WEBVTT - From the Vault: To The Escape Pod!

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. And it's vault time.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to climb into the vault, but actually it

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<v Speaker 1>appears to the vault is ceiling behind us and taking

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<v Speaker 1>off into space. Yes, because this is the escape Pod, Joe. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this episode from November is to the escape Pod. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we recorded this a week that you and I

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<v Speaker 1>were both kind of feeling like stopped the planet of

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<v Speaker 1>the Apes. I want to get off. Yeah. And plus

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<v Speaker 1>this one published on on on Thanksgiving, which I think

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times, you know, it's holiday holiday travels,

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<v Speaker 1>the pressures of the American holidays. Uh, the call of

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<v Speaker 1>the escape Pod is often, um, you know, siren like

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<v Speaker 1>and its power. But we also got to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>escape from New York and this one. So anytime you

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<v Speaker 1>get to anytime we get to talk about Escape from

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<v Speaker 1>New York, it's a good time. Yeah. The Donald pleasant

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<v Speaker 1>S egg I'm sure comes up. Well. I hope you

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy this classic episode about escape pods. Welcome to Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>to Blow your Mind from how Stuff Works dot Com.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll follow, Hey, Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick and Robert.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of times on this podcast we end up

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<v Speaker 1>talking about instincts. Yes, we use our instincts to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about instincts, often worse. But one of any animal's deepest

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<v Speaker 1>instincts is the escape instinct. It's right down there with

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<v Speaker 1>the desire for food, water reproduction, but I would say

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even more immediate. And you can definitely see how

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<v Speaker 1>powerful it is by the way that escape instincts, even

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<v Speaker 1>in rational, really high functioning primates like human beings, can

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<v Speaker 1>totally short circuit rational thinking and lead to mass panics

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<v Speaker 1>that kill people. This happens all the time. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>so the escape rive, you know, the fight or flight impulse,

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<v Speaker 1>has been associated in neuroscience with the amygdala and the

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<v Speaker 1>autonomic nervous system, deep deep, primitive old parts of the brain,

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<v Speaker 1>the rat like hind brain, the reptile brain. Right, though

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<v Speaker 1>I have heard people disputing the term reptile brain, I

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<v Speaker 1>do not refer to it as such, and from a

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<v Speaker 1>scientific standpoint, right, But but the idea of the the earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>more primitive parts of the brain that go way back

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<v Speaker 1>in evolutionary history, that is there and so escape is

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<v Speaker 1>is rooted down in those really primitive parts of the brain.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this fundamental, intractable part of human psychology, because think

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<v Speaker 1>about it. When you go into a room, even if

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<v Speaker 1>there's no cause of danger whatsoever, just say it's an

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<v Speaker 1>office Christmas party or something like that. Oh yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>better believe I'm gonna have an escape planet an office.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly what's the first thing you do in your mind?

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<v Speaker 1>If you're like me, it's probably unconscious. You're not consciously

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about it, but you do just sort of take

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<v Speaker 1>note of where all the eggs it's are ye in

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<v Speaker 1>the room? Do you do the same thing, Robert? Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, like the physical exits, it's almost like

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<v Speaker 1>a subconscious thing. But I also will kind of have

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<v Speaker 1>like social exit strategies in mind as well, right right,

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<v Speaker 1>If this gets uncomfortable for any number of reasons, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying like office Christmas parties in particular are uncomfortable,

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<v Speaker 1>but like any social situation that I'm not like one

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable with, I'll have that escape hatch in the back

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<v Speaker 1>of my mind. You know, that's a really good point

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<v Speaker 1>because that kind of shows how our obsession with physical

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<v Speaker 1>escape extends even to our metaphors and our abstract thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you're in an awkward social situation, how do

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<v Speaker 1>I get out? You're in a bad relationship, and you think,

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<v Speaker 1>how do I find a way out of this? You're

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<v Speaker 1>not physically finding a way out, but that that's the

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<v Speaker 1>way your brain goes. It's like the hatch in the

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<v Speaker 1>top of an elevator or the roof of a school bus.

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<v Speaker 1>You're probably not gonna shinny up any any elevator shaft

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<v Speaker 1>cable today, but there's something comfortable about knowing that hatches there.

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<v Speaker 1>Though I have always kind of wanted to do that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but but it's true. I think, always somewhere deep in

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<v Speaker 1>your mind, there is a part of you, mostly unconscious,

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<v Speaker 1>that is obsessed with escape, and it's always doing the

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<v Speaker 1>pre calculations for an escape trajectory. How would I get

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<v Speaker 1>out of here? How how could I get out if

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<v Speaker 1>I had to? So, of course our obsession with escape

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<v Speaker 1>escape routes, flight from danger. It extends to our technology.

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<v Speaker 1>Our technology always reflects our psychology. So when we imagine

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<v Speaker 1>a rebel spaceship fleeing from the galactic empire, we also

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<v Speaker 1>imagine escape pods fleeing from the larger rebel ship. And

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<v Speaker 1>uh no, of course, no science fiction vessel is complete

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<v Speaker 1>without an escape pod. And I think at some point

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<v Speaker 1>this year, I bet, when times were rough and the

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<v Speaker 1>world seemed full of despair, you thought about an escape pod,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't you. Sometime this year many of us have found

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves idly wishing you could just get into the capsule

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<v Speaker 1>and blast away and leave everything behind. The one I

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<v Speaker 1>always come back to in in fiction is the escape

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<v Speaker 1>pod that that that president ideal President Donald Pleasants uses

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<v Speaker 1>um to escape from Air Force one in Escape from

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<v Speaker 1>New York. It's also my favorite, yeah, because it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>so comfy. It's an egg, yeah, and and Pleasants is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of egg like himself, so and it it's just

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<v Speaker 1>his perfect egg that he's able to get into an

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<v Speaker 1>escape from immediate danger into of course more immediate danger. Right. So,

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<v Speaker 1>if you haven't seen the movie President US, President Donald Pleasants,

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<v Speaker 1>which is kind of strange because he has a British accent,

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<v Speaker 1>he gets his plane, gets captured by terrorists who are

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<v Speaker 1>going to kill him and they're gonna crash the plane

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<v Speaker 1>into Manhattan. I believe it was kind of strange. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so Donald pleasants gets into this big egg and he

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<v Speaker 1>gets shot out the back of his airplane to safety.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he says something to his doomed staff like main,

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<v Speaker 1>god watch over you all. But yeah, that's a great one.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are tons of great fictional escape pods there

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<v Speaker 1>in all kinds of James Bond movies. Always when Raker

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<v Speaker 1>had a great one that was kind of like a

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<v Speaker 1>like a sexy um bachelor pad, they're always like that.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some aquatics escape pods in James Bond movies too.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do the escape pods in these movies always have

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<v Speaker 1>like satin sheets and champagne coolers and curtains on the windows.

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<v Speaker 1>It's weird because they're kind of it's kind of there's

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<v Speaker 1>a sense of it being a a comfy little abode

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<v Speaker 1>and like a little bed, but also kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>a little casket. You know, it gets complicated, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>when you start teasing apart how we design our our

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<v Speaker 1>escape pods and how we design our our our coffins.

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<v Speaker 1>You're totally right. It is like a coffin. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>a sexy, sexy coffin. But of course, so we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to look entirely to fiction for examples of escape pods,

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<v Speaker 1>because sometimes we really do build escape capsules of some

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<v Speaker 1>kind into our technologies, especially our vehicles. Um, but why

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<v Speaker 1>would you build escape capsules into real vehicles? Why not

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<v Speaker 1>just have a door? Well, that's kind of an obvious question.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great question. Um. I think one of the

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<v Speaker 1>main area to look for an answer here is in

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<v Speaker 1>the room of aviation and a lot of We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go through several examples that are related to aviation or

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<v Speaker 1>or space exploration because we've all seen like the or

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know about we've all, but I've certainly seen

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<v Speaker 1>my fair share, and I know you've seen your fair

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<v Speaker 1>share of like old serial adventures from the thirties and forties,

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<v Speaker 1>where you have individuals trying to get off of a

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<v Speaker 1>crashing airplane and they're using an obvious set with just

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<v Speaker 1>in abnormally large fuselage, and they're walking with relative ease

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<v Speaker 1>down the aisle of this airplane to go jump out

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<v Speaker 1>of a door out of the the the portal with

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<v Speaker 1>their parachute. And of course, a crashing airplane or an

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<v Speaker 1>out of controlled airplane or airplane in peril is not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be that straightforward a situation generally, right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean a passenger aircraft also are just not made

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<v Speaker 1>to be jumped out of. You can read the whole

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<v Speaker 1>dB Cooper story for yeah, for some more details on this.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a basic need for an escape system be at,

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<v Speaker 1>and be at an ejection seat, which we're not really

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<v Speaker 1>going to get into ejection seats much here that we

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<v Speaker 1>should mention we're all familiar with ejector seats, right, Like

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<v Speaker 1>in top Gun, the ejector seat will propel you up

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<v Speaker 1>the pilot out of the failing aircraft. You deploy a parachute,

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<v Speaker 1>you get the pilot safely to the ground. But generally

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<v Speaker 1>the canopy comes off, though some there are models of

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<v Speaker 1>ejection seats where the canopy did not come off and

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<v Speaker 1>you just blast through the glass. But today we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about escape pods. So when you need this enclosed space,

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<v Speaker 1>when does that come in? Well, it's gonna come when

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<v Speaker 1>you need added protection, certainly when you're dealing with higher altitude,

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<v Speaker 1>higher speed aircraft. And and of course this is just

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<v Speaker 1>on top of we we talked about, you know the

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<v Speaker 1>need for the individual, for the pilot, for the crew

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<v Speaker 1>member to have an escape plan. But of course, just

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<v Speaker 1>to boil down, like the basic economic idea here is

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<v Speaker 1>that human lives are more valuable than machines. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>not in like a moral sense, because most of these

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<v Speaker 1>are war machines designed to like drop nuclear payloads on

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<v Speaker 1>the whole cities. Know what means they cost more to train,

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<v Speaker 1>right right? You need you need highly trained specialist individuals

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<v Speaker 1>who are piloting these aircraft. And even though the aircraft

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<v Speaker 1>costs millions and millions of dollars if it goes down

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<v Speaker 1>in flames, at least you can say in since you're

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<v Speaker 1>saving the brain of the aircraft, you're saving the pilots

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<v Speaker 1>that fluid exactly. So let's look at some examples from

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<v Speaker 1>aviation history of these great Uh, what would you call

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<v Speaker 1>it if? If the pilot being saved from a failing

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<v Speaker 1>aircraft is like saving the brain, the escape pod is

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<v Speaker 1>like the jar that you put the brain in. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So let's look at some of these jars. All right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>so the first one we're gonna bring up, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna I'm gonna try and make sure that we have

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<v Speaker 1>images related to these on the landing page for this

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<v Speaker 1>episode of Stuff to Blow your mind, Dot com because

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna we're gonna try and to describe everything, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know you're gonna you're gonna probably want some visuals.

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<v Speaker 1>So the first one we want to mention here is

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<v Speaker 1>the B fifty eight Hustler, the convey B fifty eight Hustler.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was a bomber that saw service nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 1>through nineteen seventy. About hundred and sixteen were built. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a three man crew. This was a U s

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<v Speaker 1>Air Force US Air Force debuted nineteen fifty six, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was the US Air force Is first operational supersonic bomber.

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<v Speaker 1>It was visually notable because it had these awesome delta wings,

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<v Speaker 1>so it looked like an arrow um and it also

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<v Speaker 1>had a wasp waist fuselage. It was so thin that

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<v Speaker 1>it had to use external bomb pods. Gleaming chrome appearance

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<v Speaker 1>in most of the images you see of it, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it looked like an arrowhead, though maybe an arrowhead either

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<v Speaker 1>pregnant with death or infected with explosive parasites. However you

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<v Speaker 1>want to frame it. It is a very weird and

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<v Speaker 1>very sexy looking aircraft. It's got this this tapered fuselage

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<v Speaker 1>like you're talking about is kind of thin, and the

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<v Speaker 1>in these straight, completely angular wings cutting through it, it's

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<v Speaker 1>cool to look at. Yeah, and I wanna I mention

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<v Speaker 1>this real quick quickly here if it sounds like if

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<v Speaker 1>some people might be thinking, oh, you're awfuly enthusiastic about

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<v Speaker 1>all these awful war machines, Robert, uh, I do have

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<v Speaker 1>to say that I grew up in a household where

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<v Speaker 1>my my dad was a big aviation enthusiast, and uh

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<v Speaker 1>I was really into aviation history, military aviation history. So

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up like with a lot of books about

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<v Speaker 1>these airplanes around, and it seems like there were always

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<v Speaker 1>documentaries on TV about these aircraft. So I have a

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<v Speaker 1>certain fondness for their designs. But back to the so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>sexually looking aircraft. Uh. It initially boasted typical ejection seats,

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<v Speaker 1>so just blast the individual crew members out of the

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<v Speaker 1>imperiled aircraft. But ejection at supersonic speeds proved dangerous. So

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<v Speaker 1>Stanley Aircraft Corporation developed a retrofitted ejection capsule and in

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<v Speaker 1>late nineteen six two and this allowed aircrew to eject

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<v Speaker 1>safely it twice the speed of sound and from as

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<v Speaker 1>high as altitudes of seventy feet or roughly twenty one kilometers.

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<v Speaker 1>That does not sound like a condition in which you

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<v Speaker 1>would want to be ejected naked out of your right,

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<v Speaker 1>have your brain ejective naked or even in a flight

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<v Speaker 1>suit and in a chair. Right, So they came up

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<v Speaker 1>with this capsule. The capsule was essentially a clamshell hood

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<v Speaker 1>that closed over the ejection seat and it was I

0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:29.439
<v Speaker 1>found some some Gatty images on this, and the Getty

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<v Speaker 1>images a database, so some some work that went and

0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:35.839
<v Speaker 1>went into designing this, and it was apparently referred to

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<v Speaker 1>as the torture chamber during development because it I guess,

0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.120
<v Speaker 1>because it kind of looks like an Iron Maiden. It

0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:44.720
<v Speaker 1>really does. Yeah, So this capsule, you have the seat,

0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:46.920
<v Speaker 1>it's like a right angle kind of thing, which is

0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.280
<v Speaker 1>where the crew member would be I guess, but folded

0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:51.280
<v Speaker 1>over the top of it, it looks kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>a It's just this cascading series of metal bands coming down,

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<v Speaker 1>So it looks like a mask that a cinebyte would

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<v Speaker 1>where in one of the Hell raisor sequels, and the

0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.960
<v Speaker 1>cinembyte would be called like shutter face or something. Yeah,

0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:09.439
<v Speaker 1>it's reminiscent a little bit too of of a rolltop desk.

0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, like that, but metal. Yeah, so this

0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:16.400
<v Speaker 1>this that once it's over you, this thing was air tight,

0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:20.800
<v Speaker 1>had an independent oxygen supply supply system that ensured pressurization.

0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:23.760
<v Speaker 1>And this was but one of the things that was

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<v Speaker 1>it was far from fully automated, because I know, when

0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:27.439
<v Speaker 1>you're when you're hearing this, you're reading about it, you're

0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:29.360
<v Speaker 1>imagining like, oh, it shuts over you and then you

0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:32.880
<v Speaker 1>blast out like you're in a science fiction movie. But

0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:35.360
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't. The user still had a number of choices

0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.920
<v Speaker 1>after the clamshell shut. You could continue on to ejection,

0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.480
<v Speaker 1>or you could hold off until the plane made it

0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:46.440
<v Speaker 1>to a lower altitude that didn't demand the pressurization. UM.

0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:50.040
<v Speaker 1>The idea here being, you know that is still incredibly dangerous,

0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:54.000
<v Speaker 1>UM ejecting from the aircraft at high altitudes, even in

0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.760
<v Speaker 1>the capsule. So if the plane is not in just

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<v Speaker 1>complete peril, then maybe it makes sense to wait just

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<v Speaker 1>a minute, right um. And this is the thing we

0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:05.040
<v Speaker 1>should keep in mind throughout the episode. I mean, ejecting

0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:09.079
<v Speaker 1>from an aircraft, uh always comes with risks. You know,

0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.200
<v Speaker 1>when you eject from an aircraft to bail out, there

0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.000
<v Speaker 1>is a certain percent chance that you will be killed

0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:18.320
<v Speaker 1>by the ejection process. That's why it is a last resort,

0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:21.120
<v Speaker 1>is a violent last resort in a in a in

0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:26.040
<v Speaker 1>a terrible dangerous situation. Now, additionally, the pilot's capsule in

0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:29.480
<v Speaker 1>the Hustler contained the control stick and other necessary controls

0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:32.520
<v Speaker 1>to pilot the aircraft to that lower altitude, and then

0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:37.280
<v Speaker 1>communication was maintained capsule to capsule in the airplane. Uh

0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:41.320
<v Speaker 1>So it's this interesting, Um, I love how these capsules

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<v Speaker 1>are not immediate um, immediately exercised from the craft. They're

0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of a part of the craft in peril. So

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of test pilot would volunteer to be the

0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:58.440
<v Speaker 1>first test subject of the torture chamber. Well, it's interesting

0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:02.040
<v Speaker 1>and reading about these different tests because the thing you

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<v Speaker 1>had have you have a fair amount of testing. They

0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:06.400
<v Speaker 1>went into any of these extensive testing even uh, you

0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.400
<v Speaker 1>would have test pilots that are you know, trying them

0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:13.400
<v Speaker 1>out in some cases on the ground. Um, they're loading

0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:16.600
<v Speaker 1>them onto uh, you know, under propelled carts to just

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<v Speaker 1>see how they how the impact affects them. And in

0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:24.240
<v Speaker 1>the case of the hustlers ejection capsules, the U S

0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Air Force used Himalayan and American black bears to test

0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:30.280
<v Speaker 1>the ejection seats. Well, how did I hear you? Right? Yes,

0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:34.400
<v Speaker 1>say that again, Himalayan and American black bears. Uh, none

0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:36.520
<v Speaker 1>of them were killed during the tests. They only suffered

0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.520
<v Speaker 1>broken bones for what it's worth, and they were drugged.

