1 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: Welcome back to all the smoke. 2 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: We're here at the Beautiful Win Hotel, at the Excess Nightclub. Man, 3 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: we got a really good guest. I've been chasing this 4 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 2: guy down for a long time, but it's rare in 5 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 2: this business, in this game to meet real, genuine good people. 6 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: And this dude that we have here today is at 7 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 2: the head of the class when it comes to that. 8 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, Rich Climbens. 9 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 3: My man. 10 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: I appreciate you, Bro, appreciate you. Thank you for coming. 11 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: Co founder of Boardroom, thirty five ventures, serial entrepreneur, just 12 00:00:55,080 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 2: a really head smart business monster. We gotta do something together, Bro, sure, 13 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: something something. How's life right now? Obviously out here for 14 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: some of league, you guys are doing boardroom stuff. You 15 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: guys have a party tonight. Yeah, what's going on? 16 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 3: Life is good, man. 17 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 4: I'm enjoying what I do, which I think is like 18 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 4: the biggest blessing for all of us. I got an 19 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 4: event out here tonight celebrating. 20 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 3: The WNBA Boardroom. 21 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 4: Coinbase hosting it with Jewel Lloyd, Sabrina and Escu and 22 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 4: Sue Byrd And you know, for me, it's just about 23 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 4: extending the brand. Kevin and I started together and helping 24 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 4: formulate what his business was going to be and starting 25 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 4: to set the foundation for the rest of his life. 26 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 4: And that meant building him a family office, and that's 27 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 4: what thirty five Ventures was. 28 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 3: But as we were building. 29 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 4: It, there was this void for a storytelling vehicle to 30 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 4: tell the world what we were doing, but also something 31 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 4: that embodied the two of us in our partnership and 32 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 4: the uniqueness of it. 33 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 3: And that's kind of what Boardroom was from the beginning. 34 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely, we're going to get to Boardroom in a little bit. 35 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: Thoughts on the New Look Suns. You were able to 36 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: acquire Bradley Beal, him Katie book building a supporting cast still, 37 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: but you know, what are the. 38 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: What's the vib over there? What's look alike? 39 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 5: Yeah? 40 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 3: I mean, well I didn't acquire Bradley Beal, but. 41 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: KD did, so you're a part of KD. 42 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 3: But I'm happy for him, man. 43 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's been our journey the last 44 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 4: ten years is you know, I haven't repped other players, 45 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 4: so our business, in our life and everything was very 46 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 4: much a mess with one another. 47 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 3: And the one thing that I. 48 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 4: Always clearly defer to was his vision with basketball and 49 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 4: the same thing happened in the Hamptons when we were 50 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 4: sitting there choosing the team to leave Thunder to go 51 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 4: play for the Warriors, and as he looked at New 52 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 4: York and looked at other options. It's always been about, 53 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 4: like me, understanding his point of view and supporting it 54 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 4: and then going and helping him execute it. And he's happy. 55 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 4: And if he's happy, you know, it's infectious. When he's happy, 56 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 4: everyone in our organization's happy. And I just, you know, 57 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 4: you guys, I'm sure feel the same way. I just 58 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 4: want Kevin to win. I want him to be successful, 59 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 4: and I think he's in a really good place right now. 60 00:02:58,680 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: Love it. 61 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 5: When did the wheels start to turn when you started 62 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 5: thirty five inchant? And what was the goals for Katie 63 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 5: early on? Two questions. 64 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 4: I guess, well, the wheels for me probably started turning 65 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 4: from the time I was like a kid in New York. 66 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 4: I've been obsessed with sports culture, hip hop culture. I 67 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 4: grew up in New York in the eighties and nineties, 68 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 4: so I watched it explode and I was a fan. 69 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 4: I observed it, and you know, I took many steps 70 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 4: to get there, but by the time I was able 71 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 4: to meet Kevin, and I was at a point in 72 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 4: my career at Rock Nation where I had such great 73 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 4: information from watching Jay, from watching the way they built 74 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 4: their business, and even from before I got to Jay 75 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 4: being an entrepreneur at nineteen twenty twenty two. 76 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 3: Just hustling all of those experiences put me in. 77 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 4: A position where, in my opinion, I became the perfect 78 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 4: partner for Kevin. And what that meant was he was 79 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 4: at a place in his career where he was like, 80 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 4: I want to do less and. 81 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 3: I want to accomplish more. 82 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 4: I have commercials on where I'm twelve feet tall, and 83 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 4: that's not who I am, you know what I'm saying. 84 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 4: And I think a lot of young athletes find themselves 85 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 4: sometimes in the beginning of their career doing things that 86 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 4: just part of the system. 87 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 3: But Kevin all of a sudden looked at me and 88 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 3: was like, what more can we do? 89 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 4: And I came from hip hop, where like you're always 90 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 4: making something out of nothing. You know, if you're an 91 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 4: artist building your brand, you're doing it from day one 92 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 4: with no fans. You have to put out a mixtape, 93 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 4: you have to get your neighborhood behind you. So I 94 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 4: understood how to like turn down money to make money 95 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 4: later on, or to build community and fan base and 96 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 4: build brand and it'll ultimately come with money down the road. 97 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 4: And Kevin was down with that because he wanted to build. 98 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 4: And he marveled at the jay Z's of the world 99 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 4: and the Doctor Dres as well, that imprint that you know, 100 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 4: hip hop informed. 101 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 3: Then obviously Lebron. 102 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 4: Had started to put like the most like meticulous set 103 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 4: up in front of him and all that was really 104 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 4: inspiring for us. 105 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: How did you and Kevin meet? 106 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 2: Because obviously being professional athletes, there are always a bunch 107 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: of people in the business world, but it's hard to 108 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: kind of find the right fit. And once you guys 109 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 2: locked in, you guys have been hand in hand ever since. 110 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,239 Speaker 1: So how did that relationship start? 111 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 3: I met him? 112 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 4: Crazy story was I met I was managing LA I 113 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 4: used to be a music manager, wile Meek Mills, Solange, 114 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 4: no Id. 115 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 3: I had a handful of artist at the. 116 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 4: Time and wile A's from DC, Maryland, Virginia area, same 117 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 4: as KD and jay Z had a show at the Garden. 118 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 4: He was like, Katie's in town and wants to go 119 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 4: to the j show. You should meet up with him. 120 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 4: I'm a hoop fan, so even though Katie's ten years 121 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 4: younger than me, like this is the Rookie of the Year. 122 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 4: He was in town to get the Rookie of the 123 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 4: Year trophy. So I met him, took him to the show. 124 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 4: And I've said this before, but one of the things 125 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 4: I marveled at, and I'm sure you guys can relate 126 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 4: this knowing KD the way you do is I think 127 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 4: Jay or his manager, had said, Yo, bring Ka back 128 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 4: to the dressing room after the show, and he was like, 129 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 4: I'm yo, I'm not even ready to meet Jay yet, 130 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 4: Like I have more to do, and like what eighteen 131 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 4: year old will even have that thought process, right, He 132 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 4: was just like it's not time. 133 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 3: And we stayed in touch, like. 134 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 4: We talked ball and again, like looking back on it, 135 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 4: obviously that's what Kevin loves to do, so me having 136 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 4: that outlet to just build a relationship with him talking basketball. 137 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 4: By the time it came to us at Rock Nation 138 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 4: looking to get in the sports world and Kevin at 139 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 4: a point in his career where he was looking at 140 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 4: something different, it was timing and I think every great 141 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 4: partnership and I've really explored this, like I've talked to 142 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 4: Jimmy and Dre about this and really tried to dissect, 143 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 4: like what makes a partnership works, Like why are the 144 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 4: two of you so perfect together? 145 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 5: Right? 146 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 4: It's like something that you have that you don't have 147 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 4: as well. Jack makes up for you know what I'm saying, 148 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 4: And there's something that balances KD and I out that 149 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 4: allows us to succeed on this level. And then rooted 150 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 4: is just just like inherent trust that we have one another. 151 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: That's the most important. 152 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: Describe the journey for you guys, Like you said, you've 153 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 2: been there since the beginning. There's been a lot of ups, 154 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: there's been downs, there's been media situations, there's been championships. 155 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: How do you, guys, or how do you kind of 156 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: keep it even keeled? And how much does he lean 157 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: on you when things are going whether good or bad. 158 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think we lean on each other. 