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Speaker 1: What's Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. We Rolling, OK,

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Speaker 1: let's do this.

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Speaker 2: Supremo.

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Speaker 1: Roll Come Supremo.

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Speaker 2: Supremo, Roll call, Supremo, sup Supremo, Roll Supremo.

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Speaker 1: Suck Supremo. Someone up there loves me theme of the show. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because how we pulled this up off? Yeah, I will

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Speaker 1: never know.

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Speaker 2: Supremo Supremo, Role Supremo Supremo.

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Speaker 3: My name is Fante.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I'm trying not to shout yeah because my inner thirteen

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Speaker 5: year old it's freaking out.

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Speaker 2: Supremo, Roll Supremo, Supremo.

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Speaker 1: My name is Sugar. Yeah, my wraps are tasty, so

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Speaker 1: lunch is served.

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Speaker 6: And Tracy, I'm unpaid Billy, believe it or not.

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Speaker 1: Now we know who shot Tupac.

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Speaker 7: Supriv Yeah, just living out dreams. Tracy and Shawnee. I

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Speaker 7: don't even know what this means.

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Speaker 1: Supprivo roll call.

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Speaker 8: My name is Shanese. I love to smile. I'm sitting here,

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Speaker 8: don't know how.

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Speaker 2: Supprivov Supremo.

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Speaker 9: Role. My name is Rath. I like to begin.

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Speaker 8: I don't know what I'm doing. Yeah, but.

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Speaker 2: Suppriva so Suppriva Supremo.

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Speaker 10: Suppre Okay, Look everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone, this is what

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Speaker 10: we're gonna do.

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Speaker 1: This is what we're gonna do. I want everyone to

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Speaker 1: in hell ex heal in hell, and we all got

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Speaker 1: COVID again. Okay, okay, So a funny thing happened on

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Speaker 1: my way to the forums. Yeah. So occasionally I will

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Speaker 1: put out an A P B or where are they

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Speaker 1: now for some of my favorites throughout the years on

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Speaker 1: social media, and nine times out of ten, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's tumbleweeds and no responses or whatever, especially in the

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Speaker 1: case of one of our guests. And I got so

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Speaker 1: used to the dead silence on the whereabouts that you know,

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Speaker 1: I just gave up after a decade or so. Enter

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Speaker 1: friend of the show, Shauna, Are you here?

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Speaker 8: Hello?

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Speaker 1: All right? So she provided probably this year's equivalent of

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Speaker 1: Manna from Heaven, in which she said, a mirror, your

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Speaker 1: prayers have been answered. So let's fast forward to where

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Speaker 1: we are right now. Both of our guests I didn't

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Speaker 1: even know were friends with each other, and they also

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Speaker 1: happen to have overlapping journeys in life. Both in decades ago,

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Speaker 1: they were standout acts on a show called Star Search.

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Speaker 1: You know if you know the voice or if you

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Speaker 1: know America Knight whatever it's you know, Star Search was

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Speaker 1: you know when that was our show and basically parlayed

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Speaker 1: their talents into at a very young age, into record

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Speaker 1: deal and hits and whatnot and yes, of course can

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Speaker 1: you dance? Ain't gonna have step in? Symptoms of true love?

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Speaker 1: This house tend to kisses, Yes, I could name them all.

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Speaker 1: I love your smile whatever. I've been a major, major,

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Speaker 1: major fan of this is royalty of both these queens

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Speaker 1: for the longest we all have been. And for some reason,

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Speaker 1: occasionally seem on a soul train or b T you whatever.

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Speaker 1: And even having despite the fact that I've worked with

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Speaker 1: one of them, I've realized that until this very moment,

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Speaker 1: I've never met them. Yes, it's it's possible to be

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Speaker 1: on someone's record and not having met them anyway, it's

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Speaker 1: taking me three decades to say, nice to meet you.

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Speaker 1: Shanice Wilson and Tracy Spencer. Welcome to Quest of Supremes. Wow,

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Speaker 1: So where the heck you been? First of all, how

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Speaker 1: are you guys today, how are we?

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Speaker 8: We are on on cloud nine. We're like floating. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: this is like we're excited. It just seems like unreal.

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Speaker 9: And emotional roller coaster.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. I keep saying I'm gonna cry. She's like, I'm

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Speaker 7: Like y'all are fresh off of popular talk show. I

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Speaker 7: know we can't say where you just came from, but like,

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a lot so.

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Speaker 9: A lot really fast.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm just really excited. I've been looking for Tracy

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Speaker 8: for the past what how many years? Twenty maybe like

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Speaker 8: twenty years. I tweeted a picture of us with Santa.

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Speaker 8: and I posted that on my Twitter and I said,

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Speaker 1: You too?

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Speaker 8: I said, I'm looking for Tracy Spencer and nobody could

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Speaker 8: find her for like year. My kids were babies, they're

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Speaker 8: a few months ago, we found Tracy Spencer.

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Speaker 1: Is there an extra?

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Speaker 8: Shawna said, I found Tracy Spencer. I'm like, really, she's

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Speaker 8: on Instagram like she is, So that's how we.

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Speaker 9: Reconnected following people on Instagram.

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Speaker 8: She had this page. It didn't even look like it

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Speaker 1: Were all right, So let me just give a little backstory, Shauna.

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Speaker 1: So is it mengtel or Manga ta mangata?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 1: So you know super executive management? Like okay, So what

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Speaker 1: is your role in life?

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Speaker 8: Like?

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Speaker 1: I know that for years you've worked for Michael Jackson

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Speaker 1: as his personal assistant during the Dangerous period, and you

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Speaker 1: assisted us in getting Howard Hewitt on the show and whatnot.

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Speaker 1: So you know, you and I have been friends forever.

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Speaker 1: You've been an actor, like you've been connected in acting

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Speaker 1: seen that didn't even realize. So how did you know?

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Speaker 1: How did you find Tracy?

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Speaker 11: Well, when I was working with Michael Jackson, I actually

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Speaker 11: worked for his manager, Sandy Gallan. So I've been in

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Speaker 11: music management all my career and after leaving Michael's management company,

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Speaker 11: I went to work for quadri Ellamine at Southpot Entertainment

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Speaker 11: and he said, I want you to work with Tracy Spencer.

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Speaker 11: And this was in nineteen ninety eight. So I was

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Speaker 11: brought in to work specifically with Tracy on her last

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Speaker 11: to now, Tracy reaches out to me on Instagram. I

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Speaker 1: Did you know that we were looking for you everybody?

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Speaker 1: Why would you do that to us?

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Speaker 12: I didn't do.

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Speaker 9: It like to hurt anyone's feeling, but.

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Speaker 1: It also proves me that one kid disappeared. We want

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Speaker 1: to live off the grid and hang out with me.

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Speaker 1: Daylight Secret Tracy Spencer. Okay, like, let's have it. Where

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Speaker 1: the hell have you been?

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Speaker 12: People going to be mad?

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Speaker 9: She's absolutely right. There's gonna be a lot of very

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Speaker 12: Yeah, you are your appreciative, but please.

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Speaker 1: We can stand here five or six times.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, let's see.

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Speaker 4: After the Tracy album. Well, even before the Tracy album,

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Speaker 4: the Capitol was going through so many different changes, Like

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Speaker 4: at one point they got rid of the Black Music

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Speaker 4: Department and kept me and wanted me to represent.

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Speaker 9: Black radio radio. Yeah everybody.

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Speaker 4: I mean it was literally like a ghost town on

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Speaker 9: So I remember I'd go down and be like, wow,

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Speaker 9: the lights are out, like this is so weird.

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Speaker 4: And I was like seventeen eighteen years old then, And

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Speaker 9: I spent some time in New York.

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Speaker 4: Both of those records got shelved, but I did notice

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Speaker 4: that some stuff has been leaked on YouTube and someone's

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Speaker 9: A mixtape for like two g's.

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Speaker 4: Of some some Tracy Spencer unreleased music.

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Speaker 1: It's yeah, yeah, like you would have brought that too.

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Speaker 4: When once I got with Quadri, you know, he was

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Speaker 4: be all good. Let's do another record. That's when Roy

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Speaker 4: Soul Shock and Carlin and said, I think they would

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Speaker 9: I'm not like having panic attacks, Like what am I

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Speaker 4: And she was like, I always told you when you're

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Speaker 9: Like she's like, come home.

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Speaker 4: So I went home for a little bit, being in

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Speaker 4: the country, home, playing with Iowa.

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Speaker 3: Oh oh wow, that's how you disappeared.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and I do agreed recently that i was now

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Speaker 1: Oh so, I'm just there's another fun fact that I

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Speaker 1: know about Iowa that I don't think is very appropriate.

