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Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine, Hey fam Today on the bright Side, we're

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Speaker 1: talking women's basketball with content creator and former ESPN and

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Speaker 1: NBA producer Hannah O'Flynn.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad to be alive during this time in

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Speaker 2: women's sports history. We're gonna be telling our future kids

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Speaker 2: about this. Be like back in Monday, tickets were just thirty.

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Speaker 3: Bucks, just thirty bucks.

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Speaker 4: Well, we're getting into why this year's NCAA Tournament is

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Speaker 4: a historic moment in women's sports, and we're all getting

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Speaker 4: up to speed ahead of tonight's final four matchups.

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Speaker 3: It's Friday, April fifth.

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Speaker 1: I'm Danielle Robe, I'm Simone Voice, and this is the

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Speaker 1: bright side from Hello Sunshine.

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Speaker 3: Danielle, how we feel and it's Friday.

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Speaker 4: Oh see money, it is Friday. I have to tell you,

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Speaker 4: I am so glad it's Friday. Why For the past

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Speaker 4: four or five years, I have been making my own

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Speaker 4: schedule and is a boss. I felt like a boss

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Speaker 4: and now I have bosses and it's the first time

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Speaker 4: that I have this kind of schedule where I'm coming

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Speaker 4: into an office in a recording studio five days a week,

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Speaker 4: and now I know what people feel like like. I

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Speaker 4: am excited for the weekend. No shade to the producers.

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Speaker 3: She's already sick of me, you guys, that's what she's

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Speaker 3: trying to say. No, we talk every single night now.

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Speaker 3: It's honestly gross. We're producing our own phone calls.

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Speaker 4: Yea.

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Speaker 1: So this weekend, I'm actually going to Buffalo, New York

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Speaker 1: to get ready to see the total eclipse of the sun.

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Speaker 3: You've been talking about this since I met you.

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Speaker 1: I know you want to know why. God bless my father,

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Speaker 1: God bless Charles. He has been planning this trip for

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Speaker 1: about four years, since the universe told him that this

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Speaker 1: was happening. So this is a big family trip. This

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Speaker 1: is like a really important trip. I have so many questions.

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Speaker 4: So the first is how often do eclipses happened? What

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Speaker 4: do you mean he has been planning this for four years.

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Speaker 3: It's a really good question.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how often they happen, but I think

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Speaker 1: the last one was around twenty fifteen to twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 3: And who's going?

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Speaker 1: So it's my dad, my mom. I'm leaving the kids

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Speaker 1: and the husband at home. Really, yes, I know it's

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Speaker 1: very sad. I didn't want to, but the flights are

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Speaker 1: crazy eclipscouging is real. I didn't know this was a thing.

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Speaker 1: Eclipscouging is very real. So yeah, it's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: cute little family trip. And I have a lot of

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Speaker 1: family in that part of the country.

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Speaker 3: So that's super cool. Are you gonna aren't you supposed

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Speaker 3: to look at it with glasses on?

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Speaker 1: Yep, I'm gonna look at it with glasses. I'm a

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Speaker 1: big space nerd. I love space. I would go to

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Speaker 1: space tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: No, no, you're not one of those.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, listen and still Richard Branson reached out to

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Speaker 1: the bright side and was like, hey, we have a

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Speaker 1: little pod, like a little egg that we could send

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Speaker 1: you up to space in.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to go? You had t me children,

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Speaker 3: it's safe for the most part. I do think it's

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Speaker 3: so nuts. Like I love Earth, I love my life here.

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Speaker 3: Why can't we fix this place? We have a lot

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Speaker 3: to do here.

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Speaker 1: I know I love Earth too, but we are going

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Speaker 1: to run out of resources one day. And don't you

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Speaker 1: want to see Earth? Like, don't you want to just

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Speaker 4: I like the grass right here in Los Angeles. I

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Speaker 4: can go to Austin Texas. You can ship me to Buffalo,

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Speaker 4: New York. I'm good, don't need to see.

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Speaker 3: Space, all right, Well, cross that out of our venn diagram.

