Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. What a man?
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: You make.
Speaker 1: You what? I thought you were outside right now?
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I'm outside, man, the basketball game on,
Speaker 4: I'm in New Orleans and.
Speaker 3: Even do adults ship like sit outside and have a drink.
Speaker 1: I get the.
Speaker 2: Look and he ain't even got no headphones on, Like
Speaker 2: he just straightened like I'm out in the street. Out
Speaker 2: you got your headphones?
Speaker 1: I guess is you just found out about this?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: I don't like your headphones.
Speaker 3: I don't like to be contained. Man, I'm an. I'm
Speaker 3: ready to.
Speaker 2: Fight Anthony Mackie and I barely know him. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Welcome knowing Anthony Mackie.
Speaker 1: Let us start. Is everyone rolling?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, not Anthony Mackie.
Speaker 3: But no, I don't record. That's how he gets everybody.
Speaker 3: I freaked.
Speaker 5: Like, I can tell this is already gonna match our
Speaker 5: our drunken Christmas episodes.
Speaker 1: I can I can tell already.
Speaker 5: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme.
Speaker 5: I'm your host Quest Love. We have Teams Supreme with
Speaker 5: us unpaid bill. Hello, how's it going?
Speaker 3: It's Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Everything's good.
Speaker 5: You didn't tell us. You didn't tell us that we
Speaker 5: got black muppets on the wall.
Speaker 6: Yeah, black muppets. We haven't discussed black muppets. They're a
Speaker 6: black muppets. Get into it.
Speaker 1: Wait, nig I gotta pose.
Speaker 5: I gotta pose the question like SNL Does that mean
Speaker 5: all the other muppets are white?
Speaker 1: Valid question? Can't answer that, per se, but it's a
Speaker 1: really good question. Are you not allowed to answer that question?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 6: I mean probably, I haven't honestly thought about it, but
Speaker 6: it's a good it's a good question. Are we recording
Speaker 6: because I don't. I learned from Anthony Mackie. I don't record.
Speaker 6: I just play free, free, living, free free.
Speaker 1: So what's what's? What's?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: What's the puppies names? Eric and Travis or something?
Speaker 2: No, come on, No, one of them got a real
Speaker 2: black name. It's not real black, but it's black enough.
Speaker 5: Not like name one of them. You gotta give him
Speaker 5: like a North Philly named.
Speaker 1: Please.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Your girlfriend is your girlfriend of urban descent?
Speaker 6: No, she's the producer of Sesame Street?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Is she of urban descent?
Speaker 1: What is she black? His stepmother's Jamaican? Though, that's right?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 6: The names are Their names are Elijah and West, which
Speaker 6: are not the blackest name.
Speaker 1: Like Elijah's is kind.
Speaker 2: Of yeah yeah, and they did Elijah shout out to
Speaker 2: you know, Elijah rest in peace, Colorado Springs.
Speaker 3: That's what's up.
Speaker 4: I don't know about that. Somebody they want my my
Speaker 4: my ex wanted to name O Son Wyatt and I
Speaker 4: was literally about to go to jail.
Speaker 2: And so you decided to name him Anthony Jr.
Speaker 3: Oh you think I'm gonna name him?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was the last start in my mind. Right now,
Speaker 5: he shadow a little question. What you think I named him?
Speaker 3: Know, I'm from the South. You're gonna be a junior ship.
Speaker 1: I see that, sugar Steve. How are we doing this week?
Speaker 1: We're doing great. Nice to see everybody. Team Supreme. Anthony
Speaker 1: Mackie so nice to see you.
Speaker 3: What's up rich Man.
Speaker 1: Students from Manhattan?
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, man, you look, I'm hype. I'm ready for this.
Speaker 2: I'm ready to go in.
Speaker 3: Yes, ready for about ten minutes. Girl going god you.
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good man, I'm good. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: fun episode. All right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was about to say normally I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 5: gonna astrew the long jown out episode.
Speaker 1: Because there's really no need for this introduction.
Speaker 5: I'll just say this much please eight Mile Brother, the
Speaker 5: Brother Manturian candidate, She hate me, million dollar Baby, Eagle Eye,
Speaker 5: the hurt Locker notorious nine catches Us, Abraham Lincoln, Detroit
Speaker 5: Captain America win a Soldier Civil War. Also the hate
Speaker 5: you give I didn't realize that was thug acronym.
Speaker 1: I'll get that later. Black or white, Yeah, yeah, forgive me,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 5: Anyway, The Night the Night Before Avengers at Man uh,
Speaker 5: striking vibrs, black mirror episode, definitely all the way, the
Speaker 5: Falcon Winter Soldier of course.
Speaker 1: Dude, what about the Matt da.
Speaker 3: In One Adjustment Bureau? Come on?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, okay, there was twelve more I was gonna name,
Speaker 5: but fuck it. Ladies and gentlemen, we got on Quest
Speaker 5: Love Supreme.
Speaker 1: Yes, and we're recorded, Yes, we are recording. How are
Speaker 1: you right now? Man?
Speaker 3: I'm good, bro, I'm chilling.
Speaker 4: I'm just living life, man, enjoying this unemployment game.
Speaker 3: Shut up?
Speaker 2: Your job is on TV every week. I don't know
Speaker 2: what you're talking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, you're everywhere. So how are you unemployed?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 1: This minute you finish the job. You unemployed, Thank.
Speaker 3: You, sir. There's one person here that knows how unemployment works.
Speaker 5: There's one person here that also knows that you probably
Speaker 5: have five other things lined up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean later, yeah, but right now I'm unemployed.
Speaker 2: I get that you can actually file.
Speaker 1: He's right.
Speaker 2: I didn't think about it. Well.
Speaker 3: I was told I can't file.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I was about to say you can file.
Speaker 3: I don't get a stemmy check.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you got your stimmy, dude.
Speaker 2: You's a super fi super I was.
Speaker 3: I was. I was gonna file for stemmy and they
Speaker 3: told me I couldn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be pretty fucked up of a country.
Speaker 7: We let the falcon get a stemmy that's.
Speaker 1: Incoming quality like a motherfucker? Where are you right? Where
Speaker 1: are you right now?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: Probably the US?
Speaker 3: I'm I'm in New Orleans downtown.
Speaker 1: You are too boue, too blue knowlans Yeah seven.
Speaker 3: World Basketballville hard head know that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Else New York motherfuckers don't know how to deal with
Speaker 4: that from you.
Speaker 1: Saw the silence afterwards.
Speaker 4: Everybody was like, uh, love you to Anthony, thank you.
Speaker 2: I was just one and if all the New Orleans
Speaker 2: All stars knew each other because we talked to Terrence
Speaker 2: Blanchard in the last month, we talked to PJ. Moore
Speaker 2: in Tank and everybody is still all the New Orleans
Speaker 2: folks are in New Orleans. I'm like a lot of
Speaker 2: other folks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, oh way, it's the best city in the world.
Speaker 3: Why would you leave?
Speaker 4: You get your You get European flavor, with the amenities
Speaker 4: of America, with the best food in the world.
