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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons is balling, Bring it on, Bring it on.

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Speaker 1: Slim the ground by Buda Baker like a torpedo. He

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Speaker 1: came flying into the backfield, pink skirt and nobody here's

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Speaker 1: Paul caldc. You know, we can probably argue whether a

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Speaker 1: team takes on the identity of its head coach, right

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Speaker 1: that age, old adage, but I don't think they need

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Speaker 1: to dispute that as a recently Cardinals Underground has really

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Speaker 1: taken on the identity of Danny Serek and some of

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Speaker 1: the other things that have gone on, and whether it

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Speaker 1: was last week where's this going? Just you nearly took

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Speaker 1: It's always something we I mean, Danny sort of her

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Speaker 1: a comment or an insult. Not sure, there's just I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to figure it out on the fly. Actually I

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Speaker 1: like that figure it out on the fly exactly. I mean,

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Speaker 1: It's not like your exempt, Darren. She just made a

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Speaker 1: comment about your attire. You know, everything that goes on

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Speaker 1: here gets filtered through Danny somehow someway like what you

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Speaker 1: wore to work. I complimented Darren, he's wearing a green

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Speaker 1: long sleeved shirt, and I think that a compliment. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: light never came out of your mouth. You said, have

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Speaker 1: you ever is that a new shirt? I've never seen

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Speaker 1: you wear that before. We spend too much time together.

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Speaker 1: Were so now I'm screwed up. I said the vibes

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Speaker 1: were off because Marvel, you're in Cardinals gear, are right?

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Speaker 1: I do like the green. It's just really throwing me off.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I didn't realize that I took over this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Apparently what happened, well, we're trying to plan on the

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Speaker 1: announcement of a new Cardinal's head coach, and it was

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Speaker 1: surmised by our own Jim Almahundro fine executive producer around here,

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Speaker 1: that it will only happen on one of the two

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Speaker 1: or so. Once again, just going through the prism that

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Speaker 1: is Danny Serek yours truly merely poly podcast over here,

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Speaker 1: Darren Urban over there, it is Cardinals Underground and off

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Speaker 1: we go here as maybe just maybe the most recent

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Speaker 1: and latest news as of this recording that dan Quinn

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Speaker 1: and Stephen Jones have canceled their radio appearances. Unlike us,

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Speaker 1: they know they're not going to go in front of

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Speaker 1: trying to retain the services of dan Quinn who was

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Speaker 1: in demand as already interviewed in other spots. So as

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Speaker 1: we do the whole musical chairs of coaches and coaching

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Speaker 1: candidates and available openings five and all, Darren, where do

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Speaker 1: you start? Where? Is your mind start right now in

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Speaker 1: the idea that Dan Quinn could be getting this second interview.

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Speaker 1: Although you know, again, how much of the first interview

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Speaker 1: doesn't have head coaching experience, but he appears to be

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Speaker 1: the next superstar. Like if there's a thirty eight year

428
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Speaker 1: old without any head coaching experience, who could be? It

429
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Speaker 1: could be that guy all that it could be Damiko

430
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Speaker 1: Ryan's And maybe that fits. If if Brian Flores is

431
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Speaker 1: their guy, and you're saying he doesn't necessarily have leverage,

432
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Speaker 1: maybe that means the Cardinals have the time, They have

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Speaker 1: the luxury of time to wait it out a week. Agreed,

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Speaker 1: You're right, I mean who else is offering Brian Flores

435
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Speaker 1: a head coaching gig. Who else is offering Frank Reich

436
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Speaker 1: a head coaching gig? No one. Dan Quinn has the

437
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Speaker 1: Broncos theoretically, but if the Broncos announced tomorrow with Sean Payton,

438
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: guess what, dan Quayten's not talking here Thursday. He's not

439
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Speaker 1: only not here, but that doesn't leave dan Quinn with

440
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Speaker 1: a lot of options after that. So to answer your question,

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Speaker 1: do we expect an announcement this week? No, because I

442
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Speaker 1: don't think you have to make a decision this week.