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Speaker 4: You know, I was going to tell you what I

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Speaker 4: was doing this weekend, but what are you doing?

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you and be a good friend. What

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Speaker 3: are you doing this weekend?

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Speaker 4: So I'm watching a show called Girls on the Bus,

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Speaker 4: which I'm actually really excited about because one, I'm obsessed

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Speaker 4: journalists on these campaign trails, literally on a bus.

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Speaker 3: You're going to be obsessed. But I have a few

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Speaker 4: And also we're getting somebody from Girls on the Bus

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Speaker 3: And so it's just it's so fun to watch journalism.

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Speaker 1: Danielle, do you have any guilty TV pleasures? Do you

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Speaker 3: Eyebrow shows like The West Wing is one of my

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Speaker 3: favorite shows. I'll tell the West Wing. Yeah, it's I score,

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Speaker 3: just the opening score. Oh and I need to be

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Speaker 1: That is an objectively incredible score.

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Speaker 4: Okay, any actually speaking of this, I have something funny

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Speaker 4: to show you. Okay, So have you been getting I'm

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Speaker 4: sure you've been getting a lot of feedback from friends,

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Speaker 4: from people that are listening in your dms and texts.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's been so sweet. I love hearing from all of

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Speaker 1: our listeners about the bright side.

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Speaker 3: It's been so cool.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So the listeners are really sweet, and that is

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Speaker 4: so it's so fun to hear what they're gravitating towards. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: my friends, not so sweet friends. Give it to me

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Speaker 4: real and I need to read you some feedback from

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's hear it.

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Speaker 4: It changed how I show up on this show. So

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Speaker 4: my friend Mike says all these great things. It's really punchy,

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Speaker 4: it's well produced. I think I'm probably not your audience,

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Speaker 4: but I love the vibe and even I was interested

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Speaker 4: Here's the thing. It feels really PG like corporate, and

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Speaker 4: you guys are saying what you're supposed to say.

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Speaker 3: That's so embarrassing. I kind of agreed with him. I

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Speaker 4: Come from journalism, yeah, we sounded a little corporate.

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Speaker 1: Well, not to take this super deep, but you're actually

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Speaker 1: getting to something that I've struggled with for a long time,

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Speaker 1: and it's because of my career as a broadcast journalist.

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Speaker 1: You put so much pressure on yourself when you're going

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Speaker 1: on air and you're live, and you're covering these really

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Speaker 3: I hear what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: Well, what I love about working on the show is

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Speaker 4: I feel that way about you too. I feel like

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Speaker 4: safe when we're on the mic together. But I do

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Speaker 4: think that that corporate thing really hit me, and so

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Speaker 4: we're both going to make an effort to sound on

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Speaker 4: a good way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're here for it. We're showing you all parts

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Speaker 3: Folks. All right, should we get into the show. Let's go.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So we actually just did a lot of this simone.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about small talk. Do you feel like you're

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Speaker 4: a small talker? Are you good at this?

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Speaker 3: I feel like everyone has to be a good small talker.

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Speaker 1: How do you see? I have met people who are

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Speaker 1: like I don't do small talk. I don't understand that.

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Speaker 3: What do you do?

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Speaker 1: You just you meet someone and you just jump right

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Speaker 3: That's my dream.

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Speaker 4: I dislike small talk. I don't want to talk about

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Speaker 3: I want to know about if you're.

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Speaker 4: Similar to your mother or your father, or your childhood trauma,

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Speaker 4: say you're just like jumping in. Do you have something

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Speaker 3: I never don't know where to go.

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Speaker 1: I have questions on questions I went to lunch with

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Speaker 1: it's great. I'm always the one asking questions. It never

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Speaker 3: But I know something's so embarrassing.

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Speaker 4: Speaking of feedback, the feedback that I've gotten when I go.

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Speaker 3: On dates is like this must be good.

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Speaker 4: No, the feedback that I get when I go on

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Speaker 1: Where are they leaving these reviews? Is it like YELP

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Speaker 1: for dating Danielle? Where are you? How many stars are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm like in tears right now. I'm laughing so hard.