Speaker 3: Why would you leave august Ship. Oh you don't like
Speaker 3: being neked?
Speaker 1: I don't work. Oh wait, what else besides the amount
Speaker 1: of hurricanes and floods?
Speaker 2: No, I just mean it be on fire, Anthony, right, yeah.
Speaker 4: You getting the pool and your cat? How whatever your
Speaker 4: casual is, wasn't getting the pool? My neighbors know me
Speaker 4: through and through.
Speaker 1: Oh why, I'm like, stop.
Speaker 3: Looking over the fence. Dog just meant for you.
Speaker 2: Stop looking over I'm not gonna make it through this.
Speaker 5: I don't think, Oh my god, all right, I don't
Speaker 5: even like I don't even feel like having a normal
Speaker 5: ass interview.
Speaker 2: Because but he deserves his flowers. So we you know,
Speaker 2: we say, I think this.
Speaker 1: Is our flowers moment. Yeah, man, for real.
Speaker 3: Come on, I knew you too long. I'm gonna be good.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, bro go ahead.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, you're good, You're straight.
Speaker 2: I'm just waiting to get to this. She hate me conversations.
Speaker 1: Oh, here we go. I want to start.
Speaker 5: What's your what's your family situation in in New Orleans?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: How many brothers and sisters or siblings?
Speaker 3: Uh? Three? Three sisters, two brothers. We all live here.
Speaker 4: You know, once you hear, but you always come back,
Speaker 4: so you know, thankfully, knock on wood.
Speaker 3: None of us have had COVID. But I'm the youngest.
Speaker 3: I'm the youngest.
Speaker 5: Okay, are they all artistically inclined or you're the only
Speaker 5: one that sort of broke the.
Speaker 4: I'm the only one they they came. Damn, if you
Speaker 4: give him a menu to read, it'll be a disaster.
Speaker 1: So what drew you to acting?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: You know what a kid do.
Speaker 4: And my teacher, you know, in the nineties, they wanted
Speaker 4: to put everybody on rig so you know, my mom,
Speaker 4: my mom came to school and was like, yo, that's
Speaker 4: a gateway drug. And I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 4: What like, what is it a gateway too? So then
Speaker 4: I got scared and instead my my uh my third
Speaker 4: grade teacher came in and was like, Yo, he's a
Speaker 4: good student, he just needs something to focus his attention.
Speaker 4: So she had me auditioned for the talented and theater
Speaker 4: program and after that I never had another problem.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had some amazing teachers in my life every
Speaker 4: step of my life. Literally, I am where I am
Speaker 4: today because of the teachers I had from myself, this
Speaker 4: great teacher all the way up.
Speaker 7: And these all teachers in New Orleans. So they had
Speaker 7: a Yeah, because we heard about music. I heard a
Speaker 7: lot about the music in New Orleans. But what's the
Speaker 7: kind of drama acting scene like locally?
Speaker 4: I mean there's Look, the acting scene is great. You know,
Speaker 4: we have a we have theaters here, we have theater
Speaker 4: groups here. You know, we've the just the art scene
Speaker 4: in generals. You know, if you look at the Marty
Speaker 4: Brow Indians, all of that is just performing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: All of us are storytellings. You know, New Orleans is
Speaker 4: a culture of storytelling. So you know, if you sit
Speaker 4: down with Wynton Marcellus and Terrence Blanchet, you see them
Speaker 4: dudes could tell a story that could wake up Debby.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a part of the culture. Man's that's all
Speaker 4: it is. Storytelling is a part of the culture. So
Speaker 4: you know, everybody here is an actor, and they all, right, uh, your.
Speaker 1: Parents, what were your what was your what were your parents? Uh?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: My mom was a housewife, dude, She just like chilled
Speaker 4: and spanked all six of us.
Speaker 3: And my dad was a contract you had a roof
Speaker 3: and company me.
Speaker 4: So you know, he with his education, became one of
Speaker 4: the most successful businessmen in the city of New Orleans.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Just all of honesty and hustle.
Speaker 4: It's literally like one of the most amazing stories you
Speaker 4: would ever think to hear from my grandfather to my
Speaker 4: dad to his six kids.
Speaker 3: You know, the amount of growth and prosperity and appreciation
Speaker 3: is the biggest thing.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: My grandfather was a share crosser, you know, so you
Speaker 4: know it was you know, It's just one of those
Speaker 4: things where I would never defile my family's name just
Speaker 4: simply because of.
Speaker 3: Who my grandfather was.
Speaker 4: Like when I got in trouble, my dad used to say,
Speaker 4: you know you were MACKI right, So you know, the
Speaker 4: validity of our name always meant something.
Speaker 3: Even when I was a child.
Speaker 4: Like when we went somewhere, I was never Anthony I
Speaker 4: was that Macki boy m hm.
Speaker 2: So it was already a standard set, and that standards
Speaker 2: seems like it has a lot to do with the
Speaker 2: roles that you seem to choose too.
Speaker 4: Oh definitely, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah. That's why I'll
Speaker 4: never use the N word on screen. That's why I
Speaker 4: choose roles in a way that people can watch learn
Speaker 4: and grow from.
Speaker 3: Yere you do. When I play a thug is a
Speaker 3: thug with substance.
Speaker 4: I don't want to just be willing Nelly out here,
Speaker 4: you know, acting like an idiot selling booty for carn Brek.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't mention one of my favorite Anthony Mackie roles.
Speaker 1: That imagery right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry, I.
Speaker 1: Didn't mean that that was so much.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've heard of selling booty.
Speaker 1: I feel like you once said that to you and
Speaker 1: that stuck with you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's somebody's grandmother's turn. Don't be out there selling
Speaker 5: My version of that was don't be out there in
Speaker 5: the corner selling wolf tickets.
Speaker 1: We had wolf tickets. That was that ship too ticket?
Speaker 1: What's that explain that? You know, like wolf tickets like bullshit?
Speaker 1: Like you don't be acting fool wolf tickets ship be right,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 5: Check you can't cash, you know, Bill, Bill, My dad
Speaker 5: was the type of person. Yes, like his goal in life,
Speaker 5: you know, like Chris Rock says, like keep your daughter
Speaker 5: off the pole. His going life for me was just
Speaker 5: to keep me from going on the corner selling wolf tickets?
Speaker 1: What's the genesis of that? Saying? Though?
Speaker 2: Who knows you're talking about? You want to find.
Speaker 1: It come from?
Speaker 5: I'm all right, we're recordings, all right, recording No, Now,
Speaker 5: I got to look up wolf.
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 4: It was some some old black dude got a dog
Speaker 4: and painted him like a wolf and sell the tickets
Speaker 4: to see his dog, and everybody when they saw it
Speaker 4: wasn't a wolf that was the origin.
Speaker 2: And that it's improv ladies.
Speaker 4: Up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, black history fact of the day fact.
Speaker 2: So can I, mister love, can I just mention why
Speaker 2: he's mentioning that role of playing thugs that just are
Speaker 2: more deeper than what you think the inep No, I
Speaker 2: was just gonna yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeahs yes,
Speaker 2: that's it.
