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Speaker 2: Episode four ten. This is Bear, the lead singer of

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Speaker 2: top three streaming songs from Need to Breathe. Here's Brother

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Speaker 2: with Gavin de Graw, here is Multiplied, and here is Testify.

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Speaker 2: The Caves World Tour is gonna head out with Judea

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Speaker 2: and the Lions starting August eleventh and Green Bay, Wisconsin,

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Speaker 2: September fifteenth. I am a Need to Breathe fan, Bear, Seth,

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Speaker 2: Need to Breathe got a new album coming out. You

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Speaker 2: can follow them on Instagram and TikTok at Need to Breathe.

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Speaker 2: And here we go with episode four ten. Good to

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Speaker 2: see you been a fan for a long time.

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Speaker 1: Thanks man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a different art form. I feel like

429
00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,400
Speaker 1: we've always seen it as the one thing we could control.

430
00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,040
Speaker 1: I think it was like early on when we signed

431
00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,200
Speaker 1: with Atlantic first, and it was like, you know, you're

432
00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,000
Speaker 1: gonna be the biggest thing, and then you're not. You know,

433
00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,400
Speaker 1: then you realize like, oh, we've got to figure this out.

434
00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,400
Speaker 1: The only thing we could fit we could like get

435
00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:29,800
Speaker 1: a hold of, was like, well, if we can make

436
00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,159
Speaker 1: this one hundred people, two hundred people next time and

437
00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,679
Speaker 1: then kind of keep doing that, then you actually have

438
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Speaker 1: a career. So I think we put a lot of

439
00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,160
Speaker 1: weight into I don't feel like I feel pressure about

440
00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,959
Speaker 1: the live records at all, because I really do believe

441
00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:47,000
Speaker 1: like and our fans know this, like there's not nights

442
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Speaker 1: off in terms of effort with us. There might be

443
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:51,960
Speaker 1: a night where it doesn't feel you know what I mean,

444
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,920
Speaker 1: just like anything going on. But I think in terms

445
00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,800
Speaker 1: of I'm incredibly proud of that the way how serious

446
00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,800
Speaker 1: we take it, Like we feel like every night is

447
00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,359
Speaker 1: is the night, and even the smallest ones are the

448
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:04,920
Speaker 1: most important. Hang tight.

449
00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:16,760
Speaker 3: The Bobby Cast will be right back, and we're back

450
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Speaker 3: on the Bobby Cast.

451
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Speaker 2: Did you do more than one live record? How many

452
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:21,480
Speaker 2: have you done?

453
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,440
Speaker 1: I have no idea more than two? No, I think

454
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Speaker 1: it's either two or three.

455
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well the one? Okay? Here? You ready to hear

456
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Speaker 2: my songs?

457
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:30,920
Speaker 1: Once?

458
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 2: I listened to the most sunshine heard of it? Yeah,

459
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,160
Speaker 2: what's funny because you didn't hear that? That's not keep

460
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Speaker 2: your eyes open? Ye heard of that one?

461
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:41,399
Speaker 1: Ye?

462
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,880
Speaker 2: And lay them down nice? Yeah, those are the ones

463
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Speaker 2: that I've listened to the most. What would that say

464
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:47,199
Speaker 2: about me?

465
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 1: Oh? Up, tempo positive?

466
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 2: Nothing talk says me more than that.

467
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Speaker 1: All right, up positive? I don't know any Maybe that's

468
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Speaker 1: what you need you gravitating, I think so, but I

469
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 1: do love slow.

470
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:02,520
Speaker 2: My favorite music though is slow.

471
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love slow and sad to ask me too, because.

472
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 2: I also want to know. I need you to tell

473
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 2: me how I'm feeling sometimes, and I want to feel

474
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 2: I can actually hear the words, yeah, like I can.

475
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:14,919
Speaker 2: I know melodies, but I don't really records.

476
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 1: That's what I gravitate too. I think. I think when

477
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 1: we're now, like if it were just me right at

478
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 1: my place, it would be it's going to be like

479
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 1: that pretty heavy ballot kind of stuff. But then making

480
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 1: the records, you're trying to put yourself. We do it

481
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 1: way more now than we ever have, Like we will

482
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 1: put pictures up of us playing live somewhere, like just

483
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 1: we're constantly trying to go, okay, put yourself on the moment.

484
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,120
Speaker 1: What would you want to play in front of ten

485
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,439
Speaker 1: thousand people? And then I think that gets an energy

486
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 1: level because obviously you can't have a show where it's

487
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 1: all ballads if people don't you know.

488
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Speaker 2: That's my perfect show though, I just want to go

489
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 2: and yeah, well sad show. Ever.

490
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Speaker 1: I saw with the Bonny Bear like that it was

491
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 1: so slow and quiet, and I was like I think

492
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 1: my heart rate just slowed down. Just listen to it,

493
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 1: like I'm into that. But I do think there's an

494
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 1: energy level. I love the I played football in college

495
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 1: as a small school, but like, yeah, this this like

496
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 1: sort of on tin. I don't like sports where you're

497
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 1: like have to be passive, you know. At tennis is

498
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 1: one of those where it's like, you know, if you

499
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: hit it too hard out but like so I don't

500
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: like that. I want to I want to get you're

501
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 1: an aggressive fellow, Yeah, yeah, igro when it's well, I'm quiet.

502
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 1: So when it's like when I'm doing something like that,

503
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: I want to just go full on. And the show

504
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 1: is that kind of opportunity for me to like, you know,

505
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: people both talk about like the flow state or whatever.

506
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 1: That's that's me when I can't when I forget where

507
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 1: I'm at, it's because I'm on tent. I'm going as

508
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: hard as I can go. And I love that feeling.

509
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: And so I think that's you need songs vehicles for that,

510
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So that's probably where the

511
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 1: rock thing kind of like continues to come. That's the

512
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 1: reason for it. I definitely don't think if I have

513
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: the songs that play at my funeral. They're not going

514
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: to be you know, it's not gonna be kissed, you

515
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean, It's gonna be something.

516
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Speaker 2: Uh where did you see Bonavara? Uh?

517
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: Nine thirty club in DC?

518
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Speaker 2: And so again I'm familiar. I can't say that I've

519
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 2: set and listened to a lot of his music, but

520
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 2: I when the Bonavera Grammy situation happened, I listened to

521
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 2: a lot of for a brief period of time, right, yeah,

522
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 2: and then he did some stuff of tailor and so

523
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 2: I kind of experienced that. But I can't act like

524
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan for a large period of time.

525
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 2: But his whole show is like the music that I.

526
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 1: Know, oh most beautiful thing. Like I was blown away

527
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 1: by because this is a none thirty clubs like a

528
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: thousand seed club in DC and one of the better

529
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: live clubs in America, I think. But it was like

530
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 1: like the kick drum would last a long time on

531
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Speaker 1: a song and then the next time not you know

532
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like the like that's like for

533
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 1: live sounds nerdy, but it's like that's a hard thing

534
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: to do in a live room because feedback and everything,

535
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 1: so I feel like you go to these shows, they

536
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: all sound the same in some ways, Like the band

537
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: just sounds like it kind of sounds like a track

538
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: because everything's been like notched out and everything. It wasn't

539
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: that it was like it could breathe song to song

540
00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 1: and I was like that two drummers, strings, trumpets.

541
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Speaker 2: All the brothers.