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Speaker 4: No, I think they'll tell like my friends.

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Speaker 3: You guys.

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Speaker 1: The more that I learn about Danielle's friends and their dynamics,

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Speaker 3: There's no boundaries. It's a true sisterhood. I don't think

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Speaker 4: Okay, wait, back to small talk. Yes, not my dating life. Okay,

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Speaker 4: here's the thing about small talk that I realized because

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Speaker 4: I'm good at it, like I really just go for

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Speaker 3: But I realized during.

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Speaker 4: these like low stakes interactions that we weren't half like

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Speaker 4: was like, wait, I kind of miss these moments. There

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Speaker 4: is an element of small talk where you learn from

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Speaker 4: a great restaurant in New Mexico.

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Speaker 3: Et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree. I think you can be thoughtful

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Speaker 1: even in small talk. Yes, something that I try to

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Speaker 1: avoid doing is just heading straight for the what do

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Speaker 1: you do question?

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Speaker 3: Or what's your career?

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Speaker 1: Especially in a city like Los Angeles. That's so that's

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Speaker 4: I have a question that I ask if I feel

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Speaker 4: like the conversation is lagging or it's a really good one,

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Speaker 4: if you just meet somebody, because it helps you remember

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Speaker 4: their name. When I meet somebody, I'll take you say, simone,

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Speaker 4: I'm just meeting Simone and I say, Simone, I love

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Speaker 3: If I do, right, I'm not gonna lie. And then

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Speaker 3: I say, like, who named you? What's the story behind

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Speaker 4: Lace up your sneakers, Bredsiders. Hannah Oakland is here talking

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Speaker 4: March Madness. Right after the break, we're back and we're

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Speaker 1: This has been a historic tournament on the women's side

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Speaker 1: Monday night's twenty twenty three championship rematch between Louisiana State

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Speaker 4: So a huge draw has been the tournament's star players,

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 4: Here to get us hype for this weekend's final four

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Speaker 4: She's a host, she's an athlete. She's one of my

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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, welcome. Oh I'm so hyped. This is amazing, Hannah.

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Speaker 1: I don't typically follow March Madness, but this year, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Write, Oh my gosh, I mean, there's so many levels

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Speaker 4: I love that you're saying, take a few steps back,

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Speaker 2: So women's college basketball has undoubtedly had a big spike

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Speaker 2: The first is social media. It encourages star power. It

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Speaker 5: NIL deals with women.

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Speaker 2: The second piece I think is the sports media outlets

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Speaker 1: So I feel like we got to start by talking

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Caitlin is different. She's not human. Going down to

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Speaker 3: Does that get we have to slow down for me?

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Speaker 4: Does that mean that she's the highest scorer in women's

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Speaker 4: There's something I'm seeing that I personally want to know

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Speaker 3: Do you see that?

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Speaker 5: You know? It's funny.

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Speaker 2: And it's just like anyone can take any moment and

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Speaker 1: I think it's all great. Honestly, Well that's Angel Reese's perspective.

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Speaker 4: All right, Hannah, we need to do a quick ad break,

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Speaker 1: Stick with us, all right, we're back with Hannah o Flann.

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Speaker 1: So I want to unpack the business side of this

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot here. A twenty twenty one

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Speaker 2: Completely game changer. I think certain school's only profit off

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Speaker 3: Their jersey purchases. A lot of athletes actually who.

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Speaker 1: I start thinking about how this opens up the pipeline

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Speaker 4: The only thing here is it's really affecting a small

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Speaker 2: And that's also how it's been with the WNBA as well.

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Speaker 4: It's a net positive, but I think it speaks to

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Speaker 4: your point about building up these players and who's responsible

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Speaker 4: for that, right, Like it's a two sided game.

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Speaker 1: I want to zoom out for a minute and just

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Speaker 1: talk about how this is shifting the narrative around women's sports.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've covered basketball on both the men's and

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Speaker 1: women's side, and Hannah, you were a D one athlete yourself.