159 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 4: But at the same time, we also have such great perspective. 160 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 4: No matter how crazy certain things have appeared or the 161 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 4: narrative has appeared throughout the last decade, the joke was 162 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 4: always we were at home kind of laughing at it, 163 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 4: even when it was like, shit, I wish this didn't 164 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 4: happen right, or I didn't know what was going to 165 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 4: happen like this. It was still with a little bit 166 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 4: of an understanding of how blessed he was to be 167 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 4: in the situation. 168 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 3: And Kevin really does have that mindset. 169 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 4: And there were times where like it was insane, especially 170 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 4: as social media was growing and it was new, it 171 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 4: was almost new to. 172 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 3: See some of these reactions. 173 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 4: And I think we've talked about this, like even after 174 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 4: he left Oklahoma to the Bay, I mean, I think 175 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 4: we all knew that there would be. 176 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 3: Pushback. 177 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 4: We all knew that the fans would be emotional. But 178 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 4: I think that was like an inflection point in sports 179 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 4: media as well where it went like really dark, it 180 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 4: went really visceral, where like after that happened, people were 181 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 4: like coming for his head and he could have reacted 182 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 4: like with his fist up, or he could have reacted 183 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 4: like I just gonna go hoop, right, and he just 184 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 4: was like, let me just go hoop. And I know, 185 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,559 Speaker 4: if I continue to put the work in, these things 186 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 4: will be distracted, won't be a distraction, and we'll keep 187 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 4: it moving. And that's kind of how we've approached all 188 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 4: of it. 189 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: That's the great escape for him that two and a 190 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 2: half hours to get out and be one of the 191 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: greatest to ever do it is always a great escape. 192 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: The Hampton Five we had a chance to talk to Draymond, 193 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 2: Steph and Clay how that went down. 194 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: What is your version of it? 195 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 4: Well, first of all, looking back on it, it was 196 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 4: like such a spectacle, like it was so over the 197 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 4: top to have like a house in East Hampton and 198 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 4: having like pat Riley and Greg Popovich and Steph and 199 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 4: Tom Brady flying in. 200 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 3: But then the flip side is it's like makes for. 201 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 4: An incredible moment and an incredible story in our careers. 202 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 4: The backstory though, is I was going through some shit 203 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 4: in my own family life and to show you how 204 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,439 Speaker 4: selfless Kevin is, this was his moment and I was like, bro, 205 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 4: I have to be in New York, Like, I have 206 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 4: to be close to New York. Some shit's going on 207 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 4: with my family. And he was like, well, then we're 208 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 4: doing it near your family, And that was it. I 209 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 4: knew I went out to find the best scenario for 210 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 4: getting him some kind of peace of mind, but also 211 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 4: so he understood that if I wasn't close enough and 212 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 4: had that balance to take care of what I needed 213 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 4: to that I wouldn't have been locked in. And it 214 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 4: really was like ten hours a day at the house 215 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 4: in the Hampton's going through these just like insane meetings 216 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 4: for like a young hoop fan growing up to be 217 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 4: sitting across from pat Riley was wild. But then going 218 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 4: home and dealing with something And that's who Katie is, 219 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. That's the side of him 220 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 4: he won't talk about, or the side of him that 221 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 4: he doesn't have to talk about. But you know that 222 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 4: moment right then, when he had every right to make 223 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 4: it all about himself, he was just like, yo, bro, 224 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 4: where you need to do this? 225 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 3: Yeah? 226 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: Right, give us some shit. 227 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: Was there anyone else he really considered when he was 228 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 2: leaving Okce? Was it Golden State the whole time? You 229 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 2: mean you mentioned pat Ryley, that's obviously the heat. Any 230 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 2: teams that he really gave a Hey, this can possibly 231 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: work as well. 232 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 4: Well, I'll give you a funny story that I actually 233 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 4: just talked about with Tom Brady at Ruben's party, just 234 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 4: like a super flex, right, But I remember when the 235 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 4: Celtics came, like so the Warriors came with Steph Draymond Andre, Bob, 236 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 4: Joe Laka. I mean, they brought everybody, and then the 237 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 4: Celtics came and had a younger team at the time, 238 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 4: so it was the Celtics ownership and Danny Ainge and 239 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 4: then like Jay Crowder and I think Kelly Olennok was there, 240 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 4: so I mean, you know what I'm saying, Like already 241 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 4: it was like, Okay, the Celtics is a different cell, right, 242 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 4: but here came Tom Brady, so it was like, all shit, 243 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 4: they're really trying to level the playing field. 244 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 3: So they went to take a walk together. 245 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 4: I think Brady and yeah, and then later on Katie 246 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 4: was like, yeah, yo. So he told me I should 247 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 4: bottom line, look for the best team, best organization, best 248 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 4: chance to win, no matter what. And I was like, 249 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 4: paused for a second. He's like, I think Brady told 250 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 4: me to go to the Warriors. So like that whole 251 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 4: trip was about understanding what was out there. It was 252 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 4: an incredible experience to listen to these guys speak and 253 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 4: honestly like they were there for Kevin, but for me, 254 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 4: I was like, damn, this guy's given me the seat. 255 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. This was like a wind 256 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 3: at my sale. 257 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 4: I was like, Wow, Like I'm gonna talk to pat 258 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 4: Riley the way I envisioned talking to pat Riley when 259 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 4: I was a kid. This is incredible, And I felt 260 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 4: like we all stepped up, and I think Kevin ultimately 261 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 4: like truly listened to everybody. He was open minded. It 262 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 4: was so painful for him to leave Oklahoma City, so painful. 263 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 4: We documented the whole thing, not that I'd let it out, 264 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 4: but like there's moments where you could see this was 265 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 4: not some easy thing for KD, Like, Yo, where's the 266 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 4: seventy three win team? Like this shit was about him 267 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 4: really going inside his mind and he relies on the game, 268 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 4: and he made the decision based on basketball and it 269 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 4: all happened there and there was never really anyone else 270 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 4: because once he went through all of that, it was clear. 271 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 5: Clear talk about your upbringing growing up in a big Apple. 272 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 4: Grew up in New York back in the eighties and nineties. 273 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 4: There was like a middle class in New York. So 274 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 4: I really had an understanding of like all walks of life, 275 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 4: and I really prided myself on that. And the one 276 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 4: thing that I took advantage of was a network. Always 277 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 4: didn't do well in school, wasn't focused ever. Family life 278 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 4: complete chaos, and the way I was able to fill 279 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 4: that void was having as many people around me as possible. 280 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 4: And it didn't matter. It wasn't about the most popular 281 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 4: dude in the park or the prettiest group of girls. 282 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 4: It was just I want to have as many people 283 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 4: in support around me, because I knew that if I 284 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 4: didn't have a real currency in education, I didn't have 285 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 4: anyone that was going to direct me somewhere, that at 286 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 4: the very least this group of people around me we 287 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 4: would all support each other. And I always felt that way, 288 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 4: and as I got older in New York, at different 289 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 4: points in my life, I. 290 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 3: Was always able to pull from that. 291 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 4: So even if it was like going up to Riverside Church, 292 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 4: where I had no business playing as a kid, but 293 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 4: I was like, but kareem reads up there, the young 294 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 4: hoopers are up there. 295 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 3: I have to be up there. I have to just 296 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 3: be around and watch. 297 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 4: And even if no one even knew I was in 298 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 4: the gym, I was just watching and observing it all, 299 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 4: and I got to know so many people that you know, 300 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 4: by the time I started my journey. It was unconventional, 301 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 4: but I had like an army of people that I 302 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 4: felt would be there in my corner. And it wasn't 303 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 4: like famous people. It was just people that would ride 304 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 4: for me, just a s of support. 305 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 5: Yeah. Back to I tell people all the time, the 306 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 5: Church is the best AAU team of all time. You 307 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 5: have run Test, you have Eric Barkley, you have Lamar Oldham, 308 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 5: you have Reggie Jesse, you have Elton Brand, you have 309 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 5: Speedy Clax and Kevin Marris. This is the Church. This 310 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 5: is all on one team in want Something. 311 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 3: And Kevin Marris he was not No, this is. 312 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 5: All on one team in one summer though. Bro, they 313 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 5: were scared. 