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Speaker 1: What do we have, crysal I got very interesting stories

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Speaker 1: otherwise there will be lots of coming. We'll get mad

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Speaker 1: get mad. Okay, So we have some updates on exactly

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Speaker 1: how much power the National Security State seems to be

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Speaker 1: grabbing post one six, Some troubling indicators there, but a

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders road and op ed about the whole situation

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Speaker 1: that was actually pretty good. So we'll tell you about

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Speaker 1: that major shift in Blue states with regards to COVID,

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Speaker 1: but the White House lagging behind and what Blue state

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Speaker 1: We'll get into that divide in what is driving that.

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Speaker 1: Also excited about the guests we have today first time

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Speaker 1: about a range of things, including that huge like fifty

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Speaker 1: tell you about all of that and how that went down,

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Speaker 1: but we wanted to start. Oh, and we have a

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Speaker 1: a surprise. Yeah, we'll get to that. We'll get to that.

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Speaker 1: So we'll treat. He'll treat for you today to look

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Speaker 1: Of course we've been tracking for months now with the

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Speaker 1: assistance of unusual whales, and that is the push to

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Speaker 1: ban members of Congress from trading stock. One of the

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Speaker 1: biggest obstacles to making any change there is one of

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Speaker 1: the biggest whales herself, Nancy Pelosi. She has been put

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Speaker 1: under enough political pressure now and we'll break down for

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Speaker 1: you exactly how that happened that she has actually shifted

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Speaker 1: this Axios reporting up on the screen. Pelosi buckles pushes

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Speaker 1: She says, I'm a big believer in our committees. There's

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Speaker 1: just to make it really clear, she's saying, like, I'm

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Speaker 1: open to this banning stock trading. We're gonna move, but

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Speaker 1: it has to include the Judiciary in particular and the

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Speaker 1: That being said, her saying that she's open to the

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Speaker 1: one one other thing I do want to say to

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Speaker 1: that's really politically popular that they don't actually want to do,

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Speaker 1: So that's the other thing to be on the look at. Yes, exactly,

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Speaker 1: there's all kinds of legislative shenanigans that can happen. And

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Speaker 1: because most of you agree. It's not just lawmakers, it's

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Speaker 1: their spouses too, family members, all of them. Ban them

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Speaker 1: from trading stock. Yes, I know it's a sacrifice, don't

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Speaker 1: And so, at least to their credit, not going to

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Speaker 1: hear this often. But Senator Warren and Senator Steve Daines

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Speaker 1: file a Stockman bill. That's part of what you would see,

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Speaker 1: wasn't even as far reaching family members. Yeah, it wasn't

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Speaker 1: Here again bipartisan effort, which is great to see and

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Speaker 1: But all of those caveats aside, I think we have

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Speaker 1: As always, we have to give huge credit to unusual

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Speaker 1: He actually put out a timeline. It's kind of fascinating

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Speaker 1: to me. It's almost exactly a year ago, Crystal, that

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Speaker 1: Whales Senate report about people who beat the stock market. Wow.

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Speaker 1: So January twenty twenty one is when he first put

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Speaker 1: I'm not taking whole credit for this. Obviously he's the

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Speaker 1: people who watch our show, young people who posted it online,

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Speaker 1: the TikTok traders who copied Nancy Pelosi because they know

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Speaker 1: We knew it was corrupt. It was the most glaring

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Speaker 1: all of you, really, you know, all of us, I

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Speaker 1: willing to say the quiet part out loud. Senator Tommy

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Speaker 1: know we've been warning against. There's two directions. You can go,

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Speaker 1: and you can go towards the police state, where everybody's

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Speaker 1: mistrusted and every piece of misinformation is cause for concern

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Speaker 1: and cause for a lockdown and justifies handing more power

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Speaker 1: to the very people who have failed us at the

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Speaker 1: most critical times in American history. That's one direction. Or

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Speaker 1: the other direction, which seems increasingly unlikely that we go in,

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Speaker 1: is that you actually have enough trust in your fellow

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Speaker 1: citizens that you think they can handle existing in a democracy,

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Speaker 1: even when they're wrong, even when they say crap, that's

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Speaker 1: crazy and silly and just you know, totally inaccurate, but

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Speaker 1: that you have to accept that sometimes in a democracy,

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Speaker 1: with the free flow of information that is going to

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Speaker 1: and people who have different eyes ideas about the direction

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Speaker 1: that the country should go in, that that is ultimately

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Speaker 1: going to be the GST. That's what it means to

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Speaker 1: live in liberal society. And look, let's take it. Let's

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Speaker 1: take it as you know far as we can. When

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Speaker 1: the CIA spokesperson State Department, excuse me, tells us that

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Speaker 1: they have intelligence that the Russians are planning some Alex

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Speaker 1: Jones false flag information and we don't believe them and

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Speaker 1: we laugh at them here on our show. Is that

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Speaker 1: an act of terrorism by sowing discord and undermining public

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Speaker 1: trust in the US government? I mean under their definition, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that is that enough to put us on a list,

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Speaker 1: to subject our communications to surveillance, all of it, and

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Speaker 1: they subpoena our communications. I mean, look, I know I

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Speaker 1: may sound paranoid, but this is for real, and actually

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Speaker 1: this is also how it works in many other countries.

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Speaker 1: So do not underestimate that this could ever get this far.

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Speaker 1: Same whenever it comes to Afghanistan. I mean, they lied

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Speaker 1: to us for twenty years. I mean, and we saw

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Speaker 1: the proliferation of false or misleading information sown by the government.

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Speaker 1: What are we supposed to do whenever you're exposed what's

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Speaker 1: happening there? Is there? You know, is the State now

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Speaker 1: saying that by questioning their narrative on the ISIS drone

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Speaker 1: strike originally was that, you know, sowing discord and creating

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Speaker 1: tensions that are leading to terrorism. This is the point,

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Speaker 1: which is that what is worse the government lying or

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Speaker 1: us exposing the lives of the government and you understanding

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Speaker 1: the lives of the government. I'm gonna go ahead and

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Speaker 1: say the first. But when the government says that by

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Speaker 1: exposing and understanding that that you are then complicit in

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Speaker 1: feeding you know, terrorism narratives, that is insane. They want

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Speaker 1: to try and do this. The only good news I

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Speaker 1: could say is that people are waking up. That's what

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Speaker 1: happened on Afghanistan, That's what happened to with Ukraine. The

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Speaker 1: vast majority of the public is I don't believe you.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe you for a second. Oh you say

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Speaker 1: the Russians are doing X, Y and Z, prove it.

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Speaker 1: Release the video, release the pictures. Release here intel, I'll

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Speaker 1: assess it for myself. Until then, you have no credibility

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Speaker 1: here whatsoever. And that's what they're responding to. But they're

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Speaker 1: calling us terrorists essentially when in this memo, it's deeply disturbing, Crystal,

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Speaker 1: and it leads to how many things have we shown

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Speaker 1: you here? The DHS secret unit, which spies on journalists,

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Speaker 1: the Capitol police, which is spying on members of Congress

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Speaker 1: and staff, and which we'll get to a specific allegation

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Speaker 1: in a second. You know, sending you know, Gestapo agents

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Speaker 1: to people who are like, I'm going to get in

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Speaker 1: trouble for that one. But sending people I was laughing

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Speaker 1: at the Marjorie tails. Yeah much. Sorry, I'm sorry, Marjorie.

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Speaker 1: Come on, you know, read a book, sweetheart. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what to say. But like dispatching agents, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the Capitol police, from the Capitol police, local sheriffs

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Speaker 1: to a left wing podcaster who likes a tweet which

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Speaker 1: is supposedly attacking AOC, these are real things that have happened.

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Speaker 1: You and I lived through a full blown occupation of

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Speaker 1: the US Capitol post January sixth. For months we had

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Speaker 1: fences and military personnel in the streets for literally no

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Speaker 1: reason because of a QAnon thing that was planned in

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Speaker 1: March or whatever. Hundreds of millions of dollars, not a

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Speaker 1: single question as to whether that was a good use

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Speaker 1: of taxpayer funds or you know the time of our

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Speaker 1: brave National guards men and women. Well, it also came

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Speaker 1: months after there was a deep justified concerns about militarizing

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Speaker 1: the streets over the George Floyd program. But there wasn't

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Speaker 1: a peep out of a lot of you know, the

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Speaker 1: same people who I would submit had very justifiable concerns

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Speaker 1: about that potential direction in the Trump administration. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: when it was in response to January sixth, there was

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Speaker 1: no colic debate about it. Oh that's right, And I

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Speaker 1: mean on the Capitol Police front, this is where I

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Speaker 1: always have to reiterate this. Remember, they are not subject

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Speaker 1: to a Freedom of Information Act, so that we have

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Speaker 1: no clue what they are doing unless Congress itself gets

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Speaker 1: his act together and investigates them. And I, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm very troubled by this. And look, I don't trust

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Speaker 1: a lot of members of Congress. Many of them are

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Speaker 1: willing to lie for nefarious purposes. So look, I'll give

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Speaker 1: you all sides of the story. So let's put this

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Speaker 1: up there on the screen. Congressman Troy Nell said an

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Speaker 1: allegation on Twitter that the Capitol Police Intelligence Division investigated

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Speaker 1: his office illegally and that one of his staffers caught

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Speaker 1: them in the act. So here's what he says. On

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Speaker 1: November twentieth, twenty twenty one, Capitol Police entered my office

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Speaker 1: without my knowledge and photographed confidential legislative products protected by

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Speaker 1: the Speech and Debate Clause enshrined in the Constitution, Article one,

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Speaker 1: section six. Two days later, a November twenty second Thanksgiving

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Speaker 1: weak three intelligence officers attempted to enter my office while

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Speaker 1: the House was in recess. Upon discovering a member of

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Speaker 1: my staff, agents dressed like a construction workers began to

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Speaker 1: question him as to the contents of a photograph taken

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Speaker 1: illegally two days earlier. Capitol Police never informed myself or

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Speaker 1: senior level staff of their investigation and the reasons they're clear.

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Speaker 1: They had no authority to photograph my office, let alone

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Speaker 1: investigate myself for members of my staff. So why is

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Speaker 1: the Capitol Police leadership molitilessly investigating me in an attempt

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Speaker 1: to choice me and my character? Maybe because I've been

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Speaker 1: a vocal critic to Speaker Pelosi, the January sixth Committee,

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Speaker 1: and the Capitol Hill leadership. Now to be clear, Capitol

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Speaker 1: Police says that the congress Man is completely full of it,

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Speaker 1: So let's put this up there on the screen. The

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Speaker 1: chief says that the Congressman left his door open during

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Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving During the Thanksgiving holiday quote open and insecured,

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Speaker 1: and that an officer conducted a security check of a

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Speaker 1: door that was left open and that's all that happened. Now, look,

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Speaker 1: like I said, hard to say, but he has a

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Speaker 1: very specific allegation there in terms of taking photos, dressing

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Speaker 1: and outfits intelligence to construction workers. That's the part, pretty

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Speaker 1: high browery thing. That's the part that gets me. Look,

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Speaker 1: it could be totally made up. I have no idea,

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Speaker 1: but you know, to have an allegation like this, and

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Speaker 1: then the Capitol police explanation actually doesn't make a lot

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Speaker 1: of sense. They said that they entered his office because

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Speaker 1: the door was open. Yeah, maybe, I mean, but that

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Speaker 1: sounds a lot like when the police are like, oh

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Speaker 1: we saw like a plastic bag on the floor or whatever.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's like, you know, it could be making

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Speaker 1: justific right, making up pre explained if there were they

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Speaker 1: taking photos, costumes involved cost photographs. What we can say,

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Speaker 1: not knowing which side in this particular incident to particularly trust,

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Speaker 1: but we can say that the Capitol Police has definitely

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Speaker 1: claimed more power for themselves in the wake of January six,

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Speaker 1: which is of course ironic given that they were the

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Speaker 1: primary failures on January sixth. They have had an increase

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Speaker 1: in their budget, They've opened field offices across the country,

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Speaker 1: and their intelligence division, as the entire Capitol Police unit

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Speaker 1: is not subject to FOYA, So it's very hard to ultimately,

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Speaker 1: you know, for journalists gets to get to the bottom

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Speaker 1: of our right, what the hell is happening here? Is

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Speaker 1: this true? You know, what's this is his allegation. Let's

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Speaker 1: see the relevant documents involved to figure out what exactly happened.

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Speaker 1: So it's deeply troubling that they have claimed more authority,

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Speaker 1: claimed more power, claimed more budget, expanded their operations because

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Speaker 1: they are so unaccountable that it you know, even beyond

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Speaker 1: what the FBI and CIA are doing, it's very different.

