1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks. Presented by 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 1: Castro alleged DJ. Bucky back with you, Buck. How you 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: doing man, man, I'm great. DJ. This time of year 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: is always fun. It's fun for a few different reasons. One, 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: we're in the championship round of the NFL Playoffs and 7 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: we have plenty of time to talk about that. We'll 8 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: talk about more of that later in the week. Um 9 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: to preview the a f C. In the NFC championship games, 10 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: you can't see the Chiefs and the Buffalo Bills, the 11 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers and the Tampa Bay Bucks. But then 12 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl is is right up on us. And 13 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: with the announcements of all the underclassman declaring getting ready 14 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: for the Senior Bowl and the players that are participating 15 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: in that, it is really time to start talking about 16 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: the draft and the process and everything that goes into 17 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: the final evaluations and dealing with some of the obstacles 18 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: that the scouts will have to deal with this this 19 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: offseason when it comes to it. Yeah, I know, it's 20 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: a fun time here. I'm getting ready to turn in 21 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: a mock draft. I've got the top fifty that will 22 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: be coming out next week, I believe, So working on 23 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: all that, just cranking on those guys. I want to 24 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: get to, UH, A couple of those guys I've seen 25 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: I thought, were you know, interesting conversations which we can 26 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: have a little bit later on on the pod. I 27 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: want to talk about a couple of these new hires, 28 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: specifically Robert Soloit to the Jets, Arthur Smith to the Falcons, 29 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: what we think of those UM. But as we get 30 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 1: started here, I think the big news for the week, 31 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: especially for those interested in scouting UM. As two former scouts, 32 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 1: I think this is UH is huge news the fact 33 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,639 Speaker 1: that the NFL Scouting Combine is not going to happen 34 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: and its standard traditional format gonna be no on field workouts, 35 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: nothing like that. Uh. Looks like players will be getting 36 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: their medicals regionally at hospitals and then it's gonna be 37 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: all pro days. So the good news is I know, look, 38 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: it's it's it's a bummer for us who cover it, 39 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: and it's a big event for us at NFL network. UM. 40 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: But the good side of it is is that these 41 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,559 Speaker 1: pro days are gonna be huge and we're gonna be 42 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: covering a ton of them. In the past, I think 43 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: we've done just you know, two, three, four pro days. 44 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: You can expect we're gonna be covering a lot more 45 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: of those, where you and these guys are all gonna 46 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: work out. How many times we we cover these pro 47 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: days they worked out at the combine. They don't do 48 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: anything at their pro day. These pro days, you're gonna 49 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: see all those guys. So that's gonna be fun. Yeah, 50 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: So it upstanding a few different ways. And so let's 51 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: go back and kind of sequence this out about the 52 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: combine and why it really really matters. And so for 53 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: everyone who is kind of known about the combine, you've 54 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: always heard people on the inside talk about the most 55 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: important part of the combine, the medical part and the 56 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: interviews and being able to sit there in person and 57 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: have those interviews really really matter because it's the first 58 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: time in the process that coaches are involved. The general 59 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: manager sits opposite a top prospect, and then the area 60 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: and national scouts are also there. Without the the physical combine, 61 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: it changes the dynamics a little bit because everything is virtual, 62 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: and when you're living in a virtual world, you also 63 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: have to combine the fact that area scouts have not 64 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: really done school calls like they have in the past, 65 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: and so the deep dive, the background checks, the deep digging, 66 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: potentially you could have more gaps in the process than 67 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 1: we've ever had before. And so without the combine to 68 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: really hold some prospects feet to the fire for some 69 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: of the things that may have happened in the past. 70 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: I think this is one where scouts have to really 71 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: really have contacts in the school to be able to 72 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: ask the questions that are necessary so you can tell 73 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: if a guy as a culture or fit for your team. Yeah, 74 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: I feel like it's gonna be kind of speed dating, right, 75 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: You're not gonna get a chance to have the in 76 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: depth knowledge that maybe you would have had in other years. 77 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: But I was talking to a GM last night and 78 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: he brought up a great point. He said, you know what, 79 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: looking back on last year's draft for this team specifically, 80 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: he said, I think it's the best draft that we've 81 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: had in a long time. And he said the reason 82 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: is because we didn't get caught up in all the fluff. 