314 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: FORTI yes, you're in our age. 315 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 5: Yeah. 316 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why I did point gods though, because those 317 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,359 Speaker 4: were my idols, Like I idolized all those guys growing. 318 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, oh my guys, so we all know you was 319 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 5: boring hustler, I mean selling all kind of stuff from 320 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 5: wrestling figures? Was that just natural? 321 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 4: I heard, like I heard people fight about money all 322 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 4: the time, like people fought about money. So it made 323 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 4: me realize that like shit, if you don't have it, 324 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 4: or if someone doesn't have it, or if like they're 325 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 4: always fighting about money, if this is all my parents 326 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 4: is talking about. Then it just like clicked in me 327 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 4: that I had to figure that. 328 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 3: Out in some way. 329 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 4: And then on top of it, there was like three 330 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 4: people I idolized, basketball players, anyone from the world of 331 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 4: hip hop, and anyone that had a business anyone. So 332 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 4: the guy with the hot dogs saying, the bodega guy, 333 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 4: I just thought it was incredible that they got up 334 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 4: every day take out that not like the hot dogs 335 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 4: saying not used to get out. My mind was blown. 336 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 4: I'd be like, he worked here all day and it 337 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 4: was just singles. But that feeling of like fulfillment. I 338 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 4: saw that and I didn't get it in school. I 339 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 4: didn't really feel it anywhere else. So I saw these 340 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 4: people and I'm like, damn, these people get up every day. 341 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 3: And the energy in New York, right, you grow up 342 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 3: in New York City. 343 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 4: If you go by like the business district or where 344 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 4: people are going to work, you you see like hundreds 345 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 4: of people piling off. 346 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 3: The train, and that just felt like the action to me. 347 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 4: So as soon as I thought of a way to 348 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 4: make money, if I was like, oh, someone just got 349 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 4: me these new wrestling figures, those joints that everyone had 350 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 4: with the dumb I'm like, everyone in my school wants them. 351 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 4: So my thought instantly was like how much can I 352 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 4: sell these? For it everyone in my school. And that's 353 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 4: just the way my brain worked, for better or worse. 354 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 4: And you know, it's why I got into gambling and 355 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 4: like booking at such a young age, because without an 356 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 4: education and without any direction, it was I wasn't built 357 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 4: to hustle. 358 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 3: I wasn't going to sell drugs. It wasn't my environment. 359 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 4: But what I saw when I started to get out 360 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 4: there was like, I can be entrepreneurial. I just gravitated 361 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 4: towards like the wronger, wrong things earlier, but I quickly shifted. 362 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 5: That so programs outside the Garden New York's big time 363 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 5: New York sports fan. Who is some of the guys 364 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 5: that you love watching growing up. 365 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 4: Anyone who knows me knows that I was upset when 366 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 4: Mark Jackson as a kid man, that was my favorite player, 367 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 4: and he's become one of my favorite people because nineteen 368 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 4: eighty seven he was drafted as a rookie, won Rookie 369 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 4: of the Year, it took the city over, nineteen eighty eight, 370 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 4: made the All Star Game. They drafted strict, so it 371 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 4: started getting like a bit controversial, and then all of 372 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 4: a sudden he had a few tough years in New 373 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 4: York and it was right during like a really tough 374 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 4: time in my life, and I don't know, everyone finds 375 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 4: something to connect to, and somehow that became my reprieve. 376 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 4: I would just like, let me go watch Mark. I 377 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 4: would sneak out of my house and watch him playing 378 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 4: Clipper games and sports bars at thirteen and take that 379 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 4: money from selling toys and say to the guy, let 380 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 4: me go watch the Clipper game and they would get 381 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 4: it on pay per view there was or whatever satellite 382 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 4: back then. And then obviously Starks in Oakley and Ewing 383 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 4: that whole team. That whole period of my life. It 384 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 4: was always about that mob. Even now and Nick fans 385 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 4: from that era are like, we're so emotionally confused because 386 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 4: we swear that that was like one of the greatest 387 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 4: runs in basketball history. But then you step out of 388 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 4: New York and people are like, yo, y'all talk about 389 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 4: the nineties Knicks like you want three chips, Like we 390 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 4: get it, We've all been to the conference finals. But 391 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 4: you guys know, you were around then, like it was 392 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 4: just that whole feeling around those pacer Nick series, the 393 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 4: Heat Knick series, Bulls Knick series, all of it was incredible. 394 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 5: In your early twenties, you was in college dropout. I 395 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 5: tell people all the time, collegefit don't necessarily make you 396 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 5: be successful. They gotta help you, but it don't hurt 397 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 5: you too if you don't go. But you had the 398 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 5: illegal sports gambler ring. I would have loved to have 399 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 5: been a part of that. For man, Yeah, I want 400 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 5: to hear about that. When I saw that in the rundown, 401 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 5: I'm like, what hind of clients? Can you talk about that? 402 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 3: Yes? I love talking about Well. 403 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 4: I probably shouldn't have went to college, by the way, 404 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 4: I wasn't even ready to go, so like, I just 405 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 4: ran off to the only school that let me in 406 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 4: straight up. 407 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 3: And when I got there, I tried for a quick minute. 408 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 4: I was like, maybe this is like my life, Like 409 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 4: I'm going to figure this out. And then I went 410 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 4: to watch Yankee Yankees Mariners nineteen ninety five. And I'm 411 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 4: sitting in this bar in Boston with a bunch of 412 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 4: guys and everybody's taking the Yankees, but they're all looking 413 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 4: for a bookie to put the bet in with, cause 414 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 4: like you know if you all from New York, you 415 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 4: always bet on your team. The Mariners had like a 416 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 4: Rod and Junior and Tino Martinez. 417 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 3: So everyone's like, Yo, we need a bookie. We need 418 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 3: a bookie. 419 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 4: Someone's got to put a bed in, Like we got 420 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 4: to get this, We got to get these bets in. 421 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 4: So I was like, well, hold up, I think I 422 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 4: have a bookie. I called my brother and I was like, Yo, 423 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 4: that bookie you have in Atlanta. You got to put 424 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 4: all these bets I'm taking in from this guy. He 425 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 4: was like, man, that bookie, come me off right. So 426 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 4: I'm like, we don't have a bookie. The game was 427 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 4: starting in a few minutes. My brother hit me with 428 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 4: the like you could always take the bet. I'm like, 429 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 4: what was that mean. I didn't even really know, like 430 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 4: the verbage. It was like Mariners are like minus one 431 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 4: ten or whatever. It is like you'll win this if 432 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 4: the Mariners win. And I'm like all right. So I 433 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 4: went in there. I said, guys, I put all your 434 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 4: bets in. I write it. I wrote it down on 435 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 4: like a notebook from the from the bar. Mariners won. 436 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 4: They all paid me on Friday. Was this was like 437 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 4: a Thursday and Sunday morning phones ringing. 438 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 5: I was open. 439 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 4: They thought I was a bookie, and from that point forward, 440 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 4: I was just like shit. I went and got one 441 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 4: of those like composition notebooks because there was no technology. 442 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 4: I had my pencil out number two pencil at like 443 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 4: eight in the morning. I had this girl I was 444 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 4: dating that would help me when the phones ring security 445 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 4: at Boston would help me sometimes pick up money. And 446 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 4: then like a few other friends at other schools started 447 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,719 Speaker 4: sending clients in and at one point I had, you know, 448 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 4: like one hundred different people betting all day and people 449 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 4: will come to me and be like, man, I got 450 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 4: the more money, here's my television. 451 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,239 Speaker 3: It was. It was insane. R I was just like 452 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 3: that guy at college that. 453 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 4: Time eighteen nineteen twenty. And then I went back to 454 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 4: New York. When I was I had to leave boss. 455 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 4: I went to I tried to flip it and go 456 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 4: to BC Night School for a semester and was like 457 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 4: found myself trying to get the marketing professor to bet 458 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 4: with me. I'm like even I knew, like the one 459 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 4: thing I always had was a level of self awareness, 460 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 4: even when I was fucked up. I was like, I'm 461 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 4: fucked up, Like I'm not supposed to be a bookie. 462 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 4: So when I went back to New York, I was like, 463 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 4: let me try this for a minute. And it's harder 464 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 4: in New York. That's I got my bookie operation got 465 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 4: shut down in three weeks, you know what I'm saying. 466 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 4: Three weeks someone caught wind of the kind of action 467 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 4: I was taking. My brother went to collect. It was 468 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 4: a little bit of a gotcha moment, Yeah, and I 469 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 4: just ended it that day. I didn't think twice. 