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Speaker 1: around you here are yeah around here? Yeah yeah, it's fire, dude,

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Speaker 1: that's fire, right, Ladies and gentlemen, I am wearing the onesie.

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Speaker 1: I have the prototype on. Come here, come here, case

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Speaker 1: just case you want to see my moose knuckle. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: show show showcasing your moose knuckle. Basy look, Oh my way,

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Speaker 1: let me get Donald, Let me get Donald on it?

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Speaker 1: Oh your frozen? Oh you you pulled it up. You

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Speaker 1: pulled it tight. It's so tiny. You seen it. You've

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Speaker 1: definitely seen my peeple. But but I'm okay with it. Hey, Donald,

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Speaker 1: I'm okay too. Is that sound nice? Is that weird?

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Speaker 1: Is that weird? Now we've we've known each other a

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Speaker 1: Hey do you like this onesie? How sexy is this?

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Speaker 1: I love that onesie? It looks a little smaller on.

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Speaker 1: I know, I gotta tell you, I'm gonna I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: I am a six foot in male and this is

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Speaker 1: a large, and I'm experiencing both moose knuckle and weggie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, put on, let me get this straight. Get ahead, girl,

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Speaker 1: moose knuckle yeah and WEGGI yeah. Now I'm worried our fans.

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Speaker 1: medium to me. And if you nowadays, the extra largest

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Speaker 1: do because I've been doing some online clothes shopping. That's

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Speaker 1: They'll be like, the model is six one and wearing

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Speaker 1: I gotta stay real quick. I just realized, well you

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Speaker 1: I'm a grower, not a shower. Donald I, I'm very

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Speaker 1: stop talking about your winning. Sorry, deb, deb Sorry, We're

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Speaker 1: But it's a grower. It's you know, like George in

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Speaker 1: At first? You know, I don't know. At first, it's

423
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Speaker 1: some show that you're working on, and then when it

424
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Speaker 1: becomes popular, all of a sudden, are you Fonzie at work? Yeah?

425
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 1: Were you Fronzie? Were you Fonzi at work? John? Did

426
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: you hit kgs and things and the things? Correct? Jo?

427
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: Did you wear did you wear a Scrubs merch down

428
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: the halls? We'll be right back. Wait, we're gonna hold

429
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: that answer and we'll be right back right after this. Okay,

430
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: and we're all right, John? Did you did people think

431
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: you were cool? Or did you hide it from your peers? Well?

432
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: I have to say in the beginning, you know, as

433
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: a as a fellow, there's so much work to be

434
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,719
Speaker 1: done at the hospital, and every time I'd run we're

435
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 1: on out of there, I'd be like, hey, dude, could

436
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: you like cover this for me? Could you do that?

437
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: And so it started to be a little bit onerous

438
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,479
Speaker 1: on my my co fellows. But then once they realized

439
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: what was happening, they were they were definitely into it.

440
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 1: And I had a great band of brothers as as

441
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: a fellow and you know, eventually they'd be like, all right,

442
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: we why don't you tell them about this patient? And

443
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: why don't you tell them about my this? And my

444
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: dad and I used to be this, So yeah, it

445
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 1: became it became a fun thing. Are you the one

446
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: who told Bill about the ass box? About all the

447
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: stuff that the hospitals pull out of people's asses because

448
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: they just like to put things in their assess the

449
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: human things. I think, I think that that every everyone

450
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: who has gone through medical training has has had that

451
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: patient with something. What's the weirdest thing to pull out

452
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: of someone's ass? Why it's okay, John, be honest, what

453
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: have you pulled out of assholes? Well? I, I mean,

454
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to make make fun of make fun

455
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: of it. There was someone who came in saying, you know,

456
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: there's a beer bottle in my you know, got a

457
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: beer bottle got stuck? Can you get it out? And um,

458
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: this this I don't want to say this because people

459
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: might get like a like a forty ouncer. Everyone was

460
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: looking at the X ray and they were they were

461
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: betting on what kind of beer it was gonna be. When, guys,

462
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: this is a public service announcement. We have we have

463
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: we have a cardiac surgeon here, a very very very

464
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: smart man. Do not put things that aren't supposed to

465
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: go in your ass in your ass? Are there anything,

466
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: well you can you can put dildos, you know, things

467
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: that are meant a lot of things that can go

468
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: on your bottle. There's butt plugs and did bottle is

469
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 1: one of them? Stick with John? Is it safe to

470
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: say stick with penises? But plugs and dildos, you know

471
00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: as a cardiac and anal beats and anto beats. Yeah,

472
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: any sex approved approved sex toys and penises. But other

473
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: than that might maybe not maybe not a beer bottle. Yeah. Um.

474
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: One of the best lines in Scrubs history when when

475
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: Cox sees a light bulb in someone's ass and he says,

476
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: either this guy has a light bulb of his ass

477
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: or as Colon has a great idea. Um, John, I

478
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: wanted to tell you, though I don't know if you

479
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know this that the the AMA has

480
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: come out instead Of all the medical shows, Scrubs was

481
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: the most accurate and that must that must make you back.

482
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: You gotta feel good about that. Yeah, I have definitely

483
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: heard that from from people. And you know, I work

484
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: in Oswald has a huge number of physicians and training.

485
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: Uh and um. You know, as as people come through

486
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: to interview and I'll walk it down the hall, I

487
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: will hear people say, oh, that's the guy, that's the

488
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: guy from Scrubs, and over and over they will say,

489
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: this is what what why I wanted to go to

490
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: medical school because of this show. This is so accurate.

491
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: I've experienced every one of those things, and I think

492
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: the accuracy was most the most the thing that was

493
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: most accurate was the feeling of of of what was

494
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: going on, the emotional anxiety, the emotional roller coaster that

495
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: the residence that you guys were portraying was really the

496
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: thing that was the most real. Yeah. But but but

497
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: you know, people are always amazed because you know, there's

498
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: a lot of the medical shows are dramas, whereas we

499
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: were about as silly as a comedy could be. But

500
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: Bill's commitment, and I imagine it came from you as well,

501
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: was that when you play the medicine. I wanted all

502
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: to be real. I wanted to be straight, and so

503
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: we can go and have a crazy fantasy where you know,

504
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: the crazy shit you can imagine is happening. But when

505
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: we come back, the medicine itself is all played real

506
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: and straight. Yeah right, yeah, not necessarily, not necessarily the

507
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: circumstances of how the medicine is given, but the medicine

508
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: is always going to be on point. We're not going

509
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: to tell you a lie on you know, this would

510
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: work or this wouldn't work with you know what I mean.

511
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: Like even with the spinal where the guy got injured

512
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: with his spine and everything like that, and they were

513
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: doing the ice and not fusing the spine, but was

514
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: it water and freezing the spine? Was that what they

515
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: were doing right? And stuff like that. That was an

516
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: experimental thing at the time, and we had to get

517
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: that right because it was something that was that you

518
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: couldn't you can't, you can't be like and this is

519
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: how you healed somebody with a broken back if if

520
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,239
Speaker 1: there wasn't something out there, And I feel like you

521
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: made sure every time it was like that. Yeah, And

522
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: that was a really weird way to get there. But yeah,

523
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,479
Speaker 1: even more than that, I think I think back of

524
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: maybe the episode where all three of the main characters

525
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: or four main characters, sorry, I just belt, you know.