83 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: There wasn't as much group think because people weren't pouling 84 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: around at pro days last year. Uh, you know because 85 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: right after the combines when everything is shut down, And 86 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: he said, we we put more emphasis on the tape 87 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: last year than we ever have in the evaluation process, 88 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: and it said the results kind of spoke for themselves. 89 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: And he said, and another thing is like when you 90 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: get the draft a, you don't have you're all on zoom, right. 91 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: They weren't together. So he said, you don't have you know, 92 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: a special teams coach or a coordinator coming up and 93 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: lobbying for this guy or that guy, are complaining we 94 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: don't have this or the other. You don't have even 95 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: like an owner that's getting in your ear and is 96 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: pressing you on certain things. He's like, we got a 97 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: chance to just you know, kind of be peaceful and 98 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: kind of had our list and it was just very calm, 99 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: and we just ticked off the list one after another 100 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: based off what we saw on the tape and end 101 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: up having one of your best drafts. So it's funny 102 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: that you mentioned it, right, Um, we have talked about 103 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: like some things that happened during the pandemic that would 104 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: continue to stay. And one of the benefits of the 105 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: pandemic had been how scouting staffs had been able to 106 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: work from a virtual standpoint zoom meetings, doing things that way, 107 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: kind of being independent contractors in terms of can sure 108 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: we look at the tape, but you're not influenced what 109 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: as I say by the room because you know DJ 110 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: when we're sitting there for people who don't know. In 111 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: in the old world, pre pandemic scouts would get together 112 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: a few times a year. Everyone would be in there 113 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: and they would be reading their reports in front of 114 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: their peers and decision making decision makers, and sometimes when 115 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: you're presenting, you can feel the weight of the room, 116 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: either with you or against you, and sometimes it can 117 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: make you change. Maybe the adjectives that you use in 118 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: describing a player were virtually you don't feel that same 119 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: sense everyone is on you, but it's it's not the 120 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: peer pressure, and so we're comfortable. It's more comfortable you 121 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: dial in. You basically read the report as it's written. 122 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: It's written as you saw the player off the tape, 123 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: and not influenced by a I was in a room 124 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: and I had a scalt from the Ravens, the Eagles, UH, 125 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: the Washington football team. Everyone kind of chiming in and 126 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: so it's your real evaluation, and so I do believe 127 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: there is something that is positive to going about it. 128 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: And because I grew up in a system where it 129 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: was all the tape and we did all of that 130 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: tape work, I'm very very comfortable in that world. And 131 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: I think what others are seeing. Hey, man, I'm gonna 132 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: trust the tape and I'm not going to worry about 133 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: all of the other stuff that comes about it. And 134 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: I think for you, I would always like to ask 135 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: you because in Baltimore, I was always say, like, you, 136 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: guys didn't really pay a lot of attention to pro 137 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: days and numbers and workouts and those things. So how 138 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: do you think scouts they were rooting that kind of system. 139 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: We're fair in this new world of scouting and evaluating. Yeah, 140 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: it's it's interesting. I mean sometimes we would celebrate when 141 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: guys didn't have a good pro day because like, oh, great, 142 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna get a little value on this player. He's 143 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: a good player, man, Um, So you're gonna rely more 144 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: on that on that game speed and tape speed versus 145 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: the time speed. And the other thing is gonna be 146 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: fascinating is that you're gonna have apples to oranges, you know, 147 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: with these with these times because the surfaces these guys 148 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 1: are gonna be running at are so different at all 149 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: these different campuses. So UM, I think those have have 150 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: long been kind of tiebreakers. Right, you have similar grades 151 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: on people. I always say the testing doesn't matter. It's 152 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: not everything, but it's not nothing. Um. If you have 153 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: close grades on on a couple of guys, that testing 154 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: can can leap frog GiB over another player. So UM, 155 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: it's gonna be it's gonna be challenging. And I think 156 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: you're gonna see teams go out the two different ways. 157 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: You're gonna see some teams be very conservative where they're 158 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: gonna want guys that played football in the fall. Um, 159 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: they're gonna want guys that they have no character questions on, 160 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: um whatsoever, and just keep it in the fairway, kind 161 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: of go with the double's philosophy. And there's gonna be 162 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: other teams are gonna be like, man, I'm getting a steal, 163 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: I'm getting a value. We've been able to you know, 164 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: as we say in scouting, we've been able to clean 165 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: this guy up a little bit based off of our 166 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: information who we talked to. UM, so we might be 167 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: getting you know, third, fourth, round picks. We're gonna be 168 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: getting guys who we think could be second round type 169 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: players because some of the teams will choose to be conservative. 