470 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: At the peak how much at one time? What was 471 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 2: the most money you'd got during that run? 472 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 4: When I was nineteen, I left Boston about two eighty 473 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 4: in cash. 474 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 5: That's tough, Yeah. 475 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: For real? Quarter million? 476 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's safe like this, like thinking I had a 477 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 4: safe when really. 478 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 3: Like the safe could just be picked up anyone. I'm 479 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 3: an idiot. 480 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 4: I had that shit in my closet. Everyone in school knew. 481 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 4: But it was reckless. 482 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,719 Speaker 2: Anyone along the way mentor you or put their arm 483 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 2: around you. Or was it just trial and era hard nuts. 484 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 4: No, A lot of people have I always say that, 485 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 4: like I never had a business mentor so to speak, 486 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 4: like somebody that. 487 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 3: Was like, hey, young man, I see something in you. 488 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:29,479 Speaker 4: But what I did always get was special, special talent 489 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 4: that gave me a shot. So Mark Ronson in nineteen 490 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 4: ninety nine in New York City would be jumping from 491 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 4: DJing Biggie Small's birthday party to a Tommy Hill figure 492 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 4: fashion show and him and Q Tip and this whole 493 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 4: like celebrity DJ scene grew up. I blew up in 494 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 4: New York at the time, and you know, I started 495 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,719 Speaker 4: managing these guys. And when I was managing Mark, all 496 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 4: of a sudden, I was like, oh, you know, I 497 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 4: got a little bit of confidence. Like that infused a 498 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 4: little bit of confidence in me. Then when all of 499 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 4: a sudden, I was signed to other artists and we 500 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 4: had Amy Winehouse working in our studio, and I was 501 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 4: around just like such a greatness, like this woman was 502 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 4: recording one of the most incredible albums of all time. 503 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 5: And I found. 504 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 4: Myself fitting in the more and more I was around talent. 505 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 4: I understood how to fit in. And I think a 506 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 4: little bit of the chaos that I grew up around 507 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 4: allowed me to have this feeling of I could solve anything. 508 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 3: I could fix anything. Anyone needed me, I'll do I'll 509 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 3: do it right. Away for you. And that's how I 510 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 3: was conditioned. 511 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 4: I just felt like, as a kid, if something was 512 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 4: broken in my house, literally or figuratively, no matter what 513 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 4: age I was at, I'll step up and do it. 514 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 4: So that carried that over and it worked with talent. 515 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 4: And then when I was able to meet Jay and 516 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 4: you know, and got the vote of confidence from him 517 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 4: to work on Fade to Black and be a part 518 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 4: of that, that was like a new level of mentorship. 519 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 4: But it wasn't like Jay was like heyo, Rich, I 520 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 4: want you to produce my film, bro, and I see 521 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 4: something in you. It was just getting a little bit 522 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 4: of a crap and then that was all they really 523 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 4: needed to do, was give me that little bit of confidence. 524 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 525 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 2: I mean had a similar upbringing as far as chaos 526 00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 2: and I you know, I got to a point where 527 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 2: I was comfortable within the chaos. You know, you can 528 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 2: still function, you can still move because chaos fucked some 529 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: people up. But being able to be comfortable and still 530 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 2: at peace within the chaos or something special you just mentioned. Jay, 531 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 2: How did the Rock Nation partnership come about? 532 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 3: Well after we did Fade to Black, I had like, 533 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 3: you know. 534 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 2: Hold on, let me run, not to cut you off 535 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 2: talk to us about how the Fade to Black came 536 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 2: and what you actually did on that project. 537 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 538 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 4: I met Jay's manager at the time, and I was 539 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 4: consulting with this company, Radical Media, because I was doing 540 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 4: music supervision for TV shows on ESPN and VH one, 541 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 4: and there was just show The Life on ESPN. 542 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,479 Speaker 3: You guys remember that you were you on it? No, 543 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 3: we did it on edobannit. 544 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I put this theme song together between Fraul 545 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 4: Maunch and Styles Pete called The Life that j Cole 546 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 4: actually ended up like redoing a bit on his last album. 547 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 3: Sorry Cole, but you did. 548 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 4: And after that, like I I started building this library 549 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 4: of unsigned artists and unsigned producers to put on all 550 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 4: these different TV shows, and I was kind of like 551 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 4: in this little purgatory. 552 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 3: Now I was managing some people. 553 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 4: I was doing some music supervision, and that was that 554 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,479 Speaker 4: moment where sometimes I feel like in my career I 555 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 4: pedal as. 556 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 3: Fast as I can. 557 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 4: Then I got a chill and like let it glide 558 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 4: and be able to just see, like see what I'm 559 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 4: doing because I'm really aware of who I am and 560 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 4: who I'm not. I never try to pretend i'm the biggest, baddest, 561 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 4: most successful. I just know I'm uniquely meet and I 562 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 4: try to like follow that, so sometimes I just pause 563 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 4: on it. And at that point it was like, oh shit, 564 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 4: Jay Z's manager wants to come in and meet, and 565 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 4: I was like, but if he comes in and meets 566 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 4: with me, I don't know what to say yet. 567 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 3: And I knew that. I was like, I'm not going 568 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 3: to be able to sell him. 569 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 4: But this guy Radical Media will this guy that I 570 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 4: have here that's running this company. And that was part 571 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 4: of the lessons that I always realized while I was growing. 572 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 4: It is like just being in the room at certain 573 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 4: times is the win. You don't always have to run 574 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 4: the room. 575 00:24:58,280 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 5: Man. 576 00:24:58,440 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 3: You got to know where your time is. 577 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 4: And for me, I was like, now I have a 578 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 4: part of bringing this film together. And I raised my hand. 579 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 4: I said I want to be a producer on it. 580 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 4: And at that point that meant like music clearances. If 581 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 4: someone was wearing a Von Dutch hat in the film, 582 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 4: because Jay was wearing I had to call Von Dutch 583 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 4: and clear it. We had to get clearances from everyone 584 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 4: that was backstage because when they shot it, they didn't 585 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 4: know they were going to do the film, and then 586 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 4: like working with the editor, his first time ever editing 587 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 4: a film, and he puts together like Fade to Black, 588 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 4: and then watching Jay come in no joke and do 589 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 4: the vo for the film and like one take insane, 590 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 4: just like see the film and just start spitting and 591 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 4: the vo is the story. 592 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 3: It's like epic. And just playing that part in it. 593 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 4: Being able to be a producer on it once again, 594 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 4: no one was like heyo, Rich, you are producing my film. 595 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 4: I just saw the crack and I found my way 596 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 4: in and I though did the work, you know what 597 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 4: I'm saying. And then from there I always saw it 598 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 4: as like these like building blocks. And then when I 599 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 4: had the opportunity to go over to Rock Nation, it 600 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 4: was the right time, Like I had the foresight to 601 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 4: know that even as an entrepreneur, I was going to 602 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 4: need some institutional knowledge, like really be around people that 603 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 4: were doing it. And that was my journey and I 604 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 4: learned like endless, limitless what I learned from being there 605 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 4: for nine years. 606 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 2: So you started on the Rock Nation side, but then 607 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 2: you help Rock Nation sports as well. 608 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: Can you talk about it a little bit. 609 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I started on the music side and I was 610 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 4: managing you know, like I said before Meek while at 611 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 4: mark Ronson, I was a and R. 612 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 3: I hate whenever I say this. 613 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 4: I know that I had nothing to do with making 614 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 4: this album, but I was listed as an an R 615 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 4: and j Cole's first album. 616 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 3: I'm just can't continue to talk about Jake Cole here. 617 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 4: But I was doing dope shit like I was around 618 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 4: all of this, but it wasn't given me that feeling 619 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 4: that I had when I was like have my studio 620 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 4: downtown on Mercer and or I was a bookie, or 621 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 4: I was managing DJs. 622 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 3: I just didn't have that feeling anymore. 