542
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

543
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: It was crazy, yeah, not messy like that. It's just

544
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 1: like they were doing different interesting things. I was. I

545
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: was blown away by and still I mean, you're trying

546
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 1: to create that situation for a fan that is personal,

547
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,719
Speaker 1: and that's still the challenge of Like I feel like

548
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 1: obviously cold Play does a good job of that now

549
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: where if like everybody gets their own light and whatever,

550
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 1: it is, like, that's the idea, that's the reason to

551
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: do it. It's like and I've always wanted to be like,

552
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: I'm really excited about this whole dome thing. Well they

553
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: don't call it a dome, the Vegas thing that you

554
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: two is.

555
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 2: Going to basketball or whatever you want to.

556
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: I'm like the idea of like, but the seats literally

557
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: shake and there's sound that comes there and they can

558
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 1: blow wind on their face. The idea of having that

559
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: just being immersed in it, I think, is what you're

560
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,360
Speaker 1: trying to do. So that's the way I felt at

561
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: that show, which is I think the reason I gravitate.

562
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: Towards them best show You've ever been to is that

563
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: we said or one of the I think so.

564
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: I think so.

565
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 2: We were just talking about this. This isn't really on

566
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: the spot because I'm not going to catch your scholarship

567
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 2: if you miss it. But you're like top three or

568
00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 2: four live shows you've been to.

569
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: I saw Springsteen at Hyde Park when he went over

570
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: and got canceled, and it was like they tried to

571
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: cut him off, the cut the speakers off, and he

572
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: kept playing for another twenty minutes for whatever fee that was.

573
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: Paul McCartney was there. It's like all I saw James

574
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: Taylor when I was sixteen first started playing guitar, and

575
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: I realized I would never be able to do that.

576
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: The Black Crows in college first rocker. I was like

577
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: into acoustic like Toad, the Wetsprocket and stuff like that

578
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: when I was in college and I went to see

579
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,959
Speaker 1: them randomly because a friend asked me, and it was

580
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: so rock and roll in like the old school way

581
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: that I went out and got electric guitar the next day.

582
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: It's like, this is this unlocked something to me? Yeah,

583
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm missing some I saw. I saw the

584
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: Food Fighters open for the Chili Pepperts.

585
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 2: Me too. First I went to the same Yeah, they

586
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: toured twice, and I went to both of those tours.

587
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 2: The first time they opened, the second time they did

588
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 2: a split headline Foo Fighters got Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I

589
00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 2: think we're the same age, and I think just the

590
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 2: music that we like and influence that's just very similar,

591
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: you know, from the artists that you're even listing here.

592
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, the Food Fighters and the Chili Pepper is

593
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: one of the greatest tours I've ever seen.

594
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Speaker 1: It was great. I mean, and like I didn't I

595
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: was a Nirvana fan, but I wouldn't say I was

596
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: like totally immersed in that culture at that time. And

597
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: so the girl thing like how big of a star

598
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: he was, and that blew me away. He's like running

599
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: around the thing. And then they did Hero and Chad

600
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: Smith and him were playing drums together. That's like, all

601
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: that stuff is incredibly formative. I saw the Chili's in

602
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: this awesome We played a NASCAR event. We were on

603
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: tour with Train. This is I don't know, eighteen years

604
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: a long time ago, and we're playing the infield of

605
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: a NASCAR event. But they Chili Peppers played to the

606
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: grandstand right before they started and there was only like

607
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 1: three hundred people between the stage, and then there was

608
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: the track behind us in the grandstand right and they

609
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: come out and do like four songs and it's four TV.

610
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: But it's like the most energy I've ever seen anyone

611
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 1: put into a show in my life. And I'm only

612
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: there with like three other people. It was I mean,

613
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: I'll never forget the way Flee came like this, just

614
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: the it was palpable, you know, just like that sort

615
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: of anyway, they got me excited for second stuff.

616
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 2: Now, I I think when you mentioned the Food Fighters

617
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 2: for me, I always I'll use the word I feel bad.

618
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: But Dave Grohl is such a monster superstar now for

619
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 2: food Fighters, for just the food Fighters. But people so

620
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: much want to talk about Nirvana with him. Yeah, when

621
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 2: by the way, he was like the fifth drummer. Sure

622
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 2: he joined right when Nevermind the album was about to

623
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 2: and he was very much a part of that three

624
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: or even four piece. If you include Pasmer, you know

625
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 2: with the band, but what he's done with Food Fighters

626
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: it's not really paralleled with American rock music in the

627
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 2: past twenty five thirty years. But because he was the

628
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: drummer in one of the most yeah influential bands of

629
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 2: a decade, he still is like the drummer of Nirvana

630
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: and the lead singer of Food Fighters, where he basically

631
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: has two Hall of Fame careers by themselves, and the

632
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: Food Fighter one might actually be No, it is bigger.

633
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: It's just I watched.

634
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: The little documentary they did the Food Fighter's thing like that.

635
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: I can't remember what it was called, but it shows

636
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: all those him playing that first tour. They're playing like

637
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 1: you know, First Have and all those kind of places,

638
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: and then people are just yelling Nirvana songs like while

639
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: he's trying to play the Food Fighter songs just to

640
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: make me feel better. I like, you know what I mean,

641
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: this guy had knew what he had and no one

642
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: else like would give him time for I say, no

643
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 1: one else, but there was still there was naysayers the

644
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,239
Speaker 1: entire time. That's comforting to me to know that, like,

645
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: you know, whether he knew it was going to be

646
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: as big as it was, Like I don't know, but

647
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: just the fact that he stayed the course through all that.

648
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: I can't imagine nothing that I'll ever face in terms

649
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: of that will be as big as that, you know

650
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: what I mean, Nothing will be as negative right in

651
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: my face as that.

652
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: When you're twenty five, let's say twenty three five, Where

653
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,239
Speaker 2: did you think this was going to get you? What

654
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: was your prediction?

655
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: But we're not, honestly, like, I don't know if I

656
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: thought we were gonna be the biggest band in the world,

657
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: but I had an incredible ambition at that time, and

658
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, very naive, and I didn't know any we like.

659
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: We came from a small town, so so there were

660
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: no other bands around us that we like. We were

661
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: making every mistake possible we didn't and and so the

662
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: good part about that was we have no comparison. For

663
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: a long time, I didn't want to move to Nashville

664
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: because of that. I felt like people would go there

665
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: and they see all these other things, and then they

666
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: feel lesser about themselves, and now it's not as confident

667
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: on the road. Now it doesn't play in the Midwest

668
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: as well. I always had that feeling. So I think

669
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: for us, like there was this ignorance that I would

670
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: have had at that time in terms of like what

671
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: was possible, and so anything was and we really like

672
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: in our little garage where we were practicing, we were like,

673
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: this is the best, this is the best music, because

674
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: anyone is making right now. So yeah, I definitely had that,

675
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: and I think I was really naive to about the

676
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: business side of of all that, like genres that we

677
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: were talking about. And when we when we released the

678
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: first record, we didn't have a Christian deal, Like, we

679
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: didn't have anything in no business on the Christian side.

680
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: When we saw with Atlantic Records, and then we because

681
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: I had grown up like going to these little bookstores

682
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: and listening to Christian music, you know, I was like

683
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: would it be cool? Like should we put that in

684
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: there for kids like us, you know, And and we

685
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: went to the Atlantic president at the time and we're like, hey,

686
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: would it be cool if we do that? He's like,

687
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: I don't care. So I mean literally it was that

688
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: simple of like. And then so we came down here

689
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: the Nashville somewhere, It's like, hey, will you put this out?

690
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: And then what happened was that first Christian single that

691
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: they put out got bigger than the second one did

692
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: first like oh wait, you know, Like so I was

693
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: just naive at the time about what we were getting into.

694
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: You know that, you know, we've learned a lot.