Speaker 5: Sorry, wait a Bill to answer your question on urban dictionary,
Speaker 5: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: The often cited urban dictionary.
Speaker 5: Yes, well, yes, to try Uh, it's to try and
Speaker 5: sell a lie, either to yourself or to others.
Speaker 2: To yourself.
Speaker 4: Where I'm from, that's called marriage. I'm happy.
Speaker 1: Wow, let's go in divorce.
Speaker 3: Let's do it.
Speaker 1: Let's go in club.
Speaker 2: Yes, club?
Speaker 1: How long you how long you've been divorced? Matkiew you
Speaker 1: are you back married?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Where are you at?
Speaker 2: No? No?
Speaker 4: No, no, no no, I've been divorced four years?
Speaker 1: Four years? Okay, gotcha? What you say? Never again? Never, Anthony, Anthony,
Speaker 1: that's me. You think you think you're doing again? Or
Speaker 1: you are you good?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 4: I'm good, bro, unless it's Oprah like I mean, unless
Speaker 4: it's somebody like, unless it's Holly Berry.
Speaker 2: You don't even man j Lo.
Speaker 1: Come on, look at their history, and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's perception, Anthony.
Speaker 1: Your your favorite three? Are you doing this on purpose?
Speaker 3: I want? I want, you know, drama in your relationship?
Speaker 1: Michelle Obama?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but want cookie from good times?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I you know.
Speaker 5: I think now, especially the age that we are now,
Speaker 5: I think marriage is just finding somebody that you want
Speaker 5: to that you want to die with, like you want
Speaker 5: that's the person you want.
Speaker 4: To you know what I think, it's finding somebody that's
Speaker 4: nice like people nowadays just aren't.
Speaker 3: And you meet people that unappreciative.
Speaker 4: They're not nice no matter what it is, no matter
Speaker 4: what you do for them, it's not enough, no matter what.
Speaker 4: They always asking you for something like it's like, just
Speaker 4: meet somebody that's nice. Like, Yo, I'm outside cutting grass.
Speaker 4: You look hot. Let me bring you something to drink. Man,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like, just be nice, like
Speaker 4: take care of me the way you don't take care
Speaker 4: of other motherfuckers. I know that's a hard idea to grasp,
Speaker 4: but just being nice like you a week, go out
Speaker 4: with your boys and like stuff.
Speaker 3: Yo.
Speaker 1: Yeah that stuff was loaded.
Speaker 2: But come and take care of this when you finished
Speaker 2: with your boys. You gotta you know, that's what you're
Speaker 2: supposed to do.
Speaker 3: Don't worry about that, Okay when I leave you, When I.
Speaker 2: Go out and you have fun with your boys, you
Speaker 2: enjoy it. How that works?
Speaker 1: Even have funds a loaded definition half money to.
Speaker 2: Keep your to yourself.
Speaker 1: No, that's it, you know, that's anonymous.
Speaker 3: We sold.
Speaker 4: Our idea of having fun is sitting around talking ship
Speaker 4: about the stuff we did and having it ship.
Speaker 5: You know, my idea of having fun is silence, exist,
Speaker 5: don't don't be in the baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah, raises away for a week and it's just.
Speaker 2: Me talking ship.
Speaker 1: I love silence. I love silence.
Speaker 5: Okay, no, no, I just meant being in a relationship
Speaker 5: is you know, I'm new. I mean we're in the
Speaker 5: honeymoon phase still. So it's still like, yeah, we're still
Speaker 5: on our honeymoon phase. Like, how long has it been?
Speaker 5: Has it been it too?
Speaker 1: I don't hate her yet? Was it twenty two years?
Speaker 1: Almost two years?
Speaker 7: One of those years was a COVID year though, so
Speaker 7: that's like a year on steroids.
Speaker 1: That's like actually five years. Yeah, twenty twenty two years
Speaker 1: for three years.
Speaker 5: And I'm shocked that we survived COVID and so, you know,
Speaker 5: because a lot everyone else didn't.
Speaker 4: So they said, they said the divorce rate during COVID
Speaker 4: went up like a thousand percent. Really, it's crazy when
Speaker 4: you actually meet the person you.
Speaker 2: Married, that part.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's just strange everything exactly.
Speaker 1: It's like, yo, be nice, be nice.
Speaker 2: You gotta be nice to each.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's fair, like just be nice.
Speaker 2: It is, but it's harder than it sounds. It's just
Speaker 2: it's like with some people.
Speaker 3: For some people, yeah, for some people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, well there's nice, there's also honesty.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm to me, you can lie to me, just
Speaker 3: be nice.
Speaker 4: Please lie to me, tell me I'm the prettiest moment.
Speaker 4: I mean, please lie to me. Don't tell me the truth.
Speaker 1: How am I going to segue to Juilliard after this conversation?
Speaker 3: It's all lies.
Speaker 1: It's all lies. Juilliard's lies. It's all lies.
Speaker 2: He's in the middle of a monologue.
Speaker 3: So you know, I thought this was the truth circle.
Speaker 2: This circle, it is definitely a safe space, definitely a safe.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be all over TMZ. Anthony Maggie said, with.
Speaker 2: Y'all, they don't pay attention to quest Left Supremus tune Hurdy.
Speaker 3: Trouble.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So how did you wind up at Juilliard?
Speaker 3: You know, it was a funny story, man.
Speaker 4: There was this actor from New Orleans saying, Wendel Pearce
Speaker 4: and I met.
Speaker 3: Him, Yes, when I was fourteen year old.
Speaker 4: And when I met Wendell, Wendel showed up at school.
Speaker 4: He had on a white linen suit. He was driving
Speaker 4: a Porsche, a black push He had on a white
Speaker 4: linen Hat.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I was like, that's the cleanest black dude I've
Speaker 3: ever seen.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: And he gave a speech and I went up to
Speaker 4: him afterwards and I was like, Yo, bro yo, whatever
Speaker 4: you did, I'm gonna do wherever you went, I'm a go.
Speaker 3: He goes, all right, youngster, go sit down. I'm like,
Speaker 3: all right, bet bet So. I went to North Carolina
Speaker 3: School of the Arts. He went to Noka. I went
Speaker 3: to Nokas. He went to Juilliard. I went to Juilliard.
Speaker 4: I went there just specifically because he went there because
Speaker 4: he was such a role modeling an ambassador to the
Speaker 4: arts for me, just because he was such a talented dude.
Speaker 4: And I had never seen a black dude speak so eloquently,
Speaker 4: a black dude so like emotionally connected with his work,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, like the stuff that he
Speaker 4: was the best part about waiting to say yeah.
Speaker 3: They had two scenes yeah true.
Speaker 2: That and wait and then y'all both ended up and
Speaker 2: she hate me together exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: She just wants to rust and she hates I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't, I don't. I was just saying
Speaker 2: I would We'll go back to that you know, put
Speaker 2: a pin in it. But I just thought that now.
Speaker 5: You said that, you said that, and now I'm thinking ship.
