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Speaker 1: Oh, Timete Casper touch down, touch down time. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: one Bills like, welcome back, Yeah, welcome back. It's Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: We were here Monday, here yesterday about that. Welcome back,

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Speaker 1: We're back, Welcome to one goes Live. We took a

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Speaker 1: Conversation here starts as soon as we are both in

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Speaker 1: pretty good conversation too until we start. You know, much

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Speaker 1: What do we talk about today? Non bills discussion topics? Today?

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Speaker 1: We talked about Marion ar Sauce a moment ago. That

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Speaker 1: was a good conversation. We talked about our plans for

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Speaker 1: tomorrow night. Let's get this up right at the top

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Speaker 1: of the show. So tomorrow night at seven one six,

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Speaker 1: they've got a special pre screening of the NFL Network

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Speaker 1: NFL film special A Football Life Thurman Thomas Right, We've

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Speaker 1: talked about this with Thurman for several months now. A

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Speaker 1: pre screening tomorrow seven o'clock at seven one six. Steve

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Speaker 1: and I are gonna be there. We're excited about it.

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Speaker 1: It airs on NFL Network eight pm this Friday night.

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Speaker 1: If you can't get the seven one six, but we're

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Speaker 1: gonna make a We're gonna we're gonna be like the Instigators.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna hang out offsite at seven one six, like

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Speaker 1: the instigators who all the time. Steve, Tomorrow night, seven o'clock,

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Speaker 1: you and me, You and me, you're picking me up. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's your You have to because it was because what

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Speaker 1: or eight beers, No, nothing like that, but you're you know,

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Speaker 1: or we have to listen. If it gets out of control,

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Speaker 1: know parties, we gotta do. We gotta do what are

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Speaker 1: they called the Irish kobaye too? Oh yeah, yeah, We're

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Speaker 1: just we can't just go around the room, make that

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Speaker 1: We just gotta like disappear, right, we will disappear and

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Speaker 1: like a movie, you're leaving the credits. Yes, but I

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Speaker 1: Do you gotta get some good sleep tomorrow night? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: me too, and tonight too. I didn't sleep much last time.

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Speaker 1: So if it's a IF, it's a IF A Football Life,

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Speaker 1: it's got to be it's an hour long right on

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Speaker 1: what forty forty two, forty forty forty three minutes, forty

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Speaker 1: all right, and it's gonna they gonna what time is

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Speaker 1: By the way, it is free. It is open to

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Speaker 1: with Therman Thomas Thermo will be there as well. Tomorrow

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Speaker 1: night at seven o'clock. It's seven one six Food and

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Speaker 1: to the pub. I hope to see you there. Steve

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Speaker 1: and I will be there with their buddy Thurman, and

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Speaker 1: to take advantage of in that respect. Dermott talks about

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Speaker 1: replacing him yesterday a little bit, as did Leslie Frasier.

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Speaker 1: Frasier says Lorenzo Alexander will have some role to play

427
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Speaker 1: in replacing Matt Milano, but he said most of it

428
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Speaker 1: will fall between Dion Lacy, the linebacker who we expect

429
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Speaker 1: to have on the show coming up of this hour,

430
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Speaker 1: and Corey Thompson. Has been around. Rookie, been around all

431
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Speaker 1: year on the practice squad. Just signed you the active

432
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Speaker 1: roster about two weeks ago, so that's a replacement by committee.

433
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Speaker 1: According to Sean McDermot, how they will replace Matt Malanna

434
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Speaker 1: will see how that works out. Yesterday, Leslie Frasier met

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Speaker 1: with the media. He was asked about the linebackers, what

436
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Speaker 1: they're gonna do without Milano. He's also asked about Tredevious White.

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Speaker 1: Leslie Frasier, did you hear this told a really good

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Speaker 1: story about Tredevious White. I'm sorry Tremaine Edmonds when I'm

439
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Speaker 1: trying to say Tremaine Edmonds and how he has progressed

440
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Speaker 1: through the course of the season, how much more they

441
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Speaker 1: put on his shoulders through the course of a season.

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Speaker 1: Unleslie Frasier told this story got it for you right

443
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Speaker 1: here about what happened last week during the practice week

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Speaker 1: with Tremaine Edmonds and how his process of becoming the

445
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Speaker 1: leader of that defense has been accelerated. Listen to this

446
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Speaker 1: story example, maybe trying to speed up the process when

447
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Speaker 1: it comes to Tremaine leadership. Kyle approached me in practice

448
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Speaker 1: last week and then towards the end of practice and

449
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Speaker 1: usually on a Thursday, he brings the entire defense in

450
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Speaker 1: and they watch a segment of practice together and he

451
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Speaker 1: runs it. He's in control of it. He makes the calls,

452
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Speaker 1: he tells every you talk to everybody about what they

453
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Speaker 1: should be doing shouldn't be doing. Just players only, no

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Speaker 1: coaches involved. And he told me, said, coach, I'm want

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Speaker 1: to talk you for a minute. He said, today I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna put Tremaine in charge of the defense and the meetings.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have him to make all the calls, communicate

458
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Speaker 1: the corrections, talk to all the players about what they

459
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Speaker 1: should have shouldn't be doing, and just see how he does. So.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a great idea. I mean that's gonna

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Speaker 1: speed up the maturation and also help him with his leadership,

462
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Speaker 1: because ultimately, you want your middle linebacker to really be

463
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Speaker 1: running it both on the field and off the field,

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Speaker 1: and I asked him, asked Kyle afterwards, how did it go?

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Speaker 1: And he said, Coach, he did he did a great job.

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Speaker 1: I mean early on he was a little nervous, I

467
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Speaker 1: could tell, but he did a great job. And for

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Speaker 1: Kyl to be forward thinking like that, that's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he wants to see Tremaine, you know, be

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Speaker 1: in charge and take over the defense, and that's another

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Speaker 1: another step and speeding up that process. So it's great

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Speaker 1: to see that from one of our true leaders in Kyle.

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Speaker 1: You're fully aware of what Kyle means to this team

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Speaker 1: and who means to this defense, and for him to

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Speaker 1: in some ways past that baton or at least, you know,

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Speaker 1: give his blessing to Tremaine and believe that he's prepared

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Speaker 1: for a moment like that. What does that say about

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Speaker 1: what Kyle and what you know, what Tremaine has done

479
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Speaker 1: well speaks to Kyle's humility obviously, and the type of

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Speaker 1: leader that he is. I mean, he has no ego,

481
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Speaker 1: and all the guys look at cow because of his

482
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Speaker 1: experience and the fact that he's a heck of a

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Speaker 1: football player. But for him to be thinking about the

484
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Speaker 1: team and the team's future, I mean, that's that just

485
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,719
Speaker 1: blew me away, you know, because we count on Cal

486
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,959
Speaker 1: for so many reasons, so many things in our defense.

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Speaker 1: And then I'll be thinking about how can I help Tremaine,

488
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Speaker 1: you know, take over to do this now rather than

489
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Speaker 1: at the end of the season, sit down with him

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Speaker 1: and talk to him about passing the baton and so

491
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Speaker 1: on and so for. But he's doing it now. So

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Speaker 1: it just speaks to his character and his mility and

493
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Speaker 1: understanding what a great leader is and he epitomizes that

494
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Speaker 1: for our football team. Great story by Bill's defensive corner

495
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Speaker 1: Leslie Fraser yesterday. It's revealing in a couple of ways,

496
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Speaker 1: I think, Steam, I want to get your thoughts on

497
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Speaker 1: this too. Revealing in how much how highly they regard

498
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Speaker 1: Trema and Edmunds, Kyle Williams, his teammates Leslie Frasier thinking

499
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Speaker 1: that he can handle this right, he can run the

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Speaker 1: team the players only. I mean, this is a twenty

501
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Speaker 1: year old rookie. You go ahead and run the players

502
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Speaker 1: only defensive meeting right. Secondly, it's revealing if you need

503
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Speaker 1: any more evidence of Kyle Williams and his stature around

504
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Speaker 1: this team and his approach to this team It reveals

505
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Speaker 1: an awful lot about him and what he thinks of

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Speaker 1: this franchise. How it's less he frets said at the end.

507
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 1: There you know, he's not thinking about himself. He's thinking

508
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: about what's good for this team down the road. I

509
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 1: think that's a tremendous story. It's a tremendous anecdote about

510
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Speaker 1: Kyle and where he has come from from being draft

511
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: in the fifth round so many years ago, and what

512
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: he's evolved into and through the hardships and the and

513
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 1: the good and the ups, the good and the bad

514
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: and the ups and the downs. Speaks a lot about him.

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Speaker 1: And I think most people you know have a very

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Speaker 1: obviously a very high regard for Kyle. And I gotta

517
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Speaker 1: tell you too, you can tell a twenty year old

518
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Speaker 1: you said, twenty year old rookie. I've said this a

519
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Speaker 1: lot of times. The toughest audience I think there is

520
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 1: is an NFL meeting room. It's a hard room to control,

521
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 1: and it's a hard room to command and to put.

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Speaker 1: Guys have to learn you got to grow into a

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Speaker 1: Tremaine Edmonds at twenty years old, who's now he's got

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Speaker 1: the clicker and that's what we cut the clicker is

525
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Speaker 1: that which the guy who runs the film back and forth,

526
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Speaker 1: who has the floor in a meeting of that stature

527
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: says a lot about where he needs to get to

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Speaker 1: and where he is and how he handled it. Kyle,

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Speaker 1: as you can tell, Kyle had been doing it for

530
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Speaker 1: probably quite a few years, and to give that role

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Speaker 1: to somebody else says a lot about Kyle, But it

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Speaker 1: also says something about the guy he chose to give

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Speaker 1: it to, twenty year old Brook. He chose to give

534
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Speaker 1: it to the right You know, we'll see if he

535
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Speaker 1: chose to give it to the right guy. But it

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Speaker 1: seems at this point he did really good story from

537
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Speaker 1: Leslie Fraser yesterday. There was more injury news yesterday. You're

538
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: probably on it by now. Lashawan McCoy hamstring. It could

539
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: have been worse. According to Sean McDermot. They say he

540
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: is now day to day bills to get back to

541
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Speaker 1: practice SMR. I'll see what they have there. Chris Ivory

542
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Speaker 1: his backup with a shoulder. He is listed his day

543
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Speaker 1: to day and so you know, is there a move

544
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: to be made rosterwise? I mean, think about it. Terren

545
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: Johnson never replaced him on the roster. The nickel corner.

546
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Speaker 1: Now Matt Milano's out, they might need they might have

547
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Speaker 1: a couple of open spots here to fill in. And

548
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: maybe it's running back, right, it might. If they don't

549
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: get both Ivory and Lashawn back, they're probably gonna have

550
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Speaker 1: to call up Keith Ford from the practice squad to

551
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: play running back. Yeah, and Marcus Murphy just you know,

552
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: he goes into the number one spot. And the thing

553
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: about it is as big a struggle as it was

554
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: for the Bill's coverage teams and special teams this last week.

555
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: It's gonna get harder. You take start taking Marcus Murphy

556
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Speaker 1: off the table for them. You start taking guys like

557
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: they did with Isaiah McKenzie liked with Robert Foster, with

558
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: all these guys that took over at the wide receiver spot.

559
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: That's just a couple of guys fewer that you've got

560
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 1: to cover kicks. It showed up in a big way.

561
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Speaker 1: The ripple effects starts on special teams when you get

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Speaker 1: these injuries and these guys who depart the roster at

563
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Speaker 1: the top, at the down and distance guys. The guys

564
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: are on offense and defense. The first time you see

565
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: it is in special teams, and it showed up in

566
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: a big way on Sunday, and it's not gonna get

567
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: better for him. When you got two top running backs out,

568
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: Marcus Murphy's up, you got guys off the practice squad up,

569
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Speaker 1: and they're gonna be asked, not just they're gonna be

570
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Speaker 1: asked to come and start covering kicks. You don't cover

571
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Speaker 1: kicks on the practice squad. Nobody practices that you're you're

572
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: impersonating the other team's running back, you're impersonating your own

573
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 1: running you're taking reps at running back, you're doing regular

574
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: down and distance. You don't you don't get a practice

575
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: any of the special team stuff. So it's it's not

576
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: going to get any better for Bill's special teams. With

577
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: all the injuries that have suddenly hit their roster, it's

578
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: going to get worse. We'll see who shows up and

579
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Speaker 1: plays and lines up in practice tomorrow at the running

580
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Speaker 1: back spot. McCoy is an issue, as you heard day

581
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: to day, Chris Ivory is an issue, and maybe Keith

582
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Speaker 1: Ford gets a chance to play this week. We'll see

583
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Speaker 1: Chris Brown talking about him yesterday. Very highly regarded undrafted

584
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: rookie free agent from Texas A and M. Keith Ford

585
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: started his college career at Oklahoma, later transferred to A

586
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: and M, and the Builds have had him around since

587
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Speaker 1: after the draft last year, He's developed some esteem among

588
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: the coaching step. Ryan Dabo, the offensive coordinator, talked yesterday

589
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: about what he's seen and what he likes about practice

590
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: squad of running back keith Ford got a soft spot

591
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Speaker 1: for him. The way he works one hundred percent all

592
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: the time out at practice on a look team, gives

593
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: great effort. One of those guys that kind of stands

594
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: in the background when we're working our reps and is

595
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: asking a lot of questions. Just a young guy that's

596
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: trying to develop the best he can. And you know,

597
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: you appreciate guys like that, maybe young guys Robert Foster

598
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: for years now and yeah, seeing what he did yesterday

599
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: and hands rolling, he had like ninety six percent of

600
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: the NATS. Yeah, how has his progression come along from

601
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: even last year when you were with him to now?

602
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: I'd say significant still has ways to go and he

603
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: knows that. But you know, he has such tremendous speed.

604
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: Then you have to combine the speed with actually being

605
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: able to play fast and hear the play call and

606
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: go out there and execute at a fast tempo. Be

607
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: on the same page with the quarterback. Understand all the

608
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: responsibilities and the route adjustments that come along with playing.

609
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: You know, the last four weeks for him, he's done

610
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: a lot of good things for us, Certainly things we'd

611
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: like to clean up. You know, I had a couple

612
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: of penalties yesterday. But another young guy that I think

613
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,959
Speaker 1: is coming along. We're just going to have to keep

614
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: continuing to build that relationship between him and Josh. All

615
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: the little intricacies that come with thrown with anticipation, break

616
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: and when we need to break, being where we need

617
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: to be. But has made you know, has made progress

618
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: each and every week. Ryan Daybell talking about Keith for

619
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: the running back and Robert Foster, both undrafted rookies. We're

620
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: getting to know these rookies pretty well. More on then

621
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: in a moment the rest of the injury news, we

622
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: talked about the running backs. Stephen house Kill has a

623
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: hip He's going to be day to day that would

624
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: be important to follow all week. Ryan Lewis backup corner

625
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: in concussion protocol. Derek Anderson remains in concussion protocol. Jason

626
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: Crown we missed last week, day to day with a

627
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: growing it's it's kind of a messy. And it all

628
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: came out of the blue. They were really healthy going

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00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: in the last couple of weeks, two weeks ago, they

630
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: were really healthy. And now it hit him like a

631
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: ton of bricks. All the quick crawl the roster and

632
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: you get these guys that are day to day. And

633
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, la Sean McCoy with the hamstring,

634
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: it's probably as a veteran that he is, if it's

635
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: day to day, it means it really didn't He knew

636
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: he could feel it early and shut it down. And

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Speaker 1: I think it's really smart for him to shut it down.

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Speaker 1: They got a chance to get him back. Now if

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Speaker 1: he pulls his hamstring and really goes, he's done for

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Speaker 1: the year. I mean, I'll never get back in time

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Speaker 1: to be to contribute. And they need him going forward,

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Speaker 1: saying and U and then Chris Ivory with his shoulder,

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Speaker 1: that's you know, who knows how that's going to turn out.

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Speaker 1: But all these injuries, heck, wow, it's it's like they

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Speaker 1: got a dump truck, you know, they got they expected,

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Speaker 1: they expected a delivery of injuries and they got it.

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Speaker 1: It came. It came on last Sunday. So yeah, Hey,

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Speaker 1: So as of last Sunday and the Buffalo loss to

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Speaker 1: the Jets, they are officially eliminated from playoff contention. They

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Speaker 1: are in player development mode in many respects, as we've

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Speaker 1: talked about in today's showing throughout the last couple of days,

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Speaker 1: and that leads to our Twitter poll. With the twenty

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Speaker 1: eighteen Bills eliminated from playoff contention, what's the most important

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Speaker 1: thing they need to make a playoff push in twenty nineteen?

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Speaker 1: Something maybe they can do in the remaining three games

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Speaker 1: this year, or the offseason goals. Let's know what you think.

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Speaker 1: We've got phone lines open eight o three oh five

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Speaker 1: fifty toll free. It's one eight eight eight five fifty

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Speaker 1: two five fifty or on Twitter. Vote on our Twitter

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Speaker 1: poll again, what's the most important thing the Bills need

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Speaker 1: to make a playoff push in twenty nineteen? On Twitter?

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Speaker 1: Fifty nine percent of you so far say they need

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Speaker 1: additions to the offensive line, twenty seven percent of you

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Speaker 1: say they need better talented wide receiver, eleven percent of

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Speaker 1: you say you need to see more development in Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: three percent of something else in mind, the most important

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Speaker 1: thing the Bills need to make a playoff push in

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, something they can get done now, or something

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Speaker 1: they need to get done in the offseason. We're not

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Speaker 1: there yet, three games to go, but it's time to

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Speaker 1: start looking at that, I would think, give us a call,

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Speaker 1: let us know what you think. Eight O three oh

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Speaker 1: five fifty and toll free one eight eight eight five

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Speaker 1: fifty two five fifty And as usual on Tuesdays, it's

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Speaker 1: time for the Blue Rock Solar Bills Player of the

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Speaker 1: Week winner. It's sponsored by Rock Solar tapp into solar

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Speaker 1: a proud supporter of the Buffalo Bills. Your votes are

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Speaker 1: in the Blue Rock Solar Bills Player of the Week

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen Quarterback. He got thirty six percent of the votes.

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Speaker 1: Robert Foster got twenty percent, Isa McKenzie got nineteen Trimmin

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Speaker 1: Edmonds got twenty five percent. Josh Allen the Blue Rocks

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Speaker 1: Solar Bills Player of the Week. We're just getting rolling here,

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Speaker 1: John Murphy, Steve Tasker one Bills Live presented by a

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Speaker 1: lot of health from One Bill's Drive. And this is

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back to One's Live John Murphy

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker comedy from our one Buffalo studio. Yeah, kind

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Speaker 1: of a cut tap of day here in Orchard Park today,

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Speaker 1: see this one. I usually like to recap the weather.

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Speaker 1: We get that first look on the MSG side of

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Speaker 1: the great wide shot of new error field and look,

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Speaker 1: it's all it's like there's no sky behind it. That's

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Speaker 1: how gray and clouds on a drab it looks like

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Speaker 1: it's on a white screen in a like a model

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Speaker 1: in the studio. The sky is exactly white. This. I'm

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Speaker 1: alright with this today. What scares me though, And I

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Speaker 1: thought about this today when I was getting dressed and

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Speaker 1: looking outside and seeing that kind of whether, I said,

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Speaker 1: is this is this what it's going to look like

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Speaker 1: from now until April? Yeah? That's scary? Pretty m pretty

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Speaker 1: much it is. I'm pretty much sure it is. Although

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Speaker 1: that scares only what's the day? Today's eleventh? Yes, dem eleven?

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Speaker 1: Ten more days until we get to December twenty first,

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Speaker 1: which is the solstice. Yes, and then it'll start getting

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Speaker 1: lighter rather than starting get dark. It's dark at like

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Speaker 1: nine am. That's another part that bothered me. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I'm up at six fifteen, six thirty. It wasn't light

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Speaker 1: until seven thirty in the morning. I got up at

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Speaker 1: I got a same thing. I got up at six

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Speaker 1: forty five this morning, and it was pitch black until

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Speaker 1: seven thirty. And now but we leave here and by

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Speaker 1: four o'clock, four ten, it's dark again. All right, I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna wind anymore. I know what's coming, I know

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Speaker 1: what's here. I don't mind. Yeah, it's fine. I won't whine,

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Speaker 1: don't apologize for being happy in a place like this.

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Speaker 1: That's what I do. I like it. I like it.

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Speaker 1: I will all the lim in here. I just the

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Speaker 1: weather gets again, no sunshine. Is this what it's going

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Speaker 1: to be for the next five might be? I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I can handle that. Hey, what's the most

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Speaker 1: important thing the Bills need to do to make a

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Speaker 1: playoff push in twenty nineteen? And to be clear, and

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Speaker 1: I'm adamant about this, Steve Tasker, this season is not over. Yes,

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Speaker 1: they are eliminated from the playoffs officially. I get that.

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Speaker 1: There's plenty to play for it. I maintain what I

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Speaker 1: said a couple of weeks ago, it feels like there's

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Speaker 1: more meaningful games this year with these three meaningless games,

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Speaker 1: and the Bills have had for a while last year.