526
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: I want to keep that belt because I want to

527
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: know the reason I'm going to keep it is I

528
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: want everyone to know that even cardiac U. So uh

529
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: you know the episode where where all four of the

530
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: main characters have have someone who dies. Um that in

531
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: a comedy was the most dramatic and heartfelt episode on

532
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: on TV. Your experience, Zach with the the elderly woman

533
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: who chooses to die like that is a huge truth

534
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: in in medicine, people choose to die and it's heartbreaking

535
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: and heart wrenching for you as a physician who gets

536
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: to know them, and maybe you don't necessarily agree with

537
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: their their decision and you're trying to subtly talk them

538
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: out of it, but you also want to you also

539
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: want their decision to be what's driving their autonomy, so

540
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: that that that EPI episode really stands out of my

541
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: mind as what really captured it. Yeah, right, what about

542
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: the emotional connection, Like, how do you if if if

543
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: that's what it is, then how do you make it

544
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: the next day. If you're rooting for someone to survive

545
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: over and over and over again, you know what I mean,

546
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: how do you make it back to work again? Like

547
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: that was something that we show in Scrubs. And the

548
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: courage that all of the frontline workers have. There's courage

549
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: that all of the doctors that work in hospitals all

550
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: of that stuff. After witnessing death like that, you know,

551
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: how do you get up or you know, and it's

552
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: not just deathlike you know, someone passes away peacefully, sometimes

553
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: it's violently, sometimes it's kids, sometimes it's so many you know,

554
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: there's so many things. How do you process all of this?

555
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: Close your eyes, go to sleep, wake up and say, okay,

556
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and receive all of this energy again.

557
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: How do you do that? How do how is that?

558
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,959
Speaker 1: It's that that is such a good point, Donald, It

559
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: can be taxing. Um, you know, a couple of things

560
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: come to mind. Obviously, if someone if if you can,

561
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: if you know someone's gonna die and you can help

562
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: them have a dignified death, death with dignity, that's always

563
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: enriching u as sad as it is, as you know,

564
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: at least they had death with dignity. I don't want

565
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: to take your podcast down, you know. Uh, no, no,

566
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: this is exactly what this is the show, This is

567
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: what we want to want, right exactly. Uh. And you

568
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: know my special part of my specialty, I specialize in

569
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: disease of sudden death, and so I have many of

570
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: my patients who die suddenly, you know, like len bias,

571
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: you know, those those types of diseases. Uh. And so yeah,

572
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: there is you do connect with your patients and and

573
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: it can hurt, but um, you know, you try to

574
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: give them death with dignity. If it happens violently or

575
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: suddenly or unexpectedly, it's there. It's their family, it's their

576
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: support system. Uh. That that's really having to deal with that.

577
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know part of it is Donald. This

578
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: is where the dark humor comes from in medicine. That

579
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: that sometimes is portrayed uh um pretty well in scrubs.

580
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: That that you know, we're not making fun of people.

581
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: We're not making fun of their disease or their their

582
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: process that they're going through. We are, as a defense mechanism,

583
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 1: using this kind of dark humor to exactly what you're saying,

584
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: sort of gird ourselves against this sort of recurrent assault

585
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: on our emotions. Wow, that sounded pretty good. But no,

586
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: that was great. My god. Now you're a you're a natural. Yo.

587
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: Send that straight up to those duds that did the

588
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: that did the he's climbing in your windows. Send that

589
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: to them, Man, they can turn that shit into the

590
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: fiery Max John. Your specialty is the electricity in the heart,

591
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: right correct? Yeah? Etiology? Yeah? Did you ever do heart transplants? Uh?

592
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 1: In my training, I have seen some heartsmids. I never

593
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: did them physically. What I do in my state, see

594
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: exactly what you do in the They have this thing

595
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: on Reddit called explain it like I'm five, explain it.

596
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: Just explain what you do for everyone as though we're well,

597
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,959
Speaker 1: will say five, as though we're twelve years old. Okay? Uh.

598
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: Cardiac electric physiology. I treat heart rhythm abnormalities, and sometimes

599
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: abnormal heart rhythms can be deadly, and so for those

600
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: I will use catheters in the heart to try to

601
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: redraw the electrical pathways, and if we can't, if someone's

602
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: at risk of dying, I will implant devices in their

603
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: heart that will rescue them if they if they have

604
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: death not deaths. So like bionic heart type. Shit, that's

605
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: a pacemaker. No pacemaker. There are pacemakers, But what I'm

606
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: talking about are what are called defibrillators. Yeah, defibrillator. So

607
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 1: it's like a defibrillator that like goes into your body

608
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: that you carry around with you. Wow. Is that a

609
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: new technology? Probably since the I mean the first implant

610
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: was probably the late eighties and it's it's gotten better ever,

611
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: saying back when you and Bill were doing blow. So

612
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: I have another question. I have a question too, But

613
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 1: you know, man, but I'm exciting, fucking real. I know, man,

614
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: but he's talking about hearts now, and I know that

615
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 1: I had a hard question. You do you? And how

616
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: close are we to freaking artificial hearts? Man? What the

617
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Where? When is? When can I

618
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: live forever? Man? Like? When can that happen? Like like

619
00:36:53,760 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: Captain Piccard, what Star treks Nerd? Yeah? All right, John,

620
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: you're showing, you're showing, you're energating. But Donald wants to know.

621
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,959
Speaker 1: Aren't there already artificial hearts? What are you talking about?

622
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: You know there are, but they're like but they're not

623
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: the same from what I understand, the artificial hearts that

624
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: are out now, like, are just literally like a tube

625
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: that does I don't get. I don't get why are

626
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: you answering the question for me because you ask yeah,

627
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: but you're like, so, as far as I know, there's

628
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: like a thing as the guy. Yeah, we do have

629
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: we do have mechanical assist devices that help very very

630
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: weak hearts um and uh that can be used us

631
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: as a bridge, that can be used as a bridge

632
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: until we can get a heart transplant. And I don't

633
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Speaker 1: know if there are any motorcycle riders listening, but thank

634
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 1: you for all of your hearts of Oh my god,

635
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: I gotta say this, I gotta say this, but I

636
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 1: gotta say this because I was gonna segue to the story.

637
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 1: But you did it beautifully for me. When I got

638
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: my motorcycle for the first time, I was so excited

639
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: and I met a heart surgeon and I was making

640
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: small talk with him because we were at a thing,

641
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: and I wanted me to say and I was curious.

642
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: I said, explain to me again. I said, like in

643
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: layman's terms, how does how does a heart transplant work?

644
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,479
Speaker 1: I just don't get it, and he goes well. After

645
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: the motorcycle accident, we harvest the heart. And I was

646
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: like what now, and he's like, yeah, we call them

647
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: donor bikes. Is that true? Donor cycle? Yeah? Yeah, donorcycle? Now?

648
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: Is that because they're usually young, healthy men? It's usually

649
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: because the motorcycle accident kills people violently, usually by head

650
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: injury or massive internal bleeding. But the heart is fine.