Speaker 5: So that made an impression. So you're saying, that's seeing
Speaker 5: window and in his clean suit and his Porsche. That
Speaker 5: made an impression on you, and you were like, that's
Speaker 5: what I want to that's what I want to do.
Speaker 4: No, it was seeing him so clear because I didn't
Speaker 4: even know he had the porch until I looked out
Speaker 4: the window. And I'm not a porch dude, like if
Speaker 4: he had pulled up in a classic Mustang out and
Speaker 4: been like this guy is God, you know, but just
Speaker 4: see him, seeing him speak about the arts and the
Speaker 4: way his passion about the arts, and him being so clean, like,
Speaker 4: you know, my dad was a contractor man.
Speaker 3: My dad was a roofer. Every day my dad came home,
Speaker 3: he got his I mean, he was like I had.
Speaker 4: Never seen a dude that cleaned before, you know, And
Speaker 4: it really it really changed my perception of what a
Speaker 4: man was, because to me, a man was a dude
Speaker 4: who went out and had dirt under his nails and
Speaker 4: you know, bust his ass for his family and really
Speaker 4: made sure that.
Speaker 3: His house was an arm And I didn't know. I
Speaker 3: thought only white dues could do that in a suit.
Speaker 1: M Wow. See now damn, And you said that.
Speaker 5: Now I'm all messed up because whenever I go to Philly, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I I I purposely try to do the opposite, Like
Speaker 5: I drive the bummy.
Speaker 1: Car and the key.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to do this down the earth, blue collar
Speaker 5: musician thing. And I thought that that would make more
Speaker 5: of an impression than you.
Speaker 3: Know, I think was especially with kids. Kids want to see.
Speaker 4: That's why like people in you know, everybody in the
Speaker 4: music industry and everybody who kids try to emulate, they.
Speaker 3: Try to emulate them because they look like they got it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: That's why women, that's why you know, little girls are
Speaker 4: asking for these you know, drag queen eyelashes because you know,
Speaker 4: that's that's the idea becauld think that's the look of
Speaker 4: when you got it, you know. And my thing was
Speaker 4: my dad had it, you know. But when I looked
Speaker 4: at window, like I saw window and he had it.
Speaker 3: Hm.
Speaker 4: You know, his education level, you know, everything about him, dude,
Speaker 4: like to this day, like I talked to him last
Speaker 4: week before he left for Europe, and everything about this
Speaker 4: dude just exudes confidence.
Speaker 3: And success. You know, yeah, like if there's if there's
Speaker 3: a generation of Latin X these black acts.
Speaker 2: No, you're right, he definitely needs to get more flowers
Speaker 2: out loud.
Speaker 1: You're right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Can I ask you about that class of Juilliard because
Speaker 2: it's interesting it seems like there's a slew of folks
Speaker 2: that came out of Juilliard from your year and like
Speaker 2: either the following or the pre like from I was
Speaker 2: thinking about Nelson Ellis from True Blood to My Girl
Speaker 2: from Power, Uh, lawd, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 2: so can you talk about that and if y'all could
Speaker 2: connected and circle ever circle back in life?
Speaker 3: I mean, of course, you know.
Speaker 4: The great thing about it is our class was probably
Speaker 4: the first well I would.
Speaker 2: Say routinam Sorry, yes.
Speaker 3: Rotina Wesley.
Speaker 4: Our class was definitely the first diverse class at Juilliard.
Speaker 3: We had five black people, we had a Native American,
Speaker 3: we had an Asian. I mean twenty people, you know,
Speaker 3: eight of us were from decent.
Speaker 4: You know, so we were definitely the most the first
Speaker 4: and the most diverse clas as at Julliard ever. And
Speaker 4: because of that, we were able to do things that
Speaker 4: other classes weren't able to do. Like, I first got
Speaker 4: recognition by playing Tupac off Bro and that was the
Speaker 4: play we developed at Julliard.
Speaker 3: You know, we did that play at Juilliard first because
Speaker 3: it was in the New York Times.
Speaker 4: You know, who would expect Juliard students to be able
Speaker 4: to do a play about Tupac? And I'm like, so,
Speaker 4: why is acting the only career where you're limited by
Speaker 4: your level of education?
Speaker 2: Like, the more that you have, the less.
Speaker 4: No no, no, no no. The more you have, the
Speaker 4: less black you are.
Speaker 2: The less black you are.
Speaker 4: Thank you go ahead and say it, the less black
Speaker 4: you are. And that's the problem. That's the whole situation. Oh,
Speaker 4: that's the whole situation that really confuses me. You know,
Speaker 4: if you're a black person with any substance, depth, and
Speaker 4: weight you looked upon as fake, phony or not black.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 4: There's been times when I've gone in auditions and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you ain't black, you went too Julia, or.
Speaker 3: I won't say the person's name who told me that.
Speaker 4: But you know, that's happened to me a few times
Speaker 4: in my career, you know, but we don't look at
Speaker 4: it that way, And that's the sad scary part if
Speaker 4: you went to Julia or now you're not real. We
Speaker 4: got to go get somebody that shot seventeen people and
Speaker 4: can actually smoke weed on set.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, some of them commercials messed that up. When
Speaker 2: you see the commercials where the people are speaking that
Speaker 2: urban thing and then they do the behind the scenes
Speaker 2: and they're speaking proper and you're like, I think those
Speaker 2: kind of Yeah.
Speaker 5: Can you talk about well, before before you started eight Mile,
Speaker 5: you were in a string of August Wilson place. Was
Speaker 5: that just strictly for how did you get involved in
Speaker 5: those projects?
Speaker 1: Were they juliarp or later?
Speaker 3: Or was this no?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no no, that was just out of love
Speaker 4: for August. I mean, you know, Piano Lesson was one
Speaker 4: of the first place I saw and it literally changed
Speaker 4: my life and changed my relationship with my father because
Speaker 4: I didn't understand him until I saw Piano Lessons, you know.
Speaker 4: So as a dear friend and someone who had a
Speaker 4: lasting impact on my life, and that's why I named
Speaker 4: my third son August, because of you know, his inability
Speaker 4: to concede. You know, I mean, he did something no
Speaker 4: other writer on earth is done. He documented a cultural uh,
Speaker 4: he documented a culture of people for one hundred years.
Speaker 4: Mm hm, and nobody gives them props. Nobody talks about it.
Speaker 4: You know, it is heartbreaking at the same time, you know,
Speaker 4: that's our fault.
Speaker 2: So f folks giving props, but maybe not enough.
Speaker 3: Maybe they gave him a stamp.
Speaker 2: But it depends on what you feel like props are.
Speaker 2: If you feel like, like, do you feel like the
Speaker 2: black community knows who he is? Do you feel like
Speaker 2: the world should know? In the world does, but the
Speaker 2: theater world knows. It's kind of It's interesting in that
Speaker 2: way because I'm like, I feel like August Wilson has
Speaker 2: been a part of the conversation for a while now,
Speaker 2: depending on what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: He's been a part of the conversation now.