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Speaker 1: It's impossible to know what is going on with them

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Speaker 1: exactly exactly. We have no idea what's happening. And you

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Speaker 1: put this in concert with the DHS memo and you see,

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Speaker 1: look a very clear effort. We ran that story here

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Speaker 1: about the FBI, not noticed very much by the media,

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Speaker 1: but the FBI is surveilling and conducting routine background checks

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Speaker 1: along with Capitol Police of guests of members of Congress,

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Speaker 1: compiling dossiers on people who were just constituents going to

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Speaker 1: meet with their member of Congress, right, no allegation that

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Speaker 1: is QAnon cranks, even that they're just like regular people

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Speaker 1: who want to meet with their member of Congress. They're

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Speaker 1: right as a United States citizen in order to meet

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Speaker 1: in the office of with their representative, duly elected by

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Speaker 1: them the people. I mean, I know I sound a

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Speaker 1: little bit dramatic, but like that is really what it

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Speaker 1: comes down to. I mean, the Capitol Police and these

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Speaker 1: people say, oh, they're doing it in order to keep

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Speaker 1: members safe. I mean they're investigating the members themselves, compiling

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Speaker 1: dossier's on what's happening. We also during the whole January

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Speaker 1: sixth thing that the Capitol Police and the FBI had

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Speaker 1: used warrantless surveillance techniques by pulling numbers off the cell

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Speaker 1: tower in order to pull the phone records of members

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Speaker 1: of Congress. Once again, look, you can think that's justified,

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Speaker 1: get a warrant. I mean, I don't know what to

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Speaker 1: tell you. These are duly elected representatives. Now, look, I

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Speaker 1: think we should all have the same constitutional protection and

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Speaker 1: right to privacy, but especially whenever we're talking about high

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Speaker 1: government officials, we have a very ugly history in this

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Speaker 1: country of security agencies and services violating far beyond their

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Speaker 1: mandates in order to exercise power in the deep state,

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Speaker 1: you know, Hoover and all that. I don't have to

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Speaker 1: be the first one to tell you. So this is

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Speaker 1: very scary. And the real scary part is that the

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Speaker 1: establishment is behind this definition of terrorism. That's all it

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Speaker 1: takes is that little opening for them to go ahead

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Speaker 1: and open up all these units and billions of dollars

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Speaker 1: in appropriated money for terrorism. Remember the Patriot Act. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it was a joke. Crystal people in law enforcement that

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Speaker 1: I know would tell us about like, oh yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: we would just say the guy has a Muslim connection

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Speaker 1: just to have funding or whatever they gain the system

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Speaker 1: and the dollars. That's what this is all about. So

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Speaker 1: now if they look at our looking at domestic terrorism,

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Speaker 1: they can classify you as that they can have immense

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Speaker 1: more resources from the Department to go and investigate you

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Speaker 1: under whatever pretext that they want. They can invent it. Well,

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Speaker 1: and here's the big picture is you have a population

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Speaker 1: that is very unhappy and very restless, and you know

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Speaker 1: the numbers in terms of trust and government or like

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Speaker 1: historic lows of every single institution. And so if you

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Speaker 1: are one of those people who is in the existing

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Speaker 1: power regime, you're asking yourself, how do we keep our

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Speaker 1: grip on this thing? When you have an increasingly restless, angry,

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Speaker 1: dissatisfied public that's seeing through the ruse that is done

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Speaker 1: with the sort of neoliberal order that we've had for decades. Now,

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Speaker 1: how do we keep our grip? And when you have,

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Speaker 1: you know, when you're putting out bulletins that are saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: if you're a post us, then you might be subject

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Speaker 1: to surveillance, you might be actually a threat, a dangerous threat.

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Speaker 1: That's a really ugly direction to go in. And you

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Speaker 1: can see how how it could happen when you have

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Speaker 1: people who are desperately trying to keep a hold on

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Speaker 1: power and a lid on an increasingly angry and dissatisfied populace.

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Speaker 1: And that's how you end up in a really ugly place.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely all takes is one thing. Okay, let's go ahead

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Speaker 1: and move on here to the gop Cable News loves

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Speaker 1: this story. We'll try and give you all sides of

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Speaker 1: it so you will recall, I think it was on

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Speaker 1: our Thursday show last week we put up on the

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Speaker 1: screen the Trump statement in which he called out Mike

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Speaker 1: Pens He said he was a coward for not disputing

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Speaker 1: the results of the election. Obviously, he's like totally bonkers

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Speaker 1: and it was crazy, but it actually proceeded. As I

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Speaker 1: said in the show, penns is set to give was

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Speaker 1: set to give a speech in Florida, or Land Disney

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Speaker 1: actually at the Federalist Society convention, where he gave a

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Speaker 1: robust response to Donald Trump, and it was I'll give

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Speaker 1: it to him. I mean, look like it was the

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Speaker 1: strongest repudiation I have seen on this specific element. Let's

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Speaker 1: take a lesson. But there are those in our party

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Speaker 1: who believe that, as the presiding Officer over the Joint

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Speaker 1: Session of Congress, that I possess unilateral authority to reject

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Speaker 1: Electoral College votes. And I heard this week the President

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Speaker 1: Trump said I had the right to overturn the election.

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Speaker 1: President Trump is wrong. I had no right to overturn

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Speaker 1: the election. The presidency belongs to the American people and

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Speaker 1: the American people alone, And frankly, there is no idea

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Speaker 1: more on American then the notion than any one person

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Speaker 1: could choose the American president under the Constitution. I had

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Speaker 1: no right to change the outcome of our election, Will

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Speaker 1: said mister Vice President. Uh. Very interesting. Obviously, you know

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Speaker 1: Cable had a heyday with that one. It was like

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Speaker 1: Pence declares war or on Trump. Look, I mean, in

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Speaker 1: a way, this is the least you could expect from Pence.

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Speaker 1: I mean Trump literally hung him out to dry on

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Speaker 1: January sixth out of capital, channing for his deaths all this.

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Speaker 1: So look, I mean, I obviously acted honorably on January sixth,

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Speaker 1: and I think you know he continues to do so.

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Speaker 1: That being said, if you think that Pence is going

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Speaker 1: to be the GOP nominee for president, I have a

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Speaker 1: bridge to sell you. I mean, people the Democrat or

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Speaker 1: the Republican pace loves Trump. They don't care about January sixth, period,

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Speaker 1: They genuinely do. They probably don't look at Mike Pence

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Speaker 1: as a trader outside of the hardcore MAGA faithful, but

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Speaker 1: they're like, oh, he didn't stand with Trump like when

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Speaker 1: it mattered, or he's not a fighter like Urman Trump.

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Speaker 1: He will not win absolutely one period. But it shows

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Speaker 1: you the growing fissures within the GOP because right after

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Speaker 1: that what ended up happening is that the RNC has

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Speaker 1: gone ahead and censured Congressman Adam Kissinger and Congresswoman Liz

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Speaker 1: Cheney for their role in the January sixth Select Committee

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Speaker 1: authorizing subpoenas, you know, turning it into like this whole

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Speaker 1: circus on Capitol Hill that CNN and all these other

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Speaker 1: people can't get enough of. So the censorship of that

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Speaker 1: included the line legitimate political discourse. So this was something

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Speaker 1: which has been made a lot of But I went

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Speaker 1: ahead and I read the actual censor, the censor language crystal,

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Speaker 1: and they were not responding to the you know, the

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Speaker 1: riot and the insurrection or whatever you want to call

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Speaker 1: it itself. They were saying, like a protest is a

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Speaker 1: legitimate form of political discourse. I mean that is true. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't mean obviously in this context we see what

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Speaker 1: they're doing, Okay, but I mean I hear you know

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Speaker 1: how many times after your riot is the voice of

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Speaker 1: the unheard during Black Lives Matter protests. All I'm saying

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Speaker 1: is it's very clear here we can dial we can

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Speaker 1: delineate what's happening, and if from the RNC, they're obviously

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Speaker 1: trying to whitewash what happened on January sixth, no question

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Speaker 1: about it. That being said, Liz Cheney and Adam Kissinger

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Speaker 1: are serving on the committee at the behest of the

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Speaker 1: Democratic and of Nancy Pelosi. I mean, I don't think

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Speaker 1: they're acting I mean, honorably or whatever. I think they're

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Speaker 1: trying to save their career. I think it's disgraceful that

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Speaker 1: the only decent thing that Liz Cheney has done in

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Speaker 1: her entire career is the thing that gets her censured. Seriously,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it just shows you how hollow the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party is. I mean, they literally are running on no platform,

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Speaker 1: as we've talked about many times, and so even though

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Speaker 1: like all of their worst and longest held beliefs, Liz

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Speaker 1: Cheney is one hundred percent on board with the one

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Speaker 1: thing that she did of like being honest about what

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Speaker 1: happened on January sixth and condemning Trump for his disgraceful

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Speaker 1: role in that day, is the thing that gets her

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Speaker 1: kicked out of the party. I mean, and also, obviously,

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Speaker 1: like the Democrats, the fact that they love Liz Cheney

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Speaker 1: even though she has all of these horrific, odious views

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Speaker 1: kiss her hands totally counter to what the party is

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Speaker 1: supposed to be about. But you know, for them, for

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Speaker 1: especially the elites of Democratic Party, is all copses down

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Speaker 1: to where do you stand on the issue of Trump?

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Speaker 1: And so Trump has just totally rotted the core of

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Speaker 1: both of these parties. On the Pence comments, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I want to give him credit. I think

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Speaker 1: he said it very clearly. I think it was a

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Speaker 1: strong statement, unequivocal. You like to see that. I'll also

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Speaker 1: say that I think Trump's comments forced his hand where

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Speaker 1: he realized he couldn't play this sort of like play

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Speaker 1: both sides, you know, because initially after January sixth, it

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Speaker 1: seemed like, all right, there's going to be a very

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Speaker 1: clear break here. Then afterwards he sort of tried to

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Speaker 1: have his foot in both camps of the I was

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Speaker 1: honorable on January sixth, but also I still like Trump,

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Speaker 1: and Trump by putting out that statement calling him macoward

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Speaker 1: and all of that, he realized, like, I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to be able to have it both ways. So this

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Speaker 1: is my only play left is to actually lean into

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Speaker 1: you know the fact that this was not good and

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Speaker 1: I did the right thing, mister president. I think you're right.

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Speaker 1: You know. The interesting part too, is this has exposed

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Speaker 1: a big fissure here in Washington in terms of Mitch

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Speaker 1: McConnell and Kevin McCarthy. McCarthy actually supported the censure of

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Speaker 1: Liz Cheney Adam Kissinger. Obviously they're in his conference, but

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Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell actually spoke out against it. Let's take a

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Speaker 1: listen to that. Well, let me give me my view

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Speaker 1: of what happened January the sixth, and we're all we're here,

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Speaker 1: we're here, we saw what happened. It was a violent

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Speaker 1: insurrection for the purpose of trying to prevent the peaceful

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Speaker 1: transfer of power after a legitimately certified election from one

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Speaker 1: administration to the next. That's what it was. With regard

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Speaker 1: to the suggestion that the RNC should be in the

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Speaker 1: business of picking and choosing Republicans who ought to be supported, Traditionally,

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Speaker 1: the view of the National Party committees is that we

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Speaker 1: support all members of our party, regardless of their positions

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Speaker 1: on some issues. So obviously, having a Senate Minority leader

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Speaker 1: on your side, that's a big fissure. I mean, it's interesting,

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Speaker 1: you know, Like I said, I have no sympathy for

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Speaker 1: the stop the Steal wing of the party whatsoever. I

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Speaker 1: think you're absolute cranks, and you know you made your

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Speaker 1: bed and Georgia shows you that doesn't particularly work out

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Speaker 1: so well. What I find is annoying about this is

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Speaker 1: it's just clear to me and Crystal, Liz Cheney, Adam Kissinger,

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Speaker 1: you guys are Democrats. Now, it's fine. Just accept it.

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Speaker 1: Like the central dividing line is Trump. You guys are

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Speaker 1: on the other side of that. I think that's okay.

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Speaker 1: I wish it wasn't that way. If our politics could

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Speaker 1: transcend that I would be happy about it. But that's

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Speaker 1: just simply not the way that it works right now.

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Speaker 1: In terms of the base. We were talking about this

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Speaker 1: earlier with Jonah Goldberg on the CNN thing trying to

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Speaker 1: define conservatism towards something that the majority of people who

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Speaker 1: identify as conservatives and the Republican Party do not agree

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Speaker 1: with you on. And if you're out of step, it's okay.

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Speaker 1: I am too. I long ago accepted it. I do

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Speaker 1: my own thing here on the show. I don't know

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Speaker 1: why it's so hard for people to try and pull

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Speaker 1: it in a direction that the majority of their people

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Speaker 1: don't agree with them in. Even if you do find

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Speaker 1: that belief odious, do you know what I mean I do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you could look at it from

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Speaker 1: the other perspective. Just to be fair here, I don't

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Speaker 1: have any sympathy with Janey. I just want you to know.

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Speaker 1: But you know, from her perspective, she's thinking, well, the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party shouldn't just be about Donald Trump. It should

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Speaker 1: be about my commitment to war, and war's for the rich.

