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Speaker 2: Katie at the Spa, I love this place.
Speaker 3: They also have the best Korean food there, oh really
Speaker 3: care about. Like I would spend all there and then
Speaker 3: go upstairs and you just order like like bowls of
Speaker 3: like brown rice and kim chi and.
Speaker 1: So delicious healthy, like super.
Speaker 3: Healthy, delicious healthy, Like I can't even get it. And
Speaker 3: a woman was like, does everyone ever tell you look
Speaker 3: like Quinn Perkins?
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus curse.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, I get that all the time.
Speaker 3: And she was like, whatever, You're way prettier than that girl.
Speaker 1: No. I used to in the beginning. I used to
Speaker 1: be like, bitch, bitch, I don't know, I don't see it.
Speaker 1: I used to in the beginning be like that's me, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm huck And then and then as the you know,
Speaker 1: the seasons would go on, I'd be like yeah, yeah, yeah, people, yeah,
Speaker 1: people tell me that, yeah, thanks, yeah, And then I'm
Speaker 1: just like I don't even engage. Yeah, and I've stopped
Speaker 1: doing yeah, I stopped doing the whole like what have
Speaker 1: I seen you in? Because I used to be like, well,
Speaker 1: a show called Scandal. I was on Weak and they'd
Speaker 1: be like no, no, no.
Speaker 2: And then I was like your resume, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And then you feel dumb because they're like, no, that's
Speaker 1: not it, and I'm like, now I don't do that anymore.
Speaker 1: I'm just like I don't know stuff, you know.
Speaker 3: I always got to saying like, no, you were at
Speaker 3: Beamon Park on a playdate, like I met you like
Speaker 3: in the sandbox, and I'm like, no, they can't put
Speaker 3: it together where they've seen me. But I look like
Speaker 3: such dogshit that there's no way that I could be
Speaker 3: like a Hollywood actor. It's like, no, you're that dumpy
Speaker 3: mom I saw. Oh my god. I feel like so
Speaker 3: much fucking happens in this episode. I can't even deal
Speaker 3: with it. But you know you probably feel that way
Speaker 3: because Huck wasn't in it, Munch and Quinn wasn't in
Speaker 3: it at all.
Speaker 1: Right, this is the first episode that we don't see Quinn.
Speaker 2: Right, Quinn is not in it.
Speaker 3: I remember getting a call, well, yeah, I remember getting
Speaker 3: a call from Shondas and I'm like.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, every I'm getting fired. It's done. We're over.
Speaker 2: They figured it out.
Speaker 1: You guys, I.
Speaker 3: Suck, get me out of here, like like what the fuck?
Speaker 3: And she just was like, I just want to let
Speaker 3: you know, like you're not in next week's episode, but
Speaker 3: it's not. It's only because this it's mostly a you know,
Speaker 3: a flashback episode, and Quinn wasn't anywhere you know, you
Speaker 3: were in like fucking high school or whatever, like you know,
Speaker 3: you were in law school and no one gave a.
Speaker 2: Shit about you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Remember being like wildly upset. Like of course, as an
Speaker 3: insecure actor, you're like, what.
Speaker 2: Did I do in the war? Yeah, they don't want
Speaker 2: me to be on there shoes.
Speaker 1: They're starting to weed me out, Like.
Speaker 3: I actually even like kind of remember like coming to
Speaker 3: the trailers anyway maybe and like lying like I needed
Speaker 3: to pick something up just to be like what's happening
Speaker 3: because I felt so out of the loop. But then
Speaker 3: cut to like my jaded ass now, which I'd be.
Speaker 2: Like, what the fuck that means? You're you're paid for
Speaker 2: a whole episode even week?
Speaker 1: Yes, what a dream?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, as we're talking about episode two eleven, called
Speaker 3: a Criminal, a Whore, an Idiot, and a Liar. It
Speaker 3: aired on January seventeenth of twenty thirteen, and.
Speaker 1: It was written by Mark Fish and directed by Stephen Cragg.
Speaker 3: Guest starring Vita Patil as President's doctor, Denorah Wilcott as reporter,
Speaker 3: Carol Reese Rio says reporter, Peter Joe Holt as Secretary
Speaker 3: of Defense.
Speaker 1: And Virginia Louise Smith as Secretary of State. Barry Bosswick,
Speaker 1: Barry Bosswick, you guys as Jerry Grants, Come on, Wick,
Speaker 1: most of my notes are about Barry Bobs.
Speaker 2: I can't wait.
Speaker 1: And then we have Jeannette Brocks as Rona, the polling analysts.
Speaker 3: And then wow, Germo, you would be right because this
Speaker 3: synopsis on this prep sheet is real short, so I
Speaker 3: don't super sure why I have notes on this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll just read like the last two seconds.
Speaker 3: Ready, here we go, just to jog all you gladiator's memories.