651
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 1: And so then if you can get to that that person,

652
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: if there's still living, then you can take them and harvest,

653
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: harvest or organ. How do you harvest that heart? Wait?

654
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: I have a question, how do you harvest the heart?

655
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: Let's say someone's in a really bad accident but they're

656
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: still alive. Is it is it you or someone? I

657
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: mean maybe you're maybe not you specifically these days, but

658
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: someone has to go, hey, this isn't looking good. Would

659
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: you like to donate the heart? Yes? Yes, it's a

660
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: beautiful it's a beautiful, beautiful thing that people do. UM

661
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: I am involved with many of my patients are are

662
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: on the brink of heart transplant. So I do send

663
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 1: many patients to a heart transplant. And it's a beautiful,

664
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: beautiful thing that families are very sick people like maybe

665
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: someone who had a catastrophic motorcycle accident and we know

666
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: the ultimate outcome of that person, and that family says, yes,

667
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, let's end it. Now take that heart and

668
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: get it to that A move, moving choice, what a

669
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 1: powerful choice for that family. Yes, all right, yes it's beautiful.

670
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: We should probably go to break and wait before we do,

671
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: I just want to say I have a BMW ninety

672
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: now for sale. It is a beautiful, beautiful donor cycle

673
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: that will be up on eBay this afternoon. Yes, Donald,

674
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: let's go to go to break and when we come

675
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: back more real. J D. Jez Louison made them on last.

676
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: Sorry sorry if you on last say we gotta get

677
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 1: it back. Now take that nipple, get it okay? Sorry,

678
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: what does that mean? Made them? We have a lot

679
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: of women who tell us they listen to the podcast

680
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: whilst breastfeeding. If we're too loud, would be the baby's unlatch. Now, JD,

681
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 1: we want us a pivot if it's okay to discuss

682
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: COVID because you are very impressed with your sports terminology

683
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: right there, I guess what did sports terminal? Playing in

684
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: the post? When you're playing in the post, you want

685
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: to be able to, you know, catch the ball, right

686
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: pivot yes, and given be another I'll give you another analogy. Donald.

687
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: If let's say we were doing a normal show and

688
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: then I call an audible and say, hey, guys, now

689
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: I want to talk about COVID. Wow. Well, no, that's

690
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: not that's not exactly what an audible is. An audible

691
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: would be like, all right, we have a play that's

692
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: going right now, Yeah, talking to JD about scrubs ahead right,

693
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: and oh shit, he sees the defense sees the play

694
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: that's coming. Yep, I'm seeing two thousand people die a day. Okay,

695
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 1: I need to call an audible, right, we should inform

696
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: them so we can get this touchdown? Thank you? Can

697
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: I just can I just say that, Uh, I did

698
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: play basketball with Donald once, and I don't know if

699
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: Donald remembers quite a few times I played bast Yeah,

700
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: I guess it was quite nice. So Bill, you know,

701
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: Bill's a huge, huge basketball player, huge basketball fan. He's

702
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: run the same basketball game for twenty five years now.

703
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: Very competitive game, I understand, very competitive games. The most

704
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: dangerous game. I saw this man get his jaw. Was

705
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: it you that got your job? Bill? Had his job dislocated? Dislocated? Yeah,

706
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: and you popped it back into place. Yeah, well, I

707
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: I popped many fingers back into place. Oh that's nice

708
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: if you're there. And and a nose and a nose, right,

709
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 1: and a nose. Listen. He is so kind, um that

710
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: he lets Yeah, he used to let me play. I

711
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: have I have since retired from basketball. Um, but he

712
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: would let me come and play every Tuesday, knowing that

713
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm doing. And sometimes you in

714
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: scrubs two men like you. Uh, And I was horrible.

715
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: I was horrible and everyone knows it. But he was

716
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: so kind. And then Donald would come. He would come

717
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: and I remember this one game, and you may not

718
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: remember this. I remember this one game that the first

719
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: time ever in history, I found myself ahead of a

720
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: breakaway and somebody threw the ball to me, which never happened.

721
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: Somebody threw the ball to me and I just closed

722
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: my eyes and I was running to the back. Threw

723
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: it up and it went in. It went in, and

724
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh, yeah, oh man, that does that breakaway?

725
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: And Donald, I think you said lucky. I wouldn't say that.

726
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: I did not say that. I was known to be

727
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: a dick. When we played Donald, I think I think

728
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 1: I lost a lot of friends. I think the reason

729
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: why I'm not working more in Hollywood right now is

730
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: because of my basketball problems. Donald Donald Donald, when he

731
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: was playing, would become a different person. He came like, not,

732
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: this is not a joke. This is fucking serious. Well,

733
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: he's the real deal. Like I mean, this was a

734
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: game of actual basketball player nine actual basketball players and

735
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: me and and I mean when Donna played, he was

736
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: this is he was the real deal. We all played.

737
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: I mean, we all played. We all played. I was

738
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 1: very flashy, but we all played very We all played

739
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 1: very competitive basketball in that thing. And all right, listen,

740
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: let's segue to Jad. Tell us what your position is

741
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: at Kaiser Permanente, because um Bill Bill said, you're the

742
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: Kelso of which which is I understand it is one

743
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: of the biggest hospitals in Los Angeles. Tell us about

744
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: what you do, right. So I'm at the Kaiser Los

745
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: Angeles Medical Center, which is our quaternary hospital. So this

746
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: is where all of the big specialty UH care occurs.

747
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: So it's a very big hospital, a lot of training

748
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: programs uh and I'm I'm a cardiac electricauseiologists here, but

749
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: I am also an assistant medical director for the for

750
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: the medical center. So yes, I have sort of transitioned

751
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: to a Kelso esque position. Okay, and are you somehow

752
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: or is that just COVID overseeing just come with our

753
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: position or are you on some special COVID team there?

754
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: So right, what comes with the position is we run

755
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: we help run our COVID command center locally. So all

756
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: of all of our hospitals, thirteen hospitals have have COVID

757
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 1: command centers because there are questions that come up, how

758
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: do we move patients from here today? Or what do

759
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: I do? I have a patient in my office, I

760
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: think they're sick, what do I do with them? And

761
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: so we have to we have to, together with with

762
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: a whole team of logistics experts, figure out how to

763
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 1: manage this surge of patients that is in some places

764
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: overwhelming the capacity of hospitals. Our currently our hospital is

765
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: is okay, but we are anti dissipating more and more patients.

766
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: So I will put it into context for you. In

767
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: Southern California, for Kaiser, you know, we had about four

768
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: weeks ago had two hundred members who were hospitalized. As

769
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: of yesterday, eight hundred and fifty hospitalized. So I mean

770
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: in four weeks, it's quadruple. So this is not going

771
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: away unless people take it seriously. Unless they use hand hygiene,

772
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: where face coverings avoid congregate settings, social distancing that will

773
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 1: help mitigate it. And we've seen that happen multiple times

774
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: already since this all started. Back in March. We had

775
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 1: a spike in March. We instituted these mitigation factors, hand

776
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: hygiene based coverings, social distancing, and we brought the number down. Right,

777
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: that's when everyone started talking about flattening the curve. Right,

778
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: that's not a term that anyone ever used before March, right,

779
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: but now everyone in the grocery store saying, we got

780
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: to flatten the curve. So that worked. Then the summer came,

781
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: we got a little a little complacent, we had another peak,

782
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: we reinstituted, and we again flattened the curve. And now

783
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: it's just everywhere because I think a COVID sort of

784
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: quarantine fatigue. It's out. But is it safe to say

785
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: that in La County it's it's pretty out of control.