170 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: It's gonna be I've likened it to a baseball draft 171 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: where you have a choice between the high upside high 172 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: school kids with the low floor or the low ceiling, 173 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: high floor college kids. It's gonna be like that in 174 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: the NFL draft this year. So two things, because you 175 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: prompted and I wrote these two things down. Um, you 176 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: talked about conservative or aggressive. So my question to you 177 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: is how do we handle the opt outs? How do 178 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: we handle the opt outs now that we don't have 179 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: the combine for them to make the big splash. How 180 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: do we handle it if they opted out and maybe 181 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: they do or they don't do the pro day or 182 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: private workouts like I think that is the challenge. I 183 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: think the opt outs can be a huge challenge because 184 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: you may not get all the verified information that we 185 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: were counting on when it came to the combine and ESTUF. Well, 186 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: let me let me tell you right now, what's going 187 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: on behind the scenes is these workout facilities are aggressively 188 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: send videos to teams and scouts and their sources with 189 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: teams and showing you, hey, I know this guy didn't 190 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: play last year. Check this out. Last year he played 191 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: at to twenty. Now he's a rocked up to twelve 192 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: and he is flying, Like watch him move around, watch 193 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: him work, and then you know how we're teams like 194 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: you feel like you got some insider information, Like man, okay, 195 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: everybody else is valuing this guy here, but he's actually 196 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: it should be up here because of the changes he's 197 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: made over the last year. And the thing that they 198 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: don't realize is that video is being sent to all 199 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: thirty two teams, so it's not like it's some kind 200 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: of proprietary U secret here. But but I do think 201 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: that that those facilities and those trainers this year. I've 202 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: always used them. I know you have to you call 203 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: them and try and get some scoop and some intelling guys. 204 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: Never been more important than it is now, particularly when 205 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: it comes to those opt out guys. So it's worth 206 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: worth their weight and goal. I mean, it's worth their 207 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: weight and goal. And just so uh fans understand, scouts 208 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: are forbidden from being able to go and really watch 209 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: those workouts in person. Like last I don't think the 210 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: league is Shane those rules like you can't necessarily go 211 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: and watch those guys work out or whatever. However, that 212 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: won't stop you from maybe contact and an intermediary from 213 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: going and getting some of this stuff and filming it 214 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: and sending into you whatever. I think you have to 215 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 1: be resourceful in that fact. I think the other thing 216 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: that will come out this year DJ, I think it 217 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 1: has to be um a complete conversation now with your 218 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: scouting staff and your coaching staff in terms of who 219 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: are we and what is our developmental plan? Because what 220 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: may also continue to UM exist is the lack of 221 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: off season workouts and O t a s. And so 222 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: if you don't have the ability to do those things, 223 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: and we're talking about a player that maybe hasn't played 224 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: fall of what is our plan for getting someone ready 225 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: to play in one without all of that other stuff? 226 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: And is this a situation where much like you talked 227 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: about in baseball, Hey, we're going to take this guy high, 228 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: but we know, let's temperate expectations on the outside for 229 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 1: how much this guy is going to contribute. Because what 230 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: we're going to do is we're going to use the 231 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: first half of the season to make sure that we're 232 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: teaching them to get him ready to play. So we 233 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: have a full on developmental program where he's coming before practice, 234 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: after practice, and we're basically using the first half of 235 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: the season as a red shirt program to getting ready 236 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: to play down the stretch. Because I think you have 237 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: to have that ability with the coaching staff. You guys 238 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: don have to be more invested because it's not gonna 239 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: be a finished product when he comes in because he 240 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: hasn't played, So some of the onus is on you 241 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: to get him ready to be able to play. And 242 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 1: we've seen Ricky's this year play in these situations where 243 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: they've been able to succeed. The only difference is some 244 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: of these guys win have played their final season of college. Yeah, 245 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: but I think this year is a great example. Right, 246 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: all these rookies, we thought, man, I don't know how 247 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: all these rookies gonna get on the field, how they're 248 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: gonna play, And we we've seen so many rookies played 249 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: great because the virtual learning right that was we were 250 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: sitting there going, when