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Speaker 1: What do you think is the biggest difference about the

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Speaker 1: conversations that we're having today surrounding female athletes versus those

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Speaker 1: conversations from five years ago.

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Speaker 2: I think the biggest difference is it's not an afterthought,

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Speaker 2: It's truly the main conversation you'll see even now. The

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Speaker 2: last game IOWA versus LSU, the twelve point three million

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Speaker 2: views was more than the men's NBA Finals last year,

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Speaker 2: which is crazy to think about eleven point six million

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Speaker 2: views for the twenty twenty three NBA Finals, twelve point

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Speaker 2: three million views for IOLSU, and that's not even the championship.

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Speaker 2: So I've gotten more texts, more dms from random people

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Speaker 2: about this game than I ever have. It's truly such

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Speaker 2: an exciting time to be part of this. And I've

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Speaker 2: been saying for a while, like, remember, your value doesn't

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Speaker 2: decrease based on someone's inability to see your worth.

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Speaker 3: So I love that Hannah.

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Speaker 2: This year, the ticket price for the Final four, the

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Speaker 2: cheapest ticket right now is six hundred and ninety two dollars.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to guess what it was in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 3: Seventy four, two hundred thirty five dollars.

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Speaker 5: Wosh. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I'm so glad to be alive during this time

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Speaker 2: in women's sports history. We're gonna be telling our future

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Speaker 2: kids about this bee Like back in my day, tickets

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Speaker 2: were just thirty bucks.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: The world is catching on, you know, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: there's been talent and there's also new talent coming in.

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Speaker 2: So it's not just gonna be this one moment, this

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Speaker 2: one wave. It's truly like a shift and it's I'm

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Speaker 2: just I really have chills even thinking about this moment

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Speaker 2: in time, but also what's to come.

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Speaker 5: There's so many new eyes.

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Speaker 3: I'm so fired up. I'm fired up. I need a tunnel.

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Speaker 3: Give me a tunnel. I want to run through it

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Speaker 3: right now.

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Speaker 4: There are some crazy mistakes that have been made during

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Speaker 4: this tournament.

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Speaker 5: Oh god.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: For example, the three.

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Speaker 4: Point lines were taped on incorrectly ahead of the Yukon

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Speaker 4: USC game. It was corrected, but it's hard to imagine

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Speaker 4: that happening in a men's tournament.

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Speaker 3: What's your take on that?

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Speaker 2: So the NCAA has a history of not fully considering

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Speaker 2: the woman's side. The three point line a few days

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Speaker 2: ago was just like, it's funny. Everyone's like, I can't

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Speaker 2: believe this is happening, and I'm like, I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 2: Like it's twenty twenty two. The NCAA finally made it

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Speaker 2: okay and allowed us to say March madness. Before that,

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Speaker 2: you couldn't call women's college tournament March madness. They only

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Speaker 2: use that for the men's and the amount of weight

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Speaker 2: that goes into March madness in the title. In general,

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Speaker 2: it's shocking. And then the one that went very viral

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Speaker 2: was Sedona Prince exposing the embarrassingly pathetic weight room.

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Speaker 1: Wait I remember this. A player posted a TikTok showing

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Speaker 1: the difference between the women's and men's weight rooms and

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Speaker 1: it was insane. I mean, there was no comparison. It

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Speaker 1: was just pathetic. It just goes to.

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Speaker 2: Show you the level of ignorance and also just like

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Speaker 2: what women athletes have to deal with constantly, and this

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Speaker 2: isn't just on the college basketball level. WNBA absolutely certain flights.