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Speaker 1: Obviously they're in the playoff hunt, but I know they

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Speaker 1: can't make the playoffs. But if these games mean something,

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Speaker 1: with the rookie quarterback, with all the rookies who are playing,

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Speaker 1: with the rookies who are yet to play and got

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Speaker 1: to get a chance to play, I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 1: these final three games. But with that in mine, our

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Speaker 1: Twitter poll and our topic on the floor, with the

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Speaker 1: Bills eliminated, what's the most important thing they need to

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Speaker 1: make a playoff push next season? Is an upgraded talent

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Speaker 1: and wide receiver. Is an offensive line editions, more development

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Speaker 1: from Josh Allen, something else? Give us a call eight

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Speaker 1: oh three five fifty or toll free one eight eight

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Speaker 1: five fifty. Say I'll say this like you. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think about this and what we talk about all

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Speaker 1: the time. You know, you're we're at home, when you're

745
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: kind of watching TV or whatever, shaven or shower or whatever,

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Speaker 1: you're thinking about what you're going to talk about. And

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Speaker 1: this struck me particularly this week because now mathematically they're

748
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Speaker 1: not going to get to the playoffs. You know what,

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Speaker 1: at this point, I can't take my eyes off this team.

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Speaker 1: I really like watching that got the number one defense

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Speaker 1: in the league, and they got this quarterback who's trying

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Speaker 1: to do it all himself. And it's coming pretty close, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's coming closer than I thought he would.

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Speaker 1: I knew, yeah, yeah, okay, he's got a great arm.

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Speaker 1: What I didn't know he could do was outrun just

756
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Speaker 1: about everybody on the field that he snapped one off

757
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: and against the Jets, and early in that game the

758
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: other day, I was like, he's really fast fast. I

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00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: was shocked, and I've been and he's wiled me every game.

760
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Speaker 1: So I love watching the defense play because they're number

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Speaker 1: one in the league and this guy, josh Alan is fun.

762
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: I mean, it's fun to watch him play. It's fun

763
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Speaker 1: to watch him throw it like I've like nobody else can,

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Speaker 1: you know. It's fun to watch him run and make

765
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Speaker 1: guys look, you know, like they can't keep up. You

766
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Speaker 1: don't see a quarterback do that very often. And the offense,

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Speaker 1: for all its limitations up front or on the outside

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Speaker 1: of the edge, as you got these young guys on

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Speaker 1: the edges now, which I was really intrigued by and

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Speaker 1: I want to see him play more. So I'm really

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Speaker 1: even in the midst of this season where it's it's

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Speaker 1: a disappointment, I think in the final record, I'm really

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Speaker 1: I can't take my eyes off this group. I think

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Speaker 1: it's really fun to watch him every minute and they're

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Speaker 1: gonna be Listen, they're competitive right now. They're much different

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Speaker 1: team than they were early in the season. Josh makes

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Speaker 1: him that way. Hey, some competitive certainly defensively, they can

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Speaker 1: play with any team in the National Football League. So

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Speaker 1: right now you gotta think, wow, they're really they're competitive

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Speaker 1: football team now. They weren't at times early in the season,

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Speaker 1: you know, in that opening game day loss, and you

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Speaker 1: think of all the injuries they started getting, when Josh

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Speaker 1: got his elbow dinged, when Derek Anderson got a concussion,

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, you got you had Derek Anderson

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Speaker 1: two weeks off the street, you had Matt Barkley two

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Speaker 1: weeks off the street. So they went through some dark

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00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: times this season and you can kind of look back

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00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: and say, wow, it it was pretty rough. But now

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Speaker 1: they've got Josh Allen back in there. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: they are competitive with anybody they're on the field with.

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Speaker 1: They've been in three close games. They won one of them.

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Speaker 1: They won the Jacksonville game, and then they dropped one

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Speaker 1: of the Jets and the Dolphins, but they were both

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Speaker 1: close games. They're competitive now, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, how far away are they really?

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Speaker 1: You know, certainly their offensive line can be upgraded. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how. Josh seems to not have a problem

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00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: thrown to these guys. Uh, certainly, maybe they'll get better separation,

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Speaker 1: but the offensive line gets gets shored up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know why. I know, none of us.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. If you can evaluate Leshaun McCoy what

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Speaker 1: he has left in the tank, or Chris Ivory, you

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Speaker 1: can say, man, they have not done anything. Wow, let's

804
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Speaker 1: face it. Their offensive line has been a struggle all year.

805
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Speaker 1: And nobody's running on this team. Nobody's running the ball

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Speaker 1: on this team. It's just they're just not good at it.

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Speaker 1: They're not good at run blocking, and they're they're so

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Speaker 1: so at best at pass blocking. And that's where they're

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Speaker 1: sitting right now. Their offensive line hasn't come together so

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you evaluate Lashawn McCoy or Chris

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Speaker 1: Ivory or Marcus Murphy for that matter. So but even so,

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Speaker 1: they seem competitive now at this point of the season

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Speaker 1: with a month to go. I want to see him

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Speaker 1: play against these teams too. I think I think they can.

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Speaker 1: They can win out, you know, not even it does

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Speaker 1: them any good. And you'll have all these people, you know,

817
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: snark on Twitter saying, you know, they hope they lose

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Speaker 1: all three of them because they want a better draft pick.

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Speaker 1: And I get all that too, but they're not gonna

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Speaker 1: try and lose these games. He's got and you can

821
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Speaker 1: tell Joston Gonna, he's gonna be out there busting his

822
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Speaker 1: hump trying to win these games. What do you think

823
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: what's the most important thing that Bills Knew need to

824
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Speaker 1: do to establish a playoff push? Give us a call.

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Speaker 1: Here's Greg and Buffalo How Greg? Go ahead, you're on

826
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Speaker 1: the air, Hey, how are you doing? I got a

827
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Speaker 1: couple of questions. One is, do you think you know,

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Speaker 1: with the season going the way it is and everything,

829
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Speaker 1: that Kyle Williams is going to return. You know, he

830
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Speaker 1: was playing like he was like twenty nine, twenty eight,

831
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Speaker 1: and a half this year. You know, it'd be hard

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Speaker 1: to you know, not see him on that field. I mean,

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Speaker 1: of course, when he's done, it's gonna be hired not

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Speaker 1: to see him over here. Anyway, I agree. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what the answer is that. I you know, last year,

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Speaker 1: I think he came close and then had a long

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Speaker 1: conversation postseason with Sean McDermott decided to come back. I

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Speaker 1: don't know where Kyle's head is at on this. I'm

839
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Speaker 1: sure he's gonna get asked pretty soon, right, Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: I think too. I think the question is what's Kyle

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Speaker 1: want to do, and it'll be up to him and

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Speaker 1: his family. His wife and he have a bunch of kids.

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Speaker 1: They're at the age now where it'd be nice for

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Speaker 1: Kyle to be around more. They live in in Louisiana.

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Speaker 1: Moving back and forth is going to get more cumbersome

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Speaker 1: as the kids get older. I know how that was

847
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Speaker 1: for me and my family. We had four kids while

848
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: I was playing, and the fifth one was born two

849
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: months after I retired. It's a consideration because you know,

850
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: to move him back and forth becomes harder and harder

851
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: as you get the older ones into school age and

852
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: all of that, So it'll be up to Kyle. I

853
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: think I don't think there's any question the Bills would

854
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: let him come back if he wanted another year. Certainly

855
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: he could contribute whatever his role would be, but I

856
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: think it's up to him. Great, yet another point to make.

857
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: What was it a question for you, Steve. I've been

858
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: listening to this show since September fourth, and every time

859
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: this show starts, I just want to know what are

860
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: you eating? You're eating something like what are you that's

861
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: just me drink either drinking pop or drinking water or

862
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: something like that. Oh, I just wanted to know that

863
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: makes better than that invents something caviare that's better. Thanks,

864
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: you have a good one. Thanks great. Took to a

865
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: Bill in Rochester. Hello Bill, Hey, guys, I just want

866
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: to get your opinion on there's playing Devil's Advocate GM

867
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: we Well, first of all, the offensive line you still

868
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: got to smash people's faces to this day a number one.

869
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: But let's just say you go get Kareem Hunt, mine

870
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: your practice squad for the rest of the year. Then

871
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: in July see what you have. Yeah. Um, you any

872
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: concerns about the character issues with Kareem Hunt, to your

873
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: mind though your issues with the Patriots or the Jets

874
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: grabbing him, because let's face it, this FL and these

875
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: aren't they're alpha dudes. There's bad dudes in this league. Yeah. Yeah,

876
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: here's here's my here's my point, Bill, it's the NFL, man,

877
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: I know it's yeah, I know he's like that on

878
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: the roster. Here's my point, Bill. I I think if

879
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: you've got a dominant offensive line, running backs become a

880
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: lot easier to find. You don't need Kareem Hunt. Um

881
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: that Kareem Hunt's not a great player. He is. He

882
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: led the league in rushing last year on a really

883
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: good football team. I'm I don't know what's going to

884
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: happen in the future. I would be shocked if the

885
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills signed Kareem Hunt. Shocked. And I don't know, Bill,

886
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: And I know, Bill, you're being devil's avkin. I don't

887
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: think you believe it's gonna happen either. There might be

888
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: teams out there, and might be more than one or

889
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: two that are considering it. I don't think it's gonna

890
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: happen here. So you know that's that's for guys above

891
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: my pay grade to decide that but I would be

892
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: absolutely flabbergasted if they even thought about it in this building.

893
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: Thank you Bill, We're gonna take a rank, come back

894
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: with more. One Bill slide from One Bill's Drive and

895
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: this is Buffalo Bill's Radio. I'm now for New York

896
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: State Lottery. Inside the Numbers. Did you know Josh Allen

897
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: wanted one yards rushing against the Jets? He became the

898
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: first Buffalo Bill since Fred Jackson in two eleven with

899
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: three consecutive rushing games of ninety five yards or more,

900
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: joining Jackson, Durman Thomas, and O. J. Simpson the only

901
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: players to achieve that feat. Josh Allen running with the football,

902
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: that's his deal. New York State Lottery. Inside and the

903
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: Numbers take a break from the expected play scratch off

904
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: games from the New York Lottery. A lot of times

905
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: spent yesterday in the Sean mcdermot's news conference, Steve talking

906
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: about that, how much they want Josh Allen to run,

907
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: whether they want him to run. It's a balancing act,

908
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: isn't it. I mean, you don't. It's a strong part

909
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: of what the Bills do, maybe the only strong thing

910
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 1: they've had in their offense for a couple of weeks,

911
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: but you don't want to you don't want to move

912
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: into the future. I'm talking next year with that being

913
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: the focal point of your offense. It simply cannot be

914
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: You agree, Well, it's interesting too, I've I've heard a

915
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff. Most of the runs he has are

916
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: not called runs, right, for instance, in Baltimore. Almost the

917
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: reverse is true with Lamar Jackson. They've got their calling

918
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: runs for him, and he's having great success doing it.

919
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: Josh Allen is throwing it a little and running it

920
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: a lot on called passes. Lamar Jackson is throwing it

921
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: when he's asked to throw it, but running it because

922
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: he's asked to run it a lot. So the question

923
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: becomes and Sean McDermott says that every time they asked

924
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: about Josh Allen is running, You're always going to have

925
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: those conversations with a quarterback who runs the ball. Is

926
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: it enough? Is it too much? Is it sustainable? Is

927
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: he gonna is he gonna survive? Is he taking too

928
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: many big hits? Is he not, you know, doing it

929
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: at the right time all of that stuff? Is he

930
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: missing open targets down field? Is he is he pulling

931
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: the ball down too fast. All of that stuff is

932
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: always asked about quarterbacks who run a lot, and Josh

933
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: Allen runs a bunch and it has really served him

934
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: well thus far. And he's taking some shots. He you

935
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: see him sliding a lot more than he did in

936
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: the beginning, but better. That's gonna be something I think

937
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: that's gonna follow him throughout his career. Not that it's

938
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: gonna dog him throughout his career, but I think it's

939
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: gonna be something you have to ask all the time

940
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: because he's so good at it. I mean, he's a

941
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: Cam Newton kind of running guy. He's kind of like

942
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: a John Elway was when he ran. He was like

943
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: Steve Young before early in his career was that way.

944
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: Certainly Michael Vick, Randall Cunningham was that way. But all

945
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks over the course, Fran Tarkington was a was

946
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: a scatterbox back there. He ran all over the place

947
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: trying to throw it. He didn't run up the field

948
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: very much. So you've seen all these guys in the

949
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: history of the league. Some of them are really successful

950
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: and some of them, yeah, okay, you know, they were

951
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: fun to watch. So we're gonna be asking that about

952
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 1: Josh Allen until he starts throwing for three hundred yards

953
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: and three touchdowns and no interceptions, you know, then you'll say, well,

954
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: you don't need to run it. I'd rather have you

955
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 1: throw it. Let's take your call here. Jason in Mayville,

956
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: New York, A on on what the Bills need for

957
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: next year. Jason, what do you think? Yeah? I agree

958
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: with Steve. I think we need an offensive line that

959
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: can open up some holes for our running backs. Absolutely. Okay,

960
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: would you say two and a half offensive lineman? They need?

961
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: Who's the half guy? Two and a half? Two and

962
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: a half to three? You know, I'm saying it's two

963
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: to three, three starters, right, we're talking about starting offense.

964
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: And I don't know, and yeah, maybe yeah. And I

965
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: was having a conversation with Sean McDermott, yes, and I said,

966
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: I don't even know. Wouldn't even presume to know really

967
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: what the problem is upfront? I mean you're saying, and

968
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: he said it a couple of times, you gotta win

969
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. We've got to start winning the

970
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. It's been a mantra of his throughout

971
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: this season. So obviously they're not you gotta find guys

972
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: who will and I don't know how many guys are

973
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: to change out that would make that start happening. Certainly,

974
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: we've seen Dion Dawkins play well in his career, a

975
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: young career, and and Jordan Mills seemed to play better

976
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: last year than he did this year. Is that a

977
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: function of the guys inside that are not playing as

978
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: well and the tackles are starting, you know, is starting

979
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: to affect their play or is it something else? And

980
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: that's I don't know. One job one in the off season,

981
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: I think so, yeah, And I think that may be

982
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: where you hit free agency. Yeah, I think offensive lineman

983
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: or a little bit more inexpensive, even the top flight ones.

984
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: You're not paying twenty seven million bucks for one of

985
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: the tackles like you would a quarterback, like eighty four

986
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: million guaranteed for Kirk Cousins. We don't need to do that.

987
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: So you can get a great, a top flight offensive

988
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: lineman for way less than that. I think they can

989
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: afford to do that, all right. We got one hour down,

990
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: a couple hours to go and coming up in the

991
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: next hour. Peter King from Football Morning in America Rights

992
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 1: for NBC Sports Pro Football Talk, longtime NFL reporter for

993
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: thirty plus years, Peter King with his regular Tuesday afternoon visit.

994
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: He's standing by to join us next. One Bill's Live

995
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 1: from One Bill's Drive and this is Buffalo Bills Radio. Hello,

996
00:47:55,560 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: Bills Radio Network Stories, the update from One Bill's Right.

997
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: Players day off here at One Bill's Drive as the

998
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: Bills get set for another game coming up on Sunday,

999
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions coming to town. Lionston't play here often

1000
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: and they've only won here once. We'll talk about that

1001
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: game a little bit later on. This hour goes with

1002
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: a number of injury issues going into this game. They've

1003
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: got to find a replacement for linebacker Matt Milano, who

1004
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: had the surgery on a fractured fibula yesterday. He is

1005
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: out for the rest of the year. They got to

1006
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: find his replacement. Lashan McCoy is going to be day

1007
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: to day with a hamstring strain that he suffered on

1008
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: Sunday against the Jets. His backup Chris Ivory day to

1009
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: day with a shoulder. Bills kicker Stephen house Kill with

1010
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: a hip injury. He's listed his day to day after

1011
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: he took a hit from behind in the game. Jason

1012
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: Croom day to day with a groin injury that's kept

1013
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: him out the last week. Ryan Lewis and concussion protocol,

1014
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: backup quarnerback Eric Anderson in concussion protocol. Taren Johnson out

1015
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: for the rest of the year. Injuries to deal with

1016
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: for the Bills as they get set to host the

1017
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: Lions on Sunday here at New Air of Field. The

1018
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings have fired their offensive coordinator. First year offensive

1019
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: cointator John d Philippo has been let go. The former

1020
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: Eagles quarterbacks coach, He was considered a favorite for a

1021
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: head coaching job as early as next year, but the Vikings,

1022
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: after their twenty one to seven lost last night, decided

1023
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: that d Filippo would be the fall guy, and he

1024
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 1: has been let go. Seattle beat Minnesota with a twenty

1025
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: one seven victory or the Vikings last night. Seahawks go

1026
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: to eight and five and Minnesota drops to six six

1027
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: and one. Minnesota now in the sixth and final wild

1028
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: card position in the NFC. With that loss last night,

1029
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick blames himself points the finger at himself for

1030
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 1: their breakdown on the Dolphins game ending sixty nine yard touchdown.

1031
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: Among other issues that came up last Sunday in Miami's

1032
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 1: loss or in the New England's lost to the Miami Dolphins,

1033
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: Belichick talked about playing tight end Rob Gronkowski, putting him

1034
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: on the field, saying it would be his ability to

1035
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: play the deep long throw, which did not come. The

1036
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: Vikings scored the game winning touchdown on a series of laterals,

1037
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: and Gronkowski says that's on him. He said it was

1038
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: a little too hard to get to the end zone.

1039
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: Savers La Kings to night Key Bank Center face off

1040
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: seven o'clock tonight as the Buffalo Sabers try to snap

1041
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: a five game losing street. And that is the update

1042
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 1: from One Goes Drive. John Murphy and Steve Tasker, joined

1043
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: on the line by Peter King, are usually to our

1044
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: usual Tuesday visitor, the author of Football Morning in America,

1045
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 1: a great column, a comprehensive column that comes out every

1046
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: Monday on Pro Football Talk at NBC Sports. Peter, longtime

1047
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: NFL observer and writer. Happy to have him with us

1048
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: here today. Peter, Hello, John Murphy and Steve here in Buffalo.

1049
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: How are you doing today? I'm doing great. Hey, Listen,

1050
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: you just said the Sabers have lost five in a row.

1051
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: I thought they won every game they did, didn't. They

1052
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: have an incredible streak. They did for a minute, Peter,

1053
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: and it was fun while it lasted. But it's over.

1054
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: They've given half of those ten wins back in the

1055
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: last weekend. Some people blame us, believe it or not, Peter, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it could. I blame you totally. We blame ourselves. Yeah, Peter,

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Speaker 1: did you see the Jets Bills game the other day?

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Speaker 1: What'd you think of the two quarterbacks? Well, I mean

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Speaker 1: I thought I was I was mostly watching the uh,

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs and Ravens, but I saw a bunch of it,

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Speaker 1: and I saw the end of your game. I had

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Speaker 1: taped it and went back and saw the end of it.

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Speaker 1: Very very impressed with Sam Donald at the end, you know,

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Speaker 1: and what he did. But look, I think I think

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Speaker 1: some of the mistakes now that Josh Allen are making

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Speaker 1: are coming from him trying to do too much. That's

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Speaker 1: that's I mean, he's a young quarterback trying to make

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Speaker 1: a lot of plays. Has had an incredible amount of

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Speaker 1: success running the ball, and you know, the bottom line

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Speaker 1: and the whole thing is he's a young player. He's

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Speaker 1: really really young, and he's got a lot to learn

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Speaker 1: about the position and about the league. I would be

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Speaker 1: a lot more encouraged than discouraged though about what I've

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Speaker 1: seen from from Alan so far. I Peter, I agree

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Speaker 1: with you about Donald then, the way he finished the

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Speaker 1: game and the way he threw the ball. A couple

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Speaker 1: of people were thought I was crazy yesterday, but I

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Speaker 1: think of the five first rounders, Sam Donald might be

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Speaker 1: the best pure passer of that group. Just armtal What

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Speaker 1: do you think? Am I crazy? I love his arm talent.

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Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's really really good. I

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Speaker 1: think I mean, I think Josh Allen's got really good

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Speaker 1: arm talent. I think Baker Mayfield has surprisingly good arm

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Speaker 1: talent for a guy who's his size. I might like

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Speaker 1: Mayfield's arm talent better than anybody's just because he combines

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Speaker 1: a strong enough arm with a very very accurate downfield

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Speaker 1: ability and so. But I mean, one thing I was

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Speaker 1: thinking watching the games on Sundays. I think all of

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Speaker 1: these quarterbacks, the five first round quarterbacks, I see enough

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Speaker 1: flashes in them that I say they all might get

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00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: second contracts with their teams. I mean, they're really I

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00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: think they're I think they're all pretty good. They've all

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Speaker 1: shown pretty good so far. Do you think some of

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00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: it is kind of this new era in the NFL

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00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: where they're a little bit more protected. The game seems

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00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: a little bit more wide open, The space seems a

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00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 1: little be a little bit bigger the team. The offenses

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00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: are designed to go sideline to sideline now, as much

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Speaker 1: as vertical is. The change in the game kind of

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Speaker 1: made it a little easier to be successful as a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: I think, especially for a guy like a guy like

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, because I think that, uh, you know, if

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Speaker 1: he had to do it the old time way and

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Speaker 1: just be the pocket guy, it would have been hard

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Speaker 1: for him to have the success so far that some

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Speaker 1: of these other guys have had because he's he is,

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Speaker 1: He's been really mobile so far, made a lot of

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Speaker 1: plays on the run and made a lot of great

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Speaker 1: running plays. And also I just I think, like specifically

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Speaker 1: with the Ravens, the Ravens are really playing the game

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00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: just different than any other team in football right now.