0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:44.640
<v Speaker 1>But we're talking ejections at speeds of mock one point six,

0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:49.280
<v Speaker 1>um that's we know, or and also at altitudes of

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<v Speaker 1>forty five thousand feet. So yeah, the bears helped us

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<v Speaker 1>out in that regard. It's well hard to argue that

0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:00.320
<v Speaker 1>they volunteered, but I'm glad to hear that no bears

0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:02.480
<v Speaker 1>were killed in the making of this escape pod. Yeah,

0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.600
<v Speaker 1>at least we can say that, right. Um So after injection,

0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.160
<v Speaker 1>the capsule here featured a parachute, of course, as well

0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:11.000
<v Speaker 1>as shock absorbers and inflatable bladders to turn the thing

0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.200
<v Speaker 1>into a life raft if it fell in the water.

0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Uh So, in short, it was it was a pretty

0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:18.760
<v Speaker 1>pretty cool escape capsule. I think. I think it's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the better like just pure examples of of a

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<v Speaker 1>of an escape capsule in aviation history. There are actually

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<v Speaker 1>videos online of the tests of this escape capsule, of

0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:31.880
<v Speaker 1>it coming up out of the plane. You can see

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<v Speaker 1>it just rocketing up into the sky and shooting up

0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:37.160
<v Speaker 1>over the top of the plane as the plane passes underneath.

0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.960
<v Speaker 1>It's worth looking up. Yeah, there's also a fabulous periscope

0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:45.160
<v Speaker 1>films documentary that's freely available on YouTube now that that

0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:47.680
<v Speaker 1>shows you exactly how it worked, and it had had

0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:52.280
<v Speaker 1>like some wonderful animations. They quoted Shakespeare and showed like

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a Disney documentary, hand paid but leafing through

0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:59.080
<v Speaker 1>a book of the works of Shakespeare just impeccably. You know,

0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:03.000
<v Speaker 1>nineteen five these pr project here, So do we know

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<v Speaker 1>how often people in the real world ejected from one

0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.480
<v Speaker 1>of these planes? And how well it worked? This was

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<v Speaker 1>a real revelation to me. There is a wonderful website,

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<v Speaker 1>and I say wonderful. It's it's a little long in

0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:17.840
<v Speaker 1>the tooth now it could it could benefit from redesign,

0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:20.320
<v Speaker 1>but this but the work that's gone into it is

0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:24.960
<v Speaker 1>pretty pretty awesome. It's ejection history dot org dot UK

0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:31.080
<v Speaker 1>and it's an attempt by the author and contributors to

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<v Speaker 1>catalog every ejection from from key aircraft and and and

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<v Speaker 1>and also rank like how how survivable each incident was,

0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:45.840
<v Speaker 1>So all in all, like some some aircraft have better

0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:49.159
<v Speaker 1>databases and others on this site, but it's it's a

0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:54.200
<v Speaker 1>real sobering look at the effectiveness of ejection seats and

0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:59.080
<v Speaker 1>ejection capsules, uh to determine, like to what center they

0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:02.160
<v Speaker 1>able to save live in the event of you know, catastrophe.

0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:06.000
<v Speaker 1>In the case of the Hustler, it looked like there's

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<v Speaker 1>something like thirty ejections total, with the majority of them

0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:13.800
<v Speaker 1>being survivals. So the torture chamber by and large worked,

0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:15.399
<v Speaker 1>it would seem too. I don't I don't have a

0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:18.720
<v Speaker 1>have a particular stat on it because the database doesn't

0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:22.880
<v Speaker 1>really present the information that that. Clearly it's not it's

0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.960
<v Speaker 1>not a modern spreadsheets sort of format. But certainly if

0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:28.359
<v Speaker 1>you really have to have an answer to that, you

0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.960
<v Speaker 1>can go and and count them. Um. But yeah, the

0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Hustler an interesting plane, a great escape capsule. Get in

0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.320
<v Speaker 1>that cinebyte head. Okay, let's look at another one. How

0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:42.159
<v Speaker 1>about the XP seventy Valkyrie. Oh yeah, so this this

0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:45.119
<v Speaker 1>one's really cool too. So this was a prototype for

0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:48.240
<v Speaker 1>the B seventy. And this was another beautiful delta wing

0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.720
<v Speaker 1>bomber of the sixties, designed to be a high altitude

0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:54.719
<v Speaker 1>mock three bomber. It never actually entered service, so visually

0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:57.159
<v Speaker 1>it's most striking feature and the one that that if

0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:59.520
<v Speaker 1>you've looked at aviation pictures in the past, you might go, oh,

0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.760
<v Speaker 1>that air plant, it's uh, it's probably because it has

0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:07.600
<v Speaker 1>these two large canards which acted control surfaces. Essentially imagine

0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:10.600
<v Speaker 1>the so imagine the airplane is a bird. It has

0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:14.879
<v Speaker 1>two little wings right behind its ears. Um, those are

0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:18.680
<v Speaker 1>just you know, control surfaces essentially located behind the cockpit.

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<v Speaker 1>Performance Wise, however, the really crazy thing about the XP

0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:25.040
<v Speaker 1>seventy was that it was designed to fold its wings

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<v Speaker 1>down hearing supersonic flight and ride its own shock wave

0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:33.480
<v Speaker 1>quote much as a surfer rides in ocean wave. That's

0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:36.600
<v Speaker 1>a according to the NASA dot gov fact sheet on

0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:39.240
<v Speaker 1>this aircraft. Wow. So if you look at pictures of

0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:42.760
<v Speaker 1>this aircraft, it also is very visually striking. As you say,

0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:45.320
<v Speaker 1>I thought this one looks kind of like a paper plane.

0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:49.840
<v Speaker 1>It does. Like it's very white and very thin, extremely

0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:52.320
<v Speaker 1>thin as far as the wings go, has a paper

0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:55.000
<v Speaker 1>like kind of quality to it, except that the the

0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:57.440
<v Speaker 1>of course, the middle fuselage is kind of circular, but

0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:00.840
<v Speaker 1>otherwise it's it's dead ringer for paper plane. Yeah, it

0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:02.480
<v Speaker 1>looks it looks like a paper plane or a piece

0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:05.880
<v Speaker 1>of oregony, almost like an oregony crane. Yeah, I see

0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:09.879
<v Speaker 1>that too. So this airplane design came about in a

0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:13.879
<v Speaker 1>time of uncertain future for traditional bombers, and the Kennedy

0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:18.000
<v Speaker 1>administration ended up scrapping it, so it became a research aircraft,

0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:22.240
<v Speaker 1>largely for supersonic transport research looking into the idea of

0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:27.480
<v Speaker 1>using supersonic airline or supersonic sonic transport planes. In general,

0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:29.840
<v Speaker 1>it was the right shape, it was the right size,

0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:33.679
<v Speaker 1>and even though the program was scrapped, they had two prototypes,

0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:38.280
<v Speaker 1>so you had two XP seventy Valkyries, So it was

0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:42.040
<v Speaker 1>sort of a prototype concorde. Well it was like that.

0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:44.639
<v Speaker 1>Well it was totally a bomber, but but it was

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<v Speaker 1>the right size and it had enough in common with

0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:51.440
<v Speaker 1>the designs that were being looked at for commercial use

0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:55.639
<v Speaker 1>that it could be used to explore the possibilities there. So,

0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:59.000
<v Speaker 1>despite some of the problems, the early flights provided data

0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:03.200
<v Speaker 1>on a number of issues acing supersonic transport. These included

0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:08.960
<v Speaker 1>aircraft noise, operational problems, control system design, uh comparison of

0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:12.240
<v Speaker 1>winternal predictions with what actually happens during the course of flight,

0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:16.480
<v Speaker 1>high ALTITA to clear air turbulence, all of these issues.

0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:18.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this was there was still so much to

0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:22.600
<v Speaker 1>learn at the time about supersonic flight. But this one

0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:25.960
<v Speaker 1>did have an ejection capsule. Yes, back to the main point.

0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:28.320
<v Speaker 1>The reason we're talking about is that it did feature

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<v Speaker 1>an injection capsule and it had a clam clam shell

0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:34.199
<v Speaker 1>design similar to that that we discussed in the Hustler.

0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:37.399
<v Speaker 1>So they're bringing back shutter face, right, Yeah, shutter faces

0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:40.440
<v Speaker 1>in action that the ideally the chair that you're in

0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:44.399
<v Speaker 1>the cockpit seat, it kind of like folds back and

0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:48.160
<v Speaker 1>then the clam shell snaps over. Uh, and it contains

0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:51.919
<v Speaker 1>survival gear oxygen systems. It also contained the flight control

0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:55.080
<v Speaker 1>stick for the pilot and um, you know, it's very

0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:59.640
<v Speaker 1>much the same idea. We We only had two of these,

0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:03.920
<v Speaker 1>so it's there's not a lot of ejection data on it.

0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:08.639
<v Speaker 1>But there is one key incident that occurred with one

0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:12.560
<v Speaker 1>of the XP seventies, and that was a tragedy involving

0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:15.960
<v Speaker 1>one of them in nineteen sixty six. June eighth, nineteen

0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:19.760
<v Speaker 1>sixty six, the second of the two XP seventies crashed

0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:23.280
<v Speaker 1>following a mid air collision with the NASA's F one

0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:26.840
<v Speaker 1>oh four in Chase plane. How did that happen? Um,

0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:31.159
<v Speaker 1>They were essentially they were they were doing photographs of

0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:35.159
<v Speaker 1>the research that was being conducted and one plane got

0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:38.920
<v Speaker 1>too close to the other. And Yeah, it was pretty

0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:42.520
<v Speaker 1>pretty terrible accident because in the course of this, Joe Walker,

0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:45.159
<v Speaker 1>the F one oh four in pilot, he died in

0:22:45.240 --> 0:22:48.720
<v Speaker 1>the accident. Um Carl Cross, who was making his first

0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:51.240
<v Speaker 1>flight in the XP seventy, was unable to eject and

0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:55.200
<v Speaker 1>he died in the crash. North American test pilot Al White,

0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:58.840
<v Speaker 1>who had been with the XP seventy project since the beginning,

0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:03.320
<v Speaker 1>he act. He say he ejected in the capsule, but

0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:08.080
<v Speaker 1>he received serious injuries in the process because the clam

0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:11.000
<v Speaker 1>shell crushed his arm. So his arm was outside of

0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:14.200
<v Speaker 1>the clam shell and it was crushed. That is something

0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:17.760
<v Speaker 1>I've read about and these, uh, these aviation eject capsules,

0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:20.440
<v Speaker 1>is that they tend to if they close over you,

0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:23.680
<v Speaker 1>they have to close with extreme force. Uh, And so

0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:27.439
<v Speaker 1>you're always at risk of having injury from the actual

0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:31.879
<v Speaker 1>closing process of the capsule. Yeah, and certainly, you know,

0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:35.080
<v Speaker 1>going through that A that A that ejection website that

0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:38.880
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned earlier. You see this with with countless ejections.

0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Capsules are not where Sometimes individuals survive, sometimes they don't.

0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes they are minor, sometimes they are severe injuries that

0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:50.560
<v Speaker 1>are entailed in the course of escaping that aircraft. Okay,

0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:53.040
<v Speaker 1>let's look at another one. How about the General Dynamics

0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:56.840
<v Speaker 1>F one eleven ard Vark name, yes, the ard Vark,

0:23:56.960 --> 0:23:59.520
<v Speaker 1>this one. This one is a great, great aircraft. This

0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:01.680
<v Speaker 1>was one was one of always one of my favorites.

0:24:02.200 --> 0:24:05.960
<v Speaker 1>So this one was in service seven through for the

0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:08.800
<v Speaker 1>US Air Force. Of course, five hundred and sixty three

0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:12.159
<v Speaker 1>were produced, and uh it was. It was always a

0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:15.600
<v Speaker 1>favorite airplane of mind growing up because in probably in

0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:17.320
<v Speaker 1>part because I did have a toy version of it.

0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:20.240
<v Speaker 1>There you go, if you have that physical manifestation of

0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:21.800
<v Speaker 1>the thing as a kid, you can't help it be

0:24:21.800 --> 0:24:24.000
<v Speaker 1>a little more into it. But it was also just

0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:26.000
<v Speaker 1>like a little bit like a like it was just

0:24:26.080 --> 0:24:28.399
<v Speaker 1>a weird plane. It stood out from the other jets.

0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:32.280
<v Speaker 1>It effectively came off like a larger bomber version of

0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:34.639
<v Speaker 1>the F four Team Tomcat. The of course, you know

0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:36.840
<v Speaker 1>the top gun plane for anyone out there is not

0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:41.160
<v Speaker 1>not that familiar with with your jets, variable sweep wings

0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:45.560
<v Speaker 1>and coolest of all, kandem seating for the two man crew. Okay,

0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:47.920
<v Speaker 1>so if you have if you have top gun in mind,

0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:50.479
<v Speaker 1>of course you're going to imagine front and back seating

0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:53.200
<v Speaker 1>for the pilot and what the gunner? What are the

0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:56.240
<v Speaker 1>two people? I don't know my top gun, but yeah,

0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:58.680
<v Speaker 1>you'll have one in front and one directly behind. Yeah,

0:24:58.720 --> 0:25:00.639
<v Speaker 1>with multiple crews, you know you're off and talking about

0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:05.520
<v Speaker 1>the pilot, UM a navigator, pilot, co pilot, bombity or

0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:07.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, there are all these different roles depending on

0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:10.600
<v Speaker 1>what the airplane is, and in your your sleeker faster

0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:14.640
<v Speaker 1>designs such as fighter planes and interceptors and fighter bombers,

0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:18.160
<v Speaker 1>in some cases you're gonna have you know, one in front,

0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:22.000
<v Speaker 1>one behind. UM. Also with trainers. Trainer aircraft are often

0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:25.480
<v Speaker 1>like that. But this one had pilot co pilot pilot

0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:28.520
<v Speaker 1>setting right next to each other, just like a love seat,

0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:31.760
<v Speaker 1>just like a love seat. And uh, the cool part

0:25:31.800 --> 0:25:34.560
<v Speaker 1>here was the crew didn't have ejection seats or an

0:25:34.720 --> 0:25:38.639
<v Speaker 1>escape pod. Even the entire cabin of the F one

0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:42.320
<v Speaker 1>eleven ard Vark was an escape capsule, the McDonald escaped capsule,

0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:45.720
<v Speaker 1>and it looks something like a star treks uh shuttlecraft. Wow.

0:25:45.840 --> 0:25:49.119
<v Speaker 1>So we will see this idea repeated in a few minutes.

0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:53.320
<v Speaker 1>So when talking about some proposals for passenger aircraft, it

0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:56.840
<v Speaker 1>was so, yeah, think of think of a shuttlecraft. It

0:25:56.960 --> 0:25:59.359
<v Speaker 1>was self righting, it was water tight, it could be

0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:02.760
<v Speaker 1>used as a flow tation device. Um. So sorry you

0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:05.639
<v Speaker 1>said self righting. Not that's not riding with a d

0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:08.640
<v Speaker 1>but self righting, as in it would bob right side up. Yeah.

0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:10.560
<v Speaker 1>So it's a pretty cool little capsule. I mean, it

0:26:10.680 --> 0:26:14.280
<v Speaker 1>was the it was it was the entire crew cabin

0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:17.280
<v Speaker 1>really and so so how did it work? Well, if

0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:20.120
<v Speaker 1>we look to ejection history dot org dot UK, which

0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:23.360
<v Speaker 1>is the leading source of information on this sort of thing, um,

0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:26.919
<v Speaker 1>looks like there were about over a hundred injections logged

0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:30.000
<v Speaker 1>for the F one eleven during the course of its tenure,

0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:32.239
<v Speaker 1>and the survival rate looks pretty good. But again, it's

0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:33.840
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of sobering to look at a lot of

0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 1>this data, especially when you can see the pictures of

0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:40.480
<v Speaker 1>the pilots that were involved. Sometimes the survivors sometimes um

0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:45.360
<v Speaker 1>casualties because you can you can have this great ejection

0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:48.520
<v Speaker 1>system in place, But you're still talking again about really

0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:53.399
<v Speaker 1>dangerous situations, uh, really parallel situations with a malfunctioning or

0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:56.720
<v Speaker 1>crashing aircraft. Sometimes it's in a war zone, and we're

0:26:56.720 --> 0:26:59.280
<v Speaker 1>talking about everything from bird strike that's when an airplane

0:26:59.320 --> 0:27:04.800
<v Speaker 1>strikes a bird, which can have just cataclysmic uh results

0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:07.520
<v Speaker 1>on the aircraft. You wouldn't think so, but yeah, I

0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:10.199
<v Speaker 1>mean the high speed bird a high speed plane, uh

0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:13.480
<v Speaker 1>versus and that meets a you know, the canopy of

0:27:13.520 --> 0:27:17.840
<v Speaker 1>the plane or the engine, So you have a bird strike, crashes, collisions,

0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:20.000
<v Speaker 1>engine problems. All these things happen in the course of

0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:23.840
<v Speaker 1>a plane's tenure of it, you know, is actually utilized

0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:26.680
<v Speaker 1>over the course of a decade or longer um. And

0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:31.080
<v Speaker 1>sometimes the sometimes the stories are just like fatally short,

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:33.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's just like the plane had a malfunction

0:27:33.119 --> 0:27:35.600
<v Speaker 1>and it crashed and there's no sign that even an

0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:38.840
<v Speaker 1>ejection was even attempted. It just happened so fast that

0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:41.760
<v Speaker 1>other times they're pretty remarkable. There's a listing for a

0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:45.520
<v Speaker 1>in an October seven, nineteen seventy six ejection with the

0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:49.560
<v Speaker 1>ard Vark uh and it says quote capsule was fired

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:52.399
<v Speaker 1>with the airplane about sixty degrees nose down at a

0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:56.879
<v Speaker 1>hundred feet or less. Uh So, like the it seems

0:27:56.880 --> 0:27:58.760
<v Speaker 1>like if this is in the last second, this may

0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:02.399
<v Speaker 1>even be past the last second. Yeah, and they but

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:05.640
<v Speaker 1>they actually both crew members survived. There were no senti

0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:07.479
<v Speaker 1>for serious injuries. So this one was one that sort

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:09.879
<v Speaker 1>of stood out as an anomaly of like a it

0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:11.640
<v Speaker 1>really seemed like it was going to go the other way,

0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:15.560
<v Speaker 1>but they survived thanks to the escape capsule. Okay, how

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:19.840
<v Speaker 1>about one more? What about the Rockwell B one A Lancer. Yeah,

0:28:19.920 --> 0:28:22.840
<v Speaker 1>this one is this is another beautiful plane. I guess

0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of there's kind of an evolution here, and this

0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:27.960
<v Speaker 1>is the form that we still find in service today.