786
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: Right now. It is out of control and getting worse.

787
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: The positivity rate is going up. A few months ago,

788
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: it was down around around six, six or seven percent

789
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: it's now up you know, eleven and twelve thirteen percent

790
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 1: positivity rate. That means the number of case, the number

791
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: of swabs that are being done at testing centers, more

792
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: and more and more are coming back positive. And so

793
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: that's a sign that the are not is increasing, that

794
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: is the effectivity of the of the pandemic is increasing.

795
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: And so we really have to take this seriously. If

796
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: you were in charge, John, if you were the governor, or, say,

797
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: if you were the mayor, Dude, let's not put him

798
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: in a situation where he has to make a decision

799
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: for the political Yeah, I don't want him to. Okay, Well,

800
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: we can give well, okay, it was just interested to

801
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: know from a doctor's point of view, if I mean,

802
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: you can answer how you want to answer, John, But

803
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: should we be in a more of a more of

804
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: a lockdown? I mean, England is fully shut down right now,

805
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: That's exactly that's a good question. That's that's exactly what

806
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. And the way that that I

807
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: would answer that, uh, is we really do have to

808
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 1: take take what other successful countries have done and really

809
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: consider doing that. Look at England, right, look at Japan,

810
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: look at South Korea, they've done amazing work in in

811
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: limiting the spread of this disease because they have huge

812
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 1: capacity for testing. They locked down, they ask they keep

813
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: social distancing, and so yeah, I mean we we should

814
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: take take that in consideration. I have a question. Okay,

815
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: if they're doing such a good job, though, why is

816
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: everybody locked down again? You know what I mean? Like,

817
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: like we're talking about every here's Here's what I don't understand.

818
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: I can't we're supposed okay, we're supposed to. But if

819
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: we're supposed to take examples from all of these people,

820
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 1: all of these other places, everybody's in the same situation

821
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 1: now we're in I know. But bro, they the government

822
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 1: told I was in the United Kingdom and the government

823
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: had just told them, okay, great, um, don't need to

824
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 1: wear a mask outside anymore. Um, you know, relaxed lots

825
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: of things. And I was walking around a crowded food

826
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: market in notting Hill and the only guy wearing a

827
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: mask with hundreds of people. And so it's not their

828
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: fault necessarily. They were told by the government, all right,

829
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: we're good, no masks outside, no matter what. And then

830
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: it rocketed back up, right Jadie, They Yeah, I think

831
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: We're past that message now, though, I think, right aren't we.

832
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: I think America finally has come to the realization, you

833
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: know what's going to work to stop this as masks.

834
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: I think even the mask naysayers are like, all right, look,

835
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: I get it, we need to mask up. This is

836
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: getting out of control. And if they aren't, and if

837
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 1: they aren't, then there's still I can't speak for everybody,

838
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: but I feel like America's starting to come around to that.

839
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: They're not. They're not not. Even in La Dude, just

840
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: the Saddle Ranch, which is a tourist trap on Sunset Boulevard,

841
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: decided I know what we'll do. We'll just tent our

842
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: parking lot and have however many fucking people they're partying

843
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: that I would drive by it. I would drive by

844
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: it and I just couldn't believe it. Now finally they

845
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 1: close down out or diving. I think, I think, but

846
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody, but that's my point. I think.

847
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: I think right now, everybody who was doubting that shit

848
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: is if not now when these numbers come out, and

849
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: hopefully I'm wrong about this and these numbers aren't high,

850
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: and I'm probably gonna be wrong about it. You're wrong,

851
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: but right, But when these Thanksgiving numbers come out, hopefully

852
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: everybody understands what Uh, Jady, will you tell him that

853
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: that's that that after all this text giving travel is

854
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna see a huge spike for Christmas. Oh,

855
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 1: I know that, But I'm saying, I'm saying I'm hoping

856
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen. But I'm saying, can we do all

857
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: of this by just wearing mask, washing hands and social distancing?

858
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: Can that's so? Will that solve the problem? Yeah? I

859
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: mean I think something that Fauci talks about is we

860
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: tried to flatten the curve back in in March, April

861
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 1: and May. Uh, but we never got got down low

862
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: enough to then say all right, partially open would be

863
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: would be wise, Whereas in Europe they were able to

864
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: really drive it down to a very very low, very

865
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: low rate before they then before they then open things

866
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: up a little bit. Um. And So, I mean, we're

867
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: in a bad way right now. It's only getting worse,

868
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: but we'll we'll get through it. Uh. And I would

869
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: be remiss not to mention that we do have some

870
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: vaccines coming. Yes, that's a good sege, that's a good

871
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,760
Speaker 1: pivot of two vaccines because I think the question on

872
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: it has to be on everyone's mind. When will everyone

873
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: get it? Now? As I understand it, there's a minimum

874
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: of three right JD that are that are very exciting,

875
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: of five Zermaderna and another one. Can you tell us

876
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: a little bit about again, please don't get smart, uh

877
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: cardiologist on us and say it in layman's terms? When

878
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: when when does the proximate rollout for this? And understanding

879
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: that seniors and frontline workers will get it first. But

880
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: I listen to a podcast the head of warp Speed

881
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: said that he thinks by by May we could start

882
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: reaching herd immunity, which which seemed a little bullish to

883
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: a to a novice like me, But we can you

884
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: talk to talk about vaccines for our audience? I will,

885
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: I will. It's so funny you say that. I just

886
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: want to back one second the writer in the writer's room.

887
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: As I would start to talk about some whatever medical thing,

888
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: I would then get into being mister medical medical ease,

889
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: and the writers would start to make fun of me,

890
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: and so then they started to like make up fake

891
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: JD words and then called and text me and say

892
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: is thrombo flemtesis a real thing. Like, Okay, let's talk

893
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 1: about vaccines. Yes, m we have two vaccines that are

894
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: being submitted for emergency use authorization. But to the FDA,

895
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: Fiser and Maderna are closest um. They are two dose vaccines,

896
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: meaning you have to get get one dose and then

897
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: three weeks later get a second booster. That might be

898
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: one negative thing about it, but but listen, it's a pandemic.

899
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: You're you're gonna get two shots um. Also as you

900
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 1: Zennica has also a two shot vaccine that's quite close

901
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:12,919
Speaker 1: also there to getting emercies authorization. The issue is will

902
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: people take it, will the companies have the capacity to

903
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: make enough, and how will it be distributed? So I

904
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: think there's one more issue that you're forgetting their duck

905
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: and how does it work with people with autoimmune diseases

906
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So that's a real issue that

907
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 1: they're not that we haven't been discussing. But like, let's

908
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 1: say you have an automoimmune disease, Let's say you have HIV,

909
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: Let's say you have something like that. With taking this vaccine,

910
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: how will that affect your body and how will that

911
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: affect you as wrong so that's that's a great question.

