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Speaker 1: my name is Leek, your host of Malik's Bookshelf. This
Speaker 1: is going to be a controversial episode because I'm talking
Speaker 1: about a sensitive subject. This been in legislation, particularly in
Speaker 1: California for a few years now. There's talk about reparations.
Speaker 1: So I thought today I'll talk about this subject matter.
Speaker 1: And I have a young man that I knew, known
Speaker 1: for many years. This moved away to Atlanta, but I
Speaker 1: thought i'd reach out to him and get an interview
Speaker 1: on reparations. His name is Reginald Mohammed, and he's one
Speaker 1: of the leading voices for reparationists in this country. He
Speaker 1: founded an organization called National Reparations Institution, and he's published
Speaker 1: a book to address the blueprint and in steps needed
Speaker 1: to bring about reparations to create a generation of change
Speaker 1: and what he calls complete reparations. So stay tuned for
Speaker 1: that interview. The interview is so long that I'm not
Speaker 1: able to do a book review or talk about any
Speaker 1: other subject matter, because I want you to hear this
Speaker 1: complete interview I was able to do with him in
Speaker 1: the reparations movement. Now, as I stated earlier, this is
Speaker 1: a very sensitive subject, reparations. A lot of people has
Speaker 1: chimed in on this subject matter, a lot of people afford,
Speaker 1: a lot of people against it. But hey, it is real,
Speaker 1: it is taking place down in America, and it's something
Speaker 1: that's not going to go away. So hey, enjoy this
Speaker 1: episode because it is enlightening. Today, I'm gonna talk about
Speaker 1: a sensitive subject that you know has many different viewpoints.
Speaker 1: But the person that I'm interviewing about this subject matter, reparations,
Speaker 1: is at on the forefront and one of the leading
Speaker 1: voices trying to get reparations for the black in America.
Speaker 1: He represents the National Reparations Institution. His name is reginal Mohammed,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna bring him on so that he can
Speaker 1: touch on what he's doing about his book, reparations and
Speaker 1: what's upcoming. How are you doing today, Reginald, good brother,
Speaker 1: be league, how are you and how's the family and
Speaker 1: your customer based get in Los Angeles. Wonderful, wonderful. I
Speaker 1: forgot to mention I've known this brother. He used to
Speaker 1: be out here on the West coast, now you're on
Speaker 1: the East coast. He reversed it, just like I was
Speaker 1: on the East coast and then I'm on the West coast.
Speaker 1: But this brother continues to be a voice for change
Speaker 1: and hope in America. The family is doing well. I
Speaker 1: hope your family is doing well. I want to get
Speaker 1: right on in this. I want our honest to know
Speaker 1: more about what you're doing and how this the reparation
Speaker 1: the National Reparation Institution, and how it is you know,
Speaker 1: trying to bring reparations to the black community. Well, brother,
Speaker 1: may thank you again, And first off, I want to
Speaker 1: congratulate you because you've been there more than a couple
Speaker 1: of decades in Los Angeles area and had provided to
Speaker 1: have been a source and a hub for information for
Speaker 1: the masses of our people. And brother, we are always
Speaker 1: invented and grateful for that you and your family and
Speaker 1: Malik books Uh and I know you have two or
Speaker 1: three locations there and we want to just say thank
Speaker 1: you and we're grateful an appreciative brother that you will
Speaker 1: allows to be on your Podcastly, just a little background
Speaker 1: about what I do it and how we've been doing it. Um,
Speaker 1: I've done a reparationists and in the movement for more
Speaker 1: than thirty years now. I'm originally I'm originally from St. Petersburg, Florida.
Speaker 1: And what's unique about St. Petersburg, Florida. Brother, That is
Speaker 1: the face of the home of the All African People's
Speaker 1: Socialist Party and the rural movement. UH the longest running
Speaker 1: revolutionary newspaper, the Bird Experience out of St. Petersburg, Florida. Well,
Speaker 1: what's your unique about that? Brother? Back in the two
Speaker 1: they're the first organization to have an international reparations cry
Speaker 1: funeral in the country. And the first book ever published
Speaker 1: by US on reparations is called Stolen Black Labor, and
Speaker 1: that was published by Chairman Oldmolly, yesa tell er, we
Speaker 1: have to give him credit, but for that. And when
Speaker 1: I read that book, brother, and while I was teaching
Speaker 1: at the Marcus Garvey School right there in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: right there on on Austin off of Crinshaw, when I
Speaker 1: was teaching that brother, and I was convinced of the
Speaker 1: reparations movement. And of course, you know I'm a long
Speaker 1: term veteran member of the Nation of Islam. Well, if
Speaker 1: you go to point number four, UH, the Honor Gilizer
Speaker 1: Muhammas program, that is a reparations program. And so from
Speaker 1: their brother Lee UH coming from full circle today UH
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, we have We've been blessed to have the
Speaker 1: first policies and in think tank censored on reparations. We're
Speaker 1: not a competing organization on the reparations piece. But what
Speaker 1: we are is the policies and in think tank, and
Speaker 1: all we do is UH is research, writing, published, and
Speaker 1: propagating reparations for the masses of our people. And so
Speaker 1: bottom line, UM, one of the things that I was
Speaker 1: blessed to do UH back more than a decade. The
Speaker 1: goal of brother Malee is that I published my If
Speaker 1: you go online now you put of my master thesis.
Speaker 1: It's called the Movement to Secure Reparations for Blacks in
Speaker 1: America and an analysis of fragmented models and methodologies would
Speaker 1: even give me a master's degree until because my critique
Speaker 1: and criticism of the reparations movement, it lacked a model
Speaker 1: in the methodology. See what why is that important blocks
Speaker 1: have been organizing for reparations for more than a hundred
Speaker 1: years in America, and I know California. California has just
Speaker 1: passed arrest reparations initiative. What's from lacking into you and
Speaker 1: your audience is that there was no clear model in
Speaker 1: methodology for actually doing it. If you say that you're
Speaker 1: building ah, if you say you're gonna do some building
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, commercial or residential, at some point you
Speaker 1: have to provide a blueprint to the City of Atlanta
Speaker 1: in order for you to Planning department. In order for
Speaker 1: you to do any building in and in uh in
Speaker 1: um l A for a commercial building or residential building,
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna ask you, where's your former plane? Is your blueprint?
