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Liz, though 81 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: I know you've been a way, you've been doing your 82 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 1: own speeches. You've been doing your show, the Liz Wheeler Show. 83 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: Last time I saw you, I was on your show 84 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: at a play at the National Conservatism Conference where all 85 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: three of us actually we're speaking, and it's wonderful to 86 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: be with you finally again. Yeah, it's so good to 87 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: see you. It is funny how the three of us 88 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: tend to always be in the same location, but not 89 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: because of the same reason. We come separately. But we did. 90 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: We got to set down for a long form interview, 91 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: you and I did. We did, and we actually talked 92 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: about this guy who's the other guy on this show. 93 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: What's his name? Is the sitting US Senator? I forget 94 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: what's that? Ted Cruz? Yes, I don't know if your 95 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: ears were itching a little bit when we did discuss you. 96 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: We did discuss your show, even though you weren't there. 97 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: Whatever you said, I wasn't there. I didn't do it, Yo, totalized, 98 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: do not believe a word of it. Well, we're going 99 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: to be getting into exactly what happened here in not 100 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: just not merely the political angles and the media angles 101 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: and the narratives, but what actually happened in Kenosha, Wisconsin 102 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: that led to this trial. Of Kyle Rittenhouse. Then we 103 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: will get to what it means. So Liz, we will 104 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: see you in just a little bit when we need 105 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: to process what all of this actually means. Thanks Michael. 106 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: Everybody at home, everybody at work is talking about this 107 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: verdict and it is an amazing thing because it is 108 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: so polarized less and we live in a time where 109 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: everything is polarized. But but the morality tale that is 110 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 1: told about the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse, they're two different universes. 111 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: If you talk to someone on the left that they 112 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: are horrified, they are shaken, They're like, Okay, some some 113 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,799 Speaker 1: crazed white supremacist illegally brought a gun across state lines 114 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,679 Speaker 1: and then gunned down protesters, and now he was set free, 115 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: and vigilantes are encouraged to shoot anyone they want. On 116 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: the other side, you get a morality play of you know, 117 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse, this great hero for justice was vindicated. And listen, 118 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: I am very glad for the verdict. I think the 119 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: jury reached the right verdict, which is not guilty. But 120 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: but by any measure, what happened that night in Wisconsin 121 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: was a tragedy, and it was a tragedy on many fronts, 122 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: because there there is a lot of ignorance. Yes, just 123 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: on the basic facts of the case. You know, members 124 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: of my own family have reached out to me and said, wait, 125 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: I thought this happened. Wait, I thought it was like this, 126 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: you know, and just getting things wrong. Maria shrive Are 127 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: actually sent out a tweet. Maria Shriverers is plugged in 128 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: to the media and to politics as it can possibly 129 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: be when you're at Kennedy, and nevertheless she seems not 130 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: to understand the basic facts. I think you had a 131 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: little bit of an exchange with her on Twitter. Well 132 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: I did so. Her tweet was rather amazing in that 133 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: she tweeted she said, I'm trying to take a beat 134 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: to digest the written house verdict. My son just asked me, 135 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: how is it possible that he didn't get charged for anything? 136 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: How is that possible? I don't have an answer for him. 137 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: I gotta say, I read this and look, on one level, 138 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: it's it's stunning. I mean this woman. I looked actually 139 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: at her Twitter. I wasn't sure what she's doing now, 140 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: but but her Twitter bio describes herself today as an 141 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: NBC anchor, so she is literally paid to be a 142 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: journalist and presumably to report on the news, and she 143 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: has absolutely no idea what occurred. Try this number one, 144 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: He was charged. Remember she starts with how could it 145 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: be he wasn't charged? He was charged. He obviously was charged. 