695
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: But I think being naive but also having huge goals,

696
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: if it's the right mix, it works awesomely. Because I

697
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: was too dumbed to know what I was doing too,

698
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: but I was smart enough to know that if I

699
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: just went really hard at it, I was going to

700
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: end up somewhere pretty good.

701
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I know.

702
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 2: What I was doing.

703
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally. I love Well, I'll see that like

704
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: I've got little kids now, it's like in the that

705
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: sort of blind you know, there's there's an awesome confidence

706
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: in that. You know that that's hard to get now.

707
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: I think it's I think I have to really consciously

708
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: get myself in a place where I'm making a record

709
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: of like not knowing what the limitations are beyond it,

710
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: or like how big could this record be?

711
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: You know?

712
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: All that stuff is really a work where I didn't

713
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: have that. I walked into the room every day it's

714
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: like we're about to make the biggest song in the world,

715
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: and you know, this feels good. This is easy. So

716
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: I feel like we're always trying to get back to

717
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: that level of you know, blind confidence, which yeah, I

718
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: do think it makes it art better.

719
00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 3: The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the

720
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 3: Bobby Cast.

721
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: How big an old boy are you?

722
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: Oh what?

723
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: How big old boy are you?

724
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: Old boy?

725
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: How big old boy are you? Yeah, I'm your aid

726
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 2: to be your big old, big old boy.

727
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: Oh I'm six six feet No, that's it. Yeah, my shrinking.

728
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: Maybe it's the boots.

729
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 2: Is that okay?

730
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Boots.

731
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 2: Maybe it's because I knew you were a college football

732
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: player and I just expected you to come in take control.

733
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

734
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're but the way one one ninety. That's

735
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: pretty good.

736
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hefty.

737
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: You still hit it pretty good. No, it's not. It's good.

738
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: Like I have to go hard all the time to

739
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: even just maintain whatever this is.

740
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: It's the opposite for me. I think I'm like, I'm

741
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: I'm pretty Uh. I love ice cream a redneck when

742
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: it comes to that stuff like I was just raised

743
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: like that, you know, pizza, bagels and all that.

744
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: Oh, I have like therapy, did not drink four three

745
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 2: letters mountain do a day? Yeah, like we sit in it, Yes.

746
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: And so that, so now I have to kind of

747
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: like I have to take my breaks with that. And

748
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: also after I got done playing football, working out was

749
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: the last thing I ever wanted to do again. I wasn't,

750
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: so I mean I was a mess. I didn't, you know,

751
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: the first ten years of our career, I wasn't. I

752
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: was skinny, but like the unhealthy soft kind of like.

753
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm skinny, but like he pushed me, and it's

754
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: like that's not loan, bro, that's like skinny. So you

755
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: played wide receiver?

756
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

757
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 2: Good? How good a high school player? Were you good?

758
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, all state or something like that.

759
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. Something it was, it was, it was,

760
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: I was. It was a time when wide receivers were

761
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: this is too football for.

762
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 2: This, but it's not.

763
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: But it was a time when wide receivers were like

764
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: six five well in Florida State and all that were

765
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: really big. Every kid was six five sixty six. So

766
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: like I got offers of D one stuff, but it

767
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: was all like Miami Ohio or Rice or Duke or

768
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, and none of those teams

769
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: were good at the time. And so that the reason

770
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: I ended up going to firm was like if I'm

771
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: gonna go to a smaller school as well go to

772
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,719
Speaker 1: a good one. I had enough sense to like, if

773
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get out of this small town, I probably

774
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: need as many resources as possible. So that's kind of

775
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: what led me there. But yeah, I think these days

776
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: I would have had to pick like I was good

777
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: enough high school player that and speed wise that like

778
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: I would have had gone anywhere I want. You think,

779
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: it's just change, It's changed totally, Like there wasn't slot

780
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 1: receiver idea.

781
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 2: You know, well you're like a high energy, high motor guy.

782
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 2: So what i'd say about white guys high motoring.

783
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, I was definitely over the middle guy,

784
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: I'll give you that. But really at the beginning, I

785
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: was like a four four guy. So I was like,

786
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,959
Speaker 1: outside speaking, you can run four four yeah, and and

787
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: uh so, and I would track. I ran track at

788
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: firm into so like I was just I was a

789
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: fast guy. Really, but just that that position didn't really

790
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 1: that you know, like Wing Crabett and all those guys

791
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: like they like opened that up. Now every receiver, every

792
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: team has a guy like that just wasn't the thing

793
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: when I was playing.

794
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: But especially like the slot yeah, you know the Edelman's.

795
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's small routes.

796
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, it's extremely valuable, but can catch.

797
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 2: But it sounds like you're faster than even those guys.

798
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: For four.

799
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play quarterback in college. Thought four four is rocket?

800
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: What can you do?

801
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: Now? Can you do four? Right now?

802
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I do not share a hamstring

803
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: about race like that. Yeah, it's embarrassing.

804
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 2: Now do you play ball at all? What do you

805
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: do recreation?

806
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: I like golf. I mean I'm getting into it. I

807
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: mean I've always been into it somewhat, but like now

808
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: I've like, you know, Ben's one of those guys. He's

809
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: always like he's annoying. Yeah, but when we toured together,

810
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: we were really competitive at the time, and and I'm

811
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 1: very proud of the the fact that, like I took

812
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: a lot of his money when he toured with us.

813
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: Then good yeah yeah, but now he would he would get.

814
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: Yeah he's really good.

815
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's annoying, it is.

816
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: And I'm like, so he's like, just we're playing, what

817
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: do you mean you just started playing? Like a play

818
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 2: I'm not as good as he's really good. Yeah, it's stupid.

819
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: Well, you start video and you're swing and all that.

820
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: It's like a different that I don't get you better.

821
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 2: I got a track man in here right an better

822
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: we went. We played a tournament at the same time.

823
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 2: It was Tomlins Chris Tomlin's charity to tournament down at.

824
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: OH four others was that Triuba door that's it.

825
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: Tribu And I did this bit at the opery when

826
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: I I was doing stand up over there and I

827
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: was talking about that and I looked at the entire

828
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: list and I was the least famous celebrity on the list.

829
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: It's a bad place to be whenever the people that

830
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 2: you're with or like, when's our celebrity getting here? And

831
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: you're the celebrity.

832
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: I've been that many.

833
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: So and I was talking about that, and I was like, man,

834
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 2: getting me at a celebrity golf tournament. It's like, you know,

835
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: going on a a safari and seeing a horse.

836
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: A horse anyway, you know.

837
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,959
Speaker 2: But I remember seeing you, seeing you were playing that too,

838
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: and could you have a name that sticks out?

839
00:36:59,040 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: Yeah?

840
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: Right, so, and then I remember seeing you warming up

841
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 2: and you look like an athlete. So I didn't want

842
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: to be your friend. I just stayed away from you. You

843
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: completely because I like to be the off in my group. Yeah,

844
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: I don't think that would be. That's the case if

845
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 2: you me and so are you a good golfer? Now

846
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 2: can you play?

847
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: I can play. I'm a nine right now. You better

848
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: than I.

849
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 2: I'm an eleven.

850
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: That's okay, that's playing. My thing is like, you want

851
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: to be able to play fast so you can play

852
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: with people. I think that's the you know what I mean.

853
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: But now I've got too many of my friends. I've

854
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: gotten good and that and that.

855
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 2: Too many your friends at too much time, and I'm

856
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 2: too competitive. Yeah, I know me too. I hate everybody.

857
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: I hate myself when to them playing golf, I hate everything,

858
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: but I keep going back. It's the one thing that

859
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 2: I want to get better at that I really don't.

860
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: I can feel like I'm getting so much better and

861
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: then I go out on a Tuesday and I'm awful.