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Speaker 1: They're they're just they're running. Like whereas Seattle has a

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00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: modern NFL offense that still emphasizes the running game, it's

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Speaker 1: almost like things start and end with the Ravens on

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Speaker 1: the ground. It's it's been really really interesting the last

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Speaker 1: month to watch Baltimore play football because they've really gone

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Speaker 1: back to the future. We're on the Subway Fresh Take

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Speaker 1: Hotline with Peter King, Football Morning in America columnists, NBC Sports,

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Speaker 1: Pro Football Talk columnists, Hey Peter, speaking of offensive approaches,

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Speaker 1: what do you make of today's news? The Vikings were

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Speaker 1: ecstatic last January when they stole the February when they

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00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: stole John D. Philippo away from the Eagles to be

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Speaker 1: their offensive coordinator. And it doesn't even finish the season.

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Speaker 1: What's going on up there? What's that all about? You know,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a power struggle between a coach who

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Speaker 1: gave away play calling and sort of had sort of

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00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 1: had coaches remorse on this thing. And essentially, you know,

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Speaker 1: they basically felt like over the long term that they

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Speaker 1: were going to be able to build the kind of

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Speaker 1: really solid offense around Kirk Cousins that they wanted. And

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Speaker 1: I think Mike Zimmer believes that one of the reasons

1132
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: they've struggled so much is that John D. Philippo did

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Speaker 1: not do a good job building the running game. And

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Speaker 1: when you don't build a running game with their you know,

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Speaker 1: with what they have, I think you're really really in trouble.

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Speaker 1: And the Philippo, for his part, I'm sure would say that, well,

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00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: I couldn't build a running game because we can't block

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Speaker 1: for the run. And so I don't know that Zimmer

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00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: ever bought that. And so when he would see some

1140
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: of the game plans they had and how you know

1141
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: Minnesota was actually playing offense, they basically said essentially that, look,

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Speaker 1: you know, Mike Zimmer, I'm sure on the plane on

1143
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Speaker 1: the way home, just said, listen, I Am not going

1144
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: to have an offense that doesn't at least try very

1145
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 1: hard to be able to run and to eventually succeed

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Speaker 1: at running the ball. And I think that's why he

1147
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: made the decision that he made today. Peter, he said

1148
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Speaker 1: that over the weekend, you spent a lot of time

1149
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: watching the Kansas City Baltimore game. We did not see

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Speaker 1: Kelvin Benjamin on the field for Kansas City, the player

1151
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: that the Bills released and was picked up by Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: And he also didn't see Sammy Watkins, another former Bill

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00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: who was unavailable. And what is the is Sammy Watkins,

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00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 1: does you have a chance to return to the lineup

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00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: for the Chiefs for if they get into the postseason,

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00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: and what's their plan for Kelvin Benjamin in the meantime.

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Speaker 1: You know what I think is, I'm I'm I'm really

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Speaker 1: surprised first of all that and what we will go

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Speaker 1: back in time. You know, I'm sure that people in

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Speaker 1: Buffalo when they saw Sammy Watkins get a big time

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Speaker 1: contract sixteen million a year, some jaws hit floors in

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Speaker 1: Orchard Park. He's I mean, he's never been able to

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00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: the last three years anyway, to totally stay healthy. Even

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00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: when he has played very often, his foot has really

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00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: bothered him. So to me, it surprised me that that

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Speaker 1: he essentially, uh you know, got that money in the

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Speaker 1: first place, and now it looks like that he's going

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Speaker 1: to be sitting the rest of the year, um at

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Speaker 1: least the rest of the regular season. The one thing

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Speaker 1: that bothers me about, you know, the way that that

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00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: started that has happened in Kansas City. They they built

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Speaker 1: a team, you know, around receivers who were either slight,

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Speaker 1: um you know all or you know, prone to injury,

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Speaker 1: like you know, Tyreek Hill is not prone to injury,

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Speaker 1: but he's a small guy. Um and Sammy Watkins is

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00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: that problems with injuries? And now with those three guys

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Speaker 1: basic lead two of them, uh you know, Watkins and

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00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: uh you know in Hill, you know, struggling, they're going

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Speaker 1: to have to put Benjamin in the lineup as early

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Speaker 1: as Thursday, whether he's ready or not. I think he's

1181
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: I think there's a very good chance you're going to

1182
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: see him Thursday. How much does that hurt Kansas City's

1183
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: chances to you know, get the ultimate prize, I mean,

1184
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: get get to the championship game, get to the Super Bowl?

1185
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: I mean how much is these do these injuries to

1186
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins and now plugging inst Calvin Benjamin, who's a

1187
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: different type of receiver than the one they've got on

1188
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:37,479
Speaker 1: their roster, how much does that hamstring their Offn't you know, Steve,

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Speaker 1: It isn't only that, it's the fact that they're all

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Speaker 1: ready having to try to adjust without Kareem Hunt. I mean,

1191
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Speaker 1: I've I've you know, I've been on record ever since

1192
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Speaker 1: this whole thing happened where he got kicked off the team.

1193
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: In essence, Uh, I mean that loss is gigantic This

1194
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: is a guy who in the first twenty seven game

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Speaker 1: of his career was better than either Marshall Falk or

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00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: Thurman Thomas's first twenty seven games, and so you know

1197
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Speaker 1: that is going to be a huge thing to make

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Speaker 1: up for. Now, if you have injuries at the receiver

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Speaker 1: position with two of your three top receivers you know,

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Speaker 1: Hill and u and Watkins, You're you're in trouble. You

1201
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: know you're in big trouble. The only consolation prize for

1202
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: Kansas City is that the Chargers are having, uh having

1203
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: gigantic injury issues at the running back position and could

1204
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: be without their their one and two Melvin Gordon and

1205
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Speaker 1: Austin Ekeler Thursday night for what is in some ways, uh,

1206
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Speaker 1: you know, sort of an AFC West Championship game. Andy Peter,

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Speaker 1: you wrote about a little bit about Calvin Benjamin and

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Speaker 1: his departure from the Bills last week, about a little

1209
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: bit more than a year after the Bills traded a

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Speaker 1: third and a seventh for him, and you'd sent for

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Speaker 1: Brandon Bean. I hope he learns from that pricey lesson.

1212
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Speaker 1: What is the lesson? What should Brandon mean? Take from

1213
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Speaker 1: from the Kelvin Benjamin trial here. I mean he would

1214
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Speaker 1: he would know. But I think that at the end

1215
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Speaker 1: of the day, Kelvin Benjamin has struck some people who

1216
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Speaker 1: he's come in contact with as a guy who really

1217
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: doesn't love football. And so you know, whether that's true,

1218
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Speaker 1: whether that's not true. If you're going to make a

1219
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: trade for a player, you've got to make sure and

1220
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Speaker 1: you're going to trade something significant for him, you know,

1221
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: in trading trading two draft picks, you know, for for

1222
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Speaker 1: a receiver, that's a significant trade. You just got to

1223
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Speaker 1: make sure that the guy loves football. And look, Brandon

1224
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Speaker 1: Bean knows this situation more than I do. But if

1225
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: that's the case, if there were some questions about his desire,

1226
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: that's a very stiff price to pay. It a big

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Speaker 1: lesson for them to, you know, to have to swallow. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: one more from me, Peter. I just want to ask

1229
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Speaker 1: you one thing, and maybe about the New England Miami

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Speaker 1: game and the way it ended with all the stuff

1231
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Speaker 1: going down and everybody's kind of coming down hard on

1232
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Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski and Bill Belichick for having him out there.

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Speaker 1: I thought, listen, Rob Gronkowski was the last line of

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Speaker 1: defense in a defense that had eleven layers. Ten of

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Speaker 1: the other guys failed on that play as well. What

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Speaker 1: do you think about how that game ended? And I

1237
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Speaker 1: know it was unbelievably crazy. Well, I mean, Steve, the

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Speaker 1: way I look at it is, Devin mccordy is the

1239
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Speaker 1: best guy in the secondary. Any defense that doesn't have

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Speaker 1: Devin mccordy on the field for the last play of

1241
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: a game, no matter what your scheme is, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why that is. I mean, you know,

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01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: why would you take your best defensive back on the

1244
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: field in a desperate situation, in a passing situation. I don't.

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01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: I don't know why. The second thing is I totally

1246
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: agree with you. This is a one in two hundred shots.

1247
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Speaker 1: This is not anything where people should draw significant conclusions

1248
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: other than the Patriots probably had the wrong defensive scheme

1249
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: for that particular play. But I mean, you know, as

1250
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: people saying, oh my god, there's a bad sign for

1251
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 1: the Patriots, this this is that I don't at the

1252
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: end of the day, at the end of the day,

1253
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: the Patriots are going to win the division for the

1254
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: tenth year in a row. And I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: we didn't know that. I can't get I can't get

1256
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: too fired up about about the New England Patriots losing

1257
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: one of the flukiest games that any coach, Bill Belichick

1258
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Speaker 1: or otherwise is ever gonna lose. Andy when they do

1259
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Speaker 1: win that division, we'll talk to you about that, Peter.

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Speaker 1: That'll that'll not go over well here in Buffalo, as

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Speaker 1: you can imagine, you know, I'm sure people are so

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Speaker 1: happy about that. Yeah, thanks for this, Peter. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: to you again next week. We appreciate it, all right, guys,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Peter King Football Morning in America. His great

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Speaker 1: column comes out every Monday. You can catch it to

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Speaker 1: Pro Football Talk dot com. He's this columnist for them

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Speaker 1: for NBC Sports. Peter King, more than thirty years experience

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Speaker 1: covering in the NFL, joined us every Tuesday, and he

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Speaker 1: joined us Sunday. Subway Fresh Tank Hotline, Subway Eat Fresh

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Speaker 1: said a couple of interesting things, and I wanted to

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Speaker 1: bounce a few of these off you, Steve. He thinks.

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Speaker 1: He said, all five of these first round quarterbacks could

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Speaker 1: wind up getting their second contracts. I agree, and I

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Speaker 1: like that he said it. I think we have witness

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Speaker 1: we are witnessing in the year as a complete yet

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Speaker 1: but I do believe we are witnessing a really good

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Speaker 1: class of first round quarterbacks, as many people thought it

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Speaker 1: would be. But it doesn't always work out that way.

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Speaker 1: As a lot of things encouraging and exciting to think

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Speaker 1: about it, it is, and I think one of the

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01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: things that there's all these wild cards involved in that Murphy.

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Speaker 1: We've seen this a gazillion times. So for instance, Sam Darnold,

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01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: we like what we saw from him. He looked like

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Speaker 1: like a real true pro prospect. I mean, he stood

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Speaker 1: in the pocket, he did some things off the page

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Speaker 1: even a little bit. His arm talent is good, impressive,

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Speaker 1: and we were kind of looking forward to the rivalry

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Speaker 1: between Sam Donald and Josh Allen for whatever. Well, the

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Speaker 1: Jets are gonna change head coaches at the end of

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Speaker 1: the year, I know, you know, I mean that, and

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Speaker 1: I got no love loss for the Jets. I mean,

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Speaker 1: but you know we've seen it. Man. They can change

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Speaker 1: the head coach and get a new coordinator. Everything changes,

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Speaker 1: you know. And now he may take a step back, right,

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, it may work to the benefit

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Speaker 1: down the line for Sam Donald, but certainly it will

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Speaker 1: be an interruption in his progress. A whole new offense,

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Speaker 1: new coordinator, YadA, YadA. We've heard that a gazillion times.

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Speaker 1: And same thing with Baker Mayfield. They don't know who's

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Speaker 1: gonna be their head coach. Greg Williams thinks he's gonna

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Speaker 1: get it. Maybe they're gonna get a new coordinator. Probably, Well, okay,

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Speaker 1: then what do you do now? Now Baker Mayfield starting

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Speaker 1: from scratch, You know, Josh Allen seems to be in

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01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: the most stable spot of anybody, even the Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 1: They may get in the playoffs and make a head

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Speaker 1: coaching change. They said they were gonna part ways amicably.

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Speaker 1: I'm John Harball may say, thanks guys, it's been great.

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01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go coach Green Bay, you know. And then

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01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 1: of course in Arizona, Steve Wilkes, I don't know. I

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01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,919
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna survive, may not survive. So maybe

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01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: one an out. So Josh, you think about Josh allenby

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Speaker 1: may be in the most stable position of any of

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Speaker 1: those first round quarterbacks, with a coordinator that he seems

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Speaker 1: to work well with. Yeah, and they and they, they've

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01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: shown some creativity. They've changed the guys around him. They

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Speaker 1: put more speed on the field. They said they needed

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Speaker 1: more speed, and I'm telling you, two weeks later, they

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Speaker 1: had more speed. Yeah, they're doing something. So I like

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Speaker 1: that for the Bill's sake, but to you know, and

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Speaker 1: it does look like all five of these guys are

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Speaker 1: going to get there to that second contrast. But man,

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Speaker 1: oh man, that seems like a million years away. Yeah, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think Peter said, And he wrote this, and why

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Speaker 1: did they ask him? I guess challenge him a little

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Speaker 1: bit about his assertion about Calvin Benjamin. He, you know,

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Speaker 1: and he wrote about just a paragraph about Calvin Benjamin,

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Speaker 1: about the trade, you know, third and seventh round picks

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Speaker 1: he wrote, being to whom Brandon being to whom draft

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Speaker 1: picks are absolutely cold handed, the eighty fourth and two

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty fourth, third and seventh picks to Carolina

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Speaker 1: for a guy who ended up producing forty catches two

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Speaker 1: touchdowns in nineteen Buffalo games. And then Peter wrote this,

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Speaker 1: I hope Bean learns from that pricey lesson. That's why

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Speaker 1: I asked him, what do you want Brandon mean to learn?

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Speaker 1: You don't think, first of all, and Peter admits he

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Speaker 1: knew Calvin Benjamin, but you don't think he feels the

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Speaker 1: pain of giving up those draft picks for a guy

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Speaker 1: who didn't produce. And what do you do differently next time?

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Speaker 1: I guess you do a little more homework. You figure

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01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 1: out where his head's at. They had him, they both

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01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: had him in Carolina. They kind of knew where his

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Speaker 1: had been. Anyway, I don't know. I think it's almost

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Speaker 1: a little bit too tough to say. Oh, I hope

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01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: he learns his lesson. Well, what's the lesson to learn?

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01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 1: Don't trade for a guy who is not ready to lead.

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01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: And believe me, Steve, the more you think about this,

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01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 1: and we both have conversations with decision makers here, Calvin

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01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: Benjamin's major failure, the reason why he didn't finish the

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01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: season here was not just his lack of production on

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Speaker 1: the field, it's his lack of leadership in the wide

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01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: receiver room. Again, I go back to two weeks ago, maybe, well, yeah,

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01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 1: it was two weeks ago when schum dedermot was asked

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Speaker 1: about Benjamin's role in the wide receiver's room, and immediately

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01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: McDermot started talking about Deonte Thompson, who'd been here for

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01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 1: a week as the leader, the veteran leader, indicating to me,

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Speaker 1: along with some other issues that they didn't think. Calvin

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01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 1: Benjuman stepped up and led that young receiving group and

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Speaker 1: that's I believe that's why he's gone now. I was

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Speaker 1: interested in Peter's answer when you asked him what he

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Speaker 1: should learn, and he said, it is very simple. And

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Speaker 1: he heard from this group and others around the league

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Speaker 1: all the time, and it was always a silly question.

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01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: Does he really love football? Yeah? You know. And and

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01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 1: knowing that Bean and Sean McDermott had interaction with Kelvin

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Speaker 1: Benjamin in their time at Carolina, I thought they both

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Speaker 1: would have had a pretty good handle on that. And

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, but I will tell you this,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that it didn't change from the time

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Speaker 1: they worked with Calvin Benjaman in Carolina to the time

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Speaker 1: Calvin Benjamin got here because a lot of water went

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Speaker 1: under that bridge. It was months and a different team,

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Speaker 1: a different atmosphere, a different quarterback, and he went from

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01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 1: Cam Newton to Tyrod Taylor. But it certainly looked like

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Speaker 1: something different. There was something different about Kelvin Benjamin than

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Speaker 1: some early draft pick who wanted to play, wanted to

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01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 1: be that guy, wanted to do all of these things

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01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 1: in the in the NFL, I certainly that question had

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01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: to be raised. And I don't I don't know that

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01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 1: Kelvin Benjamin, he certainly didn't exhibit an undying love for

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Speaker 1: the game. And that's why I want to ask Peter

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01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 1: what does he mean pricey lesson? What's the lesson? And

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01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 1: the other thing he wrote about right after that, just

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01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,600
Speaker 1: a paragraph about Sammy Watkins and if you want to

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01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 1: hold Calvin Benjamin, you know, if you want to put

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01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 1: that on Brandon Bean's ledger, Okay, you can do that

1386
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 1: also on his ledger goes Trading away Sammy Watkins right

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Speaker 1: getting the draft picks or Sammy Watkins, as Peter points out,

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Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins now injured again with Kansas City after signing

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Speaker 1: a three year, forty eight million dollar deal. Watkins has

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Speaker 1: heads miss did miss eight of his sixteen games in

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01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: Buffalo in two sixteen. Traded away before the twenty seventeen

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Speaker 1: season with the foot issues right Watkins. Sammy Watkins had

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01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: thirty nine catches for the Rams last year. If he

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Speaker 1: does not come back and play for Kansas City and

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01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: Peter Wrights this he will miss six games this year

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Speaker 1: with the Chiefs, and that would mean missing eighteen games

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01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 1: in four years. Now they're paying him big money. The

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01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 1: Chiefs are paying him the money that the Bills did

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Speaker 1: not want to talk about with Sammy Watkins, which is

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Speaker 1: why one of the reasons, one of the big reasons

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Speaker 1: why they traded him away last August, right, August of

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. Being said it, you know, we didn't know

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01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:38,639
Speaker 1: if we'd be able to ford him, if he wanted

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01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 1: to step up and pay that kind of money. If

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01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,759
Speaker 1: you're gonna hold Brandon being to task for Calvin Benjamin

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01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: giving up thirds and seventh. Okay, that's on his record.

1407
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 1: Letting trading away Sammy Watkins goes to his credit though too.

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01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 1: I think that was a smart move, a really smart move. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And it was true that in his time here, Sammy

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01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: Watkins didn't play enough or even well enough consistently enough

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Speaker 1: to warrant a fifth year option. Right and he wasn't. Yeah,

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01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: he didn't player didn't He wasn't available enough from the

1413
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:13,599
Speaker 1: valuate evaluate him enough. And certainly their offense was limited

1414
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: in the in the passing game with Tyrod Taylor and

1415
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 1: and his and his disdain for throwing the football into

1416
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: tight windows and and you know, hanging onto it and

1417
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 1: not thrown away and really putting a more premium on

1418
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 1: not turning it over rather than trying to make plays.

1419
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: And it got the bills, you know, enough wins last

1420
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 1: year to back into the playoffs. But Sammy Watkins was

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01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: a guy who during his time here kind of still

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01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 1: exhibited the same kind of mentality and body language that

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01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: Calvin Benjamin did, maybe to it in a different way,

1424
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: but to the same degree. To me, I saw him,

1425
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Speaker 1: And it was during plays on the field that I

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01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: would see Sammy Watkins give up. He was not a

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01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 1: culture he was not a culture fit, and he wasn't

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Speaker 1: productive or consistent enough. Certainly he was really talented, in fact,

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01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 1: I think more talent into the Kelvin Benjamin because of

1430
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 1: his speed in his hands and all that stuff and

1431
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: route running. But yeah, yeah, he would. He never made

1432
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: himself that valuable here. And now once again he's got

1433
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,720
Speaker 1: an injured foot who had had operated on twice here

1434
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 1: or yeah, I had to have it operated on twice here.

1435
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 1: That that goes. Yeah, you're right, that's to the credit

1436
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 1: of Brandon being for making that. Didn't want to pay

1437
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 1: the money, didn't think he was a culture fit, got

1438
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 1: draft picks to move up to get Josh Allen and others.

1439
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 1: I think that's plus for Brandon beat Yeah, that's one

1440
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 1: of the that's one of the deals that worked out.

1441
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: I think in the favor of the of the Bills.

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01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: If you're going to go back and rehash it, interesting

1443
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 1: comments from Peter King and interesting Football Morning in America.