443
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Speaker 1: And if you don't have to, why especially if you

444
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Speaker 1: can connect with Demiko Ryan's next week. Again, it all

445
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Speaker 1: comes down to which we're We don't really know, which

446
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Speaker 1: is who they all things being equal, who they really

447
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Speaker 1: kind of favor, and we just don't know that, and

448
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Speaker 1: we're not going to know that until they make a

449
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Speaker 1: higher and even then we don't necessarily know one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent for sure. So we think we know the assistant

451
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Speaker 1: GM is Dave Sears, right, it is an officially officially

452
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Speaker 1: official but based on the fact that the assistant to

453
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Speaker 1: the owner of the Detroit Lions confirmed it on the air,

454
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Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of interesting. Chris Spielman I'm

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Speaker 1: guessing Dave Sears is indeed the assistant GM for the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals in a newly created title at the very

457
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Speaker 1: least well in that that makes me go back to

458
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Speaker 1: thinking about Vance Joseph. If you're going to go out

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Speaker 1: of house for a GM and an assistant GM, my

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Speaker 1: gut would tell me you're probably going to do the

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Speaker 1: same when it comes to your new head coach. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I could see that. I could absolutely see that. The

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Speaker 1: only thing I would say advanced Joseph's favor is that

464
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Speaker 1: he obviously has inside knowledge of maybe what needs to

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Speaker 1: be fixed. I'm just putting myself into the interview room somewhere.

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Speaker 1: You know. Look, my key pass doesn't get me into

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Speaker 1: the war room, and it'll never get me into the

468
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Speaker 1: interview room when it comes to a head coach. But

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Speaker 1: if you're interviewing head coaching candidates, I'm guessing the conversation

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Speaker 1: with Advance Joseph was at a very advanced level as

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Speaker 1: to what's wrong and what needs to be fixed. I'm

472
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Speaker 1: naming names. I've got power points with names up there.

473
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Speaker 1: Here's who stays, Here's who goes, Here's part of the solution.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I would do based on four years of

475
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Speaker 1: watching this with a front row seat. He has the

476
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Speaker 1: advantage there, absolutely well, he had the advantage there. But

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Speaker 1: if he assuming that that was the big part of

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Speaker 1: the conversation when he was doing the interview, that information

479
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Speaker 1: is now Michael Bidwell's and Massiasa Mossie Monte Austin forts

480
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Speaker 1: now as well. That's true. And look, let's let's not

481
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Speaker 1: be naive. A lot of these interviews are conducted for

482
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Speaker 1: information gathering purposes, which is why the Sean Payton thing

483
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Speaker 1: could be interesting. Like you who was the Niners candidate

484
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Speaker 1: who pulled out Adam Peters for the jam job. Yeah,

485
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Speaker 1: you can't tell me that, John Lynchton and stepping and say,

486
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Speaker 1: you know, I'd rather you didn't talk to one of

487
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Speaker 1: our division rivals. So although I think he pulled out

488
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Speaker 1: of a couple of days, he did pull out of several, yes,

489
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Speaker 1: but you know, I get to what you're saying, so

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Speaker 1: and you know, maybe it was like, hey, maybe we

491
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Speaker 1: do want to talk to Sean Payton and hear what

492
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Speaker 1: he would do with Kyler Murder. Absolutely so. I mean,

493
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Speaker 1: once upon a time he was said to be a

494
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Speaker 1: fan of Kyler Murray coming out of the draft. Of course,

495
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Speaker 1: once again, that clip that everyone refers to and puts

496
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Speaker 1: on social media, that was Sean Payton on the air

497
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Speaker 1: for an NFL network. I think Sean Payton is going

498
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Speaker 1: to get up there and bad mouth the Heisman Trophy winner.

499
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Speaker 1: Probably not, So you know what does he really think?