0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:30.879
<v Speaker 1>Uh and uh it's it's likely going to remain in

0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:34.760
<v Speaker 1>service tool around twenty I think of the current estimates. Here.

0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:38.600
<v Speaker 1>The U. S. Air Force uh B one Lancer, So

0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:41.840
<v Speaker 1>the Air Force had four B one a's built. This

0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:44.680
<v Speaker 1>was the first model and uh then they ended up

0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:47.000
<v Speaker 1>doing a hundred B one bs. The first three B

0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:50.600
<v Speaker 1>one as featured an escape capsule that ejected the cockpit

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:53.560
<v Speaker 1>with all four crew members inside it, much like we

0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:55.920
<v Speaker 1>saw with the Ard vark, so just you know that

0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:59.040
<v Speaker 1>the next evolution of the art, VARK was present here.

0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:02.120
<v Speaker 1>But then B one A was equipped with a conventional

0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:05.080
<v Speaker 1>ejectian seat for for each crew member, so they ended

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 1>up scrapping the the full escape capsule design in favor

0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:13.720
<v Speaker 1>of more traditional ejection seats. So that was kind of

0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:17.600
<v Speaker 1>like the end of the the golden age of the

0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:20.000
<v Speaker 1>ejection capsule, I guess you would say, at least from

0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:24.560
<v Speaker 1>a military aviation standpoint. And apparently it was only used once.

0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:28.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you only had what three aircraft that featured it,

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:34.800
<v Speaker 1>But there was an August incident escape pod parachutes didn't

0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 1>deploy fully in the module impacted in a right nose

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 1>a low altitude. One crew member was killed, two others

0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:44.160
<v Speaker 1>were severely injured. So the one use of it, again

0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 1>during its limited rollout, uh was was very much a

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:50.239
<v Speaker 1>mixed back. So one of the big takeaways from all

0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:53.640
<v Speaker 1>these stories in military aviation history is yet again we

0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:56.560
<v Speaker 1>said this earlier, but even if you make it into

0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:59.720
<v Speaker 1>the escape pod, it's not a sure thing. It's still

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 1>a dangerous world out there between you and the ground.

0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:07.280
<v Speaker 1>I guess most of the dangers at the ground. But yeah,

0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:09.200
<v Speaker 1>but but yeah, it's a dangerous environment. You're not really

0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:11.680
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be up there, and the thing that got

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:15.760
<v Speaker 1>you there is malfunctioning or crashing. So Joe, I flew

0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:18.720
<v Speaker 1>a few times this year. Uh where was my injection seat?

0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:21.880
<v Speaker 1>It's a total bummer, isn't it that you do not

0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:25.840
<v Speaker 1>get an escape pod in a regular passenger aircraft? I

0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:29.280
<v Speaker 1>want my money back. No, actually I don't, because I

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:32.840
<v Speaker 1>arrived safely and so you know, it's fine. Uh So,

0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:35.360
<v Speaker 1>there are a few patents that there. There is a

0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:37.480
<v Speaker 1>reason that I'm going to get to in a minute

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:40.520
<v Speaker 1>why you don't usually see this in passenger aircraft. But

0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:43.080
<v Speaker 1>first I just want to look at a couple of examples.

0:30:43.200 --> 0:30:46.520
<v Speaker 1>One is a patent that I found filed January two

0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:52.880
<v Speaker 1>eleven by Tatiana ivan Ivna dimon Chuk, who wrote this

0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 1>patent for quote method for the mass emergency evacuation of

0:30:56.840 --> 0:31:01.680
<v Speaker 1>passengers from air transport and aeroplane with equipment for rescuing

0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:05.800
<v Speaker 1>passengers in an emergency situation. I have to just comment

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:08.480
<v Speaker 1>reading a bunch of patents for this episode. Man, the

0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:12.760
<v Speaker 1>writing style of most patents is so awful. It as

0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:15.880
<v Speaker 1>if they're written explicitly to make it hard to picture

0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:18.880
<v Speaker 1>what they're talking about. Yeah, thank goodness there there are

0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:21.720
<v Speaker 1>often visuals to go with it, because otherwise it would

0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 1>be very difficult to get the idea from some of

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:25.680
<v Speaker 1>the writeups. Yeah, I don't mean to call this one

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:29.240
<v Speaker 1>out in particular, but it also the writing wasn't amazing

0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:31.880
<v Speaker 1>on it. But yeah, that that's sort of across the board.

0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, basically what is envisioned in this one is

0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:38.080
<v Speaker 1>that the airplane would have rows of seats that are

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:42.800
<v Speaker 1>enclosable into smaller capsules, and then these capsules would sit

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 1>on some kind of guide track inside the airplane fuselage,

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:51.440
<v Speaker 1>and when an emergency occurs, the hatches and the fuselage

0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:55.720
<v Speaker 1>pop open and these seat containing capsules would be ejected.

0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:58.120
<v Speaker 1>According to one diagram I saw, it looks like they

0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:00.640
<v Speaker 1>would sort of blast out to the bottom of the

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:04.960
<v Speaker 1>plane and an angle diagonal to the plane's movement. But yeah,

0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:07.560
<v Speaker 1>I have not seen anyone claiming that they're going to

0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 1>make a passenger plane incorporating these designs. Yeah, this particular

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:15.080
<v Speaker 1>design it it basically think of there being a tiny

0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:18.800
<v Speaker 1>train inside the airplane, like little train cars, little subway

0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 1>cars that have your your seats in them right, and

0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:27.200
<v Speaker 1>then if if, if, if necessary, if the situation gets dire,

0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 1>each of those train cars may be pooped out of

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 1>the airplane. Oh it's a good one, okay, So I

0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:37.320
<v Speaker 1>found another one also that there were some reports about

0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:40.760
<v Speaker 1>another supposed design for a passenger plane escape system, this

0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:46.280
<v Speaker 1>one by a Ukrainian engineer named Vladimir Nikolayevitch Tatarenko, and

0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:50.040
<v Speaker 1>there are some YouTube videos demonstrating the concept, complete with

0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:54.320
<v Speaker 1>inspiring quotes by Confucius and Einstein and uh so. The

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:57.880
<v Speaker 1>demonstration in the videos shows that under this design, what

0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:01.080
<v Speaker 1>would happen is that the lower part of the fuselage

0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:06.320
<v Speaker 1>detaches from the engine and pilot section of the plane,

0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:10.680
<v Speaker 1>including the entire passenger cabin and luggage storage. So if

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:13.320
<v Speaker 1>you imagine, it's like you get into the cabin of

0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:17.000
<v Speaker 1>the plane, and that is a detachable section of the

0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:20.880
<v Speaker 1>plane that attaches to the wings and the pilot's area

0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:25.200
<v Speaker 1>through through a connector, and so an emergency happens, the

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:28.880
<v Speaker 1>cabin of the plane essentially just detaches from the fuselage

0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:32.520
<v Speaker 1>and comes off. Parachutes extend from containers on the top

0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:35.400
<v Speaker 1>of the escape capsule, and the cabin comes down for

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:39.960
<v Speaker 1>a soft landing on inflatable cushions. I have to say,

0:33:40.000 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm a little iffy about this one because I've

0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:45.520
<v Speaker 1>mostly seen it covered on like viral news type sites.

0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:48.480
<v Speaker 1>You know about these inventions, Robert. Sometimes you see inventions

0:33:48.880 --> 0:33:52.160
<v Speaker 1>that are covered in trade press for whatever field the

0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:55.280
<v Speaker 1>inventions in, and they're covered in mainstream news, and then

0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:57.000
<v Speaker 1>there are the other ones that get picked up on

0:33:57.160 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 1>like ain't that cool dot com? Or something. This one's

0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:04.480
<v Speaker 1>more of the latter type, and uh, and so I

0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:07.880
<v Speaker 1>haven't seen it in serious sources covering aviation technology. What

0:34:08.000 --> 0:34:10.560
<v Speaker 1>little coverage it has gotten in mainstream press appears to

0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:14.000
<v Speaker 1>be pretty skeptical of the practicality of the model. So

0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:17.640
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't expect to be seeing this implemented in any

0:34:17.760 --> 0:34:23.000
<v Speaker 1>real airplanes. But there's a larger problem here, which is

0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:25.480
<v Speaker 1>that even if you could make escape pods on passenger

0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:29.879
<v Speaker 1>aircraft work, which with enough motivation and investment, I'm sure

0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:32.680
<v Speaker 1>you probably could, I don't think that any of these

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:35.120
<v Speaker 1>are ever going to become a real thing. One of

0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:38.880
<v Speaker 1>the first problems is that when you picture the capsules

0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:42.560
<v Speaker 1>coming off, coming out of the plane and then deploying

0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:46.840
<v Speaker 1>parachutes to parachute down to safety. That might help sometimes,

0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:51.800
<v Speaker 1>but the vast majority of airplane accidents happened during takeoff, ascent,

0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:55.600
<v Speaker 1>decent and landing, when you are nearer to the ground,

0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:59.080
<v Speaker 1>and parachute supported capsules are just going to be less

0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:02.360
<v Speaker 1>likely to me to happy end, we mentioned earlier problems

0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:04.839
<v Speaker 1>about like trying to deploy a parachute when you're very

0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:07.600
<v Speaker 1>close to the ground, it doesn't usually work. Right, And

0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:10.160
<v Speaker 1>think back to all these the capsules we discussed so far.

0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 1>In military aviation, these are rejection capsules. These are essentially

0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:17.439
<v Speaker 1>fancy ejection seats, in versions of the ejection seat, which

0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 1>of course launches the individual away from the plane generally

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:25.120
<v Speaker 1>upward um. And that I mean like, for instance, that

0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:28.440
<v Speaker 1>F one eleven example we saw where there is exceedingly

0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:32.520
<v Speaker 1>low altitude, but the reason they survived is probably because

0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:35.360
<v Speaker 1>it launched the capsule up far enough for the parachute

0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:38.000
<v Speaker 1>to come into play for them. Right. Uh So, I

0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:42.040
<v Speaker 1>found a twenty sixteen Boeing statistical summary compiling all the

0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:46.560
<v Speaker 1>fatal commercial aircraft accidents in in the world since while

0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 1>it was between two thousand and six and and this

0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:52.239
<v Speaker 1>only includes things that you would actually consider accidents, not

0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:56.360
<v Speaker 1>things like terrorists, bombs or missile strikes. But during this period,

0:35:56.600 --> 0:36:01.200
<v Speaker 1>only twelve percent of their fatal accident and two percent

0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:06.120
<v Speaker 1>of onboard fatalities occurred during the cruise portion of the flight,

0:36:06.239 --> 0:36:08.320
<v Speaker 1>which is what this is when the plane is that

0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:10.840
<v Speaker 1>it's regular flying altitude. Most of the time you're in

0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:12.759
<v Speaker 1>the air, is the cruise section. Yeah, this isn't the

0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:14.600
<v Speaker 1>part where you can get up, walk around, go to

0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:17.560
<v Speaker 1>the bathroom, and become increasingly annoyed at the other people

0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:19.960
<v Speaker 1>on the plane. Right, so this is going to be

0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:23.560
<v Speaker 1>the majority of your flight time, but the minority of

0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:26.960
<v Speaker 1>where accidents occur, the vast minority, About eighteen percent of

0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:31.080
<v Speaker 1>fatal accidents and fourteen percent of onboard fatalities occurred during

0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:35.080
<v Speaker 1>takeoff and climb, and about fifty nine percent of fatal

0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:38.560
<v Speaker 1>accidents and sixty one percent of onboard fatalities happened during

0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:41.640
<v Speaker 1>descent and landing. And so one thing you know is

0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:43.920
<v Speaker 1>from these stats is that if you do happen to

0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:47.400
<v Speaker 1>be in the rare midflight accident, it is more likely

0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:49.759
<v Speaker 1>to be a fatal one. That's kind of intuitive, right

0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:52.080
<v Speaker 1>since it's twelve percent of the accidents, but a kind

0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:55.960
<v Speaker 1>of percent of the fatalities, but they just happen a

0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:59.279
<v Speaker 1>lot less often. Most of the bad stuff happens near

0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:02.239
<v Speaker 1>or on the ground, sometimes that you haven't even left

0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:05.120
<v Speaker 1>the ground. You're on the runway when something bad happens. Uh,

0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:06.879
<v Speaker 1>And the closer y ared of the ground, the more

0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:12.560
<v Speaker 1>useless a proposition like these escape pods becomes. Overall, flying

0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:16.120
<v Speaker 1>in airplanes is incredibly safe. I know you've probably heard

0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:18.800
<v Speaker 1>stats about this before, how it's more dangerous to be

0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:21.520
<v Speaker 1>in a car than an aircraft by pretty much every

0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:23.640
<v Speaker 1>measure you can look at. I think this is true.

0:37:24.239 --> 0:37:26.600
<v Speaker 1>So there are different ways to estimate the difference. But

0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:28.839
<v Speaker 1>here's one thing I found that puts it in terms

0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:33.200
<v Speaker 1>of lifetime risks. So the US National Safety Council used

0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:36.680
<v Speaker 1>its yearly injury statistics. They do this every year to

0:37:36.920 --> 0:37:40.640
<v Speaker 1>compile and odds of dying chart, which is a good idea, right.

0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:45.080
<v Speaker 1>It ranks your lifetime chances of being killed by particular things.

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:48.120
<v Speaker 1>So in they claim that your odds of dying in

0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:51.279
<v Speaker 1>a plane crash are one in ninety six thousand, five

0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:54.600
<v Speaker 1>hundred and sixty six. And according to their data, you

0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:58.160
<v Speaker 1>are much more likely to be killed by electricution that's

0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:01.760
<v Speaker 1>one in twelve thousand, two hundred, by a b wasp

0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:05.440
<v Speaker 1>or hornet sting that's one in fifty five thousand or so,

0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:08.440
<v Speaker 1>or in a motor vehicle crash, which is about one

0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:11.040
<v Speaker 1>in a hundred and twelve. And I might add that

0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:13.520
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and eight, the same organization rated your

0:38:13.600 --> 0:38:16.480
<v Speaker 1>lifetime chances of dying in a space or air travel

0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:20.680
<v Speaker 1>accident at one in seven thousand, one seventy eight. So

0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:24.560
<v Speaker 1>things seem to be vastly improving. So your odds of

0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:27.960
<v Speaker 1>dying in an air travel accident are already exceedingly low.

0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:31.080
<v Speaker 1>And if you are in a fatal plane accident, it's

0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:34.360
<v Speaker 1>most likely to happen on the runway or at low altitude,

0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 1>where an escape pod attached to parachutes is much less

0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:40.720
<v Speaker 1>likely to help you. UH. The parachutes just probably wouldn't

0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:43.120
<v Speaker 1>have time to unfold and decelerate you before you crash

0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:45.439
<v Speaker 1>into the ground or catch on fire. But of course,

0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:48.279
<v Speaker 1>another thing to consider is economics. We mentioned at the

0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:52.600
<v Speaker 1>beginning the economics of the military considerations. UH. Adding escape

0:38:52.600 --> 0:38:56.000
<v Speaker 1>pods to passenger planes means building new planes and making

0:38:56.120 --> 0:39:00.200
<v Speaker 1>them much heavier and bulkier, which decreases passenger pay load

0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:03.840
<v Speaker 1>capacity increases fuel costs. If you want an airplane with

0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:05.640
<v Speaker 1>an escape pod, I think you're going to need to

0:39:05.680 --> 0:39:08.320
<v Speaker 1>be prepared to pay the nine thousand dollars per ticket

0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:12.920
<v Speaker 1>or whatever it ends up costing. One more thing I

0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:16.440
<v Speaker 1>wanted to consider. I found an article in a publication

0:39:16.520 --> 0:39:19.640
<v Speaker 1>called Defense One, which is from Atlantic Media, called why

0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:23.440
<v Speaker 1>your plane can't have an escape pod? And this offered

0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:25.880
<v Speaker 1>one thing I hadn't thought of that The author of

0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:29.120
<v Speaker 1>this spoke to somebody named David Aiken who's director of

0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:33.760
<v Speaker 1>Space Systems, the Space System's Laboratory at the University of Maryland,

0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:36.640
<v Speaker 1>and Aikin said, quote, you have to be careful you

0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:40.759
<v Speaker 1>don't cause an accident because of an inadvertent actuation of

0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:44.880
<v Speaker 1>the safety system. It's an accident that wouldn't happen without

0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:47.840
<v Speaker 1>the safety system. That didn't even cross my mind. But

0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:50.399
<v Speaker 1>of course that's the case, right. You could have lots

0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:53.960
<v Speaker 1>because every time you activate an ejector system, you are

0:39:54.600 --> 0:40:00.160
<v Speaker 1>increasing your likelihood of death in an ejection incident. And uh,

0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:02.800
<v Speaker 1>and the chance of you dying in a passenger plane

0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:04.840
<v Speaker 1>is already so low. It just does not seem like

0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:07.880
<v Speaker 1>a good cost benefit trade off. Yeah. I mean, an

0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:11.040
<v Speaker 1>ejection seat or an ejection capsule is an incredibly dangerous

0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:15.160
<v Speaker 1>device to have. Um. I believe if you go to

0:40:15.200 --> 0:40:17.120
<v Speaker 1>a you go to an air show and somebody say

0:40:17.160 --> 0:40:20.560
<v Speaker 1>flies in a MiG or or some sort of you know,

0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:25.759
<v Speaker 1>older Now, a non military craft, if it had an

0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:28.560
<v Speaker 1>ejection seat in its previous life, it probably does not

0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:31.520
<v Speaker 1>have one today because it's just not the kind of

0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:36.120
<v Speaker 1>thing that a non military craft should have. One last

0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:39.279
<v Speaker 1>thing about passenger planes. All those movies that show Air

0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:42.319
<v Speaker 1>Force one with an escape pod, the best of course

0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:44.920
<v Speaker 1>being as we mentioned earlier, Escape from New York. Donald

0:40:44.920 --> 0:40:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Pleasants gets in the egg and it's it's wonderful. Are

0:40:47.640 --> 0:40:50.560
<v Speaker 1>there others? Air Force one has an escape pod? Here's one?