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Speaker 1: Dementium right now, But this is the amount of black

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Speaker 1: women that I know from Iowa, all in the industry right, No,

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Speaker 1: just in Iowa period, Robin Thedi Okay, So thus I

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Speaker 1: know a comedian, a singer, and the we'll just say

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Speaker 12: I thought you were going to say that. The people like, what.

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Speaker 1: Is what is it? What city in Iowa for starters?

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Speaker 1: What city in Iowa is this? And that's turning out

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Speaker 1: these artistic base women. Yeah, like I don't know, but

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Speaker 1: something about it's something about the state of Iowa that is, like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, just turns out mysterious alluring women that

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Speaker 12: Somebody get them out of.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, Steve.

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Speaker 5: What was it like growing up in Iowa?

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Speaker 9: Lots of corn I really just want to see where

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Speaker 13: Seef, he's gonna get himself out of it.

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Speaker 9: Yes, there's lots of corn. There is corn in my.

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Speaker 1: I felt you were gonna go in deep cut and

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Speaker 8: I got to sing on three of his records, some

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Speaker 1: No, I'm talking about somewhere. Jimmy Champs just hit me off, like, wait,

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Speaker 8: Flex? He did play Michael. But I just want to

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Speaker 8: The makeup was terrible, the hair was terrible. Like, I

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Speaker 1: Flex.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember do you remember the songs that you sang?

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Speaker 3: Backron Michael.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, keep the Faith. It's a song that And after

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Speaker 3: Okay, gotcha.

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Speaker 1: What's up? Do you remember your first musical memory, like

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Speaker 4: My dad was he had two bars that he opened

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Speaker 4: And my dad was like, wow, like she really likes

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Speaker 3: What do you mean?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she's very adamant about and that is the energy

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Speaker 1: Like you have a kid. I'm just letting you know, like.

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Speaker 9: Oh wait, so now what's your sign cancer?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Cap?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, saying yeah, I'm with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that'scy Spencer. Do we know that that for a

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Speaker 1: fact right now? That happened once with you remember Reddad

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Speaker 3: Like because who else is going to do that?

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Speaker 1: Right open? Mark?

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Speaker 1: But he, like me, he would like go to night

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Speaker 1: Way fly. Now that is random. At what point? Well,

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Speaker 9: Or like, yeah, my.

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Speaker 1: He used to do interviews with you on like B.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, But he taught himself out to play the piano,

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Speaker 1: Was there ever like a thought of like you guys

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Speaker 9: Play I play the guitar.

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Speaker 4: Your My dad met this guy named Stan Plusser who

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Speaker 1: Yeah, whoa, Okay, I'm reading Steve Martin's book right now

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Speaker 9: So which is crazy wow.

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Speaker 4: And so Stan ended up seeing my dad perform with

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Speaker 4: And he's like she's ten. Wait, she's ten, but she

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Speaker 9: The public life prariy in Cedar Falls.

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Speaker 8: I know, but I like that.

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Speaker 1: Like you can't say I with a straight face. That's

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00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: there's all these cities and townships in Iowa. It's the

447
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: whole state. Yeah, anytime you're saying I feel like there's

448
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: a glisten, I see that, all right, all right, Oh

449
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 1: my god. I don't know if you know there's cities

450
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: in Iowa, but it's just like one state. That's it.

451
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: Everybody from say the city again, God, Theedar Falls anytime you're.

452
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 9: Love that.

453
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Speaker 4: And so so I asked the public Library Cedar Falls

454
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Speaker 4: if I could use their basement to shoot a video,

455
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 4: and they're like, okay, whatever. So I got some people

456
00:26:55,240 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 4: from the local news news station to come shoot.

457
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: Was connected.

458
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 9: That was my dad, my dad, Like everybody knew my dad.

459
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 1: For half a second, I was.

460
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 4: Like, wait, are you like yeah, yeah, Like, Daddy, can

461
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 4: we get this person?

462
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 9: He's like, I'll make a call, and he'd make a call,

463
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 9: and then it was that easy.

464
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 4: People were excited because they were like, what You're going

465
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 4: to try and get on Star Search?

466
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 9: Like that's cool, we want to be a part of it.

467
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 4: So I recorded a demo, but the only tracks I

468
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 4: could find that had no lead vocals.

469
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 9: Was do Me Baby by Melissam Morgan.

470
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: Songs like.

471
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 3: And what was the other record?

472
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: Do Baby?

473
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 9: How will I know? Whitney used to I.

474
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 12: Don't even want to hear you sing do Me Baby,

475
00:27:59,520 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 12: that's weird.

476
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: Get as a baby as.

477
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 9: A baby, oh yeah, And then the third song was

478
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 9: missing You Dinah.

479
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 3: Ross okay, wow, okay, okay.

480
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 4: So I called all my friends from like school and

481
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 4: some cousins and they sat on the floor and watched

482
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 4: me do like this performance and they were like dancing,

483
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 4: and we sent that video into Star Search and that's

484
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 4: how I got.

485
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: Onto How long was it before you got the call?

486
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 9: Like three months later?

487
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: Okay? And now what is your journey to Star Search?

488
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 8: I auditioned for Star Search. I think I went into

489
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 8: a room and had to sing and do like a

490
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 8: full audition and I can't remember how quickly they called

491
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 8: back because it was so long ago. I was eleven

492
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 8: at the time.

493
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: But okay, can you walk us through because I always

494
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: wanted to know like the step by step process of

495
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,239
Speaker 1: like do you show up? Are there other kids? Are

496
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: they are?

497
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 3: Like?

498
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, there were backstage, There were backstage moms. Yeah, there

499
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 8: were kids backstage, you know, warming up. Like you said,

500
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 8: my mom is a singer also, so everything I did

501
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 8: on Star Search, my mom coached me, like she was like, Okay,

502
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 8: put your arms, she said at the end, put your

503
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 8: arms up in the air like Diana Ross, and then

504
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 8: look him in the eyes on this part, and then

505
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 8: walk on this party. And so when backstage I wanted

506
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 8: to play with the kids, and my mom was like,

507
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 8: you know what you're gonna do. It's like she was

508
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 8: literally like biting her nails. She was so scared. And

509
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 8: I was like, Mom, I got this, I'm fine, I

510
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 8: got it. And then I went out there and I

511
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 8: remembered everything she taught me and and I won.

512
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: Were there any in your experiences backstage? Were there any

513
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: notable uh figures that we might know now that we're

514
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: also at.

515
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 12: Least we remember Tracy the model that would win.

516
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 14: Like yeah, yeah.

517
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 8: Right, yeah, I remember. I remember her not on my episode,

518
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 8: but I know there's I mean there's the justin Timberlakes

519
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 8: and the everybody. He was on there with the girl

520
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 8: that I.

521
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 9: Was competing against.

522
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 4: She was five, and she was the girl who played

523
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 4: Curly Sue.

524
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Speaker 1: Yo. You want to know something. She is a crazy

525
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: hip hop head, like forgetting you played Curly.

526
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 4: Suit recently or like a couple of seasons ago or

527
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 4: before COVID she was on the voice.

528
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: She's doing something active. I think I'm accidentally following her

529
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: whatever the like. She's like we connected for some other reason.

530
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: And then I looked back and I was like, wait,

531
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: this is Curly Sue. And then she's like, yeah, all

532
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: the college, you know, it's all the Roots. And I'm

533
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: just trying to put in my head to that person,

534
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: like I knew who the Roots was. But you know,

535
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: she was a vege.

536
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 8: You know, I have a guess shout out to Tasha

537
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 8: Scott because she was the girl that I was up

538
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 8: against on Star Search and she's she ended up being

539
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 8: a really big actress. She did uh. She was in

540
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 8: the TV show sou South Central with Lorenz Tate yeah,

541
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 8: so yeah, Tasha Scott. Shout out to Tasha Scott so

542
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 8: she was on my episode.

543
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: How nerve wracking is the experience of star search as

544
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: you're doing it and waiting to be judged on the

545
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: line and all those things, like, especially at that young

546
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: of an age.

547
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 8: I remember for me, for some reason, I think I

548
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 8: just kind of blocked it out, Like, but I remember backstage,

549
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 8: I would hear kids cry, like if they didn't win, right,

550
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 8: I would. I don't know if you experienced that, but

551
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 8: I saw kids crying backstage.

552
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: Would you at least get your own like room so

553
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: that you're not like after the battle's over, like, do

554
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: you also have to walk backstage together and stay in

555
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: the same room? And because I would imagine, oh.

556
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 8: Okay, I just remember a bunch of kids backstage, that's

557
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 8: all I remember.

558
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 4: My dad would tell me I couldn't play with them though,

559
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 4: like you could play with the kids.

560
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 8: Well, my mom, I was trying to play with the kids,

561
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 8: and my mom was like, get over here and work

562
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 8: on that song.

