1 00:00:04,795 --> 00:00:22,315 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. Donald 2 00:00:22,395 --> 00:00:26,475 Speaker 1: Trump may be indicted for the January sixth coup attempt 3 00:00:26,995 --> 00:00:32,955 Speaker 1: today or not. But if Jack Smith repeats the timeline 4 00:00:32,955 --> 00:00:36,355 Speaker 1: from the stolen classified documents case with his Florida Trump 5 00:00:36,395 --> 00:00:40,835 Speaker 1: grand jury, when Smith's Washington Trump grand Jury meets today, 6 00:00:41,155 --> 00:00:44,315 Speaker 1: as it usually meets on Tuesdays, starting at one pm 7 00:00:44,395 --> 00:00:48,715 Speaker 1: at the E. Barrett Prettyman Courthouse in DC, that grand 8 00:00:48,795 --> 00:00:51,475 Speaker 1: jury will seemingly be just stepping into that part of 9 00:00:51,475 --> 00:00:55,155 Speaker 1: the timeline in which we can actually say the indictments 10 00:00:55,195 --> 00:00:59,515 Speaker 1: should be handed up anytime now. In fact, today could 11 00:00:59,555 --> 00:01:03,915 Speaker 1: be exactly the same day on that timeline that we 12 00:01:03,915 --> 00:01:08,035 Speaker 1: were on the first indictments timeline when the indictments actually happened. 13 00:01:08,715 --> 00:01:13,315 Speaker 1: With the understanding that this is academic, unless they are 14 00:01:13,515 --> 00:01:16,595 Speaker 1: taking bets on this in Vegas, I'll take the Mets 15 00:01:16,595 --> 00:01:19,875 Speaker 1: over the Yankees, Japan over Costa Rica at the World Cup, 16 00:01:19,875 --> 00:01:22,475 Speaker 1: and the Trump indictments today, and I'll take the over 17 00:01:23,395 --> 00:01:27,035 Speaker 1: With that understanding, let me walk you through my math. 18 00:01:27,675 --> 00:01:31,195 Speaker 1: It was two Sundays ago, the sixteenth, Trump says, anyway, 19 00:01:31,395 --> 00:01:34,475 Speaker 1: when his attorneys notified him they had received the target 20 00:01:34,555 --> 00:01:39,955 Speaker 1: letter for January sixth indictments, assuming that date is correct, 21 00:01:40,355 --> 00:01:42,875 Speaker 1: even though it was a Sunday, which would not seem 22 00:01:42,995 --> 00:01:46,355 Speaker 1: to make sense. We are now right now at the 23 00:01:46,355 --> 00:01:49,835 Speaker 1: start of day ten on this timeline. Fix that in 24 00:01:49,875 --> 00:01:54,315 Speaker 1: your mind day ten of this timeline. The timeline on 25 00:01:54,355 --> 00:01:57,155 Speaker 1: the first Smith indictments for the stealing of documents and 26 00:01:57,195 --> 00:02:00,235 Speaker 1: stashing them at Mari Lago is a little hazier because 27 00:02:00,275 --> 00:02:04,235 Speaker 1: Trump never said exactly when he got Target letter number 28 00:02:04,315 --> 00:02:07,395 Speaker 1: one for that first set of thirty seven counts. But 29 00:02:07,475 --> 00:02:09,635 Speaker 1: there has been a lot of source reporting as to 30 00:02:09,715 --> 00:02:13,315 Speaker 1: when that letter was received, and unfortunately dates barry. Some 31 00:02:13,475 --> 00:02:16,355 Speaker 1: real time reporting said the letter arrived in the last 32 00:02:16,555 --> 00:02:20,955 Speaker 1: few weeks. Other reporting said last week. If it was 33 00:02:21,035 --> 00:02:23,355 Speaker 1: in fact the preceding week, that was the week of 34 00:02:23,435 --> 00:02:26,275 Speaker 1: Memorial Day. So what if the letter had been received 35 00:02:26,315 --> 00:02:29,635 Speaker 1: on the first workday of that week, Tuesday May thirtieth. 36 00:02:29,955 --> 00:02:33,195 Speaker 1: Trump's lawyers met with the Smith team on Monday, June fifth. 37 00:02:33,435 --> 00:02:36,395 Speaker 1: News of the target letter leaked on Wednesday, June seventh. 38 00:02:36,635 --> 00:02:39,635 Speaker 1: Trump revealed he had been indicted on Thursday, June eighth. 39 00:02:39,995 --> 00:02:42,475 Speaker 1: Shortly thereafter, we learned that the grand jury had handed 40 00:02:42,555 --> 00:02:45,675 Speaker 1: up the indictments earlier that same day, June eighth. That 41 00:02:45,875 --> 00:02:48,995 Speaker 1: makes the time span from the first target letter to 42 00:02:49,115 --> 00:02:54,395 Speaker 1: the first indictments day ten of that timeline ten days. 43 00:02:55,075 --> 00:03:00,635 Speaker 1: As I mentioned, today is day ten of this timeline 44 00:03:00,675 --> 00:03:06,515 Speaker 1: many many caveats. Even if that timeline is exactly accurate, 45 00:03:07,355 --> 00:03:09,915 Speaker 1: he didn't have to stick to a timeline for this 46 00:03:10,235 --> 00:03:14,035 Speaker 1: second set of indictments or any other indictments. The span 47 00:03:14,195 --> 00:03:16,835 Speaker 1: between the first target letter and the first invitments could 48 00:03:16,835 --> 00:03:20,595 Speaker 1: have been amazingly fast. It could have happened far earlier 49 00:03:20,635 --> 00:03:23,755 Speaker 1: than May thirtieth. The span might have been seventeen days 50 00:03:24,075 --> 00:03:27,875 Speaker 1: or twenty four days, and just as dubious, the second 51 00:03:27,915 --> 00:03:31,635 Speaker 1: target letter arrived on a Sunday. A Sunday, what they 52 00:03:31,715 --> 00:03:35,355 Speaker 1: drove the letter from Washington to marri Lago. If the 53 00:03:35,435 --> 00:03:39,235 Speaker 1: second target letter actually got there earlier than Sunday and 54 00:03:39,355 --> 00:03:45,115 Speaker 1: Trump misled people I know, or for whatever reason they 55 00:03:45,235 --> 00:03:50,115 Speaker 1: delayed notifying him I know, then today is not day 56 00:03:50,195 --> 00:03:52,915 Speaker 1: ten of the second timeline. It could be day eleven 57 00:03:52,995 --> 00:03:57,595 Speaker 1: or day twelve. The only purpose to this silliness really 58 00:03:57,675 --> 00:03:59,915 Speaker 1: is to underscore what I said at the beginning today 59 00:04:00,435 --> 00:04:03,515 Speaker 1: that Jack Smith Trump DC grand jury seems to be 60 00:04:03,555 --> 00:04:06,075 Speaker 1: stepping into that part of the timeline in which the 61 00:04:06,115 --> 00:04:12,195 Speaker 1: actual second set of indictments seems possible, practical, doable, or 62 00:04:12,595 --> 00:04:14,595 Speaker 1: as I once heard it phrase by a long ago 63 00:04:14,715 --> 00:04:17,555 Speaker 1: anchor on the CBS All News radio station in New York, 64 00:04:17,755 --> 00:04:20,435 Speaker 1: in a statement that has literally stuck with me since 65 00:04:20,515 --> 00:04:23,955 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one, quote, the next development in the baseball 66 00:04:23,995 --> 00:04:28,675 Speaker 1: strike negotiations could happen as early as today. And if 67 00:04:28,675 --> 00:04:30,915 Speaker 1: you think about that, you will recognize that not only 68 00:04:30,955 --> 00:04:34,955 Speaker 1: does that have to be true, it cannot possibly not 69 00:04:35,155 --> 00:04:38,115 Speaker 1: be true, because the next development in anything in the 70 00:04:38,235 --> 00:04:40,675 Speaker 1: universe could happen as early as today. If the next 71 00:04:40,755 --> 00:04:43,035 Speaker 1: development could happen as early as yesterday, we're all in 72 00:04:43,155 --> 00:04:49,755 Speaker 1: big trouble. So welcome to day ten. Maybe unless it's 73 00:04:49,795 --> 00:04:53,995 Speaker 1: really day eleven or day twelve. I was told there 74 00:04:53,995 --> 00:04:58,195 Speaker 1: would be no math. Just remember these other numbers. US 75 00:04:58,235 --> 00:05:02,075 Speaker 1: Code eighteen, section two four one. That is conspiracy against 76 00:05:02,195 --> 00:05:05,515 Speaker 