862
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 2: I'm like, what just happens was a mental thing?

863
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? Everything for me is so team I think is

864
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: like football and then and the band thing is very

865
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: much like that that golf. For me, I like playing

866
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: myself almost the most, and it's because I'll actually celebrate

867
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: a shot when by myself. I'm quiet with other people.

868
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna be like but I'm by myself and

869
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: I hate a good one. I'm like bear, yes, I'm

870
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, I'm having a moment

871
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 1: with myself. It's like therapy to me. It's like finally

872
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: I can I can applaud myself or something. So I

873
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: do like that element of the singular. There's no one

874
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: to blame.

875
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: Do you get I'm gonna use the word flat because

876
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 2: my wife doesn't really care. But sometimes if I'm gonna

877
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: go play a quick round, it's still six hours before

878
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: i'm back.

879
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you have kids.

880
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: I don't have kids. Is it ever like yo, dude?

881
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 1: Yeah? Sometimes honestly, so this is true. Like a couple

882
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: of years ago, I went to I was at a

883
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: therapy session. He's talking to me about all kinds of

884
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 1: what do the activities you do that give you life

885
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff, and I literally is like, oh,

886
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: I've been playing golf on myself recently, and he was like,

887
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: you should do more of that. And I came home

888
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: with my wife and she was like, I'm in, you

889
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: should do more of that. So maybe he should use

890
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 1: that you know, doctor, Doctor, I said, if I'm gonna

891
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: be well good husband, this is what it takes.

892
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: So she's like, no, you wrote this, yea, trust me,

893
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 2: trust me. So the new record is coming out of September.

894
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: So Caves, I don't know, give me why Caves. Is

895
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 2: there some sort of deeper meaning about Caves?

896
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think it's more and more I

897
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 1: understand this, like because it's so cyclical, like when you're

898
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: working on a record. To me, the artist's job at least,

899
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: you know, as I see it, is that that you

900
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: go into this some sort of subconscious place when you're

901
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 1: trying to like you know, I'll use the word universe

902
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: from it of like you're just trying to like receive

903
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: and process this information and you try to stay there

904
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: longer than most people would want to. I don't buy

905
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: into the idea like you got to have a crappy

906
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: life to have to write good songs. I don't buy

907
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: into that at all. But I do buy into the

908
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: fact like when those things happen, you need to marinate longer.

909
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: And so that's what the Cave represents to me of

910
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: kind of like it's really the song is you know,

911
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: the line is coming out of the cave. That's what's

912
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 1: really about of like, Okay, we've spent this time together,

913
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 1: we process all this stuff, we put it on paper.

914
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: We don't know what it is here you go, and

915
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: now we're gonna all celebrate this together. So I think

916
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: that's where it came from. And then yeah, the record

917
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: is really interesting. Like we've always had a chip on

918
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: our shoulder, I think because of being from a small town,

919
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: all the Christian thing, all that. I feel like early

920
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: on our careers, like everywhere we went, you know, we

921
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: just had this angst about like we're about to dominate this.

922
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: You know, it just looked and I feel like this

923
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: is the first record, in my opinion, where we were

924
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: able to get out of our own way in that way.

925
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 1: Because what I look back and I go, wow, that's

926
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: I can see that sort of like ego thing dripping

927
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 1: into this song has no place there. It's not it's

928
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: not serving this song at all. And and so I

929
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: think when I hear it back, now that's what that's

930
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: the takeaway I have from the record, which of just

931
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: like there's a little bit of a freedom there. It's thankful,

932
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: which is different for a rock and say probably just

933
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: in the sense of like we get to do this,

934
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: like we get to put the stuff out into the

935
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: world and people appreciate it at whatever level that is.

936
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: I think that's probably surprising to me, after all we've

937
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: been through that, like we still have the opportunity and

938
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: the sort of creative freedom to do it.

939
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 2: Are you surprised you guys are still together?

940
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, now I can see it going a lot longer,

941
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: which is crazy, But there was, I mean ten years

942
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: in our career we had just an absolute meltdown of

943
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: all kinds for probably two to three years of just

944
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: like personal relationships are going to crap everything in the band.

945
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: It's like my brother was in the band at that

946
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: time and it was really rough and both of us

947
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: were not good humans anyway. You know, at the time,

948
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: we're just like really struggling with all kinds stuff. And

949
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: then so it was separate dressing rooms. It was there's

950
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: no encouraging word before the for the show. It's it's

951
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: it is, just get through it, whatever it takes. At

952
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 1: the same time, you have this crazy ambition driving everything

953
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: that's not feeding the yard at all. Just it's absolutely

954
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: like if we go harder, if we go harder, you know.

955
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I think it was a time

956
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: there for a while, Like I was sure it was over,

957
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: and she was like, well, we'll just play this next

958
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: tour and see how far it gets. So I'm yeah,

959
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 1: I'm surprised.

960
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,959
Speaker 2: I was talking to Kicks Brooks, who's half of Brooks

961
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: and Done. He was talking about playing a show and

962
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: him and Ronnie weren't getting along and they had just

963
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: been I mean, they're killing They had twenty number one

964
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 2: to be doing in fifteen years or so. They just

965
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 2: were not like any relationship, Like I mentioned earlier, it's

966
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: not just a band, it's my friends do a radio show.

967
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 2: It's husband white relationships. Anything has to be nurtured and

968
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: you have to go through the bad times to make

969
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 2: the good times even better. And it's a lot of survival.

970
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: And he was like, we just want to do it anymore.

971
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 2: Martle Haggard was like, hey, don't be an idiot, like

972
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 2: you see all those people here. Yeah, he was like,

973
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 2: you got to figure that crap out. And so they

974
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: broke up. Yeah, but he always remembered that and they

975
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: ended up getting back together. And I was like, man,

976
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 2: we don't even feel like we really missed a beat,

977
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: but he was like if I could tell people now,

978
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: like it's like figure it out, go away if you

979
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: need to, Yeah, get therapy for you, get therapy for

980
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 2: other people, and then but stay together because of what

981
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 2: they had with each other. And what you guys have

982
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: is so rare, regardless of the relationship and how it

983
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: is perfect, to actually find a unit that can do

984
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 2: what you've done is so rare.

985
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: I think it's easier now knowing like being able to

986
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: value that or like seeing what we have. There was

987
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: a time there where it felt like, you know, even

988
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 1: though the thing was big, there was like some other

989
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: future thing that we were trying to be that we

990
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: weren't yet. So there was always this like frustration that

991
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: I didn't I don't think I could feel back then

992
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: that I feel now. So it I mean it's part

993
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: of this aging obviously, or just like kind of getting

994
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: some perspective.

995
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 2: Do you feel like TikTok's been good for you and

996
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: not so far?

997
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: Not so far? I don't hate it. I'm I think

998
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: of it as like the new like when I think

999
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: of like the what was the Wonders movie?

1000
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: Was that like yeah the Wonders, Yeah, that thing you do.

1001
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. So like when that song plays on

1002
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: the radio and they go running out in the street,

1003
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: like our careers changed. That's happening out on TikTok, you know.

1004
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: And it not just debands like this now a coon

1005
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: thing that's happening. I feel like this kid in town,

1006
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: Stephen Sanchez, like I'm watching, I'm watching actually good artists

1007
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: be discovered that way. Yes, there's a ton of other

1008
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: crap on there too, but I do think that's incredible

1009
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: and that's going to drive art in the future. It

1010
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: just feels like to me, like a kid can go

1011
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: like it doesn't matter where I'm from. I've got a chance.

1012
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: If I got something to say and it connects, then

1013
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: this is a vehicle to get it there. So I

1014
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: don't hate it.