563
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

564
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 4: My dad was like, no, we don't have time for

565
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 4: that room.

566
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 10: Yeah.

567
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Was that in terms of like for you know,

568
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: like to give you more competitive.

569
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not very competitive in that sense, Like I'm

570
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 4: just like I want to sing, go.

571
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 9: Have fun, and my dad just want to play. This

572
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 9: is a different you know game here, girl.

573
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 8: My mom was focused on like coaching me. But one

574
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 8: thing I can I got to give a shout out

575
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 8: to my mom. She was never a stage mom like

576
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 8: I wanted to do it, like I was never forced.

577
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 8: Even when I got my record deal, my mom sat

578
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 8: me down. I was eleven years old. She said, are

579
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 8: you sure because you don't have to we don't have

580
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 8: to do this contract. Are you sure this is what

581
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 8: you want to do? And I'm like, this is what

582
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 8: this is my dream? So I was My mom was

583
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,959
Speaker 8: never that stage mom that like forced me. Yeah, Like

584
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 8: you know, did you.

585
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 7: Pick out your own dress on Star Search? Me and

586
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 7: Bill were just the office was so opposite. It was

587
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 7: so funny. Tracy looked.

588
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 8: That out that I'd wear that today.

589
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: Me too.

590
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 12: That's what I was like, one like.

591
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 8: A fluffy it was made. Mine was custom made.

592
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, taker bell dress.

593
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 8: I don't know what we were thinking with my dress.

594
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: And there's like, wow, look, you know what did you do?

595
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: You know what you're saying?

596
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 8: I did the greatest love of All and Somewhere of

597
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 8: the Rainbow, the Patty the Bell version.

598
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: Why can't I?

599
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's a good star song.

600
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sam Harris, Yeah, I remember that. They just got

601
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: to the jas like he kept singing it week after

602
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: week after week, and then one day he just came

603
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: out like kept just like two minutes just for that.

604
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: So how many episodes are shot? Is it week by

605
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: week or is it just like you just do a

606
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: whole bunch of episodes until bro, I don't know.

607
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 8: For me, it was like I won, I sang the

608
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 8: greatest of Ball one, and then I went back the

609
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 8: next week and one again when I did uh Somewhere

610
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 8: with the Rainbow, and then I won. That was the finals.

611
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 8: So I only did like two performances.

612
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 4: I did three against well two against just me and

613
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 4: Alison Porter. That was her name early, so Alison Porter.

614
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 4: And then we kept tying. So then they brought a

615
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 4: third person in for the semi finals. Different yet they

616
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 4: brought they could not because when they would have the

617
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 4: judges vote, it was the same, like it was even.

618
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 12: Four point five y.

619
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 4: So yeah, they brought a third girl in and then

620
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 4: I beat both of them and I was like.

621
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I remember when I won, I got to

622
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 8: say this, Ed McMahon threw he was so excited that

623
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 8: I wanted He threw the envelope up in the air, like, oh,

624
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 8: he was really happy that I won.

625
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 1: So immediately, How fast did the record deals come after

626
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: Star Search? Like, what's the path to getting the record deal?

627
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: Is it demos? First meeting a producer?

628
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 8: Then for me? Uh, I did star Search and then

629
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 8: right after Star Search, John McClain heard me and singing

630
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 8: and I was singing in a musical. He heard me sing,

631
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 8: he said, you wanted to sign me? Like immediately, I

632
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 8: sat in Herb Alpert's office and had to sing for

633
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 8: him a cappella and I sang for herb Alfred Nerve

634
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 8: and I had a deal. It was like it was

635
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 8: like that.

636
00:35:55,160 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: Okay, So we've been in existence for seven years and

637
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: one of the most elusive characters of all time is

638
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: John McClain and literally, like this this show might as

639
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: well be called six Degrees to John McClain. Literally he's

640
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: connected to everyone, but he's so elusive. He even gifted

641
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: me John Robinson's off the Wall snare like the rock

642
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: with You intro snare like I have that, But he

643
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: won't meet me, right.

644
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 8: I haven't seen John. I talked to him like the Okay,

645
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 8: the day Michael passed away, I talked to John, and

646
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 8: then after that I haven't. I haven't talked to him since.

647
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 8: Like it's hard to reach him, it's so hard to read.

648
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 8: But he reached out through email and wanted me to

649
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 8: sing on the behind the mask after Michael passed and

650
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 8: I did that and that was because of John McClain. Wow,

651
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 8: but I haven't seen him physically, seen him physically in years.

652
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: Okay, so you got to be as proxy, like what

653
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: is he like and why he's so damn mysterious.

654
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 8: Well, I haven't seen it in a long time. But

655
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 8: he for me when I was younger, he was like

656
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 8: a father figure to me. He's a great musician. He's

657
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 8: a guitarist. I don't know if you know that he

658
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 8: plays guitar. He was very, very a strict too, Like

659
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 8: he told me, like he sat me down. He says, Okay,

660
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 8: you're an artist. Now, you make sure when you go out,

661
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 8: when you walk out the door, make sure you have

662
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 8: your your clothes are together, make sure you look right.

663
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 8: You know, when you're going to the grocery store, you

664
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 8: gotta look good.

665
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love looking but.

666
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 8: No, he was.

667
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 9: He was.

668
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,479
Speaker 8: He really believed him in my project, and he really

669
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 8: believed in me. And I just wanted if John's listening,

670
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 8: I love you, I miss you, and I hope to

671
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 8: see him.

672
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, come and get your flowers on the show. Stop

673
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: avoiding us. So the way that I uh was aware

674
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: of you was actually because I was a major, major

675
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: fan of Brian Lorin. Yeah, so you know Brian. His

676
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: first single, Lollipop Love, was like a major jam in Philadelphia.

677
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: So anything that I saw with his name on it,

678
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, it must be a jam

679
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: because he did it. So I didn't know about you whatever.

680
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: And the thing that was really shocked about was Okay,

681
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: So at the time, I was I hate sound like Grandpa.

682
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: Before stream before before streaming, there was Columbia House and

683
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 1: so right, so the way that Columbia House before streaming, the.

684
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 5: Way that twelve albums for a dollar, right you get

685
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 5: they get you to or it was the original Spotify.

686
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: Yes, it was like you get fifteen joints for free.

687
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: But the hard part about Columbia House is that they

688
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: will then send you a whole bunch of other records

689
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 1: and if you don't want them, you have.

690
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 3: To send it back, but charge you for them.

691
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, sort of knowing the lazy nature of how Americans are.

692
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: Then it's like, I don't feel like mailing that back.

693
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: So pretty much between.

694
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was the scam. Basically, it's like, how

695
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 3: like when you sign up for car.

696
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 5: If you like streaming service, to give you like a

697
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 5: trial period credit card and if you don't cancel it,

698
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 5: then that was what Columbia's Okay, So the trick is

699
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 5: to sign up with a car that's gonna.

700
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: In your grandma yeah, expired like a week in your

701
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: uncle's name, and your grandma is your next door name.

702
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: So this is how like a line share of what

703
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: I know about music, Like I didn't feel like mailing

704
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: back those Debbie Gibson things. So she was troubling there like,

705
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: well you really know my music? I was like, yeah,

706
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: like I didn't feel like mailing the thing back, so

707
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, listening to what she has

708
00:39:54,440 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Yeah, So when I got it and I

709
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: saw Brian Leman say all right, let me listen to it.

710
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: But not only in my opinion, was the record adult,

711
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: but it was actually like amazingly like ass kicking, because normally,

712
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: I know, like when music comes from anyone under the

713
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: age of twenty one, they'll really try to like pander

714
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: to an artist, Like even Candy Girl feels like it's

715
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: an elementary school jam, you know what I mean, Like

716
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: not I can't imagine Lou Rawl singing to the music

717
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: of Candy Girl. Yeah, but like no half step in

718
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: and Yo, here's the funny thing. First car accident ever,

719
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 1: I think he's so cute. Just came at the top,

720
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: just came side too. So the music process of making

721
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: that first record.

722
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 8: Like how well I got to say this Before I

723
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 8: get into Brian Lawrenn, I have to mention when I

724
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 8: signed to A and M Records, the first producer I

725
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 8: worked with was Tina Marie What. I was eleven years old.

726
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 8: She wrote a song I'm gonna senditarybody because I want

727
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 8: you to hear it. It was called you Met Your Match.