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Speaker 1: You don't truly know based on that clip that's all

501
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Speaker 1: say He's not going to get up there and be

502
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Speaker 1: negative in trash some sort of prospect. Are you saying

503
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Speaker 1: that social media isn't all real? Well, I'm saying that

504
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Speaker 1: the video clip was off a live NFL network broadcast

505
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Speaker 1: where I don't remember too many evaluators, head coaches, or

506
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Speaker 1: gms trashing incoming prospects. Right, So with that in mind,

507
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Speaker 1: you know you can say that you can cite his quote,

508
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Speaker 1: you know that he's a Kyler Murray fan, but you

509
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Speaker 1: don't know for sure exactly. Let's get back to Isaiah

510
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Speaker 1: Simmons for just a minute. Talk about high draft picks.

511
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Speaker 1: What is the situation and how soon does monte As

512
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Speaker 1: and Ford have to come to a decision on that

513
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: fifth year options. It wouldn't be until early May. But

514
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Speaker 1: when you start talking about things that need to be

515
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Speaker 1: decided that that tends to fall through the cracks a

516
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Speaker 1: little bit because it while it has to be made

517
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Speaker 1: and it's not necessar going to affect this year's team

518
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Speaker 1: because we're talking about a twenty twenty four salary, so

519
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: it won't impact anything on the cap. But as we've

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Speaker 1: seen in the past, like with for instance, as Son Reddick,

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Speaker 1: where they chose not to pick up the fifth year

522
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Speaker 1: option and then you get to the fourth year and

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Speaker 1: he does really well. You know, if you don't pick

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Speaker 1: up that option, then Isaiah Simmons will be going into

525
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Speaker 1: the final year of his contract this year. And if

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Speaker 1: you do pick it up, that's you're guaranteeing him ten

527
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Speaker 1: million dollars for ten plus million dollars for twenty twenty four, gotcha.

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Speaker 1: And then if he belie if you don't pick it

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Speaker 1: up and he blows up in year four, and then

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Speaker 1: I guess you always have the franchise tag, right, I

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Speaker 1: guess you do, But I mean that's that's Mondo dollars. Yeah,

532
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Speaker 1: and then that would just be and again you need

533
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Speaker 1: to figure some of this stuff out. If and that's

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Speaker 1: the thing is like with Isaiah Simmons and his option

535
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Speaker 1: is the team option. By the time you have to

536
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: make that decision, you will have the coaches in place.

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Speaker 1: You will know whether he's going to be a hybrid

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Speaker 1: player or if he's going to be whatever he's going

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Speaker 1: to be. I mean the number of people you brought up,

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Speaker 1: Michael Parsons. I mean the number of fans that still

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Speaker 1: believe that Isaiah Simmons should be used like Michael Parsons

542
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Speaker 1: or Hassan Reddick. There's a lot of them. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: not so. I'm now I'm not in that camp no longer,

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Speaker 1: especially after watching Isaiah Simmons this year. I just don't

545
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Speaker 1: think he's a box player, not even close to the

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Speaker 1: way Michael Parsons is correct. I am intrigued by Zaven

547
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Speaker 1: Collins though a little bit. I could see that too,

548
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Speaker 1: especially if Zaven lost ten pounds. He's a big dude.

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Speaker 1: What if instead of two sixties something, he's more around

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Speaker 1: two fifty. Zaven Collins, could he be deployed like a

551
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Speaker 1: Michael Parsons. I'm intrigued by that. I'm wondering, excuse me,

552
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Speaker 1: if when you get this new coaching staff and everyone

553
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Speaker 1: working together and figuring out what the feature is going

554
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: to look like, as free agency approaches in March before

555
00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: the draft, how quickly or are they gonna and really

556
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Speaker 1: analyze how quickly are you going to make decisions on

557
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Speaker 1: Buyer Murphy, Zach Allen, all these other players who are

558
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Speaker 1: entering free agency. Well, I mean, my sense of history

559
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Speaker 1: is this, if they want to resign Zach Allen, if

560
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: they want to resign Byron Murphy, we're going to know

561
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Speaker 1: by mid February, maybe late February at the latest, the latest,

562
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Speaker 1: because if we start getting into March, they're not there's

563
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Speaker 1: no reason for them to sign until they hit free

564
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Speaker 1: agency and see what they can get. I wonder, if

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Speaker 1: you're the player and it's mid February, why not wait

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Speaker 1: another month. If you're Zach Allen, Bayern Murphy can't get