you can't get in a building, 251 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 1: you're not gonna get on the grass. How are these 252 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: guys gonna be ready to play? Well, it's a new 253 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: era and we've used technology with the virtual learning, and 254 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: a lot of these guys learned that way anyways, so 255 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: I think that has it's better for him. Yeah, exactly, 256 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: you're not staying a playbook. You're they're putting their sharing 257 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: their screen and showing you this is what you're doing 258 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: on this play I mean, this is what we want 259 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: from you here, and they're taking that in and they 260 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: learned that way. So I think for even the guys 261 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: that missed last season, the good news is I think 262 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: mentally they're gonna be able to get these guys up 263 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: to speed. Yeah, And I think it will forced a 264 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: couple of different things because we also saw this to DJ, 265 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 1: I feel like the best teams were teams that had 266 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: maybe a simpler nature to how they played and how 267 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: they got it done. And I think this will continue 268 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: to expose the great organizations to have great coaches slash 269 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: teachers versus those that don't have the ability to really 270 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: teach and put it together. Because we saw a couple 271 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,839 Speaker 1: of teams really really struggle with guys acclimating to new 272 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 1: systems or whatever. But then we saw other teams who 273 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: had new coaching staffs, like the Browns. Yeah, when double 274 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: digit games advanced in the playoffs without having the Ford 275 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 1: having so I think right now, man, look, you the 276 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: adapt or die. I think you have to adapt to 277 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: the new world that we're in, not only scouting but 278 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: also coaching, and you have to figure out a way 279 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: to get it done. But without a combine and with 280 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: a new landscape. When it comes to working out in 281 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: pro days, you have to get it. I mean, you 282 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: have to change, you have to figure it out. But 283 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: I think it puts a lot of on this on 284 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 1: the scouting directors to general managers to provide a level 285 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: of direction that enables their guys to kind of evaluate 286 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: the players and make sure that you get the boards 287 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: stacked the right way. I'm curious to see when something's 288 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: gonna come out on private workouts, right, I mean, I'm 289 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: assuming they won't allow them, would be my guests that 290 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: they're not gonna allow that. So these kids aren't gonna 291 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: have to do thirty two individual private workouts that it 292 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: will be limited to the pro day. But I don't know. 293 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: I haven't seen any information on that. What happened, what 294 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: after the pandemic have you can't do anything you couldn't 295 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: do it. You couldn't do private workouts last year, right, 296 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: and so so DJ because also, now let's think about 297 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: it from the other side of you're the agent. Hey, 298 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: I'll let you work out of the pro day, but 299 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: I'm also not going to let you work out too 300 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: many times and incur all the injury risks that the virus, 301 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: the virus risk for crying out loud. Yeah, so it 302 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: so you have to do It's all about the tape. 303 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: So here's my here's my thought on this. We've always 304 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: had and you know, you know, you know it. Every 305 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: year you always go to the combine, right, and there's 306 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: those three to four corners, three to four receivers, don't 307 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: we well know the guys we don't think can run, right, 308 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: And so you're like, okay, they're gonna they're gonna have 309 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: a phantom hammy at the combine. But then they have 310 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: to come up. Then a lot of times they're like 311 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: they just put everything off to their pro day. Hopefully 312 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: they're on a fast surface at their pro day, and 313 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: then they run there. It's it's tough. It's it's possible 314 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: to dodge one of the two, right, it's tough. People 315 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: have pulled it off. But it's tough to come up 316 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: with something reason why you can't run at the combine 317 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: and you can't run at the Pro day, Like think 318 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: back to Jarvis Jones. Remember Jarvis Jons he could so 319 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: we didn't have to combine. Well, Georgia's Pro Day he 320 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: ran and he ran slow. It still ended up going 321 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: in the first round, but didn't help himself. Now, man, 322 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: if you're a corner or wide receiver, they can't run 323 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: just one time. You gotta have it just tightened up 324 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: a little bit. Well, I think now, I mean you 325 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: talk about the pandemic angent things, but we've also seen 326 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: guys just refused to work out period. Right, Um, I'll 327 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: do the bench pre user guys avoiding the bench. Yeah, 328 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: they're just not working out. And so Joe Burrow last year, 329 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: right no, yeah, no, no workout nothing. And so I 330 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: just think your eyes have to be so dialed in 331 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: this year when it comes to looking at the tape, 332 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: and you have to be able to dig deeper, and 333 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: I think you have to challenge your scals to look 334 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: beyond the normal slate of games that you were watched. 