728
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 8: She wrote that for me. I have I have a

729
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 8: I have it on I just downloaded, so I'll send

730
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 8: it to you guys. But I did a song with Tina,

731
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 8: Ricky Bell and Rob Trestspan from New Edition produce a

732
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 8: record on me. I did a whole album. I did

733
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 8: a whole album that didn't that was never released because

734
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 8: John wanted to change the direction. I had Dick Rudolph

735
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 8: who was there to mean repertend. He was the executive producer,

736
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 8: and I worked with Leon Ware. Wait, yeah, I have

737
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 8: all these songs that was never released. So after a

738
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 8: while my voice started to change and John said, no,

739
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 8: I want to change the direction. So he put me

740
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 8: in a studio with Brian Lawrenn and Brian Laren did

741
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 8: that the Discovery did the whole album. We did that

742
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 8: album probably in like two to three months, like it

743
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 8: didn't take us long to record. But I was super

744
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 8: I'm a shy person naturally, but I was super shy then.

745
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 8: And I just remember in the studio Brian Laurn with

746
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 8: all those ad libs and all of that stuff. Was

747
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 8: Brian Laren like he said, do this, do this, try this, run,

748
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 8: do this harmony. So I learned so much from Brian Laren.

749
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 8: But towards the end, I gotta tell you, this story

750
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 8: is hilarious. So I was really shy about ad libs

751
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 8: and I'm just learning how to record and all this stuff.

752
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 8: So he got tired of giving me all of my

753
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 8: parts and my ad libs. So I was singing a

754
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 8: song called the Way You Love Me? Right, okay, right,

755
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 8: and so I'm waiting for him to give me the

756
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 8: next part, the next ad lib and he's like, I'm

757
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 8: tired of giving you ad libs. He said, you figure

758
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 8: it out yourself, and he just let the track run

759
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 8: and walked out the door. And I was and all

760
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 8: of a sudden, at the end when I hit that

761
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 8: long note at the end, I would I hit this

762
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 8: long note, it just held it. And then that was

763
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 8: my first time at living by myself. So I was

764
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 8: super excited and Brian I did do unsung, and Brian

765
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 8: I came on. He did my unsung with me, and

766
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 8: he told me, he said, you know what I never

767
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 8: got to tell you as a kid, but I was

768
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 8: really proud of you. You know what you did on

769
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,479
Speaker 8: the Way You Loved Me. But he was very Brian

770
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 8: Levren was very very hard on me, like very hard

771
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 8: on me. When I did the whistle note on just

772
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 8: the Game, he was like, I couldn't figure out how

773
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 8: to hit the note. And he was like he pulled

774
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 8: a lot out of me that I didn't think I

775
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 8: had in me.

776
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: For you over the hours, like like what's your general

777
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 1: daily regiment for that period of making your first record?

778
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: Like where's school balance? Where's home balance?

779
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 8: Yeah? I think I was. I was still in school,

780
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 8: so I would go to school and then right after school,

781
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 8: I'd go straight to the studio and I literally I

782
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 8: watched Brian like those tracks and everything. I watched I

783
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 8: sit there and watch him write the songs and make

784
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 8: the beats. And I would be in the studio till

785
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 8: from getting out of school till like nighttime basically, and

786
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 8: I would just sit there and watch him create the songs.

787
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 8: And he played on everything like nobody there was no

788
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 8: musicians on the record, Like Brian played the guitar, the bass,

789
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 8: the everything on the record. Oh and Karen White sang

790
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 8: backgrounds on kay Dance. Really, I know a lot of

791
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 8: people don't know that.

792
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: Yes, were you two allowed at all to have a

793
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: say like I like the song, what do you think

794
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: of this song? Like does that question ever get asked

795
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: or was it like Okay, here's the chart and we're

796
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: gonna just go song for song and this is what

797
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: you're going to sing. Are you giving any leverage or agency?

798
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 8: And back then I kind of just listened to the

799
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 8: label back then. And as I got older, you know,

800
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 8: I'm like, I kind of I know, you know, I

801
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 8: started to learn who I am and what I like

802
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 8: and what I don't like, and you know, but back then, no,

803
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 8: I just I just listened.

804
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: Now in your case, now, I know at the time

805
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: when your first album comes out, you were eleven twelve,

806
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: so I know you probably can't answer this question, but

807
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: I always marvel, So yes, hide to see she was

808
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 1: that was way too grown.

809
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 12: About playing games.

810
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 8: A different time different.

811
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: The thing is that I brought this up on previous

812
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 1: episodes before. There's this amazement I have whenever an album

813
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: comes out and the first song is a balance.

814
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 12: Yeah, I thought the same thing, right.

815
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: And that's the first thing. I was like, whoa she opened,

816
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: because I would have thought like, at least Symtms of

817
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 1: True Love would be like the first song that would

818
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: red carpet us to your world. But they started with

819
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: Hide and Seek, so and yes, it was a mature

820
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: song for an eleven year old to sink. So what

821
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: was the process of you making your debut record?

822
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 4: Similar to Shanese is in the sense that right after

823
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 4: Star Search, I got phone calls from Capito CBS Records

824
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 4: at the time, and from A and M too, but

825
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 4: you were already signed and that they were like, well,

826
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 4: that's not gonna make it. Like in their mind they're like,

827
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 4: we can't have.

828
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 13: Two Toddlers record.

829
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: Is that really true? Because even like jan would have

830
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: probably ran down here to have it, because he has

831
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: his own questions, because even he said it was such

832
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: an injustice. I mean, I can't get the quote right now,

833
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: but he's like it was such an injustice because he

834
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: feels as though because of Janet's presence there, like had

835
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: you been on another label with that record, it would

836
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: have yielded way different results. But do you generally feel

837
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: does the consensus here at the table feel that that's true,

838
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: Like there can only be one person of a certain.

839
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 8: For some reason, I feel like there's room for everybody.

840
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 8: It just don't put them out at the same time.

841
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 8: But I think everybody everybody is unique in their own way.

842
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 8: But with labels, for some reason, they have a hard time,

843
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 8: like they picked one person.

844
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 12: They want to really push.

845
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 8: And then I feel like with the Discovery album, I

846
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 8: felt like I kind of got lost in the shuffle.

847
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 8: I really do, because I really did love what Brian did.

848
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 8: I really loved my first I don't know what the.

849
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: End results were was it? Was it a gold record?

850
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 8: Or uh? Can you dance? I think we're number one

851
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 8: in a billboard and everything. Uh as far as sales,

852
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 8: I don't even remember thinking went gold. I think it

853
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 8: went cold.

854
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: But at that time in your life, did you I mean,

855
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: did you have to worry with all to know?

856
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 8: Like?

857
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: Were you like obsessively looking at billboard? And did you

858
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: know what the bullet was? Did you?

859
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 8: I didn't know at first, but I started I learned

860
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 8: real fad. I just started learning.

861
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, wait, can we ask the ad lib question for

862
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 7: Tracy in the album? Because now that I know how

863
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 7: old you were, now I want to know when it

864
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 7: came to the ad libs for those songs, cause I'm

865
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 7: just seeing you in the studio singing hide and Seek.

866
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 12: Like, why are you like it? With all this but

867
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 12: not knowing that's how I used to sing it in

868
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 12: my mirror?

869
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 8: Why are you?

870
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 12: Seriously though?

871
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 7: But how do you do that as a young girl

872
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 7: singing these words and just making it sound like you

873
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 7: just know exactly what you're doing, exactly how people are

874
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 7: supposed to feel when they listen to this song, like,

875
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 7: how do you do that as a child?

876
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's interesting because yeah, when people listen to it,

877
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,959
Speaker 4: they're like, you sound like you you might know.

878
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 9: What you're talking about.

879
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 4: I had no clue what I was talking about, but

880
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 4: a lot of it had to do with my dad.

881
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 4: He would sit in the studio with me and he

882
00:48:55,080 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 4: would help me with ad libs. And the girl who

883
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 4: did the demo because the producer was.

884
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: Ali Brown, former Jackson's drummer, you know, and Jerry.

885
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, and she would sitting there and sit in the

886
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 4: booth with me as well and help me get through

887
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 4: it as well, because I mean, being in a studio

888
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 4: was a whole new territory and I was working out

889
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 4: of Ray Parker Junior's studio, and just the history behind that.

890
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: Of course, they were both Stevie Wonders disciples, so of course, yeah,

891
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: I see that connection now.

892
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 7: And then singing, imagine who decided that you were going

893
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 7: to this was the thing to sing?

894
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: A manage?

895
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 4: This is an interesting story. But I went to see

896
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 4: the movie Cry Freedom. Okay, yes, and after seeing that movie,

897
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 4: I've always been a huge Beatles fan too growing up,

898
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 4: and something about seeing that movie remembering that song, and

899
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 4: I remember into my remember saying to my manager, I said,

900
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 4: I want to remake Imagine, and he's like, Weld's Capital

901
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 4: should be easy to do.

902
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 9: They were part of the were part of Capital, and

903
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 9: so it was. It was. It was very easy to

904
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 9: get that done.