1: rights that would be interfering with the counting of legitimate votes, 77 00:05:05,555 --> 00:05:09,195 Speaker 1: the post Civil War Law for Reconstruction voting against the 78 00:05:09,275 --> 00:05:13,275 Speaker 1: KKK with or without violence, US Code eighteen, section three 79 00:05:13,435 --> 00:05:16,395 Speaker 1: seven to one, conspiracy to defraud the United States, and 80 00:05:16,635 --> 00:05:19,875 Speaker 1: US Code eighteen Section one five one to two correctly 81 00:05:19,955 --> 00:05:25,915 Speaker 1: obstructing an official proceeding, and those indictments will happen today 82 00:05:27,435 --> 00:05:33,915 Speaker 1: or Thursday, or next Tuesday or next Thursday, but probably 83 00:05:33,955 --> 00:05:38,275 Speaker 1: earlier than two weeks from today, unless there are other 84 00:05:38,355 --> 00:05:44,675 Speaker 1: factors in developments that are slightly less like nailing jello 85 00:05:44,875 --> 00:05:48,195 Speaker 1: to the wall. NBC News says that Richard Donahue, the 86 00:05:48,275 --> 00:05:50,995 Speaker 1: former acting Deputy Attorney General, has met with the Special 87 00:05:51,075 --> 00:05:54,595 Speaker 1: Council's office. You may remember Donahue from the House Committee hearings. 88 00:05:55,115 --> 00:05:57,275 Speaker 1: He was one of the good guys. He and his boss, 89 00:05:57,355 --> 00:06:00,035 Speaker 1: Jeff Rosen, were the ones to whom Trump said, just 90 00:06:00,115 --> 00:06:02,635 Speaker 1: say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to 91 00:06:02,675 --> 00:06:06,755 Speaker 1: me and the Republican congressman, and to whom Trump insisted 92 00:06:06,755 --> 00:06:10,795 Speaker 1: there was a suitcase full of fraudulent ballots, and they 93 00:06:10,835 --> 00:06:13,315 Speaker 1: said no, they would not say that, and quote, no, sir, 94 00:06:13,355 --> 00:06:18,795 Speaker 1: there is no suitcase. Presumably Donahue would be supplying still 95 00:06:18,835 --> 00:06:22,635 Speaker 1: more grist for Jack Smith's mill on his central theme 96 00:06:22,955 --> 00:06:25,435 Speaker 1: that Trump knew damn well the election was not stolen, 97 00:06:25,475 --> 00:06:28,995 Speaker 1: but still pretended that it was. Section three seventy one 98 00:06:29,075 --> 00:06:33,155 Speaker 1: does say conspiracy to defraud the United States, and there 99 00:06:33,235 --> 00:06:36,635 Speaker 1: is that entire separate line of inquiry about literally defrauding 100 00:06:36,715 --> 00:06:40,395 Speaker 1: those who donated to his assorted packs and campaigns and 101 00:06:40,515 --> 00:06:43,995 Speaker 1: funds to audit votes and file for recounts, but otherwise 102 00:06:44,035 --> 00:06:49,235 Speaker 1: stop the steal that wasn't stolen. So would those who 103 00:06:49,235 --> 00:06:52,395 Speaker 1: were at a February twenty twenty Oval Office meeting that 104 00:06:52,515 --> 00:06:56,155 Speaker 1: CNN says has now become a subject of some fascination 105 00:06:56,315 --> 00:07:00,075 Speaker 1: among the prosecutors. Trump told election officials and his own 106 00:07:00,115 --> 00:07:04,195 Speaker 1: staffers at that meeting February twenty twenty how pleased he 107 00:07:04,435 --> 00:07:08,515 Speaker 1: was by improvements to the security of American elections, and 108 00:07:08,635 --> 00:07:13,555 Speaker 1: specifically improvements to the security of paper ballots and audits 109 00:07:13,675 --> 00:07:17,115 Speaker 1: of vote tallies. Within two months, of course, Trump would 110 00:07:17,115 --> 00:07:19,835 Speaker 1: be claiming that paper ballots, especially the ones that were 111 00:07:19,835 --> 00:07:24,355 Speaker 1: mailed in, were insecure and rife for fraud. By September 112 00:07:24,435 --> 00:07:27,155 Speaker 1: he was screaming that. By November he was insisting the 113 00:07:27,275 --> 00:07:31,115 Speaker 1: entire election had been compromised by that. And there's one 114 00:07:31,155 --> 00:07:34,955 Speaker 1: development which I actually think is less important than we 115 00:07:34,995 --> 00:07:38,075 Speaker 1: are being led to believe. The ex New York City 116 00:07:38,155 --> 00:07:42,075 Speaker 1: Police commissioner and also ex Cohn Bernie Carrick, has turned 117 00:07:42,115 --> 00:07:47,155 Speaker 1: over quote thousands of documents produced by Rudy Giuliani's team 118 00:07:47,435 --> 00:07:50,915 Speaker 1: as it tried to find or create non existent voting 119 00:07:50,955 --> 00:07:54,315 Speaker 1: fraud after the twenty twenty election. The same boatload has 120 00:07:54,355 --> 00:07:57,315 Speaker 1: also been turned over to Ruby Freeman and Shay Moss 121 00:07:57,315 --> 00:07:59,995 Speaker 1: in their suit against Giuliani. And I'd be a lot 122 00:08:00,035 --> 00:08:02,555 Speaker 1: more intrigued, and my mind would turn to the rhetorical 123 00:08:02,635 --> 00:08:08,275 Speaker 1: question did Carrick flip on Rudy if Carrick's lawyer Tim PARLATORI, 124 00:08:08,915 --> 00:08:12,355 Speaker 1: former Trump lawyer Tim PARLATORI, had not revealed that he 125 00:08:12,435 --> 00:08:15,675 Speaker 1: and Carrick had shown all of those two thousand or 126 00:08:15,715 --> 00:08:19,315 Speaker 1: so documents to the Trump legal team at one eight 127 00:08:19,435 --> 00:08:22,715 Speaker 1: hundred insurrection, and the Trumpers said they saw no need 128 00:08:22,755 --> 00:08:26,275 Speaker 1: to claim executive privilege on any of the documents. Parlatory 129 00:08:26,395 --> 00:08:28,955 Speaker 1: says he will sit down with the Special Counsel's office 130 00:08:28,955 --> 00:08:32,835 Speaker 1: in about two weeks to discuss, presumably with Bernie Kerrick 131 00:08:32,875 --> 00:08:37,155 Speaker 1: sitting there too, trying to remember where he is on 132 00:08:37,275 --> 00:08:41,675 Speaker 1: the Trump temperature front. Yesterday's social media posts were heavily 133 00:08:41,755 --> 00:08:46,075 Speaker 1: vainglorious boasting along with polling, plus one shot at Biden, 134 00:08:46,195 --> 00:08:50,235 Speaker 1: one reposting about Merrick Garland being guilty of collusion, and 135 00:08:50,315 --> 00:08:53,675 Speaker 1: one reposting of the standard brilliance of Marjorie pornography Green 136 00:08:53,755 --> 00:08:56,395 Speaker 1: from a week ago in which Green called Jack Smith 137 00:08:56,475 --> 00:09:00,435 Speaker 1: quote a weak little bitch for the Democrats unquote, which 138 00:09:00,555 --> 00:09:03,115 Speaker 1: I am putting on a post it for when Marge 139 00:09:03,155 --> 00:09:07,035 Speaker 1: gets indicted by Smith Lee this year. Am I guessing 140 00:09:07,035 --> 00:09:10,115 Speaker 1: on that? I'm guessing on that? Did the odds of 141 00:09:10,115 --> 00:09:12,235 Speaker 1: my being right just go up? The odds of my 142 00:09:12,315 --> 00:09:15,715 Speaker 1: being right just went up? But mostly it was Trump 143 00:09:15,755 --> 00:09:20,115 Speaker 1: posting moronic polls, moronic even for him, the exemplar of 144 00:09:20,115 --> 00:09:22,715 Speaker 1: which came from the British tabloid The Daily Mail, in 145 00:09:22,755 --> 00:09:25,355 Speaker 1: which New Hampshire voters were asked to select not just 146 00:09:25,395 --> 00:09:28,635 Speaker 1: their favorite for the Republican nomination or for the general election, 147 00:09:28,835 --> 00:09:34,115 Speaker 1: but quote, New Hampshire Republicans picked Donald Trump over Ronald 148 00:09:34,235 --> 00:09:39,595 Speaker 1: Reagan as their dream president. Trump thirty five percent, Dessantis 149 00:09:39,595 --> 00:09:44,115 Speaker 1: seven percent, Chris Sinunu six percent, Ramaswami three percent, Romney 150 00:09:44,115 --> 00:09:48,915 Speaker 1: three percent, Tim Scott three percent, Ronald Reagan three percent. 