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Speaker 1: That's what it should be about. And so I mean,

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Speaker 1: I guess whatever she also is has obviously a like

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Speaker 1: media play here. Her profile among the sort of media

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Speaker 1: establishment has been highly elevated. So it's not like this

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Speaker 1: has been all bad for her. This has been in

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Speaker 1: certain ways depending on whatever it is she wants to

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Speaker 1: do next. If she wants to go sit on a

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Speaker 1: board of Halliburton or sure yeah, Boeing or whoever, then

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Speaker 1: she'll be able to do that. On the McConnell thing,

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Speaker 1: let me say this about him, which is that this

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Speaker 1: man has no principles or values. So get that out

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Speaker 1: of your head right now, that this is like principal

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Speaker 1: stand from Minch McConnell. What he's pissed about is he's like,

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Speaker 1: let the freaking Democrats run around and talk about January

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Speaker 1: sixth all day and have the public understand that they're

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Speaker 1: not focused on the problems that the public is most

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Speaker 1: concerned about day to day. What are you all doing,

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Speaker 1: like jumping into this January sixth censure insurrection debate and

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Speaker 1: putting our you know, very likely massive gains at risk

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Speaker 1: for the fall. This isn't what we should be talking about.

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Speaker 1: That's what he's pissed about, is that this is stupid

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Speaker 1: politically to bring up this crap and start this fight

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Speaker 1: and have this big debate. You know, in the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party about January sixth, they were in much better position

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Speaker 1: when they were just letting the Democrats hang themselves down

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Speaker 1: to dry. And so that's what McConnell is mad about.

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Speaker 1: He's mad that this is politically like completely brain dead

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Speaker 1: for them to be going in this direction of these

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Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell, which is, look, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: is Trump's party. I just think anybody who's a Republican

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Speaker 1: needs to accept that. And I say this again with

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Speaker 1: my own idea that this is terrible. That's why I

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Speaker 1: will want nothing to do with it. But if you're

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Speaker 1: in it, that's what the majority of Republicans believe, and

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Speaker 1: they voted, and they've told you that a million times.

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Speaker 1: Hence the RNC shenanigans. It is all about Trump and

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Speaker 1: his personality, period, and it's putting up a middle finger

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Speaker 1: to the left. If you have any higher aspirations or

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Speaker 1: beliefs than that, I don't know what to tell you.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know a single data point that you

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Speaker 1: can point to that would show you opposite. I mean

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Speaker 1: the idea that it's about anything bigger or ideas policy.

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Speaker 1: Let's go, let go accept the reality. It's okay, you know,

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Speaker 1: you can hang out here with people who are disgusted

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Speaker 1: by everybody. But and I still maintain that's the actual

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Speaker 1: center of the American public. But you look at this

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Speaker 1: and you see what's happening within the GOP. Is it

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Speaker 1: sad and clownish? Yeah, But also the people who are

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Speaker 1: fighting against it. I don't know, man, I feel like

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Speaker 1: just as sad, as clownish as everybody else. It's very impotent,

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Speaker 1: that much, I will say. And then it's hard to

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Speaker 1: get behind them when the values that they want to

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Speaker 1: restore in the Republican Party are so like odious and

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Speaker 1: have been completely destructive to the country, and that just

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Speaker 1: gets completely sanitized and lost in the media coverage of this.

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Speaker 1: And it's just, yeah, the media is brain did here too,

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Speaker 1: of like, it's just which side or you want. If

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Speaker 1: you're posed to Trump, then you're a good person. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter all the like crimes you've committed, errors you've made,

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Speaker 1: and since you've you've you've had in the past, that's

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Speaker 1: the only thing that ultimately matters. So again, I just says,

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Speaker 1: incentives that people have versus you know, imagining that Mitch

857
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: McConnell is suddenly like a voice of reason or principle

858
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: in any of that. All right, guys, some a few

859
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: different developments that we wanted to bring you out of Ukraine.

860
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: The first one is really troubling. Let's go and put

861
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: this up on the screen. So the Military Reporters and

862
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: Editor Association is formally asking the Defense Department to allow

863
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: journalists to embed with the US troops that have been

864
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: selected to deploy to NATO's Eastern flank. What is going

865
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: on here is that typically when there's a military deployment, reporters,

866
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: some number of reporters are allowed to embed with the

867
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: troops to get a view from the front lines. Now,

868
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: let me say, oftentimes those reporters end up being just

869
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: complete stenographers and propagandas for the US government, but it's

870
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 1: better than nothing. And bizarrely, with this deployment to Eastern

871
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: Europe in relation to the Ukraine conflict, reporters have not

872
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: been allowed to embed with the troops. This is a

873
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: significant break from longstanding precedent. Obviously, it's troubling. Obviously it

874
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: is dramatically hypocritical given the Biden administration's professed commitment to

875
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: a free and fair press and transparency of course with

876
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: regards to you know, we already knew they were hypocrites

877
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: on this because of their continued prosecution of Julian Assange.

878
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: But you know, given that there is a lot of

879
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: very justified mistrust of the line we've been sold from

880
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: the US government about what exactly is going on in

881
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: Ukraine and what exactly are Russia's intentions. The fact that

882
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 1: you have them denying the ability of reporters to embed

883
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: with the troops is another major red flag and massive

884
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: question mark. No, that's the part I don't really understand,

885
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: which is that I was once in the Pentagon Press

886
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: Corps too. I mean, look, it's standard. Wherever the Secretary

887
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: of Defense goes, you go wherever the troops are. That's it.

888
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: I mean, period hands like end the story. I don't understand.

889
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: So whenever they're stopping embds, you have to ask, what

890
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: don't they want you to see? I mean this was

891
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: actually a long standing practice too. In the War on Terror,

892
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: Crystal we would have these you know, secret deployments in

893
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: Nigeria or Somalia or Syria as well, and reporters were

894
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: not allowed to go. The only reporters who you would

895
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: have to follow were Kurdish guys on the ground, and

896
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: you know, some of them have their own interests too.

897
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: This is the same thing, like, what are we supposed

898
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: to rely on the you know, the Latvian and Romanian press. No,

899
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: that's insane. And just to put it in perspective, I mean,

900
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: even at the height of some of the worst actions

901
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: in the history of the US military, there have been

902
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: American journalists sitting right there Vietnam. Thank I forget is

903
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: Neil Sheen I think was his name. On the front line.

904
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: He eventually won the pet Pulitzer Prize for the Pentagon

905
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: papers or people like who were on the front line

906
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: of the you know, tip of the spear in the

907
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: invasion of Iraq. One of the first convoys had an

908
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: American journalist sitting there in the Humbye I support that

909
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 1: World War Two, there were journalists were flying air missions. Look,

910
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 1: all I'm saying is that if we are going to

911
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: have a war, at the very least, as you said,

912
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: even if they're the worst Pentagon stenographers, it's better to

913
00:47:55,000 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: have NBC news footage than some fake propaganda video the

914
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: news released. Yeah, ned Price, just trust that. Trust us.

915
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: There's a fust flag. I promise Christius, actors, it's happening.

916
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: You don't need evidence. That's what worries me more than anything,

917
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: which is that what don't they want you to see?

918
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, this continues

919
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: to seem I don't want to judge, you know, a

920
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: nefarious intent and all of that and sound too conspiratorial,

921
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: but you're going to come out and make all kinds

922
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: of crazy accusations against the Russians, saying oh, they're planning this, this,

923
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: and this, and release zero evidence and then send troops

924
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: over there and not allow our own pass in order

925
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: to go there. Who are we supposed to rely on

926
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: for accurate It's not conspiratorial, it's just being skeptical, which

927
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: is what you're supposed to be of any institution or

928
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: any person who has a massive amount of power, which

929
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: obviously the US government does. And I also think we

930
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: have to say that if the Trump administration had pulled

931
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: a similar stunt, I think you would have heard about it.

932
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: I mean, there would have been endless cable news panels

933
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: about it and a lot of concern, as there should be.

934
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: But with the Biden administration, it just flies under the radar.

935
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: I mean, there are some mainstream outlets that wrote it up.

936
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to pretend like there weren't, But have

937
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: you seen a cable news segment on this? Have you

938
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: seen people run around your hair on fire about the

939
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: end of the free press when this is truly a

940
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: very troubling development, extremely dangerous. On the other hand, there

941
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: are some glimmers of potential progress maybe that are coming

942
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: from the efforts of French President Emmanuel Macron. Let's go

943
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: ahead and put this tear sheet up on the screen.

944
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: As we've been telling you, Macron has really taken upon

945
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 1: himself to engage in a lot of shuttle diplomacy, talking

946
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 1: to the Russians, talking to Ukrainians, talking to his European allies,

947
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: and of course talking to the US as well. He

948
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: had a meeting with He has told reporters that Vladimir

949
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: Putin actually assured him that Russian forces would not ramp

950
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: up the crisis near Ukraine's borders. So he's saying that

951
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 1: in the meeting that he had there was significant progress

952
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: made and that there was some kind of an agreement

953
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: that Russia would not continue to escalate. His quote was

954
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: I secured an assurance there would be no deterioration or escalation.

955
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 1: That was just before meeting with Ukraine's leader, but gigantic.

956
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: But the Russians are saying that's not true. They're saying

957
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: there was no agreement. We agreed to nothing. Absolutely not,

958
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: although they said, you know, at some point, like those

959
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: troops on the border of Belarus, like those will those

960
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: will come home. So maybe that was an indication that,

961
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: like we're not going to show our hand that we

962
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: actually made a firm commitment because that takes away all

963
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: of our leverage, but also some indication that possibly they're thinking,

964
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: all right, we maybe we need to dial this back.

965
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: Hard to say that. Kron went on to meet with

966
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: the Ukrainian president and has been working with European allies

967
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 1: to try to figure out things here. The other problem

968
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: is that Russia really seems to mostly want to engage

969
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: with the US more than the Europeans. And obviously, you know,

970
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: by US really aggressively inserting ourselves into this situation, we've

971
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: kind of exacerbated that particular dynamic. But these are some

972
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: glimmers of hope. Well, the reason why they want to

973
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: engage with the US because they want it to be

974
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: about great power conflict and they don't want it to

975
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: be about an actual European like you know, decision, local

976
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,240
Speaker 1: national interest, which is why I support the French president

977
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: being the one who is most involved here and practicing

978
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: some shuttle diplomacy. It's your continent, It's way more your

979
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: problem than it is us. Look, we'll back you up.

980
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: You know, if you want to sign some accords or whatever, fine,

981
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: I don't care. But we should not be taking the

982
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 1: most forward most steps in ultimately what is a European conflict.

983
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 1: I also find very interesting crystal that Macron, in speaking

984
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: with the Germans and others with the leaks, are that

985
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: they are much more comfortable with the idea of some

986
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: territory or whatever moving hands, which again just shows you

987
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: that our red lines in the sand are ours from Washington,

988
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: not how the actual Europeans who are most affected by

989
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: this actually feel. I find it particularly just like ironic

990
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 1: that the Biden administration is sending all these more troops

991
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: than the French and the Germans, that we are forward

992
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: deployed to the easternmost flank of NATO, while the French

993
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: president of Western Europe is engaged in a very diplomatic

994
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: process with the Russian president himself. Now, from what I

995
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: can tell, I think this thing is going to take months.

996
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: You know, from what we've seen here Zelenski and Putin

997
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: and the shuttle diplomacy that Macron has been practicing. Putin

998
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: is getting what he wants, which is attention. He wants

999
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 1: respect from the West and from the United States. So

1000
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: Macron and the Biden administration in a way playing a

1001
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: little bit into his hands. But this could result through

1002
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: the Macrone efforts, and especially with more diplomatic action within

1003
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: actual settlement. But just like Crimea, I mean the Minsk

1004
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: Accords of twenty fourteen that took like a year in

1005
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: order to come together, I think it would be very

1006
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 1: very similar development in this time. It's also worth noting

1007
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: because it's important to understand everybody's sort of domestic political considerations.

1008
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: Macron is up for reelection and you know, Europe is

1009
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: facing some of the same inflationary pressures that we are here,

1010
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: in some cases worse, and so I don't know what

1011
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: the numbers are specifically in France full disclosure, but they're

1012
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 1: very worried about energy prices spiking. They're very worried about

1013
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: you know, and when energy prices spike, foods prices spike,

1014
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: everything goes up. That's as Biden is experiencing right now.

1015
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: It's like the worst thing that a president can deal with,

1016
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: especially when you're facing reelection and voters are set to

1017
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: go to the polls very surely. I think the first

1018
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: round starts in like April, so this is you know,

1019
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: this is very pressing, not to mention, I'm sure for

1020
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: him to be to take on this leadership role in

1021
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: a very public and globally recognizable way. I'm sure that

1022
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: also improves his standing with the French people. So he

1023
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: has interests here as well, but those interests seem to

1024
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: push towards diplomacy and de escalation in a way that

1025
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: the mayor interest seem to not. We wanted to also

1026
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: share with you. Bernie Sanders publish an op ed on

1027
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: the situation in Ukraine that I thought was very balanced

1028
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: and pushing things in a good direction. Let's go ahead

1029
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: and put that up on the screen, and he warns

1030
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: about this is what Bernie's good at. He warns about

1031
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: some of the impact of the escalatory rhetoric, not just

1032
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: in terms of bringing us to the brink of what

1033
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: would be a horrific war, but also he warns against

1034
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: the pain that could be inflicted through even levying intense

1035
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: sanctions against Russia. He says the sanctions against Russia, Russia's

1036
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,760
Speaker 1: threat in response to those sanctions could result in massive

1037
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: economic upheaval, with impacts on energy, banking, food, and the

1038
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: day to day needs of ordinary people throughout the entire world.