Speaker 3: Although you're such fucking o g gladiators. I'm sure you've
Speaker 3: watched episode two eleven a million times because it's fucking awesome.
Speaker 3: But let me tell you about it. The White House
Speaker 3: is rocked by more changes. It fits, going back to one,
Speaker 3: going back to one, going back to one, to one,
Speaker 3: back to one, back to one. The White House is
Speaker 3: rocked by more changes. As Fits returns to office, flash
Speaker 3: Backs reveal more about the rigged election conspiracy, along with
Speaker 3: Fitz's relationship with his father.
Speaker 1: Edison makes a shocking accusation against Olivia, and Fitz makes
Speaker 1: a surprising decision about his future with Melly, as does Edison.
Speaker 2: With Olivia, Olivia has to make a few hard choices.
Speaker 2: Yes this fucking episode.
Speaker 3: I honestly sat there the entire time and thought, how
Speaker 3: did Carrie Washington not win an Emmy for this part?
Speaker 1: She is so good in this episode.
Speaker 3: Fucking believable, Like I can't her emotions because this is
Speaker 3: the episode where she makes the decision to say, yes,
Speaker 3: I'm all in, I want to rig the election with
Speaker 3: Verna and Hollis Doyle and Cyrus and Melli. But it's
Speaker 3: you watch her fall in love with the man. You
Speaker 3: watch her believe in the possibility of him being the
Speaker 3: greatest president that may ever happen, and her justify why
Speaker 3: she's going to say yes, let's rig the election.
Speaker 1: And also yes, and struggling with that, she.
Speaker 3: Like gives up everything she on the other hand, believes in,
Speaker 3: which is we the people get to decide who the
Speaker 3: fucking leader of the free world is it is.
Speaker 1: She's unbelievable and her her her stellar acting starts off
Speaker 1: like right at the top of this episode, at the right,
Speaker 1: like right at the top.
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable. Olivia walks into her apartment. Edison is fucking
Speaker 3: waiting for her, and he's like, I know who your
Speaker 3: boyfriend was the last few years, bitch, it's the president.
Speaker 3: And she's like in all of her classic Olivia like
Speaker 3: like head fucking shitch to the side, arms cross.
Speaker 4: Pointing at him, pointing like like and she, you know,
Speaker 4: is like acting like I don't know what the fuck
Speaker 4: you're talking about, you idiot, And then she has this
Speaker 4: who the fuck wrote this episode?
Speaker 2: Mark Fish?
Speaker 1: Mark Fish? Of course he did.
Speaker 3: Mark Fish was one of the solid dudes with us
Speaker 3: till the very end. And also I think almost was
Speaker 3: like I think he was like headhead head writer seasons
Speaker 3: maybe six and second. He's amazing and such a nice guy.
Speaker 3: But she goes through these numbers like five, this is
Speaker 3: why I won't be with you, four, this is why
Speaker 3: you're a dick. Three this is why I won't be
Speaker 3: with you. Two did you hear me? And one in
Speaker 3: a matter of three minutes, you've called me a criminal,
Speaker 3: a whore, an idiot, and a liar, and so now
Speaker 3: good days.
Speaker 1: Yes, and there's the title of the episode she throws
Speaker 1: that shit out.
Speaker 3: So and also the whole time, I was thinking, how
Speaker 3: the fuck did she memorize this shit?
Speaker 1: H listen most of the time on set and if
Speaker 1: I was around Carrie, she was with her assistant going
Speaker 1: over lines. I mean it was constantly, even when we
Speaker 1: had downtime, when they were setting up in the hair
Speaker 1: and makeup trailer, I mean it was constantly, constantly, constantly
Speaker 1: she was going over lines. She had to, I mean
Speaker 1: because she had this monologue and this is just one
Speaker 1: out of like eight, you know what I mean? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: And sometimes they would there were there were days where
Speaker 1: we had monologues where they would change them the day of,
Speaker 1: like change stuff in the monologue the day of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to paint a picture for you guys, Like
Speaker 3: she would be called in to get her wig on
Speaker 3: at like four thirty in the morning, and so before
Speaker 3: any of us would get there, her lovely assistant, which
Speaker 3: changed over the years, would sit in the fucking hair
Speaker 3: chair next to her, drilling lines until we got there.
Speaker 3: And then she'd be like, yes, it would be maybe
Speaker 3: six am. She'd be like, guys, you would have run it,
Speaker 3: and then we would run. And then when we would
Speaker 3: be shooting the scene.
Speaker 1: An assistant episode, wh can we run.
Speaker 3: The next one? Let me get for the next time. Yes,
Speaker 3: you'd be like a scene that.
Speaker 1: Running the next scene. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 3: The work ethic, I mean she was an Olympic athlete.