Speaker 1: That was missed. That's what was missing in the reparations movement.
Speaker 1: Their organizations who had who were giving speeches and conferences
Speaker 1: and a blessed to have a ten point program, but
Speaker 1: they were lacking a model and a methodology for actually
Speaker 1: securing reparations. So since I have been very critical of
Speaker 1: the movement, brother the the the National Reparation Decoration which
Speaker 1: you sell and over thirty of the black bookstores around
Speaker 1: the country cell in their bookstore that is the blueprint
Speaker 1: for Securing reparation for the masses of our people. Say
Speaker 1: that title again of the book, you said, well, I'd
Speaker 1: say the title again of the book. The book is
Speaker 1: called the Movement to Secure Reparations for Blacks in America.
Speaker 1: The subtitle is a Qualitative and Quantitative train Work for
Speaker 1: a Black Redress and what's the holiday the bookstore right now?
Speaker 1: On both of them, and and again it's sold in
Speaker 1: over thirty thirty one bookstores, uh in the United States
Speaker 1: right now. And again it is the blueprint because the
Speaker 1: other thing that was missing in the in the movement, uh,
Speaker 1: brother Blake, is that you ask blacks, Okay, what does
Speaker 1: what does that look like? Well, you're getting a different answers.
Speaker 1: If you have a hundred people walking your store and
Speaker 1: you asked him what reparations looked like, you get under
Speaker 1: different answers. Absolutely, And it's an ongoing subject. So I
Speaker 1: was just gonna interject there's I mean, I get people
Speaker 1: in the store all the time or when I'm out
Speaker 1: in the commune all the time talking about reparations, and
Speaker 1: it's just it's a million different points of view. But
Speaker 1: one thing is for certain is the black people still
Speaker 1: looking for that forty acres in the mill there was
Speaker 1: promised out of slavery. Yes, sir, that's shoot absolutely. And
Speaker 1: one of the things that's happening in the movement. You
Speaker 1: got a black petty bush by sector and white liberals
Speaker 1: holly and give me a check. But remember the menister said, brother,
Speaker 1: if we're not talking eight to ten states is to
Speaker 1: sell out. And it's a compromise. Right now, brother Blake
Speaker 1: blacks us two million acres of land today. In to
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy we were controlling over fifteen million acres of land.
Speaker 1: And we know land is about freedom, justice and equality.
Speaker 1: We're talking about manufacturing who's clothing and shelter or you
Speaker 1: gotta have land to do that. They're all forty five
Speaker 1: million black people in America and they're operating on less
Speaker 1: than two million acres of land. So we lost thirteen
Speaker 1: million acres of land in the last how many years
Speaker 1: in the in the last fifty years, we have lost
Speaker 1: that meni acres of land absolutely, and and so that
Speaker 1: so the reparations piece, when you're talking complete reparations and
Speaker 1: now complete reparations, you're talking the land question has to
Speaker 1: be done with it. Now, let me ask you this
Speaker 1: is there such thing as a short term plan for
Speaker 1: reparation and the long term plan for reparations. Oh, absolutely,
Speaker 1: because some of the short term plan is uh by
Speaker 1: the leak is that you see states around the country
Speaker 1: and cities and municipalities UH taught reparations and they're doing
Speaker 1: the best that they can. But what's what's missing in
Speaker 1: the in the dialogue, but it is that they have
Speaker 1: not had anybody to come in and quantify what that
Speaker 1: looks like and give you and give an evaluation. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give an example. Let's look at California, I UH,
Speaker 1: and I can provide the letter to you in into
Speaker 1: your listeners. Brother. Four months five months ago, I warned
Speaker 1: uh the state of California, the nine commissioners that all
Speaker 1: of them got a copy of a letter from me.
Speaker 1: Is that not to UH make it lineage base that
Speaker 1: the only way you can qualify from reparations is proved lineage.
Speaker 1: But that is a black bogeoid and white liver team
Speaker 1: scheme and tactic to really keep the masses of people
Speaker 1: who deserve reparations from getting reparations. What do I mean
Speaker 1: by that? So you're saying that people gotta prove lineage? Brother,
Speaker 1: high poop and ray radium gonna be able to prove
Speaker 1: lineage when it was against the law for us to
Speaker 1: read and write in a American how are they gonna
Speaker 1: be able to prove lineage? Brother, without the resources to
Speaker 1: be able to track and trace that. So you're saying
Speaker 1: that anybody blacks you just qualified automatically. What I you know,
Speaker 1: it's just not based on just uh, you black and
Speaker 1: you qualify automatically. What has to happen with that, brother,
Speaker 1: is what we develop is what is known as the
Speaker 1: deal method. We first off look at damage, injury and loss.
Speaker 1: It's a California population. Let's look at we we know
Speaker 1: blacks were in California in the early hundreds. Let's look
Speaker 1: at the population that was there. Let's look at some
Speaker 1: of the some of the lineage is not It is
Speaker 1: not an absolutely uh. It's not that we take take
Speaker 1: lineage all the way out of there. But it has
Speaker 1: to be more than just lineage because they're they're those
Speaker 1: who were responsible for the enslavement and trafficking of black people.
Speaker 1: Remember I didn't notice that didn't say slave trade. I
Speaker 1: said the enslavement and trafficking of black people in the
Speaker 1: state of California. And so we gotta be able to
Speaker 1: look at populations that were damaged. We gotta look at
Speaker 1: populations now here in the century how they were ill affected,
Speaker 1: and then decide what the damages are, at the loss
Speaker 1: and the injury. It can't just be when you talk
Speaker 1: about lineage vase. Now you got a population that does
Speaker 1: not know how or where to even begin to prove lineage.