146 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: There was a trial. He was charged with six counts, 147 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: and as I tweeted that that thing that just finished 148 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: was his trial. But like, let's start with that, NBC 149 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: is claiming he wasn't charged with anything. Very basic facts. Look, 150 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: let's let's let's stop for a second and go back 151 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: to what happened that night last year. We all remember, 152 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: we saw riots occurring across the country. We saw violent 153 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: riots occurring across the country, and we saw in the 154 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: August of August of twenty twenty, in these riots, we 155 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: saw cars being firebombed, we saw stores being looted, we 156 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: saw enormous mayhem, and we saw it made even worse 157 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: by politicians, almost exclusively Democrats and maybe maybe exclusively Democrats, 158 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: refusing to enforce the laws and so allowing these riots 159 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: to rage. And in Kenosha, Wisconsin, uh, there were three 160 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: days of violent riots and hundreds of fires set and 161 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: stores looted and car dealerships looted and and just just 162 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: rampant violence. And this was led by BLM and Antifa. 163 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: I mean, the Kenosha riot was specifically because the cops 164 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: shot Jacob Blake, who was a man who was resisting arrest, 165 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: who was accused of sexual assault, who was reaching into 166 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: a car with a weapon. The car had kids in 167 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: it as well. You know, there had been this long 168 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: standoff where he wouldn't he wouldn't submit to being arrested. 169 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: And but but even that then caused days and days 170 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: of riots as though it were some grave injustice. Yeah. 171 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: You literally had a knife wielding felon who was threatening 172 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: the police officers who got shot. And by the way, 173 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: it's really bad idea to threaten police officers with a weapon. 174 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: It can very easily end in deadly force. And that 175 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: that that is what occurred there. But in this hyper 176 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: leftist environment, a criminal threat threatening a police officer with 177 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: a weapon, who in turn faces deadly force becomes lionized 178 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: as a hero. Yeh, And we had riots occurring for 179 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: multiple days. Now. Kyle Rittenhoun House. He was seventeen years old. 180 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: Kyle lived about twenty miles away from Kenosha, so he 181 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: lived in Illinois, it's it is true he lived in Illinois, 182 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: but right on the state line between Illinois and Wisconsin 183 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: and Kenosha, Wisconsin is where Kyle Rittenhouse's mom lived. It's 184 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 1: where Kyle actually worked. He worked as a lifeguard in Kenosha. 185 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: So to say a cross state lines, people get this 186 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: image of someone you know, you know me traveling from 187 00:10:55,559 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 1: Texas to New York or something. You know, I mean this, 188 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: this was twenty miles away from his house, that this 189 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: was his neighborhood, where his mom worked, where he had, 190 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: where his mom lived, where he worked, And there were 191 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: multiple days of protests, and so Kyle went there to 192 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: help help protect the stores, help protect the properties that 193 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: were being burned. That we're being looted, and that sadly 194 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: that the local law enforcement was not protecting he went there. 195 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: One of the things that has been widely reported that 196 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: people say as well, he was illegally carrying a gun. 197 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: That is in fact false. He actually did not carry 198 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 1: any gun across state lines. When he got to Wisconsin, 199 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: he met a friend there who had an AAR fifteen. 200 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: Now what is an AR fifteen? And this is again 201 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: where people don't people don't necessarily understand the language. An 202 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: AAR fifteen is a rifle. It's not a machine gun. 203 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: An AAR fifteen is a legal rifle. In fact, it's 204 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: the most popular rifle in the United States of America. 205 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: It is a common rifle used for home defense. The difference, 206 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: for those who are not familiar with firearms between an 207 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: automatic rifle and a semi automatic rifle. An automatic rifle 208 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: is a machine gun. You hold the trigger down and 209 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: lots of bullets come out. A semi automatic rifle, you 210 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: pull the trigger. Once one bullet comes out, you pull 211 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: the trigger again. A second bullet comes out, so it 212 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: takes one bullet for each pull of the trigger. Is 213 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: the difference between automatic and semi automatic. Generally speaking, automatic rifles, 214 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 1: machine guns are largely they're functionally illegal. They've been functionally 215 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: illegal for over eighty years. You have very very limited 216 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: licenses and permits to get one, but as a practical matter, 217 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: most Americans it's the illegal to own a machine gun. 218 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse didn't have a machine gun. He had a 219 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 1: semi automatic rifle. That rifle was his friend's rifle that 220 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: his friend allowed him to use in Kenosha that night 221 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: because they were both going out to try to protect 222 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 1: the local community, protect the local community from violent criminals 223 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: that were threatening the community. So on the claim that 224 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: he had an illegal gun, we know that claim is 225 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: false because I mentioned a minute ago he had six charges. 