567
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Speaker 1: hurt right time, why not wait another month and see

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Speaker 1: what my value is on the open market. And let's

569
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Speaker 1: face it, the reality is is they already know, they're

570
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Speaker 1: already gonna have a good sense of what they're worth

571
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Speaker 1: is going to be on the open market. Yea. Now,

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Speaker 1: quite the decision of some sort that might come sooner

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Speaker 1: than we think, at least based on report that Mania

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Speaker 1: Stanford is meeting with DeAndre Hopkins. Could we get an

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Speaker 1: answer on that somewhat quick. We might not know the answer,

576
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: but the Cardinals and team d hop might know because

577
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Speaker 1: I remember d hop is not only the player, he's

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Speaker 1: the representative, He is the agent, He is his own guy.

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Speaker 1: Hence you have the GM not calling d hops agent.

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Speaker 1: There is none but meeting with the man himself, especially

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Speaker 1: after he posted the picture on social media with the

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Speaker 1: words forever grateful dot dot dot seemingly a goodbye to

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. So what does that mean? It's possible

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Speaker 1: that we get some sort of official notification that the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals are open to training DeAndre Hopkins before the draft

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00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: and what kind of trade can you do to get

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Speaker 1: maybe draft capital? But I also would think that they're

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Speaker 1: probably not in a rush to do so if they

589
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Speaker 1: don't feel like they're going to get the right offer.

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00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: The Cardinals, why would you rush that when you would

591
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: have all offseason into the beginning of next year. Well,

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Speaker 1: part of your issue is going to be there's two

593
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: fold two pronged to this, and it is who's looking

594
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: for the trade? Is that the team? Is that the player?

595
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: Is it both? Is it neither? DeAndre Hopkins is a

596
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: no trade clause, so he can veto whatever he wants.

597
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: But DeAndre Hopkins is also going to want a new

598
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: deal right now on his contract has no more guaranteed money.

599
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: He's a thirty million dollar cap hit this year, So

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Speaker 1: if you're going to keep him, I think he's gonna

601
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: want and he wants to stay, he's still gonna want

602
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Speaker 1: a new contract. And if he's traded, the dead cap

603
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: hit is like twenty three million, yes, twenty two and

604
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: a half something like that, And if he's staying, you

605
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: probably want to lower that cap number. So I think

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Speaker 1: some decisions have to be made early because you've got

607
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: to figure out what direction all that goes. And do

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Speaker 1: we think, if it is true that Hopkins is interested

609
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Speaker 1: in the trade, do we think that majority of that

610
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: decision has come from Kyler Murray will likely be missing

611
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Speaker 1: the first couple of games of next season with his

612
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: ACL recovery, and you don't really know what the team's

613
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: going to look like. And if this is someone who

614
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: it was made clear and hard Knocks is trying to

615
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: not only win, but get that Hall of Fame ballot,

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you think that that is a large

617
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Speaker 1: driving factor behind this? I mean I do. If you're

618
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Speaker 1: looking at a rebuild, you know, some players fit that

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Speaker 1: scenario and some don't. And so especially if you can

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Speaker 1: still sell high on DeAndre Hopkins and he still commands

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Speaker 1: a first round pick, for example, you can still sell

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Speaker 1: high on him. I believe so as well. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Chase Claypool got like a second round pick last year

624
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Speaker 1: from the Bears. They were talking DeAndre Hopkins. Look at

625
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Speaker 1: some of the teams out there and how desperate they

626
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: would be to add an elite wide receiver after what

627
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill just did for Miami. I mean, if you're

628
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: the New York Giants right now, how valuable is an

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Speaker 1: elite number one wide receiver going forward? If you're I mean,

630
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: think if you're Tennessee right now, they screwed up the A. J. Brown.

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Speaker 1: They need a number one wide receiver. There's at least

632
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: a half dozen teams you can make real case that

633
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: that's their biggest need this offseason. And as we all know,

634
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: rookie first round receivers are hit and miss, and a

635
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: lot of them are real slow to get traction. This

636
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: is a guy who's plug and play. This is all true.