912
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: And so for example, the Fiser vaccine is a novel

913
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 1: type of vaccine that I think you know, what Donald

914
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: is referring to is that some vaccines from the past

915
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: used live viruses as the vector to either deliver the

916
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: vaccine or they were live attenuated viruses of the thing

917
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: you were trying to protect against, so that it couldn't

918
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: infect you, but it was the actual virus. And so

919
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: people who were immuno compromise on chemotherapy, they couldn't take

920
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 1: those because their immune system wouldn't uh, could get overwhelmed.

921
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: The fires Are virus is what's called an mRNA virus.

922
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to get into the

923
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:34,720
Speaker 1: keep it. So yeah, so it's a fires Are virus

924
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: is a is a novel virus that that lets the

925
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: body make the protein that are immune system then fights against.

926
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 1: So it doesn't make the virus. There's nothing contagious about it,

927
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: so it's really safe in that way. Uh and um.

928
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: But again it's it's the two shots and the thing.

929
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: The downside with one of the downsides of the Fiser

930
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 1: virus is that it has to be shipped and kept

931
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 1: very very cold and there aren't very many people, very

932
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: many companies that make these freezers that keep things at

933
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: negative ninety four degrees, so that might be one one problem.

934
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: The MODERNA is a similar vaccine, it doesn't have to

935
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: be kept as cold. It is also a two shot series.

936
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: And then the astros Eneka is I think people have

937
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: real hopes for for sort of the world in general.

938
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: First for certainly the third third world, because it doesn't

939
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: have to be kept cold, um, because that's that would

940
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: be that's a real problem for for countries that wouldn't

941
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: have access to these super freezers and electricity and you

942
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: know all of that. Uh. And so that that might

943
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: and and it's cheaper, so that might be a real

944
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: answer um. In terms of the capacity, what I have heard,

945
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: um is that Fizer said they'll have about thirty to

946
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 1: forty million doses by the end of the year. That

947
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: means by the end of this month, by the end

948
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: of December. Uh And so again it's a two shot vaccine,

949
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: so that would be enough to cover about twenty million people.

950
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: The government has come out with guidelines on who to

951
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: vaccinate first, second, third, and though, but they are not

952
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: mandating that. They are letting states define that, but in general,

953
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: I think what the rubric that that most states are

954
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: taking is healthcare professionals and the most at risk patients,

955
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: people over sixty five with you know, people with chronic

956
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: health issues, who are transplant patients, who are really really

957
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: at risk for they had outcomes related to COVID infection,

958
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: will be sort of that first wave. And it just

959
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: so happens that if you look at all healthcare professionals

960
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: in the country, UM, physicians, nurses, Elvian's m A, all

961
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: of the all of the healthcare professionals, that's about twenty

962
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: million people. UH and UM. Again, there was a study

963
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: unfortunately recently a question there survey that about sixty percent

964
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: of physicians said they would take it, but that means

965
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: that forty percent wouldn't UH, and only about forty percent

966
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: of nurses said that they would take it. So now

967
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: we have a m I have a dumb question. Wouldn't you,

968
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: as a hospital and you're an administrator, be able to

969
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: say you can't come to work without it? I understand,

970
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: I understand you can't force John Q citizen to take

971
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: a vaccine, But if you, if you're an administration, you say,

972
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: if you want to work here, as as a medical

973
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: personnel you have to be is that isn't that possible? Right? Right?

974
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: Making it a stipulation of employment is something that is

975
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: being discussed. Now. Again, we are a very union union

976
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: heavy states. Uh so that's that's going to be a

977
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: political that's going to be a political issue, whether you

978
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: can make it a stipulation of employment. Well, but you know,

979
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: people have questions when it comes to this. You know,

980
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: they're talking about how it's ninety percent effective and everything

981
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: like that, but what else is it? What else does

982
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: it do? Like I'm making a joke here, but will

983
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: my kids grow? You know what I mean? Well, you know,

984
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: they go through puberty if they take the vaccine, you

985
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, there's a bunch of things.

986
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm a forty six year old man. If I get

987
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: the vaccine, will I live to be eighty still? You

988
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: know what I mean? I mean not that that's not

989
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: that that's a possibility. I mean, well, I think it's good, Donald,

990
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, Like, there's so many

991
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,919
Speaker 1: things that what's the long term effect when it comes

992
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: to this. Yeah, Donald brings up I think an important

993
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: thing that's an elephant in the room that we have

994
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: to address that a lot of people are understandably concerned,

995
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: not even anti vaxx or people who are just like

996
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: you guys sped through this thing and you made it.

997
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: And of course we we at least on this podcast

998
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: trust scientists and we but you know, you have to

999
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: be a bit naive to not go Is this okay? Yeah? No,

1000
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: for sure. It's a great point. And I think that

1001
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: that people have had fears of vaccines going all the

1002
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 1: way back. Um, I will put one thing into context.

1003
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: So for example that I do want to make a

1004
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: pitch for getting your flu shot this year the flu vaccine,

1005
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: and I'll use that as a as as an example.

1006
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: So some people say the same, you know, have the

1007
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: same reservation about about the flu vaccine. Um, it's a

1008
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: different vaccine. I understand that, But listen, if the flu

1009
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,959
Speaker 1: vaccine had some weird, crazy side effects. In the last

1010
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: ten years, we've given one point eight billion doses of

1011
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: flu vaccine, one point eight billion doses of flu vaccine,

1012
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: and we haven't seen any weird, crazy side facing. It's

1013
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 1: a safe vaccine. It's been around for a while, so

1014
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: like the science is there that it still works. This

1015
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: is something that's only been around for literally two months

1016
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: a month and not even a month. It's not even

1017
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: out yet, right, how do we how do we trust that? Right?

1018
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: You make? You make a really good point. I'm going

1019
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,439
Speaker 1: to get a little a little science here. So yeah,

1020
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: So the flu vaccine has uh, four different strains of

1021
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: proteins that are specific to four different strains of influenza virus.

1022
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: It's not the virus itself, it can't give you influenza,

1023
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: but those proteins are then injected into their body and

1024
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: your body makes immunity to those proteins, so that when

1025
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: a virus, when influenza virus goes in there, it has

1026
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,919
Speaker 1: that protein, your immune system can get it. That's how

1027
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: standard of vaccinations work. So this is similar to that.

1028
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: The visor vaccine has your body create that little piece

1029
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: of protein and then your your immune system creates memory

1030
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: so that if in fact a covid virus particle gets

1031
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: in there, it already recognizes it and it keeps you

1032
01:01:56,240 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: keeps it from overwhelming the body. So, yes, influenza vaccine

1033
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: has been around for a long time. It's not exactly

1034
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: the same vaccine that the same virus from nineteen eighteen pandemic. However,

1035
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: it's the same idea. It's the same idea, so thanks

1036
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: for bringing that up. But in terms of safety of vaccination,

1037
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: we know that vaccination is safe. Yes, this is new,

1038
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: so I understand everyone has has a concern of long

1039
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: term safety because all you know, Visor had about forty

1040
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: five thousand patients, Moderna had about thirty five thousand patients.