226 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: One of the charges that was brought against him was 227 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: that he was carrying a gun illegally. That charge was 228 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: dismissed by the trial court as a matter of law. 229 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: The court ruled that it was wrong that it was 230 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: legal for him to possess the firearm he had, So 231 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: that claim is false. What happened was a violent riot 232 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: was unfolding, and the violent riot consisted of a lot 233 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: of really violent criminals. The first individual that written House 234 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: encountered was a violent felon name Rosenbaum. Rosenbaum was a 235 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: convicted child molester, someone who's served fifteen years in prison, 236 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: a serial child molester more than one time. He pleaded 237 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: guilty to two counts of molesting teenage boys. At the 238 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: time he was charged, it was alleged that he had 239 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: molested five different teenage boys, and he pleaded guilty and 240 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: served fifteen years for it. So you were talking a serious, 241 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: violent criminal and child molester. Rosenbaum saw Rittenhouse angrily pursued 242 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: ritten House screamed at him that he was going to 243 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: kill Rittenhouse, chased Rittenhouse and tried to physically grab his gun. Now, 244 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:54,359 Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse is running away at the time. He's facing 245 00:14:54,640 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: a large, angry, violent felon who is screaming death threats 246 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: at him and trying to physically take his gun. And 247 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: it is quite reasonable for someone to believe if the 248 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: violent criminal succeeds in taking your gun, that he will 249 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: do what he is threatening to do, which is to 250 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: kill you. And so Kyle Rittenhouse shoots Rosenbaum and kills 251 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: Rosenbaum as he's trying to take his gun. At this point, 252 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: what does Rittenhouse do next? And remember the narrative that's 253 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: being told of He's this you know, crazed vigilante. He's 254 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: out there like wanting to shoot people. Rittenhouse begins running 255 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: towards the police barricades, trying to turn himself in, and 256 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: a mob chases him. So Rittenhouse running toward the cops, 257 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: presumably not because he believes he has committed some crime, 258 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: but as he's doing it, this mob, that this Antifa 259 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: and BLM mob starts chasing after him, and Rittenhouse goes down. Now, 260 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: at this point, you get the second interaction that's in 261 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: play with the Rittenhouse trial, and that is Anthony Huber. 262 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: So Anthony Huber, another convicted felon, comes up, and Hubert 263 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: doesn't have a gun. Huber has a skateboard. Now, at 264 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: a lot of these BLM and ANTIFA riots, the weapons 265 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: that are used are not always conventional weapons. Sometimes it's 266 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: a baseball bat, sometimes it's a skateboard, sometimes it's a 267 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: can of soup. They'll actually throw cans at you. His 268 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: cans are very heavy and if they clock you on 269 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: the head, that's not going to leave you feeling very good, 270 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: and that can really do some damage. But this is 271 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: a part that's a little bit controverted because what the 272 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: defenders of these felons and ANTIFA and BLM we're saying 273 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: is that Rittenhouse had no right to shoot a guy 274 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: who was simply hitting him with a skateboard. Actually, one 275 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: of the prosecutors in the case said, look, everybody takes 276 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: a beating every now and again. Is that is that 277 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: the legal standard? You know, it's it's it's not. Um. 278 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: You have a right to defend yourself from an imminent 279 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: threat to your life and the imminent threat of harm 280 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: and and he's afraid for his life. And so Huber 281 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: is the second person as this guy's assaulting him again 282 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: that he shoots and and kills Huber. He then has 283 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: a third violent felon, Gauge gross Cruts, who are right, 284 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: a third convicted felon is chasing him. Gross Cruts is armed. Now, interestingly, 285 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: somebody here did have a gun illegally. That would be 286 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: Gauge Gross Gross Cruts, who was the felon who illegally 287 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: had a firearm, was carrying it illegally without a license. 