637
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: But again, if you get him, you're talking about a

638
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: thirty plus year old receiver that is going to want

639
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: a new contract, so we'll see. I tend to think

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Speaker 1: there is a fit out there and somebody would be

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Speaker 1: willing to give up that first round pick for DeAndre Hopkins.

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Speaker 1: It was funny though, when he posted the picture with

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Speaker 1: forever grateful dot dot dot, and not long after that,

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals tweeted out il video ad hop I'm like, wow,

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Speaker 1: is this like a two man game here? They're making

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Speaker 1: it known that A he could be available, that his

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Speaker 1: time in Arizona has done, and be look what he's

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Speaker 1: capable of doing everyone. There should be a trade market

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Speaker 1: for this player. I almost wonder if there was like

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Speaker 1: a I mean, you know, maybe there was a meeting.

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Speaker 1: Before the meeting and they they they hashed out of

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Speaker 1: has been playing out footage of multiple players in game

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Speaker 1: changing plays. Okay, come on, just you know it wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be Cardinals Underground brought you by Pacific Office automation without

655
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Speaker 1: a good conspiracy theory. Just throwing that out there a

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Speaker 1: little bit, okay, Just wondering what other big offseason decisions

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Speaker 1: is Mania support in addition to trying to learn about

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Speaker 1: a million names as the new guy in the job

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Speaker 1: as he walks around the building, what else and conducting

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Speaker 1: head coach interviews and moving his family out to a

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Speaker 1: new state cross country what else is is front burner

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Speaker 1: on his desk in that GM office right now? You

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Speaker 1: got the DeAndre Hopkins, right, you have Isaiah Simmons. What

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Speaker 1: I guess you got to figure out your staff what

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Speaker 1: exactly would be the future of a couple of vps

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Speaker 1: and Adrian Wilson and Quentin Harris. I'm guessing that has

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Speaker 1: to be decided, right And also once you get your staff,

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Speaker 1: what kind of what are your schemes gonna look like?

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Speaker 1: What kind of defense are you running? Because that's going

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Speaker 1: to determine draft priorities or what you're doing with the

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Speaker 1: guys here. You talked about Davin Collins being on the outside,

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Speaker 1: talk about Isaiah sims is going to be if you

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Speaker 1: somehow decided to change to a four three base what

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Speaker 1: does that do to some of your guys? What does

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00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: that do to Cam Thomas? Yeah, exactly, same wave link, Darren,

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00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: it's the green shirt. Obviously, Danny's are the same wave

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Speaker 1: link with Kyle Vannimbosch, who pointed out earlier today, Yes,

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Speaker 1: you can't make any personnel moves until you have your

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Speaker 1: coordinators in place. You know what schemes you're running, because

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Speaker 1: you got to find the right personnel to fit the scheme.

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Speaker 1: Kyle also competent in my green shirt too. No, you

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00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: should wear more often. I just got it. I know.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying. By the way, I learned that Drew

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Speaker 1: Stan during commercial breaks was doing impersonations of Paul pencil

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Speaker 1: Neck over here, so that I don't appreciate. Wait, I

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Speaker 1: thought you said it was you and Kyle and it

687
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Speaker 1: was last week. Though apparently Drew Stan was impersonating me

688
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: like Frank Kelly, and that's not cool in any fashion.

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Speaker 1: Anybody have a gut feeling as to the final four

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Speaker 1: the NFCNAFC Championship games, and I bring them up because

691
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: Vegas has all four teams with almost equal odds of

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Speaker 1: winning the Super Bowl. This is tough. But some employees

693
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Speaker 1: in our content department since the playoffs have been voting

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Speaker 1: on teams basically doing like a bracket essentially of like

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Speaker 1: who do we think is gonna win and just guestimating.

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Speaker 1: Let's make that very clear. You're just you're out there. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: there's no we don't have inside knowledge. There's no money

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Speaker 1: on the line, there's not saying that's just making sure. Yeah, everybody,

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Speaker 1: come on, it's pride. You're not buying any squares. No,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing being put in. Sorry, go ahead. Um, So

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Speaker 1: I made my decisions today. If you were curious, which

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Speaker 1: it sounds like Cincinnati in San Francisco, Well you're half right.