1444
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: That's why we have mine right even get you thinking

1445
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 1: about the big picture, the pan and in today's media world,

1446
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 1: Football Morning in America is one of the old time

1447
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 1: long form. It's long, take yourself twenty fifteen, twenty thirty

1448
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 1: minutes to read it. Now you get you get articles

1449
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 1: on the internet. It's like four sentences, you know. You

1450
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 1: click the link, you go over there and it's like

1451
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,719
Speaker 1: literally it's I spent a half hour with Football Morning

1452
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 1: in America today. It takes a while to get through,

1453
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 1: but it touches on earth faces. Yep. Thanks to Peter

1454
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 1: King for joining. It's always good stuff. All right here,

1455
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 1: what do we got going on? We're gonna revisit our

1456
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 1: Twitter poll as we you know, we know now the

1457
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: Bills eliminated from playoff contention. We're not writing off the

1458
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 1: rest of the season, but we are talking about next

1459
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 1: year a little bit. They've got an opportunity here with

1460
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:26,680
Speaker 1: these remaining three games and of course the offseason to

1461
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 1: start to rebuild for twenty nineteen. On Twitter, we're asking,

1462
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 1: with the twenty eighteen Bills eliminated from playoff contention, what's

1463
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 1: the most important thing the Bills need to make a

1464
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,719
Speaker 1: playoff push next year? On Twitter, we've got good response

1465
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 1: so far, almost a thousand votes. Fifty nine percent of

1466
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 1: you say that, sixty percent of you say they need

1467
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 1: additions to the offensive line, twenty seven percent of you

1468
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: say they need upgraded talented wide receiver, eleven percent are

1469
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 1: looking for more development from Josh Allen, two percent of

1470
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 1: something else in mind. Give us a call, let us

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01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 1: know what you think. Eight oh three h five fifty

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that when we come back. We're also

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Speaker 1: going to talk about the Bills Lions series all time.

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Speaker 1: As many times as they played him in the posts

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Speaker 1: in the preseason, you were shocked, Steve. I think people

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Speaker 1: are gonna be shocked when they realize how rarely the

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Speaker 1: Bills in Detroit had played in the regular season was stunning.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that and talk about Detroit's first visit

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Speaker 1: to Orchard Park when we come back. Come on back

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Speaker 1: One Bill's Live from One Bills Drive in. This is

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio. Back to one those live jime rope.

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Speaker 1: Seve Tasker in our one Buffalo studio talking with you

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Speaker 1: about a variety of Bills topics. What do you think about,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Bills that are eliminated from playoff contention?

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Speaker 1: What can they do? What should be number one at

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Speaker 1: the top of their list as they get ready for

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Things that they can do now or things

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Speaker 1: that they can do in the offseason. Give us a

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Speaker 1: call if you'd like to discuss eight oh three five

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Speaker 1: fifty and toll free one eight eight eight five fifty

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Speaker 1: two five fifty or tweeted in. We got a Twitter

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Speaker 1: poll on the topic and a couple of tweets from

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Speaker 1: thee each sheet. A guy named Jello tweets this in.

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01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 1: This is a tough choice. It's a good Twitter poll.

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Speaker 1: This is a tough choice. The on line is terrible.

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01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 1: The wide receivers need a true number one. Either could

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Speaker 1: easily take this team to the next level. And if

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Speaker 1: we get both, watch out he goes. Honestly, I think

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Speaker 1: Zay and Foster could be a two and three, but

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01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 1: neither our number one. I'd had a strong downhill running

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01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: back of Jerome Bettis type guy like the way you're thinking,

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Speaker 1: guy named Jello. I think you're on a lot of

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01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 1: good topics there. Yeah, and we touch on all of

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01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: them all the time. Dennis Strimple also tweets in definitely

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01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: need upgrades in OEL wide receiver and tight end. How

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01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 1: about signing Levy on Bell? With all this all this money,

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01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 1: we're going to have shady looks slow even when there

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Speaker 1: are holes. Charles Clay has done has hasn't done much,

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01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: hasn't done much. Yeah this year, so listen, what about

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Speaker 1: Levy and Bell? What about spending that kind of money

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Speaker 1: for a running back? Oh? Thank you? No, come on,

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01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 1: not not suggesting it. I'm pointed out. I don't think

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01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 1: they want to be No, they're they're they're okay, paying

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01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 1: shady what they're paying them. They're trying to squeeze what

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01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 1: they can out of him. Probably want to get another

1517
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 1: look at him, being set it already this year and

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Speaker 1: wants to bring him back next year. But in the future,

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01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 1: you don't want to sign up for a big salary

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Speaker 1: for a running back. I don't think unless he's very special,

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01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 1: you don't do. You don't pay, you don't pay fourteen million. Listen,

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Speaker 1: Levion Bell is not getting any of that money he

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Speaker 1: gave up this year, none of it. He's nuts. In

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01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 1: my opinion, there are too many good running backs who

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Speaker 1: were drafted in the fifth round, like Alvin Kamaro, fifth

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Speaker 1: round running back. You go down the list all these

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Speaker 1: guys in the league that are playing really well, not

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Speaker 1: only in the running game but also in the passing game,

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01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 1: and you get him for a third a quarter of

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Speaker 1: what Levion Bell's asking for, and you're a quarter of

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Speaker 1: what he gave up this season. I mean, it's nuts.

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01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: It's nuts to overpay forgot. Levion Bell is not gonna

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Speaker 1: make enough of a difference to be worth that much

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01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 1: of your salary cap period. Neither is Kareem Hunt. And

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01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt led the league in rushing. Levion Bell was

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Speaker 1: a big difference maker for a Pittsburgh team. And I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what, Pittsburgh's fine without him. You can forget

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01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 1: about the last couple of loss of the Pittsburgh Steelers

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01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 1: have had. They were going to take the Raiders into

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01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 1: overtime going out there, and they were flat as a

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01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 1: pancake in that game, the Steelers, and they still wound

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Speaker 1: up almost give themselves a chance to get to overtime

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01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 1: to beat them. And you got if you're in overtime

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01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 1: against Ben Roethlisberger when he didn't even play most of

1545
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 1: the second half, you gotta think you're gonna put your

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Speaker 1: money on them. It's just nuts. It's just absolutely nuts

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01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: to me to spend any anywhere near the amount of

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01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: money for a running back that Levion Bell held out four.

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01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:47,640
Speaker 1: What's the most important thing the Bills need to make

1550
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 1: a playoff? Push a tweet from sipping the kool aid.

1551
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 1: The focus should be solidifying the offensive line, both in

1552
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:56,640
Speaker 1: free agency and the draft, he says, or she. You

1553
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:59,719
Speaker 1: need solid veteran talent as well as young talent to develop,

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01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,679
Speaker 1: and we lost one an incognito. We lost that venteran talent.

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Speaker 1: Now we're gonna have to pay dearly for it in

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01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 1: free agency, darkins, miss Ritchie this year. I'll tell you what, though,

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01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 1: you might not have to pay dearly, dearly, okay dearly

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01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 1: for that position, but that positions like less than ten

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01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 1: million apiece. You can get really good players for under

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01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 1: ten million dollars a year at guard and center and

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01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 1: right guard, left guard, center, all those spots. You can

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01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 1: get really quality Pro Bowl type of talent for that

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01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 1: kind of money. And and they've got the money to

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01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 1: do that and have some left over. I'll tell you

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01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 1: what too, And I mentioned this yesterday. I believe you

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01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 1: can draft not early third, fourth, fifth round. You can

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01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 1: draft a giant who takes up space and can zone

1568
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: block for you and have a productive running game that way.

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Speaker 1: A lot of teams are doing that now. A lot

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01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 1: of people believe that's what you look for. Now when

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Speaker 1: you come offensive line, you don't use your premium picks.

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01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 1: Unless you got like a Quentin Nelson, that Indianapolis Colts

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01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 1: rookie guard, solid player, you can lock him in there

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01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 1: for fifteen years, it'll be great. But unless you get

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Speaker 1: a guy like that, you probably don't want to reach

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01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 1: to find an offensive lineman, even a talented one, first

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01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 1: or second round. That's right, and yeah, that's right. It's

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01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 1: that it's a cheaper position with more value when you

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01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 1: get a good one. In my opinion, you get more

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01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 1: value out of it. Not that not that a guard

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01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: is more valuable than a phenomenal running back running, but

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01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 1: I'm what I'm saying is for that position, that position,

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Speaker 1: along with the other three upfront in the both guards,

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Speaker 1: in the center, and your tackles, the value you get

1585
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 1: out of those guys really drives the success of the guys.

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01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:35,639
Speaker 1: You think, like Levion Bell and Kareem Hunt, those guys

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01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 1: would be struggling behind an offensive line like the Bills

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01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 1: have got this year, they wouldn't, they wouldn't be putting

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Speaker 1: up those numbers. And it's it's just to me, it

1590
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 1: just seems so obvious that the guys upfronts where it

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01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 1: all starts. I mean, when I hear I go back

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01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 1: decades for obviously, I don't want to go back decades,

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01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:58,639
Speaker 1: but I will just to make this point. John Madden said, Listen,

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01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 1: I got along with out Davis because I had disbelief

1595
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 1: the offensive line was the most important position on your

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01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 1: football team, and second to that was cornerback defensive corner

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01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 1: and al Davis was just the reverse. He thought the

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01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 1: corner was the most imposition important position on your team,

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01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 1: followed by second place by the offensive line and because

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01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 1: they believed so much in those two positions. Those two

1601
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 1: could get along, and they want the World championship because

1602
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 1: of it. Your offensive line is five out of the

1603
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 1: eleven guys on the field. If they're working great, everybody

1604
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 1: else's job is exponentially easier. Um, what do you think.

1605
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 1: We're trying to get a sense from you. What's the

1606
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 1: most important thing the Bills need to make a playoff? Push?

1607
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 1: I'm getting am I getting a little too out of control?

1608
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:46,759
Speaker 1: Am I am? I streaming years right now? This segment

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Speaker 1: A couple of calls here. Let's go to Floyd and Buffalo. Hello, Floyd,

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01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 1: Welcome Floyd. Good, good, good, Go ahead, Floyd. Yeah, I

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01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 1: was wondering why the Bills feel so weak, you know,

1612
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 1: like the number seventy nine, you can't mock nobody, and

1613
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:10,680
Speaker 1: we set the gold line, and uh, they could hold

1614
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 1: nobody because they're not strong enough. I don't know. They

1615
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 1: need better guys. I mean they you're right, I mean

1616
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,560
Speaker 1: they're they've struggled up front, they're gonna and they're you know,

1617
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 1: it looks like they're going to continue to they're trying

1618
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 1: to overcome it. They've they've made some choices, made some

1619
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 1: changes up front. Uh there there their success and has

1620
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 1: been spotty at best. So it's called from Dan in California.

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Speaker 1: Hello Dan, go ahead, you're on the air with this. Hey, guys,

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01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 1: I got one question for you about special teams. Why

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01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 1: are so often I thought within the ten yard line

1624
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 1: you should let the ball go. We're catching these balls

1625
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 1: at the seven yard line. Fair catching. He had a

1626
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 1: better opportunity to get away from the ball that it

1627
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 1: gold maybe going to the end. Well, if you've got

1628
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 1: to get at the seven, here's the thing, Dan, and

1629
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:56,560
Speaker 1: you're and in some ways you're right back in the

1630
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,639
Speaker 1: day when when when I played it, it was true

1631
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 1: that you kind of put your heat as the return guy.

1632
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 1: You put your heels on the ten. You don't go

1633
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 1: back up to catch the ball. That's changed a little bit,

1634
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 1: and what changed it was the Aussy kick, the end

1635
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 1: over end punt. The way that ball bounces is not

1636
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: consistently forward in the direction of the kick as it

1637
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 1: once was. So now you're getting more guys, particularly if

1638
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 1: it's a short kick. If you're out around midfield and

1639
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 1: they put that Aussi kick up in the air, they

1640
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 1: can put more arc on it and it comes down

1641
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 1: more vertical, so that the bounce doesn't always just jump

1642
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 1: into the end zone, or at least not often enough.

1643
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:34,719
Speaker 1: So in these recent years, in the last fifteen years

1644
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 1: or so or twenty years, it is now that they'll

1645
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 1: have you catch the football because they don't want it.

1646
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 1: They'll kick. They'd rather have you catch it on the

1647
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 1: seven or the five rather than have them wait on

1648
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: it and down it at the one. The Aussi kick

1649
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 1: is the reason. Now you see a lot of teams

1650
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 1: and a lot of return guys were that will catch

1651
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 1: it inside the ten and even at the one. I

1652
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 1: think that's a mistake, but you'll see guys do that

1653
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:05,600
Speaker 1: because of the Aussie kick, and teams are okay with

1654
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 1: it these days a lot more than they were back

1655
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 1: in the day that I played. That was a really

1656
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 1: good question and a really good answer. I'm glad I

1657
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 1: didn't realize that. I'm glad I was here for that.

1658
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad I'm here for you too, Murphy.

1659
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 1: I want to talk about that so you know, we

1660
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 1: say even this year, right, the Bills did not play

1661
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions in preseason this year, and how many

1662
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 1: times did we do how aout the Bills aren't playing

1663
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 1: the Lions because it seemed like for twenty years they

1664
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:31,719
Speaker 1: would finish their preseason with a matchup against the Lions,

1665
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 1: right every year, every year, every year I've been in town.

1666
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 1: It's like thirty years. Yeah, it was an exception. If

1667
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 1: they did not, they seemed always. So would you believe

1668
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 1: this year? Now we're in the regular season, the Lions

1669
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 1: are coming here. The Bills have only played the Lions,

1670
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 1: believe it or not, ten times in regular season in

1671
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 1: their history. Buffaloes one five, Lions and one four and

1672
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 1: they've tied once. The Bills at home against the Lions

1673
01:22:56,400 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 1: three wins, one loss, one tie. There's only three other teams,

1674
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 1: by the way, in the NFL that the Bills have

1675
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 1: played fewer times in the regular season than the Detroit Lions,

1676
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 1: Baltimore Believe it or not really yep, Carolina NFC, and

1677
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 1: Houston expansion team. Other than that the Detroit Lions. They've

1678
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 1: only played him ten times. Last time was in twenty ten.

1679
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 1: The Lions. Yeah, yeah, they don't play him one they

1680
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 1: don't pay now. The first visit, the first time the

1681
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 1: Lions played the Bills here was at the War Memorial Stadium,

1682
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy two. They tied the first time they

1683
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:30,600
Speaker 1: came here to play in Orchard Park what was then

1684
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 1: Ralph Wilson Stadium season finale nineteen ninety one. The Lions

1685
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 1: first visit here December twenty second regular season finale. Both

1686
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 1: teams are going to the playoffs. Marve believe he did

1687
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 1: not want to expose his starters to injury in what

1688
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 1: was a meaningful game. He started Frank Reich, did not

1689
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 1: start to Thurman Thomas, he started Kenny Davis. He gave

1690
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 1: several other time players limited playing time, and the Lions

1691
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 1: won and over. It was a controversial. The Lions won

1692
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 1: it one overtime. It was a controversial game because of

1693
01:23:58,479 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 1: the way the Bills played it. And what do you know,

1694
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 1: this guy, you were there, you scored a touchdown in

1695
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 1: the game. I sent the game into well Frank, Frank

1696
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:07,879
Speaker 1: threw me the touchdown and we sent it in overtime.

1697
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:13,839
Speaker 1: And the controversy only came from Chicago. Mike Ditka spouted

1698
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 1: off because the Bears needed the Lions to lose, and

1699
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:24,040
Speaker 1: if the Lions lost, then the Bears get into the playoffs,

1700
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 1: and they didn't, so the Bears were out and Marv

1701
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 1: Levy just said, listen, you win your own championship. We're

1702
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 1: trying to right, we don't care. So um. Yeah, but

1703
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 1: that game went into overtime with that touchdown. Yeah, it

1704
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 1: was very windy, and I remember we uh we sent

1705
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 1: it to overtime. We're standing there on the sidelines. Detroit

1706
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 1: wins the toss in overtime and they take the ball.

1707
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 1: We took the win. It was coming over the top

1708
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 1: of the scoreboard really hard, or it was a factor

1709
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,680
Speaker 1: in that game. So then they start handing it to

1710
01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 1: Barry Sanders and they go they marched down the field, boom,

1711
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 1: touch And that was back in the old days. A

1712
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 1: field goal wins at first team to score. So Detroit

1713
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 1: won the game on a field goal. I believe it

1714
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:12,520
Speaker 1: was a field goal. Yeah, So we're having this conversation

1715
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,600
Speaker 1: on the sidelines it was, or maybe it was the

1716
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 1: next day, Monday or Tuesday. In practice the next week,

1717
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 1: we're talking about how that game went down, and we

1718
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 1: were of a mind. There was a couple of at

1719
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 1: Frank Raik being one of them now head coach of

1720
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts. He said at that time, the Wednesday

1721
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 1: after that game, what he had started and then we lost.

1722
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 1: He said, I think I was still at the coin flip.

1723
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 1: I still was going to take the wind. I said,

1724
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:38,360
Speaker 1: we might have take the wind because it was such

1725
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 1: a factor. You're trying to kick a field goal into

1726
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 1: that wind against our defense, you know, at home. He was,

1727
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 1: I almost if we'd have won the toss, would have said, hey,

1728
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 1: we'll take this end and we'll do it exactly what

1729
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:51,599
Speaker 1: they said. Well, we'll give him the ball to start

1730
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 1: overtime because we want the wind at our back if

1731
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 1: we think it was that big a factor. So he

1732
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 1: was thinking like that even as a player, and of

1733
01:25:58,080 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 1: course it worked out exactly it would have had he

1734
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:02,680
Speaker 1: done that and we lost. So you know, it goes

1735
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 1: to show you the kind of conversations we had as players.

1736
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's a lot of guys that didn't play

1737
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 1: in that game. It was, and it wasn't done very

1738
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 1: much at that time that have teams sew it out. Yeah,

1739
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 1: you guys were thirteen wins. You were thirteen and two

1740
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 1: going into that game. Yeah, finished thirteen. Ever, you had

1741
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 1: home field everything, man, you had it all wrapped up.

1742
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:24,800
Speaker 1: Lions won in overtime, and that, by the way ended

1743
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 1: You might remember. This a seventeen game home winning streak

1744
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 1: for the Bills, So that's more than two plus years

1745
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 1: of winning at home. We were pretty good. That's the point, right,

1746
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 1: We're pretty good. You know else is gonna understand your

1747
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 1: Your comrades on CBS poke fun at you, Um for

1748
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 1: the way you celebrated the touchdown. So Steve Cours scores

1749
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 1: a late touchdown touchdown catch from frank Reich sends it

1750
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 1: to overtime, and again, this is twenty six, twenty seven

1751
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,759
Speaker 1: years ago. You got up and did your best to celebrate.

1752
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 1: I guess I jumped up and SPI spiked at that

1753
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 1: ball went fifty feet in the air when I spiked it,

1754
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 1: and I its and they were laughing. Yeah, it's atill

1755
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 1: excessive celebration, I said. I told him, I got fined

1756
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 1: twenty five bucks, a lot of money back that you

1757
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:08,280
Speaker 1: meant something I did not. I did not get fined

1758
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:10,639
Speaker 1: for that, but it was. Yeah, one of the few.

1759
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 1: At one point, I was one of the few guys

1760
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 1: on the team that we had three quarterbacks Gail Gilbert,

1761
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 1: Frank Reich and Jim and I was one of the

1762
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:20,600
Speaker 1: I think one of two players on the team that

1763
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 1: had caught a touchdown pass from all of them. I

1764
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 1: caught one from Gail Gilbert against Washington, and of course

1765
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:27,760
Speaker 1: I got that one from Frank and then I caught

1766
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:30,639
Speaker 1: one from Jim two. And I think the other player

1767
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 1: was Kenny Davis actually the one. Yeah, that's the last

1768
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:35,560
Speaker 1: time the Lions won a game in Orchard Park, the

1769
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 1: only time they won a game in Orchard Park twenty

1770
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 1: seven years ago, December twenty second, nineteen ninety one. We

1771
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 1: thought we'd taken on memory road a little bit. That's cool.

1772
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 1: That's a long time. Think about how long it's like, Yeah,

1773
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:49,760
Speaker 1: it's almost thirty years. We got a break here. We're

1774
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 1: coming back with more. One Bill's Live from One Bill's Driving.

1775
01:27:52,240 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's Radio. One Bill's Live from One

1776
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 1: Bill's Drive. Jenber if he's Steve Tasker. We're here every

1777
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 1: day noon to three. Hey reads Milestones. Here's a milestone

1778
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 1: presented by Reichs Jewelers, the official jeweler the Buffalo Bills.

1779
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 1: With his fifteen yard touchdown run against the Jets Sunday,

1780
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:19,759
Speaker 1: Isaiah McKenzie becomes the first Bills wide receiver since Albert

1781
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 1: Devinion in nineteen sixty one with multiple rushing touchdowns in

1782
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:26,640
Speaker 1: the season Golden Wheels. He had him too. Doobie had

1783
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 1: multiple touching rushing touchdowns in a season in nineteen sixty one.

1784
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 1: Isaiah McKenzie the first Bills wide receiver to do that

1785
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 1: with his touchdown his seniorder, I'm traveling with my wife.