288 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: And Gauge testifies at the trial that he points his 289 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: gun directly at Kyle from three feet away, points his gun, 290 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: and when he points his gun and Kyle fires again, 291 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: hits him in the arm, doesn't kill Gauge. Gauge survives 292 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: and testifies, but does real damage to his arm. Those 293 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: are the three people that were shot that night. Now 294 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: it's worth noting several of the facts that the media 295 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: got wrong. Number one, there are I'd be willing to 296 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: bet tens of millions of people across America who believe 297 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse shot three black men because this has all 298 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: been painted as a racial attack, as it so happens 299 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse did not shoot any African Americans. All three 300 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: of the people he shot were white. Secondly, you know, 301 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: it's interesting I've heard some people who say, well, Rittenhouse 302 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: didn't know these guys were criminals, and it's worth pausing 303 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: and thinking, why is it that all three of the 304 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: people who were shot were criminals? And let me just say, look, 305 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: when you're at a violent riot where they're committing crimes 306 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: all around you, where they're burning cars, where they're looting, 307 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: many of the people, I'd venture to say most of 308 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: the people there are criminals. Well, this is I think 309 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: where the confusion. Yes, this is where I think the 310 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: confusion comes from. Because the way the media presented this riot, 311 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: as they said it was a peaceful protest of anti 312 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: racist demonstrators. And so yes, if you're at a peaceful 313 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: protest of anti racist demonstrators, then you have no reason 314 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: to believe that the people who are around you are criminals. 315 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: But that wasn't the reality. If you are at a 316 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 1: violent riot with arson and looting and assault and attempted murder, 317 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 1: then there's a very good chance if you are around 318 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: Antifa or some of the more lurid figures of BLM 319 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 1: there is a statistically, it's almost a statistical certainty that 320 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: you are around criminals. So we know what happened, which 321 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: is very different than what the media told us happen. 322 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: And we know that legally Rittenhouse was in the right. 323 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: We know that the judge, you know, then the jury 324 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: reached that conclusion. Certainly the jury reached that conclusion, and 325 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: so he has been exonerated in this trial. But now 326 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: that we know what did happen, I think the important 327 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: thing is to ask what does it mean? And for 328 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: that I think we should bring in our friend Liz Wheeler, 329 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: who is back. Liz wonderful again, Thank you so much, 330 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: Michael Senator. I think a lot of people, when they 331 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: hear the analysis or read the facts, see the reality 332 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 1: of what actually happened. Yes, they're very grateful that our 333 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: system of justice worked in this particular instance, but they 334 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: also want to know what happens next, What does this mean? 335 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: What do we do moving forward? And one of the 336 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: biggest questions that I've seen from people all over our country, 337 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 1: of all political stripes, is what does it mean when 338 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice now says that they are going 339 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: to potentially conduct a review of this verdict. Can Kyle 340 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: Rittenhouse be tried again or what might that mean for him? Well, 341 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: look the Biden Justice depart it's been fairly striking. In 342 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: less than a year. They've managed to exceed the bar 343 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 1: for the Obama Justice Department in terms of politicizing the 344 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: Department of Justice. And I think that is an exceedingly 345 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: troubling development that under Merrick Garland this has been a 346 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: left wing Democratic Department of Justice. I think if the 347 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: Department of Justice went after Rittenhouse, it would be an 348 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: absolute abuse of power and a partisan abuse of power. 349 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: There was a trial, the jury heard the evidence. The 350 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:35,239 Speaker 1: worst conduct in the aftermath of that night was from 351 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: the media and from Democratic politicians who over and over 352 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: and over again referred to Kyle Rittenhouse as a white supremacist. Senator. 353 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: The President of the United States referred to Kyle Rittenhouse 354 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 1: as a white supremacist. He put him in a campaign 355 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 1: at the wild irresponsibility of democrat after democrat. It was 356 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: a good political narrative to say this teenager was a 357 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: white sup premises. The only problem for their story was 358 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: there were no facts at the trial that backed it up, 359 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 1: and they said it anyway. They said it deliberately. They 360 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: said it repeatedly, and listen, this is something I've been 361 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: saying for some time. I think they're a bunch of 362 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: media outlets and Hollywood celebrities who had better hire some 363 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: defamation lawyers because Rittenhouse