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Speaker 1: Which half do I write? That Eagles front that had

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Speaker 1: seventy sacks this year? I think they finally make Brock

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Speaker 1: Purty look like a rookie. Okay, that that was the one.

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Speaker 1: I had to wait a couple of days to make

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Speaker 1: my decision. That's but I'm with you on Cincinnati. But

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow experience, it is extremely real. And after what

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Speaker 1: that offensive line did, and after what that defensive coordinator

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00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: dialed up lou amor rollo, what is anyway something like that?

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00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: I got it in here somewhere. I mean that that

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00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 1: defense was on point. That that Bengals defense so um,

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Speaker 1: and you know what they're feeling themselves. They're smelling themselves

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Speaker 1: in Cincinnati. They they they are full of confidence right now,

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Speaker 1: especially Eli Apple. Yes, so what was his quote? It

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Speaker 1: was never close? Was the Eli apple quote after the game,

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Speaker 1: of course it wasn't close twenty seven ten, and then

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Speaker 1: got to love the Joe Burrow after the game with

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Speaker 1: a sideline reporter Tracy Wilson, better get those refunds, sent

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Speaker 1: out Joe Burrow about the neutral site AOC that that

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Speaker 1: was not unlike Chris Collinsworth back in the day, fire

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Speaker 1: and up an Arizona Cardinals team on the run to

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Speaker 1: the two thousand and eight Super Bowl. Can I ask

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Speaker 1: a question, though, go ahead, if you're going to hold

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Speaker 1: a neutral site championship game in Atlanta, let's say, don't

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Speaker 1: you got to start selling the damn tickets? Do you

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Speaker 1: have to send out the press release? Though? That trumpet's

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Speaker 1: the fact you sold fifty thousand tickets in thirty six hours.

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Speaker 1: We had we had to start selling, we had to

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Speaker 1: sell playoff tickets, home playoff tickets or whatever. When I

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Speaker 1: just I think it was the publicity around the sale whatever.

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Speaker 1: Here's what it is. It's these winey athletes who always

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Speaker 1: say they always get disrespected in some way, shape or form,

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Speaker 1: which is probably really smart that they find any little

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Speaker 1: reason too. But I'm like, okay, the quote unquote disrespect

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Speaker 1: is amazing that you can find if you're pro athlete.

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Speaker 1: So I put it to you, senior writer, lead writer Phrasy,

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Speaker 1: Cardinals dot Com signor d Herb, if you were the

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Speaker 1: commission or Darren Urban, would you or would you not

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Speaker 1: seriously consider neutral psyche Conference championship games? Based absolutely not

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Speaker 1: based on what do you mean? Based on I agree?

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Speaker 1: Why would you change it? No? I agree with you,

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Speaker 1: And it's based on if based on our own experience

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00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: here in the az the Philadelphia Eagles NFC championship game

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00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: was such an unbelievable sporting experienced, top three all time

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Speaker 1: for me personally, and the vibe and atmosphere in that

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Speaker 1: building was unlike any other I've ever experienced in that

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Speaker 1: stadium that unless I experienced that, I might be might

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Speaker 1: be willing to consider neutral site championship games unless I

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Speaker 1: had been part of one at least as the sideline

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Speaker 1: reporter and in that building. And I think if you

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Speaker 1: have been in that building experience, and it was a

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Speaker 1: no chance, non starter. Okay, So here's my thought on that. Okay, One,

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna make any more money at a neutral

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Speaker 1: psyche game, I don't think unless you're just gonna I

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Speaker 1: think you make more for the rest of the owners.

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00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: It's spread across the league, whereas the team hosting that

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00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: championship game gets pretty large percentage of the proceeds. I

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Speaker 1: guess as the team. I mean, I all I've heard

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Speaker 1: my entire life, and especially like the last thirty years,

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Speaker 1: is how relatively sterile the Super Bowl is compared to

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Speaker 1: every other NFL game. Why would we want more of that?