151 00:09:50,115 --> 00:09:54,235 Speaker 1: As you may know, I am no fan of Ronald Reagan, 152 00:09:54,715 --> 00:09:57,035 Speaker 1: but in his defense, I would like to point out 153 00:09:57,035 --> 00:10:00,755 Speaker 1: that even Republicans are smart enough to realize that he 154 00:10:00,875 --> 00:10:05,915 Speaker 1: is dead and that a dead president slow down those 155 00:10:06,115 --> 00:10:12,715 Speaker 1: cabinet meetings. I would also note here that over the 156 00:10:12,715 --> 00:10:15,955 Speaker 1: weekend it turned out that obeying rulings by the Supreme 157 00:10:15,995 --> 00:10:19,675 Speaker 1: Court has apparently become optional according to the Republican Party. 158 00:10:20,635 --> 00:10:23,435 Speaker 1: A federal court has ruled that the new congressional map 159 00:10:23,475 --> 00:10:27,315 Speaker 1: in Alabama had been drawn in a discriminatory way against 160 00:10:27,315 --> 00:10:30,795 Speaker 1: minority voters, and that two majority black districts would have 161 00:10:30,835 --> 00:10:33,875 Speaker 1: to be created. Alabama took that to the Supreme Court. 162 00:10:33,955 --> 00:10:37,915 Speaker 1: The Supreme Court upheld the lower court's ruling against Alabama 163 00:10:37,995 --> 00:10:41,995 Speaker 1: and for the two majority black districts. On Friday, the 164 00:10:42,035 --> 00:10:47,795 Speaker 1: Republican legislature approved a new Alabama congressional map one majority 165 00:10:47,835 --> 00:10:52,795 Speaker 1: black district, and Governor k Ivy signed the legislation quote, 166 00:10:52,955 --> 00:10:56,635 Speaker 1: the legislature knows our state, our people, and our districts 167 00:10:56,635 --> 00:11:00,035 Speaker 1: better than the federal courts or activist groups, and I 168 00:11:00,075 --> 00:11:03,715 Speaker 1: am pleased that they answered the call, remained focused, and 169 00:11:03,835 --> 00:11:07,995 Speaker 1: produced new discs ahead of the court deadline. The ante 170 00:11:08,035 --> 00:11:10,955 Speaker 1: was raised hours later when the state senator who sponsored 171 00:11:10,995 --> 00:11:14,155 Speaker 1: the new map, he is from Scottsborough, of all places, 172 00:11:14,555 --> 00:11:17,915 Speaker 1: broadened the list of elected officers who had just ignored 173 00:11:17,955 --> 00:11:21,195 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court from just the governor of the state, 174 00:11:21,595 --> 00:11:25,035 Speaker 1: and now to include Speaker of the House Kevin McCarthy 175 00:11:25,355 --> 00:11:28,435 Speaker 1: to quote State Senator Steve Livingstone. I did hear from 176 00:11:28,515 --> 00:11:32,075 Speaker 1: Speaker McCarthy. It was quite simple. He said, I'm interested 177 00:11:32,115 --> 00:11:36,875 Speaker 1: in keeping my majority. That was basically his conversation. Well, 178 00:11:37,315 --> 00:11:40,275 Speaker 1: there you have it. I once suggested it was time 179 00:11:40,315 --> 00:11:43,235 Speaker 1: to ignore the Supreme Court, and Marco Rubio put out 180 00:11:43,235 --> 00:11:46,595 Speaker 1: a tweet implying I had just committed a federal crime. 181 00:11:47,395 --> 00:11:51,115 Speaker 1: And here the Republicans have beaten the Democrats to ignoring 182 00:11:51,155 --> 00:11:56,715 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court altogether. Supreme Court now optional. Roe v. 183 00:11:56,875 --> 00:12:02,395 Speaker 1: Wade not overturned. Elimination of affirmative action never happened. Clarence 184 00:12:02,475 --> 00:12:05,995 Speaker 1: Thomas have to lower his prices. Oh in the Second 185 00:12:06,035 --> 00:12:08,355 Speaker 1: Amendment case that etched it in Stone, even though the 186 00:12:08,355 --> 00:12:10,995 Speaker 1: Second Amendment doesn't have the word own in it or 187 00:12:11,035 --> 00:12:13,795 Speaker 1: any synonym for own, as in right to own a 188 00:12:13,835 --> 00:12:19,755 Speaker 1: gun District of Columbia versus Heller now optional. Thank you 189 00:12:20,035 --> 00:12:30,155 Speaker 1: k Ivy and Kevin McCarthy also of interest here, Yes, 190 00:12:30,715 --> 00:12:34,195 Speaker 1: Meta and not Elon Musk owns the rights to the 191 00:12:34,275 --> 00:12:38,755 Speaker 1: letter X for social networking, but the supposed replacement of 192 00:12:38,835 --> 00:12:47,235 Speaker 1: the tweet with the xeet presumably pronounced sheet, as in yeah, 193 00:12:47,275 --> 00:12:49,595 Speaker 1: I sent that out on social media. I just took 194 00:12:49,595 --> 00:12:55,115 Speaker 1: a sheet. Apparently that's not true. And also in a new, 195 00:12:55,435 --> 00:12:58,995 Speaker 1: all new edition of Countdown, Baseball's new Hall of Famers, 196 00:12:59,035 --> 00:13:00,555 Speaker 1: one of them was traded away by the New York 197 00:13:00,595 --> 00:13:04,035 Speaker 1: Yankees at the insistence of a Yankee player You've never 198 00:13:04,075 --> 00:13:06,915 Speaker 1: heard that's the before and the other one. Scott Roland 199 00:13:07,195 --> 00:13:09,875 Speaker 1: once told me that his highlight of the year nineteen 200 00:13:09,955 --> 00:13:14,595 Speaker 1: ninety six was an elaborate and superb practical joke that 201 00:13:14,715 --> 00:13:18,675 Speaker 1: he and his minor league teammates and managers pulled on 202 00:13:18,955 --> 00:13:23,195 Speaker 1: me in nineteen ninety six. And I said, wait, nineteen 203 00:13:23,235 --> 00:13:25,475 Speaker 1: ninety six was the year you made the major leagues, 204 00:13:26,115 --> 00:13:31,675 Speaker 1: whereupon Scott Rowland said, that's next. This is Countdown. This 205 00:13:31,875 --> 00:13:44,395 Speaker 1: is Countdown with Keith album postscripts to the news, some headlines, 206 00:13:44,435 --> 00:13:48,675 Speaker 1: some updates, some snarks, some predictions. Dateline Bismarck, North Dakota, 207 00:13:49,155 --> 00:13:52,995 Speaker 1: the sentient pair of eyebrows running for the Republican presidential 208 00:13:53,035 --> 00:13:57,275 Speaker 1: nomination has done it again. Governor Doug Bergham not only 209 00:13:57,355 --> 00:14:01,315 Speaker 1: offered anybody who donated a dollar a twenty dollars gift card, 210 00:14:01,835 --> 00:14:05,195 Speaker 1: but he put biden twenty dollars relief card on it 211 00:14:05,275 --> 00:14:09,155 Speaker 1: without every thinking that that might sound like Biden gave 212 00:14:09,195 --> 00:14:12,875 Speaker 1: you the twenty dollars, might it not. Now he is 213 00:14:12,915 --> 00:14:16,995 Speaker 1: selling t shirts for thirty five dollars that read Doug Bergham. 