Speaker 3: She was literally an Olympic athlete. That's how hard she
Speaker 3: trained in working.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and with Josie on her lap. Carrie used to
Speaker 1: have this little, beautiful little it's a little dog name
Speaker 1: Josie Josephine Baker who loved to eat bacon. Carrie would
Speaker 1: give her bacon in the mornings.
Speaker 2: Remember that that dog. Oh you were Oh my god,
Speaker 2: because I saw her, Like, the little ones always freak
Speaker 2: me out.
Speaker 1: Because they will your face off, like nip.
Speaker 3: Your fucking face and then all of a sudden you're
Speaker 3: getting stitches and you have a scar for the rest
Speaker 3: of your life. Like I loved her. Rip Josie rip
Speaker 3: she does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but she was.
Speaker 2: Like our set mascot. She was there for everything. She
Speaker 2: was so God. Carrie was such a good or.
Speaker 3: She was a mom because yes, that dog was independent
Speaker 3: and would just never on a leash, would follow her around,
Speaker 3: but also like do her own like she was so
Speaker 3: independently her own personality, but also listen to whatever Carrie
Speaker 3: needed her to do.
Speaker 1: And love to also love to be on Carrie's lap
Speaker 1: or in her arm, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Her holding bacon.
Speaker 1: She ate bacon. Yeah, every morning she would give her
Speaker 1: some bacon.
Speaker 2: Is the cutest I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back, guys.
Speaker 3: Okay, So Edison leaves the room after we they're like
Speaker 3: broken up, and she's like, get the fuck out of here,
Speaker 3: and she calls Cyrus and she's like, holy shit, we
Speaker 3: have a problem. Edicine just told me that tomorrow Sally
Speaker 3: Langston is going to go public and saying that Fits
Speaker 3: is not capable of leading right now, like he is
Speaker 3: not fully recovered from the gunshot wound. And then we
Speaker 3: do this whole episode where like we're going back and
Speaker 3: forth between like back in time and to present time. Yes,
Speaker 3: and we the big part of this episode is that
Speaker 3: Mellie suggests that you know, Fits is down too many points,
Speaker 3: there's no way he's going to beat Governor Restin, and
Speaker 3: everyone's like bringing Papa Grant played Jerry Grant.
Speaker 1: Jerry was a former politician, right, super successful.
Speaker 2: America's fucking darling dickhead. Yes now, yes, tell me about
Speaker 2: Barry Wick.
Speaker 1: You guys, It's played by Barry Bosswick. I mean listen.
Speaker 1: Barry boss Wick is a theater icon, Carrie, I mean,
Speaker 1: kaye carry, I just called you ing icon. First of all,
Speaker 1: he he was nominated for a Tony He originated originated
Speaker 1: the role of Danny Zuko in Greece, Guys, which is
Speaker 1: for k News, and he was nominated.
Speaker 2: Let it be known that Grease.
Speaker 3: As much as Gearmo and I sang rent on the
Speaker 3: scandal set, Grease was also saying quite a lot because
Speaker 3: Tom Verica, our producing director, played Kinicki all over Pensylvania Jersey.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Katie, I didn't know that he played Kiniki
Speaker 3: all over touring companies.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: But yeah, when Tom Verica was like nineteen to twenty one,
Speaker 3: like he made his living equity, like going around playing
Speaker 3: kiki Is at different places, you know, and he always
Speaker 3: had that that was like, oh no, was that some world?
Speaker 3: Did she put up a fight like that? Music was
Speaker 3: not okay?
Speaker 2: That musical you can't say. I know it's not cool.
Speaker 1: I know, but Tom is fucking hot. Tom is a
Speaker 1: really good looking guy, Like I could totally see him
Speaker 1: in Greece Playicky.
Speaker 2: And then Fully would also.
Speaker 1: I think was Fully Grease too.
Speaker 2: I think I don't know if Fully had done Grease.
Speaker 3: But I just have so many visuals coming into my
Speaker 3: head right now, like me Verica wow fully singing Greece
Speaker 3: like a lot on set for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: I just watched Greece the other day. Greece was I
Speaker 1: used to pull little scenes, little monologues from Greece and
Speaker 1: use them at auditions, like the scene between Kimmicky and Zuko.
Speaker 1: Oh god, there's no I don't have that brain that
Speaker 1: you have. We've talked about this before. Katie could do
Speaker 1: a fucking soliloquy from Shakespeare right now, word for word.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember what the fuck it is. But
Speaker 1: Greece was my jam, Like I I'll put it on
Speaker 1: like to this day just to have in the background
Speaker 1: because it's so good.
Speaker 2: It's incredible.
Speaker 1: But wait, and just recently, what you.
Speaker 2: Audition would you have where you would pull that?
