1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Beyond the Beauty is a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: I'm Your Host Bobby Brown. I first met Mickey Drexler. 3 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 1: I don't even know how many years ago, because I 4 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: feel like I've known him my whole life, and it 5 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: was really loved first sight. The second time my life 6 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: I felt love at first sight. One was my husband's. 7 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: Second was Mickey saw him across a crowded room at 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: a fundraiser and we bonded instantly. What I loved about 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: him is he is so creative. He is just so practical, 10 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: and he's so interesting and nice, and he doesn't even 11 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: realize how good he is at everything he does. He's 12 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: very humble. So Mickey Drexler is known for so many things. 13 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: He was originally the president of Ann Taylor and then 14 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: he went to The Gap in the early eighties. Until 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: two thousand's he was the president and then the CEO 16 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: of The Gap. And he's also the I that transformed 17 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: Jay Crew into one of the most popular brands, but 18 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: not just most popular. He really made it like this 19 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: cool hip brand that everyone wanted a piece of. Even 20 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 1: Michelle Obama wore Jay Crew on the inauguration. He walked 21 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: away in two thousand and seventeen right after I did, 22 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: so we really bonded on that. But here's a guy 23 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: that launched gap kids Old Navy made well and he's 24 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: just hasn't slowed down. He's still as engaged and excited 25 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: as he was when he was younger. Here's my conversation 26 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: with Nicky Drexler. First of all, I'm really happy because 27 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: whenever I get a chance to be with Mickey, I 28 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: always leave a better person. Honestly, you are like you know, 29 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: you're loved and but you're also so real, and you 30 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: kind of taught me how to do both of those 31 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: things really well. Well. I appreciate that, and that's a 32 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: great compliment. And the first time I met you, and 33 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: we've told the story before and it's not doesn't mean 34 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: to be name dropping, but it was, we were in 35 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: Bon Jovi's backyard and it was a fundraiser for President Obama, 36 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: right it was. There was a lot of well known people, 37 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: but I sat at one table and I looked across 38 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: the room. We were not at the same table, and 39 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: I said to my husband, I'll be right back, and 40 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,679 Speaker 1: I ran over, introduced myself and you said, great, let's 41 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: have lunch. Tuesday and we did. That's it, and that 42 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: was the beginning. It was. It was the beginning. Good friends, 43 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: close friends. And you've always been my mentor, my business 44 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: role model. I talked about in every podcast. When I 45 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: left Bobby Brown Cosmetics, you were my first phone call 46 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: and you were so amazing and you called me every 47 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: single day to see how I was. I didn't know 48 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: that you were going through your own junk at the time, 49 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: but we all have junk in life, right. It's never 50 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: smooth sailing, no, But you have done so many different 51 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: things and reinvented yourself and gotten to the top of 52 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: everything you're doing. You know, make what drives you? You know? 53 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: I I start from a birth two now I think 54 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: about that because a lot of people say, what what 55 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: drives you? Had you get here? What do you do? 56 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: I think a lot of it was growing up. Obviously, 57 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: you can't answer this question without what your childhood was like. 58 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: And I had a mom who was not healthy in 59 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: that well for a number of years until she passed 60 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: away and she was died of cancer. And you were sixteen. 61 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: I was sixteen, and in those days was a secret 62 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: when I was two years old and lived with it 63 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: and you know, in the neighborhood in the Bronx. She 64 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: had her three sisters and my cousins and uncle's and 65 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: aunt's close by, and I think that helped me a 66 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: lot in my life. I think my dad had a 67 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: lot to do with what drove me because he never 68 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: got to be what he wanted to be. And he 69 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: shared it in the sense of he wanted to be 70 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: a boss, he wanted to be successful. He had a 71 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: lot of wishes and dreams, but he was not capable 72 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: of achieving that. It took me many years to face 73 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: the reality of the real dad and what I wanted 74 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: him to be. But I think that had a lot 75 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: to do with wanting to get out of the Bronx, 76 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: be successful, move to Manhattan, which when I was a 77 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: kid was always a big deal. Anyone who lived there 78 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: was successful, so to speak. But I spent my childhood 79 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: years growing up in the Bronx and always worked hard. 80 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: My dad, on a positive note, always pushed me to work, 81 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: pushed me to get up early. For a lot of 82 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: I could never figure out the reasons. You know, the 83 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: drive came from within me to get out, be successful, 84 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: be someone who he wasn't, and it was I guess 85 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: it was subtle or you know, when you get older, 86 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: you don't know these things. But you have to be 87 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: proud of yourself. I mean, Mickey, you have I know 88 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: we've never discussed this, but you have to be grateful 89 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: and who you became that no one hand to do anything. 