214 00:14:17,395 --> 00:14:20,515 Speaker 1: Try that in a small town if you don't get 215 00:14:20,515 --> 00:14:22,955 Speaker 1: that reference. That is the name of the Jason Alden 216 00:14:23,235 --> 00:14:27,195 Speaker 1: song banned from country music television because it basically says, 217 00:14:27,235 --> 00:14:30,395 Speaker 1: if you protest in a small town, you will be 218 00:14:30,675 --> 00:14:34,595 Speaker 1: and should be lynched. So that's Doug Bergham, your pro 219 00:14:34,915 --> 00:14:39,315 Speaker 1: lynching candidate. By the way, the small town Jason Aldean 220 00:14:39,435 --> 00:14:43,595 Speaker 1: grew up in Macon, Georgia, the metropolitan area of which 221 00:14:43,635 --> 00:14:47,315 Speaker 1: has nearly a quarter of a million residents, two sports franchises, 222 00:14:47,555 --> 00:14:53,155 Speaker 1: and a Division One football program. Dateline Barbie Land. I 223 00:14:53,835 --> 00:14:56,675 Speaker 1: don't care if you liked Oppenheimer or you didn't, or 224 00:14:56,675 --> 00:14:59,035 Speaker 1: you liked Barbie or you didn't, or you went to 225 00:14:59,115 --> 00:15:02,595 Speaker 1: Oppenheimer or Barbie or both, or you didn't. But when 226 00:15:02,635 --> 00:15:06,315 Speaker 1: did it become a law that every news organization in 227 00:15:06,355 --> 00:15:10,275 Speaker 1: this country had to take a cheesy stunt suggested by 228 00:15:10,395 --> 00:15:13,195 Speaker 1: pr people and run with it and run it into 229 00:15:13,235 --> 00:15:17,875 Speaker 1: the ground the Barbenheimer stuff, or if like me, you 230 00:15:17,955 --> 00:15:22,315 Speaker 1: prefer the other option, Openbee. The Wall Street Journal wrote 231 00:15:22,355 --> 00:15:25,435 Speaker 1: one article talking about the arrival of a beloved icon 232 00:15:25,555 --> 00:15:28,355 Speaker 1: in Pink and the article had the punchline, what we're 233 00:15:28,395 --> 00:15:32,275 Speaker 1: not talking about Barbie. And it also had another article 234 00:15:32,635 --> 00:15:35,835 Speaker 1: about a blockbuster movie about something explosive that was being 235 00:15:35,915 --> 00:15:38,795 Speaker 1: prepared in nineteen forty five, and that punchline was quote, 236 00:15:38,875 --> 00:15:44,475 Speaker 1: it's not Oppenheimer. The Washington Post offered sixteen ways we 237 00:15:44,555 --> 00:15:48,275 Speaker 1: think about Barbie. Post writers search for the meaning of 238 00:15:48,355 --> 00:15:52,115 Speaker 1: a toy that has fascinated Americans since nineteen fifty nine, 239 00:15:52,115 --> 00:15:55,795 Speaker 1: and the answer is there is no meaning. The meaning 240 00:15:55,915 --> 00:16:00,395 Speaker 1: is it's a toy, and the best or worst of 241 00:16:00,435 --> 00:16:03,955 Speaker 1: them all, right wing buffoon Ben Shapiro is now forever 242 00:16:04,075 --> 00:16:07,475 Speaker 1: linked tossing up in the same outfit Ken Wars in 243 00:16:07,515 --> 00:16:11,675 Speaker 1: the film, then burning the Barbie doll because it was 244 00:16:11,955 --> 00:16:14,635 Speaker 1: one of the most woke movies I have ever seen, 245 00:16:14,995 --> 00:16:18,835 Speaker 1: and noting go woke, Go broke, only to find out 246 00:16:18,875 --> 00:16:21,715 Speaker 1: a few days later that in its opening weekend, Barbie 247 00:16:21,715 --> 00:16:39,755 Speaker 1: made three hundred and thirty seven million dollars worldwide. Thank 248 00:16:39,795 --> 00:16:43,555 Speaker 1: you Nancy Faust and Dateline, New York. One of my 249 00:16:43,635 --> 00:16:46,955 Speaker 1: neighbors died on Friday. I met him six or seven 250 00:16:47,035 --> 00:16:50,755 Speaker 1: years ago in Central Park, not far from our homes. Actually, 251 00:16:50,795 --> 00:16:53,995 Speaker 1: our dogs met I had two then, one of them, 252 00:16:54,075 --> 00:16:58,275 Speaker 1: Rose does not like other dogs, so as we approached 253 00:16:58,315 --> 00:17:02,515 Speaker 1: a Maltese and its two humans near the waffle truck 254 00:17:02,595 --> 00:17:05,635 Speaker 1: in Central Park, I prepared for the worst, but Rose 255 00:17:05,875 --> 00:17:08,915 Speaker 1: liked Happy, as I soon learned the pup was named, 256 00:17:09,275 --> 00:17:12,355 Speaker 1: And as the three dogs played happies, Bipeds and I 257 00:17:12,475 --> 00:17:17,035 Speaker 1: started chatting about dogs and Malteses and the ages of dogs, 258 00:17:17,115 --> 00:17:19,715 Speaker 1: and what to do about red tear stains and the 259 00:17:19,715 --> 00:17:22,875 Speaker 1: neighborhood and who we knew in the place. And finally, 260 00:17:22,995 --> 00:17:25,995 Speaker 1: after about six or seven minutes of this, Happy's male 261 00:17:26,155 --> 00:17:31,155 Speaker 1: Biped and I realized simultaneously that we recognized each other. 262 00:17:31,995 --> 00:17:36,075 Speaker 1: I know you, he said, I miss your show. Tony 263 00:17:36,075 --> 00:17:41,075 Speaker 1: Bennett said, you're You're. I could see the look of 264 00:17:41,115 --> 00:17:43,315 Speaker 1: alarm as I began to tell Tony Bennett he was 265 00:17:43,315 --> 00:17:46,715 Speaker 1: Tony Bennett. Obviously, Tony Bennett did not want anybody announcing 266 00:17:46,795 --> 00:17:48,635 Speaker 1: his presence in the middle of a crowded part of 267 00:17:48,675 --> 00:17:51,475 Speaker 1: Central Park where there was a line to the waffle truck. 268 00:17:52,035 --> 00:17:56,875 Speaker 1: I know you You're You're Happy's dad, he laughed. We shook hands. 269 00:17:56,915 --> 00:17:59,275 Speaker 1: He introduced me to his wife, and now I noticed 270 00:17:59,315 --> 00:18:02,595 Speaker 1: he had grown a mustache. Always wanted to try one. 271 00:18:03,075 --> 00:18:05,555 Speaker 1: What do you think I think I should have had 272 00:18:05,595 --> 00:18:10,235 Speaker 1: one all these years? Now we talked about mustaches. At ninety, 273 00:18:10,835 --> 00:18:13,955 Speaker 1: Tony Bennett was growing a mustache. From what he said, 274 00:18:13,995 --> 00:18:16,155 Speaker 1: it was for the first time, and he was thinking 275 00:18:16,155 --> 00:18:20,115 Speaker 1: that the previous seventy years without having a mustache were 276 00:18:20,155 --> 00:18:23,235 Speaker 1: flawed in some way, and anybody who can be as 277 00:18:23,275 --> 00:18:27,075 Speaker 1: forward looking at age ninety as to reassess something as 278 00:18:27,115 --> 00:18:32,075 Speaker 1: fundamental as facial hair had my eternal respect. Well, it 279 00:18:32,075 --> 00:18:36,675 Speaker 1: turned out we lived a block apart. His friend, her 280 00:18:36,755 --> 00:18:38,795 Speaker 1: name was Gaga, I think, used to live in the 281 00:18:38,835 --> 00:18:42,595 Speaker 1: apartment above mine. I used to see him periodically in 282 00:18:42,635 --> 00:18:44,595 Speaker 1: the years afterwards in the park, and I made a 283 00:18:44,595 --> 00:18:48,315 Speaker 1: big deal about Happy. Tony always showed up on Twitter 284 00:18:48,355 --> 00:18:51,635 Speaker 1: with his dog Happy. You know by now about his 285 00:18:51,675 --> 00:18:53,875 Speaker 1: having been one of the American soldiers at the liberation 286 00:18:53,955 --> 00:18:57,035 Speaker 1: of Dacau, and how he recovered from drug abuse in 287 00:18:57,075 --> 00:19:00,795 Speaker 1: a time when it killed musicians' careers and killed musicians 288 00:19:01,155 --> 00:19:03,755 Speaker 1: and his participation in the Selma marches, and that the 289 00:19:03,835 --> 00:19:06,755 Speaker 1: singular voice of his was just one part of an 290 00:19:06,755 --> 00:19:11,155 Speaker 1: extraordinarily multifaceted life. And now you know about him and 291 00:19:11,195 --> 00:19:14,395 Speaker 1: his malteses and me and my mal teses, and how 292 00:19:14,435 --> 00:19:18,035 Speaker 1: one of my favorite neighbors to run into was probably 293 00:19:18,075 --> 00:19:22,115 Speaker 1: the most famous person in the neighborhood in either role. 294 00:19:22,835 --> 00:19:38,595 Speaker 1: I will miss him very much. Still ahead on an 295 00:19:38,595 --> 00:19:41,155 Speaker 1: all new edition of Countdown. There are two new Baseball 296 00:19:41,195 --> 00:19:43,315 Speaker 1: Hall of Famers this week. One of them hit four 297 00:19:43,355 --> 00:19:46,555 Speaker 1: hundred and ninety three home runs, not one of them 298 00:19:46,595 --> 00:19:49,315 Speaker 1: for the team that originally signed him, the New York Yankees. 