1786
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 1: We go through the Atlanta help Airport and you know,

1787
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 1: there's a train in the airport where you go from

1788
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 1: terminal terminal, like they're all in these big airports. Sure,

1789
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 1: we get on with our roller bag and all that.

1790
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 1: This guy, this older guy, gets on. He's got a

1791
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:55,720
Speaker 1: satchel and it's a Atlanta Falcon satchel. And I look

1792
01:28:55,760 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 1: at him and I recognize him. It's albertin Love that guy. Right,

1793
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:08,760
Speaker 1: So I and I'm it's a while, okay, So I'm

1794
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 1: and I'm one of the few people who who would right. Yeah.

1795
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 1: So we're in there, and I said, so, how's how's

1796
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 1: Golden Wheels doing today? Hey? You know, he he was like,

1797
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 1: did he recognize you? When I told him my name?

1798
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 1: He did, yeah, And I was, you know, so we

1799
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:26,680
Speaker 1: had a last conversation. He was like he'd appreciated that,

1800
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,840
Speaker 1: you know, somewhere down the line. Somebody still knew that

1801
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:33,720
Speaker 1: his nickname was Albert, and I can't I recognize him,

1802
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:36,320
Speaker 1: and I knew who he was, which I don't think

1803
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 1: happened to him all that much in Atlanta. I mean,

1804
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:39,800
Speaker 1: right where did you meet him? Here were the Bills.

1805
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 1: Before I'd seen pictures of him, I'd never ever met him,

1806
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 1: never met him. Um, he was a scout here for

1807
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 1: a while, and a scout. That's what he was doing

1808
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:47,960
Speaker 1: for the Falcons. That's why he had that satchel, you know,

1809
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 1: the shoulder bag. Yeah. Man, he was a great guy.

1810
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 1: I interviewed him a couple of times. Seems like he was.

1811
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:54,760
Speaker 1: He was like a pro scout. He would come in

1812
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 1: and when he was with the Falcons and scout Bills games,

1813
01:29:57,040 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 1: so he'd see him there a lot and get him

1814
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 1: out of halftime interviews. Great guy, what a great kay.

1815
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 1: I just looked him up. He's eighty five years old,

1816
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:07,600
Speaker 1: still going strong, I'm sure. From Griffin Georgia. Man, he

1817
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 1: was a good player, quick player. You know, in nineteen

1818
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:13,559
Speaker 1: sixties there weren't a whole lot of guys as fast

1819
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:16,360
Speaker 1: as Albert Golden Wheels debinion. I mean he stood out.

1820
01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 1: He was he don't get a name like Golden Wheels.

1821
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:22,680
Speaker 1: You're plotting, you got something going on. Let's take a

1822
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 1: quick call here. We're going to Mike in Buffalo. Hello, Mike,

1823
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 1: go ahead, you're on the air of this. I'm Mike. Yeah.

1824
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:30,760
Speaker 1: You guys got me, Yeah, go ahead, Mike. Listen. I

1825
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:33,679
Speaker 1: got a question as to why nobody's calling Leslie Fraser

1826
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:36,880
Speaker 1: out these last two games. The last two drives, they

1827
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 1: put no pressure whatsoever on the quarterback. Think it has

1828
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 1: something to do with the fact that they're the number

1829
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:44,799
Speaker 1: one defense in the NFL. I understand that. But Donald

1830
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 1: has no has really has no well foot speed, and

1831
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 1: all they rushed the whole game was four guys. They

1832
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:56,080
Speaker 1: last drive, they'd set one linebacker, they chance at this guy.

1833
01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 1: They don't blitz. They haven't blitzed much on their way

1834
01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 1: to being the number one defensive. Yeah, they haven't blitz much.

1835
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:02,559
Speaker 1: That hasn't been part of the there the way they

1836
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 1: do it. But I get you, my I mean, you

1837
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:05,840
Speaker 1: look at that Jet game. At the end of it,

1838
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 1: there's about twenty things that everybody would love to see

1839
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 1: go differently. I don't know that you can throw that

1840
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 1: loss or that problem on Leslie Frasier. Certainly he called

1841
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:18,880
Speaker 1: the defense and didn't call for pressure, no question about it.

1842
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 1: But I think also, I mean, listen, he's given the

1843
01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 1: way this team's constructed right now, in the way they're playing,

1844
01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:28,680
Speaker 1: and who's been productive and who hasn't. Leslie Frasier's the

1845
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 1: last guy on that list that you should call out saying, hey,

1846
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 1: you're the reason we lost this game. You got one

1847
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:37,760
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five yards in returns going off you've

1848
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 1: got and the defense only gave up two hundred and

1849
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 1: ten yards of offense. I mean, I get it that

1850
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:45,080
Speaker 1: you'd like to see a sack on the last play

1851
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:46,680
Speaker 1: instead of having it go over the top of your

1852
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:49,080
Speaker 1: defense to get it down inside the five. But man

1853
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 1: calling out Leslie Frasier, I don't know, Mike, that's reaching

1854
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 1: to me. Certainly, you'd love to see somebody get a

1855
01:31:57,240 --> 01:32:00,599
Speaker 1: sack on that. But and you said, you know, uh,

1856
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:03,479
Speaker 1: Sam Darna doesn't have any foot speed. He ran around

1857
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 1: back there enough that he found Robbie Anderson for that

1858
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:09,960
Speaker 1: last touch for their touchdown early in the game, and

1859
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:12,720
Speaker 1: that he showed pretty good footspeed there. But yeah, I mean,

1860
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 1: Leslie Frasier, you can say what you want about that

1861
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:16,760
Speaker 1: last play call on defense or any of the play

1862
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:21,800
Speaker 1: calls on defense, but goodness, gracious, goodness, gracious sakes alive.

1863
01:32:22,040 --> 01:32:24,080
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I mean am I I mean I

1864
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 1: might be going off on that a little bit, but listen,

1865
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:29,360
Speaker 1: they're the number one defense in the league. Nobody over

1866
01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 1: there is at the top of the list of who

1867
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:35,800
Speaker 1: to blame for that loss. Thanks for your call. We're

1868
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 1: gonna take a break. When we come back round to

1869
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:39,680
Speaker 1: that tent, We're gonna stop right there. Yes, that was

1870
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:42,800
Speaker 1: a show stopper. That stopped I Feel Better tracks I

1871
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 1: Feel Football Life with Thurman Thomas. That show's coming up

1872
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:49,040
Speaker 1: on the NFL Network Friday. A special pre screening coming

1873
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:50,680
Speaker 1: up tomorrow night. Steve and I will be there down

1874
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 1: at seven one six, Food and Sport. We're gonna talk

1875
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 1: to the producer, Paul and Nusky when we return. Come

1876
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 1: on back for that plus more on our topic of

1877
01:32:57,560 --> 01:32:59,680
Speaker 1: the day, the Bills. What are they looking for now

1878
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:02,960
Speaker 1: with the playoffs? The chances were the playoffs gone this year?

1879
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 1: How do they get set up right for twenty nineteen? Now,

1880
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Thurmans should get cut us a

1881
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:10,760
Speaker 1: check for as many commercials. As from right. It's like

1882
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 1: Thurman Thomas day here today, Thurmas Thomas a week year,

1883
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:16,680
Speaker 1: we talking. We got Thurm on the show tomorrow too,

1884
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:19,880
Speaker 1: Thurman Festivus. We're gonna talk about a football life Thurman

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Speaker 1: Thomas when we return One Bill's Life from One Bills Driving.

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Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bills Radio, Blalo Bills Radio Network Story Day,

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Speaker 1: the update from One Bill's Drive. Buffalo Bills players off today,

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Speaker 1: They'll be back tomorrow. Begin to get to work on

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Speaker 1: the game plan for the Detroit Lions coming to town

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Speaker 1: to play the Buffalo Bills. Let's have a long injury

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Speaker 1: list getting into this game. At running back Lashawn McCoy

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Speaker 1: day to day with a hamstring is. Backup Chris Ivory

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Speaker 1: day to day with the shoulder injury. Kicker Stephen House

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Speaker 1: got with a hip injury suffered last Sunday. He also

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Speaker 1: was going to be day to day from that hit.

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Speaker 1: Quarterback Ryan Lewis one of the backups in concussion protocol.

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Speaker 1: Derek Anders, quarterback remains in concussion protocol. Tight End Jason

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Speaker 1: Croom listed his day to day with a groin that

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Speaker 1: kept him out of last Sunday's game, and of course

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Speaker 1: Terren Johnson, cornerback, still out with his shoulder injury. Matt

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Speaker 1: Mulano will be out, of course for the rest of

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Speaker 1: the season with the surgery he had on his foot

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01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:19,960
Speaker 1: his broken fibula yesterday. So the Bills with the long

1904
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Speaker 1: injury list and a matchup with the Detroit Lions, who

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Speaker 1: still have some playoff aspirations one o'clock kickoff on Sunday

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Speaker 1: here at New Era of Field. Minnesota Vikings have let

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Speaker 1: go their offensive coordinator, John d Filippo, who they fought

1908
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Speaker 1: hard to get on the Vikings coaching staff after a

1909
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Speaker 1: successful stint as quarterbacks coach for the Super Bowl champion

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Speaker 1: Eagles last year. John d. Philippo has fired has been

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Speaker 1: fired as the offensive coordinator of the Minnesota Vikings. That

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Speaker 1: happened just before we went on the air. Some thought

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Speaker 1: that d Filippo be a candidate for a head coaching

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Speaker 1: job in the upcoming season next season, but he has

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Speaker 1: been let go by the Minnesota Vikings. He was fired today.

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Speaker 1: The Vikings coming off of twenty one, having lost in

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Speaker 1: Seattle last night at Century Linkfield. The Seahawks defense playing

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Speaker 1: extremely well, Vikings hadsome opportunities to get back into it

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Speaker 1: but could not cash in, and Minnesota, with a six

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Speaker 1: six and one record, fires their offensive coordinator. Bill Bottlechick

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Speaker 1: blames himself for some of the issues in Miami's meltdown

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Speaker 1: against the Miami or New England's meltdown in Miami, including

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Speaker 1: the game ending sixty nine yard touchdown that ended it.

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Speaker 1: Bubblechick said it was his call to putt Rob Grunkowski

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Speaker 1: in the field in place of safety. Devin mccordy. Savers

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Speaker 1: hockey tonight Savers in the high like Kings from keymank Center,

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Speaker 1: Buffalo trying to earn their first season sweep of the

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Speaker 1: Kings since two thirteen, twenty fourteen. More importantly, Buffalo trying

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Speaker 1: to snap a five game losing street. Come on going tonight,

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Speaker 1: Come on, Saves, I got Thursday tickets. What are they

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Speaker 1: playing Thursday? Do we know? I don't care, Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: just going Arizona and playing in Arizona. Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: that's good. Okay. Hey, Steve and I have a date tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: even though we refuse to acknowlegend as a date, but

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Speaker 1: we're gonna go down to seven one six, food and

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Speaker 1: sports tomorrow. You are welcome to observe seven o'clock. They've

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Speaker 1: got a special pre screening of A Football Life Thurman Thomas.

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Speaker 1: One hour special on the life and times of the

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Speaker 1: Bill's Hall of Fame running back at Arizon NFL Network

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Speaker 1: this Friday at eight pm. But if you just can't

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Speaker 1: wait to see it, join us tomorrow at seven one

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Speaker 1: six Food and Sport for a pre screening of A

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Speaker 1: Football Life Thurman Thomas, presented by NFL Films. It'll be

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Speaker 1: on NFL Network this Friday. If you'd like to reserve

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Speaker 1: a table at seven one six, you can do it

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Speaker 1: right now online seven one six Food and Sports dot

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Speaker 1: com for tomorrow night. We'll be there, Thurman will be there.

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Speaker 1: It should be fun show itself. A Football Life Thurman

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Speaker 1: Thomas produced by our Next Guests. He's produced and directed

1950
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Speaker 1: twelve Football Life episodes for NFL Films. He's won ten

1951
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Speaker 1: Emmy Awards. Producer director at NFL Films. Paul Monusky on

1952
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Speaker 1: the Subway First take Highline with us Paul, John Murphy

1953
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Speaker 1: and Steve Tasker here in Buffalo. Steve's first question is

1954
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Speaker 1: when is his football life? What's the hold up? Don't do?

1955
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Speaker 1: Maybe next year we'll look into it. Maybe next next season.

1956
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Speaker 1: How long ago did you know? And obviously there's a

1957
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Speaker 1: couple of hundred guys who are have great stories around

1958
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Speaker 1: the NFL. How long ago did you get the green

1959
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Speaker 1: light to say, you know what, let's do a Thurman

1960
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Speaker 1: Thomas football life. How long ago does that? And you know,

1961
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Speaker 1: so it's gonna air Friday? How long has it been

1962
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Speaker 1: in the works? Six months? I've been working on this

1963
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Speaker 1: show for about for about six months usually, you know,

1964
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Speaker 1: and March we try to figure out what we're gonna

1965
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Speaker 1: do for the season. And we've done over a hundred

1966
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Speaker 1: episodes of a football Life, um, and so we still

1967
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Speaker 1: have more to do. I know Bruce Smith was asking

1968
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Speaker 1: me about it when I interviewed him as well, so

1969
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Speaker 1: asking you about Steve. No, he was asking me about Bruce.

1970
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Speaker 1: Am I right, Bruce? Really what we're gonna do the

1971
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Speaker 1: Steve task? Yeah? Yeah, you're being I know your tongue

1972
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Speaker 1: is firmly and planning in your achieve that that is

1973
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 1: snarky at best. I know, did you give Bruce an

1974
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 1: answer about when Bruce Smith's football life is coming out?

1975
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Speaker 1: He's very intimidating, Like I almost I would have just

1976
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Speaker 1: told him, yes, it's it's happening tomorrow, right, But you know,

1977
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Speaker 1: we'll see at the end of this year, we'll we'll

1978
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Speaker 1: see what the list happened for next year. We have

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Speaker 1: to count own of Bruce Smith. Two hundreds doesn't get

1980
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Speaker 1: you anything. Come on, he's a big guy. I know.

1981
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Speaker 1: Tell me this about this Thurman Thomas football life. Did

1982
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Speaker 1: anything like surprise you? I mean, you've done a couple

1983
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Speaker 1: of hundred of these, you say, is there anything? I know,

1984
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Speaker 1: they're all unique. What surprised you about the Thurman Thomas

1985
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Speaker 1: A football life? Well, you know, he was so amenable

1986
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:29,240
Speaker 1: with this time. You know, we went on so many

1987
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:32,719
Speaker 1: different shoots with him, which is very rare. The biggest

1988
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:34,760
Speaker 1: thing that surprised me, and I know that this is

1989
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Speaker 1: going to sound maybe a little bit weird to people

1990
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Speaker 1: in Buffalo, but just going back and really seeing how

1991
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Speaker 1: amazing those teams were, how amazing his highlights were. You

1992
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:50,679
Speaker 1: could put his highlights up against anybody that has ever played.

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Speaker 1: And it's not just that, you know, I've followed him

1994
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Speaker 1: and been with him for these six months, and that

1995
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Speaker 1: this film is coming out, and that this is my film.

1996
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Speaker 1: I would say this no matter what, he is one

1997
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Speaker 1: of the best players that has ever played, and just

1998
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Speaker 1: as a person. You know, you never know with these

1999
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Speaker 1: guys what kind of people they're gonna be, And he

2000
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Speaker 1: really is a genuine and a great person, and I

2001
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Speaker 1: thought that was the most pleasant surprise to meet him

2002
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Speaker 1: and have him be such a great guy. Hey, Paul,

2003
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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the criteria for determining

2004
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Speaker 1: who gets one of these made about him. We're joking

2005
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Speaker 1: about it with Steven and Bruce Smith. You don't have

2006
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Speaker 1: to be a Hall of Famer, do Yeah? I mean

2007
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Speaker 1: I see guys who may wind up in the Hall

2008
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Speaker 1: of Fame. But like you've done, Football Lives on Tim Tebow,

2009
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:36,760
Speaker 1: on Chris Collinsworth, the Steve McNair. What are you looking

2010
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Speaker 1: for for a candidate for a football life, Well, you know,

2011
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Speaker 1: a great story, something that you know people are going

2012
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Speaker 1: to be interested in, and to tell you the truth,

2013
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:47,840
Speaker 1: like these things, you got to fill an hour. So

2014
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Speaker 1: we always say it's it's six segments that you got

2015
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Speaker 1: to fill. So if there's an interesting story for six segments,

2016
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Speaker 1: then it'll work. One one of the twelve that I

2017
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Speaker 1: had done was with Keenan McCardell and Jimmy Smith. Together

2018
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Speaker 1: those two guys, and that was one of, you know,

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Speaker 1: one of my favorites and maybe not two of the

2020
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Speaker 1: biggest names, but they were really really good. Um, so

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Speaker 1: you never know, it could be anything. Uh. And Thurman,

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Speaker 1: you know, as opposed to say, Jim Kelly would all

2023
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Speaker 1: the stuff that Jim has been dealing with off the field.

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Speaker 1: Thurmon didn't have as much of that stuff, but he's

2025
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Speaker 1: still had a great story. Yeah. One of the things

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Speaker 1: about Thurman, and you're right is particularly since you know

2027
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Speaker 1: he'd become you know, since he's left the game, is

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Speaker 1: his family and how much Patty and his and his

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Speaker 1: kids and how much that his revolt life revolves around

2030
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Speaker 1: that these days, how much how involved are they in

2031
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Speaker 1: this production. Oh, they've been great, they've been great. And

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Speaker 1: first it really even starts with his mom as well.

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Speaker 1: You know a lot of this stuff we think, you know,

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Speaker 1: everybody's got a camera now and everybody's got a camera phone.

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Speaker 1: And if you ask anybody today that has young kids,

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Speaker 1: they've got nine thousand pictures of their kids. When when

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Speaker 1: you're doing these documentaries about guys who are a little

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Speaker 1: bit older, you don't have a lot of pictures. Usually. Well,

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Speaker 1: Thurman was an only child and his mom took so

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Speaker 1: many pictures of him, so we had so many picture

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Speaker 1: of him growing up, which really really helped and was great.

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Speaker 1: And Patty is just Patty's been amazing and the kids

2043
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Speaker 1: have been great. And you know, Anka, one of his daughters,

2044
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Speaker 1: she plays sort of a major role towards the end

2045
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Speaker 1: of the film was sort of what she's going through

2046
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Speaker 1: and what Thurman and Patty have been helping her with

2047
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Speaker 1: and so really we couldn't have been able to make

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Speaker 1: the film without them. Our guest is Paulmannuski is an

2049
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Speaker 1: NFL films producer director. He produced a Football Life Thurman Thomas,

2050
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Speaker 1: which airs on NFL Network this Friday. You know, Paul,

2051
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Speaker 1: it strikes me that the NFL world, maybe fans casual fans,

2052
01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:50,840
Speaker 1: I guess, really were introduced to Thurman Thomas on Draft

2053
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Speaker 1: Day back in nineteen eighty eight on ESPN, when he

2054
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:56,760
Speaker 1: started to nap before his name was called. That's got

2055
01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:58,280
Speaker 1: to be part of the show and part of his story.

2056
01:41:58,360 --> 01:42:00,280
Speaker 1: That really is an important part of his story. Wasn't

2057
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:02,519
Speaker 1: it the draft day snub that sort of fueled his

2058
01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:05,559
Speaker 1: whole career? You know, the biggest thing that we wanted

2059
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:07,760
Speaker 1: to show like, sort of the thread through this whole

2060
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:11,479
Speaker 1: film was Thurman when he faced adversity, no matter what,

2061
01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:14,240
Speaker 1: he always found a way to get through it. And

2062
01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:18,120
Speaker 1: this draft we so he was sort of one of

2063
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Speaker 1: the first people to ever have ESPN in their homes

2064
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:24,559
Speaker 1: during the draft. So what I did is I took

2065
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Speaker 1: him back to his apartment in Stillwater, Oklahoma. So he's

2066
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:31,720
Speaker 1: back there in the same apartment that he was during

2067
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:34,160
Speaker 1: the draft, and we sort of relived the whole entire thing,

2068
01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:36,920
Speaker 1: and we go through the whole entire thing. I was

2069
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:39,439
Speaker 1: listening to your show earlier. You're talking about Detroit and

2070
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Speaker 1: Detroit and playing the Bills this week. Detroit passed on

2071
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Speaker 1: Thurman three times in that draft, and they didn't have

2072
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Speaker 1: a running back. Obviously, they took a running back the

2073
01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:54,680
Speaker 1: next year, right right, they did. They got a good one.

2074
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Speaker 1: But so we took him back to his apartment and

2075
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:01,519
Speaker 1: it's still holds true. It still sticks with him to

2076
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Speaker 1: this day that seven other running backs were taken ahead

2077
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:08,760
Speaker 1: of Thurman Thomas in that nineteen eighty eight draft. I

2078
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:11,760
Speaker 1: can't wait. I love that and I hope we're going

2079
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:15,599
Speaker 1: to see the preview, the pre the viewing party tomorrow. Night,

2080
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Speaker 1: and I hope I get a chance to be with

2081
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:21,560
Speaker 1: Thurman when they sat that part. I can't wait to

2082
01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 1: bust on him. Hey, you could go ahead, No, I'm sorry.