1041
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a fairly small sample size in terms

1042
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: of the world, but it's a good sample size for

1043
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: a study for a vaccine study, and there had not

1044
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: been any safety concerns. Really, am I correct? You're saying

1045
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 1: something I didn't fully digest, and correct me if I'm wrong.

1046
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:56,439
Speaker 1: That it's the same concept as the flu vaccine, just

1047
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:02,439
Speaker 1: with different things because it's covid. It's the same concept, yes,

1048
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 1: that the vaccine works in that in the flu vaccine,

1049
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: we give you a piece of a protein that's on

1050
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: the influenza virus, and your body recognizes that protein. Now

1051
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: it has memory for that, and so when an actual

1052
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Speaker 1: influenza gets in, it sees that protein and it attacks

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01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: the virus. The same idea for vaccination for COVID. There

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01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 1: are some candidate vaccines that just inject the little spike

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01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: protein into you, doing the same thing as influenza. This

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Speaker 1: new mRNA type virus, this novel type virus that MODERNA

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01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: and FISA are using, sort of take it one step,

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01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: one step back, and it says, we don't have to

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01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: wait to make, you know, get that protein. We can

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01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: have the person's body make the protein. So they inject

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Speaker 1: the little piece of what's called messenger RNA and our

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01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: own cells create that protein. Now our immune system recognizes it,

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Speaker 1: so when COVID comes in, so it's the same thing,

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Speaker 1: just one step back. That's a little sciency for people.

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01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 1: So sorry about okay, but now if you have an

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Speaker 1: autoimmune system, I know we kind of covered this, but

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Speaker 1: is that a dangerous situation for someone with an autoimmune

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Speaker 1: disease or someone with something that's similar to that, Right,

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Speaker 1: So that's a really good point Donald. So, say, for example,

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Speaker 1: someone is on chemotherapy and their immune system is really

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01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: quite quite weak. Sometimes they have trouble mounting a good

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Speaker 1: immune immune response in order to establish memory. In fact,

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Speaker 1: for those patients when they come and get the flu shot,

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01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: we give them an extra big dose of it so

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Speaker 1: that their body can really try to try to make it.

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Speaker 1: So we'll have to see how that works in those patients.

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Speaker 1: I do not believe that immunocompromise patients that you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: We're part of these studies, and so it's a really

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Speaker 1: really good point, Donald, because we are we're you know,

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01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: extending sort of making the assumption that is going to

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Speaker 1: work for everyone, but it might not work, say for

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Speaker 1: someone who has uncontrolled HIV and their immune system isn't working,

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01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 1: or on chemotherapy or something like that. All right, So JD,

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Speaker 1: let me ask you something, or as we call you,

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Speaker 1: John real JD. You know, I when I when I

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01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 1: went in my phone to text you to come on

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01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: the show, I noticed for the first time, and I

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01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: haven't texted you in many years, but I noticed for

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01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: the first time that you were in my phone as

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01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: John Dorian and not making a joke. I literally just

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01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: put you in my phone as John. Well. I remember

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01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 1: that you even truncated I don't know what season it

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01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 1: was that I remember you started calling me real JD

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01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: on the set or pretty early on, and then you

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01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: just truncated it to Real. It just eliminated my name entirely.

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01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 1: Shaw calls you real all the time. All right. So,

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Speaker 1: so last major question a couple more. MA. I'm sorry, dude,

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01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 1: but I just want to make sure we touched that,

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Speaker 1: like correct vitamins and stuff like that, like vitamin like

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01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: zinc and stuff like that. Are things like that effective

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01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: against this virus like zinc vitamin d uh? You know? Right,

1102
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: so early on, early on Donald, you know, people were

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01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 1: in a panic, uh, and they were grasping at straws

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01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: and they would someone would say zinc works or chlorox works.

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01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,959
Speaker 1: And our president would say shovel light and your button

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01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: not will work right and so right, and so they

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01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: really glombed onto any trying. By the way, yeah, I

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01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: have a beer bottle. I didn't use the I just

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01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:38,959
Speaker 1: I have a small table lamp and it felt nice,

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01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 1: but I didn't feel it. I didn't feel it immuniti

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01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: But there have been some studies about vitamin supplements. There

1112
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: have been studies of medicine medication called roomdesseverere. There have

1113
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: been some some studies of some different things. Nothing has

1114
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: really really come out. It's really just supportive care for

1115
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 1: for people. Um. There there are are some ongoing studies

1116
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 1: about monoclonal antibodies, which are a way of passive immunity,

1117
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:11,919
Speaker 1: that is, your body makes antibodies to fight viruses. Well,

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01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 1: the thought is, why don't we give antibodies that are

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01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: already made to people who have the virus already. That's

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Speaker 1: called using monoclonal antibodies. That's that regineron right, that's yeah, yeah, uh,

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01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 1: and so that's under that's under investigation as well. Yeah,

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01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: so there are there are some some things under investigation.

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Speaker 1: But the vaccine, let's cut to the chase. If I'm

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Speaker 1: a listener on this audience, and I'm not a senior

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01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 1: over sixty five, and I'm not an essential worker, and

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01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor, and I'm not in a nursing home, um,

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01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a forty five year old. For example, You're

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Speaker 1: probably thinking, um, what when when roughly, if things go well,

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01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 1: when roughly might I have access to a vaccine? But

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01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 1: I know that I know that the head of warp

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01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 1: Speed said, may Ish, I wondered if you thought that

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01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 1: was real or two bullish? What are your thoughts? I

1133
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: think that I think that that they're getting that from

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01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: from the manufacturers who were saying we can have this

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01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 1: many by the end of the year, we can have

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01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: this many by you know, the first quarter, and we

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01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: can have this many by the summer, uh and uh

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01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 1: you know by the end of twenty twenty one, they're

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01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: talking about having over a billion, over a billion UH doses.

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01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:31,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, so I think that that he that they

1141
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 1: are they are taking that extrapolating it to about May

1142
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 1: is when they would initiate sort of the phase three.

1143
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:43,799
Speaker 1: So phase one or is whom we talked about. Phase

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01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 1: two would be essential workers, firemen, policeman, teachers, you know that,

1145
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 1: and then the population that you were just referring to,

1146
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 1: Zach would be sort of the last uh big population

1147
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: and they would start to get the immunites around May.

1148
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 1: That's what I heard, the same, the same, the same estimate. Okay.

1149
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 1: One last question, if you have if you have the vaccine,

1150
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 1: can you still spread the virus? Okay, Donald, That's a

1151
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 1: really good question, and it's something that we don't know

1152
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: exactly because the data that came back from the studies

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01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 1: from Fizer and Moderna said, look, we are ninety five

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01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 1: percent effective at preventing someone from getting sick from COVID UH,

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01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 1: And it did not study, it did not look at

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Speaker 1: whether someone who is vaccinated could still be an asymptomatic carrier.