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Speaker 1: What's the point of that? And and the other The

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Speaker 1: other point I would make is the whole deal your

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00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: whole season is like you're trying to earn these home

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Speaker 1: field of vantage. What's the point of if getting a

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00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: high seed, all it means is you get potentially won

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Speaker 1: by oh and by the way, they took that away

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Speaker 1: for all but one team. Now, what's the point of

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Speaker 1: just qualify? I mean, I just I think it's stupid.

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Speaker 1: I think you keep talking about how this game is

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Speaker 1: for your fans, and then you want to do more stuff,

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Speaker 1: whether it's taking games into international venue or taking games

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Speaker 1: to making a championship game at a neutral site. I

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Speaker 1: just I mean, if you're a team and you're asking

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Speaker 1: the your your fan base to invest in all these

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00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: season tickets, including in the bad years, how do you

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00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: not have that as a as a carrot that if

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Speaker 1: your team is really good, that you could be hosting

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Speaker 1: an NFC championship And you said it yourself, and unfortunately

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00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: Danny wasn't born yet, but when we were in that

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00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: NFC Championship game, that was an amazing, amazing night. Yes,

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Speaker 1: go off. I guess my two word answer would be

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Speaker 1: growing revenues. That's always the ultimate goal of the NFL. Well,

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Speaker 1: then then let's you start moving the draft all around

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Speaker 1: and I'm guessing it's a bidding process and teams or

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Speaker 1: cities are willing to pony up cash to host the

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft, And that's again, could you do the same

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Speaker 1: thing theoretically, and they might do that and whatever, and

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Speaker 1: if that's what they do, that's fine. Let's let's call

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Speaker 1: it what it is then, and it's that we don't

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Speaker 1: care about anything but making more money. And okay, and look,

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Speaker 1: I'm just throwing it out there because because the other

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00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: problem you're gonna have without Paul is are you gonna

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Speaker 1: try and at least with Atlanta, they try to figure

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Speaker 1: out something that was somewhat equidistant, right, yea. If you

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00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: start talking about, oh, well we can move this around.

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Speaker 1: And so what happens if you end up having one

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Speaker 1: team having to travel cross country and the other one

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00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: has to travel like five hundred miles. That's that's inherently wrong.

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Speaker 1: And what if Lambeau Ponies up the most money but

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00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: it's gonna be sub zero. Yeah, And the two teams

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Speaker 1: in the NFC Championship are Tampa and Arizona. And you're like,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, why are we playing a conference championship

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Speaker 1: game and it's three below when we could be playing

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Speaker 1: in Phoenix and it's seventy degrees or in Tampa where

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00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: it's seventy two degrees. Danny, do you have any strong

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00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: feelings about this? No, I think you covered it all.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. What Danny's got bigger issues right now,

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Speaker 1: which is what Paul Well. I mean, you're trying to

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Speaker 1: make sure you're trying to get inside info as to

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Speaker 1: when exactly the head coach announcement's going to be made. Guys,

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Speaker 1: I am going to be near the office. No during

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Speaker 1: the hour, I am. I am. I'm not leaving till

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Speaker 1: late Friday afternoon, and I will be in town on Monday.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Danny, you missed out on a glorious

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00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: opportunity to return fire at Darren when you cited and

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00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: complimented his brand new long sleep green shirt. She never

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Speaker 1: complimented it. Did you ask him whether he was renting

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Speaker 1: it or does he own it? You didn't ask him that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I thought I was waiting for that. I

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Speaker 1: really was, where's my Bingo card? I'm gonna get a

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Speaker 1: bingo card for that? Was? That was good. I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't have her bottle. F'm not gonna say I

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Speaker 1: don't have I don't know. Last question, By the time

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Speaker 1: we do the next edition of Cardinals Underground early next week,

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Speaker 1: will there or will there not be a Cardinal's head

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Speaker 1: coach in place? Danny go, yes, okay, Darren no all,

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Speaker 1: I say yes. I say it'll be next day. I

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Speaker 1: say it'll be next Tuesday morning before Cardinals Underground. Tricky.

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Speaker 1: That'll do it for this edition. Brought to you by

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