Speaker 1: It was h it was a couple of scenes, it
Speaker 1: was I remember one scene specifically, And I was actually
Speaker 1: auditioning for a manager and I did it with a
Speaker 1: with a friend with someone else. So we did a
Speaker 1: scene the scene with with Kaniki and and and Danny
Speaker 1: where he gets hit in the head and he's like,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to drive for me, like you're you're
Speaker 1: my second, you know all this stuff, that whole thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I did that audition. I did it a couple
Speaker 1: of times. I used that, isn't that funny? I did that.
Speaker 1: I did the breakfast club.
Speaker 2: It's a good idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did stand by me that monologue when when
Speaker 1: he's telling the story about the kid that vomits on
Speaker 1: the audience and all that stuff. I did that as a.
Speaker 2: Model Adam for a monologue. Adam didn't either. You never
Speaker 2: went to like seeing.
Speaker 1: Somebody or watch movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, saying with Adam.
Speaker 3: So when Adam had an audition at University of Maryland,
Speaker 3: he's like a sophomore. He's a polypide major. He wants
Speaker 3: to be a lobbyist in DC. He has no thoughts
Speaker 3: or dreams or aspirations of being an actor.
Speaker 2: And someone's like, you.
Speaker 3: Should really know, and someone's like you should join this
Speaker 3: sketch comedy Troupe at Maryland because you're fucking funny, and
Speaker 3: he joins the sketch troupe, which is just like like SNL,
Speaker 3: you know, and he's doing sketches and he's having the
Speaker 3: best time, sold out audiences on campus, and then they're like,
Speaker 3: you should switch your major to drama. But you had
Speaker 3: to audition to get into the theater department. He didn't
Speaker 3: get in three times, and he didn't know what to
Speaker 3: do either, so he just transcribed the opening monologue to Goodfellas.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: It was like I always knew I wanted to my
Speaker 3: whole life, I've been a gangster some shit like that,
Speaker 3: and like this little skinny, fucking fifty pound jew Pennsylvania
Speaker 3: is doing this like Italian gangster mafia monologue didn't get
Speaker 3: did did he?
Speaker 1: Did he do the same monologue all three times? Or
Speaker 1: would he change it up? You would change it?
Speaker 2: I remember the second time.
Speaker 3: Then the third time he begged the guy who officiated
Speaker 3: our wedding. Scott Reese is amazing drama professor who's like
Speaker 3: super cool, looks like Obama, like such a tall, handsome,
Speaker 3: like bi racial dude. And Adam is like I'm going
Speaker 3: to be a senior. I want to graduate with a
Speaker 3: theater degree and I can't get in and I don't
Speaker 3: know what to do. And the guy was like, here's
Speaker 3: a Neil Simon monologue.
Speaker 1: He's like, you got to use an actual flight yeah
Speaker 1: play monologue.
Speaker 3: And by the way, when he auditioned, all the kids
Speaker 3: are getting up and saying like, you know, this is
Speaker 3: my monologue from name the play and name the playwright,
Speaker 3: and Adam had to get up and he was like.
Speaker 2: This is what's his name? No, he's no.
Speaker 3: When his first he was like, this is this is
Speaker 3: uh whatever? From Goodfellas, like written by Martin score season.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, how precious.
Speaker 3: They were probably okay, all of this in a roundabout
Speaker 3: story to Grease. Barry Bostwick, you you love Grease. He
Speaker 3: was the original fucking Danny Zuko.
Speaker 1: But also he's he's one of the leads and one
Speaker 1: of my favorite fucking horror thriller sci fi musicals ever
Speaker 1: called The Rocky Horror Picture Show. He was Brad Major's asshole,
Speaker 1: the Shadow Cast.
Speaker 2: It's all the best.
Speaker 3: It's the best movie I and the guy is a
Speaker 3: He's a legend.
Speaker 2: He is a legend.
Speaker 3: Changed the game in theater and TV and film alike.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he won the Tony for a show, a
Speaker 1: show called The Robber Bridegroom in nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 2: I don't know that.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I don't know that one either. But also
Speaker 1: Barry Bosswick, all I wanted to do when he was
Speaker 1: on set was talk about rocky horror. Yeah and no, no,
Speaker 1: I barely had scenes with him. I was fucking hagrid huck.
Speaker 1: I was like, what am I gonna look like? Being like, hey,
Speaker 1: Mary Mouth's working as a fucking I'm homeless. He's probably like,
Speaker 1: who the fuck is this? But I remember talking to
Speaker 1: Bellamy about it, and Bellamy was in awe and loved
Speaker 1: him as well, because you know, she's a big theater persons.
Speaker 1: Scenes with him, Yeah, she had a lot of scenes
Speaker 1: with he.
Speaker 3: He's incredible in this episode, and we go there's a
Speaker 3: lot of scenes where like, well we'll get into that,
Speaker 3: but we flashback. They they suggest bringing in Fitz's dad
Speaker 3: to help the campaign to sort of split some of
Speaker 3: the campaign stops on the trail, to get like some
Speaker 3: of the you know, approval ratings up, and then oh
Speaker 3: my god, the fits is like, no, no, we're.