299 00:19:49,835 --> 00:19:53,795 Speaker 1: Fifteen years ago. I was told a franchise secret as 300 00:19:53,915 --> 00:19:57,795 Speaker 1: to how the Yankees managed to trade Fred McGriff and 301 00:19:57,875 --> 00:20:02,395 Speaker 1: got nothing for him. Basically, an active Yankees player made 302 00:20:02,475 --> 00:20:06,315 Speaker 1: the trade happen, unbeliev I will tell this story in 303 00:20:06,395 --> 00:20:09,235 Speaker 1: Things I promised not to tell first time for the 304 00:20:09,275 --> 00:20:11,675 Speaker 1: daily roundup of the miss Grants, morons and Dunning Kruger 305 00:20:11,715 --> 00:20:15,235 Speaker 1: effects specimens who constitute two days worse persons in the world. 306 00:20:15,955 --> 00:20:20,955 Speaker 1: The Bronze Fox quote news unquote. It has run countless 307 00:20:20,955 --> 00:20:24,355 Speaker 1: segments plus several website stories about how the American Women's 308 00:20:24,395 --> 00:20:28,395 Speaker 1: World Cup soccer team mostly did not sing the national 309 00:20:28,435 --> 00:20:31,955 Speaker 1: anthem as it played before the first match of their tournament. 310 00:20:32,515 --> 00:20:35,315 Speaker 1: Fox even showed a picture of Megan Rappino taking a 311 00:20:35,395 --> 00:20:39,915 Speaker 1: knee during an anthem at a game seven years ago. 312 00:20:41,235 --> 00:20:44,435 Speaker 1: A that's what we have our military do, stand in 313 00:20:44,475 --> 00:20:48,035 Speaker 1: respectful silence, especially at international events during our anthem. B 314 00:20:48,795 --> 00:20:52,355 Speaker 1: Fox's broadcast network and its sports network claim to carry 315 00:20:52,395 --> 00:20:57,115 Speaker 1: something like seven thousand hours of live sporting events annually. 316 00:20:57,195 --> 00:21:00,035 Speaker 1: And ask yourself this question. How many times a year 317 00:21:00,075 --> 00:21:06,715 Speaker 1: does Fox televise the national anthem? Once at the Super Bowl? 318 00:21:07,515 --> 00:21:12,475 Speaker 1: So why does Fox hate our national anthem? The runner 319 00:21:12,555 --> 00:21:15,195 Speaker 1: up Elon Musk, Yeah, you know already what he did. 320 00:21:15,235 --> 00:21:19,235 Speaker 1: He took a business that had its own proprietary verb 321 00:21:19,755 --> 00:21:22,715 Speaker 1: to tweet, and he threw it away because the name 322 00:21:22,835 --> 00:21:26,275 Speaker 1: Twitter was not something he could take credit for. And 323 00:21:26,355 --> 00:21:29,435 Speaker 1: taking credit for the work and creativity of others is 324 00:21:29,555 --> 00:21:33,715 Speaker 1: all Elon Musk can do. He tried this before when 325 00:21:33,755 --> 00:21:36,595 Speaker 1: one of his companies merged with PayPal, and he wanted 326 00:21:36,635 --> 00:21:39,675 Speaker 1: the name PayPal removed even though people used it as 327 00:21:39,675 --> 00:21:42,115 Speaker 1: a verb too, and he wanted to call it x 328 00:21:42,395 --> 00:21:44,995 Speaker 1: or x PayPal because again, if he can't claim credit 329 00:21:45,035 --> 00:21:48,715 Speaker 1: for it out it goes one joke and one PostScript 330 00:21:48,755 --> 00:21:52,635 Speaker 1: to Twitter X or ex Twitter. Musk had the name 331 00:21:52,755 --> 00:21:56,275 Speaker 1: Twitter stripped off its headquarters in San Francisco yesterday, but 332 00:21:56,355 --> 00:21:58,795 Speaker 1: he failed to get approval from the city first for 333 00:21:58,835 --> 00:22:01,955 Speaker 1: the heavy equipment to do that, so the cops stopped 334 00:22:01,955 --> 00:22:04,355 Speaker 1: it after the first five letters had been pulled down, 335 00:22:04,755 --> 00:22:10,915 Speaker 1: so now it just reads er. Also the joke, he's 336 00:22:10,995 --> 00:22:16,035 Speaker 1: calling it X because Putin already took Z. But the 337 00:22:16,035 --> 00:22:20,235 Speaker 1: winner the One World Observatory, which is the observation deck 338 00:22:20,275 --> 00:22:22,795 Speaker 1: atop the World Trade Center in New York. It has 339 00:22:22,835 --> 00:22:25,195 Speaker 1: a Twitter account which basically exists to try to sell 340 00:22:25,195 --> 00:22:28,235 Speaker 1: you tickets that cost as much as seventy four dollars 341 00:22:28,275 --> 00:22:31,195 Speaker 1: to go to the observatory, and it does this by 342 00:22:31,195 --> 00:22:33,395 Speaker 1: showing you photos taken from the top of the building 343 00:22:33,515 --> 00:22:36,195 Speaker 1: or photos of the top of the building. Its latest 344 00:22:36,355 --> 00:22:39,875 Speaker 1: is the latter, a photo of the building captured quote 345 00:22:40,115 --> 00:22:44,315 Speaker 1: captivating moments in broad daylight at One World Observatory. The 346 00:22:44,435 --> 00:22:48,035 Speaker 1: image is of the World Trade Center in daylight. At 347 00:22:48,075 --> 00:22:50,395 Speaker 1: about two inches to the right of the building in 348 00:22:50,435 --> 00:22:56,235 Speaker 1: the photo is a passenger jet. So the advertisement to 349 00:22:56,275 --> 00:22:59,075 Speaker 1: get you to go to the World Trade Center Observation 350 00:22:59,235 --> 00:23:02,795 Speaker 1: deck is a photo of the World Trade Center with 351 00:23:02,955 --> 00:23:07,635 Speaker 1: a plane next to it. The folks at one World 352 00:23:07,635 --> 00:23:12,955 Speaker 1: Observatory at the World Trade Center never forget, except you 353 00:23:13,035 --> 00:23:30,635 Speaker 1: forgot Today's worst persons in the world. Shoe the number 354 00:23:30,675 --> 00:23:33,315 Speaker 1: one story on this all new edition of Countdown and 355 00:23:33,395 --> 00:23:37,235 Speaker 1: my favorite topic, me and Baseball's new Hall of Famers 356 00:23:37,795 --> 00:23:41,475 Speaker 1: inducted Sunday. And even though Fred McGriff and Scott Roland 357 00:23:41,475 --> 00:23:44,915 Speaker 1: are the Hall of Famers, remember this segment is about me. 358 00:23:46,955 --> 00:23:50,115 Speaker 1: Fifteen years ago or so, I was having dinner in 359 00:23:50,155 --> 00:23:52,755 Speaker 1: the press room at Yankee Stadium in New York with 360 00:23:52,875 --> 00:23:55,475 Speaker 1: the then vice president of the Yankees in charge of 361 00:23:55,555 --> 00:23:58,755 Speaker 1: keeping all the other vice presidents from screwing things up, 362 00:23:59,515 --> 00:24:01,675 Speaker 1: the man who was their former general manager, their former 363 00:24:01,715 --> 00:24:05,555 Speaker 1: field manager twice, and in my youth, their starting shortstop, 364 00:24:05,715 --> 00:24:10,555 Speaker 1: Jean stick Michael. Of all the hundreds of people who 365 00:24:10,635 --> 00:24:14,715 Speaker 1: worked for George Steinbrenner when he lived and owned the Yankees, 366 00:24:15,555 --> 00:24:19,475 Speaker 1: none has ever been more undisturbed by the experience. Geen 367 00:24:19,555 --> 00:24:22,515 Speaker 1: Michael took the abuse, Jean Michael took the money. Jean 368 00:24:22,675 --> 00:24:25,795 Speaker 1: Michael took the plane out of town, and when George 369 00:24:25,795 --> 00:24:28,035 Speaker 1: offered him more money to come back, Jeene Michael took 370 00:24:28,075 --> 00:24:32,195 Speaker 1: the plane back into town. He was also a delightful man, 371 00:24:32,235 --> 00:24:35,115 Speaker 1: possibly the nicest man to work for the Yankees under 372 00:24:35,195 --> 00:24:39,755 Speaker 1: George Steinbrenner, and he continuously, for the length of time 373 00:24:39,795 --> 00:24:43,035 Speaker 1: I knew him, tried to coach me on how to 374 00:24:43,115 --> 00:24:45,595 Speaker 1: improve something from the TV show, the bit at the 375 00:24:45,715 --> 00:24:47,595 Speaker 1: end when I would crumple up a piece of copy 376 00:24:47,635 --> 00:24:50,995 Speaker 1: paper and throw it at the camera. If you just 377 00:24:51,075 --> 00:24:54,275 Speaker 1: tighten up that wadded up piece of paper, it'll move better, 378 00:24:54,275 --> 00:24:56,395 Speaker 1: You'll have more control of it. You'll actually hit that camera. 