2083
01:43:25,439 --> 01:43:28,080
Speaker 1: You could tell he was still he was still upset.

2084
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:30,360
Speaker 1: You know. It's still to this day, it still stays

2085
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Speaker 1: with him. That is awesome. Hey, um, you mentioned Mary.

2086
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Speaker 1: You didn't mention his name, but Barry Sanders. That's an

2087
01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:37,680
Speaker 1: important part of the Thurman story, isn't it. And it

2088
01:43:38,200 --> 01:43:40,880
Speaker 1: sort of defies belief sometimes that the two of them

2089
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:43,559
Speaker 1: were on the roster down there at Oklahoma Statan Thurman

2090
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:45,559
Speaker 1: played ahead of one of the all time great running backs.

2091
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Speaker 1: That was another one of the great parts that I

2092
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Speaker 1: got to do for this film. Now, I did Barry

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Speaker 1: Sanders football life, so I got to know him pretty well.

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01:43:53,680 --> 01:43:56,559
Speaker 1: And I was able to get Thurman and Barry together

2095
01:43:57,479 --> 01:43:59,240
Speaker 1: at the Hall of Fame this year and we just

2096
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:01,840
Speaker 1: sat down and it's just the two of them, and

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01:44:02,240 --> 01:44:05,120
Speaker 1: just the two of them telling stories from when they

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01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:09,439
Speaker 1: were in college and how Thurman was the man at

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01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:12,800
Speaker 1: Oklahoma States for those two years, and the interactions just

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01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:15,679
Speaker 1: between the two of them, these two great running backs

2101
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:19,000
Speaker 1: were really, really cool, and it's probably my favorite part

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Speaker 1: of the film. Paumansky produced a Thurman Thomas of Football

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01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:25,640
Speaker 1: Life with Jay's Friday Night on the NFL Network. I mean,

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01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:27,640
Speaker 1: I ask you this question and I'll probably pay for

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01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:30,400
Speaker 1: it tomorrow afternoon when we get Thurman on the show.

2106
01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:33,840
Speaker 1: But you have to deal with the Super Bowl twenty six, right,

2107
01:44:33,880 --> 01:44:35,840
Speaker 1: the missing helmet. You have to deal with that. How

2108
01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:37,679
Speaker 1: does that go? And how was Thurman when you started

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01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:41,280
Speaker 1: asking those questions? He was great, you know, and Patty

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01:44:41,439 --> 01:44:43,360
Speaker 1: was Patty was the one that was that was very

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01:44:43,479 --> 01:44:47,040
Speaker 1: upset about that and that line of questioning, and she

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01:44:47,240 --> 01:44:50,040
Speaker 1: just she says that she thinks it's a very unintelligent

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01:44:50,240 --> 01:44:53,640
Speaker 1: argument when people say that he lost his helmet. But

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01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:55,840
Speaker 1: we really just tried to dive into it and Steve

2115
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:58,519
Speaker 1: was great on it, and Bruce was great on it,

2116
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:01,360
Speaker 1: and you know, it was just one of those things

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01:45:01,479 --> 01:45:04,920
Speaker 1: that happened. Um that really, I mean really, when you

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01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:06,719
Speaker 1: break it down, and Steve says it in the film,

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01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:08,599
Speaker 1: it was really when you break it down, it wasn't

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01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:11,560
Speaker 1: why they lost the game. And it's a shame that

2121
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:14,960
Speaker 1: that's what people think of when people think of him,

2122
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:17,840
Speaker 1: that they think of that helmet. Yeah, it was it

2123
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:20,960
Speaker 1: was not his fault, and yeah, and it's something that

2124
01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:23,560
Speaker 1: you can shake off. And even in the midst of it,

2125
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:25,519
Speaker 1: it was like it wasn't even a bump in the

2126
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:27,360
Speaker 1: road for that game. It was a couple of plays

2127
01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:31,200
Speaker 1: and um, but it's still I'm so glad, you know,

2128
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:34,519
Speaker 1: for myself, and I know I speak for all Thurman's teammates,

2129
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:40,760
Speaker 1: and I'm so glad it was him and not me. Right, hey,

2130
01:45:41,400 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 1: you interviewed my partner. Here is Steve tasking for the show.

2131
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:46,360
Speaker 1: Where did you do the interview in the church somewhere?

2132
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:47,920
Speaker 1: I mean, what did Steeve tell you? Why I'm at

2133
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:49,280
Speaker 1: church right now? You come over here and you can

2134
01:45:49,320 --> 01:45:53,200
Speaker 1: interview me. It was the museum. What was it? Yeah,

2135
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:56,040
Speaker 1: the North Hall on North Street. It was at the

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01:45:56,240 --> 01:46:02,639
Speaker 1: Carpalis Museum. Um, it was really I thought it looked

2137
01:46:02,640 --> 01:46:04,479
Speaker 1: at it looked really cool. We interviewed Steve there, We

2138
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:08,000
Speaker 1: interviewed Dick Carucci there, We interviewed Patty there, but in

2139
01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:11,920
Speaker 1: a different area of the thing. And the main interview

2140
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:15,000
Speaker 1: that we did for Thurman Thomas is right at the stadium,

2141
01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:18,559
Speaker 1: you know, at night with the field in the background,

2142
01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:22,280
Speaker 1: and it really came out looking looking very great. But

2143
01:46:22,479 --> 01:46:24,680
Speaker 1: I do have to just add one more thing just

2144
01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:28,720
Speaker 1: to thank you guys, because I was there the day

2145
01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:31,439
Speaker 1: of his retirement ceremony. So I was in my hotel

2146
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:32,960
Speaker 1: and I was trying to figure out what to do.

2147
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:35,040
Speaker 1: So I turned on the TV and it was one

2148
01:46:35,120 --> 01:46:38,479
Speaker 1: Bills Live and Steve you went out into the parking

2149
01:46:38,520 --> 01:46:41,880
Speaker 1: lot and you were interviewing fans in the parking lot

2150
01:46:42,200 --> 01:46:43,599
Speaker 1: and one of the guys like, yeah, I've been here

2151
01:46:43,640 --> 01:46:46,320
Speaker 1: since five am Sunday morning. And I was like, well,

2152
01:46:46,360 --> 01:46:48,080
Speaker 1: maybe we should go out to the parking lot when

2153
01:46:48,120 --> 01:46:50,000
Speaker 1: we get there for the Monday night game. And we

2154
01:46:50,120 --> 01:46:52,360
Speaker 1: ended up doing that, and we got some great stuff

2155
01:46:52,479 --> 01:46:54,760
Speaker 1: in the parking lot before the Monday night game before

2156
01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:57,840
Speaker 1: his Jersey retirement. And that's all because of you guys

2157
01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:00,280
Speaker 1: in your show. So thank you very much forgot about that. Yeah,

2158
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:04,120
Speaker 1: I was out doing some tailgate interviews on Monday before

2159
01:47:04,160 --> 01:47:07,000
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, it was fun. We know we know

2160
01:47:07,080 --> 01:47:09,360
Speaker 1: Thurman pretty well here on this show. Most Bills fans

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01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:11,360
Speaker 1: probably feel they know him pretty well. Can you give

2162
01:47:11,439 --> 01:47:14,400
Speaker 1: us one thing that Bills fans might learn from watching

2163
01:47:14,439 --> 01:47:18,479
Speaker 1: The Football Life Thurman Thomas this week? I think that

2164
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:22,280
Speaker 1: if any fan had any sort of, you know, thoughts

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01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:25,680
Speaker 1: about why he left, or why he went to the Dolphins,

2166
01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:28,960
Speaker 1: or how that all went down, or what he was thinking,

2167
01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:33,559
Speaker 1: or even what he feels about the city of Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: I think all that will be put to rest when

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01:47:37,200 --> 01:47:39,360
Speaker 1: when they watched this film. Now I want to see it.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait. Hey, Paul, congratulations on this. Congratulations. Are

2171
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:44,479
Speaker 1: you gonna be there tomorrow night? Paul, you come to know,

2172
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:47,840
Speaker 1: you know Steve, nobody, nobody threw the invite out to me,

2173
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:51,040
Speaker 1: So wow, I gotta go. That's perfect. I'm gonna throw

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01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:53,880
Speaker 1: that back in Thurm's face. Two six months, couldn't even

2175
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:55,640
Speaker 1: get an invity, didn't even get an invite to the

2176
01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:58,719
Speaker 1: holiday party. You know they're having the Thurman Thomas Family

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01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:03,320
Speaker 1: Foundation Holiday party on Friday. Yeah, yeah, I think I

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01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:06,120
Speaker 1: got your invitation, Paul. I think I got nothing. I

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01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:10,840
Speaker 1: got nothing. Thanks for this. Faul's good luck with us.

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01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:12,960
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, all right. I really appreciate and

2181
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:14,800
Speaker 1: I hope the fans enjoy it. I'm sure they will.

2182
01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:18,800
Speaker 1: Paul Nusky is NFL film producer director, winner of ten

2183
01:48:18,920 --> 01:48:22,120
Speaker 1: Emmy Awards. He produced and directed A Football Life. He's

2184
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:24,360
Speaker 1: done twelve with him this one this week A Football

2185
01:48:24,439 --> 01:48:27,599
Speaker 1: Life Thurman Thomas Again, here's the thing Tomorrow night, seven

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01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:30,680
Speaker 1: pm at seven one six Food and Sports. It'll be

2187
01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:33,120
Speaker 1: a special pre screening. You're invited. It is free and

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01:48:33,240 --> 01:48:35,680
Speaker 1: open to the public. Steve Tasker and I will be

2189
01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:37,640
Speaker 1: there to watch it with you and with Thurman. And

2190
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:40,160
Speaker 1: if you can't make that at Arizon NFL Network Friday

2191
01:48:40,240 --> 01:48:44,679
Speaker 1: night eight pm start. So I have disposal. I can't

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01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:48,000
Speaker 1: be guaranteed. So you're saying you'll watch it more than once, well,

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01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:50,640
Speaker 1: I gotta watch it at least. Yeah, I don't know

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01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:52,320
Speaker 1: how this thing is gonna be at seven one six.

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01:48:52,320 --> 01:48:53,840
Speaker 1: You know how that is that got that screen that's

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01:48:53,880 --> 01:48:57,760
Speaker 1: the size of a drive in theater. Yeah, but yeah,

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01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:02,040
Speaker 1: I'm a DVR it for sure. To just watch your critique,

2198
01:49:02,040 --> 01:49:06,000
Speaker 1: your interview, well, they'll be that. But also I want

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01:49:06,040 --> 01:49:07,880
Speaker 1: to make sure I got it. I don't blame you

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01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:11,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean? You do? Yeah, Thurman Thomas. A

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Speaker 1: Football Life coming up this week the Bills. I have

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01:49:14,240 --> 01:49:15,960
Speaker 1: a game coming up this week. They have injuries to

2203
01:49:16,040 --> 01:49:17,920
Speaker 1: deal with, and we've talked a little bit about that.

2204
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:20,640
Speaker 1: Let's hear from you as the Bills move into the

2205
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:25,600
Speaker 1: final three games this season, they are officially mathematically eliminated

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01:49:26,520 --> 01:49:28,240
Speaker 1: from the playoffs. And what do you think how do

2207
01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:31,240
Speaker 1: they start to get set for twenty nineteen? What should

2208
01:49:31,320 --> 01:49:33,680
Speaker 1: they do to get ready for twenty nineteen? It's our

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Speaker 1: Twitter poll up on Twitter. We offer you a few

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01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:39,160
Speaker 1: suggestions as where you might want to vote, and when

2211
01:49:39,200 --> 01:49:41,519
Speaker 1: we ask you what can the Bills do to get

2212
01:49:41,560 --> 01:49:44,240
Speaker 1: ready for twenty nineteen? Most of you think it should

2213
01:49:44,280 --> 01:49:48,400
Speaker 1: be focused on the offensive line. I'm gonna fire up

2214
01:49:48,439 --> 01:49:51,000
Speaker 1: now the Twitter polls where I can read you the results.

2215
01:49:51,080 --> 01:49:52,840
Speaker 1: The most important thing for the Bills to make a

2216
01:49:52,840 --> 01:49:55,960
Speaker 1: playoff push in twenty nineteen. Fifty nine percent of you

2217
01:49:56,080 --> 01:49:58,880
Speaker 1: say additions to the offensive line, twenty eight percent of

2218
01:49:58,920 --> 01:50:02,240
Speaker 1: you say upgraded talent the wide receiver, eleven percent say

2219
01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:04,680
Speaker 1: more development than alan, two percent say something else. What

2220
01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:07,880
Speaker 1: do you think we've got time to discuss? Eighth fifty

2221
01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:12,439
Speaker 1: and twelve three one eight five fifty All right, mur

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01:50:12,439 --> 01:50:15,679
Speaker 1: if I've We've had this conversation a couple of times

2223
01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:19,160
Speaker 1: over the last forty eight hours, and you know how

2224
01:50:19,240 --> 01:50:23,800
Speaker 1: I feel about it. I mean, how far away do

2225
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:26,320
Speaker 1: you really think they are as competitive as they have

2226
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:29,320
Speaker 1: been against a great defense like Jacksonville put out there

2227
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:31,160
Speaker 1: the other day, and they're one of the top defenses

2228
01:50:31,160 --> 01:50:35,120
Speaker 1: around and they beat those guys. They were competitive with

2229
01:50:35,200 --> 01:50:37,439
Speaker 1: the Dolphins and the Jets. Now granted those two team, well,

2230
01:50:37,479 --> 01:50:39,479
Speaker 1: the Dolphins are still in the in the conversation for

2231
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:41,680
Speaker 1: in the hunt of the playoffs, but the Jets are

2232
01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:43,120
Speaker 1: a little bit in the same boat as the Bills

2233
01:50:44,240 --> 01:50:46,800
Speaker 1: more than competitive in those games. And we walk I

2234
01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:48,960
Speaker 1: think you and I both walked away, and not me

2235
01:50:49,080 --> 01:50:50,880
Speaker 1: walking away, But you did that game and I watched

2236
01:50:50,920 --> 01:50:53,800
Speaker 1: it a couple of times. You feel like those are

2237
01:50:53,840 --> 01:50:57,880
Speaker 1: games you can win. So, having said all of that,

2238
01:50:58,040 --> 01:50:59,760
Speaker 1: and how things have changed from the beginning of the

2239
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:02,040
Speaker 1: season to this point where you're seeing Josh on the

2240
01:51:02,160 --> 01:51:04,280
Speaker 1: field doing some things that he's doing, giving this team

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01:51:04,280 --> 01:51:06,280
Speaker 1: a chance and doing these things that nobody else is doing,

2242
01:51:06,680 --> 01:51:08,840
Speaker 1: plus showing their arm once in a while that he has.

2243
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:12,679
Speaker 1: How far away you think they are? That's tough questions, Steve.

2244
01:51:12,760 --> 01:51:14,720
Speaker 1: I told you yesterday, I felt like a long way

2245
01:51:14,720 --> 01:51:17,639
Speaker 1: off because I just had a vision yesterday of all

2246
01:51:17,680 --> 01:51:21,840
Speaker 1: of their needs personnel wise, offensive line, wide receiver. Do

2247
01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:25,559
Speaker 1: they need another running back probably, do they need tight end? Help. Yes,

2248
01:51:25,640 --> 01:51:27,720
Speaker 1: they probably do. Are They're getting a little bit old

2249
01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:31,639
Speaker 1: upfront defensively with the Kyle and Lorenzo. Alexander can always

2250
01:51:31,720 --> 01:51:35,559
Speaker 1: use more linebackers, need corners. I mean yesterday I was hit.

2251
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:38,680
Speaker 1: I think that's what propted your question with Man, this

2252
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:40,960
Speaker 1: team needs a lot. Let me just say this, they're

2253
01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:43,559
Speaker 1: three games left. I don't have answers to this question. See,

2254
01:51:43,600 --> 01:51:45,519
Speaker 1: because I want to see how these three play out.

2255
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:48,599
Speaker 1: I really do you get answers in regular season games,

2256
01:51:48,680 --> 01:51:52,000
Speaker 1: including these last three so called meaningless regular season games.

2257
01:51:52,040 --> 01:51:54,800
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not prepared at this point to say how far,

2258
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:57,759
Speaker 1: how close, how far they might be from playoff contention.

2259
01:51:57,800 --> 01:52:01,439
Speaker 1: They were in playoff contention, you know, twelve short months ago, right,

2260
01:52:01,479 --> 01:52:03,720
Speaker 1: they were in the playoffs twelve short months ago. So

2261
01:52:04,080 --> 01:52:06,080
Speaker 1: to get back to that might not be a huge lift.

2262
01:52:06,120 --> 01:52:08,439
Speaker 1: But they need players. They definitely need some players. Yeah,

2263
01:52:08,479 --> 01:52:11,360
Speaker 1: I think because of the injuries that have happened to him,

2264
01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:12,720
Speaker 1: you're going to get a chance to see some of

2265
01:52:12,760 --> 01:52:15,160
Speaker 1: these guys and get it. You know, the depth is

2266
01:52:15,160 --> 01:52:17,080
Speaker 1: going to be tested on the roster, There's no question

2267
01:52:17,160 --> 01:52:20,759
Speaker 1: about it. And as I said earlier, the special teams

2268
01:52:21,200 --> 01:52:23,719
Speaker 1: problems that they showed on the field this last Sunday

2269
01:52:23,720 --> 01:52:26,479
Speaker 1: against the Jets, in my opinion, were direct correlation with

2270
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:30,120
Speaker 1: the injuries they suffered with having frontline guys go down

2271
01:52:30,360 --> 01:52:33,240
Speaker 1: or be replaced by backup guys who had been playing

2272
01:52:33,280 --> 01:52:36,400
Speaker 1: special teams. So now you got younger, new, or less

2273
01:52:36,479 --> 01:52:38,800
Speaker 1: experienced guys covering kicks and he give up one hundred

2274
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:41,040
Speaker 1: and seventy five yards and returns, and it bites you

2275
01:52:41,120 --> 01:52:42,960
Speaker 1: and it costs you the game in a lot of ways.

2276
01:52:44,160 --> 01:52:45,920
Speaker 1: But on the other side of that, you're going to

2277
01:52:45,960 --> 01:52:47,560
Speaker 1: get a chance to look at these young guys in

2278
01:52:47,560 --> 01:52:51,080
Speaker 1: the next three weeks. And I think I said again,

2279
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:54,320
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see these guys play. Yeah, And

2280
01:52:54,720 --> 01:52:57,519
Speaker 1: to your point specifically, Robert Foster has had a couple

2281
01:52:57,560 --> 01:53:00,479
Speaker 1: of good weeks here. Maybe he emerges as a guy

2282
01:53:00,560 --> 01:53:02,280
Speaker 1: who you can count on as a two or a

2283
01:53:02,360 --> 01:53:04,280
Speaker 1: three wide receiver. I don't know if he's there yet,

2284
01:53:04,680 --> 01:53:06,439
Speaker 1: but he's had a couple of good weeks here. In

2285
01:53:06,479 --> 01:53:08,040
Speaker 1: the last couple of what if he puts the strings

2286
01:53:08,080 --> 01:53:10,160
Speaker 1: together three more weeks just like the last two where

2287
01:53:10,200 --> 01:53:12,720
Speaker 1: he's had one hundred yards, he had questions. He had

2288
01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:16,720
Speaker 1: seven receptions on eight targets. That's a really good day.

2289
01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:20,519
Speaker 1: That's by any stain three weeks. So if the next

2290
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:22,760
Speaker 1: three weeks or if he can do that consistently, that

2291
01:53:23,200 --> 01:53:25,760
Speaker 1: answers questions. People have got to start scratching their chin,

2292
01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:29,760
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, all right, maybe stick around.

2293
01:53:29,880 --> 01:53:33,040
Speaker 1: You know, maybe he's better than we thought, you know. So,

2294
01:53:33,560 --> 01:53:36,040
Speaker 1: I think it's there's a lot of stuff to be

2295
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:39,000
Speaker 1: watching for in this game and these next few games,

2296
01:53:39,080 --> 01:53:41,680
Speaker 1: and the Lions coming in. I'm glad two of the

2297
01:53:41,720 --> 01:53:44,679
Speaker 1: three are gonna be at home. That's gonna be a boost.

2298
01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:47,120
Speaker 1: I'm glad two of the three are gonna be division games. Yeah,

2299
01:53:47,280 --> 01:53:50,000
Speaker 1: I mean you get a get a Josh is gonna

2300
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:54,080
Speaker 1: get a chance to see the Dolphins again. Uh, and

2301
01:53:54,200 --> 01:53:56,920
Speaker 1: the Patriots in New England. I mean that's just something

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01:53:57,040 --> 01:54:01,240
Speaker 1: I think that everybody on the Bill's organization should. You know,

2303
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:03,000
Speaker 1: you got to go into that place, and I think

2304
01:54:03,120 --> 01:54:05,720
Speaker 1: I think that's something you need to face. If you're

2305
01:54:05,720 --> 01:54:08,040
Speaker 1: in the AFAC East, right, that's got to be on

2306
01:54:08,120 --> 01:54:10,000
Speaker 1: your on your list of things you got to face down.