Speaker 4: For I would say that piano lesson since No, No, No,
Speaker 4: since Denzel. That's then all of a sudden, it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: we need to read this book. Oh, this should be requiring.
Speaker 4: Oh and it's like, you know, when he was alive,
Speaker 4: nobody gave him that They had been trying to make
Speaker 4: a movie.
Speaker 3: When he was alive. Yeah, you're right, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. So he deserves that man truth, you know,
Speaker 3: for all tenements to be done.
Speaker 1: What was it about the piano lesson that helps you
Speaker 1: understand your dad?
Speaker 4: I never realized the day to day struggles and hardships
Speaker 4: of a black man once he left the house.
Speaker 3: At the time he got back to my house, you know.
Speaker 4: My dad had the big borrow still fight and kill
Speaker 4: to make sure our roof was over our head as kids,
Speaker 4: and then he had to come home and deal with us.
Speaker 4: There was six of months and my mom and whoever
Speaker 4: else was in the house, you know. And I always
Speaker 4: thought he was just a mean old dude. I always
Speaker 4: thought he was just a detached old dude. But no
Speaker 4: a month like, I always wondered why my dad would
Speaker 4: pull up to the house and sit in his truck
Speaker 4: for thirty minutes before coming in.
Speaker 7: So man, listen, I do it to this day, I
Speaker 7: do it right the black man driveway sitting right now.
Speaker 1: That is a real.
Speaker 5: Thing, the only one in Loan Like sometimes you just
Speaker 5: got sit in your car for twenty five minutes so
Speaker 5: you can just I literally thought that was just.
Speaker 1: Me, no, not alone, but that is us is And.
Speaker 3: I never I never got that until I saw fences.
Speaker 4: When I saw you know what, Troy Maxim had to
Speaker 4: go through the hardships and decay that he had suffered,
Speaker 4: the experience and bastardizing of his masculinity he went through every.
Speaker 3: Day, and then he had to come home and deal
Speaker 3: with his families, and.
Speaker 2: Then his family had to come and deal with him.
Speaker 4: That a man, that's a byproduct of everything that he
Speaker 4: had to go through.
Speaker 2: Yes day, I thought about that when you were talking
Speaker 2: about your father and Wendell Pierce, and I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, not for nothing. It's a privilege. And even
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, depending on how old you are,
Speaker 2: it's a privilege to be like emotionally evolved and all
Speaker 2: and all black men didn't have that privilege. And I
Speaker 2: thought about your dad, and I was like, your dad
Speaker 2: probably didn't have the privilege that Wendell had had to
Speaker 2: be vulnerable to show emotion, to do the things that
Speaker 2: required for you know, for acting and things, because I.
Speaker 4: Don't know, Yeah, my dad, like I said, my dad
Speaker 4: got kicked out of school in eighth grade. Like my dad,
Speaker 4: you know, was born in the forties, so it was
Speaker 4: a different time, you know, we didn't, you know. Benjamin E. Mays,
Speaker 4: who was the president of Morehouse College, said our grandparents
Speaker 4: studied agriculture so that our parents can study math and science,
Speaker 4: so that we can study arts and literate philosophy. Right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: my grandfather and now I think about that. My grandfather
Speaker 4: was a sharecrop and Eddie was a contractor. And I'm
Speaker 4: a fucking actor. That's lineage. So my dad took bullets
Speaker 4: and my dad took so much shit just so I
Speaker 4: can sit here and be a goofy dude, fucking actor,
Speaker 4: just so I can sit around and taste the coffee
Speaker 4: in a classroom, you know what I mean. So it's
Speaker 4: just when you look at it that way, I can't
Speaker 4: get in no movie and start talking about in word
Speaker 4: this in word that. I can't get no movie and
Speaker 4: jeopardize the legacy of my dad and my grandfather and
Speaker 4: everything they put into me.
Speaker 3: Hell no, you can't do that.
Speaker 4: That's why when you when I see these T shirts,
Speaker 4: you know, I am not my ancestors hashtag these hands.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I see them online. It's it's corny, it's fucking cool.
Speaker 2: I am not my ancestor. There's that is opposite of
Speaker 2: what black people should be saying.
Speaker 4: That's one hundred percent, one hundred percent. But I mean
Speaker 4: that's the generational thing. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, eyelashes and hookahs.
Speaker 3: That's what I call.
Speaker 2: How old is your oldest kid, Anthony?
Speaker 3: Uh, fifty not fifty eight? Fifty eight?
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fine because I know, I know you're dealing
Speaker 2: with it and whatever.
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 3: The ages every day, all day, TikTok the oldest kids,
Speaker 3: he's eleven. I thought you said my oldest sister.
Speaker 2: Oh no, okay, I thought you was joking, and you
Speaker 2: would didn't want to tell.
Speaker 3: Me he's eleven.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're good, okay. Me and you were cool?
Speaker 3: Okay, Oh girl.
Speaker 1: So before y'all weren't cool, I thought aggressive exactly.
Speaker 3: That fans just that fair.
Speaker 5: So when you came to New York, did you when
Speaker 5: did you officially start pounding the payment As far as
Speaker 5: auditions are concerned with movies, Like, at what point did
Speaker 5: you decide like, okay, I should get an agent, I
Speaker 5: should do.
Speaker 3: Movies, you know, going to Juilliard.
Speaker 4: To be honest, the agents come to us, we have auditions,
Speaker 4: and they invite all the agents.
Speaker 2: Is there an active craft? I was about to say,
Speaker 2: what does it look like? No, this is seriously fascinated
Speaker 2: by Juilliard in especially I.
Speaker 5: Got accepted to Juilliard and couldn't afford to go, So
Speaker 5: I'm kind of like living through you right now.
Speaker 3: Well I think you uh, I think you did all right,
Speaker 3: So you're.
Speaker 1: Singing that already agents come to see, like who's.
Speaker 4: We do something called the consortium audition, and basically you
Speaker 4: prepare two scenes and they pair you up with someone
Speaker 4: and the agents come.
Speaker 3: They watch the scenes, and then we do a repertory season.
Speaker 3: So the agents come and they're interested in you, and
Speaker 3: they watch your plays in the repertory season. That's when
Speaker 3: you get a meeting with whatever agent is interested in you.
Speaker 4: Now, the interesting thing is some people get no agents
Speaker 4: and some people get all the agents, so you know,
Speaker 4: and then there are the people in between. I was
Speaker 4: one of those like in between people.
Speaker 3: I didn't have a bunch of agents, but I didn't
Speaker 3: have no agents.
Speaker 4: But the agent that I got with, you know in
Speaker 4: two thousand and one, that's the same person.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's what's up? What is it about one thing?
Speaker 7: I always wanted to know, what is it about Juilliard
Speaker 7: that makes it such a great school?
Speaker 1: And like, what did you learn? What are some of
Speaker 1: the things you learned there about acting?
Speaker 7: That you still apply to your career today.