335 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna have to go back and I'm 336 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: gonna have to do it too, maybe even at three 337 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: year evail on players, to see how guys progressed over 338 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: the course of their collegiate career and and really try 339 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: and lockdown what I what I believe that I see 340 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: on tape, and I have to trust that report. And 341 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: more times than not, DJ, we we found when you 342 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: go with your initial impressions off tape most more times 343 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: than that you're great. Is more accurate in terms of 344 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: how player is going to play within the system, No doubt, 345 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: very true. UM, let's get to a couple of these 346 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: hires here, solid of the Jets, Arthur Smith to the Falcons. 347 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: Heard a story on Arthur Smith. Um uh today, Actually, 348 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: I thought was a great story just about UM. I 349 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: don't know if awareness is a good trade I think 350 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: for a head coach. I don't know. We talked about 351 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: that very much, but just kind of being able to 352 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: see the big picture and having kind of that that understanding. 353 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: And he told me a great story just about Derrick Henry. 354 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: We remember and my and my scouting report on Derrick 355 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: Henry it literally says in there he needs a runaway. 356 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: So if you think about Derrick Henry's career did not 357 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: start off a blaze of fire. Here it was not great, 358 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: and even under Matt Lafleur was not great. And then 359 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,719 Speaker 1: Arthur Smith, when he took it over um, it started 360 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: to really started to really jump and take off. And 361 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: one of the things he did was he was getting 362 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: the ball at at a yard yard and a half 363 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: from the line of scrimmage, and they said, no, we 364 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: gotta get him the ball two yards from the line 365 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. So back him up a little bit, make 366 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: sure that the the the uh mesh point is a 367 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: little bit deeper, gives him time to get going, gives 368 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: him time to see, gives him time to build up. 369 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: He's not somebody had great, great vision coming out of Alabama. 370 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: But one thing was you get him a runaway and 371 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: good luck getting him on the ground. Just that little 372 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: little thing that Arthur Smith did, I thought, man, that's 373 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: that's being perceptive and being aware. And I think that's 374 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: that's one of the biggest things. And I will say this, 375 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: uh from a Hey coaching perspective is far more than 376 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: being a play called it. But one of the things 377 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: that you have to do is a Hey coaches, you 378 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: have to be able to solve problems you have to 379 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: be able to look at the issues that you have, 380 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: particularly with your best players, and figure out how can 381 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: we put them in the best position to maximize their 382 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: town us. And so when we look at Derrick Henry, 383 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: I think Derrick Henry is a great example. Derrick Henry, 384 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: to me, is a guy that is an old school 385 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: tail back that needs to be in the dot position 386 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: in the I formation. I want them eight yards deep. 387 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: I wanted coming downhill, I want everything to kind of 388 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: be that if I put him in the shotgun, ideally 389 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: maybe in the pistol. I wanted to be able to 390 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 1: do things that really work for him. And then what 391 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: Arthur Smith was able to do, not only with Derrick Henry, 392 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: but what about the job you did with Ryan Tannehill. 393 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill became I mean, look, man, we can talk 394 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: about Ryan Tannehill being the top five, top seven quarterback 395 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: in the league since he became the starting quarterback in Tennessee. 396 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: His numbers are on part where what Pat Mahomes was 397 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: putting up and part of that is Arthur's missibility to 398 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: look at what Ryan Tannehill does really well play action pass, 399 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: some of the shotgun stuff, some of the running game 400 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: and do it. That's what great coaches do, and I 401 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: think great coaches find a way to make the game 402 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: easy for their best layers, and Arthur Smith has done that. 403 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: And so the awareness that you have is being aware 404 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: of the talents that your guys have and trying to 405 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: find a way to fit them into the desired scheme 406 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: that you want to run. No doubt any other thoughts 407 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: on that on that fit there, I think it's a 408 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: good higher right like fint No, I don't know, but 409 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: he's got a great reputation, uh coming over from the 410 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: Saints as a general manager, so it's side. Everything I've 411 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: heard about him has been excellent and pairing him up 412 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: with Arthur Smith, I like what the Falcons did. Yeah, 413 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: I like what the Falcons are doing because I think 414 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: it's it's about putting those guys in lockstep. The reason 415 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: why I think is important for fun No coming in 416 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: from the division DJ. We talked about it. I think 417 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: is is not emphasized enough. When you build your team, 