0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:53.000
<v Speaker 1>How about the movie Air Force One? I never saw it?

0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Is this? Where is this Harrison Ford versus uh, Gary

0:40:56.880 --> 0:40:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Oldman and Gariel Or is it Gary? Okay? I can't remember.

0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:03.480
<v Speaker 1>I want to say it's Gary Oldman has president? Harrison

0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Ford is the president. Okay, he's the president. He's on

0:41:06.040 --> 0:41:08.440
<v Speaker 1>Air Force One. Some terrorists get on his plane. I

0:41:08.520 --> 0:41:10.760
<v Speaker 1>think they're led by Gary Oldman from what I remember.

0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:13.800
<v Speaker 1>They attack him. He says, get off my plane and

0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:16.479
<v Speaker 1>he fights them. And so this came out in July,

0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:21.480
<v Speaker 1>and I found a Time CNN article from that summer

0:41:21.760 --> 0:41:25.200
<v Speaker 1>reacting to the movie Air Force One and comparing its

0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:28.080
<v Speaker 1>Air Force one set to the real Air Force one. Now,

0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:31.319
<v Speaker 1>in the movie, actually the plane has an escape pod.

0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:34.520
<v Speaker 1>The article speaks to a White House aid confirms there

0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:36.799
<v Speaker 1>is no escape pod in the real Air Force one,

0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:41.520
<v Speaker 1>but apparently Bill Clinton wanted one. Well you come in.

0:41:41.680 --> 0:41:43.839
<v Speaker 1>I think they were joking, that's what they said. Well,

0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:45.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean you come back to the economic model. This

0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:47.680
<v Speaker 1>is one of the cases where it would make sense

0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:53.759
<v Speaker 1>right to have an ejection capsule for the most powerful

0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:56.560
<v Speaker 1>individual in the United States. I don't know how much

0:41:56.600 --> 0:42:00.319
<v Speaker 1>does the president cost um. I think there are there

0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:04.400
<v Speaker 1>are price tag evaluations available now on that topic. But

0:42:04.600 --> 0:42:07.160
<v Speaker 1>it makes sense that they might have one in that scenario,

0:42:07.239 --> 0:42:09.600
<v Speaker 1>But apparently they don't. However, would they let us know

0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:12.640
<v Speaker 1>if there was one? Uh, that's a good quition. Maybe

0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:15.200
<v Speaker 1>they're just psyching us out. I have heard of certain

0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:20.120
<v Speaker 1>situations with informational websites with information about Air Force One

0:42:21.040 --> 0:42:23.680
<v Speaker 1>being asked to, you know, cut down on the detail.

0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:27.560
<v Speaker 1>Really yeah, wow, interest to the great fun Uh so

0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:29.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. You can you can run with the

0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:33.920
<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theories there, maybe there's a secret escape pod. Alright, Well,

0:42:33.920 --> 0:42:35.759
<v Speaker 1>on that note, we're going to take a break, a

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:38.400
<v Speaker 1>quick break for you. We're actually going to take a

0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:41.000
<v Speaker 1>break for several days, and they come back in and

0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:43.319
<v Speaker 1>finish this. So if we sound a little different, if

0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:45.960
<v Speaker 1>we sound better, healthier, if we sound worse, if you

0:42:46.000 --> 0:42:48.760
<v Speaker 1>sound a little sicker, well it's because a few days past.

0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:51.920
<v Speaker 1>But when we come back few days contemplating the torture chamber. Yes,

0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:53.839
<v Speaker 1>when we come back, though, we were going to get

0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:59.320
<v Speaker 1>into escape pods in space exploration, both actual and the

0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:07.080
<v Speaker 1>merely host. All right, we're back. So we've been talking

0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:12.600
<v Speaker 1>about aviation, escape pods, escape capsules, But what about outer space,

0:43:12.680 --> 0:43:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Like that's the next most dangerous environment. Like if if

0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:18.680
<v Speaker 1>the air, if the the upper atmosphere is not dangerous enough,

0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:21.399
<v Speaker 1>let's go beyond the upper atmosphere, let's go into orbit

0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:24.800
<v Speaker 1>and possibly rooms beyond. What do we do about escaping

0:43:24.880 --> 0:43:27.800
<v Speaker 1>those situations? Well, space is the natural home of the

0:43:27.960 --> 0:43:29.879
<v Speaker 1>escape pod, isn't it, Because if we if we see

0:43:29.880 --> 0:43:31.920
<v Speaker 1>it in sci fi most often, like that's where you

0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:34.440
<v Speaker 1>get in the capsule, you blast down to tattooing or

0:43:34.480 --> 0:43:37.560
<v Speaker 1>wherever that that. That's where we really see escape pods

0:43:37.680 --> 0:43:40.920
<v Speaker 1>come to fruition. And it is quite true that humans

0:43:41.000 --> 0:43:44.840
<v Speaker 1>have designed escape pods for spacecraft. Now, they're kind of

0:43:44.920 --> 0:43:46.800
<v Speaker 1>different than they are in the movies, because what happens

0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:49.800
<v Speaker 1>in a movie like oh, I don't know, aliens or

0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:52.440
<v Speaker 1>something like that, where there there are capsules that you're

0:43:52.480 --> 0:43:54.880
<v Speaker 1>you're in deep space and you get into a capsule

0:43:55.000 --> 0:43:58.279
<v Speaker 1>to blast away from a ship that is exploding or

0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:00.839
<v Speaker 1>infested with aliens or some thing like that, and then

0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:03.080
<v Speaker 1>what do you do? You just drift off into space.

0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:06.840
<v Speaker 1>So well, there's no I mean, that's not very useful

0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:09.040
<v Speaker 1>as far as things go right now, because we do

0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:12.920
<v Speaker 1>not have deep rescue vehicles in deep space operating between

0:44:13.000 --> 0:44:15.480
<v Speaker 1>planets and star systems. This is one of the ideas

0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:18.800
<v Speaker 1>that came up in Pandora, is that is that everyone

0:44:18.840 --> 0:44:20.719
<v Speaker 1>would would go mad on the ship and you'd go

0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:22.840
<v Speaker 1>into your escape pods and you blast off in the

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:25.080
<v Speaker 1>escape pods, and then you just die out there because

0:44:25.120 --> 0:44:28.120
<v Speaker 1>nobody's coming to pick you up exactly. I mean, what's

0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:31.919
<v Speaker 1>the point. But there may be a point if you're

0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:35.239
<v Speaker 1>talking about stuff that stays really close to Earth, which

0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:38.160
<v Speaker 1>almost all well all of our all of our crewed

0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:41.320
<v Speaker 1>spacecraft so far have So in the early days of

0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:43.840
<v Speaker 1>crewed space flight, there were a lot of proposals for

0:44:44.000 --> 0:44:46.360
<v Speaker 1>various types of escape pods, and I actually found I

0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:50.040
<v Speaker 1>couldn't believe this. I found an issue of Popular Science

0:44:50.560 --> 0:44:53.720
<v Speaker 1>from September nineteen sixty six with an article called quote

0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:58.080
<v Speaker 1>lifeboats in Space by none other than Dr Werner von Braun,

0:44:58.640 --> 0:45:02.080
<v Speaker 1>all about the all about the subject of rescue from

0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:07.560
<v Speaker 1>orbital vehicles. Vernon von Broun, of course, the famed former

0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:10.800
<v Speaker 1>German rocket scientists who came to the US after the

0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:13.960
<v Speaker 1>war with I think you've mostly stationed out of Huntsville, Alabama,

0:45:14.560 --> 0:45:18.640
<v Speaker 1>and uh yeah, contributed a great deal to our space program. Yeah,

0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:22.160
<v Speaker 1>so von Braun says, so far, and this is nineteen

0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:25.360
<v Speaker 1>sixty six. Remember, space missions have been very safe. But

0:45:25.560 --> 0:45:28.239
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have to expect that at some point a

0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:33.600
<v Speaker 1>crewed spacecraft will signal distress. What then, I mean, imagine

0:45:33.680 --> 0:45:37.239
<v Speaker 1>it's the nineteen sixties. What happens if there's a problem, right,

0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:40.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you have no recourse yet. So what he's

0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:44.239
<v Speaker 1>proposing is we need a space rescue program. So he says,

0:45:44.320 --> 0:45:47.320
<v Speaker 1>imagine a crew is stuck in a spacecraft in lower

0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:51.600
<v Speaker 1>th orbit caused by a malfunctioning retro rocket. Von Braun

0:45:51.760 --> 0:45:55.560
<v Speaker 1>essentially compares this to the situation of like a fishing

0:45:55.640 --> 0:45:59.040
<v Speaker 1>boat that gets stuck off shore at sea and starts sinking.

0:45:59.520 --> 0:46:01.879
<v Speaker 1>If you call for help and evacuate the crew into

0:46:01.920 --> 0:46:05.319
<v Speaker 1>a lifeboat, you can probably be saved. But we need

0:46:05.400 --> 0:46:09.520
<v Speaker 1>to develop the equivalent structures for rescue within space. You

0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:13.320
<v Speaker 1>need to develop lifeboats and rescue vehicles for space and

0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:16.719
<v Speaker 1>orbital flight the same way you'd have them for for

0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:20.160
<v Speaker 1>the ocean, right off the coast. So you would have

0:46:20.239 --> 0:46:23.800
<v Speaker 1>to send the orbital equivalent of a coastguard cutter essentially

0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:27.800
<v Speaker 1>to rescue a spacecraft in trouble. But that's difficult because

0:46:27.880 --> 0:46:30.880
<v Speaker 1>you have to wait for an appropriate launch window to

0:46:30.960 --> 0:46:33.200
<v Speaker 1>allow a rendezvous between the two ships. As we know

0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:36.680
<v Speaker 1>from rocket launches, you can't just fly up there, you

0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:37.920
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. It's not like getting in a

0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:42.160
<v Speaker 1>helicopter and heading off. That you're dealing with with massively

0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:46.680
<v Speaker 1>powerful velocities and great mass, so you essentially have to

0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:49.879
<v Speaker 1>aim your gun the right way to start with. Yeah,

0:46:49.880 --> 0:46:52.560
<v Speaker 1>it's an enormous undertaking. Yeah, and so, so you've got

0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:55.200
<v Speaker 1>to get this rendezvous between the two ships. And if

0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:58.960
<v Speaker 1>the ship in distress is suffering a real emergency, it

0:46:59.080 --> 0:47:01.600
<v Speaker 1>might be too long for them to wait for somebody

0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:04.160
<v Speaker 1>on Earth to line up the trajectory of the launch

0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:07.759
<v Speaker 1>and wait for the correct launch window. Um so uh.

0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:11.440
<v Speaker 1>For example, a substantial number of spacecraft and emergencies we

0:47:11.600 --> 0:47:14.319
<v Speaker 1>just know are going to demand immediate rescue. They're going

0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:17.400
<v Speaker 1>to be very urgent. For example of von Braun. It

0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:20.440
<v Speaker 1>gives the example of fire. This was back when NASA

0:47:20.920 --> 0:47:25.359
<v Speaker 1>was using oxygen environments and in its spacecraft. That don't

0:47:25.400 --> 0:47:29.719
<v Speaker 1>do that anymore. Yeah, exactly, and it led to disasters

0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:32.640
<v Speaker 1>in the history of the space program. Or another thing

0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:36.160
<v Speaker 1>might be penetration of the spacecraft by a heavy, heavy meteoroid.

0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:38.719
<v Speaker 1>You know, you get pelted with something, it breaks through

0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:41.879
<v Speaker 1>the hull. You've got to escape immediately. You can't wait

0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:46.439
<v Speaker 1>for rescue vehicle obviously, can collision with another spacecraft would

0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:49.200
<v Speaker 1>be a problem, or toxic fumes in the cabin or

0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:52.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe radiation contamination from He gives the example of an

0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:58.560
<v Speaker 1>onboard nuclear power source. Wow, that sounds pretty awful, but anyway,

0:47:58.600 --> 0:48:00.839
<v Speaker 1>So von Broun concludes that we need to think about

0:48:00.880 --> 0:48:04.880
<v Speaker 1>the concept of lifeboats that allow spacecraft crews to escape

0:48:04.880 --> 0:48:08.640
<v Speaker 1>immediately on their own terms. So he's what he's proposing

0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:11.200
<v Speaker 1>is escape pods. And so I'm going to mention a

0:48:11.280 --> 0:48:15.319
<v Speaker 1>few that are illustrated alongside this article from sixty six.

0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:18.279
<v Speaker 1>And these illustrations are great, by the way. So one

0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:23.080
<v Speaker 1>example that he gives is the emergency cocoon, and he says,

0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:26.960
<v Speaker 1>this is under test by General Electric quote shelters shipwrecked

0:48:27.040 --> 0:48:31.640
<v Speaker 1>spaceman in an inflated fabric ball, heat insulated by outer

0:48:31.800 --> 0:48:36.960
<v Speaker 1>later outer layers of aluminiumized plastic thin silicon rubber lining

0:48:37.040 --> 0:48:41.600
<v Speaker 1>retains oxygen carried for breathing, but let's unwanted carbon dioxide

0:48:41.680 --> 0:48:44.320
<v Speaker 1>and water vapor escape. So they're putting you in a

0:48:44.360 --> 0:48:46.840
<v Speaker 1>beach ball. Yeah, it's like a survival bubble kind of

0:48:46.840 --> 0:48:49.360
<v Speaker 1>the situation. You climb into a beach ball, you blast

0:48:49.440 --> 0:48:51.360
<v Speaker 1>off from your ship, and you just float around in

0:48:51.480 --> 0:48:54.600
<v Speaker 1>orbit in your beach ball until the rescue vehicle can

0:48:54.840 --> 0:48:56.719
<v Speaker 1>come up and get to you, you know, when you

0:48:56.800 --> 0:48:59.160
<v Speaker 1>can't remain in your ship. The other one would be

0:48:59.640 --> 0:49:04.040
<v Speaker 1>the separable shelter and This looks more like a huge

0:49:04.520 --> 0:49:07.600
<v Speaker 1>thermus that everybody gets in. Right. It also reminds like

0:49:07.680 --> 0:49:09.840
<v Speaker 1>both of these remind me of like toys you can

0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:13.200
<v Speaker 1>buy it ikea. The first one of ball. This second

0:49:13.239 --> 0:49:15.160
<v Speaker 1>one is like one of these little tunnels that you get.

0:49:15.480 --> 0:49:17.279
<v Speaker 1>Who It's like a like a fabric tunnel that you

0:49:17.360 --> 0:49:20.440
<v Speaker 1>stretch out and then children can crawl through. Yeah. So

0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:23.560
<v Speaker 1>von Brand says that the separable shelter it holds five

0:49:23.640 --> 0:49:26.120
<v Speaker 1>to fifteen men and can serve as a life raft

0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:29.160
<v Speaker 1>for large space vehicles of the future. Uh, And it

0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:32.160
<v Speaker 1>has rocket self propulsion that can boost it to higher,

0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:35.840
<v Speaker 1>longer lived orbit that allows more time for rescue. So

0:49:36.640 --> 0:49:39.360
<v Speaker 1>these are more like the sort of roomy escape shuttles

0:49:39.400 --> 0:49:43.120
<v Speaker 1>of sci fi movies. But they still require ultimate rendezvous

0:49:43.160 --> 0:49:45.399
<v Speaker 1>with the rescue vehicle that's going to gather the crew

0:49:45.800 --> 0:49:48.600
<v Speaker 1>and return to Earth under its own specifications. Right, These

0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:50.920
<v Speaker 1>things are not going to re enter the Earth's atmosphere

0:49:51.000 --> 0:49:53.400
<v Speaker 1>in their current form. Right. What if you want to

0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:55.600
<v Speaker 1>make an escape pod that will get you all the

0:49:55.680 --> 0:49:59.239
<v Speaker 1>way home on your own, Well, that's gonna be a

0:49:59.280 --> 0:50:02.480
<v Speaker 1>different undertake altogether, exactly. So it makes no sense to

0:50:02.560 --> 0:50:06.440
<v Speaker 1>have a full on re entry capable space ship inside

0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:09.360
<v Speaker 1>your regular spaceship, at least on the scale that we

0:50:09.480 --> 0:50:13.040
<v Speaker 1>create spaceships right now. Because spacecraft were then and are

0:50:13.080 --> 0:50:17.200
<v Speaker 1>still now totally optimized for weight and volume like that,

0:50:17.320 --> 0:50:20.320
<v Speaker 1>they tend to be very small, pack tight, and to

0:50:20.440 --> 0:50:23.200
<v Speaker 1>have as light as possible a design to make launch

0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:26.839
<v Speaker 1>economically feasible. For really crude understanding of this, if you've

0:50:26.880 --> 0:50:29.480
<v Speaker 1>never thought about it before, just look at the size

0:50:29.719 --> 0:50:33.000
<v Speaker 1>of the orbiter vehicle itself compared to the size of

0:50:33.080 --> 0:50:35.399
<v Speaker 1>the rockets used to get it in orbit with any

0:50:35.440 --> 0:50:39.240
<v Speaker 1>given launch. It's hilarious. There's usually there's way more fuel

0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:43.600
<v Speaker 1>than there is spaceship um, and so it's not feasible

0:50:43.680 --> 0:50:46.879
<v Speaker 1>to make a spaceship within your spaceship to get you home.

0:50:47.480 --> 0:50:50.080
<v Speaker 1>So how could you make a self contained re entry

0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:53.239
<v Speaker 1>vehicle that would be very light and fit in storage

0:50:53.320 --> 0:50:57.040
<v Speaker 1>on the already cramped crew vehicles of the nineteen sixties. Well,

0:50:57.320 --> 0:51:01.320
<v Speaker 1>some geniuses in space design and aeronautics in the nineteen

0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:05.240
<v Speaker 1>sixties had a solution to this, and it was inflatable options.