905
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,760
Speaker 4: And I recorded it at in Capitol Records, at the studio,

906
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 4: same studio.

907
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: So it slight confession time, because again I love dismantling

908
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 1: people's lord no, no, no no. I love dismantling people's thoughts

909
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: of me and being like the all knowings are of music.

910
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: But I'll admit that maybe the first time that I

911
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: completely heard Imagine was her version. I knew it was

912
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: John Lennon's, but it's not like I'm going to gravitate

913
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: to his. And you know, John was always on bet

914
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 1: and like everywhere, so brilliant. Yeah. I think most Beatles

915
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 1: songs have come to me through black people first, and.

916
00:50:49,800 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 14: Then yeah, I'm sorry, that's John.

917
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's okay.

918
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. So was was Ali the sole producer of the

919
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: first record or did you work with multiple producers.

920
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 9: I worked with a couple other producers. Do not ask

921
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 9: me who they were at this point.

922
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: One of them yes, Wayne, that's.

923
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 4: The name of the and are the album okay?

924
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 12: Yeah?

925
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 4: But Ali Brown was brought into to help kind of

926
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 4: shape and mold the album and create the sound to

927
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 4: what they were looking for because at first they really

928
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 4: didn't know. They were saying, let's, you know, dress her

929
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 4: up and make her into like a mini Diana Ross.

930
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 4: And as much as I'm going Diana Ross.

931
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 9: I'd love to be done. And then my dad was like,

932
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 9: I don't get it, Like, how is that going to work?

933
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 4: And to put her in gowns and have you know,

934
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 4: eleven year old prancing around singing loves and so they

935
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 4: were like, okay, that's.

936
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 8: Not going to work.

937
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 9: They just didn't really know what to do.

938
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: There was no precedent for any of you, because I mean,

939
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: by eighty six eighty seven, you know, I mean we

940
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: had a new addition, like someone young, but really, who

941
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: are you guys looking up to as far as like

942
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 1: your age proximity? Janet maybe, but even that, she's like twenty,

943
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: so she like an adult.

944
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 8: She was definitely running the industry then, definitely, but.

945
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: To YouTube she seemed like an adult correct, like in

946
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,280
Speaker 1: our eyes, Yeah, we still had like Penny and Penny

947
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: grew up a little bit and yeah, whatever, but.

948
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 8: The addition that was good, Like I was a huge

949
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 8: addition fan.

950
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 9: Yeah.

951
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 4: Otherwise, yeah, I was listening to the Beatles, or I

952
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 4: was listening to Whitney and yeah Whitney or three or.

953
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 8: Some Yes, yeah we were listening to grown ups.

954
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 12: Yeah we were sounded like.

955
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: So can you talk about the process, because I mean

956
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: both both these albums made impacts and splashes. Can you

957
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: talk about the process of like what it was like

958
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: promoting and especially like at the time when I do

959
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: know that like between Debbie Gibson and Tiffany there was

960
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: like mall activity and learning learning alternative at all.

961
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 8: I never did a mall toy, did you ever do?

962
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 8: I wait, wait, hold up, I'll take that back. I've

963
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 8: done some all but I never did like a full toy.

964
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 8: But I've done some parents and I've done some mall stuff.

965
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

966
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:32,959
Speaker 7: Those were weird.

967
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 8: Yeah, I can't say I enjoyed them, no, but I

968
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 8: enjoyed it because I love seeing all the people, Like

969
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 8: I love seeing a crowd, and you know, people were

970
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 8: singing my songs, and so I always I always enjoy

971
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 8: whether that be at the mall or you know, in

972
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 8: a theater. I just always loved seeing people.

973
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: So what was your mall experiences?

974
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 12: Like weird?

975
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 4: Actually, the first song I ever sang at a mall,

976
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 4: this is gonna be very very weird, was the Rainbow Connection.

977
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 9: But I did have Kermit with me.

978
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 7: I did.

979
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: That's cool. I love this person, the founder, all right.

980
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: So Bill Shermon right here. Uh, you know, in addition

981
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: to his illustrious credits as part of the team that

982
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: brought you Hamilton and and and the Heights and other things.

983
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: But you know, Bill Shermon is basically the the Joe

984
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: When I say the Joe ripos of Sesame Street. Uh,

985
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:43,720
Speaker 1: he all things music right now, like he runs Sesame Street.

986
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: So and I just learned I'm talking about me. Move on,

987
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: you know what. I just taking flowers Bill.

988
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 8: I just did the Sesame Street did a reboot called

989
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 8: the Megabuilders.

990
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: I heard this today. Yeah, you guys know this.

991
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 7: I did it.

992
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: I don't work on that particular thing, but it is

993
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 1: great and you sound I did listen to it today. Sound,

994
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: thank you.

995
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 8: So that was excited with.

996
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 6: It's a cartoon with Elmo Abbey and Cookie Monster where

997
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 6: they're they're they're like Superheroes superes.

998
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: And the last and another episode is se Sime Street

999
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: thinking about pivoting off of the formula that we know.

1000
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: I didn't.

1001
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 6: Oh well, I mean they just do like side other

1002
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 6: shows and a lot of more animated stuff.

1003
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 8: So this is just another it's animated.

1004
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 3: It's really cool.

1005
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: And you sound great songs, good sound great. Thank you

1006
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: people apar So okay, so you saying Rainbow Connection at

1007
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: the mall?

1008
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 6: I did nice at the all.

1009
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 9: That's the thing. It was my own personal kerment.

1010
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,760
Speaker 12: Oh no, no, you didn't say that. Okay, that's definitely.

1011
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: Yes.

1012
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 12: Did do you know?

1013
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 7: I do?

1014
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 12: Not personally?

1015
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: But I okay, let's so. Can can you tell us

1016
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: what it was like working with na on your sophomore record?

1017
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 8: Oh my goodness. Working with Narda was the best. He

1018
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 8: did the whole entire album. Uh. The first day I

1019
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 8: met him, he said, write down a bunch of titles, like,

1020
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 8: just just come up with some titles off the top

1021
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 8: of your head. And I came. I came up with

1022
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 8: every title on the album except Silent Prayer. He had

1023
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 8: Silent Prayer already written with John Johnny, he had that

1024
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 8: already wtten. All of the titles Oh yeah, Yeah, he's very, very,

1025
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 8: very gentle and kind. But vocally like he pulled a

1026
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 8: lot out of me. All the songs were like in

1027
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 8: like a high range. I remember saying, Nay, can we

1028
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,959
Speaker 8: bring the key down just a little bit. He says, no, you.

1029
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: Can do it, you can do it, so he pushes.

1030
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 8: He really pushed me.

1031
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: I was going to say for him to work with

1032
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: because he works with powerhouse singers like.

1033
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 4: With me.

1034
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: But he's so gentle that I can't imagine, Like in

1035
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: Luther's memoir, Luther talks about like does he have a kind.

1036
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 8: Of No, he was very yeah, like he pulled a

1037
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 8: lout of me. But like you said, he was very

1038
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 8: like kind and gentle and and in the studio there

1039
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 8: was candles everywhere, so it was like the environment was

1040
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 8: just really just calm and relaxing. So and then I'm

1041
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 8: a teenager and it just I don't know, it just

1042
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 8: it was great. I have no complaints. Every song that

1043
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 8: we did I just fell in love with. Like every

1044
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 8: song we recorded ended up on the album. There wasn't

1045
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 8: a song that we recorded that didn't make it, Like

1046
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 8: did I.

1047
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: Love your Smile? Was that the last thing you guys.

1048
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 8: Made I think that was Tours. I think it was

1049
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 8: Toys the end. It wasn't the last song, but it

1050
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 8: was towards the end.

1051
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: Yes, and it's always the last thing recorded.

1052
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 8: I got to say this about I Love Your Smile.

1053
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 8: I came up with the title because people say I

1054
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 8: smile all the time, they say always. Really, I came

1055
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 8: up with the title. I helped. I co wrote the

1056
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 8: song with him and his team. But I didn't think

1057
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 8: it was the right first single.

1058
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: You think it was. You didn't know the song.

1059
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,439
Speaker 8: No, I did it. I because at the time, I'm

1060
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 8: gonna be honest, I listened to a lot of hip hop,

1061
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 8: like I love rap, and I just felt like it's

1062
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 8: not hard enough, like it's too soft, it's too it's

1063
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 8: too happy, it's too you know. I said, people are

1064
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 8: gonna laugh at me and think I'm corny. And and

1065
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 8: so I remember sitting in Joe Busby's office and he

1066
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 8: told me I Love Your Smile is going to be

1067
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 8: the first single, and I said, no, it should be

1068
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 8: side in prayer with Johnny Gil don't put out I

1069
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 8: Love your Smile. And he says, I'm not changing it.