1015
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 2: And it doesn't matter a genre you are either know

1016
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 2: a content great example, what is he bluegrass acoustics singer songwriter?

1017
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: Yeah? Is it?

1018
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: But he's just so good?

1019
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: Great? Yeah, and and and it's just it just like

1020
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: speeds that process up so much. It's like then it

1021
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: becomes like who the label is and all that? Does

1022
00:44:58,920 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: that really matter?

1023
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1024
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: Like so but we came in. It's so like when

1025
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: it was like the beginning, and everybody's just doing dance

1026
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 1: videos and stuff, and that was like so off brand

1027
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: for us, Like even smiling was off brand really at

1028
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: the time. And I was just so the idea of like,

1029
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, just like, oh, we're gonna

1030
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: get on making cheesy video. It's gonna make it's going

1031
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,479
Speaker 1: to undermine everything we've said and done up until now.

1032
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: Now that it feels like more creative in the sense

1033
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:24,959
Speaker 1: at least we can put the music on there stuff.

1034
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't sort of mind that part. But

1035
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 1: like chasing algorithms and stuff is I mean, it's not

1036
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 1: for me, actually, you know that's really that's it's definitely

1037
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: somebody else's job. I can't.

1038
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, And I think the people that ended

1039
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: up setting the algorithms are the ones that don't chase them.

1040
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: Right.

1041
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: But when I think of you guys as music, I

1042
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: can just see a lot of people finding you guys

1043
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: and enjoying it with no expectation because you're just swiping.

1044
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: I mean, there's an artist that I love, Jackie Vinson's

1045
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: a blues artist from Austin, Texas, and I just I

1046
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: watch a videos. I'm just I'm just blown away, right, Yeah,

1047
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 2: I would have probably not discovered her other than it's

1048
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 2: kind of like the other music that I listened to, Yeah,

1049
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 2: and I didn't have to know much about her to

1050
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 2: enjoy what she does. And I can feel that with

1051
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: a lot of artists where it doesn't matter if you

1052
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 2: know what kind of music they're doing. What does that

1053
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: even mean? What kind of music they're doing? Yeah, it's

1054
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 2: just a place where if sonically it kind of fits

1055
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: into what you already liked. I could see you guys

1056
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: like really really thriving in that space to people who like,

1057
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 2: I don't know how to how to explain your music,

1058
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 2: but like really authentic instrument based yeah, strong vocals type stuff.

1059
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's I mean, I think that's we're

1060
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: trying to learn the language now. It's like when we

1061
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: first got into it, there was you know, you get

1062
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: these partners to help you do it, and it's like

1063
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: now you're doing exactly like some other artists did it

1064
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: as a work, and so it's the same way your

1065
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: live show is or the records are or whatever. You're

1066
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: trying to get a voice on there. And I think

1067
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: for us that's probably the period of time we're in

1068
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: where we're kind of like beating up the people that

1069
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: work with us on it to go, like, dude, if

1070
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: we're going to do a good acoustic version, put us

1071
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: somewhere good, and don't you don't need to record this

1072
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: ninety seven times to get the good Let's just get

1073
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: one great take of it that'll take five minutes. Let's

1074
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 1: put that up like that. So I think that's yeah,

1075
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: we're just struggling with that a little bit, but we're

1076
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: certainly using it more and thinking of it more as

1077
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: an outlet than we ever have.

1078
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 2: This record you did in two phases in my right,

1079
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: One yeah, Utah, the other yeah Minnesota.

1080
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1081
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: Well why Honestly.

1082
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: The I just had a buddy who had a house

1083
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: in Utah, and I want we wanted to do a mountainhouse,

1084
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: somewhere we could get away, we wouldn't see people, and

1085
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: and it ended up being the perfect We were trying

1086
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 1: to do demos, we weren't trying to make the record.

1087
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: We we'd like take a makeshift studio in there, and

1088
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: then we got back We're like, this actually sounds really great.

1089
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: We should build on this. And then the Minnesota thing

1090
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: we went Actually Nirvana had made a record there. The

1091
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: package was a studio, but we wanted a place where

1092
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: we could stay. So there's a house next to the studio.

1093
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: It could just like you know, get away. We end

1094
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: up working on the record for a year and a half,

1095
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: so it's not like all happens in those ten days,

1096
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: just the bulk of the recording does. But I think

1097
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: the I think trying to let everybody have a voice

1098
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: in there is incredibly important to a band. That's what

1099
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: makes it a band. I always was like, it las up,

1100
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: one's not good if one of those guys not in it.

1101
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: That's the way good bands ought to be. If you

1102
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 1: look at a band, you go, oh, let's yeah, I'll

1103
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 1: take a leave two of those guys, what really is it?

1104
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: And so and I think getting to a place where

1105
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: we can not have a credit based situation, you know,

1106
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: that's hard with bands, that's you know, the easiest thing

1107
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: to do is like, well I wrote that part I

1108
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: got It's like, now, I don't know on this record,

1109
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: whose idea? What was you know? I'm writing most of

1110
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: the songs bring them into the band. But other than that,

1111
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: in terms of the production, everything it's really really organic.

1112
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: So we're putt like we're writing bass parts with the

1113
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 1: bass players, and there's no walls. Black people aren't showing

1114
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: up in different days and all that, which is just

1115
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: a healthy place to be, I think, and makes the

1116
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: best makes the best thing.

1117
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 3: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

1118
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Bobby Cast.

1119
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Speaker 2: Do you ever worry about writing the same song or

1120
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 2: doing the same album twice accidentally? But it's just so similar?

1121
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really don't. I would say this because I'm

1122
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: not great with melody, which sounds weird to say. It's

1123
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: like people are like, you know, But the truth is,

1124
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: I'm not someone I always had a part time when

1125
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: they hit the piano, it's like sing this note. I

1126
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: was always like kind of finding it a little bit.

1127
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: So I don't have that sort of memory of melody

1128
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: as well on other people's songs. I've never I never

1129
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: did a lot of covers, like it's always takes me

1130
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: a second to get a cover in my brain and

1131
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: operate it.

1132
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 2: But even your music twice like you yeah?

1133
00:49:58,600 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: Like now that.

1134
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 2: I mean, that's mostly what I'm asking more than accidentally

1135
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 2: writing anybody else's song. Are you like I feel this way?

1136
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 2: And I felt this way five years ago. I just

1137
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 2: want to write the same exact thing about me feeling

1138
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 2: this way.

1139
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably, but I don't really. The thing

1140
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: about it is, it's like you find out, like just

1141
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: like you brought up your three favorite songs, like that

1142
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't be like our three most popular songs. So it's

1143
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: really hard to see when a song is going to impact.

1144
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 1: I think if it's worth writing that day, it's worth writing.

1145
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: I do think in terms of I've been surprised and

1146
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: blown away by how something little will feel fresh to

1147
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: me about the thing. It's like I want to write

1148
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: a verse where there's a little more spacing between the phrases.

1149
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: That's it, Like, there's no that's how simple the idea is.

1150
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: That gets me going that day, and then it becomes

1151
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: this other thing that's never stopped. First summer I can write,

1152
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 1: I mean during COVID, I think I wrote like eighty

1153
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: songs in a year, just like every day, just pumping

1154
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: out by myself, and every single day, within twenty minutes

1155
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 1: there's like a new angled to something that I feel

1156
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: like I've never done before. At least that's what it

1157
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: feels to me. And maybe that's just because I'm not

1158
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: a good you know, like I'm I'm really thankful that

1159
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm not so good of a musician, Like you know,

1160
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: is there some guys that just hear that, Oh that's

1161
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: the same progression from that song. That's and that's knowing

1162
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: way too much to me because I wanted to feel

1163
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: new to me when I did it. And if later

1164
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: somebody says it's that, I'm like, so what to me?