is going to be suing a 364 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: lot of them and they don't have a defense. They 365 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: don't have a good defense because there are people who 366 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: are actually in a position to know facts, and they 367 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: decided this seventeen year old's life doesn't matter to me. 368 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to call him a Nazi, and who cares 369 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: what the facts are because it fits my politics. Well, 370 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: I think that's what a lot of people are wondering now, 371 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: is knowing that we have every strong free speech protections 372 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: in America, we don't have meant much of an opportunity 373 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: for libel suits or slander or anything as they have 374 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: in other countries. Does Rittenhouse have a case? Is he 375 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: going to become the new owner of CNN or the 376 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,479 Speaker 1: Washington Poster or any of those outlets. So I think 377 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: Rittenhouse has a very strong case. I think he will 378 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: file defamation lawsuits. I hope he has retained good and 379 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: effective lawyers, and I think he's going to have to assess. 380 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of potential candidates to 381 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: be defendants for these lawsuits. And you know that there's 382 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: a famous Supreme Court decision called New York Times versus 383 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: Sullivan that concerns the standards for defamation, and basically what 384 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: it says is if someone's a public figure, if someone 385 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: has injected themselves into the public discussion, that there's a 386 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: higher standard to prove defamation. So, all right, I'm a 387 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: public figure, I'm a US Senator, I ran for office, 388 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: I've been elected. You can have the New York Times 389 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: can say nasty stuff about me, and they do on 390 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: any given day, probably have today. And as a general matter, 391 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: it is very very hard for me to sue them 392 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: for defamation. Why because the Supreme Court New York Times 393 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: versus Sullivan said for me to succeed in a defamation suit, 394 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: I have to prove actual malice. It's a standard they invented, 395 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: which is a higher standard that basically they have to 396 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: to to know their lying or be utterly reckless and 397 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: saying we don't give a damn if we're lying, We're 398 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: just going to spread it anyway. And so it's it's 399 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: a pretty high standard. The interesting thing about ritten House, 400 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: I think Rittenhouse has a real argument that he was 401 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: not a public figure. He was a teenage kid who 402 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: the press made a public figure. But but when when 403 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: you started seeing the media and celebrities and Democrats attacking him, 404 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: he had not done anything to make himself a public figure. Yes, 405 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: he was a defendant and trial if that happened later, 406 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: and for that matter, after the jury verdict, after it 407 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: was clear that there wasn't any evidence at trial he 408 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: was a white supremacist, we saw a bunch of media 409 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 1: folks repeating the same lies. I mean, I gotta say, 410 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: the ones that doubled down after the verdict, they really 411 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: should have put like a giant kick me sign on 412 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: their back, except instead of kick me, it should have 413 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: said sue me. Because they don't care what the truth is, 414 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: They're going to spread their political message. Truth be damned. 415 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: And I very much hope the people who were willing 416 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: to spread lies and didn't care about the truth, I 417 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: hope we see some very big damages awarded to Kyle Rittenhouse. Well, 418 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: I think this idea that Kyle Rittenhouse and I agree, Senator, 419 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: I mean, it seems that he's going to be in 420 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: physical danger. Even his lawyer and his family have mentioned 421 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: as much. But this speaks to the bigger philosophical idea 422 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 1: that the left isn't interested in the pursuit of justice. 423 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 1: They aren't interested in saying, listen, the jury spoke, and 424 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: what and if we disagree with the jury, this is 425 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: how our criminal justice system works. No, they're interested in 426 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: destroying this kid. They're interested in destroying Kyle Rittenhouse's life, 427 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: his reputation, his future, because they're interested in destroying the 428 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: institution our criminal justice system, this presumption of innocence until 429 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: proven guilty. And they admitted as much on Twitter in 430 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: you know, during the trial itself, of course, but in 431 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: the aftermath, but kind of staying within this same train. 