0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:09.080
<v Speaker 1>So we already mentioned the beach ball floating in space,

0:51:09.200 --> 0:51:11.040
<v Speaker 1>but this would be the beach ball that you re

0:51:11.320 --> 0:51:14.840
<v Speaker 1>enter the burning atmosphere through or I guess the atmosphere

0:51:14.920 --> 0:51:17.280
<v Speaker 1>is not burning, but once you're re entering the atmosphere

0:51:17.400 --> 0:51:21.960
<v Speaker 1>high velocity, you will be burning. So the space historian

0:51:22.080 --> 0:51:24.520
<v Speaker 1>James Oberg has a good article about this from two

0:51:24.600 --> 0:51:28.279
<v Speaker 1>thousand three called the Pod People Nice Reference, published in

0:51:28.400 --> 0:51:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Air and Space magazine, and he talks about how in

0:51:30.840 --> 0:51:33.719
<v Speaker 1>the early days of the space program, researchers were experimenting

0:51:33.800 --> 0:51:38.120
<v Speaker 1>with inflatable re entry vehicles called things like the inflatable

0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:42.719
<v Speaker 1>micro meteoroid paraglider. And this wasn't originally meant as an

0:51:42.880 --> 0:51:45.759
<v Speaker 1>escape pod, but as a research probe to fly up

0:51:45.800 --> 0:51:48.719
<v Speaker 1>in space and get pelted by micro medieroids, essentially to

0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:51.160
<v Speaker 1>try to figure out, you know, what's the density of

0:51:51.280 --> 0:51:53.319
<v Speaker 1>solid objects in Earth or but if you go up

0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:55.359
<v Speaker 1>in space, how often can you expect to get hit

0:51:55.480 --> 0:51:58.800
<v Speaker 1>by hard stuff? And so there were research vehicles like this,

0:51:58.920 --> 0:52:02.080
<v Speaker 1>but they also actually it end up designing inflatable re

0:52:02.360 --> 0:52:07.640
<v Speaker 1>entry vehicles, uh with with the designs essentially resembling as

0:52:07.680 --> 0:52:10.600
<v Speaker 1>I already said, paragliders, but they would have a heat

0:52:10.640 --> 0:52:12.680
<v Speaker 1>shield of some kind so that when you re enter

0:52:12.760 --> 0:52:15.279
<v Speaker 1>the atmosphere you don't catch on fire and burn up

0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:19.239
<v Speaker 1>and explode. One of the designs he mentions is a

0:52:19.320 --> 0:52:22.680
<v Speaker 1>modified rog Gallo wing, which is basically a hang glider,

0:52:23.120 --> 0:52:25.960
<v Speaker 1>but imagine sort of a hang glider with struts that,

0:52:26.120 --> 0:52:29.680
<v Speaker 1>instead of being made of metal, are a fabric tube

0:52:29.800 --> 0:52:32.560
<v Speaker 1>that gets inflated with gas to such a high pressure

0:52:32.640 --> 0:52:36.520
<v Speaker 1>that it becomes rigid. And so that's what we're dealing with.

0:52:36.760 --> 0:52:39.400
<v Speaker 1>But back to von Braun in nine in the nineteen

0:52:39.480 --> 0:52:41.960
<v Speaker 1>sixty six because he's going to point out, uh, some

0:52:42.160 --> 0:52:46.240
<v Speaker 1>of these crazy personal reentry vehicles that were under development

0:52:46.320 --> 0:52:49.279
<v Speaker 1>at the time he was writing. The first is the

0:52:49.440 --> 0:52:52.640
<v Speaker 1>space parachute, which he says is a is a concept

0:52:52.719 --> 0:52:57.120
<v Speaker 1>from Douglas and essentially it's an ejector seat sort of

0:52:57.200 --> 0:52:59.920
<v Speaker 1>like you would see in like a like a five

0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:01.840
<v Speaker 1>or jet, you know, if you have to eject, so

0:53:01.920 --> 0:53:05.160
<v Speaker 1>you're in your seat, and then you've got a retro

0:53:05.360 --> 0:53:08.080
<v Speaker 1>rocket that you used to orient yourself to de orbit

0:53:08.239 --> 0:53:11.400
<v Speaker 1>to come down back into the atmosphere. Um. And then

0:53:11.520 --> 0:53:14.520
<v Speaker 1>you've got this what what he calls a conical drag

0:53:14.800 --> 0:53:18.680
<v Speaker 1>skirt that deploys for self stabilizing reentry, so sort of

0:53:18.760 --> 0:53:21.680
<v Speaker 1>like a bowl extends around the seat. Yeah, if you

0:53:21.719 --> 0:53:23.680
<v Speaker 1>were to take like a very small baby doll, like

0:53:23.800 --> 0:53:26.440
<v Speaker 1>one about the size of you know, uh, you know,

0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:29.120
<v Speaker 1>about half the size of your index finger, put it

0:53:29.200 --> 0:53:32.640
<v Speaker 1>in a large metal bowl or like a tinfoil boil bowl,

0:53:32.840 --> 0:53:36.080
<v Speaker 1>and drop that bowl through a planetary atmosphere. That would

0:53:36.120 --> 0:53:39.000
<v Speaker 1>be what you'd be talking about here. Yeah, so that's

0:53:39.000 --> 0:53:41.640
<v Speaker 1>scary enough. But I want to get to the most

0:53:41.800 --> 0:53:46.320
<v Speaker 1>epically horrifying space escape capsule concept that I've come across

0:53:46.400 --> 0:53:49.080
<v Speaker 1>in the in research for this episode. And so this

0:53:49.239 --> 0:53:52.880
<v Speaker 1>thing was called moose and it was developed by General

0:53:52.960 --> 0:53:56.560
<v Speaker 1>Electric in the nineteen sixties. And according to James Oberg again,

0:53:57.080 --> 0:54:01.560
<v Speaker 1>the acronym moose originally stood for He says, man out

0:54:01.600 --> 0:54:07.120
<v Speaker 1>of Space Easiest is not an actual moose because no, okay,

0:54:07.160 --> 0:54:10.800
<v Speaker 1>but because we have had actual bears in escape pops

0:54:10.840 --> 0:54:14.040
<v Speaker 1>capsules already in this episode. Thank you for reminding me, Robert.

0:54:14.120 --> 0:54:15.759
<v Speaker 1>But no, they did as far as I know, they

0:54:15.800 --> 0:54:18.959
<v Speaker 1>did not test it on any ungulates. Is a moose

0:54:19.000 --> 0:54:23.160
<v Speaker 1>and ungulate I think it is? Yeah, okay, okay, um,

0:54:24.280 --> 0:54:26.719
<v Speaker 1>I should know my ungulates. But but no, no, no,

0:54:26.880 --> 0:54:30.200
<v Speaker 1>So the name was changed to stand for it like

0:54:30.280 --> 0:54:32.040
<v Speaker 1>they back renimmed it. You know they said, No, what

0:54:32.280 --> 0:54:36.799
<v Speaker 1>actually stands for is manned orbital operations safety equipment, which

0:54:36.880 --> 0:54:39.920
<v Speaker 1>is a little tortured. But okay, yeah, I mean you

0:54:40.040 --> 0:54:42.200
<v Speaker 1>really don't want to tell an astronaut that he or

0:54:42.239 --> 0:54:45.560
<v Speaker 1>she must climb into a device that's got the word

0:54:45.640 --> 0:54:48.160
<v Speaker 1>easiest in the title. Yeah. Well, but but I like

0:54:48.239 --> 0:54:50.600
<v Speaker 1>the idea of summoning the idea of the Moose for

0:54:50.719 --> 0:54:53.120
<v Speaker 1>your entry, because the Moose is rugged, the Moose is tough,

0:54:53.200 --> 0:54:56.400
<v Speaker 1>the moose, the moose is a you know, a stubborn,

0:54:56.480 --> 0:55:01.359
<v Speaker 1>willful creature, much like the astronauts. Uh zeal for life. Right,

0:55:01.600 --> 0:55:03.400
<v Speaker 1>so uh, and I do want to warn you you

0:55:03.480 --> 0:55:05.840
<v Speaker 1>should look up the Moose to get some some of

0:55:05.880 --> 0:55:08.320
<v Speaker 1>the illustrations of this thing. But also you might have

0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:10.279
<v Speaker 1>some trouble if you're if you're trying to look it up,

0:55:10.360 --> 0:55:14.200
<v Speaker 1>because there is another NASA project called Moose that stands

0:55:14.280 --> 0:55:16.520
<v Speaker 1>for something totally different and appears to me to be

0:55:16.600 --> 0:55:19.640
<v Speaker 1>a completely different thing. So space program really as Moose

0:55:19.719 --> 0:55:22.040
<v Speaker 1>is coming out both this is a fort NASA discovered

0:55:22.160 --> 0:55:25.880
<v Speaker 1>the rich pantheon of say Egyptian deities. Why we'll just

0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:29.600
<v Speaker 1>start we'll just plunder this, uh, this mythology and then

0:55:29.640 --> 0:55:33.240
<v Speaker 1>we don't have two things called moose. But okay, here's

0:55:33.280 --> 0:55:37.720
<v Speaker 1>the whole nightmare, as described by by von Bronze article.

0:55:38.200 --> 0:55:41.560
<v Speaker 1>So it says, quote self rescue moose a general electric

0:55:41.640 --> 0:55:45.480
<v Speaker 1>idea in cases, astronaut in a plastic bag that fills

0:55:45.520 --> 0:55:49.680
<v Speaker 1>with polyurethane foam to assume re entry shape. He uses

0:55:49.760 --> 0:55:53.800
<v Speaker 1>retrorocket to de orbit, then discards it. Bag has foldable

0:55:53.840 --> 0:55:57.520
<v Speaker 1>heat shield for re entry and parachute that automatically inferls

0:55:57.560 --> 0:56:01.080
<v Speaker 1>itself for landing. So if you're having trouble picturing that,

0:56:01.200 --> 0:56:04.360
<v Speaker 1>let me try to narrativise this a little bit. So

0:56:04.680 --> 0:56:07.160
<v Speaker 1>here's the way it works. Major Tom realizes, oh no,

0:56:07.920 --> 0:56:11.080
<v Speaker 1>my spacecraft is on fire and my pure oxygen environment

0:56:11.280 --> 0:56:14.239
<v Speaker 1>is raging out of control. Why did we do this? Well,

0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:17.399
<v Speaker 1>no time for recriminations. I must climb into the escape pod.

0:56:18.160 --> 0:56:21.239
<v Speaker 1>But really, the escape pod is a plastic bag with

0:56:21.360 --> 0:56:26.279
<v Speaker 1>a foldable sheet of elastomeric ablative heat shielding material. And

0:56:27.000 --> 0:56:29.760
<v Speaker 1>so he folds this thing out and the heat shield

0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:32.840
<v Speaker 1>folds out to about one point eight meters in diameter,

0:56:33.680 --> 0:56:37.840
<v Speaker 1>and then uh with him, He's got a canister of polyurethane.

0:56:38.320 --> 0:56:41.400
<v Speaker 1>So he gets into the folded heat shield and he

0:56:41.520 --> 0:56:44.440
<v Speaker 1>pulls a rip chord and this opens up the canister

0:56:44.560 --> 0:56:48.000
<v Speaker 1>of polyurethane, which which fills it up, fills up the

0:56:48.040 --> 0:56:51.240
<v Speaker 1>shield with polyurethane foam. So at this point the astronaut

0:56:51.320 --> 0:56:55.080
<v Speaker 1>has entombed themselves within a lump of polyurethane. Yeah. Yeah,

0:56:55.120 --> 0:56:57.200
<v Speaker 1>it's sort of the break and bake style of escape

0:56:57.200 --> 0:57:01.080
<v Speaker 1>pod creation. It's on the fly. Uh. So then you're

0:57:01.080 --> 0:57:03.440
<v Speaker 1>out of the ship and Major Tom's floating in space

0:57:03.520 --> 0:57:06.640
<v Speaker 1>in this bag on a bed of foam, and Major

0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:10.480
<v Speaker 1>Tom fires a small canister of gas propellant to orient

0:57:10.680 --> 0:57:13.640
<v Speaker 1>himself with the heat shield facing the proper direction for

0:57:13.760 --> 0:57:16.840
<v Speaker 1>re entry, and then he discards the gas propellant and

0:57:16.960 --> 0:57:21.280
<v Speaker 1>he uses a hand operated solid rocket engine to enter

0:57:21.400 --> 0:57:25.720
<v Speaker 1>the atmosphere. So Tom Tom's in a bag on some foam,

0:57:26.280 --> 0:57:30.440
<v Speaker 1>rocketing himself back to Earth by hand. There's a fabulous

0:57:30.520 --> 0:57:34.040
<v Speaker 1>mcgever kind of yeah. So, once in free fall in

0:57:34.080 --> 0:57:37.720
<v Speaker 1>the atmosphere, he opens a chest mounted parachute and then

0:57:37.800 --> 0:57:41.000
<v Speaker 1>comes down to the surface for a landing. And according

0:57:41.080 --> 0:57:45.880
<v Speaker 1>to the Encyclopedia Astronautica, General Electric, General Electric conducted a

0:57:45.960 --> 0:57:49.400
<v Speaker 1>bunch of tests and showed that the basic design of

0:57:49.520 --> 0:57:52.440
<v Speaker 1>moose worked, and they eventually tested it out on a

0:57:52.560 --> 0:57:56.080
<v Speaker 1>falling scenario by dropping a test pilot in a moose

0:57:56.680 --> 0:57:59.440
<v Speaker 1>six meters off of a bridge in Massachusetts, and they

0:57:59.560 --> 0:58:03.600
<v Speaker 1>say that the test pilot survived the impact. Congratulations falling

0:58:03.640 --> 0:58:07.400
<v Speaker 1>off a bridge in this thing. But anyway, Von Braun

0:58:07.520 --> 0:58:11.040
<v Speaker 1>writes of this and quote the space parachute that both

0:58:11.160 --> 0:58:14.160
<v Speaker 1>fold up for storage and a spacecraft both combine the

0:58:14.280 --> 0:58:18.040
<v Speaker 1>characteristics of a life raft, a space suit, overcoat and

0:58:18.200 --> 0:58:20.880
<v Speaker 1>a cocoon, which is just putting it in such a

0:58:20.960 --> 0:58:24.560
<v Speaker 1>soothing way. But then he goes on to point out

0:58:24.640 --> 0:58:27.360
<v Speaker 1>that while self rescue devices like these they will get

0:58:27.400 --> 0:58:30.400
<v Speaker 1>you back down to Earth, maybe not every time, but

0:58:30.600 --> 0:58:33.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, at least in theory they work, but they

0:58:33.040 --> 0:58:36.160
<v Speaker 1>won't guarantee that you will survive once you land. I

0:58:36.280 --> 0:58:38.320
<v Speaker 1>like that he points that out. This is a good

0:58:38.360 --> 0:58:41.560
<v Speaker 1>point because this is supposedly why the Russians and the

0:58:41.640 --> 0:58:44.840
<v Speaker 1>say used vehicle carried a survival pack up up and

0:58:44.920 --> 0:58:48.440
<v Speaker 1>back to space containing guns and ammunition. There was at

0:58:48.520 --> 0:58:52.480
<v Speaker 1>least one crash where there were there were wolves on

0:58:52.600 --> 0:58:55.200
<v Speaker 1>the prow. Yeah, this gun, if you ever get a

0:58:55.280 --> 0:58:57.280
<v Speaker 1>chance to read about it, is pretty interesting. So this,

0:58:57.600 --> 0:59:00.560
<v Speaker 1>the say used survival packet had a gun with three

0:59:00.640 --> 0:59:03.560
<v Speaker 1>barrels and a folding stock, and they said it also

0:59:03.640 --> 0:59:06.040
<v Speaker 1>worked as a shovel and had a swing out machete

0:59:06.160 --> 0:59:09.120
<v Speaker 1>in it. And then it also fired three types of ammunition,

0:59:09.160 --> 0:59:13.720
<v Speaker 1>which was rifle bullets, flares, and shotgun shells, which that

0:59:13.800 --> 0:59:16.520
<v Speaker 1>sounds like a gun you'd have in a video game. Yeah.

0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:19.680
<v Speaker 1>And again it's important to stress just the immense cost

0:59:19.760 --> 0:59:22.440
<v Speaker 1>of taking anything into orbit. So the fact that this

0:59:22.600 --> 0:59:25.480
<v Speaker 1>gun came on the journey and came back just in

0:59:25.560 --> 0:59:29.120
<v Speaker 1>the event that it would be helpful, Um, you know,

0:59:29.320 --> 0:59:31.720
<v Speaker 1>it says a lot. I'm so glad this never led

0:59:31.800 --> 0:59:35.600
<v Speaker 1>to shotgun and machete battles in space on the space station. Well,

0:59:35.640 --> 0:59:38.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, I actually would love to do an episode,

0:59:38.600 --> 0:59:41.400
<v Speaker 1>maybe a short episode, on this very topic, because there's

0:59:41.440 --> 0:59:46.560
<v Speaker 1>some wonderful material out there about actual, uh incidents of

0:59:46.640 --> 0:59:49.360
<v Speaker 1>guns in space, but also some proposed ideas that never

0:59:49.720 --> 0:59:53.280
<v Speaker 1>really took off. UH guns in space. Wow, that sounds

0:59:53.320 --> 0:59:55.720
<v Speaker 1>like such a horrible idea, But but then again, I

0:59:55.800 --> 0:59:58.000
<v Speaker 1>don't think this is stupid because, like we said, you

0:59:58.040 --> 1:00:01.760
<v Speaker 1>can understand if you land way off course in the wilderness,

1:00:01.920 --> 1:00:05.520
<v Speaker 1>it probably helps to have some survival equipment. Yeah, indeed,

1:00:05.600 --> 1:00:07.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, these things are gonna come down in

1:00:07.240 --> 1:00:10.960
<v Speaker 1>the in the wilderness. Who might need some survival equipment. Uh.

