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Speaker 2: other the fires out. He just looks at me and

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Speaker 2: he says, everything's gone. He had two go bags with them,

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Speaker 2: like emergency bags, right, just with essential stuff. Both of

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Speaker 2: he said, for a second he didn't think he was

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Speaker 1: So he's very lucky.

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Speaker 3: From the seventh to the twenty first, we had over

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Speaker 3: two hundred and forty new people signing up on that

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Speaker 3: mailing list, which is thrilling. If we now have that

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Speaker 3: many more people who are going to get an email

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Speaker 3: from us, how do we create as much of an

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Speaker 3: opportunity for folks to actually engage and be on site

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Speaker 3: and meet their neighbors and see the big picture of

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Speaker 3: what is happening in why Sila exists.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to me House. I'm your host, Theo Henderson.

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Speaker 4: This episode will touch on many things, but here's what

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Speaker 4: I like you to pay particular attention to educate, liberate,

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Speaker 4: and motivate. We will revisit these ideas throughout the episode,

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Speaker 4: but first Unhoused News. I will open up this episode

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Speaker 4: of Unhoused News with a quote from Tony Morrison. The

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Speaker 4: function of freedom is to free someone else. Today's freedom

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Speaker 4: message is threefold. Educate, liberate, and motivate. Let's explore this

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Speaker 4: median house. Unhoused News aim was to educate the unhoused

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Speaker 4: community of the hostile house people. Violent law enforcement, and

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Speaker 4: cruel city leaders attempt to demonize and criminalize the unhoused community. Oftentimes,

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Speaker 4: as unhouse people, we are besieged at every turn, legal

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Speaker 4: and illegal to make their existence harder. A false veneer

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Speaker 4: of concern and subtle gas lighting brings up the rear

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Speaker 4: of solving houselessness from sight. My personal experiences with this

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Speaker 4: strategy leads to despair, self eviction, sometimes self medication, and

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Speaker 4: ultimately self harm. To give a medium for the young

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Speaker 4: house to be aware of draconian policies and sweep such

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Speaker 4: as the upcoming sweep of journalist Ruth Lesser, to elicit

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Speaker 4: aid in defense of their home, bear in mind. Mayor

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Speaker 4: Karen Bass continues sweeping the un housed community. During the

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Speaker 4: unprecedented fires in Los Angeles. Newly displaced members from the

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Speaker 4: fires need a North Star resource to free themselves as well.

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Speaker 4: Consider for a moment quote from the late Audrey Lord

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Speaker 4: that says, your silence will not protect you once you

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Speaker 4: have the first part down in your journey. Un House

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Speaker 4: news is the set of blaze under the young house community.

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Speaker 4: This portion of our message is deliberation portion. It's true

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Speaker 4: that not every unhoused person will create a podcast living

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Speaker 4: on the street such as I. But it is also

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Speaker 4: true that the unhoused community can be of service in

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Speaker 4: other ways, such as showing up to mutual aid events,

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Speaker 4: to volunteer, speak at city hall on their lived experience,

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Speaker 4: organize with their community on housing.

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Speaker 1: And sweep demands.

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Speaker 4: The last quote I will use from rodor Lord is

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Speaker 4: in our world, divide and conquer must become define and empower.

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Speaker 1: At last we come to motivation.

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Speaker 4: I would like to add two parts, self motivation and

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Speaker 4: community motor The fact of the matter is that this

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Speaker 4: is the most difficult of the three. How do you

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Speaker 4: stay self motivated when the chaos of the world doesn't

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Speaker 4: Truth and justice is everywhere, and a lack of empathy

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Speaker 4: seems to throb and bleed all over our society. When

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Speaker 4: it comes to the unhoused, the propaganda machine is relentless

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Speaker 4: and blaming the vulnerable. Like a steamroller, it rolls all

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Speaker 4: over our society. However, Doctor King reminds us that true

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Speaker 4: the presence of justice. Thus it is important to remember

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Speaker 4: Kyamie win Gerls. Welcome back to Weedy and Howse. I'm

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Speaker 4: THEO Henderson. Earlier in this episode I introduced the theme

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Speaker 4: of educate, liberate, and motivate. There is no better example

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Speaker 4: We need to have that conversation repeatedly and so we

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Speaker 4: Kayemi Webner and Kaimue Webner is an attorney himself, but

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Speaker 4: he deals with immigration rights.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 5: I deal with tenant rights well. I defend low income

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Speaker 4: We're going to get back to that because I would

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Speaker 4: what it was to get Kat fir Kat, what are

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Speaker 4: sure that do your rights is known?

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Speaker 1: And third, what is no your.

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Speaker 6: Rights well, yeah, thanks THEO. And I feel like this

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Speaker 6: I have had for many years, because, you know, for

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Speaker 6: law that made it illegal basically to be unhoused. The

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Speaker 6: cruel and unusual punishment to essentially criminalize someone for being unhoused.