1039
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: It's very likely that the Russians will not be the

1040
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: only people suffering from sanctions. And by the way, any

1041
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: hope of international cooperation to address the existential threat of

1042
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: global climate crisis and future pandemics would suffer a major setback.

1043
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: He goes on to talk about how concerned he is

1044
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: about the familiar drum beats in Washington, the bellicost rhetoric

1045
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: that gets amplified before every war, and what I really

1046
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: appreciated that he did that is so rare in any

1047
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: sort of American media ecosystem. Is he talked about. Look,

1048
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: Russia is not a good actor here, Like, let's be clear,

1049
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: let's not whitewash that. You know, they have their own

1050
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: territorial ambitions, they are their own imperial power, and you

1051
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: know the state is corrupt and it's run by a

1052
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: bunch of oligarchs and all that stuff, Right, But Russia

1053
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 1: has interests in the region, and to pretend like we

1054
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: would act differently is silly, he says. To put it simply,

1055
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: even if Russia was not ruled by a corrupt authoritarian

1056
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: leader like Putin, Russia, like the US, would still have

1057
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: an interest in the security policies of its neighbors. Does

1058
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: anyone really believe that the United States would not have

1059
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: something to say, For example, Mexico was to form a

1060
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: military alliance with a US adversary. So he explains, Look,

1061
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: you don't have to act like Russia, like they're like

1062
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: he's a good guy, or their intentions are nefarious, but

1063
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 1: you have to understand the way they're looking at this

1064
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: and how we would react if we were put in

1065
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: a similar circumstance. So and that way, I thought it

1066
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: was very important and affected Oh absolutely. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: you guys should remember even Yeltson, who was our Western backed,

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Speaker 1: you know, person he opposed the expansion of NATO in

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Speaker 1: Eastern Europe. I don't think a lot of people remember

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Speaker 1: a lot of these things. I appreciated the Bernie op

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Speaker 1: At as well, the only member so far i've seen

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Speaker 1: of the Democratic Left who is willing to speak out

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Speaker 1: against this. I mean, I know Ihan Omar did as well,

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Speaker 1: but it's important. Look, it can't just be the right

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Speaker 1: wing an anti establishment that talks about this. You got

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Speaker 1: to have people who are inside the coalition who talk

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Speaker 1: about it too, to show the Biden administration be like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you're not going to get one hundred percent support and

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Speaker 1: who I'm afraid of being called like oh, you're a

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Speaker 1: trader and you're useful idiot and whatever. I mean, people

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00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: say that about Bernie anyway, but yeah, right, I thought

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Speaker 1: he laid it out in a very recent way and said, listen, guys,

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00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: diplomacy is the answering here. Let's stop pretending like we

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00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: can play these war game that there aren't going to

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00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: be massive, horrific humanitarian consequences for Europe and for US

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Speaker 1: as well. Yeah. It reminds me of one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite moments of the campaign, when what was it the

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Speaker 1: The Washington Post said that the FBI had warned the

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Speaker 1: Sanders campaign that the Russians liked them or whatever, and

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Speaker 1: he's like, Washington Post tough. He was like, He's like,

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Speaker 1: who owns that again? Where'd that guy go? He's been

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Speaker 1: gone for a long All right, let's go ahead and

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Speaker 1: move on to COVID. We got to start, I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is the fun block, but we had to make

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Speaker 1: it serious. So we'll start with the fun part at

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Speaker 1: the very beginning, which is that the views Sunny Houston

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00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: made some very interesting claims on her show, which just

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Speaker 1: go to show you the brainworms that still exist within

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Speaker 1: the liberal intelligentsia of how they view COVID in the

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Speaker 1: United States. As the national wins are shifting. Let's take

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Speaker 1: a listen. Two point five thousand people are still dying

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Speaker 1: every single day from COVID. Why are we normalizing mass

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Speaker 1: death like that? My friend Medi Hassan tweeted that, you

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Speaker 1: know everyone knows it's to me. You know, we lost

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Speaker 1: both of Manny's parents to COVID, but there was no

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Speaker 1: vaccine at that time, right, you know we know the

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Speaker 1: signs now, well, I still don't understand how we are

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Speaker 1: normalizing two point five thousand deaths a day from COVID

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Speaker 1: and parents aren't vaccinating. We got to ask what percentage

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Speaker 1: of those are unvaccinated because they reserve their individual liberty

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Speaker 1: not to take that vaccine. I think ninety nine. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So she says that we have a one percent death

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Speaker 1: rate of younger Americans. That is not true whatsoever. The

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Speaker 1: actual number is point zero zero eight percent. So once again,

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Speaker 1: these people are dramatically overstating what the actual threat to

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Speaker 1: COVID is to you in your life, especially if you

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Speaker 1: have a dose of the vaccine. And this is wildly

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Speaker 1: out of step with the not just American people, but

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Speaker 1: now the democratic governors of the United States. In some

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Speaker 1: of the bluest places in the country. But where does

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Speaker 1: it come from, Crystal, which is that the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: has missed a tremendous opportunity in my opinion, by not

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Speaker 1: reigning in their CDC and doctor Fauci. So the CDC

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Speaker 1: yesterday effectively rebuked to the Democratic governors. Let's put this

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Speaker 1: up there on the screen. They said, our hospitalizations are

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Speaker 1: still high, our death rates are still high. So we

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Speaker 1: work towards that, and we are encouraged by current trends.

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Speaker 1: We are not there yet. She was asked specifically about

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Speaker 1: the Democratic governors dropping their mask mandates. So you see

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Speaker 1: here that the CDC continues to encourage wearing masks not

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Speaker 1: only indoors but also in public outdoors, which is absolutely

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Speaker 1: bonkers from not just public opinion perspective, but also from

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Speaker 1: a public health perspective, given what they've admitted around cloth

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Speaker 1: masks in their own efficacy. Won't go too far for

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Speaker 1: the YouTube gods. But I find it crazy that the

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Speaker 1: CDC in the White House Joe Biden just tweeted yesterday

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Speaker 1: wear a mask in public, are not clearly trying to

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Speaker 1: get ahead of where not only public opinion as long been,

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Speaker 1: but democratic opinion has been when Connecticut starts dropping its

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Speaker 1: mask mandates, you know, and you're not You're crazy? And

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Speaker 1: in New York, what's happening. Well, first, I want to

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Speaker 1: start by speaking to Sonny's claims here, because I have

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Speaker 1: deep concerns about the anti VAXX misinformation that she's spreading

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Speaker 1: about the efficacy of the vaccines, and the COVID misinformation

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Speaker 1: that she is spreading about the true risk to children.

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Speaker 1: And I say this in ingest. Maybe we should start

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Speaker 1: like a campaign to censor Ben. You know, other other

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Speaker 1: artists should pull their shows from the platform. Can you

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Speaker 1: support that's true? You support this type of COVID misinformation?

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Speaker 1: I think it's outrageous, But I do want to say,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you wonder why you have young people who

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Speaker 1: feel themselves their judgment of their own risk is actually

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Speaker 1: greater than the judgment of elderly people. And you wonder

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Speaker 1: why there are such really super intense feelings about what

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Speaker 1: happens with school shutdowns and what happens with masking in schools.

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Speaker 1: And part of it is because there has been mass

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Speaker 1: media propaganda that has been inaccurate and has not has

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Speaker 1: not helped people truly understand and accurately weigh the risks

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Speaker 1: that exist to their children. There's a cost to that.

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Speaker 1: And there's been this assumption from liberals and from corners

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Speaker 1: of the left that you can't possibly be too safe,

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Speaker 1: that it's sort of okay to have misinformation as long

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Speaker 1: as it's in the direction of overstating the risk of

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Speaker 1: COVID and safetyism, and there's not an acknowledgment that there

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Speaker 1: were costs also to those measures that were taken, especially

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Speaker 1: with regards to our kids. And you know, it really

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Speaker 1: bothers me, this like weaponization of children and her self righteous, like, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm not taking a chance with my kids looking at

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Speaker 1: like people who say, hey, you know, the mask has

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Speaker 1: been great for my kid, and I want the schools

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Speaker 1: to be open, like they don't care about their children too.

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Speaker 1: So I do find that disgraceful and I find it

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Speaker 1: I find it unfair that misinformation that goes in the

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Speaker 1: direction of which I have a major problem with, downplaying

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Speaker 1: the risk of COVID, downplaying the advocacy of the vaccines,

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Speaker 1: all of that, that there isn't the same sort of

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Speaker 1: condemning and concerned and correction on the other side when

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Speaker 1: you're overstating the risk of COVID. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: you're also sonny by saying these sorts of things, is

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Speaker 1: also downplaying the effectiveness of the vaccines. That's the part

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Speaker 1: that you know, when you pretend like now that we

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Speaker 1: have the vaccine, nothing has changed and the risk landscape

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Speaker 1: hasn't shifted at all. That is also sort of like

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Speaker 1: anti VAXX misinformation. Honestly, Oh, of course it's anti vax misinformation,

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Speaker 1: but it's the kind which you know stands is okay, fine,

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Speaker 1: it's allowed to be on air, and it's not a problem.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that pisses me off, Crystal is that

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Speaker 1: this is not about science. They're moving explicitly based on

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Speaker 1: public opinion, and they're even telling us that, let's put

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Speaker 1: this up there. So The New York Times actually put

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Speaker 1: this in its report that Governor Phil Murphy of New Jersey,

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Speaker 1: who actually nearly lost, arranged a series of focus groups

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Speaker 1: across the state to see what they had missed. Check

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Speaker 1: this out. Mister Murphy's advisors were struck by the findings.

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Speaker 1: Across the board, voters shared frustrations over public health measures,

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Speaker 1: a sense of pessimism about the future, and a deep

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Speaker 1: desire to return to some sense of normalcy. Even Democratic

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Speaker 1: voters were wearying of the toughest restrictions, growing increasingly impatient

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Speaker 1: with mandates, feeling ready to live with the risk that remained,

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Speaker 1: and as cases plummeted, the public health dynamics were shifting

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Speaker 1: to That is exactly what this is all about. It's

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Speaker 1: not about the science. It is clearly about the general

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01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: shifting public opinion, not only amongst Republicans and not even Independence,

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Speaker 1: but almost half of Democrats as well. Vast majority of

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Speaker 1: the public feels exactly as you do. And the problem

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Speaker 1: is is that what's now happening is the most about

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Speaker 1: like disgusting about face I have ever seen. And this

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Speaker 1: is best shown in the case of doctor Leanna Wen

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Speaker 1: who she's frequently appeared on CNN. She was one of

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Speaker 1: the first people to push mass for all, including mass

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Speaker 1: mandates across the country, but in recent weeks has been

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Speaker 1: one of the chief opponents of restrictions. Why exactly because

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Speaker 1: she's a party activist and National Review actually did a

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Speaker 1: great write up of this. Let's put this up there

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Speaker 1: just three weeks ago. Just three weeks ago, doctor Leanna

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Speaker 1: Wenn called for a tightening of mask policy, specifically saying

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Speaker 1: that n ninety fives and kN ninety five should be

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Speaker 1: widely distributed and required in crowded indoor public setting. And

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Speaker 1: now just three weeks later, she has gone out and

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Speaker 1: written an op ed in The Washington Post saying that

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Speaker 1: we need to get rid of most pandemic restrictions. Precisely

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Speaker 1: why she says that the science has changed, Crystal. Nothing

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Speaker 1: has changed in terms of the science of the last

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Speaker 1: three weeks. Politics has changed, the polls have changed. Not

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Speaker 1: on but a month ago, Glenn Youngkin was described as

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Speaker 1: a genocidal maniac for giving parents the option to not

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Speaker 1: have their kids wear a mask in school, and the

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Speaker 1: freaks in Northern Virginia continued to go after him for that.

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Speaker 1: But this shows you very clearly that they're trying to

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Speaker 1: create this fake permission structure in elite democratic governance, Crystal,

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Speaker 1: where they can forgive themselves for their past sins. Be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: look it was justified what we thought. And as you said,

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Speaker 1: look a school closure in March. I get it. April,

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Speaker 1: I still get it. May I think Stigillo dicey post summer,

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Speaker 1: I don't get it anymore. But like we can show

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Speaker 1: forgiveness for the early days any American. Can you pulled

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Speaker 1: your kids out of school? And I told you should. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was freaking out. We had no idea what the

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Speaker 1: risk was for kids. At that point. I had ninety

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Speaker 1: five and goggles that I got on Amazon. On Okay,

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01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 1: I was one of those people in early February, but

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01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 1: it was very clear, very quickly what was happening. And

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01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: as the politics change, they continue to change. And the

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Speaker 1: chief opponent to all of this is going to be

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01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: the elite media, the sunny Hastins of the world. And

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Speaker 1: the whole point of this show is to show you

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01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: these people are powerful, yeah, and underestimated. I try to

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Speaker 1: have sympathy for the quote freaks in Northern Virginia as

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Speaker 1: you put it, because they trust people like Sonny Houston.