1:00:11.040 --> 1:00:15.400
<v Speaker 1>And the moose actually came with some gear oriented towards

1:00:15.520 --> 1:00:17.400
<v Speaker 1>on the ground survival as well, So it had a

1:00:17.480 --> 1:00:20.640
<v Speaker 1>survival kit, food and water, plus things to help the

1:00:20.720 --> 1:00:22.960
<v Speaker 1>astronaut be found. So it had a thing called us

1:00:23.000 --> 1:00:26.080
<v Speaker 1>so far bomb that's so far as an acurnym, which

1:00:26.120 --> 1:00:29.240
<v Speaker 1>is a device that uses an underwater explosion to allow

1:00:29.400 --> 1:00:32.200
<v Speaker 1>precise signaling of your location to people who are listening

1:00:32.280 --> 1:00:35.360
<v Speaker 1>for underwater sounds. It also had radar chaff and some

1:00:35.520 --> 1:00:40.240
<v Speaker 1>flares and that The Popular Science article has this awesome

1:00:40.360 --> 1:00:44.040
<v Speaker 1>illustration of the moose that Robert, I think you enjoyed

1:00:44.080 --> 1:00:47.840
<v Speaker 1>it as much as I did. But the astronaut has

1:00:47.880 --> 1:00:51.440
<v Speaker 1>a very placid face in this picture where he's laying

1:00:51.560 --> 1:00:54.320
<v Speaker 1>in this bed of foam that looks like it's just

1:00:54.440 --> 1:00:59.360
<v Speaker 1>a blob that's gonna envelop him and digest him. Yeah,

1:00:59.480 --> 1:01:02.080
<v Speaker 1>and the um and and the rockets that he's going

1:01:02.120 --> 1:01:04.600
<v Speaker 1>to use to maneuver. It has the look kind of

1:01:04.600 --> 1:01:07.000
<v Speaker 1>like a cross between a Hoover vacuum and like a

1:01:07.080 --> 1:01:10.800
<v Speaker 1>divining rod. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, he's holding this big

1:01:10.880 --> 1:01:15.520
<v Speaker 1>wishbone full of fire. But yeah, but this is great.

1:01:15.520 --> 1:01:19.040
<v Speaker 1>I would love to see this utilized in some sort

1:01:19.040 --> 1:01:21.640
<v Speaker 1>of an action sequence, you know, the sort of do

1:01:21.760 --> 1:01:24.360
<v Speaker 1>it yourself re entry where our action hero just has

1:01:24.400 --> 1:01:27.800
<v Speaker 1>to grab these two canisters, jump out of the of

1:01:27.880 --> 1:01:30.600
<v Speaker 1>the spacecraft and just make their way back down to

1:01:30.680 --> 1:01:32.920
<v Speaker 1>the here. Well, there are some great scenes in movies.

1:01:32.960 --> 1:01:35.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to spoil anything about movies that exist

1:01:35.600 --> 1:01:37.840
<v Speaker 1>because this usually is like the very end of the

1:01:37.880 --> 1:01:40.120
<v Speaker 1>sci fi movie. But they involved things like this, like

1:01:40.960 --> 1:01:46.520
<v Speaker 1>basically outside of vehicle maneuvering. That's very scary when you

1:01:46.600 --> 1:01:48.520
<v Speaker 1>think about it. I mean, to be lost in space

1:01:48.600 --> 1:01:52.480
<v Speaker 1>without any means of propulsion and safe reentry is is

1:01:52.640 --> 1:01:54.880
<v Speaker 1>just a death sentence. Can we name any of those

1:01:54.880 --> 1:01:56.240
<v Speaker 1>movies or it would be it would just be too

1:01:56.320 --> 1:01:58.200
<v Speaker 1>much of a spoiler. Well, I know, I know. One

1:01:58.280 --> 1:02:01.200
<v Speaker 1>of course is like gravity and Mues have some some

1:02:01.360 --> 1:02:04.040
<v Speaker 1>cool re entry stuff at the end. Yeah. There there's

1:02:04.080 --> 1:02:08.160
<v Speaker 1>also some stuff. And in the Martian did you see them? Yeah,

1:02:08.160 --> 1:02:11.400
<v Speaker 1>that's right, and there's some outside vehicle maneuvering. Okay, I

1:02:11.440 --> 1:02:13.120
<v Speaker 1>think maybe in both those films. I was falling asleep

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<v Speaker 1>towards the end. Uh you know, and it's but hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to spoil and say whether the individual

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<v Speaker 1>survived or not, because that, of course is the big,

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<v Speaker 1>big deal. It's one thing to initiate re entry. It's

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<v Speaker 1>another thing to actually make it all the way to

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth surface again and still be alive. Oh and

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that does give away that I did finally

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<v Speaker 1>see The Martian. People were asking after we did that

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<v Speaker 1>how to Die on Mars episode, people were like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>have you read The Martian? I don't know if the

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<v Speaker 1>movie was out yet, but when people were asking if

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<v Speaker 1>I read the book because it covered a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the same stuff we talked about. Yeah, it had not then,

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<v Speaker 1>but I have now. In keeping with that beach ball

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<v Speaker 1>design we had we talked about earlier, there's actually a

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<v Speaker 1>pre Challenger Shuttle era idea for a personal rescue enclosure

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<v Speaker 1>or pre rescue ball. This was in like eight success

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<v Speaker 1>centimeter diameter high tech beach ball for transport of astronauts

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<v Speaker 1>from space from from a spacecraft in distress to the

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<v Speaker 1>space shuttle. Uh So crew members would climb into the ball,

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<v Speaker 1>they'd assume a fetal position and they'd be zipped inside

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<v Speaker 1>by a space suited crew member. Huh, so this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is like what we were talking about towards the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of of Von Bronze article, where you you'd get

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<v Speaker 1>into a some kind of survival capsule and just wait

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<v Speaker 1>for rescue. Yeah and uh and again this was a

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<v Speaker 1>pre Challenger project from a time during which Shuttle crews

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<v Speaker 1>wore no space suits on board the Shuttle afterwards. Afterwards, however,

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<v Speaker 1>they wore pressure suits during liftoff. Again. Yeah, well that

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<v Speaker 1>seems like a smart idea. But okay, So Moose and

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<v Speaker 1>its contemporaries were basically shelved, but other space escape pod

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<v Speaker 1>concepts came to the four and some of them were

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<v Speaker 1>actually realized. Yeah. Yeah. For instance, there's the Jim and

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<v Speaker 1>I l s r S. So you know, obviously no

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<v Speaker 1>one wanted to go wind up stranded on the Moon,

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<v Speaker 1>yet the risk of this happening were rather high during

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<v Speaker 1>the Apollo Moon missions. As such, NASA designed the Gemini

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<v Speaker 1>Lunar Surface Rescue Spacecraft l s r S. And the

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<v Speaker 1>idea here is that in the event of the crew

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<v Speaker 1>wound up stranded on the Moon, NASA could send this

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<v Speaker 1>unmanned craft to their landing site that would be a

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<v Speaker 1>thirty day trip, and then the two crew members could

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<v Speaker 1>then board the craft to make a direct return to Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>NASA also developed an orbital variant aimed at rescuing three

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<v Speaker 1>individuals marooned in lunar orbit, as well as a lunar

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<v Speaker 1>surface survival survival shelter model aimed at giving astronauts on

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<v Speaker 1>the surface a little more time to await like a

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<v Speaker 1>full blown, uh, you know, manned rescue, and they eventually

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<v Speaker 1>planned to produce a universal lunar rescue vehicle to perform

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<v Speaker 1>all three tasks for a trio of astronauts. But this

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<v Speaker 1>was one of this one of those sort of later

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<v Speaker 1>day Apollo ideas that really came about too late. Like

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<v Speaker 1>our our interest in the Moon was was going away

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<v Speaker 1>at that point. Can you imagine and though actually being

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<v Speaker 1>stuck on the surface of the Moon for thirty days

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for you it's crazy. It's like I was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to sort of put it in terms of thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>like my own household. So at our house, we we

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<v Speaker 1>currently have two cars, new car and old car. And

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<v Speaker 1>if I go, if I drive to the grocery store,

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<v Speaker 1>if the car breaks down, a I can walk back

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<v Speaker 1>from the grocery store, or my wife can come and

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<v Speaker 1>pick me up in the car in the other car,

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<v Speaker 1>or something to that effect. You know. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of situation where there's there's only one car,

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<v Speaker 1>or it's gonna take or it's gonna take a tremendous

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<v Speaker 1>amount of effort to get a second car available, and

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<v Speaker 1>then to gas it up and send it on its

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<v Speaker 1>journey to pick you up at this impossible store and

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<v Speaker 1>you're driving to the middle of the desert in Arizona. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's um yeah. So I kept trying to put it

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<v Speaker 1>in in sort of like logistical, real life surface world terms,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know, some some models work, but some

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<v Speaker 1>just ultimately fall short of capturing the just severe isolation.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the closest thing I guess would be to just

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<v Speaker 1>to set out to the middle of the Arctic Ocean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Uh. Well, hey, so I've got a question. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what happens if you have to escape the International Space Station? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>luckily there there is a way, so um yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>let's say are in the International Space Station and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>something catastrophic happens, maybe there's space shrapnel or more problems

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<v Speaker 1>with the station's toilets, and those just get out of hand.

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<v Speaker 1>What some of the ammunition for the soy Use survival

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<v Speaker 1>kit just explodes, yeah, or you know, maybe just run

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<v Speaker 1>out of vodka. Whatever to the dilemma. There is an

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<v Speaker 1>escape craft on a hand, and it's one of those

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<v Speaker 1>Russian so use the space capsules. So we first flew

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<v Speaker 1>one to the I S. S in two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>it's been it's been a fixture ever since. It can

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<v Speaker 1>survive re entry as what as with the two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>nine Space Junks scare, it can also provide just a

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<v Speaker 1>safe refuge daring of the scare um. And following the

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand three Columbia Shuttle disaster, the soy Use served

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<v Speaker 1>as the primary means of transport to and from the

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<v Speaker 1>I S. S U. The trip took up to two days,

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<v Speaker 1>and the trip back was a mere three point five hours.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is the idea here with the so us

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<v Speaker 1>is that it's kind of like, all right, I'm terrified

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<v Speaker 1>of my car breaking down on my way to the store.

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<v Speaker 1>Why don't I just keep a car at the store, ye, permanently,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I can always drive that pack if something

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<v Speaker 1>goes wrong. Um, that's kind of the the idea here.

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<v Speaker 1>So the only thing is that up to so only

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<v Speaker 1>up to three crew members can return to Earth from

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<v Speaker 1>the I S S a board of so US t

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<v Speaker 1>M A spacecraft. The vehicle lands on the flat steep

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<v Speaker 1>of Kazakhstan in Central Asia. There again, the return takes

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<v Speaker 1>about three and a half hours. And this is why

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<v Speaker 1>you can you can only have three people on the

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<v Speaker 1>I S S at any given time unless there's another

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<v Speaker 1>craft present, because you can only get three people out

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<v Speaker 1>in an emergency. Right. If you have a fourth person

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<v Speaker 1>there and you've got to evacuate, one of them is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be taken the moose, right And it's yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's I'm sorry, I'm just kidding. They don't actually have

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<v Speaker 1>as far as far as we know, but but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you can't clown card this thing. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>just pack a bunch of people in there and have

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<v Speaker 1>them sort of hold on to the sides of the capsule.

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<v Speaker 1>You mean, you have to there has you have to

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<v Speaker 1>strap yourself in there. There's their oxygen logistics in place,

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<v Speaker 1>so three people are less no more. Now, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>to say we haven't looked into other possibilities. More I

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<v Speaker 1>guess you could say refined possibilities than just having a

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<v Speaker 1>three person spaceship on hand up there. Um. At one

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<v Speaker 1>point NASA was looking into the X thirty eight. This

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<v Speaker 1>was the I S S Crew return vehicle, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is a really cool design. It basically looked like a

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<v Speaker 1>mini like stubby Space Shuttle, UM and and this would

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<v Speaker 1>have this would have allowed them, you know, more individuals

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<v Speaker 1>to return from I S S to Earth. But it

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<v Speaker 1>was a pretty pre costly program. According to a Wired

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<v Speaker 1>magazine article from the time, the program had cost around

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<v Speaker 1>five million dollars so far, and then it was just

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<v Speaker 1>fifty million shy of completing its flight test. When basically

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<v Speaker 1>under the Georgia W. Bush administration, UH space and the

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<v Speaker 1>and re visiting the Moon became devalued as an objective,

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<v Speaker 1>so the X thirty eight went away as a possibility. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also worth noting that one of the more dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>things about rocket propulsion into space is just taking off.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like with with aviation. Of course, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the dangerous stent. That's that's when you have this enormous

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<v Speaker 1>explosion strapped to the bottom of the craft propelling you

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<v Speaker 1>up out of the atmosphere. So as as has become

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<v Speaker 1>important in the past, having a means of ejecting the

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<v Speaker 1>capsule from the top of that massive explosive rocket is

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<v Speaker 1>often highly advisable. And as we're going more and more

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<v Speaker 1>into into that launch style, we're seeing more and more

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<v Speaker 1>of a earned to that UM. So in a way,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going back to technology that we used with Mercury

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<v Speaker 1>and Apollo spacecraft. We see this in the form of

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<v Speaker 1>a basic launch escape system. So you have a talk

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<v Speaker 1>mounted rocket on the capsule that in the event of

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<v Speaker 1>a mishap during takeoff, can blast the man capsule clear

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<v Speaker 1>of the rocket and allow it to parachute back to

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<v Speaker 1>the surface. That seems very useful. Yeah, the sell Us

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<v Speaker 1>uses this, UH, this technology, and there are a number

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<v Speaker 1>of man spacecraft that are currently in development, UH, several

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<v Speaker 1>of which are capsule based and you know would also

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<v Speaker 1>employ this. So we're talking about like UH, NASA's Ryan

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<v Speaker 1>Multi Purpose Crew Vehicle SpaceX. UH they're Dragon V two.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also the the U S Bowing CST one hundred. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a there's a quote here that I found from

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<v Speaker 1>SpaceX officials and they said it's similar to an injection

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<v Speaker 1>seat for a fighter pilot, but instead of ejecting the

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<v Speaker 1>pilot out of the spacecraft, the entire spacecraft is ejected

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<v Speaker 1>away from the launch vehicle. And that is something that

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you can think of as as somewhat practical

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<v Speaker 1>to do cause of this inherent separation between the spacecraft

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<v Speaker 1>capsule and the launch vehicle itself. This is a natural division,

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<v Speaker 1>because they're going to be separating anyway at some point

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<v Speaker 1>during the ascent. Correct, Yeah, they're they're they're separate entities anyway. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, we're gonna take a quick break and when

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<v Speaker 1>we come back, we are going to look at a

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<v Speaker 1>few more escape pods for some stranger scenarios involving natural disasters. So, Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>you grew up in like Middle Tennessee, didn't you? Or

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<v Speaker 1>you or not? A lot of tornadoes in Chattanooga. We

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<v Speaker 1>got tornadoes. Yeah, we actually tornadoes have been right through

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<v Speaker 1>my parents neighborhood before, like right through the backyard. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't there at the time, but it's it's definitely

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<v Speaker 1>it can be scary when they whip through. Yeah. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I I haven't grown up in Middle Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 1>We had we had a lot of tornado scares as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and so that that possibility was always in the back

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<v Speaker 1>of my mind growing up. You know, the tornado could common.

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<v Speaker 1>What can you do? What can you do against the tornado?

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<v Speaker 1>It this titanic force of nature that's just going to

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<v Speaker 1>destroy everything in its path. Let's see, can we look

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<v Speaker 1>to movies for inspiration? What do they do in that

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<v Speaker 1>movie Twister? I believe they throw a candy bar in

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<v Speaker 1>one direction and then run in the other, and then

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<v Speaker 1>so that they distract the tornado with the candy blocks. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's how that went down. Uh No, generally

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<v Speaker 1>in uh in tornado movies and in tornado reality, like,

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<v Speaker 1>all you can do is find shelter. Right, if you

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<v Speaker 1>have a if you have a storm shelter, if you

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<v Speaker 1>have a a fortified storm basement, Um, you can run

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<v Speaker 1>in there, blatch the door, and just ride it out.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is very important, very important that your shelter

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<v Speaker 1>be a high quality shelter, like a building with a foundation.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh not necessarily something like a trailer. In fact, I

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<v Speaker 1>have often heard the advice given to people who are

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<v Speaker 1>living in mobile homes and trailers, anything that's not solidly

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<v Speaker 1>anchored to the ground or built on a foundation that

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<v Speaker 1>you're better off not in the trailer than in it,

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<v Speaker 1>because it essentially just turns into a death machine if

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<v Speaker 1>a tornado comes through and you're inside a mobile home. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so I think we've all consumed images'd be they mental images,

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<v Speaker 1>cinematic or otherwise, of trailers and mobile homes just sucked

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<v Speaker 1>up into the sky by deadly twisters, or certainly trailer

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<v Speaker 1>parks that have been devastated by actual tornadoes. But what

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<v Speaker 1>have you what have you actually had an escape pode

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<v Speaker 1>for your trailer? Uh? Now, before you envision a rocket

1:13:31.040 --> 1:13:34.320
<v Speaker 1>propelled trailer bathroom that blasts you away from the crumbling,

1:13:34.520 --> 1:13:36.800
<v Speaker 1>wind gripped trailer as it's you know, sucked into the

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<v Speaker 1>sky amid all the debris. Um, remember this as as

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<v Speaker 1>as a twister sucks the trailer up into the air,

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<v Speaker 1>what you want to do is stay firmly fixed to

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<v Speaker 1>the ground. Sure, I mean that's ultimately the design of

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<v Speaker 1>any escape capsule is getting me back to the surface

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<v Speaker 1>of the earth. But in this case, you're already on

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<v Speaker 1>the surface, so you just need to remain there at

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<v Speaker 1>all costs. So I'm following you so far, So where

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<v Speaker 1>do escape pods come in. Well, as far as I know,

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<v Speaker 1>this does not. This has has not been built yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe some individuals have have taken it upon themselves to

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<v Speaker 1>build it. I hope so, and if they did, I

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<v Speaker 1>would love to see the photos. But no, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about We're going into the wildest corners of

1:14:17.520 --> 1:14:22.400
<v Speaker 1>the patent internet. Yeah, particularly a patent for a tornado

1:14:22.600 --> 1:14:26.240
<v Speaker 1>escope escape capsule for trailer homes. Yeah, it's it is.