Speaker 4: You know, the great thing about Julliard was at that
Speaker 4: time there was no technique, Like, we didn't study Meisner,
Speaker 4: we didn't study any of the acting techniques. We literally
Speaker 4: they developed a curriculum where you built your character from
Speaker 4: yourself and your life experiences. Then you layer things on
Speaker 4: that character through movement. Then you layer things on that
Speaker 4: character as far as the way he talks. Then you
Speaker 4: layer things physicality onto that character, you know, prosthetics, hair wardrobe, whatever,
Speaker 4: and then when you look in the mirror, it's a
Speaker 4: completely different person because he moves different, he sounds different,
Speaker 4: he acts different than you do.
Speaker 3: It was never an idea of technique, you know.
Speaker 4: You know because you go to school from now on
Speaker 4: your second year in you realize mais and it doesn't
Speaker 4: work for you.
Speaker 3: You have to start.
Speaker 4: But if you start from yourself, you build from yourself,
Speaker 4: you'll always be able to create an honest character because
Speaker 4: you started with yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's from you, Yes, it was.
Speaker 4: You know, And that's why you can always tell when
Speaker 4: motherfucker's are acting. Like when you saw Bernie mack and life,
Speaker 4: he wasn't acting. He was that dude.
Speaker 3: You know, but there's a certain others.
Speaker 4: There were certain other people who tried to imitate that,
Speaker 4: and you can tell they were acting because they had
Speaker 4: no substance background with that character.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Damn.
Speaker 5: So when you get a role, uh uh do you
Speaker 5: have to go through that process where you write a
Speaker 5: six page biography of what your character was and you know,
Speaker 5: it's like I heard the exercise of writing a complete
Speaker 5: biography of what your character.
Speaker 3: Was born family, nobody, nobody do that. Ship the.
Speaker 5: Quest is the show that everyone just knocks the.
Speaker 1: Ship man.
Speaker 3: Like graduated.
Speaker 1: A c K.
Speaker 7: But I came here to act, right Dowsis statements ship Holly.
Speaker 1: Actors do that though, so you don't, some dude.
Speaker 3: I for me is different.
Speaker 4: The first thing I do is I read the script
Speaker 4: and I break it down three three ways, because life
Speaker 4: is about perception.
Speaker 3: It's not about how you act. It's about how people
Speaker 3: perceive your acts. So if I say it.
Speaker 4: And I meant to sincerely, but you perceive it, it's sarcasting.
Speaker 4: Your feelings are hurt, but I meant to sincerely. So
Speaker 4: even though I was trying to be nice, it don't matter.
Speaker 4: You took it as me being an asshole. So now
Speaker 4: in that reality, I'm an asshole because that's.
Speaker 1: Your perception versus intent.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 4: So that being said, when I get a script, I
Speaker 4: read it in three different perspectives. First, when I get
Speaker 4: a script, I tell my agents don't tell me who
Speaker 4: I'm playing, because you know, I want to read the
Speaker 4: script for the story. If the story don't work, if
Speaker 4: the characters don't work, I'm not doing it. So when
Speaker 4: you read a script, you read it from the perspective
Speaker 4: of the writer, which no character delineage is involved. Get
Speaker 4: it from the perspective of your character, and then you
Speaker 4: read it from the perspective of the other characters talking
Speaker 4: about you, and you highlight your three different colors because
Speaker 4: then you know, if you're walking down the street and
Speaker 4: you're like, you know, you walk up to a girl
Speaker 4: and you're like, hey, how you doing. That's when while
Speaker 4: you're walking down the street, they cut to two girls
Speaker 4: across the street and they're like, look at that old
Speaker 4: goofy motherfucker walking down the street.
Speaker 3: So you know, you walking goofy, you don't look cool.
Speaker 3: You look goofy, right right right right, So that affects
Speaker 3: the way you walk. That affects the way you handle
Speaker 3: that moment. So the best information you get in the
Speaker 3: script is what the writer says about you. So if
Speaker 3: you read a script from the writer's perspective and they
Speaker 3: say he walk into a room, mug face, sullen, and
Speaker 3: his first line is oh, I'm so hungry, you know
Speaker 3: exactly the emotion to put on that line when you
Speaker 3: say it, You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So you have the three different perspectives of how you
Speaker 4: read the script. Then once I feel like I have
Speaker 4: a grasping idea of the emotional state of the character,
Speaker 4: I find a piece of art, I find a song,
Speaker 4: and I find clothing that I feel capture the essence.
Speaker 3: Of the character. I always I buy a piece of
Speaker 3: art for every movie I do.
Speaker 7: What was the What was your in terms of you know,
Speaker 7: you talk about finding yourself inside a character.
Speaker 1: Where were you in your character for the hurt Locker?
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 4: The hurt Locker is a great question, hurt The hurt
Speaker 4: Locker was interesting because for me, the racial.
Speaker 3: Dynamic played everything about that you have a black.
Speaker 4: So just trying to make it home to his family
Speaker 4: and trying to make it Who's trying to make his
Speaker 4: life better so he can.
Speaker 3: Use his gi Biel and go to college. That's the
Speaker 3: way I played it.
Speaker 4: That's the character I developed because he wanted to go
Speaker 4: to engineering school because if you look at Bond text,
Speaker 4: they're very smart guys.
Speaker 3: I mean, these guys go to be Georgia Tech, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean.
Speaker 4: He's a dude who went to undergraduate school and state school,
Speaker 4: went became a bomb tech, and now he's hoping to
Speaker 4: get back home so he can go to MIT or
Speaker 4: you know, Georgia Tech and become an engineer so he
Speaker 4: can do better for his family. That's when he don't
Speaker 4: have the privilege to come and goofall and do all
Speaker 4: this shit like the white dude, you know. And once
Speaker 4: again it's an example of a white getting privilege just
Speaker 4: simply because of who he is. So that that arrogant,
Speaker 4: that dynamic of frustration is what pushed sam Born to
Speaker 4: the point where he was like, I might just kill
Speaker 4: a sponsor. If it stands between me and him going home,
Speaker 4: I will kill him.
Speaker 7: How much of that for that particular movie, how much
Speaker 7: of that is you bring into it versus what Catherine
Speaker 7: is like kind of directing you to do.
Speaker 4: Oh, that was one hundred percent my Juilliard experience. But
Speaker 4: oh yeah, when I read that script, I was like,
Speaker 4: this is Juliard. Yeah, I'm getting my ass kicked and
Speaker 4: bust and work in my fucking ass off laying under
Speaker 4: a piano so I can work on tune in my
Speaker 4: ears so I could hear different accents and sounds.
Speaker 3: And this is mofuck. Ain't even bringing scenes in classes.
Speaker 3: He's the leader of late. He's the lead. And I
Speaker 3: never got to lead my entire time was there. The
Speaker 3: only time I got to lead when I was at
Speaker 3: julia Art was when I created it. I get it.
Speaker 3: I get it one time. Shame on you?
Speaker 1: What was what?
Speaker 2: What was the song? What was your song? For hurt Locker?
Speaker 1: What was it?
Speaker 3: Remember you know what it was? What was it? I
Speaker 3: the piece of art.