418 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: you're building your team to win the division. You have 419 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: to win a division to guarantee most times and not 420 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: you win indivision guaranteed of a playoff spot. So fund 421 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: knows knowledge of the division, knowledge of what is going on. 422 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: To pair those two guys together, I think works also. 423 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: Rich mckabe maybe position in the president's role, but Rich 424 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: McKay has been a general manager for a long time. 425 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: His ability to come down there and whisper some nuggets 426 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: into the ear of both of those guys from a 427 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: team building perspective should help, and they will grow into 428 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: the job. But I think it's a lot easier to 429 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: grow into the job when the guy that is at 430 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: the top has some experience doing some of those things. 431 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean he's micromanaging, but he's a trusted ear 432 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 1: that you can listen to when you kind of run 433 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: into some of those problems. And so I do like 434 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: the parent I do like the matchup. I agree with 435 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: you switching over to the Jets um to me. I 436 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: think we said this from pretty close to the beginning 437 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: here that Robert Salom made a lot of sense to 438 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: the Jets just because you're hiring the kind of the 439 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: opposite of what you just had. You know, you go 440 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 1: from an offensive guy to a defensive guy, from a 441 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: maybe more reclusive personality and Adam gaze to a big presence. 442 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: You know, big leader, um energy, UM edge. I would 443 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: say they need some edge there. He brings that to 444 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: the table as well. Um, and I think it matches 445 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: a division. Now you look inside that division. You've got 446 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: four defensive head coaches inside the a f C East. 447 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: It's setting itself up to be a slobber knocker. Yeah, 448 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: it is said this stuff up. Here's what I also 449 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: like about the Roberts, all the things, all the things 450 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: you talked about. It great like energy, leadership ability. I 451 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: think he has the ability with his presence to build 452 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 1: a culture defensively. There's some things that are intriguing. But 453 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 1: more importantly, I like what he brought over with him. 454 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: You and I have talked about it. We've talked about 455 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: it at nausea. If I was starting a team, if 456 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: I was coaching, the preferred system is the Shanahan system. 457 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: Whatever that it looks like. Um, it is a system 458 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: that is tried and true. It works. He brings over 459 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: two assistance from the forty Niners, immediately, old line coach 460 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel as the offensive coordinator. He also brings before 461 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: Michael Flure, I'm sorry, Michael Floor. Mike L. Daniel got 462 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: promoted in San Francisco, Michael flud comes over, brings that 463 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: he brings over. Tell the embree who comes over has 464 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: been in the college game, but is the son of 465 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: who knows it, and so you know this system. Also 466 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: it gives them options when it comes to the quarterback position. 467 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: With Sam Donald, we've talked about we head intoel that. Hey, 468 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: the Niners Cal Shanahan really liked Sam Donald, his talents 469 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 1: and what it could do in this system. So now 470 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: if you're Robert Slot and those guys, you try and 471 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: envision what would be the best course of action potentially 472 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: for the Jets. Could we stick with the quarterback and 473 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: devote our resources to building up the other stuff, and 474 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: maybe we get Sam playing well enough that we can 475 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: do maybe what Cleveland did with Baker Mayfield and have 476 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: a quick transition by doing it. Or maybe it's hey, 477 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 1: we can sell Sam off and do those things. But 478 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: I think your job is to give yourself as many 479 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 1: avenues to the winner's circle. And I think by hiring 480 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: what they've hired offensively, it gives them multiple avenues to 481 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: build an offense and a team they can get to 482 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: the winner circle. And I think that is what your 483 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: job is. And I think they've taken steps in the 484 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: right direction. Yeah, they need in that defense. As you know, 485 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: you need edge rushers and you need corners, and that's 486 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: something that they're a little short supply right now. So 487 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: they're gonna have to figure that out via free agency 488 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: or the draft. Uh, find a way to get some 489 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: some guys at that spot, because I mean, I love 490 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: Quinn and Williams and what he's gonna be able to do. 491 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: He made a big leap this year, played well, you 492 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 1: get you know, people forget about c J. Mosley coming back. 493 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: Um was a good player. So they've got a chance. 494 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: I think Bryce Hall played well or young rookie corners big. 495 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 1: He kind of fits that. He fits that that defense. 