1070
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 8: It's I Love your Smile. And I remember crying. I

1071
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 8: was in his office crying because I thought it was

1072
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 8: the wrong first single. I was like, no, people are

1073
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 8: gonna love and because I've done and everything I wanted to,

1074
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 8: I wanted to be low key. I was a rapper

1075
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 8: in my head and so I wanted to rap. And

1076
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 8: I was like, but this rap doesn't sound hard, like

1077
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 8: empty Light and.

1078
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: Pepa, who are you looking at? At the time, I was.

1079
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 8: Like, this is what I wanted to be. Empty Light,

1080
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 8: so wow, the Salt Pepper, Queen Latifa, and as I

1081
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 8: got a little older, Little Kim like, no, that sounds crazy.

1082
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 8: I told Little Kim that I was a big fan

1083
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 8: and she was like, oh my gosh, you listened to

1084
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 8: my music. I'm like, yes, I love your music, so

1085
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 8: I'm a big hip hop fan.

1086
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, there's something there's something about that

1087
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: song that I don't know how to accurately describe earth

1088
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: Wind and Fires music, inters like, there's something so joyous.

1089
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: And what I specifically remember about the release of that

1090
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: song was that song came right when the Desert Storm

1091
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: war was happening.

1092
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 8: That's why I wanted Silent Prayer first because of the war.

1093
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: But what you don't know is. Yeah, it was. That

1094
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: was such a dark time, like.

1095
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 5: Barbenheimer right, exactly, such a dark time, but because the song,

1096
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 5: it was a joyous song. But I never I mean,

1097
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 5: I was God twelve I think when it came out.

1098
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 5: But but nah, man, that record it was. I was

1099
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 5: a huge hip hop fan as well, but that was

1100
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 5: always a song that it never it was joyous.

1101
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 3: But we never thought.

1102
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 5: It was corny, like we were.

1103
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: It to be hard. You just accepted you need a

1104
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 1: balance and that's the thing. And I understand what you mean,

1105
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: Like some artists don't like again, this is it's showing

1106
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: joy in that level of ability, like people think like

1107
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: you're weak or whatever, like come on, but that song,

1108
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: that song like was necessary. And even though like I'm

1109
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: at the time when what ninety one? Yeah yeah, I

1110
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: was like twenty, so not like I consider it my

1111
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: part of the psychographic like that your age. But even

1112
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, this song makes me ask.

1113
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 8: I'm so glad I could make people happy with.

1114
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: That song and it still works today.

1115
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 8: Yeah. Wait, I gotta say this. I went online and

1116
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 8: Snoop Dogg was on Instagram singing I love your smile,

1117
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 8: and I was thinking back, like wow, I thought people

1118
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 8: were going to think I was corny and the hardest

1119
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 8: of the hardest Snoop Dogg is sitting there singing, I

1120
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 8: love your smile, and then Chris Brown thanks.

1121
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 4: Oh.

1122
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 8: I decided, oh my gosh, thank.

1123
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 12: You Chris, about a reinventtion of a song. What did

1124
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 12: you think when you first heard that?

1125
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 8: I loved it? What happened was I'm going to tell

1126
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 8: you how this happened. So Bill Bellamy called Flex and said,

1127
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 8: Chris Brown is trying to reach you in Shyese. And

1128
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 8: he was like, in Flex, said the singer Chris, and

1129
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 8: Bill Bellamy said, Noah, the preacher. You know they're comedians.

1130
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 8: So they so he gave gave us a Chris's number,

1131
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 8: and Chris just wanted to get my approval before the label,

1132
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 8: you know, had to clear it and all that. He

1133
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 8: wanted me to hear it first, to see if I

1134
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 8: approved it first and if I liked it, And they

1135
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 8: sent me the song. I loved it, and I'm like, yes,

1136
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 8: please do it.

1137
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 7: I carried that feeling, that joy feeling that was kind

1138
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 7: of crazy everybody between him and Beyonce, what they did

1139
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 7: to those two songs, like the Frankie Bever was a

1140
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 7: beautiful rebi.

1141
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 12: I just wanted to know the do do?

1142
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: Was that?

1143
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 12: Do do do?

1144
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: Do do?

1145
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 12: Was that on paper? Or was that just like, oh,

1146
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 12: I'm feeling this.

1147
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 8: We wanted to have like a catchy like we wanted

1148
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 8: to have something where like whatever language you speak, you know,

1149
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 8: you could sing along to it. So anybody could sing that,

1150
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 8: whether you're you speak Spanish, French, whatever. So that's where

1151
01:02:58,400 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 8: that camera.

1152
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 12: And why brand for Marcella's because that just felt.

1153
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 8: Well, you know what, I'm gonna be honest with you.

1154
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 8: Brandford Marcella's played on the song, and he played on

1155
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 8: it before I recorded, so I didn't get to work

1156
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 8: with brand for Marcello's. I still haven't even met Brandford Marcella.

1157
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 8: I promise you wait.

1158
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: Do we ask Branford about that? On his he teaches.

1159
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 5: Uh at my alma Model, North Colina Central and Durham. Okay,

1160
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 5: so he's still there.

1161
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 3: We had him on the joke a while, But.

1162
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 8: You want to talk to him. I would love to

1163
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 8: talk to him. We have a record together. We didn't

1164
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 8: even like, we've never been on stage together.

1165
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 7: It's possible, Yeah, exactly.

1166
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 1: There's a question I've been dying to ask Okay, so

1167
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: climbing what I call Mount Minnie is a task. Why

1168
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: what was the process of making remaking Loving You for

1169
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: your album?

1170
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 8: You know, I was in the studio just playing around

1171
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 8: and Narda heard me just singing Loving You off the

1172
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 8: top of my head, and he was like, we got

1173
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 8: to do that, We have to do that. So I

1174
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 8: called Dick Rudolph and you know, he co wrote it,

1175
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 8: so he gave me the approval to do it, and

1176
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 8: we did it. And I love that song so much

1177
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 8: that I recorded twice. So I put out an independent

1178
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 8: project called every Woman Dreams in like two thousand and six, okay,

1179
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 8: and I put Loving You on it again because I

1180
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 8: love it. I love it so much.

1181
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: The process of you doing the Make the Difference record,

1182
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: what was different than the first time around? Besides obviously

1183
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: you being a little bit older and whatnot. Was there

1184
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: discussion on like where to go creatively or any of

1185
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: those things?

1186
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 4: And around time I even got to work with Narda

1187
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 4: Michael Walden too, And yes, because when I went to

1188
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,959
Speaker 4: his studio and he had the Maryland Rode pictures, yeah

1189
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 4: he did of you.

1190
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 9: And yes love that picture.

1191
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, And we never put those out.

1192
01:04:58,920 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 9: Knowing they're gorgeous.

1193
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 4: He had those at the studio and I went to

1194
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 4: meet with him just to like explore and try to

1195
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 4: come up with some ideas. And at the at that time,

1196
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 4: I had gotten approach to do a song for Super

1197
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 4: Mario Brothers.

1198
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 9: And I had just gone.

1199
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 3: Through okay, just like.

1200
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 4: Not for the video game, but for the first movie.

1201
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 1: This guy doing.

1202
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 4: No and so he wrote a song specifically for that,

1203
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 4: And I had just gotten out of I had just

1204
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 4: gotten out of a relationship, so I was like a

1205
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 4: little girl having.

1206
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 9: Issues.

1207
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: So anyway, yeah, I totally forgot to ask, like what

1208
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 1: are your lives into at this point, and like because

1209
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: your celebrities and I'm certain that you're protected by family

1210
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: and whatnot and brothers and all that stuff. So and

1211
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: there's no cell phone, so you tell me back then.

1212
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 8: When we had kids, For me, my grandmother was my

1213
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 8: tour manager.

1214
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: Sheltered. My grandmother toured the world.

1215
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 8: She came with me to Japan, Europe and all those countries,

1216
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 8: and and my grandmother we shared a room together. I

1217
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 8: stay in the same room with my grandma. So yeah,

1218
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 8: I was very sheltered, which I'm glad because now that

1219
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 8: I'm older and I have kids too now, so I

1220
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 8: hear all the horror stories about how people can take

1221
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 8: advantage and all that stuff. So I'm glad that my

1222
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 8: family was there. But I remember being frustrated because I

1223
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 8: was like, I'm eighteen now, like can I have my

1224
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 8: own hotel room? I sleep in my own room. So

1225
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 8: I was very well protected, and I'm so glad I

1226
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 8: had my grandmother, my mom. My mom would travel with me,

1227
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 8: or my grandmother would travel with me.

1228
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: What's your social circle like at this point, like in

1229
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: terms of like friends, and like.