Speaker 1: But if it's systematically locked out, locked under, that's the
Speaker 1: poopy and ray raytion. They name him who deserved reparations, brother,
Speaker 1: And now we've got the bush wire sector saying, well,
Speaker 1: you gotta prove lineage. Well, right now there's a fight.
Speaker 1: There's a fight about to happen, is already happening in California.
Speaker 1: Because what what will happen when Gavin Newson, who said
Speaker 1: that he will he will approve two hundred twenty uh
Speaker 1: two twenty five million dollars UH two and twenty five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars for blacks uh for reparations as individuals or families. Well, brother,
Speaker 1: the average house in in California's about four d fifty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. So again, that will not eradicate the homeless
Speaker 1: problem that you got there in uh in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: it won't even move the need of the poverty rate,
Speaker 1: to dropout rate, in concerration, in concerration rate, of the
Speaker 1: destruction of the black family, the psychological damage that will
Speaker 1: not that's not complete reparations. That is a payment, okay,
Speaker 1: but it's not complete reparation. It's a it's a down
Speaker 1: payment towards reparations, but certainly not it's a down payment
Speaker 1: towards reparations, but it's certainly not a remedy to bring
Speaker 1: a which because my understanding, my brother, is that when
Speaker 1: it comes to reparations, okay, what's the end game and
Speaker 1: what's the goal here? You know, money don't solve all problems,
Speaker 1: and you know a lot of things we suffer from
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with money. You can put a food,
Speaker 1: you can you you can build a house and give
Speaker 1: it to a fool and et and a food and
Speaker 1: money was soon part the thing. The thing. That thing
Speaker 1: is we have a lot of damages mentally psychologically. That
Speaker 1: was done. And my point is is that reparations, you know,
Speaker 1: the end game and the goal here is to create
Speaker 1: a generation of change, and we know that it starts
Speaker 1: with land and we know that we have to create
Speaker 1: institutions and bring about an environment where the thinking and
Speaker 1: the culture is changed in order to bring about a
Speaker 1: universal change. And so that's the long term minds and
Speaker 1: that's the long term strategy when it comes to reparation.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, you know, is reparations realistic in
Speaker 1: the in this dayn time? And is America gonna own
Speaker 1: up to what we call, you know, paying the debt
Speaker 1: that is old too black people for the oppression because
Speaker 1: no one has suffered more in America then under the government.
Speaker 1: The government of America has created more harsh and oppression
Speaker 1: than any slave trader. You know. You know, America is
Speaker 1: as a as a nation you know, has great sins.
Speaker 1: But those great sins, you know, can also uh it
Speaker 1: can be said outside of the great sins that the
Speaker 1: you know, opportunities and the um and and and and
Speaker 1: and and the environment and the culture that America created
Speaker 1: created a lot of wealth for a lot of individuals
Speaker 1: in America. And you know, and and the greatness that
Speaker 1: in America is tied to the success of Black America
Speaker 1: as well. Many inventions, many many, many of the things
Speaker 1: that are people are proud of about America you'll find
Speaker 1: black people right there every step of the way. And
Speaker 1: so you know, we you know this is you know
Speaker 1: this is so this is a very intended I hear
Speaker 1: your passion and and I hear, brother that you could
Speaker 1: tell that you brother, you know, speaking from your heart.
Speaker 1: You're you're very intellectual your passion and for this movement. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I've been knowing you for a long time.
Speaker 1: This is the first time I've had this engage me
Speaker 1: with you regarding all these years of regarding the reparations
Speaker 1: and you've put so many miles in so many years
Speaker 1: into you know, working diligent and actively trying to bring
Speaker 1: about you know, and that goal, that ultimate goal, which
Speaker 1: is to create a generation to change. And from hearing
Speaker 1: everything you're saying, these individual payments that are being talked about,
Speaker 1: it is not gonna solve that generation to change exactly.
Speaker 1: But think about it and put it in this context.
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, brother, is let's put it in this context.
Speaker 1: At the reparations and National Reparations Institude here in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: here's what here the four goals and objectives. Because of
Speaker 1: Ken you raised the question about can we really secure reparations?
Speaker 1: Is it possible or feasible for the federal government. But
Speaker 1: our number one objective is to consolidate movement. There there
Speaker 1: there various voices, various organizations on reparation. Be very clear
Speaker 1: about consolidating the movement. Number two is to control our
Speaker 1: own narrative. Number three is to implement the National Reparation
Speaker 1: Declaration nationwide. Number four is to implement the collected culture
Speaker 1: model that will actually secure reparations for blacks in America.
Speaker 1: You say, uh, and let me let me say go
Speaker 1: back to the declaration. What's key about that declaration. For
Speaker 1: the first time, brother Malie, we quantified what reparation, what
Speaker 1: the cost would be. We we broke down the land question,
Speaker 1: the quantification scale that in that declaration. It's a sixty
Speaker 1: two page book. Brother. We didn't go ask white cicalars
Speaker 1: to do this for us and about us. But that
Speaker 1: was developed at the Institute UH, at the National Reparations
Speaker 1: Institute in Atlanta. So for the first time, we quantified
Speaker 1: what reparations look like based on the land that was
Speaker 1: lost the years of free labor, rather than to um
Speaker 1: the exploitation and the murder of black people. And so
Speaker 1: we use four variables to calculate it. Dr ray Winbush
Speaker 1: read it at Market State University. He's considered the dean
Speaker 1: of the movement. He wrote the book and that you
Speaker 1: used to sell in your story should America pay? He
Speaker 1: read the declarations. He said in his forty years, brother Moly,
Speaker 1: he had never found a better calculation than what we
Speaker 1: had provided at the National Operations Institute. Now you say, yes,
Speaker 1: the federal government or brother Malie, but we're about to publish. Brother,
Speaker 1: do you know that they're over thirty six thousand excuse me,
Speaker 1: thirty five thousand plantations that are still up and operating
Speaker 1: that made their money off the enslavement and trafficking of
Speaker 1: black people. Now they're under different names and different companies
Speaker 1: and foundations on those those properties now, but they made
Speaker 1: their fortune off the enslavement and trafficking the black people.