1:14:26.280 --> 1:14:29.120
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty ingenious. It's essentially a little safe room in

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<v Speaker 1>your trailer, anchored to the ground, and it consists of

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<v Speaker 1>the following. This is from the patent. First, an opening

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<v Speaker 1>formed in the floor of the house trailer and positioned

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<v Speaker 1>directly below said internal compartment, So if you're in your

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<v Speaker 1>compartment and underneath it there's like a hole in the floor.

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<v Speaker 1>An escape capsule dimensioned to be received and releasably supported

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<v Speaker 1>within set internal compartment. And then you have a ground

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<v Speaker 1>engaging anchor position beneath set internal compartment in the house trailer,

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<v Speaker 1>and then a tether that's connected between the escape capsule

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<v Speaker 1>and the grounding anchor. So it's it is like this

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<v Speaker 1>fancy little capsule in your trailer. There's a hole in

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<v Speaker 1>the trailer underneath it, and it's anchored to the ground firmly. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so I said, this is kind of ingenious. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're gonna go to the trouble to build this thing,

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<v Speaker 1>why not just anchor your trailer to the ground. Well, yeah,

1:15:21.840 --> 1:15:24.080
<v Speaker 1>you can. You can make that argument, and maybe that's

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<v Speaker 1>why this wasn't built. But but the I guess the

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<v Speaker 1>the the argument here is this way, you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to anchor the entire trailer to the ground. You just

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<v Speaker 1>anchor this one little safe him. Okay, well maybe in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean, I I assume most of

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<v Speaker 1>the danger of being in a trailer or a mobile

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<v Speaker 1>home when a tornado comes through comes from the fact

1:15:42.479 --> 1:15:44.720
<v Speaker 1>that it's not anchored and can be tossed around. But

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<v Speaker 1>maybe there is additional danger, uh, from being in the trailer,

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<v Speaker 1>Like if the if essentially, if the building materials are

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<v Speaker 1>not sturdy enough, does it does it get shredded and

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<v Speaker 1>turned into a bunch of knives flying at you that

1:15:56.360 --> 1:16:00.080
<v Speaker 1>were formerly the walls and ceiling. Yeah, I don't know,

1:16:00.360 --> 1:16:03.760
<v Speaker 1>but but maybe maybe this would avert that. Yeah, and

1:16:04.640 --> 1:16:06.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, and I guess also it's It's kind of

1:16:06.840 --> 1:16:09.080
<v Speaker 1>comes back to that old Seinfeldt about why don't they

1:16:09.120 --> 1:16:10.840
<v Speaker 1>just make the airplane out of whatever they made the

1:16:10.880 --> 1:16:14.360
<v Speaker 1>black box out of? Right? Like some maybe it's just

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<v Speaker 1>not it's not economically feasible to offer the trailer as

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<v Speaker 1>a fully anchored, fully storm proof living option. But but

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<v Speaker 1>what it Probably they probably don't do that because the

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<v Speaker 1>airplane couldn't get off the ground, right, But but what

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<v Speaker 1>if you could just have this one little capsule in

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<v Speaker 1>the house. But then I'd also that The thing is,

1:16:32.479 --> 1:16:35.920
<v Speaker 1>anyone who's ever been in a trailer before, and I

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<v Speaker 1>certainly have you, you don't have a lot of room

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<v Speaker 1>in there anyway. So the other thing is, how do

1:16:42.000 --> 1:16:45.600
<v Speaker 1>you sacrifice the room for this compartment unless you end

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<v Speaker 1>up utilizing it for something else, like I guess you

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<v Speaker 1>have to. You could use it as a closet, But

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<v Speaker 1>then I can well imagine the scenario where someone looks

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<v Speaker 1>out the window or they turn on the radio, Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my goodness, there's a twister coming. I've got to clean

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<v Speaker 1>out the closet because that is my only chance to

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<v Speaker 1>survive evil. And so you're frantically trying to move everything

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<v Speaker 1>out of the board. Games. We never even play these, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, because other options, what you could have

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<v Speaker 1>it be the bathroom. How would that work to have

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<v Speaker 1>your your bathroom be the escape capsule? The showers? What

1:17:12.760 --> 1:17:14.920
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking. You get into the shower and it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a I don't know why the shower I guess

1:17:17.880 --> 1:17:20.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, because it's like a it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>sealed off little box in a certain way. Yeah, Like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I could see that working, and and you would You

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<v Speaker 1>would probably not fill the shower up with just a

1:17:29.240 --> 1:17:31.760
<v Speaker 1>bunch of junk in the meantime, and the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>you would use the shower would make it remain an

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<v Speaker 1>open option for escape capsule. Right. Then again, you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be flying around inside the shower and bashing

1:17:41.240 --> 1:17:44.160
<v Speaker 1>your head against the faucet, right, So you'd have to

1:17:44.200 --> 1:17:47.800
<v Speaker 1>have like a shower like at padding and straps on

1:17:47.840 --> 1:17:51.200
<v Speaker 1>the walls, strap yourself in man a padded shower. They'll

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<v Speaker 1>probably get a little mildewy, wouldn't it if the material

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<v Speaker 1>was right? I don't know. I think we're updating the

1:17:57.200 --> 1:18:00.920
<v Speaker 1>patent here. I think we have some great ideas. Uh okay, well,

1:18:00.960 --> 1:18:04.639
<v Speaker 1>I've got another escape pod for a sort of escape

1:18:04.680 --> 1:18:10.360
<v Speaker 1>pod for natural disasters, and these are tsunami survival capsules.

1:18:10.840 --> 1:18:13.360
<v Speaker 1>There are multiple designs have come across for this. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds crazy, but I could find evidence of at

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<v Speaker 1>least a couple of real companies that have created and

1:18:18.560 --> 1:18:22.760
<v Speaker 1>manufactured tsunami escape pod. So the first one is a

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<v Speaker 1>product that was known as the Noah or Noah's Arc

1:18:26.600 --> 1:18:29.919
<v Speaker 1>and it was created by a Japanese company called Cosmo

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<v Speaker 1>Power almost ten years ago. I got some press in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand eleven, I assume related to the March two

1:18:37.200 --> 1:18:40.919
<v Speaker 1>thousand eleven earthquake and tsunami that hit Japan. But basically

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like a giant yellow ball with a hatch

1:18:44.280 --> 1:18:47.320
<v Speaker 1>and a little porthole window near the top. And the

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<v Speaker 1>yellow color is strategic because it hopefully makes the escape

1:18:50.680 --> 1:18:54.240
<v Speaker 1>capsule easier for rescuers to find once the devastation is over.

1:18:54.960 --> 1:18:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Uh And the structure is made of enhanced fiberglass and

1:18:57.920 --> 1:19:02.240
<v Speaker 1>the company claims it is strong enough to withstand earthquakes, hurricanes,

1:19:02.400 --> 1:19:06.040
<v Speaker 1>and tsunamis. But so the obvious ideas of tsunami is coming,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got one of these things, I don't know, I

1:19:08.160 --> 1:19:10.000
<v Speaker 1>guess you would have it sitting out in your backyard

1:19:10.160 --> 1:19:12.439
<v Speaker 1>or something. You'd want to have it a place where

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<v Speaker 1>you could float free, wherever it is on the roof

1:19:14.880 --> 1:19:17.759
<v Speaker 1>of the house. Maybe maybe yeah, But everybody, you realize

1:19:17.800 --> 1:19:20.439
<v Speaker 1>the tsunami is coming. You climb into this thing, and

1:19:20.560 --> 1:19:23.599
<v Speaker 1>it has enough room inside to hold four adults. Inside.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a floor and a pole, just a metal

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<v Speaker 1>pole going straight through the center of the sphere. And

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that is to cling to while you're hoping

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<v Speaker 1>this thing works. But anyway, according to an ABC News report,

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<v Speaker 1>the shelters were selling for about four thousand dollars apiece

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand eleven. I don't know if this company

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<v Speaker 1>still exists in any form, or if these things are

1:19:45.240 --> 1:19:48.720
<v Speaker 1>still made, or if anybody has ever used one successfully,

1:19:49.760 --> 1:19:53.280
<v Speaker 1>But there is one product. I'd make of it what

1:19:53.439 --> 1:19:55.519
<v Speaker 1>you will the product, and they would. That's the thing too,

1:19:55.560 --> 1:19:58.280
<v Speaker 1>there selling the product. They're selling the idea of the

1:19:58.360 --> 1:20:00.519
<v Speaker 1>skate a capsule more than anything, much like you know,

1:20:00.680 --> 1:20:04.000
<v Speaker 1>much like a storm shelter or a bomb shelter. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that there is an escape. It's an idea

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<v Speaker 1>that if the tsunami occurs, if the tornado occurs, if yeah,

1:20:11.520 --> 1:20:14.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, nuclear armageddon occurs, there is some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>an escape, There is some so there's an escape capsule

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<v Speaker 1>for this scenario that my my primitive parts of my

1:20:21.880 --> 1:20:25.320
<v Speaker 1>brain can can feel good about. Yeah. Obviously I claim

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<v Speaker 1>no expertise in how to survive high energy events, but

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<v Speaker 1>I looking at these things, I do have to wonder.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, okay, so they float, that's good. You're you're

1:20:34.600 --> 1:20:37.680
<v Speaker 1>not gonna get trapped underwater hopefully, you know, so you're

1:20:37.720 --> 1:20:39.759
<v Speaker 1>in this thing, you'll float up to the top eventually

1:20:39.880 --> 1:20:42.640
<v Speaker 1>and be rescued. But also, you know, a tsunami is

1:20:42.640 --> 1:20:46.120
<v Speaker 1>an incredibly high energy event, and so it's gonna have

1:20:46.280 --> 1:20:49.800
<v Speaker 1>you bashing around at things. Now they can probably I guess,

1:20:49.920 --> 1:20:52.640
<v Speaker 1>pad the inside of this thing, but you're also going

1:20:52.680 --> 1:20:54.479
<v Speaker 1>to be in there with other people, and there's this

1:20:54.600 --> 1:20:57.479
<v Speaker 1>metal pole for you to hold onto. I just wonder

1:20:57.560 --> 1:20:59.600
<v Speaker 1>if when you open this thing up at the end,

1:20:59.720 --> 1:21:01.360
<v Speaker 1>is it is going to be like a big bloody

1:21:01.439 --> 1:21:05.439
<v Speaker 1>mess inside unless you pack enough. Sorry for the horrible image,

1:21:05.520 --> 1:21:07.519
<v Speaker 1>but unless you do, you do go complete clown car

1:21:07.600 --> 1:21:09.040
<v Speaker 1>in this and you just make sure that you fill

1:21:09.080 --> 1:21:12.240
<v Speaker 1>it up completely, and then some individuals survives, some don't.

1:21:12.240 --> 1:21:14.080
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like there's like not enough room for

1:21:14.120 --> 1:21:17.320
<v Speaker 1>you to knock around. Yeah, yeah, you kind of. You do,

1:21:17.439 --> 1:21:20.960
<v Speaker 1>like the different species of ants that make barges out

1:21:21.000 --> 1:21:25.600
<v Speaker 1>of themselves, you know. Well, anyway, there is another tsunami

1:21:25.800 --> 1:21:29.080
<v Speaker 1>survival capsule that came across a similar device created by

1:21:29.120 --> 1:21:33.840
<v Speaker 1>aircraft engineers Julian Sharp and Scott Hill. And this one

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<v Speaker 1>it's got its own website. And instead of being yellow,

1:21:36.560 --> 1:21:39.200
<v Speaker 1>this is a red orange color. And instead of the

1:21:39.680 --> 1:21:45.000
<v Speaker 1>minimalist floor and poll interior layout, the survival capsule has

1:21:45.439 --> 1:21:48.160
<v Speaker 1>fitted seats with seat belts that look kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>pilot's chairs, and it seats to to ten adults depending

1:21:52.120 --> 1:21:54.120
<v Speaker 1>on the model. I just want to read off some

1:21:54.200 --> 1:21:57.559
<v Speaker 1>of the standard features. Uh. Safety seating with four point

1:21:57.640 --> 1:22:01.759
<v Speaker 1>harness straps, storage space with efficient for they say sufficient

1:22:01.840 --> 1:22:05.679
<v Speaker 1>for five days, supply per person, supply of what I'm

1:22:05.720 --> 1:22:11.640
<v Speaker 1>not quite sure, water storage, internal light, GPS, air ventilation

1:22:11.840 --> 1:22:15.840
<v Speaker 1>vents uh that they say it's high visibility unit, color,

1:22:16.680 --> 1:22:22.120
<v Speaker 1>air supply tanks, hard restraints support uh, watertight marine door

1:22:22.400 --> 1:22:26.519
<v Speaker 1>and a marine standard window, little porthole. But then this

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<v Speaker 1>was the thing that got me. They said, Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>all that stuff Okay, you can see why you'd have

1:22:31.720 --> 1:22:35.800
<v Speaker 1>all those things. But they've also got optional features they advertise,

1:22:35.960 --> 1:22:40.040
<v Speaker 1>including surround sound music system. This would be a must,

1:22:40.120 --> 1:22:42.840
<v Speaker 1>I think, And I've got to to two reasons here. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, ambient music has a tremendous soothing qualities.

1:22:47.680 --> 1:22:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Music for airports, bran, you know, and that's what will

1:22:49.960 --> 1:22:52.880
<v Speaker 1>get you through, you know. And maybe he would have

1:22:53.120 --> 1:22:55.720
<v Speaker 1>he would he would create a custom composition, you know,

1:22:55.920 --> 1:23:01.240
<v Speaker 1>music for yeah, but yeah, you'll be able to calm

1:23:01.320 --> 1:23:03.679
<v Speaker 1>yourself down. But the other thing is, if you pay

1:23:04.479 --> 1:23:07.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm guessing a fairly ridiculous sum for this

1:23:08.120 --> 1:23:11.360
<v Speaker 1>upscale survival capsule, you might want to spend some time

1:23:11.400 --> 1:23:13.439
<v Speaker 1>in it, like I would want to. I would if

1:23:13.439 --> 1:23:14.880
<v Speaker 1>I had a stressful day. I don't want to go

1:23:15.040 --> 1:23:17.880
<v Speaker 1>home and just climb into my survival capsule and maybe

1:23:17.920 --> 1:23:22.160
<v Speaker 1>crank some tunes. I'm with you, I can see it. Yeah,

1:23:22.560 --> 1:23:24.760
<v Speaker 1>it can be your safe place. Okay, what are my

1:23:24.800 --> 1:23:27.360
<v Speaker 1>other options? I'm already on board for the music. You

1:23:27.439 --> 1:23:31.240
<v Speaker 1>can pay up for dry powder, seat toilet, Okay. So

1:23:32.320 --> 1:23:35.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, because on one hand, we we all

1:23:36.520 --> 1:23:39.720
<v Speaker 1>who have access to modern plumbing or very grateful for

1:23:40.040 --> 1:23:43.600
<v Speaker 1>that that luxury. Many people throughout human history have not

1:23:43.720 --> 1:23:48.000
<v Speaker 1>had such luxuries. But do you really want I don't know.

1:23:48.120 --> 1:23:50.439
<v Speaker 1>I mean, on one hand, I guess it might be

1:23:50.560 --> 1:23:52.840
<v Speaker 1>better than the alternative, But I'm just thinking about the

1:23:52.920 --> 1:23:57.000
<v Speaker 1>idea of human waste slashing around in a survival capsule.

1:23:57.640 --> 1:23:59.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess maybe it's going to be coming

1:23:59.280 --> 1:24:01.360
<v Speaker 1>out either way, and it's just a question do you

1:24:01.439 --> 1:24:03.720
<v Speaker 1>have a toilet or not? Yeah, And I'm wondering what

1:24:03.840 --> 1:24:05.880
<v Speaker 1>this consists of, because it instantly makes me think of

1:24:06.560 --> 1:24:09.599
<v Speaker 1>overnight canoe trip, the trips that I've been on where

1:24:09.760 --> 1:24:12.679
<v Speaker 1>you were required by the park to have a toilet

1:24:12.760 --> 1:24:16.160
<v Speaker 1>option on the canoe, and what what we had was,

1:24:16.320 --> 1:24:18.400
<v Speaker 1>and instance, it's kind of an escape capsule. It was

1:24:18.560 --> 1:24:21.360
<v Speaker 1>a folder's coffee can with kitty letter in it. In

1:24:21.479 --> 1:24:23.479
<v Speaker 1>the event that you needed to use the restroom in there,

1:24:23.560 --> 1:24:25.519
<v Speaker 1>you certainly could. It would not be fun, but it

1:24:25.600 --> 1:24:28.880
<v Speaker 1>could be done. And just having it there, you know,

1:24:29.000 --> 1:24:30.960
<v Speaker 1>made you feel a little easier and made the park

1:24:31.080 --> 1:24:33.920
<v Speaker 1>rangers feel a little easier. I guess. So maybe it's

1:24:33.960 --> 1:24:37.040
<v Speaker 1>all psychological, Yeah, I think, I mean, that's that's a

1:24:37.160 --> 1:24:39.960
<v Speaker 1>large part of any escape system. That's true. Yeah, you

1:24:40.040 --> 1:24:44.120
<v Speaker 1>got to manage your mind. But then there's additional internal lighting.

1:24:44.200 --> 1:24:47.479
<v Speaker 1>You can pay up for solar panel array that would

1:24:47.520 --> 1:24:51.479
<v Speaker 1>that survive a tsunami external solar panel array and you're

1:24:51.479 --> 1:24:53.720
<v Speaker 1>getting hit by a giant wave. I mean maybe if

1:24:53.760 --> 1:24:56.880
<v Speaker 1>it was properly shielded with some sort of you know,

1:24:57.479 --> 1:25:00.960
<v Speaker 1>like a like a really firm plexiglass of situation. I'm

1:25:01.000 --> 1:25:05.559
<v Speaker 1>wondering about that. But then additional internal insulation acoustic and thermal.