90 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: You became this guy. Well, you know, I never look 91 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: at it like that, and I would be. I don't 92 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: know if I'd be more grateful if I did. Every 93 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: day I get up trying to go through my life 94 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: and my job trying to do better. So right now 95 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: I'm involved in a couple of things, and I treat 96 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: it like I haven't done what I've done in a sense. 97 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: I don't feel that way, and I don't like people 98 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: who feel that way in a way. I really like 99 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: people who are humble, who never forget where they're from ever. 100 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: And this is coming from a guy who's had like 101 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: major success. I mean, there was not many more places 102 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: for you to go, and yet every job you kind 103 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: of took it to the next level. I mean, Jay 104 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: crew turned that place around, had probably you know, the 105 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: most fun doing that. I'm guessing you know what I 106 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: had most fun doing, and and it's ironic because I 107 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: started Old Navy in nineteen ninety four, named it after 108 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: a bar in Paris which I get a kick out of. 109 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: And Made Well I started that in two thousand and 110 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: four or five, and I bought the name. It was 111 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: a trademark I bought and I fell in love with it. 112 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: The most fun is kind of starting it. Fixing it 113 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: is fun ish, so J Crew and Gap fixed and 114 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: you know, grew them dramatically, But starting something from scratch 115 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: that's like just a notion you have in hindsight, is 116 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: really interesting. And right now I'm involved in alex Mill 117 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: where I am chairman kind of unofficial chairman. My son 118 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: started the business in two thousand twelve and it was 119 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: men's only. It was wholesale only. One of the very 120 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: difficult things in life, if you do like what I've 121 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: done in a sense, being busy, et cetera, being very 122 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: very engaged is stepping down and all of a sudden 123 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: you're there and you're not the boss anymore. There's no 124 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: one to really boss around, you're not really involved in businesses, uh, 125 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: And it's an incredibly difficult adjustment. So my first year 126 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: or so out of ja cru and Made Well was 127 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: extremely difficult. But then I decided based on our other 128 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: co founder, Sam Sack. He left my old company, very 129 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: talented guy who I worked with the fifteen years, and 130 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: when he left, I put him in Alex my son 131 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: Alex together and I decided to become the chief Kibotzer. 132 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: You know, they called me chairman sometimes, but pivots I'm there. 133 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: I think about it in hindsight, go back and think 134 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: about early days of any company. The difference now, Old 135 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: Navy had the bank of of Gap Corporation, and you 136 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: never really thought about all that money was coming from. Sometimes. 137 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: I think a lot of startups today also don't think 138 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: of where all that money is coming from. But you know, 139 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: having been part of building the Gap bank, so to speak, 140 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: Gap Corporation funded it, made well. J Crew funded it, 141 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: and now we're funding it. It's very different when every 142 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: dollar you spend is your own dollar, and it's so 143 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: that's kind of a new experience for Alex and myself. 144 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: It's so it's very different. But I'm having a lot 145 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: of fun. Man. I mean, I don't know about you, 146 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 1: but I love watching The Journey because I think it 147 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: is like what could be possible, and it's a different 148 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: world out there, like the world as we know it 149 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: is gone. I mean I saw that when you guys 150 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: did that last party. I saw it on Instagram unfold. 151 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: I mean years ago. We never would have seen all 152 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 1: of that until women's were daily the next day. If 153 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: I had fomo fear of missing out. You know, it 154 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: was like all these cool people came and you seem 155 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: so happy and age. You don't think you'll ever start 156 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: another business after Alex mill a creative mind never ever stops. 