1230
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 8: I don't know, you want to answer, was that for

1231
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 8: her and me or both?

1232
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 4: My circle over time has gotten real small, and that's

1233
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 4: by choice, you know, either people grow with you or

1234
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:33,919
Speaker 4: they grow away from you.

1235
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 9: And also.

1236
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 4: I don't have like a ton of industry friends. That

1237
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 4: was never really my thing.

1238
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 9: I have a lot of like regular people.

1239
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 1: You weren't hanging just kermit.

1240
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 4: I mean at the time, Like, yeah, when I was younger,

1241
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 4: most of my friends were industry because.

1242
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 9: That was my life.

1243
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 4: I was on the road all the time, and I

1244
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 4: went to Catholic school. But I didn't really get along

1245
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 4: with many of I didn't see them enough. I was

1246
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 4: just like this figure that kind of walked in in

1247
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 4: her plaid skirts.

1248
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 12: And walked right back out.

1249
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 9: They're like, who is she?

1250
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 8: You know?

1251
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 4: It was very weird, a weird time. So I didn't

1252
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 4: have any friends, and.

1253
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 8: My friends I actually have the same I have the

1254
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 8: same friends since second grade and some of my friends

1255
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,719
Speaker 8: still since still yeah, since high school and second grade.

1256
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 8: So when I find a good friend, I hold on too,

1257
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 8: like the real ones, you know. And and that's why Tracy.

1258
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 8: I never looked at her as an industry friend. Like

1259
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 8: I used to go and spend a night at her

1260
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 8: house and everything, like.

1261
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, what did you two first meet?

1262
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 8: We can't remember how we met. We just notice.

1263
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 4: But we It was weird because, yeah, our personalities are

1264
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 4: kind of similar. It's like we do compliment each other

1265
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 4: with our personalities that when we are When we were together,

1266
01:08:58,120 --> 01:08:58,719
Speaker 4: we didn't.

1267
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 9: Really even talk about industry industry.

1268
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,719
Speaker 8: We never talked about music or anything. We just laughed

1269
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 8: and hung out.

1270
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: Were your parents because I also know that some families

1271
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 1: will be like that's the competition, like no, no, no, But.

1272
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 8: My family, my family wasn't like that. But they could

1273
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 8: pick up on energy and if somebody wasn't cool, they'd

1274
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 8: say I don't know, the energy is not cool, but

1275
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 8: they never They've always loved Tracy. It was never issue

1276
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 8: with Tracy, but with a lot of there's a lot

1277
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 8: of industry people that my mom would go, oh no, no, no.

1278
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 9: We're not going to throw people. There are a lot

1279
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 9: of industry people that were not very.

1280
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 8: Kind, not very not very nice.

1281
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 9: They didn't really like us, with.

1282
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 12: Bad impressions too for y'all because y'all were like untouched.

1283
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, no new addition, hangout and at the time, do

1284
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 8: you remember there's a question when you were signed to

1285
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 8: Capitol when you do interviews. They had first of all,

1286
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 8: they had someone to coach me to teach me how

1287
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 8: to do an interview because I'm very shy. I would

1288
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 8: give like yes and no answers and stuff like that.

1289
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 8: So they taught me that if you're in a relationship,

1290
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 8: you couldn't you had to lie about it. Yes, I

1291
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 8: had to lie like I had like a boy like

1292
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 8: if I had a boyfriend back then, I had to say,

1293
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 8: you couldn't. You couldn't say it in an interview they

1294
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 8: want because yeah, they said, well, boys, you're going to

1295
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 8: lose your matle fans if you have a boyfriends. I

1296
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 8: remember I did a lot of lion.

1297
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:33,719
Speaker 1: But you know how especially in times where like where

1298
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:37,680
Speaker 1: where zoom is not a thing, where the internet, like

1299
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 1: long distance is a real thing to Chang Chi Chin

1300
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 1: Chi ching? Was it also a lonely existence like being

1301
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 1: a goldfish in terms of like, you know, you're a

1302
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: product and you want to take time out and I

1303
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 1: want to go to this concert or I want to

1304
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 1: see that movie, or I want to hang what do

1305
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 1: you guys doing? We're going to the birthday party?

1306
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 3: Like?

1307
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 1: Was there ever those situations where it's just like you're

1308
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 1: living a life that most of your friends don't get

1309
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 1: to experience.

1310
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 4: That was hard because I liked sports and I ran

1311
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 4: track and I played basketball, and that stuff kind of

1312
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 4: got taken away from me.

1313
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:15,639
Speaker 3: What was your track do you remember?

1314
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 8: I don't remember.

1315
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 9: I was good at I was really good at the

1316
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:21,799
Speaker 9: one hundred meter dash. I'm very fast.

1317
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm very fast, probably not an athletic.

1318
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:31,719
Speaker 5: It's like one hundred meters, run as fast as you can,

1319
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 5: and yeah, the winner is the across project.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so if you weren't singing, you would have probably.

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Speaker 9: Been a track star. No, no, not at all. No

1322
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 9: for me, growing, growing, up. It was either singing or

1323
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 9: wanting to be a doctor, like I always had.

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01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 12: What we heard you went to do?

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01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 2: Right?

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01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 12: That was a rumor. It was like Tracy Spencer. I

1327
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 12: heard she was a veterinarian song.

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01:11:55,400 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 9: Okay, taking care of your pet?

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01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 7: No.

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01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 4: I am in medical school though, but okay, yeah, what

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01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 4: year are you?

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01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:12,599
Speaker 1: You're going to be doctor Spencer?

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01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 9: Not a doctor. I'll end up being a p A

1334
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 9: though that's the goal position.

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Speaker 3: You can write scripts though you didn't write, and you

1336
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 3: can write scripts? Yeah, so what do you need something?

1337
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 3: I lived a lot of life.

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01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 9: I really don't want to.

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01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 3: Really far are you into completion?

1340
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 9: Like?

1341
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 4: How much the program I'm in right now will be

1342
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 4: done by the summer. I have to do an externship

1343
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 4: and I think I'm going to do it in a

1344
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 4: surgical tech so it's like people who go in for

1345
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 4: surgeries and do pre ops and post ops and yeah.

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01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 7: So I guess this means you won't be doing any

1347
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 7: Tracy Spencer shows because you know, you just had a

1348
01:12:55,840 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 7: whole resurgence and you're doing I'm figuring that out. I

1349
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 7: think I thought it would be a Tracy Spencer shawnees.

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01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 4: We can tour and then I can do likees in

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01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 4: the back, or we can I can give.

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01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 9: You an IVY for hydration.

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01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:14,679
Speaker 8: Exactly, dude.

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01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:18,759
Speaker 1: We just all of the tour, we just dripping away

1355
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 1: flavor drips, fruity pebble drips. It was amazing diabetes, but

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01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 1: it was in my life. I didn't I never knew

1357
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,679
Speaker 1: there were so many flavors of drip ivy drips.

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01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 12: I didn't it in your body.

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01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 14: I'm sorry, I've never done it, but it is a

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01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:40,879
Speaker 14: real Yeah.

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01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,679
Speaker 1: It's like you feeling in your taste buds and everything.

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01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 8: Like I don't know about fruity pebble I never had.

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01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 7: I don't think that doctors, but it feels but it's sweet.

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01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it tastes sweet like fruity pebbles, and it gives

1365
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 1: you energy. I guess so, because the tour.

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01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 9: Does not.

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01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 5: I would have asked you my favorite record of yours

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01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 5: of all time. It's for you. Thank you, Michael Angelo

1369
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 5: from Portrait Record. You guys worked together anymore?

1370
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 8: No, it was myself, Michael Angelo and Eric from Portrait.

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01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 8: The three of us wrote it together and it was

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01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:34,600
Speaker 8: for the Media Man soundtrack. And I just spoke to

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01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 8: Michael Angelo actually recently. He just redid the track, So

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01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 8: we're going to re release it. I'm going to re

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01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 8: sing it and put it back out because they've the

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01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 8: labeled that it's not you can't stream it anywhere. So

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01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 8: I said, well, we might also just re recorded put

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01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 8: it back out. That that's actually that's actually one of

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01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 8: my favorite songs too. That was It was fun to

1380
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 8: work with them and I think they did an amazing

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01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 8: job on that.

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01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, damn man, many more questions and I know we

1383
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,599
Speaker 1: got like mere minisan.

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01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 8: I do want to say to say one thing. I'm

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01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,879
Speaker 8: in a musical called forty four and I'm playing Mistyell Obama.

1386
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 8: Oh wow, So I want everybody everybody go to the

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01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 8: Bourbon Room. Go to forty four Obama Musical dot com

1388
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 8: or get your tickets. It starts October eleventh to November eighteenth,

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01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 8: and it's at the Bourbon Room in La in LA

1390
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:24,480
Speaker 8: and Hollywood, California.