432 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to I don't think they're 433 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 1: going to relent. I don't think they're going to give 434 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: it up. I don't think they're going to stop coming 435 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: after him. There's already been taught that they're going to 436 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: be civil lawsuits against him, against Kyle Rittenhouse on behalf 437 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: of some of the victims. From a legal perspective, what 438 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: do you make of that? Look, I think they can 439 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: bring lawsuits. I think the lawsuits are very unlikely to 440 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: be successful. That may not stop people from filing harassment 441 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: lawsuits to try to proceed. You know, we've seen in 442 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,959 Speaker 1: some circumstances you think O. J. Simpson, where there were 443 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 1: civil lawsuits that had a lower thresh holding a greater 444 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 1: chance of success than the criminal trial. This is very different. 445 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: I mean that O. J. Simpson was not an instance 446 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: of self defense in this case. Look, I think what 447 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: we have seen in and around and in the aftermath 448 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: of the Kyle Rittenhouse trial is the perversion and destruction 449 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: of our justice system from the hard left, and that 450 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: was true on multiple levels. During the trial. You saw 451 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: much of the media. You saw many of the left 452 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: wing commentators demonizing the judge, attacking the judge personally, trying 453 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: to defame the judge. The judge, by the way, is 454 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: trying to enforce the law. So, for example, by the way, 455 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: this prosecution, this prosecutor is the Gomer Pile of Screwups. 456 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 1: Is one of the worst trial lawyers I've ever seen. 457 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 1: He got repeatedly admonaged from the trial judge because he 458 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: kept doing things wrong. He stood up to the jury 459 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: and said, can you believe he exercise his right right 460 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: to be silent. Well, you're allowed to do that. The 461 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: Fifth Amendment protects your right to remain silent. The moment 462 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: that that really encapsulates it is when the prosecutor took 463 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: the AR fifteen and pointed it at the jury with 464 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: his finger on the trigger, which is horrific. And by 465 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: the way, anyone who has the barest monicum of of 466 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: firearms training knows you don't put your finger on the trip. 467 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: You don't point the gun at anybody unless you are 468 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: in a situation where you are prepared to and may 469 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,479 Speaker 1: need to use lethal force. And you don't put your 470 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: finger on the trigger unless you are prepared to it 471 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: in the instance of pulling the trigger to fire the gun. 472 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: And it you know, to be honest, it when he 473 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: pointed it at the jury, it reminded me of you know, 474 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: Alec Baldwin. I mean, it was something nobody who was 475 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: familiar with firearms would possibly do. And yet this clown 476 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: was literally pointing a gun and hoping it was unloaded 477 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: at the jury. But the perversion of justice those on 478 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: the left, and that includes Democrats and media and Hollywood, 479 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: they don't care that the jury heard the evidence and 480 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: has spoken. They don't care about self defense. Stephen Colbert says, well, 481 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: if the law says that it's self defense, we should 482 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: change the law. So what they're saying is you should 483 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: not have the right if someone is violently attacking you, 484 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: if you are on the ground, if a mob is 485 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: chasing you, if they're beating you, if they are threatening 486 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: to kill you, you should not have the right to 487 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: defend yourself. That's scary stuff. But the perversion of justice 488 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: is broader than that. All of this began because left 489 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: wing prosecutors and left wing politicians refuse to enforce the 490 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: law and protect the community from Kenosha against violent rioters. 491 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: If law enforcement had been allowed to do its job 492 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: to arrest the rioters, to put them in jail, to 493 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: put them in handcuffs, you know what, Rose Bob would 494 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: have still been alive. Huber would have still been alive. 495 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: They would have been arrested for being violent criminals and rioting, 496 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: but they would have still been alive. But the politicians 497 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: created this problem, and I got to say, we saw 498 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: a manifestation of that tragically this week again in Wisconsin 499 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: with the horrific Christmas parade. The lunatic who drove the 500 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: SUV into that parade, killing wounding dozens, I think upwards 501 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: of forty people, including young children. It was horrific, and 502 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: you noticed the media isn't covering what caused it. You 503 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: had an individual number one, a Black Lives Matter supporter 504 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: or a rapper, a repeat felon Yea who had just 505 00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: recently been arrested for what for running someone over with 506 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: his car. Not just someone, the mother of his child, 507 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: the same car that he used to commit this crime. 