623 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 4: And these guys knew that I was a sports fanatic 624 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 4: and loved sports. They always gave me an opportunity. They 625 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 4: always gave me more space. So as soon as I said, like, yo, 626 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 4: I want to be in sports, he was like, all right, Yo, 627 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 4: we start in a sports agency. And you know, I 628 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 4: guess sometimes that's the version of like mentorship. It was 629 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 4: just a chance, Like I didn't need any guidance, I 630 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 4: just need a chance. So as soon as that happened, 631 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 4: I had to reluctantly just stop everything in music. I 632 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 4: knew right then that these were two different worlds. And 633 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,479 Speaker 4: even though ten years later they're more a mess than 634 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 4: ever and Boardroom is really, in my opinion, like. 635 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 3: A reflection of that. 636 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 4: But I knew in order to go into the sports world, 637 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 4: I couldn't now try to be who I wanted to 638 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 4: be without locking all the way in and being on 639 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 4: the ground and doing the work. Like literally, you saw 640 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 4: me with Kevin everywhere he was for the first six 641 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 4: seven years, charity event, a deal, we're closing. 642 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 3: Anything he had to do, I had to do. That's 643 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 3: how I looked at it. 644 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,479 Speaker 4: So when I went into sports, it was like just 645 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 4: studying it as a kid, hearing the language and honestly 646 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 4: being obsessed with the deals around on sports even as 647 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 4: a young person I could speak that language. And then 648 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 4: coupled with the back I had at Rock and their 649 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 4: institutional knowledge, and then just seeing that the sports world 650 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 4: was actually craving more and more of what was coming 651 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 4: from music, not the old guard of how sports was 652 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 4: being built around athletes. 653 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 3: It was the right time and it worked. 654 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 5: So back to thirty five ventures you invested in Postmates, 655 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 5: see Greek their about it. Just name a few if 656 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 5: entrepreneurs right here and ask you for some advice. What 657 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 5: would you tell. 658 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 4: Them on investing, I guess, first of all, like figure 659 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 4: out why you're doing it, and I continue to. 660 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 3: Remind myself that too. 661 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 4: My strategy early on was to learn to meet incredible 662 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 4: founders and to take some chances on some really innovative companies, 663 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 4: and we were making smaller bets and that was my 664 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 4: kind of education into the world, and my instincts and 665 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 4: Kevin's instincts I think, you know, benefited us, but it 666 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 4: was really to get into the world, and that's why 667 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 4: we spread out our investments and we made some reads 668 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 4: early and we were fortunate. As we started to get 669 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 4: further further into it, it started to be about like what 670 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 4: do we want to own? You know, because that gets 671 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 4: lost sometimes. There was a time six seven years ago 672 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 4: where everyone was just like, I want equity, bro, I'm 673 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 4: only about equity, and it was like, well, what are 674 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 4: you talking about, Like you have to want equity and 675 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 4: something you want to own, truly want to own. And 676 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 4: I started reframing that, and that's why we started investing 677 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 4: more and more into sports and into emerging sports leagues 678 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 4: and into pickleball and women's soccer and women's volleyball, because 679 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 4: it was like that's what we want to own. 680 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 5: Now. 681 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 4: Obviously, if an investment comes that's incredible, too good of 682 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 4: an opportunity and everything checks out, still look at it 683 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 4: like a sound investment. 684 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 3: But I think I would tell an entrepreneur. 685 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 4: First to figure out what their reasoning for investing was, like, 686 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 4: are you just doing it to make money, You're doing 687 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 4: it to be safe with your money, You're doing it 688 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 4: to try to make a big hit, or you're doing 689 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 4: it because you want to build assets, And this is 690 00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 4: like what's your core build. 691 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 3: Your business is going to be. 692 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 4: I think it's important now, especially in this market, more 693 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 4: than ever, to know that five years ago you probably 694 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 4: could have cheated it. It's like you had money, you 695 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 4: got deal flow, you'll invest, you probably make some money back. 696 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,719 Speaker 4: But now everything's been equalized, you know, and you have 697 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 4: to really look at real companies, real revenue, real brands, 698 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 4: and it's no longer about these like insane valuations or 699 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 4: companies that are never profitable, but tell you that they're 700 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 4: going to be twenty billion dollars and you've got to 701 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 4: reframe your mind. And I think for people like us, 702 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,719 Speaker 4: it's going to benefit us because it's back to like, 703 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 4: have you done the work. Is the business working, is 704 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 4: it true? Is it making money? And that's how you 705 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 4: got to look at companies. 706 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 2: Now, you said something interesting when you first started talking. 707 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 2: You said placing bets because at the end of the day, 708 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 2: that's what it really is, right, I mean, you have 709 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 2: to be comfortable losing the money that you're putting forward, Yeah, 710 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 2: to be safe with that. But explain why you said 711 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 2: bets because that's what it is. 712 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 4: Because at our level, right, like I'm not andresen Horwitz, 713 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 4: like you know. That's the other thing is like the 714 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 4: scale of investing. It'd be like me saying I hoop 715 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 4: to the two of you. You know what I'm saying. 716 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 4: So it's like I do invest, but I'm not making 717 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 4: fifty hundred million dollar investments. 718 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 3: And I'm betting on founders. 719 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 4: I'm betting on companies that sometimes I say, you know what, 720 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 4: I think this company is going to make it, but 721 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 4: I also see this company being really valuable and complimentary 722 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 4: to what I do. And I also see that founder 723 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 4: as a founder is going to be successful in what 724 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 4: they do no matter what, and it's going to be 725 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 4: incredible to have them in my network. Again, you know, 726 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 4: like I said in the beginning because having that network, 727 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 4: man is it's priceless. And I realized it during the 728 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 4: pandemic because one of the reasons why my my business 729 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 4: grew during the pandemic is because I can actually get 730 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 4: people on the phone, because there's a difference between showing 731 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 4: up to every party and being able to take pictures 732 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 4: of everyone and be able to tap everyone up. But 733 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 4: when you have to set a time to get on 734 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 4: a zoom, the relationship has to be real now. And 735 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 4: that was from the work I put in. And that's 736 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 4: not from like just the superficial shit. That's from really 737 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 4: developing relationships. And I think for me it's now like 738 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 4: paying attention to every single thing that I do. And 739 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, do I want to make a 740 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 4: bet on this anymore? Or am I at the point 741 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 4: of my career now where I have to start thinking 742 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 4: about more like institutional things to set up for ourselves 743 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 4: for the rest of our life. And for Kevin, you know, 744 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 4: I really separated boardroom in thirty five Ventures, so I 745 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 4: could say to Kevin, this is your family office, man, 746 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 4: it's what you worked for. 747 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 3: This is what you work for. 748 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 4: You have a foundation, you have a standalone building called 749 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 4: the Durant Center. 750 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 3: We're building a Durant Athletics center. 751 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 4: You have a Team Durant facility, your mother runs the 752 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 4: Durant Family Foundation. 753 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 3: You have a Nike lifetime deal. 754 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 4: Like Kevin is built an incredible portfolio and business for himself, 755 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 4: and I take pride in it because his great grandkids 756 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 4: are going to benefit from this. But now Boardroom is 757 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 4: where I bet right. Boardroom is where I'm still like, Yo, 758 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 4: I want to pivot a bit, or I want to 759 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 4: do a party in Vegas, or I want to do 760 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 4: an event with CNBC in LA like I'm doing in 761 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 4: two weeks. And for me, Boardroom is now the brand 762 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 4: that we're going to take chances with. And you know, pickleball, 763 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 4: it's a chance. But I didn't separate it. I said, 764 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 4: anything we do is going to fall into this bucket. 765 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 4: And I think that's where I'm having more fun. And 766 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 4: then on the more institutional side, it's really looking at 767 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 4: investments that you know can withstand the test of time. 768 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 5: Now, what's the most riskiest investment? 769 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: Thirty five is made, They paid that paid off. 770 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 3: That paid off. That's a good one. 771 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 4: Well, I would say early on the first few investments 772 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 4: in hindsight were all risky because I didn't know shit right, 773 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 4: like straight up didn't know anything. But there's something refreshing 774 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 4: about that. I actually like missed that feeling a bit. 775 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 4: I remember sitting one of my first meals, Kevin and 776 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 4: I went to Tosca in San Francisco, remember the spot, 777 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 4: And we were sitting with a famed angel investor, Ron Conway. 778 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 4: Seed investor became a billionaire and like people have attributed 779 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 4: their success to him over and over again, Facebook, Airbnb, 780 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,959 Speaker 4: He's behind everything. And we started asking me questions about deals, 781 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 4: and like he said something very like trivial to start, 782 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 4: like a series A round. 