379 00:24:56,675 --> 00:24:58,795 Speaker 1: As I said to him, stick, you understand, this is 380 00:24:59,155 --> 00:25:01,635 Speaker 1: the shortstop of the Yankees from when I was a kid, 381 00:25:01,755 --> 00:25:04,395 Speaker 1: from when I was nine until when I was fifteen, 382 00:25:04,795 --> 00:25:08,115 Speaker 1: and he's explaining to me how to improve my throwing. 383 00:25:08,675 --> 00:25:13,435 Speaker 1: This is surreal anyway. For whatever reason, that night we 384 00:25:13,475 --> 00:25:16,715 Speaker 1: started talking about terrible trades made by the Yankees, and 385 00:25:16,835 --> 00:25:19,395 Speaker 1: lord knows there were enough of them, and Gene confirmed 386 00:25:19,435 --> 00:25:22,115 Speaker 1: that most of them, when he was nominally in charge, 387 00:25:22,355 --> 00:25:25,995 Speaker 1: were foisted on him by that singular owner, George Steinbrenner. 388 00:25:26,755 --> 00:25:30,435 Speaker 1: When George got suspended from baseball for paying a small 389 00:25:30,515 --> 00:25:33,755 Speaker 1: time hood for blackmail against one of his own players, 390 00:25:33,835 --> 00:25:35,755 Speaker 1: Dave Winfield. And by the way, it was a small 391 00:25:35,795 --> 00:25:39,355 Speaker 1: timehood whom I once employed as a radio stringer, a 392 00:25:39,395 --> 00:25:43,515 Speaker 1: guy named Howard Spira. George, being suspended, was unable to 393 00:25:43,555 --> 00:25:46,435 Speaker 1: make any more of those terrible trades, which were always 394 00:25:46,435 --> 00:25:50,475 Speaker 1: young players like Jay Buhner for gaudy baubles like Ken Phelps. 395 00:25:50,675 --> 00:25:53,715 Speaker 1: You may have heard about that one on Seinfeld, or 396 00:25:53,715 --> 00:25:56,715 Speaker 1: there were trades he wanted to make, like sending a 397 00:25:56,715 --> 00:26:00,955 Speaker 1: pitcher named Marianna Rivera to Seattle again for a shortstop 398 00:26:00,995 --> 00:26:03,635 Speaker 1: named Felix for mean, because George did not think his 399 00:26:03,835 --> 00:26:05,835 Speaker 1: rookie shorts s eye that year was going to make it. 400 00:26:05,955 --> 00:26:11,995 Speaker 1: His rookie shortstop that year was named Derek Jeter. So 401 00:26:12,155 --> 00:26:15,275 Speaker 1: within a few years, the players that Steinbrenner could not 402 00:26:15,515 --> 00:26:19,915 Speaker 1: trade won four World's Championships in five years, including fourteen 403 00:26:19,955 --> 00:26:23,035 Speaker 1: consecutive World Series games. And I don't think we'll ever 404 00:26:23,035 --> 00:26:27,875 Speaker 1: see anything like that again. So, talking about those terrible trades, 405 00:26:28,075 --> 00:26:31,795 Speaker 1: without which the Yankees might have won ten World's Championships 406 00:26:31,835 --> 00:26:36,235 Speaker 1: over fifteen years, we naturally came to the Fred McGriff trade. 407 00:26:36,955 --> 00:26:39,555 Speaker 1: On December ninth, nineteen eighty two, the Yankees traded Fred 408 00:26:39,635 --> 00:26:43,555 Speaker 1: McGriff to the Toronto Blue Jays with outfielder Dave Collins 409 00:26:44,075 --> 00:26:48,635 Speaker 1: and pitcher Mike Morgan for a relief pitcher named Dale Murray. 410 00:26:49,555 --> 00:26:51,755 Speaker 1: Fred McGriff went on to hit four hundred and ninety 411 00:26:51,755 --> 00:26:54,675 Speaker 1: three home runs plus two more against the Yankees in 412 00:26:54,675 --> 00:26:57,475 Speaker 1: the nineteen ninety six World Series and reached the Hall 413 00:26:57,475 --> 00:27:00,315 Speaker 1: of Fame and never play one day with the team 414 00:27:00,355 --> 00:27:03,435 Speaker 1: that drafted him. Dale Murray pitched in sixty two games 415 00:27:03,435 --> 00:27:11,035 Speaker 1: for the Yankees and got a save one save. The 416 00:27:11,115 --> 00:27:15,595 Speaker 1: McGriff trade Stick said that one was Lou. I was 417 00:27:15,675 --> 00:27:21,435 Speaker 1: very confused, Lou Stick, You mean George, right, Lou, I 418 00:27:21,475 --> 00:27:25,595 Speaker 1: said Lou Panella. He wasn't general manager. Then he wasn't 419 00:27:25,635 --> 00:27:30,195 Speaker 1: general manager for another five years, exactly, said Gene Michael, 420 00:27:30,235 --> 00:27:32,595 Speaker 1: matter of factly. That was the problem. Lou was still 421 00:27:32,595 --> 00:27:35,315 Speaker 1: a player. He took a bite out of his meal. 422 00:27:36,235 --> 00:27:38,595 Speaker 1: Blue Jays went around Bill Burgish. I think Bill was 423 00:27:38,635 --> 00:27:40,755 Speaker 1: the general manager and I was the vice president, or 424 00:27:40,795 --> 00:27:42,875 Speaker 1: the other way around, I don't remember. And he went 425 00:27:42,915 --> 00:27:46,635 Speaker 1: around me, and he went to George and he offered 426 00:27:46,635 --> 00:27:49,795 Speaker 1: to take Dave Collins off his hands and give him 427 00:27:49,875 --> 00:27:52,555 Speaker 1: Dale Murray, and all they wanted was his minor league 428 00:27:52,635 --> 00:27:56,795 Speaker 1: kid named McGriff or something. So naturally, George didn't tell 429 00:27:56,835 --> 00:27:58,515 Speaker 1: Bill or me because he knew if there was a 430 00:27:58,515 --> 00:28:01,195 Speaker 1: minor leaguer involved, we'd try to stop it. He just 431 00:28:01,275 --> 00:28:04,635 Speaker 1: called Lou Panella instead. Now, look, the first rule of 432 00:28:04,795 --> 00:28:09,275 Speaker 1: trades is never ask a player about a trade, because 433 00:28:09,395 --> 00:28:13,115 Speaker 1: what can happen next is, well, what actually happened next? 434 00:28:13,795 --> 00:28:17,155 Speaker 1: Lou said, George, you mean to tell me you have 435 00:28:17,195 --> 00:28:20,275 Speaker 1: the chance to get Dale Murray. Dale Murray is the 436 00:28:20,315 --> 00:28:24,395 Speaker 1: toughest relief pitcher in the American League, George, and you 437 00:28:24,435 --> 00:28:27,435 Speaker 1: get rid of that terrible contract you signed Dave Collins too. 438 00:28:28,235 --> 00:28:31,835 Speaker 1: Don't hesitate. Take it before they change their minds. That's 439 00:28:31,875 --> 00:28:35,195 Speaker 1: what George did, Stick said, I found out about it 440 00:28:35,235 --> 00:28:38,835 Speaker 1: when I heard about it on the radio. I sat there, 441 00:28:39,035 --> 00:28:43,275 Speaker 1: unable to speak. Finally, I asked Jean Michael why Penella 442 00:28:43,355 --> 00:28:45,795 Speaker 1: thought Dale Murray was the toughest relief pitcher in the 443 00:28:45,795 --> 00:28:48,115 Speaker 1: American League, when in fact, he was not even the 444 00:28:48,115 --> 00:28:52,515 Speaker 1: toughest relief pitcher in the American League named Dale. See, 445 00:28:53,155 --> 00:28:55,835 Speaker 1: that's why you don't ask a player about a trade. 446 00:28:56,435 --> 00:28:58,835 Speaker 1: Dale Murray was tough on only one hitter in the 447 00:28:58,955 --> 00:29:02,395 Speaker 1: entire American League, and the hitter was Lou Panella. Lou 448 00:29:02,475 --> 00:29:04,995 Speaker 1: could not buy a hit off of him, could never 449 00:29:05,035 --> 00:29:08,115 Speaker 1: pick up the ball in Dale Murray's delivery. There was 450 00:29:08,155 --> 00:29:10,355 Speaker 1: only one guy Dale Murray could get out. It was 451 00:29:10,435 --> 00:29:13,155 Speaker 1: Lou Panella. Of course, lou Panella thought he was the toughest. 