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Speaker 2: Be a real team. Welcome everyone to the Thursday edition

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Speaker 2: of Fair Territory, the Live Edition. I'm Ken Rosenthal here

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Speaker 2: with a lot of rizzo, a lot of good to

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Speaker 2: be with you. I was expecting a little bit more

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Speaker 2: We have had some things happen however.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there has been some stuff that's gone on. Ken.

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Speaker 3: Always great to be with you as well. And I

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Speaker 3: guess the biggest story right now in our great game

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Speaker 3: is where is Nolan Aronado going to be playing in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five? What more can you tell us?

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Speaker 2: Well, the news came out yesterday that he blocked a

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Speaker 2: trade to the Houston Astros, but blocked it only for now.

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Speaker 2: This is not over by any stretch of the imagination.

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Speaker 2: You see the tweet from the Athletics Katie Woo. She

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Speaker 2: between the Cardinals and Astros will continue. What this is

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Speaker 2: is a player with a no trade clause effectively determining

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Speaker 2: that Noan Arnato has in this situation, the leverage that

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Speaker 2: Katie Woo wrote this morning in The Athletic, he wants

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Speaker 2: maybe other teams would be interested in him, Maybe other

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Speaker 2: all the parties involved here have a degree of leverage.

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Speaker 2: The Cardinals have leverage too. Arnada wants to go, he

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Speaker 2: and this trade, if it had gone through, would have

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Speaker 2: but the Cardinals can simply say, also, no one, we

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Speaker 2: Arnado's gonna have to deal with that too, because ultimately

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Speaker 2: So there is all of this going on with this

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Speaker 2: A lot of knowing Arnado, as we both do, why

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Speaker 3: group though, Ken, do they need to add another piece

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Speaker 2: Unequivocally, the answer is yes, and they added Griffin Canning

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Speaker 4: How the Mets have gone about this.

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Speaker 2: We don't know if there's a list, we don't know

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Speaker 3: Is there any truth to the report that Michael Lias

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Speaker 2: First off, this was a report. I'm not even sure

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Speaker 4: I never heard of the person who wrote it, which.

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Speaker 2: Now I've been adamant about this. Tyler O'Neill fine as

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Speaker 2: Great question, Josh, and they should be.

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Speaker 3: but not big spenders right now. Ken Rosenthal, all right, everybody,

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Speaker 2: Dude, dude, dude, all right.

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Speaker 3: Love this part of the show. It's where Ken and

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Speaker 3: I give some accolades to somebody or some person or

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Speaker 3: thing or organization that did something good. Can Who is

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Speaker 3: your due of the week?

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Speaker 2: Yankees General manager Brian Cashman. Now, obviously Brian Cashman has

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Speaker 2: more money than most gms. We all understand that. But

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Speaker 2: the pivot from Soto so far has been Max Freed

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Speaker 2: for two hundred and eighteen million trade for Devin Williams,

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Speaker 2: and now the trade for Cody Bellinger in which they

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Speaker 2: took on most of his salary. These are moves that

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Speaker 2: will help the Yankees, and it showed that Cashman was

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Speaker 2: ready if he lost Sodo to do some other things,

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Speaker 2: and he's acting quickly and decisively. Now we talked about

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Speaker 2: the Mets not necessarily being that much better of a

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Speaker 2: team the Yankees. Keep in mind, they lost Soto, they

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Speaker 2: lost Clay Homes, they lost Nest Cortez Junior in the

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Speaker 2: Williams trade. They've replaced those guys, but are they better?

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure. They still need more offense. The only

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Speaker 2: offensive addition is Bellinger. But all of that said, Cashman

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Speaker 2: is not done yet. He is still going. And for

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Speaker 2: pivoting so quickly and decisively due.

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Speaker 3: To the week, yeah, I agree with you. I think

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Speaker 3: the Yankees are going to be better this year than

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Speaker 3: they were last year, if that's possible, even without the

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Speaker 3: services of one Sodo. My dude of the week is

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Speaker 3: one of our own ken It is Jason Kidness, who

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Speaker 3: does a great job with us on foul Territory, who

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Speaker 3: recently graduated from Arizona State University. He has a degree

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Speaker 3: now in liberal studies. He's also opening up a restaurant

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Speaker 3: in Miami, continuing to do a lot of great things.