783 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 3: And I remember thinking to. 784 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,720 Speaker 4: Myself, like, I got to ask this guy with series 785 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 4: A means like I honestly don't know, or is he 786 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 4: just gonna laugh me off this table? And I was like, 787 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 4: I got to keep it real. I've never done this before. 788 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 4: I have no idea told me about series A and 789 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 4: round series B. And this is the same thing my 790 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 4: basketball coach told me once when I was younger, which 791 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 4: was like a major backhanded compliment, but he was. 792 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 3: Like, every time you fuck up, you never do it again. 793 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,439 Speaker 4: I was like, what the fuck does that mean man, 794 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 4: but it meant that, like you tell me something one 795 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 4: time and I'm just not gonna forget it, and I'm 796 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 4: not going to do the same thing again. So I 797 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 4: just sat and consumed all this information, and I think 798 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 4: it was like risky, but it was pure how we 799 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 4: approached in the beginning, because Kevin and I would have 800 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 4: these founders come meet with us. I don't even know 801 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 4: what we were asking, but we were asking these like 802 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 4: personal questions and really getting to know them. And you 803 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 4: realize sometimes, especially early on, and if you're a good 804 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 4: reader people, and I think to your point before, if 805 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 4: you grow up around some chaos at times too, you're 806 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 4: hyper aware, so you read people. 807 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 3: And I'm always. 808 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 4: Reading people, and I really feel like I can read 809 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 4: people's body language better than some. And I would look 810 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 4: at these founders and be like, can I see this 811 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 4: woman or this man building what they say they're going 812 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 4: to build. 813 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 3: And do I get it? Like straight up? Can I 814 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 3: repeat it? 815 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 4: Can I come see Matt and Stack and tell them 816 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 4: what I just invested in. If I can't repeat it, 817 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 4: I should not be investing in it. And some of 818 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,439 Speaker 4: those early principles that weren't complicated actually really probably were 819 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,240 Speaker 4: really beneficial to the process without all the noise. 820 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 5: Biggest return on investment you had today, if we're not being. 821 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 4: Nosy, No, it's cool. I mean, you know, Postmates was 822 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 4: great in the beginning. Coinbas was great in the beginning. 823 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 4: We have one now even amidst this market that we 824 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,359 Speaker 4: invested in company hugging face that I. 825 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 5: Saw what they do. 826 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 4: They're AI technolog So it ended up really benefiting us, 827 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 4: as you know, as they've grown into it, because at 828 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 4: the time it was like loosely rooted in AI. But 829 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,320 Speaker 4: there's been other good ones. There's some good ones on paper. 830 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 4: There's some ones that if you asked me a year ago, 831 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,439 Speaker 4: were through the moon, and you know now they're back down. 832 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 3: But I still believe in the business. 833 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,760 Speaker 4: But you know, I think, to be honest, the greatest 834 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 4: investment we've made has been in building boardroom ourselves. 835 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 3: Whatever happens with it. 836 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,760 Speaker 4: It's been really amazing to and I'm sure you guys, 837 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,240 Speaker 4: I mean, look what you guys at built right from scratch, 838 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 4: from the two of you being like, let's do this 839 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 4: show to people knowing it. That's the hardest thing in 840 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 4: the world to do in business, to build a brand. 841 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 4: So every like people all over Vegas know what all 842 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 4: the smoke is independently of the two of you. That's 843 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 4: incredible And for me, it's like, whatever happens now, I 844 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 4: wanted to do this. I remember the day I thought 845 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 4: about creating this. I still have miles and miles to go. 846 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 4: But the fact that like resonating. 847 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 3: And it's working, absolutely that feels different than anything else 848 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:04,399 Speaker 3: I've ever done. 849 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely dope. 850 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 2: Another pillar of thirty five ventures is the documentary side 851 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 2: Oscar Award winning did Two Distant Strangers. We had Van 852 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 2: Lathan and treyvon Free speak to it. How did that 853 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 2: partnership come about and how was it winning your first Oscar? 854 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 4: Well, it was incredible winning our first Oscar. Unfortunately for 855 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 4: short form doc EPs don't get a trophy, but it's 856 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 4: all good. 857 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 3: It was cool to be associated with it. You know. 858 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 4: It's funny because every film we've worked on, I've done 859 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 4: ten of these now and I would never refer to 860 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 4: myself as a filmmaker. From Fade to Black to Katie's 861 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 4: the Off Season on HBO, and we did a show 862 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 4: q Ball that was on San Quentin Prison when you 863 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 4: were in obey But it was always just like a 864 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 4: story we wanted to tell. So PG County obviously was 865 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 4: a story we wanted to tell. This was sent to 866 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 4: me my friend Samir during the pandemic and he was like, 867 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 4: just read the script and tell me what you think. 868 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 3: And that was the first time we read a script. 869 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 4: And all we really needed from or they needed from us, 870 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 4: was financing it first and like you know, attaching our 871 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 4: names and giving them their support and they did the 872 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 4: rest and we in that sense, we read it right 873 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 4: right because the script was incredible. Sometimes, like with Swagger, 874 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,760 Speaker 4: similar that was an idea Kevin and I had because 875 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 4: you know, all Kevin talked about when I first met 876 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 4: him was this rec center he grew up in, and 877 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,359 Speaker 4: it was amazing to me how Formula Live that rec 878 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 4: center had been in his life. So the idea came 879 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 4: about about like the rec center in some ways, or 880 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,720 Speaker 4: PG County being the backdrop to this like Friday Nights 881 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 4: like story about youth basketball and what went on. And 882 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 4: Reggie who's the director of Swagger, just knocked it out 883 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 4: the box. But you know, that was a partnership with 884 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,319 Speaker 4: Imagine and Brian Grazer and Ron Howard and it went 885 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 4: to Apple and again like I had the self awareness 886 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 4: to go I can't make a big budget ten episode 887 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 4: series yet on Apple, but it's our idea. We're gonna 888 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,800 Speaker 4: bring it to the right people. And then there's sometimes 889 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 4: like with Point Guards, where I was like, shit, like 890 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 4: this is my baby, like I speak this language, and 891 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 4: we rolled up our sleeves and got involved in that one. 892 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,799 Speaker 4: And I think it's fun to tell these stories. It's 893 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 4: a great extension of our brand. I think it's still 894 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 4: like incredible when you see something up. 895 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 3: On the screen or on television like that. 896 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 4: Right, it's nothing like it, but it's got to be 897 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,359 Speaker 4: something that connects with us. Like right now, I'm working 898 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 4: on a dock on an artist from New York and 899 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,839 Speaker 4: it's like, you know, I would do this. 900 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 3: I'd pay to do this. You know. It's like that 901 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 3: type of stuff is just rewarding for me. 902 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 2: So you did two particular projects, In the Water and 903 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 2: Point Gouds that land in here at showtime. What made 904 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 2: those two so special? You've been kind of touching on 905 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 2: Point Guards throughout the documentary or excuse me about throughout 906 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 2: the interview talk to us about that. 907 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,399 Speaker 1: And then in the Water, well, in. 908 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 4: The Water was just like every time I'd meet someone, 909 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,839 Speaker 4: Katie'd be like, yeah, he from PG County and I'd 910 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 4: be like him too, he from PG County. And it 911 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,799 Speaker 4: was like, holy shit, like there is insane amounts of 912 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 4: talent that has come out of PG County. And then 913 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 4: some young filmmaker from PG sent me an email and 914 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 4: it was a link and he had put this sizzle 915 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 4: together of an idea to do this project on like 916 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,880 Speaker 4: the greatness of PG County. And the one thing I 917 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 4: don't ever do is make a firm decision on something 918 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 4: for Kevin and I, you know, a lot of managers 919 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 4: will be like, nah, he I already know he ain't 920 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 4: feeling that, But like, Kevin is a different thinker, so 921 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 4: like part of what our partnership is is sometimes he 922 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 4: surprises the shit out of me. 923 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 3: So I'm like, let me never take. 924 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 4: Any of this for Granted, I didn't think the sizzle 925 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 4: was insane, but the passion there and the meaning was 926 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 4: and I sent it to him. 927 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 3: He's like, we got to do this film. 928 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,359 Speaker 4: And from then on it was just like the more 929 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 4: stories we heard, the more stories we heard, it was 930 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,760 Speaker 4: like it just proved our point that there was something 931 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 4: in the water in PG County. That we had to do, 932 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 4: and then New York It's like for me, Man Kareem 933 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 4: read Kenny Anderson, God Sham Guy Rod Strickland, like, that's 934 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 4: Michael Jordan to me. 935 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:05,919 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. 