Speaker 4: I got a h Jacob Lawrence painting called Funeral Procession
Speaker 4: in which literally took my whole herd Locker check here,
Speaker 4: I mean, but it's as.
Speaker 3: You can't you can't.
Speaker 4: Note, you know I got a piece called Funeral Procession
Speaker 4: because you know when when I when I at that
Speaker 4: piece and I thought about the dignity of this man
Speaker 4: coming home and his mama taking him to church and
Speaker 4: saying look, my baby made it through the war. You
Speaker 4: know how important is that to a soldier for his
Speaker 4: mama to see her baby coming up the drive man?
Speaker 2: You know the famous yeah, the house, Yeah, the whole
Speaker 2: episode on it.
Speaker 4: And the song. I can't remember the song. I remember
Speaker 4: it was a Tupac song because all I listened to
Speaker 4: was Tupac, but I can't remember which one it was.
Speaker 4: I'm sure it had a you know, motherfucker kicks ship. Now,
Speaker 4: something about that.
Speaker 1: Wenes I wish. I wish they would have known.
Speaker 7: I wish they would have said something because in the
Speaker 7: marketing for Notorious, because when I saw Notorious, and I
Speaker 7: mean I had seen you in a lot of stuff,
Speaker 7: proud of that, but I was like, yo, why did
Speaker 7: they cast Anthony Mackie's pot Like that didn't make sense
Speaker 7: to me. They gave you the backstory is yeah, but
Speaker 7: now what I'm hearing and something like damn, why didn't
Speaker 7: they make it a little bit in the press but
Speaker 7: not context?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because because that would have set it up.
Speaker 7: That would have set you up so much better, in
Speaker 7: my opinion, just to give context as to why you
Speaker 7: were playing that role.
Speaker 3: The interesting thing about Tac, because my first job.
Speaker 4: Like I said, I played Tupac off Broadway and his
Speaker 4: mama came, and his sister came, and all his boys came,
Speaker 4: and they were like, yo, you killed that ship. So
Speaker 4: when they said that, nobody else's opinion matters. Like the
Speaker 4: biggest thing, the biggest.
Speaker 3: Thing I got from people about Notorious was he don't look.
Speaker 4: Like And I'm like, if that's the only thing you
Speaker 4: can say, then I won food.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: One if you can say, oh, he was good, but
Speaker 3: it don't look like all right, fine, you go cast
Speaker 3: somebody that looked like see how that was? Yeah, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And they do that so much like they cast people
Speaker 4: that can sing and can act, and then you see
Speaker 4: the movie and it's like, like, why didn't he just
Speaker 4: cast somebody who could act and dubbed the singers?
Speaker 1: Uh, you're right, yep, you're right.
Speaker 4: You know if all of us was Jennifer Hudson, she
Speaker 4: wouldn't be special.
Speaker 5: Can you talk about the process that led up to
Speaker 5: what I'm assuming is your first film, which is eight Mile. Yeah,
Speaker 5: at the time when it was presented to you.
Speaker 1: Papa Doc. Yeah, at the time when it was presented
Speaker 1: to you, did you.
Speaker 5: Think that this would be Oscar caliber and critically acclaimed,
Speaker 5: because even even when I heard about the rumors of
Speaker 5: eight Mile happening, I think in my mind I just
Speaker 5: filed it in the kind of somewhere in between Doctor
Speaker 5: Dre's the Wash and the Brain. Yeah, Miss Voice. At
Speaker 5: the time, it's just like Eminem's doing a movie. Okay, cool,
Speaker 5: But you know, I was shocked that, you know, everyone
Speaker 5: it was it was.
Speaker 1: I was shocked that it was great.
Speaker 5: So you know, what was the process of of you
Speaker 5: getting the role, like the audition process?
Speaker 4: And well, the ironic thing was so I had just
Speaker 4: got out of school. My first movie I did was
Speaker 4: this movie called Brother or Brother, which to me is
Speaker 4: some of the best acting or the best acting I've
Speaker 4: done in my career, which is sad to say because
Speaker 4: it was my first fucking movie.
Speaker 1: But now I'm going to ask you about that. I'm
Speaker 1: going to ask you about that.
Speaker 4: When I was doing Tubac off off Broadway at New
Speaker 4: York Theater Workshout, and this woman, Molly Finn, God Rest
Speaker 4: her soul, one of the best casting agents in the business,
Speaker 4: came to see the play.
Speaker 3: Because she was doing a movie about hip hop.
Speaker 4: She came back stage afterwards and was like, you know,
Speaker 4: I want you to audition for the movie.
Speaker 3: She called my age Curtis.
Speaker 4: So when I read the script, the script was very
Speaker 4: different than the way it is in the movie.
Speaker 3: The script was very very.
Speaker 4: Different, like Scott Silver like, we we completely rewrote that script,
Speaker 4: Eminem and Makaiya completely rewrote that script.
Speaker 3: Every day before we walked on set. But it became
Speaker 3: his truth.
Speaker 4: You know, everything about that movie was truth, even his
Speaker 4: battle against me, calling me Clarence because my parents had
Speaker 4: a good.
Speaker 3: Marriage, I went to private school.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: He just used those facts from your actual life against
Speaker 5: you and.
Speaker 4: Wrote a rap about Wow. That's why I was so
Speaker 4: mad at the end.
Speaker 3: I was like, am I gonna have to sneak in
Speaker 3: anem on stage.
Speaker 1: And you and you didn't know that he had written
Speaker 1: that before. You didn't know it until you heard it.
Speaker 4: No, he came up to me before and he was like, yo,
Speaker 4: you know, I just wanted to warn you, like there's
Speaker 4: no reason for me not to like your character, Like
Speaker 4: your character is a cool.
Speaker 3: Dude, Like you a cool dude. I was like thanks.
Speaker 3: He was like, so, you know, I went online got
Speaker 3: some stuff, and you know, I wrote a rap. Hey,
Speaker 3: I wrote a rap and you know I'm gonna do
Speaker 3: it when we, you know, get on stage.
Speaker 1: I was like, that was a warning dope, man, that's
Speaker 1: all you get. Wow, that's it.
Speaker 4: Oh then he opened his fucking mouth and I was like, this.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker, how many takes was that?
Speaker 3: Uh? One?
Speaker 4: Because the crazy thing about the wrap back of the
Speaker 4: rap battle scene him and it was sick, so he
Speaker 4: couldn't do a lot of takes, so he literally did
Speaker 4: it in one take and then after that it was
Speaker 4: just like him lipping it and like doing the motions
Speaker 4: and they would play it back on the speaker. But
Speaker 4: the ship he did like that, And anybody will tell you.
Speaker 4: When we did that rap battle scene, they literally brought
Speaker 4: in like three hundred people in this stage they built.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 1: They were and Detroit.
Speaker 4: It was supposed to be the st Andrews, but this
Speaker 4: was a room that they built on the stage, right,
Speaker 4: So they bring us in there and everybody else was
Speaker 4: like a budding rapper. So everybody was looking at me like, Yo,
Speaker 4: how the fuck they cast this dude to play a rapper?