496 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here looking at options, going, Okay, they picked 497 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: number two, and you know, I could make a strong 498 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: case for Zach Wilson start over. He trade Sam to 499 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: the Niners or whoever else you want to trade him, Um, 500 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: and then off you go. Or you can trade out 501 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: at number two, Um, stick with Sam, get a bunch 502 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: of other picks if you stuck it to and you 503 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: did not take a quarter by a right. So let's 504 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: say that they're gonna stay with Sam they're gonna stay 505 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: it too. And I and I've talked about man, they 506 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: could use a big time receiver, you know, a big 507 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: time number one. Jamaar Chase is there. But we've talked 508 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: about second round receivers being value. Right. They have another 509 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: pick at twenty three. If they want to take a receiver, 510 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 1: they could do it there. I almost think the way 511 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: to go there. I don't think there's an edge rusher 512 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: worthy of the second pick, but I do think that 513 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 1: Farley at Virginia Tech is a phenomenal corner. And I 514 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: think you look at Patrick Sir Tan at Alabama, those 515 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: are two kids, if you look at the size and 516 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: the length and the athleticism, who fit beautifully into into 517 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: that solid defense. If you were just stuck there, it 518 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: couldn't get out, and you wanted to stick stick with 519 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: Sam Donald, I think taking one of those corners makes 520 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: the most sense. Look, I like that part of it, 521 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: but let's let's think of it this way. So Joe 522 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: d comes from a school of thought where we saw 523 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia they always invested in the offensive line. Sam 524 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: Donald um early in his where has been hit a ton. 525 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: Uh Is there an office of lineman that we could 526 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: pigeonholing there to go opposite Mackay Beckton. So when we 527 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: think about this zone running game and then we can move, 528 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 1: is Pena Seul potentially an option at two? Or do 529 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 1: do we boy fast that to go with the corn 530 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: and do those things? Yeah? I think that's a little 531 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: rich for Pina sul on me just me personally, I like, 532 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: I love Slater. I think Slater fits into that. But 533 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: Slater could end up kicking inside the guards. So it's like, man, 534 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: do you do you want to do that there at 535 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: number two of these great player um? But to me, 536 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: that would make more sense if you're the Jets at two, UM, 537 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: you could very easily pit Atlanta at four, UM Carolina 538 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: at eight. You could kind of put those teams against 539 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: one another to try and come up for a quarterback. 540 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: And you can very easily slide back a little bit 541 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: and still get if you want to get an offensive 542 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: line and you get one of those guys there. But 543 00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: as as as you said, DJ, like you're options in 544 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: the cat Vercy, you have options. Like we just laid 545 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: out a couple of different things. You talked about the quarterback, 546 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, Trady Sam get some more currency. Coming back 547 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 1: to address some other stuff we talked about the big cornerback, 548 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: which we haven't talked about one of those guys as 549 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: a top five pick, but it does make sense in 550 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: terms of big body. You have to in this division, 551 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: the way the division is shaping up, you need able 552 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: to cover people. Because John Dallen is not going anywhere. 553 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: The Miami Dolphins are going to invest in the offense 554 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: of the ball, and let's just assume they continue to 555 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: go with tour. You know they're gonna ask some firepower offensively. 556 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: You gotta be able to cover those guys. And this year, 557 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: unlike most years, there's not a pass for rusher that's 558 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: worthy of being a top five pick. In my mind, 559 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 1: I don't I don't think there's anybody in that class. 560 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: And so it has to be about the quarterback. So 561 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: either you get a quarterback, you get a tackle, you 562 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: get an edge rusher or cornerback, and so uarter back cornerback, 563 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: that's where the money has to be spent when it 564 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: comes to the draft capital. YEP, I agree with you, 565 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: and to me, it makes sense. If you are going 566 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: to take the quarterback, you stick and pick you take 567 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: whoever it is. If it's Justin Fields or Zach Wilson, 568 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: whoever you want to take their too, Trey Lance, whoever 569 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: it is, wherever you love, you're taking it too. If 570 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: you're if you're not going to take a quarterback to me, 571 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: it really didn't make a whole lot of sense to 572 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 1: pick it to you. Get the heck out of there. 573 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 1: Just move out. Because there's so many teams have a claiming. 574 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 1: We anticipate that so many teams that want to jump up. 575 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 1: You can get what you want to get. I think 576 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: you have to what you have to do. What you 577 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: have to do is we talk about cluster busters. You 578 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: have to figure out what is the floor the market 579 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: guys that we would get, But what is the floor? 