508 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: He had run her over with to violently assault her. 509 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: He had been arrested. And there's a left wing prosecutor, 510 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: the district attorney in Milwaukee, who was elected with George 511 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: Soros's financial support. He's part of the left wing prosecutors 512 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: across the country who don't prosecute violent criminals. They let 513 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: this guy go, Michael, do you know what his bail 514 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: was that they let him go on? So it's hard 515 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: to keep track because he's been arrested so many times 516 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: in recent years. The first time, gosh, it was either 517 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: five hundred or a thousand dollars, and I think it 518 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: was a thousand dollars this time too, Yeah, it was 519 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: a thousand dollars. He was on bail. For running over 520 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: the mother of his child with the car. He was 521 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: out on bail. In just a few days later, boom, 522 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: he runs over dozens of people. And it's the same 523 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: problem when you have left wing politicians, prosecutors, DA's governors, 524 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: mayors that refuse to enforce the law. Violent criminals target 525 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: innocent citizens. And whether that is burning stores and car 526 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: lots and kenosha or I mean, what a nightmare. The 527 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: videos of that lunatic driving into that parade is the 528 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,479 Speaker 1: stuff of nightmares. But it's not an accident. It's the 529 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: result of policies destroying our justice system, which the radical 530 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: left is trying to spread across the country. And this 531 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: is the dark side of a criminal justice reform, and 532 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: which is the euphemism that is used for movements as 533 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: radical as abolishing the police or abolishing prisons. Rashida to leave. 534 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: The Democrat congressman continues to maintain that we need to 535 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: empty out federal prisons within ten years, empty them all out, 536 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: not leave a single person in them. And this is 537 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: it sounds all very nice and happy and feel good 538 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: and Kumbai. Yeah, and we're gonna be really compassionate to 539 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: the criminals. Well, here's the flip side is that people 540 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: who have done very bad things, who are not reformed, 541 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: who we're going to do really bad things again, go 542 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: out and what do they do? Surprise, surprise, they do 543 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: really bad things. This is the practical effect of the 544 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: extremes of criminal justice reform, and hopefully people can learn 545 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: a lesson from that, Republicans certainly, but hopefully Democrats too, 546 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: because I don't think people like to see their communities 547 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: being torched and looted and attacked by these criminals. I 548 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: want to take a minute and praise the courage of 549 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: the twelve members of the jury. Look, it was not 550 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: complicated that there was and remains a very real threat 551 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: to their physical safety and lives. Left wing activists were 552 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: taking their pictures. I mean heck, MSNBC was banned from 553 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: the courtroom because the cameraman was allegedly trying to follow 554 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: the jurors. And I promise you those jurors knew if 555 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: we vote to a quit, we may find radicals threatening 556 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,280 Speaker 1: us in our families. And and you know it's easy 557 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: to say, well, of course they did the right thing. Look, 558 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: jurors get scared, and it was there were a lot 559 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: of forces that wanted to use the threat of violence 560 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: to intimidate those jurors to convict that kid. Facts be 561 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: damn we want to scalp and I just want to 562 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: praise those twelve men and women for doing the right 563 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: thing in the face of a real risk of intimidation 564 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: and violence. That that that is a moment to be 565 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: proud of our country and our justice system for ordinary 566 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 1: Americans doing their duty and following the law. Absolutely, courage 567 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,439 Speaker 1: and moral clarity are in short supply, so it's it's 568 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: really edifying and gratifying to see people exercise that. All right, 569 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: we've got to go Liz anything before we leave. Yes, 570 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,439 Speaker 1: we do not have time in this episode today because 571 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: we had so much good content for a mailbag, but 572 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: for next week's episode, go on over to Verdict with 573 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: Ted Cruise dot com slash plus. If you are a 574 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,280 Speaker 1: subscriber on the plus community, then you get exclusive access 575 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: to ask questions that the Senator, Michael and I will 576 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: answer live here on the show. 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