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01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: How can we talk about her immunity if we can't

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01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 1: guarantee that this is something that can't spread after of yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have have an answer for that

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Speaker 1: because I don't think that was studied. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if everyone understands what her community is um. The idea

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01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: of heard community is once about seventy percent of a

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01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 1: population is resistant to a virus, then the virus has

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01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 1: a hard time finding its next victim, and it then

1165
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 1: is unable to continue its infections and it's sort of

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01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: it peters out at that point. We have never had

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01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 1: natural herd immunity, So I know that people have heard

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01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: in the beginning of the pandemic they said, oh my god,

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01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:33,759
Speaker 1: Sweden is going for natural immunity. They're just telling everyone

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01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: to go out and do their thing and get sick

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01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,759
Speaker 1: and we'll wait for natural herd immunity. Humans have never

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01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 1: there's no example that I know of that humans have

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01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 1: achieved natural herd immunity. The only herd immunity that we've

1174
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: ever ever achieved is through vaccination. So that's why smallpox

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01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 1: is no longer in a problem, because we created herd

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01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 1: immunity and it's now extincted. That just sounds like it

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01:10:57,880 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 1: just sounds like the Hunger Games. Man. We're gonna go

1178
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 1: actual herd immunity. What does that mean? What does that mean?

1179
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,719
Speaker 1: We're just gonna let everybody get together and the survival

1180
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: of the fittest, right, right, all right, right, Lastly, JD,

1181
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 1: I just wanted you to tell everyone that because I

1182
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 1: had heard this, but they won't. They should hear from

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01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 1: a real doctor, not a fake doctor, that the vaccines

1184
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 1: are just kind of gonna be you get which what's available, right,

1185
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 1: because people shouldn't start to go to their doctrine like no,

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01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 1: I want, Maderna, I want because it's not gonna be

1187
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 1: like that. Right, You're gonna get it at your your

1188
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: righted or your Walgreens, just like you with the flu shot,

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01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: I'm told. But but you're just gonna get the one

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01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 1: that happens to be available. You're not gonna able to

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01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 1: select it. Correct. I think in general that's probably true

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01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 1: because we're certainly in the beginning there's going to be

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01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 1: such a limited number of doses. We're really going to

1194
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: have to have to be careful about who is getting it,

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01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 1: who we're giving it to. Uh. And then eventually, if

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01:11:55,840 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: you know, vaccinating the entire population of the world, that

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01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 1: is a huge undertaking. And like you said, it's gonna

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01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 1: be who whatever we can can up manufacture enough to

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Speaker 1: start to start giving out, and it's gonna be whatever

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01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 1: whatever countries can get their hands on. Nations are already bidding. Uh,

1201
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 1: there's bidding wars for for guaranteed numbers of doses, and

1202
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: so it's just whatever whatever the countries get. What month

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01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 1: would you guess that you and Dolly could safely, with

1204
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 1: no concerns go to the movies? Oh, well, we're we're

1205
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 1: being pretty careful. We're being pretty careful. Okay, let's say

1206
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 1: a typical cautious cardiologist and his beautiful wife. Yes, when

1207
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 1: would you When would you go to the movie theater

1208
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:48,680
Speaker 1: and be like, I have no concerns? Oh boy? Uh,

1209
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 1: I would say fourth quarter twenty twenty one, first quarter

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01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. Oh, Donald, what about all our Blockbuster

1211
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 1: You heard it here? First people settle into Netflix? Go ahead? Hey, uh, so,

1212
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 1: let's say you've had COVID already. Do you still recommend

1213
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: getting the getting the good question? Donald? Your best question? Fire?

1214
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 1: You know why he's on fire? By the way, not

1215
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: to not to. He finally fucking did his homework. He

1216
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 1: did no homework for this for your interviews, and he's

1217
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:25,640
Speaker 1: ever done for anybody else. I want you to know,

1218
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 1: it's a really excellent question that again was not studied

1219
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 1: UH in in any of the in any of the

1220
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 1: UH studies, because those patients had were checked to see

1221
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 1: if they had UH, if they already have immunity or

1222
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 1: already have antibodies in their blood, and so um, we

1223
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 1: don't know what that is. I would suspect, you know,

1224
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 1: I really do advocate for the flu shot. I want

1225
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 1: every listener to go get the flu shot, even if

1226
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:57,759
Speaker 1: you think you've had the flu already. There are multiple

1227
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: strains of influenza, and so like the COVID vaccine, the

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01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 1: influenza vaccine has protects you against four strains. And for

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01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: every year, we get a peak of influenza A and

1230
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 1: then a peak of influenza B, and so if you've

1231
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 1: had A, you can still get B. And so we

1232
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:19,439
Speaker 1: always tell people, even if you've had influenza, get your

1233
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 1: flu shot every year, and this year especially, I just

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01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: want to warn everyone there is some data out of

1235
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 1: China that coinfection does happen. If you can get your kid,

1236
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 1: can come home from whatever they're doing, congregate whatever they're doing,

1237
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 1: and give you influenza your job, you can get COVID,

1238
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 1: and you can be infected together. Coinfection has a much, much,

1239
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 1: much worse outcome than just a single infection with either one.

1240
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 1: So we already have a vaccine for one of them.

1241
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 1: Go get your flu shot. You just mentioned something you

1242
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: talked about kids and everything like that. So we in

1243
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 1: California kids are still allowed to meet up and go

1244
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 1: play and stuff like that. I'm told that they don't

1245
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 1: get sick from the virus, but they can still contract

1246
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 1: the virus and pass it on to us. So why

1247
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 1: are we still allowing I mean, I personally for my

1248
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: kids mental health. I'm willing I get it. I'm willing

1249
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 1: to risk all right, I could die. This is something

1250
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: that's that could happen. It's very scary. I'm not gonna

1251
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 1: lie to you. This is something that I freaking have

1252
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:28,680
Speaker 1: nightmares about often sending my kid back to school and

1253
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 1: him or her coming home with the virus and giving

1254
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 1: it to myself, my wife, or my other children and

1255
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 1: one of us being the you know, the majority, not

1256
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:46,440
Speaker 1: the majority the minority in America right now that perishes

1257
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 1: or it gets very very very very sick. So, like, one,

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01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 1: why is it that we're still saying, okay, let the kids.

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Speaker 1: I think it's because peace of mind and letting the

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Speaker 1: kids mental health grow and you know, sack fighting yourself

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Speaker 1: for the future and everything. You know. It's so I

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Speaker 1: believe that you you know what I mean. But we're

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Speaker 1: talking about masks and everything like that. But we're you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just we're letting the kids play sports.

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Speaker 1: We're letting the kids do all types of things. Are

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Speaker 1: we are we playing an answer? It's it's a really

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Speaker 1: it's a really great point. Uh, And I will tell you.

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Speaker 1: I just want to put it into context. And again,

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Speaker 1: influenza is a great prototype that people understand because we

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Speaker 1: we we go through an epidemic of influenza every year.

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Speaker 1: We know that kids are the super spreaders of influenza.

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Speaker 1: We know that they get it and spread it at

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Speaker 1: school and bring it home, bring it home to their families.