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Speaker 6: And so after that Supreme Court decision, many cities and

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Speaker 6: counties have thought, well, we have impunity now to just

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Speaker 6: still do have rights. Unhoused people do have rights, have many,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for succinctly speaking on it.

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Speaker 4: One follow up question to that, It's also a conundrum

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Speaker 4: for Los Angeles like forty one eighteen, how those things

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Speaker 4: realities where unhoused people may need some help, A way

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Speaker 4: to have someone's I almost say the mouthpiece, but a

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Speaker 4: And three, how can we provide that kind of security

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a great point. And I think whenever we

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Speaker 6: speaking back to an officer can be a privilege, right,

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Speaker 6: And if you are in custody and they're questioning you,

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Speaker 4: Excellent succinctly put Kimi you're next. You mentioned a few

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Speaker 5: Sure? So, broadly speaking, eviction cases are civil cases, so

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Speaker 4: Have you noticed, because you're deeply entrenched in have you

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Speaker 4: Which brings one last question, and then if I jump

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Speaker 5: So, Yeah, Historically three ninety six has not been enforced

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Speaker 4: Oh thank you, we'll be right back after a quick

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Speaker 4: break with Calf and Kaymi. Welcome back. This is THEO

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Speaker 4: Henderson with WII and House. Let's return to the riveteen

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Speaker 4: the things that I like that about annoy your Rights

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Speaker 4: is that this is something that's accessible for everyone. What

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Speaker 4: ACLU has to be able to hold on to the

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Speaker 1: Can you explain that a little bit?

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Speaker 6: Sure? Yeah, that is a powerful you know, documenting and

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Speaker 6: If you are documenting, you want to make sure to

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Speaker 6: Focus you're filming on the law enforcement when you're out there.

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Speaker 6: There's also, you know, I know in LA there's different

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Speaker 4: I noticed that I don't see often disability lawyers because

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Speaker 6: Yes, that's a great point THEO, and that's a great

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Speaker 4: Well, said Kayimi, I have a question for you. And

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Speaker 5: that there are folks who were sitting in their comfortable

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Speaker 5: and that is relatedly forcing them to realize that everyone

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Speaker 5: So I think like that's to the extent I don't

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Speaker 5: Anytime that there's a disaster, there are landlords who are

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Speaker 5: sued in eviction court seven times. I mean we've defeated

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Speaker 5: the future, this is not anything official. I think there's

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Speaker 5: be like, well, John Tennant, Jane Tennant, who happened to

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Speaker 5: be long term rent control. I need to add more

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Speaker 5: under substantial renovation. And well, I guess I just happened

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Speaker 5: to kick out a long term rent control tenant and

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Speaker 5: can triple the rent now, so I'm expecting to see

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Speaker 5: bad faith attempts to evict using the fires as an excuse.

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Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, I didn't think about it that quay.

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, I think we've got the gist of what

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Speaker 4: Kat Okay, I please up in and set me straight.

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Speaker 6: I don't think so. I think the only just to

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Speaker 6: kind of put a bow on it for Kaimi, you know,

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Speaker 6: the for the tenants, like if there are people who've

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Speaker 6: been impacted by the fires, you know, go to Stay

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Speaker 6: Housed la dot org because then you can get legal support,

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Speaker 6: legal help. And for folks who are expressing their rights,

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Speaker 6: you know, just remember that you never have to talk

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Speaker 6: to the cops. Never answer their questions. Don't talk to

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Speaker 6: the cops. I am I am exercising my right to

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Speaker 6: silence officer when others.

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Speaker 5: Super pick thing which is deadlines are super fast in

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Speaker 5: eviction court. If you are sued with an eviction case,

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Speaker 5: you have ten days to respond before the court can

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Speaker 5: default you. So people set aside, Oh I don't want

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Speaker 5: to deal with this piece of paper or get to

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Speaker 5: it next week. Don't do that. Go to Stay House

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Speaker 5: LA right away. Get that legal response in right away

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Speaker 5: so you don't get defaulted. A lot of people's rights

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, you've educated me as well on these things,

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Speaker 4: and I appreciate it, and I know my listeners are

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Speaker 4: as well. Thank you all, Kayimi and Cap for taking

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Speaker 4: the time to explain to us and introduce ourselves again.

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Speaker 4: And they said, okay, if I ask you guys again

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Speaker 4: to come onto the show to keep us abreast on

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Speaker 4: what's going on and maybe you know new things, you

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Speaker 4: are going to jump out of.

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Speaker 6: The woodwork always yep.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you again to Kaf and Kayimi for graciously talking

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Speaker 4: meet in the light of understanding. Whedian House is a

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Speaker 4: production of iHeartRadio. It is written, posted, and created by

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