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Speaker 2: Not every player is flying first class. The payment in

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Speaker 2: general has improved, but still needs to go up. Then

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Speaker 2: also understand that a lot of them started so much

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Speaker 2: later than everyone else because of Title nine, and the

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Speaker 2: amount of progress that a lot of these leagues have

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Speaker 2: had in the short period of time compared to when

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Speaker 2: the men's league started is also pretty significant when you

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Speaker 2: think about it. It's also so important for us to

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Speaker 2: expose moments when this is happening, post about it and

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Speaker 2: shout them out, and care continue to invest in women's

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Speaker 2: sports and coverage, go to the games. Women's basketball isn't

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Speaker 2: just for women, Hannah. We can't let you leave without

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Speaker 2: hearing your predictions. So what did your bracket look like

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Speaker 2: headed into the tournament? And who is your money on?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 4: I want to see if it's the same as mine,

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Speaker 4: because you're obviously much more of an expert.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, listen, man, marsh madness is different. I

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Speaker 2: looked this up so wild. The audacity we have to

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Speaker 2: believe that our bracket could actually do well. If you

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Speaker 2: flip a coin, you have one and nine quintillion chants

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Speaker 2: of getting a perfect bracket.

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Speaker 3: What is quintillion quintillion I don't even know what that's

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Speaker 3: a Harry Potter number.

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Speaker 2: No one has ever made a perfect bracket, did you

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Speaker 2: get close? I have Iowa in South Carolina in the finals,

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Speaker 2: so they're that's exciting. Overall, the bracket isn't doing super hot,

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Speaker 2: but I don't. I don't know anyone who's doing well

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm already out. I had USC and LSU.

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Speaker 5: I mean that's good though.

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Speaker 3: That's a good guess.

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Speaker 4: So you have Iowa, that means your your money's on

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Speaker 4: Caitlin Clark.

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Speaker 2: My money is them being in the finals. The one

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Speaker 2: thing we haven't really fully talked about is the total

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Speaker 2: domination of South Carolina. The last time they lost a

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Speaker 2: regular season game was December thirtieth, twenty twenty one. This

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Speaker 2: is the fourth consecutive appearance they're having in Final four.

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Speaker 2: I genuinely going to this tournament thought they're the team

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Speaker 2: to be, and I still do. Their offensive rebounds are insane.

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Speaker 2: Cardos So just creates so many second chances for them,

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Speaker 2: So even if they're shooting percentage is low, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: The bench is so deep, even if they're in foul trouble,

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Speaker 2: it's a non issue for that reason, Pow Pow and

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Speaker 2: Malaysia are reliable scorers, and Malaysia is also, in my opinion,

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Speaker 2: one of like the shiftiest sauciest.

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Speaker 5: Players right now.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I think I want, truthfully, I want to

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Speaker 2: see Iowa win. I think it would be insane. I

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Speaker 2: think Kaitlin Clark's legacy is already so established. But the

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Speaker 2: top scorer in college basketball history leads her team to

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Speaker 2: the championship and wins, and then she goes number one

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Speaker 2: drafted in the WNBA, Like I just that's the story

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Speaker 2: I want. Honestly, you can't go wrong either way, and

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Speaker 2: both are just fantastic.

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Speaker 4: Hannah, I have one more question for you. You grew

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Speaker 4: up playing basketball. Your career now surrounds basketball. For parents

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Speaker 4: out there who have little girls, yeah, what has basketball

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Speaker 4: given you?

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Speaker 5: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing that people need to realize

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Speaker 2: is not only the value that sports has on making

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Speaker 2: you a better teammate, but the value it has in

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Speaker 2: making you a better person. I am more confident because

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Speaker 2: of basketball, and honestly, track and soccer and every other

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Speaker 2: sport that I played growing up. Sports has given me

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Speaker 2: the ability to feel like Number one. I deserve to

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Speaker 2: be there, I belong. So if you invest your kids

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Speaker 2: in sports from a young age, that's investing them in the.

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Speaker 3: Future of the world.

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Speaker 2: Like women being involved in higher places. Starts in gaining

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Speaker 2: that confidence and realizing consistency is important, realizing being good

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Speaker 2: teammate is important, and just seeing your full potential. And

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Speaker 2: I think that's something that parents can't teach. I think

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Speaker 2: kids have to go experience that and learn it themselves.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's why you should get your kid

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Speaker 2: involved in sports and see how into it they get.