1165
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: When I was making it felt it felt really fresh?

1166
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 2: Well, so how did the music thing happen with you?

1167
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: Be?

1168
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 2: Like, for example, like a Sam and I'm gonna lump

1169
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 2: unfairly all you football players that I'm jealous of and

1170
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 2: that are big, muscular and cool in one group, like Sam,

1171
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 2: chase yourself, we keep going forever. There's a lot of

1172
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 2: athletes that turned Jake who wasn't football, but Jake Owen's

1173
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 2: a really good friend of mine who was a golf Yeah,

1174
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: they all got hurt and they were like, I guess

1175
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 2: I'll do guitar and next thing you know, they're a star. Yeah,

1176
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: where did the music come? In your version of this story?

1177
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: It was always going, which is I say a sixteen

1178
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: I started playing guitar and writing songs. I started writing

1179
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: right away, and when I went to college, luckily there

1180
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: had been a guy on our football team on that

1181
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: same team that played music before me. They kind of

1182
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: loosened up the coaches to the idea that like, maybe

1183
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: that's the thing, and they gave me lots of like

1184
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: you used to call me Sunshine from remember the Titans.

1185
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, is that right with such on Ryan

1186
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: Gosling or another blond kid that looked like I think

1187
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: it's a different blonde kid.

1188
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: I just love Gosling. He's everything to me.

1189
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: I have not Actually it's perfect that too, But so

1190
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: I think that they like gave me a hard time.

1191
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: But I was playing probably fifty sixty shows a year

1192
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: when when I was playing college school. So I would

1193
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 1: get picked up. We would do all the off season,

1194
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 1: we would practice and I would drive forty five minutes

1195
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: of this prehearsal space for ad we did. I would

1196
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: get picked up after a game on a Saturday afternoon.

1197
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: Instead of riding the bus home of the team, they

1198
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: would let me get in the van with the band

1199
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: and go play.

1200
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: That's a big deal. I mean I don't know a

1201
00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: lot of coaches.

1202
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 1: Yeah it's not. Yeah, totally. It was a real and

1203
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: and they liked it, and I would like play for

1204
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: the team occasionally and all that, So yeah, it was

1205
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: always alongside it. I think I knew by the time

1206
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: I got to college, I knew that music was it,

1207
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: like that was my thing. But I loved playing foot

1208
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: I still love watching it and all that, but I

1209
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: knew that's where I was headed, and it made it

1210
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: easier of a decision. Like whenever I got done with college,

1211
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: all these agents started calling. You know, it's like, you know,

1212
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna work out for this team, You're gonna do this,

1213
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, And I was. I was so beat up.

1214
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I was not. The thought of doing another

1215
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: year of that was like, I mean I was. I

1216
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: couldn't even imagine, like I would have sucked, you know,

1217
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: It's like there's no way. So that made it an

1218
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: easier decision. But I think I knew in the back

1219
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: of my mind anyway, it's like, as soon as this is,

1220
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: as soon as this chapter is over, music is it.

1221
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 2: Did you put that competitive drive because obviously your body's hurting,

1222
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: like you said, or just worn out, you know, playing

1223
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 2: football that long at that level. Do you take that

1224
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 2: competitive drive and just go now it's in music, yes,

1225
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 2: I'll put it here.

1226
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and really good and bad ways, like you know,

1227
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: it's still great. Like I feel like in the show,

1228
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: like we I feel like we go hard and I

1229
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: feel like I just I come off the same way

1230
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: aftergat like the same. I feel like that after a show.

1231
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: I just feel like there's just a physicality to it.

1232
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: But the the like I used to make the band

1233
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: watch tape like we first got to go.

1234
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 2: On and you imagine like that's funny.

1235
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean seriously, it was like see that bong

1236
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: goes so that sucks, you know, like it was very

1237
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: like you know, and but it would put these guys

1238
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: on the spot like wait, I just you know, like

1239
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: we made twenty bucks, like what are we doing here?

1240
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: So we wanted to wait too?

1241
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: Seriously funny as it is like you're driven to get better. Yeah,

1242
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: And I think that's the thing, like it just art

1243
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: obviously is a different thing. So there's a there's a

1244
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: care and sort of you know time it takes to

1245
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: do it that you don't you know, get to explore football.

1246
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: But so yeah, good and bad, there's that I had

1247
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 1: to learn those lessons early on about like when to

1248
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: push and when not to. But I would say that

1249
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: we definitely have that mentality when it comes to rehearsals

1250
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: and shows and all that. Just we're carrying a lot

1251
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: of that in.

1252
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 2: There my head. I played football too, probably better than

1253
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 2: you were, but anyway, I wash my our football coach.

1254
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 2: He finally discovered he could take a marker and actually

1255
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 2: ride on the TV, and so he draw it the

1256
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,479
Speaker 2: first time. He was like, discover the new world because

1257
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: he did it, and he was like, oh guy wiped

1258
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 2: it off.

1259
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: He was like, oh, now we have a weapon.

1260
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 2: It was the worst because, for example, I played wide

1261
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 2: receiver and let's say I missed like a cracked back block, right, Yeah, okay,

1262
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 2: so I'm supposed to take the linebacker out. Fine, I

1263
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 2: missed the block. So he'd go, he'd circle me on

1264
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 2: the screen, draw the arrow. Why didn't you do it?

1265
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 2: Rewind it? You're doing it again. Rewind it. You know

1266
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 2: you're showing the same playover again. Yeah, yeah, I'm doing

1267
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 2: it again, Like freaking relax.

1268
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had he was intents in college. I remember

1269
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: that we had the whole team on Sundays after a

1270
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: game get in a film room, and they would do

1271
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: special team stuff. And that's where like that separates me

1272
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: boys like running down a kickoff from that kind of

1273
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: thing that is bad news. It's and if you avoid

1274
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 1: a collision for some reason or missed the block or whatever.

1275
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: So he had a laser pointer, you know, he would

1276
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: do that and they would make that guy stand up right.

1277
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: The whole team's in there, ninety guys in there, and

1278
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: he would be like, do you think you're earning your scholarship?

1279
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: Do you you are better than this? Don't you think?

1280
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: Do you think you're better than this? Do you think

1281
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: you're worth standing? But that kind of like he would

1282
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: just give it, and uh, I'll never forget that.

1283
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 2: Is disciplined part that you were talking about too. You say,

1284
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 2: are you handle it differently? Sure, but some aret is

1285
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 2: not disciplined. And I think I was able to bring

1286
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 2: a lot of discipline from me playing sports into a

1287
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 2: creative field where maybe I my touch I wasn't as

1288
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 2: general at times, right, but I definitely even though I

1289
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 2: was a little too rigid, I definitely had discipline, right,

1290
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 2: So I got the benefit.

1291
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: Like you're saying, it comes down to to me, it

1292
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: comes down to ownership. Like there's just I mean, that's

1293
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: culturally not very like a thing right now, because it

1294
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: seems like but that's that's I was always like with them, dude,

1295
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: if you make a mistake in there going full speed

1296
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,919
Speaker 1: and it's not mental, I don't, We're not. No one's

1297
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: gonna be like that's not that's it. But come back

1298
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: and be like I blew it. Here's why it won't

1299
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: happen again.

1300
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 3: You know.