157 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: And I was saying before this started that you know, 158 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: you never you can't control creativity and ideas. It never rests. 159 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: But right now I'm I think it's all under control. 160 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: And I really love this. It's so early stages and 161 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: watching it grow or watching us do what we're doing. No, 162 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: I don't right now, I'm not thinking about it, frankly, 163 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: but you feel you feel like your cup is full, 164 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: because I know the feeling. When I left Bobby Brown Cosmetics, 165 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: I was like, first all of my when I went 166 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: down in that elevator, all of my stress was gone. 167 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: But then you wake up and you're like, what am 168 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: I doing? And if I didn't pick up the phone 169 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: and call people, nothing would happen. So I activated myself 170 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: out of a funk. I think what you describe we 171 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: all go through, whether people talk about it or not, 172 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: one of the most difficult things in your life once 173 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: you stop, after your whole life being engaged, involved building, 174 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: being creative, and not not being a bureaucrat, because maybe 175 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: bureaucrats are different. But when you're a creator and when 176 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: you're a business manager or when you build something, it's 177 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: so personal. And then I felt the same way I got. 178 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: I got depressed when I left. What am I going 179 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: to do? And so on and so forth, And you know, 180 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: I thank I thank my son for starting this thing 181 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 1: in two thousand and twelve, and you know, watching it 182 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 1: grow very slowly, and it's just and and most startups 183 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 1: take a long time. You know, it took us well, 184 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: Old Navy was fast, it was really fast, but you 185 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: know Madewell took six or seven years to catch on 186 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: to make a profit, so on and so forth. And 187 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: I had breakfast today with a really terrific guy who 188 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: started a company with his team, and it there on 189 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: the ninth year. And you know, you're always learning. And 190 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: if anyone doesn't learn every day of their life, then 191 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 1: they're not doing their job well anyway, or they're just disengaged. 192 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 1: But it's a hugely difficult adjustment when you leave. And uh. 193 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: And then I was kind of quote unquote advisor. And 194 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: I'm not used to advising people because they don't have 195 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: to listen. And what you know is right, and by 196 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: the way, so much of its intuitive. And I always 197 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: think about intuitive and instinct and good judgment. You don't 198 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: do what you've done without that, And I don't they 199 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 1: don't teach it in school. They don't teach the importance 200 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 1: of it in school. In fact, this little class, and 201 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: I said, everything you will not learn in school. You 202 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: don't learn most of these things in school, because who's 203 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: going to teach you real life experience and the ability 204 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: to develop confidence in your own thinking. So I always 205 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: tell younger people today, and they're not that confident about things. 206 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 1: I think you're thinking it it is. It's about your 207 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: boss you like or you don't like. It's about why 208 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: do so many big shots in the world not impress you? 209 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: That's life? And do you have any desire to actually 210 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: become a professor a name that you are called, by 211 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: the way, professor? So no, uh, no, I love teaching 212 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: or chatting with young people. Uh, And I love being 213 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: a contrarian and I will say things to them that 214 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: no one else is going to say. And I went 215 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: through my own career step by step, you know, I 216 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: left school. My first day at Bloomingdale's, I went in 217 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: and you know, storry eyed and this, that and the 218 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: other thing, And within X amount of time I realized 219 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: a few things about the world, although I did not 220 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: realize it. I realized that most people are there because 221 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: they want to keep their jobs. I learned that big 222 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: corporations are by and large not creative because people are 223 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: afraid to make decisions, even the CEOs. You know, you 224 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: get those huge salaries, you get the private jet that 225 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: usually comes with the job. Now, I say that other 226 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: than Apple, where I was on the board for sixteen years, 227 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: Steve Jobs was not that way. Was creative, took risks 228 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: and moved it. But I always admired and kind of 229 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: idolized Steve. What did you learn from Steve Jobs? Well, 230 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: what I saw in Steve, and I've seen a lot 231 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: of people who do what he does, is that you 232 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: never really rest easy in those kinds of jobs. And 233 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: why would he yes, because he built one of the 234 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: great great companies in the world to this day. What 235 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: I learned is, uh, he was willing to take risks. 