like television relationships are meant to be just that,

1142
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: to uplift you and to want you to experience love

1143
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: like that. But you know what about I mean Bill Lawrence,

1144
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: I would say to his credit, I would say, he

1145
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 1: put in storylines about divorced people, and now he has

1146
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: ted Lasso and and and I think those things are

1147
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: important too, because when you're watching things, you kind of

1148
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: want to see scenarios that play out that you you know,

1149
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: what would you do in that situation or who's you know,

1150
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: But on TV, it just seems like they always end

1151
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 1: up you know, it always ends up the right way

1152
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: on television. You know, that's the that's the only thing.

1153
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: Like me personally, I wanted to I wanted movie. I

1154
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: wanted to be in relationships like in the movies I

1155
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: saw like sixteen Candles and or The Breakfast Club and

1156
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: or you know, those were ideal to me. And I

1157
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: tried really hard, over and over again to find that.

1158
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you something right now, it's only

1159
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: in the movies, man like. And then if I found

1160
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: something that was close to it, I really didn't want it.

1161
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: You know, all the movies don't always reflect how difficult

1162
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: it is. And how much work a healthy relationship takes.

1163
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: It's a lot of work. So what you see me

1164
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: and my wife do is I mean, it's our stick

1165
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: and we we've perfected it. But you know, I want

1166
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: all the listeners out there to know that you get

1167
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 1: the show. You know what I mean? Yeah, but you

1168
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: are I will say this about you. Of course you're

1169
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 1: a normal couple that go through your hard times in

1170
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: your arguments, but I will say that you are a

1171
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: very doting, loving husband. You give her a lot of love. Yeah.

1172
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: Have you seen my wife? Yeah, she's a knockout. Yeah,

1173
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying, man, all right, appreciate that. I don't appreciate it.

1174
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: We'll get Florence on here going, don't I love you? Um?

1175
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: All right, guys, Chrissy, thank you for coming on. We

1176
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. And good luck with your with with

1177
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: all that's going on in your life. Thank you so much. This,

1178
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: like I said, it was a dream come true. And

1179
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: good luck to you. I guess I'll see at the

1180
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: live show. So excited. Listen if you if you can

1181
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:25,919
Speaker 1: get on the chat or if you want to shout

1182
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: out Joel or something like that, do it. Maybe we'll

1183
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: maybe we'll get you on a live show too. Well,

1184
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: we don't know, we don't know. Oh my gosh, Oh

1185
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 1: all right, Christy, thank you, I love you, Bye guys,

1186
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: Bye bye hie. Here's the take care. Um. Well that's

1187
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: our show, guys, um Um, don't forget to pick up

1188
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: the falling downtime. If you're someone who's going through a

1189
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: divorce and need to talk to your children, or if

1190
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: someone in your life is going through that situation, it's

1191
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: available on Amazon. And my mom's other book about adoption

1192
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: if if you're have an adopted child as a beautiful,

1193
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: beutiful book, Um, the addresses the subject of the birth

1194
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: mother to the child, and that's called The Mulbray Bird,

1195
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 1: also available on Amazon. Mom, did you have fun? I

1196
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: had a lot of fun. Thank you for giving me chance.

1197
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: It was terrific. Well, I love you very much. I

1198
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: love you too. The live show and I love you

1199
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 1: Donald um and everyone, so please join us. Our next

1200
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: show is the live show. We'll be watching my quarantine,

1201
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 1: all sorts of fun, all sorts of adventures. You'll be

1202
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: seeing us with our new fancy webcams that that we bought,

1203
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: and um lots of guest appearances and fun and laughter,

1204
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 1: Right Tank, forever, all right, count us out, Donald six seven,

1205
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 1: eight stories about show we made, about a bunch of

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01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: doctor nurses, and stories so here