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Speaker 2: And you know, if they don't like sports, get them

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Speaker 2: in music or are you know, like just kind to

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Speaker 2: be part of something. But I feel the most beautiful

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Speaker 2: when I'm just like sprinting, playing basketball, running in a

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Speaker 2: sports broad just like sweating and like going for it.

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Speaker 2: It's there's something that's so empowering and fun and alive

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Speaker 2: about that, and I hope everyone can feel that at

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Speaker 2: some point.

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Speaker 3: Hannah, thank you so much. You got me fired up girl.

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Speaker 5: You guys are you guys are awesome?

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Speaker 3: So are you. Thanks for your time and for your heart.

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Speaker 5: Anytime, of course.

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Speaker 1: Hannah O Flynn is a host, producer, and basketball super fan.

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Speaker 1: Find her on IG and TikTok at O'Flynn stone Danielle,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't kidding. I'm feeling fired up right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel fired up because of what she said

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Speaker 4: at the end of our conversation. You know, I hope

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Speaker 4: it came through in the interview, but if you were

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Speaker 4: in the room with us, I could feel her sincerity.

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Speaker 4: She was saying, like, I really feel beautiful when I'm

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Speaker 4: moving my body, and maybe it stuck out to me

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Speaker 4: because I feel the same way, like I lift weights. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I like how it makes my body look. But mostly

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Speaker 4: I lift weights because I feel so dope when I'm strong,

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Speaker 4: Like I feel so much more confident when I'm strong.

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Speaker 1: Well. I also love fitness and sports because the attention

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Speaker 1: most of the time is not on a woman's appearance.

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Speaker 1: Whenever she's playing a sport, it's on her potential as

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Speaker 1: an athlete. It's on how much she can lift, how

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Speaker 1: fast she can run. It's achievement based, and I just

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Speaker 1: get so tired of living in a society that prioritizes

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Speaker 1: our appearance. It's refreshing to be in sport and to

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Speaker 1: see women celebrated for something other than physical beauty.

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Speaker 3: So this is an interesting insight.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the top ten most followed athletes on Instagram are

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Speaker 4: all men. Okay, so people don't care about female athletes

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Speaker 4: as much yet on Instagram, but the top ten most

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Speaker 4: followed people in general on Instagram are predominantly women. And

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Speaker 4: so to your point, I think it's mostly performers. It's

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Speaker 4: like Ariana Grande, Kim Kardashian. I think we're so used

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Speaker 4: to seeing women's bodies perform, and we're used to men's

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Speaker 4: seeing men's bodies compete. This makes me so psyched because

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Speaker 4: we're really getting used to seeing women's bodies compete, and

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Speaker 4: we're buying in and it's like everybody's hyped around it.

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Speaker 1: I keep coming back to this idea of us being

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Speaker 1: at an inflection point with women's sports, and specifically this

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Speaker 1: one thing Hannah said when she was talking about the

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Speaker 1: history of women's basketball being undercovered and underfunded, and that

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Speaker 1: is this, Remember, your value doesn't decrease based on someone's

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Speaker 1: inability to see your worth. So I'm taking that with

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Speaker 1: me today. Yeah, I'm packing it up, We're leaving, throw.

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Speaker 3: It in the suitcase. I love it. We really want

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Speaker 3: to hear from you. Are you all watching the Final four?

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Speaker 4: Julia Weaver is the supervising producer and Ali Perry is

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Speaker 4: the executive producer for iHeart Podcasts. This week's episodes were

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Speaker 4: recorded by Graham Gibson.

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Speaker 1: The theme song is by Anna Stump and Hamilton Lighthouser.

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Speaker 4: Special thanks to Connell Byrne and Will Pearson.

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Speaker 1: I'm Simone Boyce. You can find me at Simone Boice

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Speaker 1: on Instagram and TikTok.

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Speaker 4: And I'm Danielle Robe on Instagram and TikTok. That's r

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Speaker 3: Y See you Monday fam. Keep looking on the bright side.