452 00:29:13,195 --> 00:29:16,595 Speaker 1: He was the toughest on Lou Penella. And that's why 453 00:29:17,515 --> 00:29:20,235 Speaker 1: Fred McGriff went into the Hall of Fame with a 454 00:29:20,275 --> 00:29:23,475 Speaker 1: plaque on which he is not wearing a New York 455 00:29:23,555 --> 00:29:28,355 Speaker 1: Yankees cap on his head. The player Fred McGriff was 456 00:29:28,355 --> 00:29:31,795 Speaker 1: inducted into the Hall of Fame with Scott Rowland him 457 00:29:32,475 --> 00:29:35,435 Speaker 1: I have a far more personal connection to. In the 458 00:29:35,435 --> 00:29:37,355 Speaker 1: summer of nineteen ninety six, I got a note from 459 00:29:37,435 --> 00:29:41,635 Speaker 1: Bill Robinson like Panella, a long ago New York Yankees outfielder, 460 00:29:41,675 --> 00:29:43,835 Speaker 1: who I had met as a kid, and who I 461 00:29:43,875 --> 00:29:45,275 Speaker 1: gotten to know a little bit when he was with 462 00:29:45,355 --> 00:29:47,755 Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Pirates, and who I got to know a 463 00:29:47,795 --> 00:29:49,595 Speaker 1: little bit better when he was a terrific coach with 464 00:29:49,635 --> 00:29:52,635 Speaker 1: the New York Mets. In nineteen ninety six, Robbie was 465 00:29:52,635 --> 00:29:54,835 Speaker 1: trying his hand at managing in the minor leagues. He 466 00:29:54,875 --> 00:29:57,995 Speaker 1: was managing the Phillies, second level farm club, the one 467 00:29:57,995 --> 00:30:01,355 Speaker 1: that played at Reading, Pennsylvania in the Eastern League. The 468 00:30:01,435 --> 00:30:04,915 Speaker 1: Eastern League had a team in New Britain, Connecticut. Let 469 00:30:04,995 --> 00:30:07,915 Speaker 1: me say that correctly in the local vernacular, New Britain, 470 00:30:09,075 --> 00:30:11,715 Speaker 1: and it's ballpark which looked like something out of the 471 00:30:11,755 --> 00:30:14,995 Speaker 1: seventeenth century, but in fact had been built like two 472 00:30:15,155 --> 00:30:18,915 Speaker 1: years earlier. It was literally fifteen minutes from my house 473 00:30:19,195 --> 00:30:22,875 Speaker 1: and thirty minutes for my office at ESPN. Boy, we 474 00:30:22,955 --> 00:30:25,355 Speaker 1: go buy that exit for ESPN. Every time we go 475 00:30:25,435 --> 00:30:28,595 Speaker 1: to New Britain, Bill Robinson said, players all say, why 476 00:30:28,635 --> 00:30:30,515 Speaker 1: don't we get off here and go see their studios. 477 00:30:31,435 --> 00:30:33,995 Speaker 1: So Bill offered me a deal. If I would take 478 00:30:34,035 --> 00:30:36,235 Speaker 1: his team on a tour of ESPN, he would have 479 00:30:36,355 --> 00:30:40,155 Speaker 1: me join the Redding Phillies for one day as a coach. 480 00:30:41,035 --> 00:30:45,395 Speaker 1: I would get a uniform, spikes defensive charts to keep 481 00:30:45,435 --> 00:30:47,435 Speaker 1: to fill out during the game, and I would sit 482 00:30:47,515 --> 00:30:50,675 Speaker 1: on the bench with him during it. Guys will get 483 00:30:50,675 --> 00:30:52,035 Speaker 1: a kick out of it. Plus you get to meet 484 00:30:52,075 --> 00:30:56,595 Speaker 1: our top prospect, this kid, Scott Roland. So we made 485 00:30:56,595 --> 00:30:59,995 Speaker 1: that deal. We did the ESPN tour. I went over 486 00:31:00,035 --> 00:31:02,395 Speaker 1: to the New Britain Ballpark late one afternoon, and sure 487 00:31:02,475 --> 00:31:05,355 Speaker 1: enough they had a uniform that'd fit a pitcher named 488 00:31:05,395 --> 00:31:08,755 Speaker 1: Wayne Gomes loaned me a pair of his size fourteen shoes, 489 00:31:09,515 --> 00:31:11,875 Speaker 1: and they gave me the defensive chart book and showed 490 00:31:11,875 --> 00:31:13,315 Speaker 1: me how to use it. And there I was, for 491 00:31:13,395 --> 00:31:16,795 Speaker 1: one day the bench coach of the Redding Phillies of 492 00:31:16,835 --> 00:31:21,875 Speaker 1: the Eastern League. Somewhere it would say Olderman was in 493 00:31:21,915 --> 00:31:27,115 Speaker 1: professional baseball for one day as a coach. This kid 494 00:31:27,195 --> 00:31:30,115 Speaker 1: Roland was cordial, very nice, but he was so far 495 00:31:30,275 --> 00:31:32,755 Speaker 1: out in front of everybody else on that team and 496 00:31:32,835 --> 00:31:35,155 Speaker 1: in that league that he barely had to pay attention. 497 00:31:35,555 --> 00:31:38,235 Speaker 1: He spent much of his time in the dugout practicing 498 00:31:38,275 --> 00:31:41,075 Speaker 1: his golf swing with imaginary clubs, and then he'd go 499 00:31:41,195 --> 00:31:42,875 Speaker 1: up to the plate and hit the ball off the 500 00:31:42,915 --> 00:31:47,955 Speaker 1: outfield fence. Bill Robinson told me stories of breaking into 501 00:31:47,955 --> 00:31:51,435 Speaker 1: the majors as a rookie as a teammate of Mickey Madtle, 502 00:31:51,635 --> 00:31:54,115 Speaker 1: so I told him stories about Mickey Maddle asking me 503 00:31:54,235 --> 00:31:57,995 Speaker 1: for advice on how to do interviews. The players were great, 504 00:31:58,035 --> 00:31:59,875 Speaker 1: We all had a good time, and around about the 505 00:31:59,955 --> 00:32:04,435 Speaker 1: seventh inning, I found myself sort of pinned between two players. 506 00:32:05,235 --> 00:32:07,955 Speaker 1: I don't have any notes or photos from this game. 507 00:32:08,555 --> 00:32:10,955 Speaker 1: To my surprise, I did not even write down what 508 00:32:11,115 --> 00:32:14,075 Speaker 1: number was on my uniform, which leads me to think 509 00:32:14,515 --> 00:32:18,075 Speaker 1: the uniform may have been blank without a number. But 510 00:32:18,275 --> 00:32:20,595 Speaker 1: I look at the roster of your nineteen ninety six 511 00:32:20,635 --> 00:32:23,315 Speaker 1: Reading Phillies, and I am certain one of the guys 512 00:32:24,115 --> 00:32:28,755 Speaker 1: wedged next to me was a baseball lifer named Matt Giuliano, 513 00:32:28,835 --> 00:32:31,795 Speaker 1: and the other guy on the other side wedged next 514 00:32:31,795 --> 00:32:35,315 Speaker 1: to me was a utility player named Doug Angeli. So 515 00:32:35,435 --> 00:32:38,595 Speaker 1: the three of us, Matt and me and probably Doug, 516 00:32:39,115 --> 00:32:41,875 Speaker 1: were immersed in a conversation about something when one of 517 00:32:41,915 --> 00:32:46,075 Speaker 1: them suddenly shouted towards the home played umpire hunter Wendelstett, 518 00:32:46,715 --> 00:32:51,235 Speaker 1: Hey blue, Where the hell was that? Pitch? Blue? Not 519 00:32:51,715 --> 00:32:55,435 Speaker 1: an uncommon event at a baseball game, nor an uncommon quote. 