Speaker 1: They will be will be publishing that. Some of them
Speaker 1: will come to the table. So it's not just the
Speaker 1: federal government. It's the federal government that owes the're not
Speaker 1: practice that ores that select mongt national corporations, that oires
Speaker 1: some of the nonprofits, that ours major universities, Harvard University,
Speaker 1: whether they stepped out six months ago. If you go
Speaker 1: to the wall Street Journal. And you'll see six months
Speaker 1: ago they stepped out and say agreed to pay a
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars in reparations. Why, brother man, how would
Speaker 1: University of h b c U participated? Harvard O Harvard? Okay?
Speaker 1: I thought I heard would. I was like, h b
Speaker 1: c U Okay, that's okay, harved one million dollars? Why
Speaker 1: because our research shows that brother forty one of the
Speaker 1: founding members of Harvard University were enslaved u slave owners.
Speaker 1: But and that's how they meet there. Well so, and
Speaker 1: one of the reason they have agreed to pay Brother Mali.
Speaker 1: Some of their staff and students have a copy of
Speaker 1: the declaration that you have in your store. They know
Speaker 1: we're coming. So now they didn't already jumped out there
Speaker 1: and said they and we hits them in the declaration
Speaker 1: with some other schools like Brown University, uh in the university?
Speaker 1: How how did they ar? Well? Okay? So, so Harvard
Speaker 1: stepping out and they want to offer a hunted millen
Speaker 1: to the war chest for reparations, A hunted mill that
Speaker 1: that seems to being an insult. That seems to be
Speaker 1: an insult. They already admitted and their other white universes.
Speaker 1: What what what's your colrelation? My brother? Because I got
Speaker 1: for the audience of my league folk show Reginald Drup
Speaker 1: this calculation. Did you arrived at your origin? To say
Speaker 1: institution arrived at? What's this calculation? How much money is
Speaker 1: the over eighty three trillion dollars? Eighty three three dollars question?
Speaker 1: Much of that has to do with the land piece, brother, belie.
Speaker 1: And when you go back to our declaration, we spell
Speaker 1: it out and lay it out and eighty three you
Speaker 1: you you, Every university is going bankrupt, America is going bankrupt.
Speaker 1: All the insurance companies are going bankrupt. The nonprofit organization
Speaker 1: are going bank rup. So let's get real. Eighty three
Speaker 1: trillion dollars? Where is that gonna come from? Important and
Speaker 1: key and critical. See they're printing money all day every day,
Speaker 1: and they can easily say, but you can't print land.
Speaker 1: You cannot print land. Sector talking about give me a check, brother,
Speaker 1: that's to sell out and us a compromise. Because at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, brother, believe the land question
Speaker 1: becomes key. That is, that's the number one ingredient. Reparation
Speaker 1: is not just money, brother, but but think about the
Speaker 1: black farmers. Brother, they need irrigation systems, they need equipment.
Speaker 1: So part of that reparation packages are communication systems, farming equipment. Brother.
Speaker 1: The land question becomes key and critical because you're right,
Speaker 1: they they print money all day that that they have
Speaker 1: any value and that's losing value. But we know, but
Speaker 1: we know you can't print land. Do you know that?
Speaker 1: That's that's that's part of our requests from complete reparations.
Speaker 1: And remember, brother Lee, we're talking complete reparations here now.
Speaker 1: Uh Dr William Darty at Duke University, I'm sure you
Speaker 1: can you sell his book it's called From Here to
Speaker 1: Equality Reparations for Blacks in the twenty one century. Found
Speaker 1: his sixteen page book. Yes, and I give derety credit
Speaker 1: great historic dekies, but it is not a blueprint. He
Speaker 1: if you read the book. I have the book in
Speaker 1: the library and they've read it, and that what there
Speaker 1: that comes up with is that is that black star
Speaker 1: old and minimum of fifteen trillion dollars he weighed Lord
Speaker 1: than eighty three he's talking. See that's the black buge
Speaker 1: wild wealth. Yeah, that will not move the needle and
Speaker 1: solve the poverty and generational wealth in black America Brother team.
Speaker 1: If we're talking a minimum of eighty three trillion dollars,
Speaker 1: and remember they have four entities that owe us the
Speaker 1: fellow government, state and local. Then you're talking about nonprofits,
Speaker 1: select multinational corporations and then to UH the select multinational
Speaker 1: corporation nonprofits UH. And then then you're talking individual um
Speaker 1: in the plantations. Plantations get the individual plantation thirty five
Speaker 1: thousand of that ow us and so that so it's
Speaker 1: not the deal that eight three kreion knowledge is not
Speaker 1: a deal for all for just one entity of one body.
Speaker 1: That is collectively what they owe us. Again, if you
Speaker 1: read the declaration, you'll see in that compilation, and we
Speaker 1: have gotten excellent scholarly reviews their organizations who are ready
Speaker 1: who who have a problem with Reginald Muhammed, but they
Speaker 1: have not come back and countered in the UH the
Speaker 1: declaration and what we have documented it is not just rhetoric,
Speaker 1: not at all, seventeen eighteen citations in the declaration, and
Speaker 1: it's made out in a very system and a very
Speaker 1: cool here you're talking about you people, absolutely, I mean,
Speaker 1: was the value what's the value of a human life?
Speaker 1: You know, what's the value of a torture of a
Speaker 1: human of a human being. What's the value of taking
Speaker 1: away their the opportunity from them to have prosperity and
Speaker 1: then fulfillment of freedom, justice, inequality. You know, you you're
Speaker 1: trying to calculate, you know, and it comes down, you know,
Speaker 1: how much is a life worth? Where I heard what
Speaker 1: I remember when Um and thinking grow rich Um The
Speaker 1: Black Choice by Dennis Kimbo. He talking that teaching the
Speaker 1: Department of Political He talked about in the book about
Speaker 1: the wealth. You know, how they calculate a live a life.