1301
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: It's like we have that sort of culture where guys

1302
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: like feel like I can lean on. We're all going

1303
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: out here together. And if it's the same, I would

1304
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: tell the crew guys that all the time, like this

1305
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: is such an important thing that we do because in

1306
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: that night, nobody knows you played the night before. They

1307
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: don't know that this is a small shy all that

1308
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: kind of But if we all go out there, spend

1309
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: all this money, the buses go there, then the MIC's

1310
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: not plugged in, you know. It's that's where it's owners,

1311
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: own your job, do your thing, and and yeah, so

1312
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: I think it's it's definitely beneficial if you can do

1313
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: it in a you know, in a gracious way, in

1314
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: that way where it's like I'm not browbeating dudes because

1315
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: they're because you make mistakes and shows like that's the

1316
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: way they would laugh about it. But it's if it's

1317
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: a mental thing or or lack of preparation, then I've

1318
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: got problems.

1319
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 2: I would agree. I think the same thing with with

1320
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 2: my crew. But I wasn't good at dropping a ball

1321
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 2: and then forget about it. Took me a couple of plays.

1322
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 2: Could you go? Could you turn the page quick?

1323
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: Uh? No? I still I think I could. I could

1324
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: play through it. But I still when I wake up

1325
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: when I think about college that mostly I think about that,

1326
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: I think about the two or three plays I wish

1327
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: i'd back.

1328
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 2: It's almost like social media, too, where we only look

1329
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 2: at the two or three really negative comments instead of

1330
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 2: the five hundred awesome ones because I'm guilty of that

1331
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 2: going just instead of allowing the love, which I shouldn't

1332
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 2: really invest. I don't look at comments a lot. I

1333
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 2: do occasionally, but it's the same thing.

1334
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: Let rip your heart out. I remember the bad ones, and.

1335
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 2: I should either look at it objectively and go, let's

1336
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 2: look at the percentage of how I should feel right now.

1337
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 2: If the percentage has I sucked, then I should really

1338
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 2: feel that way, but I don't in the same way

1339
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 2: that you just said. You still think back up mostly

1340
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 2: about that, Yeah, what does that have to say about

1341
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 2: us as people?

1342
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,919
Speaker 1: M I don't, you know, like I don't that part

1343
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: obviously because I don't have to play football anymore. It

1344
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: does it. It's not one of those things like really

1345
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: I feel like lives with me in a bad way.

1346
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: So those those those really will hurt for a bit.

1347
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: And I have to almost not do it at all,

1348
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: I mean, because inevitably it's just it's just it's what

1349
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: what taught me this even more, it's like so during

1350
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: the COVID thing, we we had one of the first

1351
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: tours after that, and the thing like sells great because

1352
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: that's all this anticipation, not like now when everybody's out

1353
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: at the same time. This was like a windows the

1354
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: first time we played Bridgetone, like I was like this

1355
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: is and and we was reading other comments and it

1356
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: was all about mass no masks, mandates in the city,

1357
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: that's it, and it's just like getting slammed. How could

1358
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: they possibly they say they're this. It was just terrible.

1359
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: And then I would play the show and be like

1360
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: if I hadn't read that I'd have the zero clue

1361
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: that exists. It's such a small percentage of the people

1362
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: out there. So I think that was freeing to me

1363
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: after that experience of like because I was really going

1364
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: to that tour just every night just feeling the sort

1365
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: of crazy waight about how we made the right decisions.

1366
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: She'll we out here, should we be doing some making

1367
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: some sort of stance you know that, Like, no, we

1368
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: should be playing because that's what we do. Like it's

1369
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: given as many people opportunity to see as can. You know.

1370
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, that helps I feel like I've taken that

1371
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: into this into consideration at least as we're doing now.

1372
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: Helps kind of take the sting out of it.

1373
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 2: Last thing I'll say about this, there's a you know

1374
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 2: he talked he's the sports talk guy TV and radio

1375
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 2: names is Nick, right, And he talks about how he

1376
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 2: doesn't go look at comments anymore because he doesn't want

1377
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 2: to go and feel worse or feel bad for no reason,

1378
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 2: because that's the only place he goes where people telling

1379
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 2: me sucks is right online, Like he can look at

1380
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 2: every other element of his life. People are not at

1381
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 2: the airport, right, Yeah, he said, the only time you

1382
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 2: ever feel like lesser than is if I go searching

1383
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 2: into the comments, he said, So I just don't do

1384
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 2: it because there's no benefit for me there, because I'm

1385
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 2: not going, hey, I'm asking a question, Please give me

1386
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: constructive criticism on this, he says, there's nothing constructive there,

1387
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 2: So I stay away from it because it's just not

1388
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 2: healthy for me. Yeah, and the only place that makes

1389
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 2: me feel worse is in that in that section.

1390
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that, I mean, I think that it's easy.

1391
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: I can't remember the cause I heard a quote the

1392
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: other day about about the idea of like it's easier

1393
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: to buy this sort of to get into the bitterness

1394
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: and buy this dark story, which it really isn't a

1395
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: dark story, you know, like that's just that's not what

1396
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: we're living. For some reason, we attached to that part.

1397
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: And I have the saying, I don't know, you do

1398
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: like the good compliments don't help. I agree. When I

1399
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: look at those, I'm like, yeah, yep, that's a yes,

1400
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: that's a yes. That's like expectation already. So now the

1401
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: first one that actually does anything triggers me at all

1402
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: is the negative one.

1403
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 2: That's a good point too.

1404
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:41,919
Speaker 1: Mike, am I really walking away from this feeling great

1405
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: about how everybody loves the record. When they say that, I.

1406
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 2: Don't even take compass from my wife very well, because

1407
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 2: I feel like, why are you telling me this?

1408
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't.

1409
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 2: My wife does not think I'm that funny. I think

1410
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 2: she did, but now she's with me all the time,

1411
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 2: and I think she's she's seen the Dog and Pony

1412
01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 2: Show the times, so it's just not that funny to

1413
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 2: her anymore. Yeah, well, she's still so funny to me,

1414
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 2: and it's annoying in your relationship. Does your wife still

1415
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 2: like to hear you sing?

1416
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: I think so. I think so, But it's definitely but

1417
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: going back and forth, I've probably written her like twenty

1418
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: love songs over my career, you know, Like I mean

1419
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: literally just every year or two. You're like, I'm gonna

1420
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: try to gain and there's nothing worse than like, you know,

1421
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: I'm always playing it to her when she's distracted. I

1422
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: just wrote it. Now, she's like putting her makeup on

1423
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: the bathroom or whatever. I'm like, what do you think

1424
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: about this? She's like, I don't know. Could you just

1425
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: play to me later?

1426
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 3: Like?

1427
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: Is that? So? There is an element which I appreciate

1428
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: that level of like coming home, and she's been more

1429
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: disciplined about which her whole thing now is like she

1430
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: only listened to it when the record's done. She's like,

1431
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,439
Speaker 1: no demos, I don't want any of that. Don't tell

1432
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: me because then I'm just gonna be pissed that it

1433
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like that on the record or whatever.

1434
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 2: She gets demois for you.

1435
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, she found some like so now now she

1436
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 1: really it's really refreshing to me when we do put

1437
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: a record. When I hand her the like sort of

1438
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: finished copy, she spends time with it way more than me,

1439
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: and she's incredibly encouraging about it, which is awesome to

1440
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: like see what a real fans experience is of that.

1441
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, she doesn't think. We did interview recently together

1442
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: and she was like she we left, she was like,

1443
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: it's so weird that they think you're cool. She's like

1444
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: the way they're talking about she like like you're interesting

1445
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 1: or something.

1446
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 2: So that's final three questions. I'm just staying on this.