936 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,959 Speaker 4: Those guys were God and I always felt like point 937 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,400 Speaker 4: guards in New York City in the early nineties in 938 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 4: a lot of ways, were like the first reflection of 939 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 4: hip hop. 940 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 3: And sports like this molding together. 941 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 4: It came out in the form of Skip to My 942 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 4: Lou and God Shambo. Yeah, Stefan Marberry like that to 943 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,399 Speaker 4: me because they were superheroes. But in New York City, 944 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, and it resonated. But when 945 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 4: you looked at their careers, they weren't all Hall of famers, 946 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 4: but the impact they had in New York the Mecca 947 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,160 Speaker 4: was off the charts to this day, to this day. 948 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 5: How much basketball do you watch nowadays? 949 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 4: A lot, a lot, always, yeah, always, I keep up 950 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 4: with everything. First of all, it's overwhelming the amount of 951 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 4: information there is in general. But it's like, I want 952 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,840 Speaker 4: to get more involved in the WNBA. I want to 953 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,839 Speaker 4: watch women's soccer because we invested in it. I want 954 00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,360 Speaker 4: to watch MLS because we invested in it. I'm a 955 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 4: Met fan. I'm a diehard Giant fan, Rick Patino's coaching, 956 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:06,240 Speaker 4: Saint John's. 957 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:07,920 Speaker 3: I like to watch sports. 958 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 4: I also have a family, also socialize, also go out, 959 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 4: also work, So it's unbearable how much there is to watch. 960 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 4: Basketball is one that I'll never cheat. I have to 961 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,440 Speaker 4: keep up a because it's like my partner is a savant, 962 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 4: so if I don't know what I'm talking about, he 963 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,960 Speaker 4: may be like, get out this room, man, So I 964 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,320 Speaker 4: always can keep up. I love the Nicks and Nets 965 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 4: like I watch them. I'll always watch them. I always 966 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,439 Speaker 4: watch Katie games. And then like there's just so much 967 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 4: greatness in the league. You know, there's team like I 968 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,040 Speaker 4: didn't want to miss Memphis this year. I like watching Orlando. 969 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 4: I always want to watch bron and watch the Lakers play. 970 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 4: So it's like it's the only television that still has steaks, 971 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,400 Speaker 4: that still has some uncertainty, that still has like a 972 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 4: narrative and something that's bigger than all of us. 973 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 3: You know, you can't pause at all. It's just happening 974 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:57,239 Speaker 3: in real time. 975 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 4: So like I was watching Wimbledon before I came here 976 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 4: to watch the Alcoraz match, like it's still the best 977 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 4: entertainment on TV. 978 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:15,879 Speaker 5: Is sports outside of KD. Best three in the game right. 979 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 4: Now, best three players, Jokic of course, let me think 980 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 4: about that. Giannis bron who you like watching the most 981 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,879 Speaker 4: besides KT book. 982 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 1: You get to watch that every night? 983 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:34,799 Speaker 5: Now. 984 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:43,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I like watching Jokic, I like watching Denver. 985 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 4: I mean, I think that was like a refreshing thing 986 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,920 Speaker 4: to see because growing up, it always felt like teams 987 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 4: had like major superstar center of galaxy and then like 988 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,840 Speaker 4: everything working on all cylinders for that person, and the 989 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,719 Speaker 4: whole system works and there's continuity and the team goes 990 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 4: every year. That might not work for every organization, but 991 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 4: it was fun to watch that, like to see people 992 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,120 Speaker 4: enjoying the hell out of being the ninth man on 993 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,680 Speaker 4: that team and coming in the game. But I actually 994 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,399 Speaker 4: really love watching like Orlando's been fun to watch because, 995 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 4: like I like to watch development and some of these 996 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 4: guys too, So like I liked watching Palo's game early 997 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 4: on and then you know, midway through the season, and 998 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 4: then seeing how he would adjust towards the end of 999 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 4: the season. 1000 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 3: So you know, I'll watch whatever's. 1001 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,920 Speaker 5: On what's next for board two Questions what's next for 1002 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 5: board Room And how was it working with Sabrina on 1003 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,719 Speaker 5: escul amazing. 1004 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,439 Speaker 4: I mean Sabrina, you know, she's her agent. Duffy has 1005 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,520 Speaker 4: been incredible to me, so he really was like open. 1006 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,480 Speaker 4: Not many people would have been open to what I 1007 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,360 Speaker 4: was envisioning early, which was that I'm building this brand 1008 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,400 Speaker 4: in this platform. I wanted to embody the business of 1009 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 4: sports and music and all these things that were compelled 1010 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 4: by And there's deal flow, and there's access and opportunity 1011 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 4: and storytelling. 1012 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,080 Speaker 3: And I really want Sabrina to be a part of it. 1013 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,759 Speaker 3: But I'm not getting in the way of what you 1014 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 3: guys do. Just want her to be a part of it. 1015 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,759 Speaker 4: And it's worked out because you know, she's been She's 1016 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 4: given us ideas, she's heard ideas from us, she supported 1017 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,920 Speaker 4: the brand, and just having her, you know, as somebody 1018 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 4: that's like part of the fam has been been powerful. 1019 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 4: And I think that's a big part of where we're 1020 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,480 Speaker 4: going now. It's like Boardroom has the digital media platform. 1021 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,319 Speaker 4: We have, you know, our newsletters and our pods and 1022 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,800 Speaker 4: our shows, and we're doing more and more in the physical. 1023 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,520 Speaker 4: Our conference with CNBC should be a hit. We got 1024 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:34,320 Speaker 4: Travis Scott kd speaking, Paolo, David Blitzer, a ton of people, Tamika, 1025 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 4: and I think also it's going to be time for 1026 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,360 Speaker 4: us to start aligning ourselves with more talent and building 1027 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 4: out you know, an element of boardroom that's an advisory 1028 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,359 Speaker 4: where we can work with more athletes and you know, 1029 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,800 Speaker 4: and similar to what we were able to do with Sabrina, 1030 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,799 Speaker 4: but a bit more formalized to have more in our 1031 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,799 Speaker 4: in our camp. And I also think we can be 1032 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,960 Speaker 4: a benefit to agents, Like I don't see this as 1033 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,640 Speaker 4: a competitive thing. I see that you know, this, this 1034 00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,920 Speaker 4: vehicle we built and the access we have and the 1035 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,880 Speaker 4: brand we build can only compliment to other people's business. 1036 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:07,800 Speaker 5: Who is rich outside a business, cool as a motherfucker, 1037 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 5: cool as a motherfucker, could throw the football a little bit. 1038 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I could throw the football. I love the shit 1039 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,480 Speaker 4: out my family. Like everyone says that, but I you know, 1040 00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,960 Speaker 4: you know, I really really really try to form a 1041 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,200 Speaker 4: perfect balance for me, you know what I'm saying. Like, 1042 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,279 Speaker 4: I know that I started doing this at like sixteen, 1043 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,760 Speaker 4: Like I was in the clubs in New York at sixteen. 1044 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,280 Speaker 4: I know I'm not the richest dude in the room. 1045 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,680 Speaker 4: I know I'm not the most successful dude in the room, 1046 00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 4: but I know that I have my spot, and I've 1047 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 4: been doing it for so long that I feel like 1048 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,439 Speaker 4: I have a perspective and I feel like I'm moving 1049 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,400 Speaker 4: in slower motion now and I'm aware of what is happening, 1050 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,799 Speaker 4: and I know where I can impact the game down 1051 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,640 Speaker 4: for you, the game is slowed down for me. So 1052 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,960 Speaker 4: I go back home and get that balance from my 1053 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 4: family because it keeps me slowed down. And now for me, 1054 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,560 Speaker 4: it's really just about like continuing to build and continuing 1055 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,319 Speaker 4: to find things that inspire me. 1056 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,800 Speaker 3: But like when. 1057 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,439 Speaker 4: I check out, I check out, I'm playing pickleball, I'm 1058 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 4: with friends, I'm socialist. Shit, I like to be in 1059 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,759 Speaker 4: the mix. At forty six, I try to balance like 1060 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,040 Speaker 4: being forty six, but being in the mix, because the 1061 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,840 Speaker 4: last thing I tell everybody that's my age is like, 1062 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,200 Speaker 4: do not get out of touch. 1063 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 3: Don't try to act all like you bigger than social media. 1064 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 3: It's bad for you. 1065 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,879 Speaker 4: You have to stay connected or you'll get old, right, 1066 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,600 Speaker 4: and I'm not trying to get old at all. 1067 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,640 Speaker 5: I'll damn sure I ain't all right. 1068 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,879 Speaker 1: We want in this down right now. 1069 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,400 Speaker 2: Quick hitters first, thing to come to mind. Let us know, 1070 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,960 Speaker 2: Stuck in an Island. Three shows or movies in rotation. 1071 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:44,920 Speaker 4: Succession, Casino and Juice, because I just watched. 1072 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:45,720 Speaker 3: It the other day and I'm hooked. 