Speaker 1: And at one point, if you just calculating his oregans
Speaker 1: and this and that back you know, fifty years ago
Speaker 1: it might have been worth about a hundred dollars, but
Speaker 1: today you calculate you know, the body parts of the oregan,
Speaker 1: you're talking millions. But then he pointed out in the
Speaker 1: book that one in terms of the nuclear and age error,
Speaker 1: He's talking about the energy and the life force that
Speaker 1: in one human being can power one major city for
Speaker 1: over a week. So the value of you know, one
Speaker 1: life is is so great and mass, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And then the torture that one that one
Speaker 1: life from the beginning of birth to the end of
Speaker 1: his life and then to sentence their generations to oppression
Speaker 1: and death. So brother man, just to be able to
Speaker 1: calculate you know this, Mahattan, kudos off to you and
Speaker 1: your organization for being able to be able to calculate
Speaker 1: a scholarly way of determining just how much land and
Speaker 1: and and and it is needed and in money that's
Speaker 1: needed in order to repair a generation for change. My
Speaker 1: brother there go in what was you trying to say? Well,
Speaker 1: thank you again brother, important points that you're bringing out.
Speaker 1: So again you asked the question will they pay us
Speaker 1: or how will they pay us? We remember now we're
Speaker 1: asking for um eighty three trillion dollars now and that
Speaker 1: much of that is the laying question. But that's over
Speaker 1: a twenty five year period that they are supposed to
Speaker 1: be provided they can do it and will do it
Speaker 1: with a civil liberty. Exactly when the Japanese got reparations
Speaker 1: um here in America. If you say, well, okay, what
Speaker 1: was the process, but that they didn't the did it.
Speaker 1: There was no marching, there was no picketing, there was
Speaker 1: no protest, there was no prayer breakfasts. That's not how
Speaker 1: you won't get reparations. Brother, you believe, let me, let
Speaker 1: me share this with your audience, and when I come
Speaker 1: to l A, I will break it down for you
Speaker 1: even further, brother, all of their political economically, there is
Speaker 1: an international white ruling class internationally, nationally, and locally. It
Speaker 1: is a white ruling class internationally, nationally, and locally. They
Speaker 1: make all of their politically. They make all of their
Speaker 1: economic and political decision if it will help her her
Speaker 1: number one their power base, number two, their profit based,
Speaker 1: number three their policy base, and number four their privilege base.
Speaker 1: That's how all economic and political decisions are made in
Speaker 1: this country at the national, state, and local level. Will
Speaker 1: it help or her Number one their power base, number
Speaker 1: two their profit based, number three their policy base, and
Speaker 1: number four their privilege base. It's not based on what
Speaker 1: it's just what's right, what's fair and equitable, or what's
Speaker 1: just for black people. That's not how they're gonna make
Speaker 1: their decision on reparation, brother, brother, be league, how we're
Speaker 1: gonna consolidate, how we're consolidating the movement. We will have
Speaker 1: our third annual Endava or Great Summit, the Great sitting
Speaker 1: down at the Atlanta University Center in the last week
Speaker 1: of June. Well, what we do is we bte all
Speaker 1: the organizations and all the major players on reparations to
Speaker 1: come and sit down. Not in the rally where we
Speaker 1: tracking and and and um and pontificating and all of that.
Speaker 1: We shot down and look at the declarations and agree
Speaker 1: this is how we're gonna approach reparations to actually secure
Speaker 1: reparations for blacks in America. And that in that game
Speaker 1: playing brother, and what I just described to you about
Speaker 1: how the national UH ruling class make all of their
Speaker 1: political economic decisions, that is known as the quite peuple
Speaker 1: based paradigm. You won't find that any book or anywhere
Speaker 1: white folks develop that as you blexed to develop that
Speaker 1: at the national reparations as a political need to ask
Speaker 1: you this question for years now. Well I need to
Speaker 1: answer this question, and I need to show you how
Speaker 1: quickly to show your audience how quickly to fool my
Speaker 1: my question. Well, how is that to how is the
Speaker 1: that we can prove that? Yeah, because I'm like, how
Speaker 1: is it in their best interests? This this just trial
Speaker 1: out of this year when they start to see their
Speaker 1: numbers go down with black and brown people enlisting in
Speaker 1: the military, they bring it behind to the table. Brother,
Speaker 1: Believe when when when select multinational corporation see the bottom line,
Speaker 1: say their shareholders given example, let's look, let's look at
Speaker 1: Wells Fargo Bank. When young people, brother, who know how
Speaker 1: to um, who know how to uh navigate and utilize
Speaker 1: these gadgets, your children, your grandchildren and my children, uh
Speaker 1: gadgets who took the degree, that say too much. Forty
Speaker 1: five days from now, when ten thousand black people closed
Speaker 1: their accounts in Wells Fargo Bay within amount of day,
Speaker 1: not passing out fires anything, but because of these head
Speaker 1: head advices and they agree upon it, and they're going
Speaker 1: to walk in and close ten thousand accounts. And with
Speaker 1: Will Sparker's well, what what's the problem with So you
Speaker 1: leveraging unity? You leveraging unity, which is more powerful than
Speaker 1: an atomic bomb. Absolutely, that's That's exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: When we do the the Indian Dobar, the summit coming up,
Speaker 1: we're not asking your your theology, your philosophy, or your
Speaker 1: ideology as long as you agree with complete reparations for
Speaker 1: the masses of black people and then you start the
Speaker 1: implement when we when we send you we published the list,
Speaker 1: brother of the slate multinational cooperation, that old us brother,
Speaker 1: when they know that they're on the list, and the
Speaker 1: masters of our people saying okay, well, you're not doing
Speaker 1: any business. You're not agreeing to reparations. Weren't spargo dear?