2307
01:54:10,240 --> 01:54:12,639
Speaker 1: And I'm looking forward to seeing them do that as well.

2308
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:14,680
Speaker 1: What's the most important thing the Bills need to make

2309
01:54:14,720 --> 01:54:16,479
Speaker 1: a playoff push next year. What do you think, Joe

2310
01:54:16,640 --> 01:54:20,360
Speaker 1: in Tonawana to go ahead, Joe around the air, Hi, guys, Hi,

2311
01:54:21,240 --> 01:54:23,560
Speaker 1: well up to savers loose tonight. You guys got to

2312
01:54:23,640 --> 01:54:26,519
Speaker 1: drink this magic potion with maybe with some eye of

2313
01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:30,240
Speaker 1: newt maybe that'll change it. Yeah, yeah, I got you

2314
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:36,880
Speaker 1: juf kidding. H Actually, my friend Al would like to

2315
01:54:36,920 --> 01:54:39,280
Speaker 1: put it in a vote for Steve because he thinks

2316
01:54:39,320 --> 01:54:41,720
Speaker 1: you're the best special team player there ever was. Do

2317
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:43,760
Speaker 1: we take proxy votes for the Hall of Fame? I

2318
01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:45,240
Speaker 1: don't know if we do take things so I don't

2319
01:54:45,240 --> 01:54:48,040
Speaker 1: think they're too easy to manufacture. Look, I think it's

2320
01:54:48,040 --> 01:54:49,640
Speaker 1: a it's a it's a big lift for us to

2321
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:51,720
Speaker 1: take these votes, which we will to the Hall of Fame.

2322
01:54:51,960 --> 01:54:54,360
Speaker 1: But if we start getting asked, uh, you know, one man,

2323
01:54:54,440 --> 01:54:56,480
Speaker 1: one vote, those kind of questions, I don't want to

2324
01:54:56,520 --> 01:54:57,920
Speaker 1: have to answer, Well, we got a couple of proxy

2325
01:54:58,000 --> 01:55:00,760
Speaker 1: votes here. We're gonna hire a lawyer especially get the

2326
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:05,600
Speaker 1: special proxy here. Joe, thank you, presire. What's your question, Joe?

2327
01:55:05,640 --> 01:55:08,360
Speaker 1: What do you got? Well? Uh? I can't wait to

2328
01:55:08,440 --> 01:55:12,360
Speaker 1: see the upcoming Benjamin Bobbles. That's gonna be great. Um

2329
01:55:13,360 --> 01:55:17,560
Speaker 1: with easy. We think we need he needs another speedy

2330
01:55:17,640 --> 01:55:22,280
Speaker 1: slat receiver and uh, a playmaking tight end, not hands

2331
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:25,120
Speaker 1: of Kalee and uh. I don't know why, but he says,

2332
01:55:25,120 --> 01:55:27,320
Speaker 1: you just called the throw shots of people today. Huh,

2333
01:55:27,400 --> 01:55:30,480
Speaker 1: that's it. Opposite Tree White. I don't know we need

2334
01:55:30,600 --> 01:55:32,840
Speaker 1: that gay. We might need another corner opposite Tree. I

2335
01:55:32,880 --> 01:55:35,240
Speaker 1: think maybe, I don't know. I think lee By Wallace

2336
01:55:35,240 --> 01:55:37,800
Speaker 1: has acquitted himself pretty well based on the fact that

2337
01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:40,920
Speaker 1: he's a rookie free agent, undrafted rookie free agent. But yeah,

2338
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:43,040
Speaker 1: you can get better over there for sure. Yeah. I mean,

2339
01:55:43,080 --> 01:55:45,760
Speaker 1: and there's a spot at the nickel too. I mean

2340
01:55:46,920 --> 01:55:50,280
Speaker 1: they've had some. I think Terren Johnson is pretty good.

2341
01:55:50,320 --> 01:55:53,120
Speaker 1: But depth is always a good thing. I don't think

2342
01:55:53,160 --> 01:55:56,440
Speaker 1: you go into the draft thinking you're gonna draft DBS,

2343
01:55:57,520 --> 01:55:59,400
Speaker 1: you know, and I don't know where else you're gonna

2344
01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:04,880
Speaker 1: find him. But I'm totally with you, Joe. There's pass

2345
01:56:04,920 --> 01:56:07,120
Speaker 1: catchers all the way around. I think you're you're looking

2346
01:56:07,200 --> 01:56:10,400
Speaker 1: upgrade at every place if you can. And I think

2347
01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:12,920
Speaker 1: the thing we're talking about is and I think this too.

2348
01:56:13,120 --> 01:56:14,840
Speaker 1: Brandon Bean has said it time and time again. I

2349
01:56:14,880 --> 01:56:18,080
Speaker 1: don't want to make generalizations, but they're trying to get

2350
01:56:18,160 --> 01:56:20,200
Speaker 1: better all the time, all the way across their roster.

2351
01:56:20,960 --> 01:56:23,480
Speaker 1: But you're talking about priorities here in Murph and I

2352
01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:26,360
Speaker 1: and on one Bill's Live, we're talking about Listen. First things. First,

2353
01:56:26,520 --> 01:56:30,720
Speaker 1: you've got to do something about your long your offensive line,

2354
01:56:30,880 --> 01:56:34,280
Speaker 1: your outside receivers. You need better guys, You need more

2355
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:37,520
Speaker 1: depth outside. You need some offensive linemen that can work

2356
01:56:37,600 --> 01:56:40,520
Speaker 1: together and get things done together. You need more depth

2357
01:56:40,600 --> 01:56:44,160
Speaker 1: there as well. And that and I think you almost

2358
01:56:44,240 --> 01:56:46,920
Speaker 1: have to trust the coaching staff who see LaShaun McCoy

2359
01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:49,840
Speaker 1: and Chris Ivory every day to say, now, it's not

2360
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:53,080
Speaker 1: those guys, or maybe it is those guys. They do

2361
01:56:53,240 --> 01:56:56,240
Speaker 1: contribute to the problems up front and the running game.

2362
01:56:56,280 --> 01:56:58,120
Speaker 1: Maybe they could be getting more out of these runs,

2363
01:56:58,200 --> 01:57:01,520
Speaker 1: maybe they're maybe they have lost a little something on

2364
01:57:01,560 --> 01:57:05,840
Speaker 1: their fastball. But you gotta know that the problems they've

2365
01:57:05,880 --> 01:57:08,520
Speaker 1: had up front have radiated back towards the running backs.

2366
01:57:09,240 --> 01:57:11,440
Speaker 1: So I think you're gonna have to trust the coaches

2367
01:57:11,720 --> 01:57:13,400
Speaker 1: to say, you know what, I still think those guys

2368
01:57:13,480 --> 01:57:16,160
Speaker 1: can play, or you know what, that's that's something on

2369
01:57:16,240 --> 01:57:17,960
Speaker 1: the list too we gotta fix. There's a call from

2370
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:20,240
Speaker 1: Pete and Niagara Falls. Go ahead, Pete, you'reround the air

2371
01:57:20,280 --> 01:57:27,320
Speaker 1: with us. Thanks Fellas. My point with the h the

2372
01:57:27,480 --> 01:57:31,080
Speaker 1: copy of Goss when he was picked first after his

2373
01:57:31,200 --> 01:57:34,400
Speaker 1: first year, they ran him out of LA They fired

2374
01:57:34,480 --> 01:57:37,240
Speaker 1: the coach. They didn't even think this guy could play.

2375
01:57:38,400 --> 01:57:41,200
Speaker 1: Spent the off season working out every day, I heard,

2376
01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:45,600
Speaker 1: and came back in season two and uh, you know

2377
01:57:46,120 --> 01:57:48,760
Speaker 1: you were a playoff team. It came back with weapons too.

2378
01:57:48,840 --> 01:57:51,760
Speaker 1: They spent some money and got weapons. And that that's

2379
01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:53,480
Speaker 1: the model for the Bills to follow. Right in the

2380
01:57:53,640 --> 01:57:56,520
Speaker 1: endless face pieces around him and Sean mcvayh does deserve

2381
01:57:56,560 --> 01:57:58,160
Speaker 1: a lot of credit for the work he did and

2382
01:57:58,240 --> 01:58:00,880
Speaker 1: that and that that made a different for Jared Goff,

2383
01:58:00,960 --> 01:58:03,200
Speaker 1: no question about it. But yeah a lot of things

2384
01:58:03,320 --> 01:58:06,680
Speaker 1: changed rather than not just Jared Goff. Thanks for calling.

2385
01:58:06,720 --> 01:58:08,520
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break. We got an NFL Truer

2386
01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:11,000
Speaker 1: Falls coming up. More discussion on what the Bills need

2387
01:58:11,080 --> 01:58:13,680
Speaker 1: to do to make a playoff post next year, plus more,

2388
01:58:14,200 --> 01:58:16,480
Speaker 1: John Murphy, Steve Tasker, One Bill's Live from One Bill's

2389
01:58:16,520 --> 01:58:25,960
Speaker 1: Drive and this is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back to

2390
01:58:26,040 --> 01:58:28,720
Speaker 1: the show. One goal slide from one Bill's drive. That'll

2391
01:58:28,720 --> 01:58:31,480
Speaker 1: tell you. Somebody said to me the other day we stuck. Oh,

2392
01:58:31,520 --> 01:58:33,600
Speaker 1: I know. It was Billy Whipper, you know Whipper. Yeah, yeah,

2393
01:58:33,600 --> 01:58:35,160
Speaker 1: he said, tell what I like about your show? And

2394
01:58:35,240 --> 01:58:37,760
Speaker 1: I'm afraid when somebody says that. He said, you guys

2395
01:58:37,800 --> 01:58:39,840
Speaker 1: come back from break. You and Stephen, you're always laughing

2396
01:58:39,880 --> 01:58:42,640
Speaker 1: at giggling about something. We always wait until the last

2397
01:58:42,680 --> 01:58:45,400
Speaker 1: thirty seconds started. Sometimes we don't even talk during the

2398
01:58:45,400 --> 01:58:47,880
Speaker 1: breaks until the last thirty second. And then other times

2399
01:58:47,920 --> 01:58:51,080
Speaker 1: that's all we do is talk. Yeah, let's shouting match.

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01:58:52,120 --> 01:58:54,920
Speaker 1: Let's take a phone call, Let's go to gym in lockboard. Hello, Jim,

2401
01:58:54,960 --> 01:58:59,760
Speaker 1: welcome to the show. How are you all right? Good afternoon, Steve.

2402
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:04,520
Speaker 1: I like I wish you happy holidays and very merry Christmas.

2403
01:59:04,920 --> 01:59:13,200
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm calling to Detroit Games. The very last

2404
01:59:13,320 --> 01:59:18,360
Speaker 1: game played in war Memorial Stadium was Detroit. That might

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01:59:18,440 --> 01:59:21,280
Speaker 1: be right? Um, were you there? Jim? Is okay? Can

2406
01:59:21,320 --> 01:59:25,280
Speaker 1: I engage because certainly for me didn't wish Jim, you

2407
01:59:25,320 --> 01:59:27,160
Speaker 1: didn't wish Murf a happy holiday? What do you want

2408
01:59:27,160 --> 01:59:29,760
Speaker 1: me to get like a Swanson frozen dinner on Christmas?

2409
01:59:29,800 --> 01:59:31,480
Speaker 1: Even call it a holiday? Is that what you're thinking

2410
01:59:32,760 --> 01:59:35,240
Speaker 1: Murph's better, Jim, you didn't include me even want to

2411
01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:38,680
Speaker 1: make sure that you are happy. It was nineteen seventy two.

2412
01:59:38,920 --> 01:59:41,480
Speaker 1: It was nineteen seventy two. Was the first time they

2413
01:59:41,600 --> 01:59:44,760
Speaker 1: met in the regular season. I do know that, and

2414
01:59:45,200 --> 01:59:48,120
Speaker 1: it might well have been the final. It was December

2415
01:59:48,160 --> 01:59:51,600
Speaker 1: tenth night they tied twenty one all. Yes, because the

2416
01:59:51,680 --> 01:59:53,520
Speaker 1: next game was the final game of the regular season.

2417
01:59:53,560 --> 01:59:55,680
Speaker 1: It was in Washington, So yeah, the final game in

2418
01:59:55,720 --> 01:59:58,480
Speaker 1: the Old Rock Pile was against Detroit. There you go, Jim.

2419
01:59:58,520 --> 02:00:00,880
Speaker 1: Thanks Jim. Happy holidays do you and your family? Jim

2420
02:00:01,800 --> 02:00:04,560
Speaker 1: from murf How about that? Steve, want to make sure

2421
02:00:04,640 --> 02:00:06,880
Speaker 1: that you're safe and warm this holiday. Can I bring

2422
02:00:06,960 --> 02:00:09,080
Speaker 1: over a bushel of wood or something maybe to help

2423
02:00:09,120 --> 02:00:12,680
Speaker 1: you out? Murph, why don't you just leave you just yeah,

2424
02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:16,000
Speaker 1: you just got totally Steve. I just want to make

2425
02:00:16,040 --> 02:00:20,320
Speaker 1: sure that you haven't. Wow. Let's go to Mark and Buffalo. Hello, Mark,

2426
02:00:20,920 --> 02:00:25,400
Speaker 1: as you well know, murphalidays to both of you. Thank you, Mark.

2427
02:00:25,480 --> 02:00:29,600
Speaker 1: That's a spirit a log of Hall of Fame vote

2428
02:00:29,680 --> 02:00:33,760
Speaker 1: for Steve, please, yes, Hall of Fame votes for Steve.

2429
02:00:34,840 --> 02:00:36,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna start keeping track of how do they wishes?

2430
02:00:36,880 --> 02:00:42,440
Speaker 1: For Steve. He's up one to nothing. Right now, go ahead, Mark,

2431
02:00:42,520 --> 02:00:46,040
Speaker 1: what's on your mind? Okay? Well, with the injuries that like,

2432
02:00:46,320 --> 02:00:49,760
Speaker 1: we've had cornerback injuries, we've had offensive lime injuries, and

2433
02:00:49,840 --> 02:00:52,880
Speaker 1: now with the Matt Milano and yet they still have

2434
02:00:53,080 --> 02:00:57,200
Speaker 1: Derek Anderson in the quote unquote concussion protocol. This sounds

2435
02:00:57,240 --> 02:00:59,880
Speaker 1: like a little bit more than the normal quote unquote

2436
02:01:00,120 --> 02:01:04,480
Speaker 1: cushion protocol. Is there a way to maybe take him

2437
02:01:04,520 --> 02:01:07,040
Speaker 1: off the roster to freed up the spot because he's

2438
02:01:07,080 --> 02:01:09,040
Speaker 1: taken a spot right now? Right, They've got a couple

2439
02:01:09,080 --> 02:01:12,120
Speaker 1: of spots open already. Mark. It's not just Derek Anderson.

2440
02:01:12,160 --> 02:01:15,600
Speaker 1: They've got like Johnson's Tarn Johnson still on a roster.

2441
02:01:16,040 --> 02:01:18,920
Speaker 1: I mean Tarn Johnson's roster spot has not been filled.

2442
02:01:19,320 --> 02:01:22,280
Speaker 1: Matt Milano's spot has not been filled. They've got like

2443
02:01:22,600 --> 02:01:26,040
Speaker 1: maybe fifty fifty. They got fifty room for fifty three

2444
02:01:26,040 --> 02:01:27,960
Speaker 1: and I'll bet you they've got what fifty guys on

2445
02:01:28,040 --> 02:01:30,720
Speaker 1: the roster? Yeah, act, you know, Ready to go? Mark,

2446
02:01:30,760 --> 02:01:33,280
Speaker 1: Ready to go? Mark? Can I say this? And this

2447
02:01:33,600 --> 02:01:35,320
Speaker 1: is what it struck? I thought the same thing. It's

2448
02:01:35,320 --> 02:01:38,040
Speaker 1: a very good question. This is an indicative of how

2449
02:01:38,160 --> 02:01:41,640
Speaker 1: much they appreciate what Derek Anderson has meant to Josh Allen.

2450
02:01:41,680 --> 02:01:43,680
Speaker 1: I really believe that they've said it a couple times too.

2451
02:01:43,920 --> 02:01:46,520
Speaker 1: He has really become the leader in the quarterback meeting room.

2452
02:01:46,720 --> 02:01:48,920
Speaker 1: He is a guy that they are looking at for leadership,

2453
02:01:48,960 --> 02:01:52,840
Speaker 1: a guy they're looking at for Josh, and to a

2454
02:01:52,960 --> 02:01:55,320
Speaker 1: lesser extent, I think Matt Barkley to go to to

2455
02:01:55,440 --> 02:01:57,760
Speaker 1: look at as the model for what they want. Hey,

2456
02:01:58,400 --> 02:02:00,520
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised, and I haven't heard this,

2457
02:02:00,560 --> 02:02:02,520
Speaker 1: but I would not be surprised if Derek Anderson, who

2458
02:02:02,560 --> 02:02:04,600
Speaker 1: will be what thirty six next year, I would not

2459
02:02:04,680 --> 02:02:07,520
Speaker 1: be surprised if they bring him back next year to

2460
02:02:07,640 --> 02:02:10,040
Speaker 1: serve in the same role. And you've talked a couple

2461
02:02:10,120 --> 02:02:13,160
Speaker 1: times about how many months they were actively interested in

2462
02:02:13,200 --> 02:02:15,160
Speaker 1: getting him on the roster. So yeah, I don't know

2463
02:02:15,160 --> 02:02:17,240
Speaker 1: if they're going to make a move too, even if

2464
02:02:17,280 --> 02:02:19,960
Speaker 1: they need a roster spot. I think they like Derek Anderson,

2465
02:02:20,120 --> 02:02:21,840
Speaker 1: like what he's done so far, and maybe you want

2466
02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:24,400
Speaker 1: to keep him around. Yeah. I've heard conversations between you know,

2467
02:02:24,520 --> 02:02:28,240
Speaker 1: guys like Brandon Bean and Sean mcdermots stuff. I still

2468
02:02:28,280 --> 02:02:31,520
Speaker 1: think if one of their regrets this season. It's my opinion,

2469
02:02:31,600 --> 02:02:34,800
Speaker 1: I think they regret not bringing Derek Anderson in earlier

2470
02:02:34,840 --> 02:02:37,480
Speaker 1: than they did. Oh, certainly it seemed way too late

2471
02:02:37,520 --> 02:02:39,560
Speaker 1: when they finally got him in, But I think they

2472
02:02:39,680 --> 02:02:41,880
Speaker 1: wish if they had one thing to take back this year,

2473
02:02:41,960 --> 02:02:44,240
Speaker 1: one of them would be the fact that they would

2474
02:02:44,280 --> 02:02:46,360
Speaker 1: have signed Derek Anderson a lot earlier than they did.

2475
02:02:46,720 --> 02:02:50,520
Speaker 1: And it seems easy now that but yeah, I think

2476
02:02:50,880 --> 02:02:53,400
Speaker 1: they really have been pleasantly surprised with him. But I

2477
02:02:53,440 --> 02:02:56,320
Speaker 1: don't think there's anything funky going on with him being

2478
02:02:56,400 --> 02:02:58,480
Speaker 1: in the concussion protocol and then the fact that guy's

2479
02:02:58,520 --> 02:03:01,360
Speaker 1: probably thirty six year older, thirty five years old. I mean,

2480
02:03:01,400 --> 02:03:03,520
Speaker 1: it takes a lot longer to get healthy. But I

2481
02:03:03,680 --> 02:03:06,120
Speaker 1: think he is doing everything they want him to do.

2482
02:03:06,240 --> 02:03:09,880
Speaker 1: And I think you're right, Murph. They I think they

2483
02:03:10,040 --> 02:03:12,880
Speaker 1: really like the mentorship. And one of the things that

2484
02:03:13,680 --> 02:03:16,360
Speaker 1: I thought about when you were saying what he has

2485
02:03:16,400 --> 02:03:19,400
Speaker 1: brought to the room. The thing about a backup quarterback,

2486
02:03:19,480 --> 02:03:22,040
Speaker 1: a veteran backup quarterback, is when a young guy like

2487
02:03:22,160 --> 02:03:24,680
Speaker 1: Josh Allen or even a Matt Barkley, here's a guy

2488
02:03:24,760 --> 02:03:27,400
Speaker 1: like Derek Anderson speak to him about what they're seeing

2489
02:03:27,440 --> 02:03:30,360
Speaker 1: and what you should be thinking, and what the reasoning

2490
02:03:30,400 --> 02:03:32,480
Speaker 1: behind play calls. All of the stuff that you talk about.