Speaker 2: Not bringing my dad.
Speaker 3: I'm not doing this, Like, no way, I said I
Speaker 3: would do this on my own. I don't need his help.
Speaker 3: I'm not my father's son. And then Olivia and Fitz
Speaker 3: go to Olivia's room to discuss it, and they just
Speaker 3: fucking hook up.
Speaker 1: And it's oh, man, yeah, he starts to slide down her.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and and and Carrie makes that face
Speaker 1: of like ooh this feels good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then also so Tony's gear, I mean, what's his name?
Speaker 3: Oh god, see, I'm getting all.
Speaker 2: Flustered because it was such a fucking hot scene.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: No, He's like, if fine, I'll let my dad come
Speaker 3: and be a part of this, as long as you
Speaker 3: don't talk about it for the next twenty minutes.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh, oh, twenty minute, for twenty minutes,
Speaker 4: for twenty minutes down.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
Speaker 3: Back in the present day hospital, a doctor is briefing
Speaker 3: fits in Melly. I'm like, how like how bad this
Speaker 3: gunshot wound?
Speaker 1: Is?
Speaker 3: Like, They're like, you might lose speech, you might not
Speaker 3: be able to connect your brain to your friends, you
Speaker 3: might not be able to walk, which essentially is like,
Speaker 3: can he be president of the United states like, what
Speaker 3: the hell?
Speaker 2: Okay, Jerry shows up, and Jerry is amazing.
Speaker 3: He called he's such an old fashioned piece of.
Speaker 1: Shit, so wonderful. His energy in this episode just drives
Speaker 1: the episode. So he's so Jerry Grant, like he just
Speaker 1: melded into the role so well, like I can't imagine anyone,
Speaker 1: anyone else playing Jerry Grant. And he walks in, yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, no, pay no attention to me.
Speaker 1: I'm furniture. I'm just gonna sit here. And then Fitz
Speaker 1: starts to rehearse like his you know what he's going
Speaker 1: to say during the debate, and and of course Mary
Speaker 1: boss Wick, Mary Bosswick, Jerry Grant stops him right away,
Speaker 1: and he's like, what are you knowing? You know you're
Speaker 1: good looking, use your personality and.
Speaker 3: Calls Olivia's sweetheart, and he's just like, yes, he's very
Speaker 3: old fashioned in a pig and you could tell he's
Speaker 3: one of those dudes who cheated on his wife forever
Speaker 3: and is like fucking sexist.
Speaker 1: Yes, but also charming as fuck, charming.
Speaker 3: As hem yes, yes, and you could see why America
Speaker 3: is such a big fan. So Fitz gets drunk as
Speaker 3: ship at like a big the night that Jerry is
Speaker 3: there and they have a big dinner and Fits gets
Speaker 3: so wasted because he's so triggered.
Speaker 2: By his dad.
Speaker 3: And then after the dinner, they're in an elevator and
Speaker 3: Olivia is going up to her room and Fits kind of.
Speaker 2: Tries to elevator that ship just the tip in, just like.
Speaker 1: A little bit.
Speaker 3: Olivia pushes him away the exact moment that the elevator
Speaker 3: door opens and Mellie catches it. And it's such a
Speaker 3: scene as Mellie's like, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry,
Speaker 3: and you could tell from Carrie's face, her beautiful acting,
Speaker 3: She's like, I can't believe the guy that I'm sleeping
Speaker 3: with his wife is apologizing.
Speaker 1: To apologizing to me. Yes, And did you see in
Speaker 1: that scene when Mellie first comes anything and and Tony
Speaker 1: backs up, he bangs his head on that light fixture
Speaker 1: in the elevator and Tony's like, oh, like that really happened.
Speaker 1: It was, It's so it's so great. It's it's just
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just added.
Speaker 2: To grace acting.
Speaker 3: You know, they say a lot of times like you know,
Speaker 3: mistakes or things can be your greatest gift because it makes.
Speaker 2: It real and it makes you in the present moment
Speaker 2: and whatever.
Speaker 3: Okay, and then they're getting into the big fight because
Speaker 3: Jerry wants to run a dirty campaign and Fits really
Speaker 3: wants to stay above board and do things the right way.
Speaker 2: But what's cool about Jerry.
Speaker 3: Wanting to run a dirty campaign is that in order
Speaker 3: to run the dirty campaign, Olivia calls in the first
Speaker 3: like Olivia popean associates.
Speaker 5: She really forms like you see the origin story of
Speaker 5: Abby Hawk and Harrison all meeting for like kind of
Speaker 5: the first time to sort of work on digging up
Speaker 5: shit on Governor rest In.
Speaker 3: God Darby kills me you like walk and she's like,
Speaker 3: oh god, oh no, is he coming over here?
Speaker 1: You and I because.