Speaker 1: They okay, cool trying, But when you start losing the accounts, brother,
Speaker 1: you gotta answer to your shareholders. Did bring it behind
Speaker 1: to the table. So basically you gotta bring okay, you
Speaker 1: know what, So you gotta generate some in nurser what
Speaker 1: you know, we're putting our money out of the bank
Speaker 1: because we are in agreement with complete reparations and laid
Speaker 1: out by the national operations and too they come into
Speaker 1: the table, brother, Okay. So basically what I'm hearing here is,
Speaker 1: first of all, you need unity because you gotta have
Speaker 1: create some innursier, some power, and then you're using that
Speaker 1: to leverage, you know, to to to your strength in
Speaker 1: a way to bring them to the table. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: this has been something that the you know, activists and
Speaker 1: Blacks leaders and civil right leaders, humanity, he writes, leaders,
Speaker 1: um Grass routes lead. This is something that's been been trying,
Speaker 1: been trying to do you know they've been trying to
Speaker 1: do for many decades, in many years whoo whoo, makes
Speaker 1: you think they did it in a in a social
Speaker 1: symbolic way. But showed me. But you are scholar, you
Speaker 1: have been, You soon thousands of copies of various books
Speaker 1: and titles. You you you sold Dr Caul Anderson Work,
Speaker 1: Black Labor, White World Economy. But you soon just about
Speaker 1: every reparation book that has never been Yes, but go
Speaker 1: through ere those pages and our our challenge it in
Speaker 1: your listeners. Here, go through in those pages and showed
Speaker 1: me where there's a blue page and in a part
Speaker 1: of the actual model and the methodology that we're doing.
Speaker 1: What you're doing. Great research historically, not taking away, not
Speaker 1: hitting on anybody, but showed me where the blueprints and
Speaker 1: how you actually do it though and all of those
Speaker 1: writings of Bunch Brothers, big great research, great numbers, greater
Speaker 1: point out all the trosity course and why the os,
Speaker 1: but asked the people, how do you actually do it
Speaker 1: and get it done? Most of the civil rights are
Speaker 1: moving in a social symbolic way. It's still protesting. Brother, Well,
Speaker 1: I still take it. Well, I say, adding cleer breakfasts
Speaker 1: and trying to plead your occasion not secure reparations will not,
Speaker 1: it will not. I on what is known as the
Speaker 1: known as the legislative model. I've definitely have gotten reparation
Speaker 1: based on a legislative model. Absolutely where everything works in
Speaker 1: this nation legislative because that means legal law and so
Speaker 1: everything this you know, this the different groups of people
Speaker 1: have gotten in this country is always gotten it through
Speaker 1: legislative and there's a lot of things that people we
Speaker 1: can do on our own without legislation. It's there things
Speaker 1: that we can do as black people. They were not
Speaker 1: doing that. We need to do that. I think with leverage,
Speaker 1: you know, our ability to have this group these you know,
Speaker 1: I forgot the term you use about that power structure
Speaker 1: to sit down at the table and that stuff. Okay,
Speaker 1: chat again. It's just as the quadruple based pine I
Speaker 1: sell out. We were blushed to the wise. That's why
Speaker 1: you gotta put a name to a concept, you know,
Speaker 1: Padigm and I do believe the black dollar can bring
Speaker 1: any group or any nation to the table. At one
Speaker 1: point five three and dollars come to black people's hands
Speaker 1: as a consumer every year, and we leveraged that to
Speaker 1: the max. We haven't brought that to the level that
Speaker 1: we should. We can raise a lot of money business
Speaker 1: and dollars just on our own doing our doing certain
Speaker 1: things if we will pull our own money that we
Speaker 1: already earned in this nation. Absolutely and and that's part
Speaker 1: of the complete reparations package. You're absolutely right. And let's
Speaker 1: let me give you an example. It so your audience
Speaker 1: to know that we're just not talking theories and hypothesesis here.
Speaker 1: Let me let me give you an example. Butther, do
Speaker 1: you know the first stimulus package in when the pandemic here? Brother,
Speaker 1: do you know that they agreed upon that Democrat, ever, Republican,
Speaker 1: liberal and conservative. Within about two months they had moved.
Speaker 1: They moved two trainion dollars, but two training dollars and
Speaker 1: two months? Why is it? Thing? Do it? But the
Speaker 1: belief because the wall speed bankers and that Slect multinational
Speaker 1: Corporation said you know what, I don't care what you're doing, Congress,
Speaker 1: but you better allocate the damn money because it's starting
Speaker 1: to affecting you. As credit rating select multinational corporation, the
Speaker 1: bottom line will start to suffer. Some of them then
Speaker 1: were possibly go. So we're talking priority. You move the
Speaker 1: what is that's an example of how powerful and how
Speaker 1: fast that they can move money and lost. Okay, we
Speaker 1: know that what they got absolute power, so yes, we
Speaker 1: know they can do a lot of things. The question
Speaker 1: is why would they want to do this for the
Speaker 1: former slaves black people. You don't want to do it.
Speaker 1: It's not to be fair. Just he's a capitalist brother,
Speaker 1: capitalist corruct capitalists. And at the end of the data brother,
Speaker 1: they will do it only because the bottom line, they're
Speaker 1: gonna if they're gonna survive. If so, it serves you
Speaker 1: saying the ultimately end, it isn't their best interest at
Speaker 1: some point in time to see that this is a
Speaker 1: viable solution to bring, you know, the people finally to
Speaker 1: a point where we can move forward and get the
Speaker 1: elephant out of the room and eliminating and rodicate, discriminate,
Speaker 1: racing impression and all that they take in place. That
Speaker 1: this is finally we can have an equitable solution to
Speaker 1: a long term sensury problem. Absolutely, and if they're gonna survive, Brothers,
Speaker 1: when we we published the with the select La International
Speaker 1: corporations and how much world spargos, when they start they
Speaker 1: started losing UH accounts, major accounts, their investors and their
Speaker 1: shareholders are gonna say, then, who is this talking reparation?