1391
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:25,639
Speaker 1: So how did this coming out?

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01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 8: So Carrie Gordy Berry, Gordy's son Kerrie, Yes, Carry reached

1393
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 8: out to me.

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01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: Does the word apollo mean anything to you? Yeah? Okay,

1395
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 1: I love There's nothing I love more than scaring Carrie

1396
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 1: or Benny Medina or any other member of that group Apollo.

1397
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 8: Just oh, I thought you met this.

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01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, y'all know about the Apollo No, in seventy

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01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 1: eight all those guys, which which is weird because it's

1400
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:59,600
Speaker 1: even connected to McLean. Like, there's this a period in

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01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: the Lates Evan, these early eighties in which the first

1402
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 1: generation of teenage black Hollywood Cravitz's the Gordys Medina. Yes,

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01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 1: they were like formed a group. Okay, you know, and

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01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,639
Speaker 1: you won't. I will say you have the episode.

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01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 8: And also I have a I have a vegan lipstick

1406
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 8: line Vegan. Yes, what you're wearing right now, I'm wearing

1407
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,759
Speaker 8: it right now. It's called Smile by Shinese. So please

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01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 8: see goes around dot com.

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01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 7: Is your reality show stream anywhere? Because I remember that

1410
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 7: was a whole er.

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01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's I mean you can find on YouTube. I

1412
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 8: think it's on Open war Free's on Bones website. I

1413
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 8: think if you go to the website you can find

1414
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 8: like old episodes. And but yeah, we had a reality

1415
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 8: show for three seasons on.

1416
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 3: I want to also Kids Incorporated.

1417
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 5: One of one of my favorite singers that you're friends with, Patterson,

1418
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 5: that was I.

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01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 1: Just reached out yesterday.

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01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 8: No, he is in New York.

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01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:12,560
Speaker 1: He's in New York.

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01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's on him.

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01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 3: It was I mean this has been probably like this

1424
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 3: is overten.

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01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 8: We want kids in corporate. I was the keyboard player

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01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 8: and the dancer in the background.

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01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 1: Kids. What year was your eighty four? I think, oh,

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01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 1: damn okay, I was why I didn't realize that you

1429
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 1: were okay? All right? So as we rap, what does

1430
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: the future hold? Because they just can't stop at this, like,

1431
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 1: what is your no pressure?

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01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 12: No, no, no, well, I mean combination is overwhelm.

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01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 8: I mean, I would love for us to do a

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01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 8: song together, definitely, like tour, tour together, some music together.

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01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 8: That's that's what I would love.

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01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 5: Tracy, in the midst of your doctor pursuits, do you

1437
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 5: you want to do music anymore?

1438
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 3: Do you still have desire to create?

1439
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 7: Oh?

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01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 4: I do the going to going back to school. It's just,

1441
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 4: you know, we all have other things that we're interested in.

1442
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:21,480
Speaker 4: And I mean I have a degree in psychology.

1443
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 9: I did all these because I just I like learning.

1444
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 4: I'm very passionate about learning.

1445
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 1: Because I feel like she's the modest type off.

1446
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 11: Yeah, the degree in psychology. She's currently in school and

1447
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 11: making it all work. She was at a talk show,

1448
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 11: but she's doing homework, Like this morning she went to

1449
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 11: Starbucks to do her homework.

1450
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 9: So she's making it.

1451
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 12: Children your wife too.

1452
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 4: No, I am not a wife. I have no children.

1453
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 4: I have a cat named.

1454
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 9: Georgia to keep them away.

1455
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 12: Yeah, some people you want to keep.

1456
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 1: That's like, oh, that's what's up.

1457
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 12: No strings, no strings.

1458
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 9: Yeah, So if it happens, it happens. But it's not

1459
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:36,519
Speaker 9: like that's all right on the weekends and shows. You know, Yes,

1460
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 9: you've grown ups. I mean, here's another important thing though, too.

1461
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 4: I A lot of what's happened in the past several

1462
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:46,640
Speaker 4: years too, was my father passed from leukemia and I

1463
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 4: helped take care of him. My mom passed in twenty

1464
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 4: twenty one, right before Thanksgiving. She had lung cancer, and.

1465
01:19:55,920 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 9: I helped take care of her. I yeah, so part

1466
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 9: of that.

1467
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:03,840
Speaker 4: Also one of her things was she was like, you know,

1468
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 4: go back and finish school, but also do music. So

1469
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:11,839
Speaker 4: for all this stuff to happen the way it's been happening,

1470
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 4: I just feel.

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01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 9: Like, you know, I'm a very spiritual person.

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01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we talk about it that they're up there

1473
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 4: orchestrating all this.

1474
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 9: I fear that they brought it.

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01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 11: I think they helped bring us all together and we

1476
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 11: did that jam session what three Dyes?

1477
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 1: And did this happen in your house?

1478
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 11: My living room?

1479
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 9: Party? Like it was just right.

1480
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 11: Chinese over to my apartment to say goodbye to Tracy

1481
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 11: because she was going back to Iowa.

1482
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 9: And that very day.

1483
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 11: Eld Barge called me in the morning and was like, hey,

1484
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 11: what are you doing this evening? And I said, well,

1485
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:51,919
Speaker 11: come to think of it, Tracy Spencer and Shinese Wilson

1486
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:55,639
Speaker 11: are coming over and he said, he said, what time

1487
01:20:55,680 --> 01:21:00,719
Speaker 11: do you want me to be there? Bringing show at

1488
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 11: my front door with his keyboard, keybooked it across town,

1489
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 11: Like he.

1490
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 8: Went over with his keyboard.

1491
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 12: What did y'all sing? What was the song?

1492
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 13: Every day?

1493
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 1: When he was just sea.

1494
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 11: It was, I mean, all of us felt like it

1495
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 11: was surreal.

1496
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 8: It was a dream.

1497
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 11: Even l couldn't believe it, and we all cried throughout

1498
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 11: the night. He was sitting there in my living room

1499
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 11: playing his keyboard for like three hours.

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01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was That's what sparked me, like, wait, can

1501
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 1: we get them on the show because exactly we've been

1502
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 1: looking for you forever and looking for just to give

1503
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,040
Speaker 1: both of your flowers.

1504
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 12: Manse, but thanks.

1505
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 7: He wasn't looking for Shaw because she was savinge Cod

1506
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 7: like you her husband.

1507
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I really think it's important to just y'all because y'all,

1508
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 5: you know, we've seen so many you know, child singers,

1509
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 5: child actors that get into this game really young, and you.

1510
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 1: Know, and don't get out. They don't make it out.

1511
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,919
Speaker 5: So just to see y'all sitting here today just still beautiful,

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01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:09,600
Speaker 5: still healthy, like still driving like that really is a

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01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 5: blessing and I'm happy to be with you all today

1514
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 5: for real.

1515
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 1: Now it's Africa for the forty two hour clap SOI childhood. Yeah,

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01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 1: this is an epic episode that will go down in

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01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 1: the record books. And I thank you for this. I've

1518
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 1: been waiting for. Thank you so much. Is there anyone

1519
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 1: else that you.

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01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 11: Have maybe I could.

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01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:36,680
Speaker 1: Do you Unclean?

1522
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:39,719
Speaker 9: I can't reach out to Possible.

1523
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 8: I know, I got to reach out to him.

1524
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just yeah, we can get John McLean is

1525
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:46,720
Speaker 1: like he treats us like the matrix like.

1526
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1527
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 1: So man, this is amazing episode to be present. Yes,

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01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:58,480
Speaker 1: you guys, this is beautiful. So when we have a

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01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 1: a little sugar Steve and uh Shna, thank you very

1530
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 1: much and I'm paid Bill and Laiah Sonny's and Tracy Spencer.

1531
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming out of hiding this question.

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01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 5: I We'll see you in twenty forty three.

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01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 9: I'll be going back and hiding.

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01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 1: Thank you. We'll see you next week and next around.

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01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 1: Quest Love Sprien Right. Thank you for listening to Quest

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Speaker 1: Love Supreme, hosted by Amir quest Love, Thompson, Why You,

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Speaker 1: Saint Clair, Sponte, Coleman Sugar, Steve Mandel, and unpaid Bill Sherman.

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Speaker 1: The executive producers are Amarra quest Love, Thompson, Seanch and

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Speaker 1: Brian Calhoun. Produced by Brittany Benjamin Cousin, Jake Payne, Eliah

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Speaker 1: Saint Clair, edited by Alex Conroy. Produced by iHeart by

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Speaker 1: Noel Brown and Mike Johnson. Audio engineering by Graham Gibson

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Speaker 1: at iHeart La Studio. What's Love Supreme is a production

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Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.