Speaker 3: There's a way that would have been like that, but
Speaker 3: you know, TV creative license, creative license.
Speaker 2: So the dream team is together.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of back and forth in this episode.
Speaker 3: Which is exciting and very well done. We will be
Speaker 3: back with more after the break. The thing that the.
Speaker 1: Thing about this episode, about.
Speaker 3: This episode is that the OPA dream team. The one
Speaker 3: thing they dig up on rest In is that he's
Speaker 3: on antidepressants.
Speaker 2: It's like, I was like, what he gives a shit
Speaker 2: who is it?
Speaker 1: Right? Like I thought the same thing. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is the big Fine, this is the.
Speaker 3: Big This is the Zach who cares Fitz has got
Speaker 3: the information. And they throw him out there into a
Speaker 3: debate and the dad, Jerry Dickhead, is.
Speaker 2: Like, you gotta use this ship.
Speaker 3: You gotta just seal the deal, make sure America knows
Speaker 3: that he's mentally unstable or whatever the hell. And before that,
Speaker 3: another amazing scene Fits is being a little bitch baby.
Speaker 3: He walks into prep for the debate and like the
Speaker 3: they're having technological difficulties and he's like you, why.
Speaker 2: Is this happening? Get out of here. Yeah, and Carrie's like, okay, great, thanks,
Speaker 2: thanks for the night. Everyone go home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And she just sees people are working hard for you, dude,
Speaker 1: like they're working for you, Like you got to calm down, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's your problem?
Speaker 3: And she says, you know what your problem is? Oh
Speaker 3: my god, I didn't see it before. And this is
Speaker 3: when she's getting all that finger shaking straight up in
Speaker 3: his face again, Edison.
Speaker 2: Now she's shaking a finger in his face.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, if I hadn't been And then the
Speaker 3: sentence cuts out, but she was like, if I hadn't
Speaker 3: fallen in love with you, is really what she wanted
Speaker 3: to say, then I wouldn't have missed it. But what
Speaker 3: I missed is America doesn't know who you are. Why
Speaker 3: do you want this?
Speaker 1: Why do you want to be president?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, this is why America doesn't trust you. This
Speaker 3: is why you're losing because you yourself don't know why
Speaker 3: you want this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a good scene. And his face in
Speaker 1: this scene, he's like super emotional. He's like about to cry. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's so good. They're both so so good in this scene.
Speaker 2: My god, it's so good.
Speaker 3: And so instead of him using the antidepressant thing, he
Speaker 3: has a great debate moment talking to like one of
Speaker 3: the women in the audience about her son about to
Speaker 3: go off to war to fight for him, and and
Speaker 3: he has like a real moment of like letting people
Speaker 3: in and seeing how he's vulnerable and he's also afraid and.
Speaker 2: It really they're like, yeah, he kicked out.
Speaker 1: Of this debate totally, was so and and and still
Speaker 1: he did so well. He knocked that shit out the park.
Speaker 1: And still his dad is like, uh, you you wimped out,
Speaker 1: didn't You should have used it you're gonna lose this election,
Speaker 1: like he's still being super negative, and it's like, dude,
Speaker 1: he did amazing in this debate, like come.
Speaker 2: On, and then his dad dies.
Speaker 1: And then his dad fucking dies dead and then fits
Speaker 1: chops wood, which which I thought, Okay, this is like
Speaker 1: the second time we see Tony Goldwen chopping wood, because
Speaker 1: he told Shonda that he's really good at chopping wood, and.
Speaker 2: He is good.
Speaker 1: He's really good, and he looks hot doing it. And
Speaker 1: then I thought, why did they always have me eating
Speaker 1: in scenes? And I thought because I eat really good
Speaker 1: because I liked to eat. I was like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: did nothing.
Speaker 3: I mean, I truly did nothing. So I guess that's
Speaker 3: what I don't have, like a thing. I mean, I
Speaker 3: guess it was like a hacker. But nope, no, Quinn
Speaker 3: at the beginning took a lot of notes to the glob.
Speaker 1: You did take notes, which, by the.
Speaker 2: Way, like a hacker would never write notes.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, listen, I wrote so many notes. But
Speaker 1: I'm also like, you know, sixty.
Speaker 3: Three, so you know what, I used to hide up
Speaker 3: my notes all over the set.
Speaker 1: Gum, right, that's right.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: It was so disgusting, Katie. I remember that. I remember
Speaker 1: opening that shit up sometimes and being like, this is
Speaker 1: so nasty, just globs of gum, like dried up gum.
Speaker 3: Direct your gum issue where is like if I'm around gum,
Speaker 3: I have to chew it, and I have to chew
Speaker 3: a lot of it.
Speaker 2: Like it's like an oral fixation thing. I don't understand.
Speaker 3: Like I don't even buy gum or have it in
Speaker 3: near my house because if I do, it's not like
Speaker 3: I have a piece it, just like it's like no, no.