520 00:32:55,755 --> 00:33:00,195 Speaker 1: What happened next was uncommon. The umpire hunter Wendelstett took 521 00:33:00,195 --> 00:33:03,755 Speaker 1: off his mask and walked towards our dugout who said that, 522 00:33:04,715 --> 00:33:08,075 Speaker 1: and the two guys on either side of me, the 523 00:33:08,115 --> 00:33:16,835 Speaker 1: two Redding Phillies, both immediately simultaneously pointed at me, him Hunter, 524 00:33:18,315 --> 00:33:24,595 Speaker 1: and Hunter Wendelstett promptly threw me out of the game. 525 00:33:26,355 --> 00:33:29,715 Speaker 1: The Redding bench cracked up. There were players doubled over 526 00:33:29,995 --> 00:33:34,075 Speaker 1: in laughter. I thought it was funny, but I also 527 00:33:34,155 --> 00:33:36,355 Speaker 1: assumed it was a gag within a gag, and they 528 00:33:36,355 --> 00:33:39,315 Speaker 1: had not really set me up to be ejected from 529 00:33:39,315 --> 00:33:42,635 Speaker 1: my only game that might be registered somewhere as my 530 00:33:42,835 --> 00:33:45,635 Speaker 1: day as a baseball coach in uniform for a professional team. 531 00:33:45,675 --> 00:33:47,635 Speaker 1: So I just sat there on the bench. Come on, 532 00:33:47,835 --> 00:33:52,155 Speaker 1: con Wendelstett shouted at me. Now. The manager Bill Robinson 533 00:33:52,195 --> 00:33:54,755 Speaker 1: came back over. He said, you better go. He's serious, 534 00:33:56,075 --> 00:33:58,835 Speaker 1: and so I decided, well, I better get my money's worth. 535 00:34:00,195 --> 00:34:03,035 Speaker 1: I ran out of the dugout towards Hunter Wendelstett and 536 00:34:03,075 --> 00:34:05,795 Speaker 1: started screaming at him. But I switched up. Everything I 537 00:34:05,835 --> 00:34:09,475 Speaker 1: said was a compliment. Your strike zone has been superb tonight, 538 00:34:10,035 --> 00:34:12,275 Speaker 1: and then you'll make it to the majors and won't 539 00:34:12,315 --> 00:34:15,435 Speaker 1: beat just because your father is an umpire. And now 540 00:34:15,475 --> 00:34:17,955 Speaker 1: he's telling me to stop complimenting him because he's about 541 00:34:17,955 --> 00:34:20,955 Speaker 1: to bust out laughing. So I said, all right, try 542 00:34:20,955 --> 00:34:24,195 Speaker 1: this instead, and I re enacted something I had read 543 00:34:24,315 --> 00:34:28,915 Speaker 1: years before in Jim Boughton's Matchless Baseball book Ball four, 544 00:34:29,315 --> 00:34:31,555 Speaker 1: something that had been done by the manager of the 545 00:34:31,595 --> 00:34:35,635 Speaker 1: Seattle Pilot's team, Joe Schultz, when he was arguing balls 546 00:34:35,675 --> 00:34:38,835 Speaker 1: and strikes with an umpire. I took off my glasses 547 00:34:39,515 --> 00:34:44,035 Speaker 1: and I offered them to the umpire, and he threw 548 00:34:44,075 --> 00:34:48,835 Speaker 1: me out of the game again. To their credit, after 549 00:34:48,875 --> 00:34:51,155 Speaker 1: the little thing with the glasses, the Reading Phillies, who 550 00:34:51,155 --> 00:34:55,035 Speaker 1: had with Bill Robinson and Hunter Wendelstead and Scott Roland 551 00:34:55,075 --> 00:34:58,915 Speaker 1: all been in on it, stood and applauded my gag. 552 00:34:58,995 --> 00:35:01,715 Speaker 1: As I walked off, I shook a few hands as 553 00:35:01,755 --> 00:35:05,915 Speaker 1: I did, rolling included seeing the big leagues. Rolling off, 554 00:35:05,955 --> 00:35:09,075 Speaker 1: I went, I changed out of the uniform. I went 555 00:35:09,115 --> 00:35:14,275 Speaker 1: home my career over keeping my Redding Phillies game. Used 556 00:35:14,315 --> 00:35:20,075 Speaker 1: hat as my only souvenir of my only game in baseball, well, 557 00:35:20,195 --> 00:35:26,235 Speaker 1: my only seven ninths of a game in baseball. Years later, 558 00:35:26,275 --> 00:35:29,555 Speaker 1: I got Wendelstett back. He was umpiring home plate in 559 00:35:29,555 --> 00:35:31,395 Speaker 1: a game at Yankee Stadium, and I was in my 560 00:35:31,435 --> 00:35:33,915 Speaker 1: seats right behind home plate, and in that moment between 561 00:35:33,915 --> 00:35:36,395 Speaker 1: the anthem and the first pitch, he was scanning the 562 00:35:36,475 --> 00:35:40,915 Speaker 1: stands and doing the whole. I'm the empire, I'm in charge, 563 00:35:40,995 --> 00:35:44,195 Speaker 1: I'm cool bit And as he swept the stands with 564 00:35:44,235 --> 00:35:47,595 Speaker 1: his gaze, just as he reached my spot, I screamed, 565 00:35:48,275 --> 00:35:54,075 Speaker 1: when does that revenge? And now he's cracking up. Only 566 00:35:54,115 --> 00:35:55,715 Speaker 1: it's the start of a big league game. We're not 567 00:35:55,795 --> 00:35:59,515 Speaker 1: in New Britain anymore. He came over between innings. He 568 00:35:59,555 --> 00:36:01,795 Speaker 1: handed me a couple of Baseball's as souvenirs, and then 569 00:36:01,835 --> 00:36:03,275 Speaker 1: he invited me out for a drink. We had a 570 00:36:03,275 --> 00:36:07,755 Speaker 1: great visit. Roland, who was called up by the Big 571 00:36:07,835 --> 00:36:10,675 Speaker 1: League Philadelphia Phillies no more than six weeks after this 572 00:36:10,795 --> 00:36:13,515 Speaker 1: happened in nineteen ninety six and one Rookie of the 573 00:36:13,635 --> 00:36:16,195 Speaker 1: Year and then eight Gold Gloves and finally went into 574 00:36:16,195 --> 00:36:19,115 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame comes back into this story eight 575 00:36:19,235 --> 00:36:23,835 Speaker 1: or ten years after the incident with the yelling at 576 00:36:23,875 --> 00:36:26,955 Speaker 1: the umpire stuff. The next time I saw him was 577 00:36:26,995 --> 00:36:28,635 Speaker 1: eight or ten years later. He was with the Saint 578 00:36:28,675 --> 00:36:31,195 Speaker 1: Louis Cardinals then, and I spotted him on the field 579 00:36:31,235 --> 00:36:32,875 Speaker 1: in New York and I went over to say hello, 580 00:36:32,955 --> 00:36:36,115 Speaker 1: and he beat me to it. Where was it? He said? 581 00:36:37,155 --> 00:36:39,395 Speaker 1: When we punked you? And Wendelstett threw you out of 582 00:36:39,435 --> 00:36:43,275 Speaker 1: the game. Were we with Reading or Scranton? I said, 583 00:36:43,315 --> 00:36:46,435 Speaker 1: it was reading at New Britain. That's right, we got 584 00:36:46,435 --> 00:36:50,035 Speaker 1: the ESPN tour. The look on your face, the look 585 00:36:50,075 --> 00:36:53,995 Speaker 1: on your face was the highlight of my year. And 586 00:36:54,035 --> 00:36:56,715 Speaker 1: I looked at him really quizzically and I said, Scott, 587 00:36:56,755 --> 00:37:00,355 Speaker 1: the highlight of your year that was nineteen ninety six. 588 00:37:00,395 --> 00:37:01,875 Speaker 1: That was the year you got called up to the 589 00:37:01,915 --> 00:37:04,875 Speaker 1: majors and the now Hall of Famer. Scott role and 590 00:37:04,955 --> 00:37:09,115 Speaker 1: laughed and he said, I stand by what I said. 591 00:37:23,115 --> 00:37:24,955 Speaker 1: I've done all the damage I can do here. Thank 592 00:37:24,995 --> 00:37:27,075 Speaker 1: you for listening. Here the credits. Most of the music 593 00:37:27,155 --> 00:37:29,675 Speaker 1: was arranged, produced and performed by Brian Ray and John 594 00:37:29,675 --> 00:37:33,595 Speaker 1: Phillip Shanel, who are the Countdown musical directors. Tars based 595 00:37:33,595 --> 00:37:36,555 Speaker 1: and drums by Brian Ray, All orchestration and keyboards by 596 00:37:36,595 --> 00:37:40,875 Speaker 1: John Phillip Shanel, produced by Tko Brothers. Other Beethoven selections 597 00:37:40,875 --> 00:37:43,515 Speaker 1: have been arranged and performed by the group No Horns Allowed. 598 00:37:43,875 --> 00:37:46,635 Speaker 1: The sports music is the Olderman theme from ESPN two, 599 00:37:46,675 --> 00:37:49,915 Speaker 1: when it was written by Mitch Warren Davis. Courtesy of ESPN, Inc. 600 00:37:50,435 --> 00:37:53,875 Speaker 1: Musical comments by Nancy Faust the best baseball stadium organist ever. 601 00:37:54,195 --> 00:37:56,835 Speaker 1: Our announcer today is my friend Larry David, and everything 602 00:37:56,835 --> 00:38:00,315 Speaker 1: else was pretty much my fault. Remember. 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