1:25:05.760 --> 1:25:08.840
<v Speaker 1>And then finally they've got color options. And I thought

1:25:08.880 --> 1:25:11.479
<v Speaker 1>the whole point was we wanted to be visible though, Yeah,

1:25:11.520 --> 1:25:13.599
<v Speaker 1>well it's this red orange color. I mean, the other

1:25:13.640 --> 1:25:16.439
<v Speaker 1>one's a yellow color. I'd imagine either one could be visible,

1:25:16.560 --> 1:25:18.680
<v Speaker 1>so maybe you can also be yellow. It would be

1:25:18.760 --> 1:25:21.920
<v Speaker 1>horrible if you wanted to pick a survival capsule that

1:25:22.080 --> 1:25:26.960
<v Speaker 1>was like, I don't know, seawater gray. Yeah, yeah, surely

1:25:26.960 --> 1:25:30.080
<v Speaker 1>they wouldn't allow that. But maybe like zebra stripes, I

1:25:30.120 --> 1:25:32.280
<v Speaker 1>could see where there might be some sort of custom

1:25:32.760 --> 1:25:35.240
<v Speaker 1>I catching color. You'd go for a racing stripe, yea

1:25:35.800 --> 1:25:38.840
<v Speaker 1>NASCAR number, though, I do want to say, I mean,

1:25:38.920 --> 1:25:41.479
<v Speaker 1>while the concept of these capsules is kind of funny

1:25:41.520 --> 1:25:44.120
<v Speaker 1>to me, obviously I mean, if you reckon it all

1:25:44.280 --> 1:25:48.160
<v Speaker 1>with the real outcome of a tsunami, I mean, these

1:25:48.200 --> 1:25:50.960
<v Speaker 1>are some of the most devastating natural disasters in all

1:25:51.040 --> 1:25:54.080
<v Speaker 1>the world and all of world history and uh and

1:25:54.439 --> 1:25:56.800
<v Speaker 1>and it can be truly horrifying. And it's one of

1:25:56.880 --> 1:25:59.200
<v Speaker 1>those things where you think, while there really is no

1:25:59.360 --> 1:26:01.679
<v Speaker 1>great escape from this if you don't have for warning.

1:26:02.400 --> 1:26:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Um and so, anybody who could design a viable tsunami

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<v Speaker 1>survival capsule that people could really use to survive could

1:26:11.280 --> 1:26:13.639
<v Speaker 1>be affordable too many. I mean, I think that would

1:26:13.680 --> 1:26:15.800
<v Speaker 1>be a worthwhile thing to pursue. So I don't want to.

1:26:16.320 --> 1:26:18.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to just make jokes about what these

1:26:18.400 --> 1:26:21.760
<v Speaker 1>people are doing. I don't know, the toilet seems a

1:26:21.760 --> 1:26:24.439
<v Speaker 1>little funny to me, but but yeah, I mean, if

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<v Speaker 1>you can actually make a capsule and you can get

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<v Speaker 1>it to the people who are most vulnerable to tsunamis,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a noble thing to do. Plus, let's

1:26:31.439 --> 1:26:34.280
<v Speaker 1>face it, if if you can't laugh about pooping in

1:26:34.360 --> 1:26:37.240
<v Speaker 1>a coffee canister right on the on the on the

1:26:37.400 --> 1:26:40.479
<v Speaker 1>escape barge, on the in the survival capsule, then what's

1:26:40.520 --> 1:26:43.280
<v Speaker 1>the purpose of surviving? You know, because our humanity has

1:26:43.320 --> 1:26:46.400
<v Speaker 1>to survive, and that entails being able to laugh at

1:26:46.439 --> 1:26:49.559
<v Speaker 1>the prospect of pooping in a folder's canister. That humorous

1:26:49.640 --> 1:26:52.799
<v Speaker 1>gesture would be the true presence of a happy spirit

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<v Speaker 1>on board. Alright, So I have one more example of

1:26:57.160 --> 1:26:59.880
<v Speaker 1>an escape capsule to discuss here. So many of the

1:27:00.200 --> 1:27:02.719
<v Speaker 1>capsules we've mentioned share the same mission, right to return

1:27:02.760 --> 1:27:06.560
<v Speaker 1>adventurous humans to the Earth's surface from a malfunctioning aircraft

1:27:06.800 --> 1:27:09.800
<v Speaker 1>to the surface, etcetera. But what about when things go

1:27:09.960 --> 1:27:12.519
<v Speaker 1>hey wire beneath the surface of the Earth. Are you

1:27:12.640 --> 1:27:18.360
<v Speaker 1>talking about underground core drilling vehicles like in the Core? Um, well,

1:27:18.400 --> 1:27:20.679
<v Speaker 1>we're not quite there yet. Did they have an escape capsule,

1:27:20.720 --> 1:27:23.040
<v Speaker 1>like some sort of thing that came up. I'm sorry

1:27:23.080 --> 1:27:25.320
<v Speaker 1>to say this. I've never seen the Core. Oh yeah,

1:27:26.040 --> 1:27:29.000
<v Speaker 1>well it makes me this idea makes me think of

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<v Speaker 1>the the terror dome on a teenage muntant Ninja turtles, right,

1:27:33.040 --> 1:27:34.800
<v Speaker 1>because it would it would drill down, and I think

1:27:34.840 --> 1:27:37.519
<v Speaker 1>they had they had the equivalent of like a a

1:27:37.560 --> 1:27:39.640
<v Speaker 1>little drill vehicle that would come up that was kind

1:27:39.640 --> 1:27:42.200
<v Speaker 1>of like an escape capsule that the foot soldiers would

1:27:42.240 --> 1:27:44.360
<v Speaker 1>jump out of in the video game. Right, I don't

1:27:44.400 --> 1:27:47.439
<v Speaker 1>remember anything about that, but I believe you well it was.

1:27:47.720 --> 1:27:50.200
<v Speaker 1>It was fantastic and uh, you know, could probably not

1:27:50.320 --> 1:27:52.960
<v Speaker 1>exist in real life, but here's an example of something

1:27:53.000 --> 1:27:57.120
<v Speaker 1>that did. So you can find various mining escape capsule

1:27:57.280 --> 1:28:00.680
<v Speaker 1>patents out there, but the most notable deployment it real

1:28:00.800 --> 1:28:03.360
<v Speaker 1>life deployment of so of one of these systems came

1:28:03.439 --> 1:28:06.599
<v Speaker 1>in the wake of the two thousand ten Chilean mining acts.

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<v Speaker 1>And do you remember when this occurred. I don't. I mean,

1:28:09.560 --> 1:28:13.920
<v Speaker 1>I remember various mining accidents, but this one, the particulars

1:28:14.000 --> 1:28:16.000
<v Speaker 1>of it don't stand out to me. So what happened here,

1:28:16.320 --> 1:28:19.559
<v Speaker 1>So this was thirty three miners trapped seven hundred meters

1:28:19.640 --> 1:28:24.240
<v Speaker 1>that's feet underground and uh and about five kilometers or

1:28:24.320 --> 1:28:27.720
<v Speaker 1>three miles from the mind's interests entrants. So this was

1:28:27.880 --> 1:28:29.920
<v Speaker 1>a pretty big deal. They made a movie about it recently,

1:28:30.040 --> 1:28:31.800
<v Speaker 1>like I think they caught it thirty three or the

1:28:31.880 --> 1:28:36.479
<v Speaker 1>thirty three. Um, so they're they're trapped in this hostile environment. Um,

1:28:36.680 --> 1:28:40.799
<v Speaker 1>it's it's hot down there, it's dark. Uh, it's cramped,

1:28:40.840 --> 1:28:43.800
<v Speaker 1>and they've got to get out right, So to rescue them,

1:28:44.320 --> 1:28:48.080
<v Speaker 1>what they did is they utilize steel rescue capsules and

1:28:48.200 --> 1:28:52.400
<v Speaker 1>these these were updated takes on the torpedo like doll

1:28:52.479 --> 1:28:56.439
<v Speaker 1>Busch bomb that have been employed since the mid nineteen fifties.

1:28:56.479 --> 1:29:00.360
<v Speaker 1>Developed in Germany. Doll bush bomb. Yeah, that's what they

1:29:00.600 --> 1:29:01.800
<v Speaker 1>called it because I guess it kind of looks like

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<v Speaker 1>a bomb, kind of looks like a torpedo. And this

1:29:03.800 --> 1:29:07.559
<v Speaker 1>was used. This was employed again in the mid nineteen

1:29:07.600 --> 1:29:11.280
<v Speaker 1>fifties in a German mine. So they updated this. They

1:29:11.400 --> 1:29:14.640
<v Speaker 1>dubbed it the Phoenix and they were constructed by the

1:29:14.720 --> 1:29:18.080
<v Speaker 1>Chilean Navy with design input from NASA, and they implemented

1:29:18.160 --> 1:29:22.519
<v Speaker 1>most of NASA's changes. Uh So, when the when the

1:29:22.800 --> 1:29:24.680
<v Speaker 1>mining accident occurred, this was you know, this was a

1:29:24.720 --> 1:29:27.440
<v Speaker 1>big this is big news. It was captivating all the headlines.

1:29:27.520 --> 1:29:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Everyone's really concerned. There's a lot of international attention and

1:29:31.040 --> 1:29:34.080
<v Speaker 1>thus NASA's involvement as well. But I'm trying to imagine,

1:29:34.120 --> 1:29:37.560
<v Speaker 1>like what does a mine, a mine escape pod look like? Like,

1:29:37.680 --> 1:29:40.120
<v Speaker 1>how does that work? It basically looks like a torpedo.

1:29:40.200 --> 1:29:42.439
<v Speaker 1>And the idea is, all right, you're down there in

1:29:42.479 --> 1:29:46.000
<v Speaker 1>this this subterranean environment. If we can get a shaft

1:29:46.080 --> 1:29:48.240
<v Speaker 1>down there to you and we can potentially get you

1:29:48.360 --> 1:29:51.320
<v Speaker 1>back up or or if there's an adjacent shaft and

1:29:51.400 --> 1:29:53.880
<v Speaker 1>we can somehow get you to that shaft, etcetera. So this,

1:29:54.439 --> 1:29:57.040
<v Speaker 1>this Phoenix capsule consisted of again look kind of like

1:29:57.080 --> 1:30:00.479
<v Speaker 1>this torpedo looking device. Each one had retractable wheels to

1:30:00.560 --> 1:30:02.920
<v Speaker 1>allow for a smoother ride to the surface, so the

1:30:02.920 --> 1:30:05.920
<v Speaker 1>wheels would skit along the sides of the vertical shaft

1:30:06.000 --> 1:30:09.320
<v Speaker 1>that you're you're being pulled back up. Each one have

1:30:09.560 --> 1:30:14.920
<v Speaker 1>an oxygen supply, lighting, video and voice communications, reinforce roof

1:30:15.080 --> 1:30:17.679
<v Speaker 1>to protect against a foot rocks that are falling, because

1:30:17.760 --> 1:30:22.280
<v Speaker 1>rocks could fall uh down the tunnel that you're ascending

1:30:22.640 --> 1:30:25.600
<v Speaker 1>and you need protection against those. Um. And also an

1:30:25.760 --> 1:30:28.240
<v Speaker 1>escape hatch with a safety device to allow the passenger

1:30:28.320 --> 1:30:31.920
<v Speaker 1>to lower themselves back down if the capsule became stuck

1:30:32.080 --> 1:30:35.080
<v Speaker 1>on up. God, that would be scary. Yeah. So these

1:30:35.120 --> 1:30:38.240
<v Speaker 1>were these were pretty These were pretty amazing little devices. Um,

1:30:38.600 --> 1:30:41.040
<v Speaker 1>and they've I think they were they were making the

1:30:41.120 --> 1:30:42.720
<v Speaker 1>rounds for a little bit, like a little bit because

1:30:42.720 --> 1:30:44.000
<v Speaker 1>they were showing them off because they were able to

1:30:44.000 --> 1:30:48.400
<v Speaker 1>successfully get everyone out of the mind using the Phoenix capsules. Really, yeah,

1:30:48.560 --> 1:30:51.480
<v Speaker 1>this is weird. I'm feeling this. I don't usually experience

1:30:51.760 --> 1:30:56.120
<v Speaker 1>strong clustrophobia. But just now contemplating this, I'm overwhelmed. Well

1:30:56.160 --> 1:30:58.479
<v Speaker 1>you should. You should definitely check out more about the story.

1:30:58.520 --> 1:31:00.240
<v Speaker 1>There was a wonderful I want to say, was an

1:31:00.280 --> 1:31:04.880
<v Speaker 1>episode of the Ideas podcast out of Canada that into

1:31:04.920 --> 1:31:06.840
<v Speaker 1>it that I think the interviewed an author had written

1:31:06.840 --> 1:31:08.719
<v Speaker 1>a book about it. I think it's the same book

1:31:08.760 --> 1:31:10.800
<v Speaker 1>that the movie was based on, and they went into

1:31:10.840 --> 1:31:14.519
<v Speaker 1>detail just talking about just how bad the situation was,

1:31:14.760 --> 1:31:18.400
<v Speaker 1>and like the attitudes among the survivors and and what

1:31:18.600 --> 1:31:20.560
<v Speaker 1>was going on top side as well. So it's a

1:31:20.680 --> 1:31:23.360
<v Speaker 1>it's a really interesting human drama. I haven't seen the

1:31:23.400 --> 1:31:24.880
<v Speaker 1>movie yet, but it kind of makes me want to

1:31:24.920 --> 1:31:29.000
<v Speaker 1>see it. Interesting all right, So we've talked about aviation

1:31:29.280 --> 1:31:32.080
<v Speaker 1>escape pods, we've talked about space escapes pods, we've talked

1:31:32.080 --> 1:31:36.720
<v Speaker 1>about whether related escape pods, mining escape pods. What we

1:31:36.760 --> 1:31:40.160
<v Speaker 1>have possibly left out here, Um, you know, what they

1:31:40.200 --> 1:31:43.000
<v Speaker 1>need is a human body escape pod for the brain.

1:31:43.400 --> 1:31:47.360
<v Speaker 1>That's one of the cybernetic upgrades I'm hoping for. Yeah,

1:31:47.880 --> 1:31:50.439
<v Speaker 1>or it sounds more like a spiritual upgrade as well. No,

1:31:51.439 --> 1:31:54.080
<v Speaker 1>essentially is right the brain you get to maybe the

1:31:54.120 --> 1:31:59.599
<v Speaker 1>brain upper nervous system is encased in a survival eject capsule. Okay,

1:31:59.720 --> 1:32:01.760
<v Speaker 1>something bad happens to the body, your brain kind of

1:32:01.800 --> 1:32:04.320
<v Speaker 1>shoots out and waits for rescue. Huh. Well, I guess

1:32:04.400 --> 1:32:08.720
<v Speaker 1>the A more slightly more believable version of this would

1:32:08.720 --> 1:32:11.560
<v Speaker 1>be just the idea that that we would have our consciousness,

1:32:11.640 --> 1:32:15.720
<v Speaker 1>our memories backed up somewhere digitally, so that every you know,

1:32:15.800 --> 1:32:17.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how how often would you want to

1:32:17.400 --> 1:32:19.160
<v Speaker 1>be backed up? How much time are you willing to

1:32:19.280 --> 1:32:22.599
<v Speaker 1>lose in your life? Oh? You know every week? Yeah,

1:32:22.640 --> 1:32:26.120
<v Speaker 1>that's fine. So something happens, you just eject the SD card. Yeah,

1:32:26.439 --> 1:32:30.519
<v Speaker 1>remember to save after every important life event, because you'd

1:32:30.520 --> 1:32:33.280
<v Speaker 1>hate to be like, Oh, I just the birth of

1:32:33.320 --> 1:32:35.479
<v Speaker 1>my first child, and I forgot to save and then

1:32:35.520 --> 1:32:37.720
<v Speaker 1>I got I got hit by a car, And do

1:32:37.960 --> 1:32:39.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, don't worry. It's not the biggest tragedy in

1:32:39.640 --> 1:32:41.160
<v Speaker 1>the world, because I now I have my body back,

1:32:41.400 --> 1:32:45.200
<v Speaker 1>but I have no memory of the birth because I

1:32:45.400 --> 1:32:47.720
<v Speaker 1>did not save immediately after. Or you could look at

1:32:47.720 --> 1:32:49.479
<v Speaker 1>it the other way and say, if you don't save

1:32:49.560 --> 1:32:52.600
<v Speaker 1>after every great event, you get to relive and rediscover

1:32:52.720 --> 1:32:54.920
<v Speaker 1>the greatness of this great event over and over again.

1:32:55.120 --> 1:32:56.920
<v Speaker 1>I guess if you can pull it off a second time.

1:32:58.400 --> 1:33:00.680
<v Speaker 1>And isn't that the goal of any gate pod to

1:33:01.280 --> 1:33:04.200
<v Speaker 1>give you the chance to have a second go at

1:33:04.200 --> 1:33:08.040
<v Speaker 1>all of life's experiences. Well, we know we've not covered

1:33:08.120 --> 1:33:12.200
<v Speaker 1>all of the great escape capsules, pods, survival vehicles that

1:33:12.280 --> 1:33:14.320
<v Speaker 1>have ever been created. So if you've been thinking of

1:33:14.400 --> 1:33:17.320
<v Speaker 1>one out there and you're like, oh, why aren't you

1:33:17.360 --> 1:33:19.800
<v Speaker 1>talking about this? You should let us know. Yeah, let

1:33:19.880 --> 1:33:21.840
<v Speaker 1>us know about the fictional ones. Let us know about

1:33:21.920 --> 1:33:25.040
<v Speaker 1>the real life escape capsules. Let us know about some

1:33:25.200 --> 1:33:28.040
<v Speaker 1>of the proposed ones that just haven't come to fruition yet.

1:33:28.520 --> 1:33:30.000
<v Speaker 1>We would love to hear about them. And hey, let

1:33:30.080 --> 1:33:31.320
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1:33:31.360 --> 1:33:34.519
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1:33:35.720 --> 1:33:38.040
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1:33:38.080 --> 1:33:40.560
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1:33:40.640 --> 1:33:43.600
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