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Speaker 1: If they want to do it, fine. But there's two

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Speaker 1: There's one part that is noble and understandable, which is

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Speaker 1: that they are genuinely concerned for their safety. They've been

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Speaker 1: misled about the risk to themselves and to their kids,

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Speaker 1: and so that's why they have such a strong reaction.

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Speaker 1: The other part is less noble, which is, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: this sort of class of people, the affluent, suburban nite.

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Speaker 1: Their whole politics consist of like displaying how virtuous they are.

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Speaker 1: There's actually a book out called Virtue Hoarders that's really great.

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Speaker 1: It talks about exactly that we should read this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we should, we should interview this one. That's amazing. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a good way of understanding

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Speaker 1: the sort of politics there where it's all about let

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Speaker 1: me display to you what a good person I am.

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Speaker 1: It's this weird I'm going to talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about this in my monol are today. It's this weird

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Speaker 1: shift from liberal people engaging in things that have like

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Speaker 1: collective action and this kind of like bootstrapping of politics

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Speaker 1: to just be about like I'm a good person. Let

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Speaker 1: me show you I'm a good person, and let me

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Speaker 1: demonstrate that in all the ways I possibly can. And

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Speaker 1: that part is sort of less sympathetic in terms of

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Speaker 1: your commentary on the quote Northern Virginia freak. I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: everyone ill, I've been thinking about it. I'm not trying

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Speaker 1: to give you a hard time. I just did been

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Speaker 1: thinking about it. You know, when people won't come next

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Speaker 1: to me in the grocery store as they got an

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Speaker 1: a ninety box strapped to their face, I'm like, something's

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Speaker 1: wrong with you, lady. I don't know what else to say.

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Speaker 1: Seven and ten respondents have said it's time we accept

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Speaker 1: COVID is here to stay and we just need to

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Speaker 1: get on with our lives. And I think there's a

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Speaker 1: few things. First of all, just the length of time

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Speaker 1: people get used to a certain level of risk two

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Speaker 1: years like normal to accept. There's some additional risk involved

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Speaker 1: in this, having this virus circulating. Omicron is less virulent,

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Speaker 1: less you know, less bad than previous strains in terms

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Speaker 1: of how stick you get, which is great news. And

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Speaker 1: people are vaccinated and so that has significantly, I mean

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Speaker 1: dramatically by tenfold lowered their risk. So one thing that

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Speaker 1: I want to respond to you directly, because this is

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Speaker 1: some of the talking points that aren't there right now,

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Speaker 1: which is true, which is that the death rate is

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Speaker 1: pretty high right now. There's like, you know, a lot

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Speaker 1: of people who are still dying of COVID, but those

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Speaker 1: people are largely unvaccinated and deeply unhealthy. And so if

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Speaker 1: you're vaccinated, then really and you don't have a lot

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Speaker 1: of other comorbidities that put you at dramatic increased risk,

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Speaker 1: you're good. So that's that's the piece that I think,

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Speaker 1: to pretend like nothing has changed even after we got

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Speaker 1: the vaccines is again its own form of anti VAXX misinformation.

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Speaker 1: Well said, and unfortunately this continues to be spewed by

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Speaker 1: the US government. Jensaki continues to say that everybody should

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Speaker 1: be wearing a mask even in schools. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Jen, given that the CDC guideline still remains

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Speaker 1: that masking is recommended in schools. If you are a parent,

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Speaker 1: a teacher, or student living in a state where that

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Speaker 1: is no longer recommended, should you still follow the CDC guideline. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so even if the state is not requiring that you

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Speaker 1: wear masks in the schools. Well, this is where we

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Speaker 1: would advise any American to follow the CDC guidelines. And

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Speaker 1: as doctor Will said and you referenced, they're constantly evaluating, right,

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Speaker 1: because the data is changing, the science is changing. It

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Speaker 1: certainly is positive that case numbers have come down, hospitalizations

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Speaker 1: come down, and they look at all of that information.

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Speaker 1: That's why it's also important to note the difference between

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Speaker 1: leaders who are saying we're going to leave it up

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Speaker 1: to localities, local school districts to make decisions. No parent

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Speaker 1: who wants to send their kid with a mask should

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01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 1: be penalized, No teacher or who wants to wear a

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Speaker 1: mask to be penalized, or a school district. Nobody's being

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Speaker 1: penalized for wearing a mask. That's ridiculous. In fact, it's

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Speaker 1: the opposite the people who aren't. But look, that continues

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Speaker 1: to be the position of the Biden administration, Crystal. They

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Speaker 1: are on the side of twenty five percent of public

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Speaker 1: poject think they've got the worst of all worlds here

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Speaker 1: because they're actually not satisfying the people who are like

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Speaker 1: the Triple that's a good point, right, because they're not mandate,

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Speaker 1: they're not doing anything, so they're not satisfying the base.

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Speaker 1: They're just sort of gesturing towards the base. And then

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Speaker 1: they're significantly which you know, I mean, there could be

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Speaker 1: a political strategy that might make sense of like super

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Speaker 1: energizing the like you know, pandemic lockdown people and getting

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Speaker 1: them to the polls in the fall. I don't think

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Speaker 1: that would work out, but that's one direction. The other

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Speaker 1: direction is to you know, accept that public opinion at

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01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 1: this point is we got to figure out how to

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01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:50,759
Speaker 1: live with this thing and we got to move forward.

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Speaker 1: They're doing neither. And so you know, just one factor

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Speaker 1: in why his polls are now for the first time,

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Speaker 1: the average of polls under forty percent for a p

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Speaker 1: that's a big problem. Okay, I have a big surprise

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Speaker 1: for everybody. I forgot the surprise. Yes, we have exciting

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01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: We have a big surprise for everybody. Crystal, what's the surprise? Okay, So,

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Speaker 1: as you know, there has been something we've decried here

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Speaker 1: at this show, this very caricaturist view of Joe Rogan.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not just talking about that N word compilation,

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Speaker 1: although that is certainly part of it. But his portrayal

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Speaker 1: in the media is he's this like right wing reactionary

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Speaker 1: guy who, yeah, who loves Donald Trump and is a

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Speaker 1: racist and a sexist in all of these things. Now, listen,

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Speaker 1: if you actually consume Joe's podcast, you know he's a

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01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 1: complex guy, and some of the things that he may

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01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, say and engage with one Ben Shapiro is

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01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 1: on might be different than when Andrew Yang is on,

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01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 1: might be different from and We're on. But we asked

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Speaker 1: Matt Orfalia, who's a great sort of video editor, to

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Speaker 1: put together a compilation that shows a more accurate reflection

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Speaker 1: of some of Joe's views. Now, I wouldn't say that

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Speaker 1: this is like a holistic view of Joe either, because

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Speaker 1: he's a complex guy who's heterodox views, sometimes contradictory views,

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01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 1: as we all do. But I would posit to you

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Speaker 1: that this is more a reflection of his actual politics,

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01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,719
Speaker 1: his actual view what you get when you actually consume

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01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 1: his show, than certainly the caricaturish media view that is

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01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 1: out there. That's right. So let's take a listen to

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Speaker 1: Matt's video. I really believe Michelle Obama runs. She might win.

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Speaker 1: She's good, she's great, She's the wife of the best

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Speaker 1: president that we've had in our lifetime. I've never voted

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Speaker 1: right wing in my life. I consider universal basic income

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Speaker 1: a really good idea. I want free college education easy. Hello, Bernie,

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Speaker 1: how are you, Joe? Wonderful pleasure to me too, Thanks

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Speaker 1: to me. I like Talsey and I like Bernie. That's it.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, everybody else can eat shit. Look at you,

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01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 1: fucking progressive. Yeah. I think I'll probably vote for Bernie.

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Speaker 1: I think he's looking out for the interests of the

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Speaker 1: working people, and I think he wants people to have

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Speaker 1: a better life and do better and I'm all for that,

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Speaker 1: and if that means I have to pay more. Intactly,

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01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 1: people think, oh, you're a socialist. I've heard people say that,

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Speaker 1: Oh you're a fucking socialist. Bro Like, First of all,

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01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 1: he's not even a socialist, he's a democratic socialist. It's

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01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 1: a different thing. I would like to spend more in

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01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 1: taxes if they could fix inner city communities and take

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01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 1: these poor neighborhoods. And we just spent a fuckloading, Ben Moore,

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Speaker 1: you fucking promise. Eighty seven percent of scientists said that

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Speaker 1: human activity is driving global warming. I'm very pro choice,

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Speaker 1: I'm very women's rights, civil rights, gay rights, trans rights,

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Speaker 1: I'm even universal healthcare. Obviously, this protected status is driving

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Speaker 1: me crazy. This this thing that Trump's doing with children

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Speaker 1: that were born in the countries and then brought over

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Speaker 1: here as children and then they're talking about deporting them.

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Speaker 1: That drives me fucking great. And the hard right version

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01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 1: of that is despicable. This is these people that I

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Speaker 1: see online. Why didn't they apply it for citizenship? Oh

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Speaker 1: who knows, maybe because they're fucking thirteen. I don't give

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Speaker 1: a fuck. If they broke the law, you don't take

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Speaker 1: parents and kids and separate them. You just fucking don't

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01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,719
Speaker 1: you know. Lonzo no I was like a funny comedian.

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Speaker 1: He said, he goes, not all Donald Trump supporters are racist,

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Speaker 1: but all racists are Donald Trump supporters. That that could

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01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 1: that he definitely awaken this side. But the January sixth

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01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,560
Speaker 1: thing is important. See it is important, but is it

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Speaker 1: the six months later? Is it should be the ruling

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Speaker 1: number one conversation of jo It's really important. And one

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01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: of the reasons why I think it is important because

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01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 1: it highlights the reasons why a guy like Donald Trump

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01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: is so fucking dangerous is because a guy can incite

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01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 1: a bunch of morons to do something really fucking stupid.

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Speaker 1: As far as trans people, some trans people listening to this,

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Speaker 1: I got nothing but love for you, for everybody, and

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01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: in fact, Eddie Iszard is one of my all time

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01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 1: favorite guests. The right wing thing is just an easy

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01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 1: way to dismiss me because I'm not right wing. I

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Speaker 1: can't recommend your book Race Matters enough. So there you go,

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01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 1: meat right wing Joe Rogan. There a little bit different

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01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 1: than the media presentation. Humans are complex, they're dynamic people.

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01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 1: This is not you know, the caricatureist view is ridiculous.

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01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:50,599
Speaker 1: Here's just a little bit of counter to that. Share

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01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: it with your family and friends and show them the

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01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 1: other side of the Joe Rogan that we know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and guys, make sure to subscribe to Matt's YouTube channel

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01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 1: as well and is orf on Twitter. It's like a

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Speaker 1: zero RF. He did a great job, Thank you, Mat,

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01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: phenomenal job. He does great stuff, So thank you for that. Matt.

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Speaker 1: All right, Zager, what are you looking at well? Today's monologue.

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01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: It's a little bit off the beaten path for me,

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Speaker 1: but I've been so engrossed by this story i cannot

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Speaker 1: do my best to just share all my favorite parts

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Speaker 1: with you. The news broke Tuesday afternoon that the Justice Department,

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Speaker 1: in its largest asset seizure ever, has recovered four point

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Speaker 1: five billion dollars in stolen bitcoin and arrested two individual

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Speaker 1: on US soils. So the bitcoins were stolen in the

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Speaker 1: year twenty sixteen from an exchange called Bitfinex out of

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Speaker 1: Hong Kong, and at the time it was an approximately

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Speaker 1: seventy million dollar heist. Now, when you think about bitcoin hackers,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you have the same image of your head

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01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 1: as I do overweight dudes in the basement, neck beard,

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01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: glowing keyboards, all of that. But what if I told

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Speaker 1: you it was these two brooklyn Ish hipsters posing in

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01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 1: front of a tie die mural. Liechtenstein and his wife

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01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 1: Heather Rhon and Morgan are accused by the Department of

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Speaker 1: Justice of helping launder approximately one hundred and twenty thousand

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01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:13,719
Speaker 1: bitcoin worth four point five billion dollars. And this isn't

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01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 1: any old couple either. Mister Lichtenstein is a dual Russian

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01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,879
Speaker 1: American citizen who is actually an alumnus of y Combinator,

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01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 1: which is a prestigious startup accelerator in Silicon Valley. He's

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Speaker 1: a tech entrepreneur who's even gotten funding in the past

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01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:29,600
Speaker 1: from Mark Cuban. But he is by no means the

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Speaker 1: star in this relationship. No, no, no, no, everyone. That

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Speaker 1: honor belongs to mister Lichtenstein's wife, Heather Morgan, also known

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Speaker 1: as a self described surrealist artist and rapper. Rasl Khan

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01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:44,200
Speaker 1: Khan as an heir to Genghis Khan. Now you may

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01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 1: know her from this hit. Let's take a listen, dearest,

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01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 1: must original song is storn Entrepreneurs and packers all the

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Speaker 1: missis and smart puckers. Rassel Khan, the pers better winkm

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Speaker 1: real Kard, don't know where I'm headen, motherfucking crocodile Wall Street.