1447
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 2: What I do really like about my wife is that

1448
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 2: she I know what she's going to give me is

1449
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 2: always her truth. So as much as I'm like, she

1450
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 2: doesn't think I'm funny. I think she thinks I'm funny,

1451
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 2: but I got to really impress her to get impressive

1452
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 2: results from her and is sometimes irritating as that can

1453
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,919
Speaker 2: be to me, that's what I want, Like I really

1454
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 2: want that because I don't want her, Oh that's really

1455
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 2: good when she thinks, actually not that good. Like I

1456
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 2: need somebody to be that person. Yeah, it got to

1457
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 2: mean something that I can go to and if they

1458
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 2: say it's good, I believe that it's good. And I

1459
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 2: think my wife is that It sounds like over the

1460
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 2: relationship yours is the same line.

1461
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: I think we help. It's I mean, this is a

1462
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: weird way to say it, probably, but it helps. You

1463
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 1: need you need to find the things like for me,

1464
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: like what I like about a performance is not what

1465
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: she likes about it, and it's important for me to

1466
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: really get that in my mind. Like I need to

1467
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: feel success about Like one Off's really hard for me

1468
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: because my voice is so loud and I don't talk loud.

1469
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: It's like next, so I've got to really ramp up

1470
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: is sing a whole. So if I go to a

1471
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: one off show, I feel like a million dollars. If

1472
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: I gave a great performance and it was like, really,

1473
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: but that's not something that she's gonna care about. So

1474
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: I have to really like almost delineate those and go like,

1475
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: here's the things for me that I feel really proud of.

1476
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 1: They are the hardest work and I know why. And

1477
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 1: then I kind of have to so some of those

1478
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: other things, like like an album, like hey, what do

1479
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: you about this out, like what do you think that?

1480
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: I can kind of like reserve that for her. It

1481
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: helps balance out so I'm not looking for her then

1482
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: now to like say, hey, that was so good I

1483
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: you did that one off show that I've seen a

1484
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: million times, you know what I mean. I've got to

1485
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: like celebrate my own sort of victories in there.

1486
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 2: Question two of three. I don't know you're gonna put

1487
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 2: any music out, and I know we talked about genres,

1488
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 2: but will you target anything toward any traditional genre based

1489
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 2: that's not Christian?

1490
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: Probably it's gonna be mister remains to be seen a

1491
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: little bit. But I think we put a couple of

1492
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: country artists on the record, and that's because there was

1493
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: a time, like, you know a few years ago, I

1494
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 1: was looking at like the Coachella lineup and then like let's, uh,

1495
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: tele blanking on the name Stage Coach. I was like,

1496
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 1: we would much rather play Stage Coach than Coachella. Like

1497
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: it just doesn't that doesn't even. So I was like,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't make a lot of sense. We moved and

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01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: when I moved here five years ago, all these country

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01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: artists came out of the woodwork of like, hey, I'm

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01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: a big fan of the band, and that blew me

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01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: away because I did not. I was not aware of

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01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: that at all. So I think the idea of us,

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01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: like I don't know that we'll go to like country

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01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: radio with a song, but the idea that that genre

1506
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: is very wide open and so constantly changing. I feel

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01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 1: like so much of that Zach Ryan stuff, all that

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01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 1: like really singer songwriter stuff that's like somehow in the

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01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 1: country world now is open to us. So yeah, I

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01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 1: think I think that's an idea we had carry on

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01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: the last.

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01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 2: Record Old Dominion Carly Pearce around this record. Yeah, yeah,

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01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 2: I mean there's a that's not completely sonically and at

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01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 2: least not vocally, but I mean, you guys an Old

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01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 2: Dominion to me have similar Yeah.

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01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 1: We met them doing Alman Brothers cover thing in New York.

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01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: That's and so I didn't and they were fans of

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01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: the band before. I didn't know that, but a similar

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01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: kind of like this is a band, man, it's like

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01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 1: a vibe.

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01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 2: You say, vibe. It's just you guys have similar vibes

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01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 2: and you're all individually extremely talented, but then collectively it's

1523
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 2: like the sum is greater than the parts that were

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01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 2: already great. Yeah, with both groups.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So.

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Speaker 2: All right, last question here. And you didn't want to

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01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 2: come to Nashville for a long time. What's up with

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01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 2: you in Nashville now? You like it? I struggle at times, Yeah,

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01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 2: but what do you think of the city?

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01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's so it's a complicated answer, but I

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01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: love I love being here. I love living here. Family

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01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: loves it here. That was a tough move. We moved

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01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: from Charleston and my wife was like, what are we

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01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: Why are we leaving the ocean? You know, but I've

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01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 1: really felt like a definitely a better community than I

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01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: ever had there, and some of my friends I've probably

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01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 1: already lived here. You know, that was easy. The ease

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01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: of like traveling has been easier. It's really interesting to me, like,

1539
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, the Broadway scene is not my scene obviously,

1540
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 1: so there's certain parts of the pockets of the city.

1541
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: You know, even how how like staunchly conservative is at

1542
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 1: times that's a little like I'm like, that's abrasive to me.

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01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: But what's been surprising, I think is that when I started,

1544
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: I signed a publishing dowh. I first came here because

1545
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: I like write some songs for other people, and I

1546
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 1: was like getting in these writing rooms and realizing how

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01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: soulful the writers were. That was surprising to me. Like

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01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: meeting like a Natalie Hemby, I was like, I can

1549
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 1: actually give her a piece, like I can I can

1550
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 1: bring this in and trust that she's gonna And so

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01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 1: I found more and more and more of those people

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01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 1: here and that's really surprising and fun. And then the

1553
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 1: you put in the fact that it's like the talent

1554
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: level on the hustle is cool to me because Charleston

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01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: and me South in general was like very much like, well,

1556
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 1: go here for vacation. It's really it's a brunch spot.

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01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 1: You know. It's like the fact that you can run

1558
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 1: into people that are just really trying to make it

1559
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: all the time and they've got a million things going.

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01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 1: That's exciting for me. That's definitely where I want to

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01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 1: be you know at this point in my life.

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01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 2: Well, look at us, a Christian ar is in a DJ,

1563
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 2: just chopping it up both ways. Slap anybody who says

1564
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 2: that about it. A big fan, really big fan.

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01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: Thanks.

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01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 2: I'm really looking forward to the album September fifteenth, and

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01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 2: I think you are you guys playing the show? Are

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01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 2: you guys going to play the show? Do we know that?

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01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 1: I don't know. I heard that that's possible.

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01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 2: I heard that's possible too. I guess you and I

1571
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 2: are like that. Somebody said possible.

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01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 1: I don't know.

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01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, a big fan. And are you are you

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01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 2: guys playing in Nashville at all?

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01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: Yeah? Bridge Stone, I wish you.

1576
01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 2: Knew that you are doing to Nashville shot to date.

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01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 1: Yeah that's cool.

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01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 2: Well I will act like I'm gonna come Okay, Yeah,

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01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 2: I don't know it. Now I've you guys are awesome live,

1580
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 2: and that's probably why I'm drawing so much to the

1581
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 2: live out. It's all coming to me now I've seen

1582
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 2: you live, so I think that's why I'm drawn to

1583
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 2: the live album so much. Yeah, I had breakthrough right

1584
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 2: here at therapy moment. I hear about need to breathe.

1585
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 2: You guys check out need to Breathe. It's just as

1586
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 2: they spell their band on Instagram and TikTok need to breathe.

1587
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 2: And if somebody spells it in lowercase, do you also

1588
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 2: want to punch them?

1589
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 1: No, that was a total marketing move. At the beginning,

1590
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: we thought it looked better and then we realized that

1591
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 1: on a festival lineup it would show up biggest still does. Yeah,

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01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: it was brilliant.

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01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 2: Very good to talk to you man too.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production