236 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: He followed his judgment and his instinct in an enormous way. 237 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: He loved product. And I say today, you know what 238 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: he did at the board meetings was he had ten 239 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: or twelve products always over it up in a gray cloth, 240 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: and it started and ended their product and marketing of 241 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: and merchandizing of environment of creates huge success if the 242 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: product is good. Now I see today doesn't always happen 243 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: that way because a lot of marketing it kind of 244 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: makes up for sometimes what I consider a lack of product. 245 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: But I learned from Steve kind of what I learned 246 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: from my own experiences. Give him a best seller, give 247 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: him a cool item, give him this, give him that, 248 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: and then follow your instinct. In a sense, Now, your 249 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: instinct is based on lots of knowledge and history. It's 250 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: not like, oh, out of the air, you have an 251 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: instinct or an intuition. You you you gather that over time. 252 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: But and Steve went through all this with a tremendous 253 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: personal challenge on his health. So I always admired that. 254 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: And what was it like building the first ever Apple 255 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: store with Steve. I worked with Steve and what happened 256 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: is I I said no to him for a year. 257 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: He wanted me to join his board, and I personally 258 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: don't love public boards. Now, it was a stupid decision 259 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: because Steve is Steve and he's the most seductive human 260 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: being I've ever met. So over the year, we'd be friends, 261 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: we'd be this. Finally came to me one day and said, 262 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: you joined the Apple board, I will join the Gap board. 263 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: I said, we have a D on the Gap board 264 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: and they're all my buddies and friends. But a lot 265 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: of family, a lot of connections, a lot of this. 266 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: And there's Steve. He creates problems, he creates arguments. I 267 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: love that about him. So I joined the board at Apple. 268 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: He had a vision. He wanted to do a store. 269 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: You know, I was in the direct business now they 270 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: call it direct the consumer. I suggested, because we did 271 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: this a gap, build a store inside a warehouse. He 272 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: did that. We walked through the first store. It was busy, 273 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: it was too much going on. It wasn't the right store. Now, 274 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: how do you know that? There's no book you learn 275 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: in that in So we came down to this is 276 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: what it should look like, simple kind of white showing product, 277 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: and yeah, we did it. I felt I worked for him, 278 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: and I didn't mind working for him. You know, when 279 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: he call you wake me up, Steve, I'm sleeping call 280 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: me in the morning, I get his wake up call. 281 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: But that was okay. I really so admired him. You know, 282 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: you read a lot about Steve, but I knew him 283 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: well and a special man, and I get very sad 284 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: thinking about him not being here anymore. Was he a hugger? 285 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: Like did he greet you and hug You know, he 286 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: wasn't a schmoozy guy. He wasn't a hugger unless he 287 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: was on his I want something then he was seductive. 288 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: This last five years of his life, he was battling 289 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: a health issue and he built. He did some of 290 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: the greatest things that anyone could do under those circumstances. Well, 291 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: you've had such a career make do you think you 292 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: can even say what you're most proud of? More so, 293 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: it's what people really say. And I get so many 294 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: nice compliments and things from people who I worked with 295 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: over the decades, and that really is you know, the 296 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: Yiddish term Cavell. I, well, I don't know if they're 297 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: listening this will know the word. But you know, it 298 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: makes me feel really good that people remember and they're 299 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: so nice about it. And uh and and if I 300 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: impacted people's lives, that's probably the thing I'm most proud of. 301 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: And I love the story with you and Andy Spade 302 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: that you went out for breakfast and then you saw 303 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: this store on the side of the road. The store. Yeah, well, 304 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: Andy is a brilliant creative. We had coffee whatever, and 305 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: then we're schmoozing and he said something about there's a 306 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: store we should take. So Andy says, you should take 307 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: the store. I said, the real estate group keep saying 308 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: it's not good enough. Is a bar in there? You 309 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: got to take the bar out. So you know that 310 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: we opened so many stores. I never bothered taking the 311 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: ten minute drive downtown to see the store. So Andy 