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Speaker 1: Still brew on my fingers and boots on my feet.

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01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: Always be a goat, not a goddamn sheet. Email me,

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01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 1: fuck y'all. Message at the beat beat beat beat, spirit

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Speaker 1: of the revolutionary power of a dictator. Loved to be contrary,

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Speaker 1: But I'm fly like a gator. I've got pilot blood.

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01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 1: I'm a real risk taker, pirate writing the flood badas

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Speaker 1: money maker, grandmother Crocodile weirder than an ex file, free

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Speaker 1: fire sliver, so it sexting when I leither sparkle on

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Speaker 1: my little finger, hell of rassle ear to ear it

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Speaker 1: pois to throw a singer playing on their worst spirit

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Speaker 1: Rustle Khan, the versus Betta Win come real far, but

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Speaker 1: don't know where I'm headen, motherfucking crocodile Wall Street. Look

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Speaker 1: ima to listen to it, So did you. Morgan also

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Speaker 1: builds herself as a contributor to Forbes, where she's written

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01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: very helpful tips for business owners, including this one. Expert

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01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:02,560
Speaker 1: share tips to protect their business from cyber criminals. What

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01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 1: people did not know that was the true galaxy brain take.

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01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 1: Because she was an expert on laundering billions and billions

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Speaker 1: of dollars. Try to normalize her obviously awful rapping. She

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01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 1: even wrote a piece saying, quote, got burnout, this tech

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Speaker 1: ceo thinks you should try wrapping. All of this is

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01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 1: just the highlight. These were some grade A weirdos. So

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Speaker 1: per Morgan's potential wedding photographer. She even wanted her engagement

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01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 1: photos to include not only her husband and her but

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01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:36,520
Speaker 1: her husband. With the many iterations of her rap persona

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01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 1: requiring a lot of photo editing. These are truly not

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01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 1: sending their best hackers these days. In fact, even in

1484
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 1: the ways that they spent the money was hilarious. They

1485
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 1: bought NFTs and Walmart gift cards. They were apparently having

1486
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: a hell of a time trying to actually launder it

1487
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 1: all without tripping up fraud sensors among regulators. Obviously they

1488
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 1: failed at that, but okay, let's get to the case itself.

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01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 1: The most hilarious part of all of this, especially to

1490
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 1: people in the bitcoin community, is how exactly the Justice

1491
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 1: Department got the bitcoin in the first place. You see

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01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,599
Speaker 1: I don't even have point zero one percent as much

1493
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 1: bitcoin as these people, and I take a lot more

1494
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 1: precaution with my private keys now, the keys being the

1495
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 1: only way that you can actually access your bitcoin and

1496
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 1: transfer them. It turns out that the way the Justice

1497
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:29,520
Speaker 1: Department got the key is because mister Lichtenstein was storage

1498
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:33,759
Speaker 1: storing them in his cloud storage account like an iCloud.

1499
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:37,559
Speaker 1: The keys were apparently so badly encrypted it only took

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01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 1: the government one day to crack the code, at which

1501
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 1: point they took all four point five billion dollars worth

1502
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 1: of bitcoin and transferred them to themselves in their own

1503
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 1: accounts in the largest assets seizure of all time. It

1504
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 1: is a crazy story, and there's obviously more to it.

1505
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 1: There's no way these two are the hackers because they

1506
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 1: weren't charged with that. They were just part of the

1507
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 1: laundering machine. So look, I'm sure there are so many

1508
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 1: other criminals, but just imagine sitting on all that money

1509
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:04,680
Speaker 1: and you can't even spend it. It must have been

1510
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 1: truly a crazy six years while they lived with all

1511
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 1: of that on their chest. In terms of how exactly

1512
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 1: the criminals were caught, it's a very interesting look into

1513
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 1: bitcoin and the blockchain itself. Per the criminal complaint, which

1514
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 1: I actually do encourage you all to read, the FED

1515
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 1: spent nearly five years tracing the stolen bitcoin through the

1516
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 1: Bitcoin ledger on the blockchain, which maintains a record that

1517
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 1: is forever recorded and cannot be manipulated to their eventual destinations. Now,

1518
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 1: the couple, as the fed's a ledge, routed all of

1519
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 1: these funds through thousands of different transactions to try and

1520
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 1: hide their tracks, including converting the currency to different types

1521
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 1: of crypto, opening up fake accounts with fake identities, all

1522
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 1: sorts of other crazy tricks. And the immutable blockchain itself,

1523
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 1: the ledger is actually what allowed the FEDS to slowly

1524
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 1: and surely trace each transaction and end up in the

1525
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 1: right destination. It's actually a fascinating proof of power of

1526
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 1: the blockchain with some lessons. As I already mentioned, if

1527
01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:59,759
Speaker 1: you have bitcoin, don't store your keys in the cloud

1528
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 1: if the FEDS can get them. Soaking malicious thieves like

1529
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 1: the people who stole these bitcoins. But to me, as

1530
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 1: a believer in bitcoin as a hedge against the financial

1531
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 1: system and centralized control, it actually shows me how much

1532
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 1: centralized control still has an ungodly amount of power. The

1533
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 1: precise reason that these idiots weren't able to spend all

1534
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,720
Speaker 1: their bitcoin is because of all the identity protocols of

1535
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 1: the crypto exchanges in the US are required to abide by,

1536
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 1: same with banking regulations, identity verification, even cash withdrawal. Look, obviously,

1537
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 1: all of that is great when it's involved here with criminals,

1538
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,719
Speaker 1: but when we're talking about the proposition of bitcoin itself,

1539
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 1: it still shows that there's a long way to go,

1540
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 1: and it also shows the power of a man over

1541
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 1: something which shows promise but has yet to come to fruition.

1542
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 1: I'll end with a pressient warning from a man nine

1543
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:47,680
Speaker 1: years ago when he wrote on a forum quote, the

1544
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 1: anarchists and the idealists will soon learn the decentralized nature

1545
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 1: of bitcoin won't make a difference if anyone transmitting it

1546
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 1: is in violation of federal law. That's very well said

1547
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 1: and pression indeed, because that man's name was Ill Lichtenstein,

1548
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,719
Speaker 1: and nine years later he was indicted for helping launder

1549
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: four point six billion dollars in stolen bitcoin. How crazy

1550
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 1: is that? He even wrote, He goes, yeah, and if

1551
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 1: you want to hear my reaction to Cyber's monologue become

1552
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 1: a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com. Cristl, what

1553
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 1: are you taking a look at? Well? Friends, I have

1554
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 1: found it the most immaculate, stunningly perfect, created in a

1555
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 1: lab example of woke capital masking a completely odious anti

1556
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 1: worker regressive agenda. You ready for this? So there is

1557
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 1: a new union effort over at Arii in New York City.

1558
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 1: Workers attracted to the company presumably for their progressive language

1559
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 1: and supposedly progressive values, Well, they've decided they want the

1560
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 1: retailer to actually try to live up to those values.

1561
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 1: What's more, Arii is not just a nominally progressive company,

1562
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 1: but it's actually structured like a co op, which you

1563
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 1: would think would indicate some kind of corporate commitment to

1564
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 1: democratic values in the workplace. Oh did Arii welcome this

1565
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 1: new union effort with open arms? Of course not. Not

1566
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 1: only are they rejecting it, but they are doing so

1567
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 1: in the most hilariously revealing way. The company recently released

1568
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:14,600
Speaker 1: a podcast for their workers in order to unleash a

1569
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 1: typical tourret of union busting propaganda, but they put a

1570
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 1: really special spin on it, prefacing their union busting with

1571
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:24,400
Speaker 1: a theatrical woke dance in an attempt to disguise their

1572
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 1: terrible agenda. Here's how it begins. Hi, ARII, my name

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01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:31,719
Speaker 1: is Wont Wallace, and I serve as your chief Diversity

1574
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 1: and Social Impact Officer. I use her pronouns and am

1575
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 1: speaking to you today from the traditional lands of the

1576
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 1: Aloney people. Wilma then introduces her guest ARII CEO Eric Arts,

1577
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 1: who also provides his pronouns and does his indigenous lands

1578
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 1: acknowledgment before smoothly transitioning into his anti union talking points.

1579
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 1: We don't believe. I do not believe that introducing a

1580
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 1: union is the right thing for ARII, and more specifically,

1581
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 1: I believe the presence of union representation will impact our

1582
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: ability to communicate and work directly with our employees and

1583
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 1: resolve concerns that the speed the world is moving, and

1584
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 1: as is the core why we don't think that introducing

1585
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:20,679
Speaker 1: a union is the right thing for our employees. So Wilma,

1586
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 1: allow me to unpack this now, friends, I have seen

1587
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 1: and heard that same anti union propaganda approximately a million times,

1588
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,799
Speaker 1: which just goes to show you whatever political sheen, whatever

1589
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 1: gloss the company decides to paint on themselves. With very

1590
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 1: few exceptions, every one of them is ultimately committed to

1591
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 1: the same things, money and control. But the prize for

1592
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:45,760
Speaker 1: woke union busting this week has got to go to Starbucks.

1593
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:50,080
Speaker 1: We've been tracking the wildfires Starbucks unionization efforts spreading across

1594
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 1: the entire country, and it's truly the worst nightmare for

1595
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 1: the corporate bosses who run that company. Their initial strategies

1596
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 1: from Buffalo push the edge of legality, but were insufficient

1597
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 1: to stop to doors there from unionizing. Now, face with

1598
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 1: a deluge of dozens of stores petitioning for unions, Starbucks

1599
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:09,680
Speaker 1: has decided to veer straight into the most aggressive and

1600
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 1: illegal tactics possible. Specifically, Starbucks has fired seven workers, nearly

1601
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:19,639
Speaker 1: the entire organizing committee at a store in Memphis, Tennessee.

1602
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 1: Those seven workers actually represent more than a third of

1603
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 1: the entire workforce at that store. One of the fired

1604
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 1: workers explained, quote, I was fired by Starbucks today for

1605
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 1: quote unquote policies that I've never heard of before and

1606
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 1: that I've never been written up about before. Starbucks Workers

1607
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:39,799
Speaker 1: United added that many of these workers had no prior offenses,

1608
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:43,439
Speaker 1: no prior write ups whatsoever. The union has filed a

1609
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 1: complaint with the NLRB alleging Starbucks, alleging that Starbucks's actions

1610
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 1: were illegal. Starbucks, of course denies that. Now this sounds

1611
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:53,599
Speaker 1: exactly like the playbook that Amazon has run to halt

1612
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 1: union drives in its warehouses, things like firing organizers Christian

1613
01:25:57,280 --> 01:26:00,920
Speaker 1: Smalls and Daiquon Smith and inventing b U rationales for

1614
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:03,680
Speaker 1: why those workers were let go. The sad thing is

1615
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 1: that these moves are common, and they're often successful. The

1616
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 1: NLRB has limited tools to deal with this kind of lawlessness,

1617
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 1: and disputes over firings can drag out for years, long

1618
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 1: past the time when any remedy would actually matter for

1619
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:19,679
Speaker 1: the union drive at hand, and that's why these tactics

1620
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 1: are employed so routinely. The Economic Policy Institute found that

1621
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 1: companies are charged with breaking the law in forty one

1622
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 1: point five percent of union elections, and that companies were

1623
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 1: charged with illegal firings in nearly one third of NLRB's

1624
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 1: supervised union elections. Contrast these illegal, regressive firings with the

1625
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 1: language and the posturing on Starbucks's website. Their most recent

1626
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 1: blog post there, written by the chump company's chief diversity

1627
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:49,759
Speaker 1: officer recounts the horrors of Jim Crow segregation and includes

1628
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:54,280
Speaker 1: these words, apparently written unironically quote like many Black, Indigenous

1629
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 1: and people of color BIPOC were encouraged to dream big,

1630
01:26:57,560 --> 01:26:59,679
Speaker 1: and then we're taught to keep those dreams to ourselves

1631
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:03,040
Speaker 1: out of fear that someone might question our desire for more,

1632
01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 1: our desire for true freedom and autonomy. Tell me more

1633
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 1: about your quest for freedom and autonomy as you woke.

1634
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 1: Watch for a company that will casually fire its workers

1635
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 1: if they dare to push for any freedom and autonomy

1636
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 1: for themselves. This weaponization of wokeism for aggressive ends, though

1637
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:23,599
Speaker 1: it's not just the domain of corporate America. Their protectors

1638
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 1: and their cronies use the exact same tactics to great

1639
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:30,720
Speaker 1: and disastrous effects. There's a particularly dangerous battle unfolding over

1640
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 1: who's going to occupy Stephen Bryer's seat on the Supreme Court,

1641
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,600
Speaker 1: and it follows the woke capital playbook to a t.