2491
02:03:33,080 --> 02:03:37,240
Speaker 1: Is the credibility he brings to the table, The kind

2492
02:03:37,280 --> 02:03:40,080
Speaker 1: of person he is, the kind of way he communicates,

2493
02:03:41,680 --> 02:03:44,640
Speaker 1: the personality he brings to the room gives him credibility

2494
02:03:44,680 --> 02:03:47,600
Speaker 1: so that when he says something, it means you take

2495
02:03:47,640 --> 02:03:49,240
Speaker 1: it to hard more than you do even a coach

2496
02:03:49,320 --> 02:03:53,240
Speaker 1: or the offensive coordinator. His experience of looking the same

2497
02:03:53,360 --> 02:03:56,200
Speaker 1: through the same eyes that you're looking at trying to

2498
02:03:56,240 --> 02:03:58,720
Speaker 1: get it done goes a long way for a young

2499
02:03:58,840 --> 02:04:02,160
Speaker 1: quarterback to try stim and not to try and experiment

2500
02:04:02,200 --> 02:04:04,080
Speaker 1: and do it his own way. But when you get

2501
02:04:04,120 --> 02:04:06,320
Speaker 1: it from a guy you trust, you take that and

2502
02:04:06,440 --> 02:04:09,600
Speaker 1: you try and implement it. And that's what a veteran

2503
02:04:09,640 --> 02:04:11,960
Speaker 1: backup quarterback brings. And I think they're really I'm like

2504
02:04:12,080 --> 02:04:14,040
Speaker 1: Hugh Murph, I think they're really happy with Derek Henry.

2505
02:04:14,080 --> 02:04:16,080
Speaker 1: I know, I mean he was. When was Josh on

2506
02:04:16,160 --> 02:04:18,800
Speaker 1: the show this last week two weeks ago. Yeah, we

2507
02:04:18,840 --> 02:04:21,320
Speaker 1: couldn't stop him from talking about Derek Anderson and what

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Speaker 1: he's meant in the meeting room, how much he leans

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Speaker 1: on him. All right, NFL two or false now brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Yancey's Fancy New York's artists in Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: Here we go two or false the CBS Sports dot

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Speaker 1: Com story the Dolphins are in the AFC playoff race

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02:04:33,240 --> 02:04:37,120
Speaker 1: thanks to Adam Gays. I'm saying false the Dolphins during

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02:04:37,160 --> 02:04:40,680
Speaker 1: the AFC playoff race because they survived the Bills, and

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02:04:40,760 --> 02:04:42,440
Speaker 1: the Bills did not play well that game a couple

2516
02:04:42,480 --> 02:04:44,640
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, and they got a miracle finish this

2517
02:04:44,760 --> 02:04:47,360
Speaker 1: past Sunday. I mean, you heard Peter maybe you heard

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02:04:47,400 --> 02:04:49,760
Speaker 1: Peter King talk about that play and that game and

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02:04:50,120 --> 02:04:52,120
Speaker 1: what it meant didn't mean much. I don't think the

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02:04:52,200 --> 02:04:54,400
Speaker 1: Dolphins made a play at the end of the day

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02:04:54,440 --> 02:04:56,560
Speaker 1: the other day. You think Adam Gays had something to

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02:04:56,600 --> 02:04:59,400
Speaker 1: do with that play? Not really? No false Adam Gase,

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02:04:59,480 --> 02:05:02,280
Speaker 1: I think is you know you asked me this a

2524
02:05:02,320 --> 02:05:04,560
Speaker 1: month ago. I'm wondering if Adam Gas returns next year

2525
02:05:04,600 --> 02:05:07,520
Speaker 1: to coach the Miami Dolphins. So no. Um. I would

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02:05:07,560 --> 02:05:09,320
Speaker 1: love it too, by the way, and I mentioned this yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I love the setup for December thirtieth year with the

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02:05:12,400 --> 02:05:15,200
Speaker 1: Bills hopefully having a chance to drive the nail in

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02:05:15,280 --> 02:05:17,400
Speaker 1: Miami's coffin and knocked them out of the playoffs. That

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02:05:17,440 --> 02:05:20,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't make That wouldn't make my New Years. What's so funny?

2531
02:05:20,720 --> 02:05:23,520
Speaker 1: You would like it too? You've got some emotional December thirtieth,

2532
02:05:23,560 --> 02:05:25,520
Speaker 1: that'd be great. All right, here's hopefully they got to

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Speaker 1: try one of those. I'm gonna I'm gonna una. I'm

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02:05:29,080 --> 02:05:31,000
Speaker 1: gonna disagree with you, mur I think he is the

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02:05:31,440 --> 02:05:34,000
Speaker 1: entire reason they're in the playoff hunts. Now here's the thing.

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02:05:34,560 --> 02:05:36,920
Speaker 1: You forget all the moves they made this offseason and

2537
02:05:37,080 --> 02:05:39,839
Speaker 1: let the guys they let go, and Jarvis Landry and Dominicans,

2538
02:05:39,880 --> 02:05:42,400
Speaker 1: the guys that Adam Gas brought along, the guys brought

2539
02:05:42,480 --> 02:05:44,200
Speaker 1: and then he gets he was only there for one

2540
02:05:44,240 --> 02:05:47,200
Speaker 1: year before that. They're two years before that, and he

2541
02:05:47,320 --> 02:05:49,080
Speaker 1: was made it to the playoffs his first year, remember

2542
02:05:49,080 --> 02:05:50,680
Speaker 1: they were ten and six. Then the year after that

2543
02:05:51,760 --> 02:05:53,800
Speaker 1: was the year that they struggled, did not go back

2544
02:05:53,800 --> 02:05:56,240
Speaker 1: to the playoffs, and Adam Gas made some bold changes

2545
02:05:56,280 --> 02:05:59,000
Speaker 1: on that roster, got rid of some very talented players

2546
02:05:59,440 --> 02:06:01,680
Speaker 1: who were either making or in line to make a

2547
02:06:01,760 --> 02:06:04,280
Speaker 1: lot of money. And now to have them this deep

2548
02:06:04,360 --> 02:06:08,160
Speaker 1: in the season in the playoff hunt again after a

2549
02:06:08,240 --> 02:06:11,200
Speaker 1: starting quarterback was out for a month. Yeah, I think

2550
02:06:11,200 --> 02:06:13,120
Speaker 1: you got to tip your hat to Adam Case and say, yeah,

2551
02:06:13,120 --> 02:06:17,280
Speaker 1: he's done some things that doesn't well okay, but I

2552
02:06:17,440 --> 02:06:20,240
Speaker 1: would say yes, I would say true. I disagree, not

2553
02:06:20,320 --> 02:06:23,760
Speaker 1: an Adam Games fan. December thirtieth, mark your calendars. It's

2554
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:26,200
Speaker 1: gonna be fun. Knock him out of the playoff. Adam

2555
02:06:26,240 --> 02:06:28,920
Speaker 1: Gates will have his face buried in his place, not

2556
02:06:29,080 --> 02:06:32,200
Speaker 1: even looking at the game. Wow, Murph, Yeah, I have

2557
02:06:32,280 --> 02:06:35,520
Speaker 1: a vision of December thirty NFL True or false? Carolina

2558
02:06:35,560 --> 02:06:38,640
Speaker 1: Panthers playoff hopes are all but done. True? Right? Five

2559
02:06:38,720 --> 02:06:41,320
Speaker 1: straight losses, Yeah, they're not a playoff team. That's true.

2560
02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:44,680
Speaker 1: Playoff hopes for Carolina, I'm pretty much done, I think. Right, Well,

2561
02:06:44,720 --> 02:06:48,720
Speaker 1: then Minnesota's got a better chance. They are six and one, Minnesota,

2562
02:06:49,360 --> 02:06:54,440
Speaker 1: there's six, seven and one. I don't think they're done. No,

2563
02:06:54,520 --> 02:06:58,120
Speaker 1: they're not done. I still think they've got a quarterback

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02:06:58,160 --> 02:07:00,840
Speaker 1: who can get it done. I will think they've got

2565
02:07:01,080 --> 02:07:05,200
Speaker 1: um they're on the Yeah, they're not done. They're the

2566
02:07:05,280 --> 02:07:09,680
Speaker 1: seventh team right now. They're they're not done. All they

2567
02:07:09,760 --> 02:07:12,200
Speaker 1: need is a string of a couple of I don't

2568
02:07:12,240 --> 02:07:14,480
Speaker 1: think so. I think they're still in the mix. It happening.

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02:07:14,560 --> 02:07:16,240
Speaker 1: I think they're I like them better than I like

2570
02:07:16,320 --> 02:07:20,080
Speaker 1: the Vikings. Yeah, I don't know about that, and I

2571
02:07:20,160 --> 02:07:22,280
Speaker 1: like them better than I like the Eagles. And those

2572
02:07:22,320 --> 02:07:24,960
Speaker 1: are the two teams above them and below them, one above,

2573
02:07:25,040 --> 02:07:27,040
Speaker 1: one below. You think the Redskins are the Packers are

2574
02:07:27,040 --> 02:07:29,120
Speaker 1: going to climb back into that? For five straight losses

2575
02:07:29,160 --> 02:07:31,640
Speaker 1: for Carolina, I don't care. They're still in them. I

2576
02:07:31,800 --> 02:07:34,440
Speaker 1: still they're not dead. Another coach who could be in trouble,

2577
02:07:34,600 --> 02:07:36,520
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera. Yeah, that's true, though if they don't, if

2578
02:07:36,560 --> 02:07:38,480
Speaker 1: they do stumble and don't don't get it together, like

2579
02:07:38,560 --> 02:07:41,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm telling you they will. Yeah, I think

2580
02:07:42,000 --> 02:07:44,280
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera has run his course in Carolina. Let's take

2581
02:07:44,320 --> 02:07:47,880
Speaker 1: one more call Terry and Tunnelina. Hello Terry, Hey, guys,

2582
02:07:48,120 --> 02:07:52,080
Speaker 1: I think it's time we move on from shootist and

2583
02:07:52,160 --> 02:07:54,960
Speaker 1: he can't stay on the field. He served Buffalo well,

2584
02:07:55,320 --> 02:07:58,240
Speaker 1: great athlete, good guys, but it's time. What do you think?

2585
02:07:58,400 --> 02:08:01,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. Go ahead, take a chance on Kareem Hunt.

2586
02:08:02,080 --> 02:08:04,480
Speaker 1: I don't think they will take a chance on Kareem Hunt.

2587
02:08:05,800 --> 02:08:09,080
Speaker 1: That it's too tough a sell for the off the

2588
02:08:09,120 --> 02:08:13,280
Speaker 1: field issues. You're not going to sign the guy and

2589
02:08:13,320 --> 02:08:15,640
Speaker 1: then have him be suspended for eight games either or

2590
02:08:15,720 --> 02:08:17,680
Speaker 1: whatever it is, it's going to be with the NFL

2591
02:08:17,760 --> 02:08:20,320
Speaker 1: when he does come back. Um, And I don't know

2592
02:08:20,480 --> 02:08:24,000
Speaker 1: that Leshaun McCoy has outlived his usefulness for the Bills.

2593
02:08:24,440 --> 02:08:25,920
Speaker 1: And like I've said a couple of times on the

2594
02:08:25,960 --> 02:08:29,480
Speaker 1: show today, I don't know how much or how accurate

2595
02:08:29,520 --> 02:08:31,840
Speaker 1: of an evaluation you can give the Bills running backs

2596
02:08:32,360 --> 02:08:34,360
Speaker 1: given the state of the running game and the offensive

2597
02:08:34,400 --> 02:08:37,360
Speaker 1: line ahead of them. So I'm not I'm not ready

2598
02:08:37,360 --> 02:08:40,120
Speaker 1: to give up on Leshaun McCoy or Chris Ivory. And

2599
02:08:41,360 --> 02:08:43,720
Speaker 1: and I'm willing to hold judge with with whole judgment

2600
02:08:43,760 --> 02:08:46,480
Speaker 1: until I see him come back in the offseason, maybe

2601
02:08:46,520 --> 02:08:49,200
Speaker 1: the OTAs or any of that. But if you do

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02:08:49,320 --> 02:08:51,280
Speaker 1: move on from him, I would I think I hope

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02:08:51,320 --> 02:08:54,440
Speaker 1: the Bills do him. Do Leshaun McCoy the service of

2604
02:08:54,520 --> 02:08:55,720
Speaker 1: going to him and saying, how do you want to

2605
02:08:55,760 --> 02:08:58,480
Speaker 1: handle it? You want to want us to try and

2606
02:08:58,560 --> 02:09:01,840
Speaker 1: trade it, or do you want to retire? You know,

2607
02:09:01,880 --> 02:09:03,200
Speaker 1: how do you want to handle I hope they give

2608
02:09:03,280 --> 02:09:05,320
Speaker 1: him that courtesy if indeed they do come to the

2609
02:09:05,400 --> 02:09:06,520
Speaker 1: end of the line, what do you make of the

2610
02:09:06,880 --> 02:09:09,280
Speaker 1: statement just about a month ago from Brandon Bean that

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02:09:09,400 --> 02:09:11,280
Speaker 1: he was in their plans for a twenty nineteen I

2612
02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:13,440
Speaker 1: think he is, so do I I think he is.

2613
02:09:13,480 --> 02:09:15,240
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going anywhere. But if you know,

2614
02:09:16,680 --> 02:09:20,160
Speaker 1: like I said, I means they're not winning the line

2615
02:09:20,200 --> 02:09:24,600
Speaker 1: of scrimmage, right, I know? And that and listen when

2616
02:09:24,640 --> 02:09:27,320
Speaker 1: you're running back and I you know, I've seen guys,

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02:09:27,400 --> 02:09:30,800
Speaker 1: I've watched, been on teams with guys. I'm in a kid,

2618
02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:33,640
Speaker 1: I was a running back for a long time. When

2619
02:09:33,680 --> 02:09:36,120
Speaker 1: the offensive line starts to do stuff up front of you,

2620
02:09:36,200 --> 02:09:38,360
Speaker 1: you get used to it. You get trained by the

2621
02:09:38,480 --> 02:09:42,960
Speaker 1: offensive line to expect certain things, either good or bad.

2622
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Speaker 1: And I think this offensive line has trained our running

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02:09:45,680 --> 02:09:48,120
Speaker 1: backs not to have two high expectations. When they get

2624
02:09:48,160 --> 02:09:49,920
Speaker 1: the ball handed off to him, I think they feel

2625
02:09:49,960 --> 02:09:53,200
Speaker 1: like they're not spoken. It's they want to bang their

2626
02:09:53,240 --> 02:09:55,920
Speaker 1: head against the wall. So they start to get trained

2627
02:09:56,000 --> 02:09:57,880
Speaker 1: by what happens to him play after play in the

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02:09:57,960 --> 02:09:59,760
Speaker 1: running game, and they start to run differently than they

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02:09:59,760 --> 02:10:01,959
Speaker 1: will if the offensive line was winning the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 1: All right, break, We're back with more and one Bills

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Speaker 1: Live from one Bill's Drive presented by Kalida Health and

2632
02:10:06,720 --> 02:10:19,000
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Speaker 1: provider or the Buffalo Bills. We had Peter King on

2637
02:10:30,800 --> 02:10:34,160
Speaker 1: from Football Morning in America NBC Sports Pro Football Talk.

2638
02:10:34,440 --> 02:10:37,160
Speaker 1: Talked to Peter about Yes, Josh Allen, Sam Donald, and

2639
02:10:37,280 --> 02:10:39,480
Speaker 1: he had a comment about all of the first round quarterbacks,

2640
02:10:39,560 --> 02:10:42,280
Speaker 1: the five quarterbacks selected in the first round this year.

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02:10:44,680 --> 02:10:47,040
Speaker 1: One thing I was thinking watching the games on Sundays.

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02:10:48,480 --> 02:10:53,520
Speaker 1: I think all of these quarterbacks, the five first round quarterbacks,

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02:10:53,680 --> 02:10:56,280
Speaker 1: I see enough flashes in them that I say they

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02:10:56,440 --> 02:10:59,520
Speaker 1: all might get second contracts with their teams. I mean,

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02:10:59,560 --> 02:11:02,960
Speaker 1: they're really I think they're I think they're all pretty good.

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Speaker 1: They've all shown pretty good so far. Peter King on

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Speaker 1: the five first round quarterbacks this year. Earlier on this hour,

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Speaker 1: Paumanuski joined us. He is an Emmy Award winning producer

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Speaker 1: for NFL films. He's a guy who produced a Football Life.

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Speaker 1: Thurman Thomas and we'll talk about that in a minute.

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Speaker 1: It's going to air on NFL Network on Friday. But

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02:11:19,920 --> 02:11:22,760
Speaker 1: Palmanuski talked to us about working with Thurman Thomas. How

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02:11:22,840 --> 02:11:26,880
Speaker 1: much funny he had shooting and editing this show. The

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02:11:27,000 --> 02:11:29,160
Speaker 1: biggest thing that surprised me. And I know that this

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02:11:29,360 --> 02:11:31,200
Speaker 1: is going to sound maybe a little bit weird to

2656
02:11:31,240 --> 02:11:34,560
Speaker 1: people in Buffalo, but just going back and really seeing

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02:11:34,800 --> 02:11:40,560
Speaker 1: how amazing those teams were, how amazing his highlights were.

2658
02:11:41,480 --> 02:11:44,600
Speaker 1: You could put his highlights up against anybody that has

2659
02:11:44,680 --> 02:11:47,960
Speaker 1: ever played. And it's not just that, you know, I've

2660
02:11:48,280 --> 02:11:50,320
Speaker 1: followed him and been with them for these six months,

2661
02:11:50,360 --> 02:11:52,320
Speaker 1: and that this film is coming out, and that this

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02:11:52,520 --> 02:11:54,400
Speaker 1: is my film. I would say this no matter what,

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02:11:54,920 --> 02:11:58,200
Speaker 1: he is one of the best players that have ever played.

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02:11:58,680 --> 02:12:01,440
Speaker 1: And just as a person, you know, you never know

2665
02:12:01,560 --> 02:12:04,520
Speaker 1: what these guys, what kind of people they're gonna be,

2666
02:12:05,080 --> 02:12:08,960
Speaker 1: and he really is a genuine and a great person.

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02:12:09,120 --> 02:12:11,960
Speaker 1: And I thought that was the most pleasant surprise to

2668
02:12:12,120 --> 02:12:13,880
Speaker 1: meet him and have him be such a great guy.

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Speaker 1: I hope that comes across Steve. We're gonna see that show,

2670
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Speaker 1: the special pre screening him Thurman Thomas of Football Life, Steven,

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Speaker 1: I'll be there tomorrow and I seven o'clock at seven

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Speaker 1: one six food in sports, Thurman will be there. I

2673
02:12:24,880 --> 02:12:27,960
Speaker 1: would think that comes across really. I mean this in

2674
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Speaker 1: all seriousness. We kid Thurman a lot, but his genuine

2675
02:12:30,840 --> 02:12:35,880
Speaker 1: nature and his genuine concern for people, I mean it

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02:12:36,000 --> 02:12:39,160
Speaker 1: comes across wherever you meet him, right, Yeah. And he's

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Speaker 1: one of the great players, and as you know, he's

2678
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Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer and of the great players certainly

2679
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Speaker 1: in this franchise's history. And he he has the ability

2680
02:12:46,720 --> 02:12:49,080
Speaker 1: to laugh at himself and he's like like that. That's

2681
02:12:49,240 --> 02:12:50,800
Speaker 1: one of the fun things it was for me to

2682
02:12:50,880 --> 02:12:52,120
Speaker 1: be on a team like that. Head he's just like

2683
02:12:52,240 --> 02:12:56,160
Speaker 1: Jim Thurman and Bruce and they had the ability to

2684
02:12:56,320 --> 02:12:59,400
Speaker 1: laugh at themselves and know that the guys around him

2685
02:12:59,600 --> 02:13:01,680
Speaker 1: were there for him and uh and to accept it.

2686
02:13:01,760 --> 02:13:03,960
Speaker 1: And they weren't above any of those guys, and Thurman

2687
02:13:04,040 --> 02:13:05,880
Speaker 1: certainly wasn't. It was fun to be around him, and

2688
02:13:06,120 --> 02:13:08,560
Speaker 1: I think you get a sense of that when you

2689
02:13:08,840 --> 02:13:11,040
Speaker 1: hopefully you get a sense of that when you watch this. Yeah,

2690
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Speaker 1: And that's that's one of the fun things that I

2691
02:13:12,920 --> 02:13:14,720
Speaker 1: think about with those teams is how great those guys

2692
02:13:14,760 --> 02:13:17,080
Speaker 1: were and how much fun they were to bust on

2693
02:13:17,200 --> 02:13:20,000
Speaker 1: and be busted on by you know. We'll talk with

2694
02:13:20,080 --> 02:13:22,120
Speaker 1: Thurman about that show when he joins us on the

2695
02:13:22,160 --> 02:13:25,040
Speaker 1: show tomorrow. Chris Brown will report live from practice tomorrow

2696
02:13:25,040 --> 02:13:26,920
Speaker 1: as well. Make sure you tune in tomorrow at twelve noon.

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Speaker 1: Our production assistant today George Blast, Jeff Coltnick Thomas, Honolder,

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02:13:31,080 --> 02:13:34,480
Speaker 1: Kelly Rude, j j Urito, Kevin car Just James Robo.

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Speaker 1: Our producer Jay Harris, who was absent most of the day.

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Speaker 1: We'll give him a credit anyway. Make sure you join

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Speaker 1: us tomorrow at noon. One Bill's Live from One Bill's Drive.

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Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's Radio.