1073 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,239 Speaker 2: Speaking of Casino, I just played in the NBPA golf 1074 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,560 Speaker 2: tournament on Monday and it was at the golf course 1075 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,640 Speaker 2: the Las Vegas Country Club and they still have the 1076 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,840 Speaker 2: little playing inside the little thing and I took my 1077 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,600 Speaker 2: god no because I was it was weird because we 1078 00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,000 Speaker 2: were playing. I'm like, damn, this course is kind of 1079 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,640 Speaker 2: seeing it didn't It didn't show a ton of the movie, 1080 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,600 Speaker 2: but I just kind of felt like the houses and 1081 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,160 Speaker 2: then it looks like is that an airplane? I was like, 1082 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:06,879 Speaker 2: oh yeah, this really shot to see them, like what 1083 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:07,920 Speaker 2: the for the feds? 1084 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,360 Speaker 1: R remember? And they crashed and the thing it bounced 1085 00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:11,520 Speaker 1: bru It was hell of cool. 1086 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, if you ever decided to do a movie rich 1087 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,359 Speaker 5: with some gangster ship, I gotta have a role. 1088 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,440 Speaker 3: Hell yeah, played Hoops? 1089 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,280 Speaker 5: Who you compare your game. 1090 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:28,320 Speaker 3: To h if? If I was playing Hoops? A shooter, 1091 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:29,920 Speaker 3: definitely a shooter. 1092 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,279 Speaker 4: When I was younger, I definitely like tried to get 1093 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,120 Speaker 4: a little bit of the like New York City point 1094 00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:36,920 Speaker 4: guards ship, so I'd make it like a pointless no 1095 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,279 Speaker 4: look past. But I was shot the ball a little 1096 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,200 Speaker 4: better than New York City point guards. 1097 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,080 Speaker 3: Like you understand this. I'm more of like a two 1098 00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:46,319 Speaker 3: three from back in the day. 1099 00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:47,279 Speaker 5: Now I don't. 1100 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,960 Speaker 3: I wouldn't have worked in positionless basketball. I would have 1101 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:50,439 Speaker 3: had to play. 1102 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:56,560 Speaker 5: Were you nice like Willy dirsh even? Yeah? 1103 00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,120 Speaker 3: I mean really was smooth, bro. Yeah, I didn't have that. 1104 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:00,880 Speaker 3: I didn't have that. 1105 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,200 Speaker 4: I didn't have that, and I hit big shots, big shots. 1106 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:06,480 Speaker 1: So maybe this call you J. J. 1107 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:07,800 Speaker 5: Reddick may love depression. 1108 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,759 Speaker 2: Top three business moguls you know outside of you and 1109 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,800 Speaker 2: your team? 1110 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:20,840 Speaker 3: Did I know personally? Loreen Jobs. 1111 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:29,440 Speaker 4: Incredible businesswoman, incredible philanthropists, Jimmy Iveen monster love everything about 1112 00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:36,960 Speaker 4: that man, and we think, uh did he. 1113 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:38,719 Speaker 5: Did he? 1114 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,839 Speaker 3: Because I think that. 1115 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,120 Speaker 4: The one thing about being an entrepreneur that you have 1116 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,040 Speaker 4: to be able to do more than anything is like 1117 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,799 Speaker 4: wins and losses, just keep going. And I've never seen 1118 00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,919 Speaker 4: any human being as relentless and keep going as him. 1119 00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,800 Speaker 4: I would put an asterisk now and add Michael Rubin 1120 00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,920 Speaker 4: just because it, like I was saying earlier about everyone. 1121 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:02,600 Speaker 3: Being uniquely them. 1122 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,680 Speaker 4: I've never ever seen anyone like him. What he's built 1123 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:11,040 Speaker 4: is beyond inspiring. And something I noticed at his party 1124 00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,040 Speaker 4: last week, and my wife and I noticed it is 1125 00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,439 Speaker 4: special quality, is that he took time to really say 1126 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:17,520 Speaker 4: load everybody at the party. 1127 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:18,839 Speaker 3: And I watched it. 1128 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,480 Speaker 4: Because he knows me very well, knows my wife a 1129 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,719 Speaker 4: little bit. But I saw you know, you always pay 1130 00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:25,320 Speaker 4: attention when you're with your girl out. You want to 1131 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,560 Speaker 4: make sure she good, everyone good. And I saw him 1132 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,520 Speaker 4: just like reach across the bar and make sure he 1133 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,719 Speaker 4: made eye contact. And that's what works in business, right, 1134 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,759 Speaker 4: So if you don't do that when you're at your 1135 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,719 Speaker 4: own party, or do that amongst people, it will end 1136 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,279 Speaker 4: up being a detriment in business. And you could see why, 1137 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,480 Speaker 4: even as relentless as he is, he clearly has a 1138 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:46,440 Speaker 4: level of empathy. 1139 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,160 Speaker 3: And I think that's what's made him really special. 1140 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,280 Speaker 5: If you had to be watched one game in history courtside, 1141 00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:52,680 Speaker 5: what would it be? Would be? 1142 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:58,640 Speaker 4: Oh, man, that would definitely be well, one game courtside, 1143 00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,640 Speaker 4: because some of them I was courtside, but it's a 1144 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,799 Speaker 4: nick games. It would probably be it would probably be 1145 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:11,680 Speaker 4: a well, now I'm thinking about all the ones that didn't. 1146 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:11,919 Speaker 5: Go our way. 1147 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,719 Speaker 3: I was about to say the Charles Smith game, but. 1148 00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,080 Speaker 5: Why would a bunch of games. 1149 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,200 Speaker 4: I wouldn't probably say Starks is dunk, Starks is dunk, 1150 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,400 Speaker 4: Starks is dunk on the bulls. If I was sitting 1151 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,919 Speaker 4: right there on the floor, I probably would have lost 1152 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,160 Speaker 4: my mind. By the way, when KD hit the shot 1153 00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:33,400 Speaker 4: with the line, I went out of body, like it 1154 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,759 Speaker 4: sucks that they that that for many reasons, but my 1155 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,280 Speaker 4: reaction I had to kind of like push it aside 1156 00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:40,520 Speaker 4: because we didn't win the game. 1157 00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:44,480 Speaker 3: But I went like mosh pit extra. 1158 00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,240 Speaker 5: I went wild, yeah, because that was that was the finals, 1159 00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,560 Speaker 5: That was a championship. Was everything one. 1160 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,960 Speaker 2: Inch long, toast five dinner guests, dead or alive. You 1161 00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:55,759 Speaker 2: plus five at the dinner table. 1162 00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,360 Speaker 3: Me plus five at the dinner table. 1163 00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,520 Speaker 2: You and KD plus five. Because I don't want him 1164 00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,000 Speaker 2: to take out an extra seats. 1165 00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,600 Speaker 3: I would definitely have to five. 1166 00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,200 Speaker 1: No, but I'm saying you two together and then you're. 1167 00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:11,719 Speaker 4: Five, Okay, us two together are five, You're five. I'm 1168 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:19,800 Speaker 4: just gonna freestyle clearly because I would say, uh, Quincy Jones, 1169 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:28,160 Speaker 4: Muhammad Ali, Jimmy and Dre and Serena. 1170 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:33,000 Speaker 5: Nice one, guess you would like to see on our show, 1171 00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,760 Speaker 5: But but you have to help us get your answer 1172 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,799 Speaker 5: on the show, the award winning show. 1173 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,080 Speaker 1: So someone in that rolodex of yours that I. 1174 00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,160 Speaker 3: Have to help get on this show, would like to. 1175 00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,400 Speaker 2: See someone you're cool with, someone you could you know 1176 00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,000 Speaker 2: you said picking up the phone or getting on the 1177 00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:57,560 Speaker 2: zoom jay Z. Excuse me wash that down with our messcounts. 1178 00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:58,960 Speaker 3: Someone else would have to make that call. 1179 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:01,600 Speaker 5: Yeah. 1180 00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,200 Speaker 1: When I think about Rich, he's very self aware. 1181 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,319 Speaker 5: You know, you know what you do good. 1182 00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:12,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, you may get him before me. Ship. Let me 1183 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:16,560 Speaker 3: think about that. I mean, who have you not had 1184 00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,520 Speaker 3: on that you want? Why don't you give me a job? 1185 00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,640 Speaker 3: Give me someone, I'll go get it. I'm better that way. 1186 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:21,440 Speaker 1: I love that. 1187 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,120 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna make I'm gonna give you a hit 1188 00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:24,200 Speaker 2: list of like three or five. 1189 00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:25,160 Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, give me. 1190 00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:26,279 Speaker 3: I like to work for free. 1191 00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,920 Speaker 5: I like that guy at his dinner that we didn't have, Serena. 1192 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:31,600 Speaker 5: We'll talk about what we had. 1193 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,640 Speaker 1: Serena. You're talking to William. 1194 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,440 Speaker 3: Inviting her to my dinner, not because I can get her. 1195 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,000 Speaker 2: Man, you don't get to know her a little bit, right, Well, Rich, man, 1196 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:41,000 Speaker 2: we appreciate your time. 1197 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:42,920 Speaker 1: I've always been a big fan of you. 1198 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,439 Speaker 2: Again, one of the real genuine people in this space 1199 00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,960 Speaker 2: and that's hard to come by. Wish you continue success 1200 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,799 Speaker 2: with the Venture boardroom. We got to find something to 1201 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,560 Speaker 2: do together before we get out of there. You got 1202 00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,520 Speaker 2: a shout out one of the best companies in the 1203 00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,320 Speaker 2: world and my guy Scott with Legends. We got a 1204 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,040 Speaker 2: little Legends All the Smoke gift bag. 1205 00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,879 Speaker 5: And also let them know what we beveraging. Matt. 1206 00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, you've been drinking on our mescal coming out soon. 1207 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:08,640 Speaker 5: Yeah. 1208 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,239 Speaker 1: Do we have a name for it yet? What does 1209 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:10,640 Speaker 1: that means? 1210 00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,520 Speaker 5: That means rings in Spanish? Okay, you learn something new 1211 00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,960 Speaker 5: every days in Spanish. Championship rings in Spanish. 1212 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:17,520 Speaker 1: We do that here. 1213 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,840 Speaker 2: We definitely want to shout out Excess Nightclubring the Win Hotel, 1214 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,680 Speaker 2: thank you for hosting us again. Shout out to Legends, 1215 00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,360 Speaker 2: Rich We appreciate your time. You can catch this on 1216 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,600 Speaker 2: Showtime Basketball, YouTube and the iHeart platform Black Effects. 1217 00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:32,040 Speaker 1: We'll see y'all next week.