Speaker 2: Like I'll eat, it'll be gone in an hour. The
Speaker 2: whole thing.
Speaker 1: I do that with the cinnamon gum, with the big
Speaker 1: red like I have to put like five six pieces
Speaker 1: down and get Once the flavor's gone, I spit it
Speaker 1: out and then throw five more in.
Speaker 3: But I had two gum on set to be sure
Speaker 3: that I had super fresh breath for my fellow actors,
Speaker 3: and then they would call action and then I would
Speaker 3: just roll up the wad of gum and stick it
Speaker 3: in the corner of one of our legal notepads. And
Speaker 3: so most of our notepads around set just had a
Speaker 3: shitload of wads of gum in it.
Speaker 2: Thanks to me. So he's chopping wood and they him
Speaker 2: and Olivia are talking about something that I can't remember.
Speaker 3: But the scene sort of ends and he's down on
Speaker 3: his knees and she's hugging him, and he's finally like crying,
Speaker 3: like crying for crying for their relationship, crying for all
Speaker 3: of it. Like he just has this like big emotional release.
Speaker 1: And crying because he found himself. He found who he is,
Speaker 1: you know, his authenticity. And he did great in that debate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in that crying scene, I thought, oh this. I know
Speaker 1: he didn't use no tearstick for this one because he's
Speaker 1: crying into the other actor, which is very convenient. And
Speaker 1: sometimes when you're like, oh, I gotta fucking cry, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna cry into my hands and cover my full face.
Speaker 2: Absolutely deceased. I am absolutely deceased.
Speaker 3: That the one time you really don't need a tearstake
Speaker 3: is if you could make some sort of blocking choice
Speaker 3: where when you cry, you fall into the other person
Speaker 3: and never separate so that the camera can catch me.
Speaker 1: It's all bullshit, correct, correct, But he did it brilliantly,
Speaker 1: and you could hear him sobbing in Carrie's mic, you know,
Speaker 1: because usually our microphones are like on our chests somewhere,
Speaker 1: and the sound was beautiful. That is so funny, beautiful.
Speaker 3: We cut you in the present moment where Edison proposes
Speaker 3: to Olivia, Yo, what are you saying about?
Speaker 1: You can't take no for an answer? Like get the
Speaker 1: fuck out of here? Ready? Bye?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: God? So true? Tho her like what are you still
Speaker 1: doing around? And he has her to marry him, like
Speaker 1: read the room, dude, feel that she's.
Speaker 3: Like and also when was the last time you guys boned?
Speaker 3: Like I feel like your relationship is a fucking nightmare.
Speaker 3: And this is the starting point.
Speaker 2: We just doesn't.
Speaker 3: Bad, it's very bad. And he proposes, saying to her
Speaker 3: like I know you. I'm the only one that gets you.
Speaker 3: And then she says what does she say?
Speaker 1: We don't. We don't get an answer.
Speaker 2: We do not get an answer.
Speaker 3: But what we do get an answer about, and how
Speaker 3: the episode ends is we get an We get the
Speaker 3: answer that Olivia decides yes, break the election, and she's
Speaker 3: around the table in the private Grant plane and.
Speaker 1: She's wreck and she's emotionally that she's saying yes.
Speaker 3: Believable, and they the way it's shot, it's so beautiful.
Speaker 3: They cut to like Cyrus's, they cut to Hollis just
Speaker 3: made the call, like he's he picks up the phone,
Speaker 3: obviously calling Jesse played by the wonderful Adam Spiro, but
Speaker 3: the sexy, wonderful, greatest gift to my life Adam Shapiro,
Speaker 3: and he calls him and says it's a go, and
Speaker 3: then they cut to the goons, every goon's face, Mellie, Cyrus, Hollis, Verna,
Speaker 3: and then alb and Olivia just cries and puts her
Speaker 3: hands over her mouth and she's just like, m I've
Speaker 3: signed a deal with the devil, I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And this is early on in Scandal, so it's
Speaker 1: it's one of the first times, right that you think,
Speaker 1: oh man, nothing is as it seems right. Like she's
Speaker 1: supposed to be the one that's wearing the white hat,
Speaker 1: the one that's supposed to fix everything and be you know,
Speaker 1: moral compass, the good yes, and here she is agreeing
Speaker 1: to rig the election. Like that's that's like that's other level,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah level do that yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. The fun fact.
Speaker 3: This is the third flashback episode of season two and
Speaker 3: the fourth flashback episode all overall.
Speaker 2: So like, oh, this is.
Speaker 3: Episode eleven, and we did we did seven in the
Speaker 3: first so already eighteen episodes and four of them have
Speaker 3: been flashback episodes. So like that became a real thing
Speaker 3: that that scandal did, you know, like like play with
Speaker 3: time and sort of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go back and forth like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do we have any tweet tweet tweet to tweet
Speaker 3: tweet tweets at.