312 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: and I go to the store. We look at the 313 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: liquor store and I say, this is the coolest store 314 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: in the world, and the bar makes it cool. We 315 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: signed the lease that week. We said just do it. 316 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: And it weren't for Andy saying it, I never would 317 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: have thought about it, and it changed the whole nature 318 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: of the men's business. At Jay Crew, it became an 319 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: inspirational factor in driving men's product to where it went. 320 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: It was a fantastic store. It was fun, it was personal, 321 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: and it put us on the map. And who are 322 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: you wearing? Now? Who's jacket? Is that the truth? Yeah? 323 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: I had on an alex Mill jacket. But we don't 324 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: do structured We don't do that. By the way, we're 325 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: not going to do them. I always say we're an 326 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: alex Mill, we're obsoleteing blazers. We have work jackets and 327 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: we have light jackets, totally unstructured. But there's something in between. 328 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: Because the work jacket that I have that you know, 329 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: the girlfriend and law Kim stole from me and looks 330 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: so good at it's not a jacket I could come 331 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: into like the Four Seasons with like I don't want to, 332 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: but I don't want to structure jacket. We think we're 333 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: writing you obituary to structured jacket. We're trying, but structure 334 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: makes a woman look a little thinner than a big giant. Exactly. 335 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: I have a uniform, and we have uniforms at alex Mill. 336 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: It's a Nermez and I had all my jackets made 337 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: there and suits made there which I rarely wear. Are 338 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: they a step above? I don't know anything about the 339 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: men's but this way, I like classic timeless for men. 340 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: I like that for women too, But yeah, and I 341 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: always liked it in the businesses that I was involved with. 342 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: Rmez is classic and timeless for me. Whether the lapel 343 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: is a wide or thin, it's perfect. Now these are 344 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: very expensive, so to speak. But and I'm a value person. 345 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: I live in nineteen six except when it comes to 346 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: a mess then so that's her no, But I think 347 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: that's important. So what makes it better than off the 348 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: rack is that the fabric, is that the cut, It's both. 349 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: It's also the detail. It's all these things that a 350 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: product that make a difference. It doesn't have to be 351 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: an expensive product, you know, for us, if you look 352 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: at alex mill or other companies I've been involved with, 353 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: there's a detail that geez, you say, isn't that intelligent? 354 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: I was in Paris, not at the fashion shows because 355 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: I don't go. I don't get invited, but I happen 356 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: to be there during fashion week because I was in 357 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: Germany for another reason. And I just shop stores all 358 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: day in Paris, and I came back. I did the 359 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: same thing here. There's too much clothes out there, not 360 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: enough with a little detail that you find. Wow, look 361 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: at that. How smart is that? I found one shop 362 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: and one brand. I fell madly in the Paris In Paris, well, 363 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: I'm going next week. You'll have to give me that 364 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: tell you after. And they have a red thread, And 365 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: I said, isn't that intelligent? You know, it makes a difference, 366 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: but it doesn't compromise this And I like classics that 367 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,959 Speaker 1: last forever, not boring lassics. Yeah. Well, I love your 368 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: style because you're also wearing jeans like you're wearing like 369 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: every day you are blue jeans. Well I do. I 370 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,959 Speaker 1: I sometimes try in khakis. And I hate to say it, 371 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: but khakis on men, they make you look like a 372 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: khaki guy. Well, my husband looks great in khakis because 373 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: he gets them kind of tailored. Well, that's key. By 374 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: the way, the fit of everything is so whose jeans 375 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,959 Speaker 1: are those? They are Wallace and Barnes where I grew up. 376 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: By the way, I never heard of wallaceon Barrow. You didn't, Well, 377 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: you never would. Small brand we started years ago and 378 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 1: I didn't name it It's a great name. Remember Jenna said, 379 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 1: where were you born? What were the streets? We're trying 380 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: to name a little upscale brand of Jay Crew. So 381 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: they're Wallace and Barnes jeans. I still wear them in 382 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: all fairness. Mary, my great friend who does Maidewell and 383 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: Jake Genes that kind of custom issue. And Mary, I'm 384 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: waiting for my next livery on our new custom she 385 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: changed the new ones of fit. So if this doesn't 386 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 1: make the cut, tell her I've said it on a 387 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 1: on a podcast. Where are my new Wallace and Born jeans? Mary? Okay? Good? 388 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: Now you just have this, like, besides your retail expertise 389 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: and your you know, godfather nous, your style has so 390 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: created a much more relaxed but polished for all the guys. 391 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I got four men that has shopped really 392 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: what you have created so and now they're all converted 393 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: over to Alex Mills, which is really cool. You know 394 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: one thing that my dad I didn't say. You know, 395 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 1: I always asked musicians that their parents play music, singers, artists. 