Speaker 1: We gotta sit down with him, because we showed this
Speaker 1: quarter loss, next quarters of loss in the years we
Speaker 1: have lost. We can't survive like that. So so you
Speaker 1: calculated do anything beyond. If we don't do anything else,
Speaker 1: then you'll be We'll be. Our people were talking reparations
Speaker 1: for another hundred years. So you you be laughing at us.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I'm saying that. So you basically calculated.
Speaker 1: They will. They they make all their economic and political decisions.
Speaker 1: Where did they help hurt their all base, their poptidates,
Speaker 1: their policy basing their privilege base. That's how they make
Speaker 1: all that get invested on us fleeting with them, them
Speaker 1: being just unfair, and they're coming always civil and their
Speaker 1: behavior towards uh. The so called Negro blacks who had
Speaker 1: suffered in America snatched from Africa, well they don't care
Speaker 1: about that, but they were trying. Some of our people
Speaker 1: are still asking them to be human, still, to be just,
Speaker 1: to be fair. But you'll be doing that another You'll
Speaker 1: be doing that another forty and fifty years, and you
Speaker 1: still have not moved the reparations need and let me
Speaker 1: give you let me give you another example of how
Speaker 1: they show you how quickly they can move move money.
Speaker 1: But in twenty nineteen, they had the longest government shutdown
Speaker 1: in the country. Trump was in office when the Malik
Speaker 1: if you remember, they were canceling flights around the country.
Speaker 1: If you'll remember our people on TV talking about this
Speaker 1: man is a food. People donna lose their livelihood, their
Speaker 1: their their their their family, their housing, jobs and everything
Speaker 1: because he got the this government shutdown. Now his his
Speaker 1: his argument was, you're gonna give me the billions of
Speaker 1: dollars that need for my boarder wall. Remember the boarder
Speaker 1: is back in news again, the border wall and so
Speaker 1: and so. I told my students at the Atlanta University Center,
Speaker 1: I said, now this is the time to test my paradigm.
Speaker 1: I said, this, this, um, this strike is not gonna last.
Speaker 1: Don't get in what he's saying, just gonna last. Donald
Speaker 1: Trump comes, um, so what I do. I'm down in
Speaker 1: Florida and I look at it. I said, no, what's
Speaker 1: happening right now that I can predict that this this uh,
Speaker 1: this shutdown is gonna end much sooner than than people say.
Speaker 1: Trump is saying this possibly gonna last for months, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get the money from my boarder wall. Probably
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. What was happening at the time. In
Speaker 1: January around that time, we were a brother one month
Speaker 1: out from the super Bowl. Guess where the super Bowl
Speaker 1: was in one one month out from the super Bowl
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, the business airport in the world in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: And I said, wait a minute, wait a minute. The
Speaker 1: the NFL owners, multi billionaires, select nonprofit organization and UH corperations,
Speaker 1: the evenna let Donald Trump mess up the business commercial
Speaker 1: day in the world. Super Bowl all over the world
Speaker 1: advertised people paying three three and four million dollars for
Speaker 1: thirty second spot the booking and gamble, and it says
Speaker 1: on a Thursday, he says, on a Thursday, Um, well,
Speaker 1: if America don't get we don't If Congress don't pass
Speaker 1: the money from my gonna extend. This is going to
Speaker 1: Extand for some months, well I knew, damn well that
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna Extand for months he said that on the Thursday,
Speaker 1: and then on the two he walked his ass back
Speaker 1: out on the White House line and said the shutdown
Speaker 1: was over. I knew it's gonna be over with because
Speaker 1: the presidents don't run the country. I should proved it
Speaker 1: on social media because the NFL owners, these the select
Speaker 1: multinational corporations, what they were going, they have a lot
Speaker 1: of power, but allow him to do that. They have
Speaker 1: lot of power, they have a lot of leverage, they
Speaker 1: have a lot of say so what happens absolutely yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Well you know this, the national rulers, the national ruling
Speaker 1: class called Donald Trump said, nothing's enough, get your ass
Speaker 1: back out there and open up the country. Well here's
Speaker 1: the thing that you know, a lot of people under
Speaker 1: the illusion that the president runs the country as long
Speaker 1: as the people. Well here's the thing, my brother, A
Speaker 1: lot of people under don't really understand how the power
Speaker 1: structure work. They think political u uh um officials actually
Speaker 1: run the country when the reality is that these multinational
Speaker 1: companies and nonprofit multa national companies are a lot of
Speaker 1: the wealthy and wealthy people. They have uh you know,
Speaker 1: they have shadow government and they have and they have
Speaker 1: more control over this government than a lot of people think.
Speaker 1: It's only so much a president or a congressman or
Speaker 1: a senator or representative can do. When you gotta ask
Speaker 1: you to these people because these people have a lot
Speaker 1: of wealth and a lot of power. They employ a
Speaker 1: lot of people they you know, and they utilize that,
Speaker 1: you know, in order to get the things that they
Speaker 1: need done and the way they need things done. So
Speaker 1: it's just a lot of people miseducated thinking that you know,
Speaker 1: when you vote a politician in the office that they
Speaker 1: actually literally gonna run. And know, they just the face
Speaker 1: and the spokesperson for these these these globalists and national
Speaker 1: multi corporations and nonprofit organization. It's just bad listen. And
Speaker 1: they shadow governments, brothers, and they have a lot of power.
Speaker 1: And that's what I keep saying, the white the nasty
Speaker 1: international national and local white ruling clash brother the you know,
Speaker 1: some people want to call them illuminati. Someone want to
Speaker 1: call the Committee of three hundred some of them the
Speaker 1: call of UH, the Trilateral Commission. It's all of that.