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Speaker 3: Congratulations to him. He made a promise to his mom

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Speaker 3: that he was going to get his degree, and recently

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Speaker 3: on Instagram he also said it meant He found that

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Speaker 3: it meant a lot to him as well. So Jason Kidness, congratsu.

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Speaker 3: You are a graduate, a college graduate. He is my

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Speaker 3: dude of the week. Okay, time now for the John

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Speaker 3: Fisher Dork of the Week. Go ahead, Can you have

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Speaker 3: the honors?

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Speaker 2: All right? I just gave Cashman due to the but

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna give the Yankees dork of the Week for

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Speaker 2: their ridiculous facial hair policy that continues in twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: four into twenty five. And I'm not saying this on

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Speaker 2: behalf of Devin Williams who is now going to have

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Speaker 2: to shave his beard. But the Yankees only allow mustachers

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Speaker 2: for the most part. It's what they've done for years.

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Speaker 2: It's this Yankee thing. Come on, let's advance the conversation

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Speaker 2: a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Let's let these guys have hair all over their faces

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Speaker 1: and be a real team in that round.

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Speaker 3: I love it. I love it Max Freed, a freshly

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Speaker 3: shaven Max Freed. I was like, whoa, It's like, you

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Speaker 3: don't even recognize these guys. But I will say this,

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Speaker 3: I love the facts. He could have been my Dude

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Speaker 3: of the week also in addition to Jason Kipnus, because

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Speaker 3: Max Freed has a dog named Apollo Apollo Freed. I mean,

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Speaker 3: if that's not the funniest thing you've ever heard, I

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Speaker 3: don't know what is okay.

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Speaker 2: So for yesterday, it is great. As press conference was

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Speaker 2: outstanding for those who might have seen it. Go ahead, Collins, he.

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Speaker 3: Did a very nice job. I love the that the Yankees,

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Speaker 3: Aaron Boone and Brian Cashman brought Max's mom and wife

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Speaker 3: or girlfriend whatever flowers. It's like, well, look, we care

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Speaker 3: about families too, all right, my dork of the week, Ken,

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Speaker 3: I know that you saw this because you see everything. Recently,

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Speaker 3: there was a study that Major League Baseball did and

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Speaker 3: they released a sixty two page report. It's almost like

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Speaker 3: one of Scott Boris's reports on pitcher injuries that revealed

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Speaker 3: an alarming increase in the amount of eyel placements between

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Speaker 3: spring training and opening day. And I don't know if

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Speaker 3: you know this, Ken, but did you know it was

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Speaker 3: because of velocity and stuff that that's why there's an

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Speaker 3: increase in pictures injuries? Could you imagine? I don't know

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Speaker 3: how much money they spent, probably on this independent study

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Speaker 3: to find out the cause of why so many folks

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Speaker 3: are landing on the il. But I'm you know, I'm

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Speaker 3: not a Rhodes scholar, not the sharpest tool in the shed,

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Speaker 3: but I can tell you that I could have guessed

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Speaker 3: it was stuff and velocity and trying to throw a

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Speaker 3: maximum effort on every pitch. What do you think a lot?

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Speaker 2: I'm totally with you, and you're absolutely right that this

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Speaker 2: study all it did was tell us what we already knew. However,

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Speaker 2: to see it written and to see Major League Baseball

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Speaker 2: acknowledge this problem in written form publicly, that is a

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Speaker 2: necessary step. And for years, this problem has been not

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Speaker 2: talked about enough. At least now there is some thought of, Okay,

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Speaker 2: this is an issue, we have to figure out ways

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Speaker 2: to address it. There's been also talk of bringing back

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Speaker 2: the starting picture, which would be one way to address this.

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Speaker 2: If you don't have guys throwing a million miles an

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Speaker 2: hour because they're trying to get the six innings seven innings, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's the way to go. So from that perspective, I

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Speaker 2: liked the report that it was out there, but I

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Speaker 2: agree with you, we didn't exactly learn anything that revelatory.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I also do like the fact that Commissioner

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Speaker 3: Manfred was saying bringing back that starting pitcher ken as

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Speaker 3: you mentioned, because I remember when you used to look

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Speaker 2: Thanks you too, Alta