1642
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:41,639
Speaker 1: As we reported before, James Clyburn is aggressively pushing Federal

1643
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 1: District Judge Michelle Childs for that spot. She meets the

1644
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 1: Biden Administration's arbitrary demographic test, and that alone is supposed

1645
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:51,679
Speaker 1: to convince us that she would be a progressive addition

1646
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 1: to the court who might rule in ways that benefit

1647
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 1: the disproportionately black working class, But at every turn she

1648
01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:01,600
Speaker 1: has instead worked in service of her class, exposing the

1649
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 1: real dividing line in politics. She worked for years as

1650
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 1: a management side labor attorney at a famed union busting

1651
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 1: law firm. She won support of Republicans like Lindsay Graham

1652
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 1: and corporate Democrats like Jim Clyburn by fighting for corporations

1653
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:18,160
Speaker 1: to kill claims of discrimination and civil rights violations, a

1654
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:20,720
Speaker 1: commitment that she continued while she was on the bench

1655
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 1: as a judge. Wolk Capital has so perverted our discourse, though,

1656
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:26,600
Speaker 1: that just by dint of her identity, it would be

1657
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 1: extremely difficult even for supposed progressives in the Senate to

1658
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 1: vote against her confirmation. A large swath of the public

1659
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 1: and certainly our elected leaders, can't see that the important

1660
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:39,360
Speaker 1: difference between SCOTIS members isn't their gender or race, but

1661
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 1: how fervently they serve corporate power. Even Senator Shared Brown,

1662
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 1: a reliable pro union vote in the Senate, has been

1663
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:51,680
Speaker 1: pushed into backing Childs, as he told Politico quote if

1664
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:55,720
Speaker 1: she is chosen, I'll be enthusiastic. I've heard things I

1665
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 1: am reassured from clyburn On others that she would be

1666
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 1: a good nominee. Outside progressive groups have mostly granted Child's

1667
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 1: potential nomination with the shrug. One told Politico quote that

1668
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 1: those groups were not interested in creating a problem for

1669
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 1: Biden on this. So your commitment is to the comfort

1670
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,479
Speaker 1: and ease of the most powerful person on the planet.

1671
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 1: What about the problem that childs could create for the

1672
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:23,680
Speaker 1: working class and marginalized people you pretend to give a

1673
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:27,200
Speaker 1: damn about. Just ask yourself this. How could a president

1674
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 1: who promised to be the most pro union president in

1675
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 1: history even consider such a person woke? Corporate identity politics

1676
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 1: are the reason hollow identity politics. These efforts are why

1677
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 1: I have come to see the fetishization of language and

1678
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:44,880
Speaker 1: ineffective anti racist trainings that focus on individual racist sin

1679
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 1: rather than institutional harm as not just empty, but extremely destructive.

1680
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:52,639
Speaker 1: It is no exaggeration to say that the people most

1681
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 1: committed to this direction are the most direct and most

1682
01:29:56,040 --> 01:30:00,640
Speaker 1: potent obstacles to actual change, because the entire ideologies that

1683
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 1: racism is an immutable sin at the founding of the

1684
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:05,760
Speaker 1: country that we can never hope to eradicate. The implication

1685
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:08,439
Speaker 1: is that rather than fighting its effects through union efforts

1686
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:12,160
Speaker 1: and institutional change, we should instead focus on individuals, on

1687
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:15,680
Speaker 1: personal demonstrations of anti racism of the kind that corporations

1688
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 1: are only too happy to employ. Or we should focus

1689
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 1: on individual diversity projects that swap out some white male

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01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 1: elites for some maybe black female ones. These projects provide

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01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 1: something that sort of looks and feels like maybe it's change,

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01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:33,240
Speaker 1: but is in reality just a further entrenchment of existing power.

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01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:36,680
Speaker 1: Barack Obama's hope and change message coupled with an administration

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01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,040
Speaker 1: that was stuffed to the gills with Wall Street lackeys,

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01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 1: that provided the roadmap for every woke corporatist who followed.

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01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:45,799
Speaker 1: You get the money, and you get the elite status,

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01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 1: and you get to wrap yourself in virtue. It is

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01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 1: a great deal for those who benefit from the existing

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01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:53,280
Speaker 1: system and aren't, say, looking to make rent and joined

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01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 1: a union, and you can use your pronouns and your

1701
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 1: diversity language to turn around and accuse anyone who objects

1702
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 1: of being a racist, or a sexist or a transphobe.

1703
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 1: We must understand this ideology and the people pushing it

1704
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 1: as an enemy to be defeated, because it is as

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01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:09,680
Speaker 1: big a reason as absolutely any of that exists in

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01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 1: the world. This country remains so miserable for so many

1707
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 1: people of every color and creed. And I just looked

1708
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 1: at these three stories the ri I think Starbucks, think

1709
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 1: of the language. And if you want to hear my

1710
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:25,720
Speaker 1: reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a premium subscriber. Today at

1711
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 1: Breakingpoints dot com, Johnny has to weigh in on a

1712
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:34,080
Speaker 1: range of topics. We have Jamie Rogozinski. He is the

1713
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:37,800
Speaker 1: founder of Wall Street. That's reddit that you guys probably

1714
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:39,760
Speaker 1: know about. We covered it quite a bit last year

1715
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:42,640
Speaker 1: with gamestock back in twenty twelve, and he also is

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01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 1: the author of a book on that same topic. Great

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01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 1: to meet you, Jamie, Good to see you, Jamie. Nice

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01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:50,280
Speaker 1: to be here, Thank you very much. Of course, So

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01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:52,439
Speaker 1: we wanted to start with an item that's in the

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01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 1: news that I thought it'd be interesting to get your

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01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 1: thoughts on. Let's go ahead and throw this tear sheet

1722
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:58,559
Speaker 1: up on the screen about Julian Assange, the WikiLeaks founder,

1723
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 1: who of course is being prosecuted by the US government

1724
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:04,519
Speaker 1: right now. In an attempted extradition back to the US

1725
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:09,519
Speaker 1: to face prosecution. Here, supporters of him just raised fifty

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01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 1: six million dollars to buy an NFT. They did this

1727
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:18,320
Speaker 1: through what is called a DOW, a decentralized autonomous organization.

1728
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:21,919
Speaker 1: You know, for people who aren't like native to this language,

1729
01:32:22,040 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 1: can you just explain what a DOAO is, what they did,

1730
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 1: what they did with the money, and what's going to

1731
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 1: happen now so people can understand the significance of all

1732
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:33,200
Speaker 1: of this. Yeah. I mean, first of all, NFTs and dows,

1733
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:35,160
Speaker 1: all these different things, they have a definition and they

1734
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 1: all stand for something, right, but that's sometimes not enough

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01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 1: to fully explain it because the definitions aren't fully clear.

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01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:46,479
Speaker 1: NFTs are very frequently related to pictures or artwork or

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01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 1: you know, different pieces of content that somebody creates. But

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01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 1: n FT's and dow's, which are starting to kind of

1739
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:56,799
Speaker 1: intermingle with the same concept, they're blurry. So what happened

1740
01:32:56,800 --> 01:33:01,080
Speaker 1: here with Julian no Sange was to create this community,

1741
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:05,000
Speaker 1: which you arguably probably already had given how much you raise.

1742
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 1: They came together with a common cause and said, hey,

1743
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 1: let's purchase this NFT, this non fungible token a picture

1744
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:14,479
Speaker 1: and image. I haven't actually seen what the content of

1745
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:17,080
Speaker 1: it is, but with the stated purpose of helping him

1746
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:19,479
Speaker 1: out with his legal fees. In other words, it's kind

1747
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 1: of like a crowdfunding exercise for them, right. The idea

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01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:26,519
Speaker 1: of DOW is a concept where instead of having like

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01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:28,640
Speaker 1: a company with a president and he tells everybody what

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01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 1: to do, or a board of directors, you have a

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01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:33,320
Speaker 1: community that comes together and they all vote on what

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01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 1: they want to do, and they can all vote on

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01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:37,960
Speaker 1: how they want to move forward with whatever decisions need

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01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:41,120
Speaker 1: to happen. Yeah, it's really interesting because Jamie, when I

1755
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:43,280
Speaker 1: think about it, Wall Street Betts was kind of a

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01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:46,200
Speaker 1: proto thing for a lot of what's happening in web

1757
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 1: three as one of the people who founded this. Talk

1758
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:52,720
Speaker 1: to us about the evolution of that subreddit and how

1759
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:56,599
Speaker 1: you watch the quote unquote memification and kind of bring

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01:33:56,680 --> 01:34:00,200
Speaker 1: together of ultimately what was a decentralized community back to

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01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:01,720
Speaker 1: the stock market and the way that it did with

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01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:06,120
Speaker 1: game Stop. Yeah, I mean, effectively, the concept of community

1763
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:09,720
Speaker 1: is probably the strongest component currently in the strongest theme

1764
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:11,960
Speaker 1: currently in the world of crypto, whether it be Dows

1765
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:16,320
Speaker 1: and ft projects, tokens, currencies, whatever it might be. It's

1766
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:18,360
Speaker 1: just people that come together with a common interest and

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01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:20,800
Speaker 1: they hang out and they chat sometimes in chat rooms,

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01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:23,920
Speaker 1: sometimes on different social media, and they get excited and

1769
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:26,240
Speaker 1: they learn from each other. They contribute to this particular project.

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01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:28,760
Speaker 1: Wall Street Beets was exactly that, right. It starts off

1771
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:31,760
Speaker 1: as people that are interested in the stock market, that

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01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:34,599
Speaker 1: are interested in taking risk, that don't have any issues

1773
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:38,599
Speaker 1: with taking a little bit of money and risking most

1774
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:40,320
Speaker 1: of it in hopes that they can turn it into

1775
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:43,479
Speaker 1: a lot of money. Right, And as the community was

1776
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:45,760
Speaker 1: established and Boord got out, lots of people are like, yeah,

1777
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 1: that sounds like me. I want to do this too,

1778
01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 1: you know, I'm young, or I was affected by the

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01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight crisis, whatever it might be. And

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01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 1: then it just kept growing by itself organically. And this

1781
01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 1: community what they do is they literally hang out. They

1782
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:01,360
Speaker 1: have fun, They find it exploits that they can try

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01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:05,040
Speaker 1: and take advantage of, you know, and finance. They call

1784
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:07,160
Speaker 1: these things arbitrage or whatever it might be. In this

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01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 1: particular world, they use memes instead of using Excel sheets,

1786
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:14,639
Speaker 1: but it's the same concept. So as the stock market

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01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:17,720
Speaker 1: has been on sort of uncertain grounds lately, a lot

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01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:21,000
Speaker 1: of those meme stocks were the first to take massive hits.

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01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:23,479
Speaker 1: What's your reaction to that, and also, were there any

1790
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:26,160
Speaker 1: sort of like lessons learned out of what happened with

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01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 1: game Stop? You know, the volatility is about to happen

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01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 1: at some point, right. The market's been going up since

1793
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:36,560
Speaker 1: two thousand, I mean for the past fourteen years or so,

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01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 1: it's been going up and up and up, with the

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01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:40,880
Speaker 1: exception of last year. So at some point, sooner or later,

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01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:42,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna have some volatility. We're starting to see a

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01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:45,160
Speaker 1: little bit of that here. Whether it comes or stays

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01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:47,479
Speaker 1: or sorry, whether it goes or stays is anybody's guests

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01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:50,240
Speaker 1: with regards to the memes stocks, it goes, it's the

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01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:53,240
Speaker 1: same exact point, right, they have different catalysts like earning calls,

1801
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:56,240
Speaker 1: whatever it might be lessons learned really depends on what

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01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:57,920
Speaker 1: it is that we're out there to learn. Right, a

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01:35:57,960 --> 01:35:59,640
Speaker 1: lot of people went out there and made money, a

1804
01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:01,360
Speaker 1: lot of Peo people went out there and lost money.