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Speaker 1: For some reason, and I do not know the answer why,

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Speaker 1: it is felt that maybe they are not as much

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01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 1: super spreaders of COVID And there are all sorts of

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Speaker 1: theories why they don't have as much ACE two receptors

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01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 1: or whatnot. I was gonna say, I was gonna say

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Speaker 1: it might be the AH two receptors. Yeah, but uh,

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01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:09,720
Speaker 1: and they they tend to do well in terms and

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Speaker 1: if they do get sick, they tend not to be

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Speaker 1: the ones who have severe illness. That is not to

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Speaker 1: say that we have not had children with severe illness,

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01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:27,680
Speaker 1: children with multiple you know, miscum multiple organ inflammatory diseases

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01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 1: after much like um Kawasaki's disease. It's not to say

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01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 1: that that all kids are immune to it, and we

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01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 1: know that teenagers are more like adults. So I'm a

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Speaker 1: little bit confused about our attitude towards it because we

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01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,759
Speaker 1: know that teenagers get it, we know that they get sick,

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Speaker 1: and we know that they spread it, and so we

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Speaker 1: can't generalize them into the same category as quote unquote kids.

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Speaker 1: So when when what's the cutoff point that roughly that

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01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:02,719
Speaker 1: we kids to team. Yeah, I think they talk about teenagers,

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Speaker 1: so anywhere over twelve or or or thirteen, you know,

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01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 1: the Fier the Fiser study studied kids over twelve, So kids,

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Speaker 1: are your kids in are your kids in school? Are

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01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 1: you home learning. No kids are on zoom school. Uh,

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01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 1: they're on lockdown. But you know, now I don't know

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Speaker 1: the right answer. I think that you bring up a

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Speaker 1: huge important point, and that is that the mental health,

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01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 1: the development of kids, the education of kids, the tech

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01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 1: inequity of kids, the food inequity in our in our society,

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01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:40,520
Speaker 1: that some kids are really suffering. So it's a huge problem.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you amen. So, but it really is

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01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: important that that there are other psychosocial advantages of kids

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01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 1: being back in school or back together, back congregated, and

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01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:55,599
Speaker 1: we have to find a way. We have to find

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Speaker 1: a way to do that. Uh. And I don't have

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Speaker 1: an answer on that note. I want to thank you

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01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 1: so much because this, seriously, this has been incredibly informative.

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Speaker 1: We had the fun of talking about your involvement with

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01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 1: the show, and it was just so so helpful that

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01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 1: you we have someone who's so knowledgeable about about all

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01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 1: these things. And I really really want to thank you

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01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 1: for your time because I know that you're a busy man. Well,

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Speaker 1: I just want to thank you guys. You know, this

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01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:28,559
Speaker 1: was so fun for me. I was so excited and

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01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 1: I really didn't sleep well last night because I was nervous,

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01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 1: but I love the fact that you're like heading the

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01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:38,600
Speaker 1: COVID response Kaiser Permanente and you didn't sleep because of

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01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 1: coming on our stupid podcast. You know what, Joelle, we

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01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 1: might have to send him one of these onesies. Now, Doc,

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01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:46,640
Speaker 1: would you wear a onesie like this? I was wondering

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01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 1: what is I would definitely wear that. This is an

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01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 1: official fake Doctor's real friends onesie, and I think that

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01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:54,600
Speaker 1: Jowell will make sure we gift you one as if

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01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 1: thank you gift coming on the show. We can warn you,

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01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 1: but let's get him an Excel because if you if

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01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 1: you get a large, it's a little small duck is

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01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 1: you can see. I don't know if this is a

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01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 1: medical term, but I have a moose number. That is

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01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 1: not what I wanted to see today. Okay, well, I

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Speaker 1: just want to thank you guys. I always had so

1334
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 1: much fun with you guys on the set, and this

1335
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 1: is so great that that I was able to come

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01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 1: on here. I will call you any back. We'd love

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01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 1: to have you back. I'll come on anytime, Joel. Let's

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01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 1: pick an episode that um that has a has a

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01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 1: complicated medical thing that might confer with our podcast owner

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01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:38,559
Speaker 1: Bill let don't want to start with that joke. It's

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01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 1: not funny. I can't believe she just said that. I know.

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01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 1: I feel like I could cry, like they're welling, but

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01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 1: they're not. They're not yet. I will focus on something

1344
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 1: that has to do it, like the heart, so he

1345
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 1: can get deep into matters of the heart, and and

1346
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:56,719
Speaker 1: and and and what do you call him? Donor cycles?

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01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 1: That's right. I will tell you that that Bill Bill

1348
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 1: said to me last night. If they're being mean, just

1349
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 1: text me and I will call in on that show.

1350
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:07,679
Speaker 1: You never mean. We love our guests, we love our fans. Hey, listeners,

1351
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 1: we hope this was informative. This is not a political thing.

1352
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 1: I know some of you get upset when don like

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01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:15,599
Speaker 1: it political. This is not political. This is about keeping

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01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 1: everyone safe, and believe it or not, we genuinely care

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01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 1: about your health and you're the well being of you

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01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 1: and your family. And I'm just so lucky. We feel

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01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 1: so lucky that we had John here to impart some wisdom.

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01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:31,560
Speaker 1: So John, we do a thing here on the podcast.

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01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 1: Have you ever listened to the podcast before? It's okay

1360
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,679
Speaker 1: if you have and you're a busy man. I listened

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01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 1: last night for the first time. Okay, good, So, as

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01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 1: you know, we count out like a count into a song,

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01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 1: five six seven eight, would you do us the honor

1364
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 1: of counting out and do our into our ending song.

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01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:49,879
Speaker 1: Wait before we get into that, I just want everybody

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01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 1: out there to no, I don't think we're deaf and

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01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 1: we don't understand that, you know, the importance of money

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01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 1: and the importance of the economy and everything like that.

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01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 1: I know we were very COVID heavy in this and

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01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 1: we didn't necessarily get into the other side of things

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01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 1: on why you know what America, what other Americans feel

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01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 1: like they need out there. But I will say this, John,

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01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:17,599
Speaker 1: when we started this show, we wanted the theme song

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01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 1: to be like loved by everyone. So when you say

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01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 1: five six seven eight today, you have to come at

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01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 1: it with some like uh energy that you know. It

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01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:30,800
Speaker 1: has to be real energy. It can't just be some

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01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 1: timid I didn't sleep last night because I was nervous

1379
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 1: about coming on to the podcast. Energy. I gotta come

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01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:42,639
Speaker 1: with it with. It needs the energy of nurse. Get

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01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 1: the fucking crash card in here now right. It needs

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01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 1: that means he's coding. Yeah, it needs the code blue

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01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:58,599
Speaker 1: sprinting to your third code. It needs like the exact

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01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 1: it needs what you're the executive, the co executive, what

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01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 1: it is, chief of medicine, whatever, it needs that type

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01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 1: of energy, the co chief. It needs that co chief

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01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 1: energy when you're talking to your interns, when you're teaching

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01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 1: your interns. Okay, are you ready, John Fox six seven

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01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 1: eight type of thing though, Remember it's like DeBie Allenie

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01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 1: Allen rhythm, you're ready ready. Stories about Shure we made

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01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:36,480
Speaker 1: about a bunch of doctor nurses and said he's the stories.

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Speaker 1: So YadA around you. Here are Yato around you, Here

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