396 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: My dad, through thick and thin, and he wasn't like 397 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: a guy who had money or anything. Was very well 398 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 1: dressed impeccably dressed. So is that the nature part of 399 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: one's life, nurture versus nature? I don't know, but you know, 400 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: we did go shopping twice a year through school. And 401 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 1: it's not how he picked it out, but I think 402 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: it was. You know, you grow up with certain things, 403 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: you know, you grow up with the good and the bad. Yeah, 404 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: it was important to him that you looked, that you 405 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: felt good in your Exactly. That's so cool. So we're 406 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: going to do a lightning round, which sometimes we do icebreakers, 407 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: but I didn't. We did not need an ice breaker. 408 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 1: What did you eat for breakfast today? I had avocado 409 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: toast with scrambled egg whites, and I tell them to 410 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,479 Speaker 1: cut the toast very thin, sliced very thin. Did you 411 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: go to my favorite friends restaurant for breakfast? Rose? Yeah? 412 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: I had breakfast there you and I've been there a 413 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: few times, so yes. And what's your favorite TV show? 414 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: Even though you were you were a guest on Breaking Bad? Yes, 415 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 1: right now, I don't have a favorite. You know. I 416 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: get home at the end of the day and I'm 417 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: I just kind of like, chill, Well, what does that mean? Chill? Like, 418 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: how do you chill? I know? You don't drink, so 419 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: you're not having a cocktail in a chair. How does 420 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: Mickey Drexler chill When Peggy, my wife has a series 421 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 1: like like Spy she was watching that night, I'd be there, 422 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: but I have a little a D D on everything, 423 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: so I can't really pay that much attention to it. 424 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: That's one of the things we share in comment. Yes, 425 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: so I'm sitting there, I'm going through the news. I'm 426 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: a news junkie. I have my iPad and I'm searching 427 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: the news. I do the daily mail, I do this, 428 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: that and the other thing. And if Peggy finds a 429 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: series she likes, I will join her on that wednes dinner. 430 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: Like what time you guys have dinner? We usually sixty 431 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: seven at home or that we eat home every night. Yeah, 432 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: and what's the last thing you bought? You know what 433 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: I bought? This is very funny to me about her 434 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: mez So for the last three years, I bought the 435 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: most beautiful I guess they jackets coats, but short ones. 436 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: I bought one last year and one two years ago. Anyway, 437 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: I bought a jacket for myself at him As yesterday. Nice. 438 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: What does your closet look like? It's over assorted now 439 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: with too many jackets, clothes will look the same. So 440 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,479 Speaker 1: there's a million white shirts or blue and white striped shirts. 441 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: Do you go through it? You know what it is 442 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: about clothes, and it's kind of objective. You never want 443 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: to throw anything that's wearable forever out. I gotta throw 444 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: things out or give them away because it's all stuff 445 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: that's still good today and in style. I love giving 446 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: things away here. By the way, my my youngest is 447 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: obsessed with you since we have been to your house 448 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: and he's seen every single thing. He just wants to 449 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: follow you around and see what your brain does. And 450 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 1: he also is really into Alex Mills. He thinks the 451 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: creativity there. You know, the creative process is a really 452 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: interesting one and I think it's helpful to all young 453 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: people to see how it really works. It doesn't work 454 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: the way they think it never does. I love having 455 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 1: young people in my office, even like the interns that 456 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: never would have had that opportunity, and they just leave 457 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: after the summer and they're like, I can't even believe 458 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: that I got to watch this. Well, Mickey, as always, 459 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: it's so good to see you and I'm glad that 460 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,719 Speaker 1: you are so happy, and please don't answer my calls 461 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: when I call you when you're in yoga. Okay, okay, 462 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: I can't help. I love you, Love you. For more 463 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: podcasts from I heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, 464 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.