580 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: And once I determined what that is, is that four 581 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: I want to be a head of Cincinnati to get 582 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: whoever they may deem to be a guy? Is that 583 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: eight where they caro a lot of panthers. Once you 584 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: figure out the floor in terms of the market guys 585 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: that you would say, hey, these guys are difference makers, 586 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,360 Speaker 1: then I think it makes it easier to to show 587 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: up a couple of days ahead of the Jeff say 588 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: hey we're open for business. We'll figure it out. We 589 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: have a plan for whatever it shows us. Yeah, no doubt. 590 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun. And this is just one of 591 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: the things we can do on this pod over the 592 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: next couple of months is kind of flesh out these 593 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: different scenarios. So it's fun, man, It's enjoyable time being 594 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: able to see all the different avenues these guys have. 595 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: And once free agency happens, that helps kind of set 596 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: the course a little bit more as well. Yeah, it does, 597 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: because free agency will play a huge rolling because when 598 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: you're the Jets, you have a ton of cap space. 599 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: The Jets and the Jacks, they certainly can go shopping 600 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: and not have to worry about what the credit of 601 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 1: them it is on the credit card. They can go 602 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: through whatever it is they want to do. And so 603 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: it's a matter of lining those free agent signings with 604 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: the needs and it the proper value. But yeah, like, 605 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: what what do you need? How do you want to 606 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: get this going? Because I think for both spots. We 607 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: talked about the Jets extensively today, but the Jacks too, 608 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: how do we want to jump start a rebuilding process? 609 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: All right, let's uh, let's wrap this thing up. Anything 610 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: else you want to add before we finish the thing off. No, Man, 611 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: I think I think it's fascinating. I think the one 612 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: thing that I want to talk about on the next podcast, 613 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: and I think this will kind of come into play 614 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: at the top of the board. Three of the four 615 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: teams that are in the final four drafted first round 616 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: quarterbacks coming off of playoff bids. And so we've talked 617 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: about how important the position is and if a position 618 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: is so important you need to invest in it. Just 619 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: talking about how man you have to find your quarterback 620 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: in the first round because it allows you to reset 621 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: the clock, but not being afraid to swing, swing to bat, 622 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: swing bat when there's a quarterback within rings, And if 623 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: you think about that, usually what happens is there's a run. 624 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: There's a one or two guys. Because I'm thinking back 625 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: to the year with when Mahomes was traded up for 626 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: and Watson was traded up for, so Troubinsky went early 627 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: and then there was a little bit of a drop 628 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: because those teams didn't need quarterbacks. And once we got 629 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: to ten, those playoff teams, now we're like, Okay, these 630 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: guys are within striking distance. Let's go up and get them. 631 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: And I could see a similar scenario playing out here, 632 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: especially if a team like Carolina did not take one 633 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: um and went and decided to stick with Teddy Bridgewater 634 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: and then you had Denver, who you know they could 635 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: stick with lock Dallas has one, the Giants have one. 636 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: You look to San Francisco, that would be the pick 637 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: at number twelve, and it's the same type thing you 638 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: can that could be the quarterback spot. So if you're 639 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: one of those teams with an aging, if you're a 640 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh UM, if you're in Indianapolis, those are playoff teams 641 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: picking in the twenties. Those are the teams I would 642 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: keep an eye on that. Man. If if you start 643 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: to see a trade lance or you start to see 644 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: a Justin Fields kind of get past Carolina, those teams 645 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: could be in business to go up. Absolutely in business. 646 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: I actually the Atlanta fol because to be in business. 647 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: Even though they're not a playoff team, They're gonna be 648 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: in the mix. But I think you have to keep 649 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: your eye on some team coming out of nowhere jumping 650 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: into the top ten to get their quarterback of the future, 651 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: because we've seen it. It is much easier to go 652 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: and get a quarterback while you have an aging one 653 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: that is getting ready to go out, then to be 654 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: without one, and now I'm kind of beholden to whatever 655 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: that quarterback crop is in a given year. Quarterback position 656 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: most important piece. So you gotta go get one. You 657 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: gotta always be looking for the next guy to be 658 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: your franchise quarterback, no doubt. Well this is a fun 659 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: one today. I appreciate you guys hanging with us. Remember 660 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: you can just download the podcast, subscribe all that good stuff. 661 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: Tell a friend, why not? Sure the news here. We're 662 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: getting ready to get cranked up as we head towards 663 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: the off season, and we'll have more on these big 664 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: championship games coming up on the next episode. That's gonna 665 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: do it for us today. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Daniel Jeremiah. 666 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. To Move the Sticks, presented by Castro 667 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: Ledge