1805
01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:05,960
Speaker 1: And you know, explanations can can can come up with

1806
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:08,760
Speaker 1: people can come up with explanations relatives that well went

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01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:11,040
Speaker 1: down because Robin has stoped trading whatever it is. But

1808
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:12,799
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's just the market

1809
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:15,320
Speaker 1: and it's got its own mindset and sometimes it does

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01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:19,240
Speaker 1: things because of exogeness factors and doudgeness factors. Wall Street

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01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:21,680
Speaker 1: business is largely moved on right, Like it's not. They're

1812
01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:23,600
Speaker 1: not going to sit there thinking about like, well, we

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01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:26,040
Speaker 1: would have done this differently now. They're just looking for

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01:36:26,160 --> 01:36:28,720
Speaker 1: different ways to continue having fun, to continue to try

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01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:32,400
Speaker 1: and find ways to you know, to find free money

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01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:35,760
Speaker 1: in the market or find hyperpensity trades in the market. Yeah,

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01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:38,160
Speaker 1: I think perhaps you know, I always understood this just

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01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:41,000
Speaker 1: from the shit posting angle of it, because I grew

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01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:43,240
Speaker 1: up on the internet. I try not to curse here

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01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 1: that often. But I don't really know what else you

1821
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:47,680
Speaker 1: can describe it. How are you trying to bring that

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01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:50,120
Speaker 1: energy to this new venture which I know we have

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01:36:50,240 --> 01:36:52,320
Speaker 1: a little bit we can put that on the screen,

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01:36:52,479 --> 01:36:56,559
Speaker 1: trying to bring trading stocks into more of a crypto

1825
01:36:57,200 --> 01:37:01,040
Speaker 1: environment and but also obviously using the energy that you

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01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:03,600
Speaker 1: found and instigated in Wall Street bets. How does that

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01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:05,479
Speaker 1: look because this very much looks to me like where

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01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:08,040
Speaker 1: the future is going to end up. Well, it looks

1829
01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:09,960
Speaker 1: very much to me the same thing. Right, that's the

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01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:13,000
Speaker 1: reason why I'm getting involved with this. Look, at the

1831
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:17,479
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's painfully apparent how powerful crypto

1832
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:20,479
Speaker 1: can be. And crypto not to be confused with the

1833
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:23,559
Speaker 1: price of bitcoin or some other coin or a dog coin.

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01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:28,720
Speaker 1: It's the technology, this defied platform, this ability to decentralize interactions,

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01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:34,040
Speaker 1: financial interactions. I don't say transactions because sometimes they're not

1836
01:37:34,439 --> 01:37:39,680
Speaker 1: quite transactions, but there's interactions. And it's incredibly powerful, right,

1837
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:41,519
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of efficiencies and a lot of

1838
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:45,639
Speaker 1: things that crypto does better. So I'll give you an example.

1839
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:48,840
Speaker 1: You could easily make a cryptosynthetic stock or token I

1840
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:52,880
Speaker 1: stock trade anywhere between twenty to twenty four hours a day,

1841
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:55,320
Speaker 1: something that normal stocks should be able to do. In

1842
01:37:55,400 --> 01:37:58,000
Speaker 1: case Elon Musk decides to tweet on a Sunday about

1843
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:01,640
Speaker 1: selling his shares, right, you're able to do that now

1844
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:04,280
Speaker 1: with crypto. It makes perfect sense. When you see something

1845
01:38:04,360 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 1: like that happen on the weekend. Are China saying we're

1846
01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 1: going at default whatever, You can go to your computer

1847
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:11,040
Speaker 1: right there and then not wait until the market's open

1848
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:13,800
Speaker 1: twenty four hours later and actually take advantage of that.

1849
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:17,560
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of efficiency in terms of crowdfunding.

1850
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:20,360
Speaker 1: We've seen studies that look at Wall Street, bets at

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01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:23,240
Speaker 1: the Post and that the various stocks that people discuss

1852
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 1: on there. They've shown that on average they can beat

1853
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:30,679
Speaker 1: the S and P five hundred given their collective ability

1854
01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:33,160
Speaker 1: to come up with different ideas. So why not bring

1855
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:38,640
Speaker 1: that into crypto further democratizes the financial landscape. People are

1856
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:40,720
Speaker 1: all the way around the world can participate in their

1857
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:43,920
Speaker 1: own way. So it's obviously going to be the next

1858
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:46,760
Speaker 1: big thing, and I want to be a part of it.

1859
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:49,880
Speaker 1: So one of the critiques of crypto, because there's a

1860
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:53,840
Speaker 1: lot of idealism around it. I'm an idealist myself, so

1861
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:57,200
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. But one of the critiques is that

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01:38:57,720 --> 01:39:00,920
Speaker 1: you're just recreating like a lot of the old problems

1863
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:04,080
Speaker 1: of the old system, in particular in terms of income inequality,

1864
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:07,280
Speaker 1: in sort of a new form. So the vast majority

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01:39:07,479 --> 01:39:10,320
Speaker 1: of crypto is held by, you know, relatively smallest liver

1866
01:39:10,479 --> 01:39:12,360
Speaker 1: of people. It's the same sort of thing where if

1867
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:15,479
Speaker 1: you're like first mover's advantage, so it's people who you

1868
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:17,559
Speaker 1: know got in early who are most likely to benefit

1869
01:39:17,640 --> 01:39:20,960
Speaker 1: the most. What is your response to that, particular critique,

1870
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:24,599
Speaker 1: people that get in early also risk the most risk

1871
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:26,599
Speaker 1: and return goes side by side. If you hear about

1872
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 1: a project that's just about to launch or an NFT

1873
01:39:29,240 --> 01:39:31,000
Speaker 1: project that's just about to go, people like, yeah, there's

1874
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:32,880
Speaker 1: going to be the best thing ever. You put a

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01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:34,760
Speaker 1: lot of money into it, but you haven't had a

1876
01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:37,320
Speaker 1: chance to see what the team is made of or

1877
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:39,920
Speaker 1: what the launch is going to be. Like, that's the

1878
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:43,280
Speaker 1: most That's like buying like a preconstruction apartment or a house. Right,

1879
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:45,519
Speaker 1: you're paying less for it, but you don't know what

1880
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:48,120
Speaker 1: you're going to get. So yes, the people that get

1881
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:50,040
Speaker 1: in early can make more money. But I would go

1882
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:52,960
Speaker 1: as far as saying that there's income inequality. Right. You

1883
01:39:53,080 --> 01:39:55,679
Speaker 1: have that spectrum of saying, look, you have the higher

1884
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:58,719
Speaker 1: risk stuff, and if you pick any of the dog coins,

1885
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:01,160
Speaker 1: you're going to risk a lot and you might make

1886
01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:03,320
Speaker 1: a lot of money. Right. Or if you pick a

1887
01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:06,880
Speaker 1: stable coin like usd C or whatever it is and

1888
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:09,240
Speaker 1: decide to deposit it for eight percent interest a year,

1889
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:11,640
Speaker 1: then you're not going to lose any money. So you know,

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01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:14,920
Speaker 1: you have that spectrum there. But at the end of

1891
01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:18,400
Speaker 1: the day, I believe that it contributes to income equality.

1892
01:40:18,439 --> 01:40:20,519
Speaker 1: And so I'll give you a small example. People have

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01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:23,200
Speaker 1: been trying, and I believe they've already started to succeed

1894
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:27,200
Speaker 1: at turning real estate into an NFT in other words,

1895
01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:31,519
Speaker 1: putting the deed on the blockchain and actually have it

1896
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:34,439
Speaker 1: be recognized and selling it that way. What this allows

1897
01:40:34,479 --> 01:40:36,960
Speaker 1: you to do is one step away from fractionalizing it,

1898
01:40:37,080 --> 01:40:40,840
Speaker 1: meaning breaking it into smaller parts income real estate is

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Speaker 1: a great investment, but it's only a great investment if

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Speaker 1: you invest in the expensive properties, like the beachfront properties

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Speaker 1: are the ones that are millionaire properties, and those are

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01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:50,599
Speaker 1: the ones that go up forever. But if you buy

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01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:53,360
Speaker 1: a place in the slums or in some place, it's

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Speaker 1: not going to be developed in the near future. It

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Speaker 1: tends to stay that way. Right, So even real estate

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Speaker 1: is not fair. But if you take an NFT component

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Speaker 1: and say, well, I know you can't afford the million

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Speaker 1: dollar mansion or whatever, but you can afford a small

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Speaker 1: percentage of it that's within your reach, then all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, you've actually leveled the playing field and allowed

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Speaker 1: more access to people that perhaps don't have as much

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Speaker 1: money to buy into the good real estate. And what's

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Speaker 1: your reaction to the just massively pervasive fraud that we've

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Speaker 1: seen with NFTs. You know, it's an unfortunate growing pain

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Speaker 1: that any new concept has to go through. We saw

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Speaker 1: some of that similar in the ICO in twenty seventeen ish,

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01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:40,840
Speaker 1: where people come up there. It's relatively low costs to

1918
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Speaker 1: come up with this project and tell people, hey, come

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Speaker 1: here and give you your money. You know, like just

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Speaker 1: like the assauge, just pull fifty six million dollars. Now,

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Speaker 1: arguably he's got a reputation and it's less likely to

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Speaker 1: turn into a fraud, but it doesn't stop anybody from

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Speaker 1: trying to do that. The good thing is that people

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Speaker 1: wise enough. There's a lot of projects where people get burned,

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Speaker 1: and there's a lot of projects where people don't, and

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden they start being a little

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Speaker 1: bit more careful with regards to how they want to

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Speaker 1: invest their money into it. But at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, sometimes they know, you know, there's going to

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Speaker 1: be a pump and dump. I don't care. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to go into it and I'm going to buy really

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Speaker 1: low and I'm going to sell the one that's at

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Speaker 1: the peak of the pump. And if they don't sell.

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Speaker 1: At the peak of the pump, they say, Shoot, I

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Speaker 1: ran out of money. Let's reload the machine, let's pull

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Speaker 1: the lever, Let's try again with another one tomorrow, and

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Speaker 1: I won't be so greedy. It's the wild West out there.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you breaking it down for us. I find

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Speaker 1: it really interesting, especially you know, kind of tying into

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Speaker 1: the history of Wall Street bets. So thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining us. Man very much for having me. Absolutely, thank

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Speaker 1: you guys so much for watching and really appreciate it.

1943
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Speaker 1: What a week. I feel like it's been nine years. Weirdly,

1944
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Speaker 1: it has been the biggest week ever in Breaking Points history.

1945
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Speaker 1: I can't thank you guys enough. But it also is

1946
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Speaker 1: proof of why we do the show. Both stand up

1947
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Speaker 1: around free speech. But we didn't drop any of our

1948
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Speaker 1: coverage of some of the most important issues that were happening. Yeah,

1949
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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, that's what we try

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Speaker 1: to do here more than anything. Yeah, and I think

1951
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Speaker 1: both of us on Tuesday when our YouTube channel just

1952
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Speaker 1: wasn't working for a few hours and we were, you know,

1953
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Speaker 1: very frustrated, and there was nothing we could do. I mean,

1954
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Speaker 1: it was just like we tried everything on we rolled down.

1955
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Speaker 1: It was nothing on our end. The channel just literally

1956
01:43:15,080 --> 01:43:17,559
Speaker 1: wasn't working on the back end, and so we had

1957
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Speaker 1: the single point of failure. And I think it just

1958
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Speaker 1: was another validator for us of why we created the

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Speaker 1: business model that we did because the premiumselves were able

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Speaker 1: to get the video. We got it out on Vimeo

1961
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Speaker 1: because right because for them it doesn't have to go

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Speaker 1: you know, out on YouTube, we were able to send

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Speaker 1: it out on Vimeo. So you have different options, so

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Speaker 1: you don't have this single point of failure. But in

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Speaker 1: terms of like you know, the free public clips and

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Speaker 1: you know, the the ads being inserted in there and

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Speaker 1: all of that, there was just nothing we could do whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: It was crazy, guys. I mean we couldn't post for

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Speaker 1: four straight hours and we still have no idea. YouTube

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Speaker 1: doesn't need it. It's just they're like they're like, yeah,

1971
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Speaker 1: we don't know. It started working again your account, and

1972
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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden we were allowed to upload.

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Speaker 1: Ended up being one of our biggest days ever on YouTube. Look,

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Speaker 1: I mean, ko baby, it would have been bigger. I

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Speaker 1: have no idea, you know. So, like you said, you

1976
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Speaker 1: have a single point of failure, then you have a

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Speaker 1: point of failure ultimately, and we had a very stark

1978
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Speaker 1: reminder of that, but we didn't actually sweat it. Except

1979
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Speaker 1: for the people who you know, can't afford a premium description.

1980
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Speaker 1: I felt bad for them, but financially it was okay.

1981
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Speaker 1: If we had relied only on them, I mean, we

1982
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Speaker 1: would have been truly screwed. It was really frustrating, but

1983
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Speaker 1: in the end, all right, we have the backlash. It

1984
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Speaker 1: worked out, but it only worked out because we know

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Speaker 1: that we have you guys. Otherwise I would have been

1986
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Speaker 1: tearing my hair out and losing it. Thank you to

1987
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Speaker 1: everybody who supports us on the premium membership. It's for

1988
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Speaker 1: moments like that that we literally live for you. We

1989
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Speaker 1: watched it happen before our eyes. It's happening all the

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Speaker 1: time on Instagram and others in terms of shadow banning

1991
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Speaker 1: and elsewhere. But again, you know, you guys are the

1992
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Speaker 1: people we rely on, and you fund our work, our

1993
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Speaker 1: ability to produce the Rogan video that we did today

1994
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Speaker 1: so much more that we could literally just on a

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Speaker 1: dime hire somebody who does extremely good work. You know,

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Speaker 1: this stuff is not cheap and all of it comes

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Speaker 1: down to everybody, So thank you all so much. We

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Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Love you guys, have a wonderful weekend.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you here next week.