Speaker 1: But it is an international, national and a local body
Speaker 1: of European people who who run these UH and who
Speaker 1: decide what politics is gonna look like. And at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, reparations about public policy. So so
Speaker 1: how are we how are we dealing with then? How
Speaker 1: we are? Well, let's bring this, Let's bring this to
Speaker 1: a conclusion. Lets that we have coming up in June, Brothers,
Speaker 1: there will be five select committees that coming out of
Speaker 1: that uh that that um that summit, So we're not
Speaker 1: just a raw ride clapp session. So number number one
Speaker 1: is we have an Education and Culture Select Committee, Number two,
Speaker 1: Economics and Investment, number three, Public and Mental Health for
Speaker 1: state and land ac musicians. Five this public Policy and Legislation.
Speaker 1: So those select committees, Brothers, will issue their final report
Speaker 1: and recommendation on reparation out of those fire select committees.
Speaker 1: And so what will we do with that? That will
Speaker 1: be professionally bound and edited. Professional politicians all over the
Speaker 1: country at the national, state, mocal level will get copies.
Speaker 1: Organization bookstores will will get copies of those final reports
Speaker 1: and recommendations. And so that's how we will shape loblic policy.
Speaker 1: Brother So what we do the objective is to brother
Speaker 1: believe is not collect the black Peggy Bridge rose and
Speaker 1: white vehicles and and white depopulation LGBT, sell out the
Speaker 1: reparations movement and people are gonna be very clear what
Speaker 1: reparations look like. And if you're not at the summit,
Speaker 1: because everybody is invited, then why weren't you there? Why
Speaker 1: didn't you sit down behind closed doors if you want
Speaker 1: complete reparations for the masses of our people. And so
Speaker 1: that's where um uh and like I said it, brilliant
Speaker 1: voices out there. How can my audience, how can my
Speaker 1: audience brother get leaving your information if they want to
Speaker 1: reach out and talk to you uh in the future, um,
Speaker 1: leaving your information because we want to bring this to
Speaker 1: a conclusion. This has been eye opening, It's been enlightening.
Speaker 1: I've learned the just about you know, the reparation movement
Speaker 1: or the strategy and the tactics and the blueprint that
Speaker 1: you humbly put together. And most importantly, I learned the
Speaker 1: amount eighty three three dollars that was calculated for to
Speaker 1: build a generation to change. So my brother lit my
Speaker 1: audience know how they can reach out to contact you
Speaker 1: further information? Well, please call call me. You can email
Speaker 1: me uh National Reparations Institute at gmail dot com, National
Speaker 1: Reparations Institute at gmail dot com, or they can call
Speaker 1: me brother at full four six ft five zero five
Speaker 1: one three again full four six five zero five one three.
Speaker 1: And UH the new website that uh we uh we
Speaker 1: under it will be up in the next thirty days.
Speaker 1: The new website. We had one up for a few years, brother,
Speaker 1: but we gexpanding at the website where you will be
Speaker 1: able to go and do a national pollingm on that
Speaker 1: website all the things that we're selling. But go to
Speaker 1: our website National Reparations Institute dot org, National Reparations Institute
Speaker 1: dot org. Uh that will give you um put you
Speaker 1: in touch with us. And then please go by Malik's
Speaker 1: bookstore and get your copy of the declaration. It is.
Speaker 1: It has been reviewed by scholars, working people, students, and
Speaker 1: we have gotten very good reviews of it is a
Speaker 1: It is a blueprint for complete reparations. Notice I see
Speaker 1: a complete reparation. Read that blueprint, brother, and it will
Speaker 1: put your audience on in the mindset and know where
Speaker 1: we go from here. Not a bunch of rhetoric, but
Speaker 1: now it's time to actually secure reparations for the masters
Speaker 1: of our people. Thank you, thank you for your time,
Speaker 1: Thank you for your energy, brother malif your insight, your creativity, brother,
Speaker 1: and for being the voice for the masses of our people.
Speaker 1: Being man or woman that will open up a bookstore
Speaker 1: for the masses of our people. That is the best
Speaker 1: educational center and institution that we could have in our community. Brother,
Speaker 1: and you have been doing that for more than a
Speaker 1: couple of decades, and so we're just grateful an appreciative
Speaker 1: that you're their brother, and others and those who support you,
Speaker 1: your family, the employees there, and we're coming to Los
Speaker 1: Angeles to do a full lecture on reparation and a
Speaker 1: open up with a question and answer period. Brother, brother, male,
Speaker 1: we have been blessed. I can't do what the next
Speaker 1: person do. You're doing others, but I am a reparationist
Speaker 1: and it's my job to make sure that at the
Speaker 1: end of the day we complete we we secure complete
Speaker 1: reparations for the masters of our people. That's my job.
Speaker 1: That's that's the front of what the work that we
Speaker 1: do at the National Reparations Call. Please give me a
Speaker 1: call at full four six four five zero five one three,
Speaker 1: or you can call Clark at Lantin University. I'm a
Speaker 1: professor of political science there. Uh just um and I
Speaker 1: can't think of the number full for a old eight
Speaker 1: thousand and um. You will be able to connect with
Speaker 1: me or someone from the Reparations It's wonderful. Thank you,
Speaker 1: my brother, appreciated. Brothers men, I open it and I'm
Speaker 1: sure my audience brother has learned a lot from man
Speaker 1: having at first, you know, hand person just in the
Speaker 1: movement and helping change policy and procedures to bring forth
Speaker 1: a generation to change with reparation. Thank you, brother, Reginald,
Speaker 1: appreciate it. And um reach out when you come to
Speaker 1: l a my brother, so that uh you know, I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to supported us and honored us brother and
Speaker 1: giving us the debastion and an opportunity to share the information. Brother.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna come and we want to make sure
Speaker 1: that we did do something with the books your direction
Speaker 1: and that your hand brother, with your will do your
Speaker 1: readership and your listeners there, We're gonna be coming and
Speaker 1: again we're not gonna spare any issue on reparation. We're
Speaker 1: not coming and talk theory. Your theory is fine, but
Speaker 1: I need to shoot your body. Yes, thank you, my brother.
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