Speaker 1: The time tweets?
Speaker 5: We got some tweet to tweet tweets.
Speaker 1: These tweets were some of my favorites. Yes, And some
Speaker 1: of them don't even have to do with the show.
Speaker 1: And that's why I love them, because they're just crazy
Speaker 1: and so good.
Speaker 3: Like the middle of season two is when people started
Speaker 3: to give a shit about this show.
Speaker 1: They were like, this is my jam, Like, this is
Speaker 1: my show. I got to watch it every week.
Speaker 3: Yes, so I think we can see it in the
Speaker 3: tweet tweet tweet tweet tweets at the time time because
Speaker 3: they're getting crazier and crazier and and so, what are.
Speaker 2: Some of your favorite tweets at the time?
Speaker 1: Gee yo, One of my one of my favorites is uh,
Speaker 1: Tricia at Tricia Matthew says, I'm pretty sure I just
Speaker 1: saw Edison in a sialis ad. I guess things would
Speaker 1: Olivia are really over hashtag scandal.
Speaker 2: Wait, what's the alice again?
Speaker 1: Is like a rectile dysfunction, like pill, like.
Speaker 3: Right down, da, that's fucking hilarious. They're like, this dude
Speaker 3: needs a job.
Speaker 1: He's out, Yeah, he's out. He's in this commercial. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Some one at Alpha dre Bt tweeted, the President's wife
Speaker 1: is a nasty bitch hashtag scandal.
Speaker 3: So good at Goddess Tings says, the motherfucking cable went out. Mom,
Speaker 3: she's about to spaz if she don't see scandal.
Speaker 1: Oh shitar her mother. This girl's mother said, the motherfucking
Speaker 1: cable went out because she was about to watch the show,
Speaker 1: and now she's flipping out.
Speaker 3: And this was the time where like this was appointment viewing.
Speaker 3: Like streaming has made it so people just really watch
Speaker 3: entire series in their own time and place, But at
Speaker 3: this point, people were showing up Thursdays to see this show.
Speaker 3: So Fridays, if you went into work and didn't know
Speaker 3: the plot of Scandal, someone was gonna blow it. Yes,
Speaker 3: So your motherfucking cable going out was a problem.
Speaker 1: That's a big deal. Let's see. Dave the Gauge tweeted
Speaker 1: just heard subways foot longs are eleven inches in some locations.
Speaker 1: Hashtag scandal, hashtag protest, hashtag boycott subway my favorite also
Speaker 1: because it has nothing to do with our show, but
Speaker 1: also how much do Katie and I love subway sandwiches?
Speaker 1: But our sandwich choices are very specific, Like I love
Speaker 1: a veggie delight on whole week with extra vinegar, all
Speaker 1: the vegetables, cheese, a ton of holopenos, yellow peppers, hot.
Speaker 2: Sauce is watering.
Speaker 1: I love, yes, Katie, what is yours? Yours is?
Speaker 2: I like a foot long on Italian white.
Speaker 3: I like extra provolone cheese, I like it toasted, and
Speaker 3: then I like extra extra lettuce, extra olives, extra banana peppers,
Speaker 3: extra halapanos, extra vinegar, extra olive oil, extra.
Speaker 2: Salt and pepper.
Speaker 3: And it's just a fucking cheese lettuce bread.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm gonna go grab that shit after we finished taping.
Speaker 3: YO, love a veggie delight and I love I don't
Speaker 3: know what mine's called. I got introduced to it in
Speaker 3: high school by some vegetarian, and I wasn't really vegetaring,
Speaker 3: but I loved it, but wait, Okay, thank you everybody
Speaker 3: for listening to the scandal rewatch. Thank you guys unpacking
Speaker 3: the toolbox. We can't wait to hear more and talk more.
Speaker 3: Next week's episode is called Truth or Consequences. I can't
Speaker 3: remember what it's about. Do you remember what it's about?
Speaker 2: And I do not?
Speaker 1: Okay to twelve?
Speaker 3: Right to twelve Truth or Consequences. We may or may
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Speaker 2: And I'm at KTQ Low's at Instagram. What are you
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Speaker 1: G Geirmo diaz Yo, Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love I forgot you were at Garmo Diaz Yo.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But no one's on Twitter anymore. Like I don't
Speaker 1: see you on Twitter anymore. Like everybody's like, we're taking
Speaker 1: a break from Twitter, which I want.
Speaker 3: It became a little bit of a cesspool during the
Speaker 3: Trump era. We know these tweet The tweeting was a
Speaker 3: much classier bag.
Speaker 2: During the sand in the day. Correct, but we love
Speaker 2: you all. Come along for the ride.
Speaker 3: So much more scandal to talk about, so many more
Speaker 3: people to talk to. We love you, Gladiators, og and
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Speaker 3: Vince de Johnny, with music by Chad Fisher.
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