Speaker 4: Were gonna suck him up when we wrapped? And I'm like, uh,
Speaker 4: we're acting sir, so.
Speaker 3: We're acting. Curtis Hansen was like, Yo, you know.
Speaker 4: We need some b roll of people rapping against him
Speaker 4: and them so we can see him working his way
Speaker 4: up the ladder of beating people. So we're gonna, you know,
Speaker 4: we need six of you guys to come up in
Speaker 4: freestyle against him. He's not gonna say anything because he's
Speaker 4: feeling kind of the weather under the weather.
Speaker 3: We just need footage of you, like rapping against him.
Speaker 4: So these six motherfuckers got up and the first dude
Speaker 4: got up and was like, blah blah blah blah, you
Speaker 4: suck blah blah blah, and the audience was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: go yeah.
Speaker 3: Second person got up and it was a little chick,
Speaker 3: and a little chick gave Eminem his lunch and when
Speaker 3: she finished, the crowd went crazy. It was like a rap.
Speaker 3: It was. It was the Apallo in this mock. It
Speaker 3: was crazy. So then Eminem looked at the crowd and
Speaker 3: looked at her and was like, nah, funk this. He
Speaker 3: turned the mic and you see the little girl face like,
Speaker 3: what are you doing? You're not supposed to what do
Speaker 3: you do? Yo? In off the domes heshit, I mean.
Speaker 4: Literally he finished this girl to a point. I'm sure
Speaker 4: she went and became a nurse and gave him.
Speaker 3: And then the next dude gets up and he's like, oh,
Speaker 3: ship Emine.
Speaker 4: Was like okay, and I like your rhymes.
Speaker 5: So when when they were doing b roll were they
Speaker 5: were they addressing him as rabbit but just kind of
Speaker 5: suddenly using uh emine references that you.
Speaker 4: Know exactly they were talking about because you know, they
Speaker 4: were talking about him as eminems but they were like, yo,
Speaker 4: you know when you talk about him, you know, talk
Speaker 4: about him as rabbit, not as eminem. So they're like
Speaker 4: cool because you know, all these.
Speaker 3: Two really talented rappers, So they were just coming off
Speaker 3: their head, like for freestyle ship.
Speaker 4: Man, Mike, that was it.
Speaker 3: It was it. It was dumb.
Speaker 1: Did you did you not fear?
Speaker 5: But were you concerned that you actually had to prep
Speaker 5: as a freestyle MC to nail this role?
Speaker 4: I'll tell you, Like I told Curtis Hanson, I was like,
Speaker 4: you give me a week, I could fly helicopter. So
Speaker 4: he was he was like, he was like, because when
Speaker 4: I first got the role, it's what was funny.
Speaker 3: I only had four lines.
Speaker 4: And three singles, and I was only supposed to be
Speaker 4: there a week, and the longer I was there, Curtis
Speaker 4: started developing a role because we got along together so well.
Speaker 4: He started giving me more sings. Then he was like, yo,
Speaker 4: can you stay longer?
Speaker 3: I was like, hell, yeah, I ain't got no job.
Speaker 4: So I literally stayed there and then he comes up
Speaker 4: to me one day and he's like, yo, Anthony, can
Speaker 4: you rap? And I'm like yep, I'm like can you rap?
Speaker 3: Can they read Shakespeare? Nor so?
Speaker 1: Wait? You wrote your rhyme during that battle?
Speaker 3: No, there was this uh, this uh freestyle rapper named Craigs.
Speaker 1: He was the one that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, we worked together and I gave him. I
Speaker 3: gave him some ship and he took it and made
Speaker 3: it into a rap. Because when I did it, it
Speaker 3: was like, yo, yo, check it, check it.
Speaker 1: Yo, yo. That ship to get you killed in the battle,
Speaker 1: you got to come right off. You gotta come right
Speaker 1: off with it.
Speaker 2: It's like jumping.
Speaker 1: Wait, can I ask is yo? Yo? Uh? The black
Speaker 1: version of well my name is done? And I'm here
Speaker 1: to say here to say right right straight up, stalling bro.
Speaker 4: I said, yo, check it for like sixteen balls. This
Speaker 4: motherfucker's like, all right, sit down. But he really, you know,
Speaker 4: we sat down for like forty five minutes and really
Speaker 4: crafted some ship where I could get you know, grid
Speaker 4: me in emotional with it and really show like the
Speaker 4: skills of Poppa Doc as a as a battle rap,
Speaker 4: as a freestyle wrapper. And you know, so I owe
Speaker 4: it all to him. I mean, if it wasn't him,
Speaker 4: out looked like booty up him.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, so I have I have a question
Speaker 5: about Brother the brother. So, of course, now in twenty
Speaker 5: twenty or twenty twenty one, we're slowly becoming more evolved
Speaker 5: when when dealing with people who are culturally different than
Speaker 5: the rest of the world. Your character was a homosexual
Speaker 5: in this film, so you know, I remember distinctly an
Speaker 5: interview that Will Smith gave in which he said that
Speaker 5: Denzel told him.
Speaker 3: Right would end his career.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: He gave him a warning about six degrees and said that,
Speaker 5: you know, be careful how you play this role because
Speaker 5: this could destroy your career where you know. Of course,
Speaker 5: now again we're inching towards being evolved as humans in
Speaker 5: twenty twenty one, but back in two thousand and four
Speaker 5: we weren't quite there. So how difficult or or hard
Speaker 5: was it to accept this role as you're the first,
Speaker 5: so technically you're saying that this is the first movie
Speaker 5: that you made, even though eight Mile came out first.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, So I asked for that role. The young
Speaker 4: man Rodney Evans, who wrote Brother to Brother, he offered
Speaker 4: me the role of the poet that was played by
Speaker 4: Larry Gillier because he felt like you needed a gay
Speaker 4: man to play.
Speaker 3: The gay role.
Speaker 4: He was like, you played Tupac, There's no way you
Speaker 4: can play a gay character.
Speaker 3: What. I went to Juilliard, So I literally said, I
Speaker 3: went to Julliard. I read a scene for him, and
Speaker 3: he was like, all right, I'll give you the role.
Speaker 3: You can play the role.
Speaker 4: And you know what was weird, Like when I was
Speaker 4: in school, I realized that I was a sexist homophobia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a whole black man in the nineties.
Speaker 1: What made you realize that.
Speaker 3: There was this act?
Speaker 4: My freshman summer, I went to Chautauqua, New York to
Speaker 4: do a Shakespeare and I said something stupid about my gay.
Speaker 3: Teacher, and this other actor came up to me and
Speaker 3: set me straight.
Speaker 4: You know, I just felt like less than a human
Speaker 4: being for even looking at it, think for thinking it
Speaker 4: was okay to look at another human being that.
Speaker 3: Way just because of their sexual preference. And I was ashamed.
Speaker 3: I was literally ashamed of myself.
Speaker 4: And it took me those three years to exercise that
Speaker 4: demon And the culmination of that was when I read
Speaker 4: brother or Brother, I look, look, if I'm an actor, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I.
Speaker 4: Need to play this role so that I can understand
Speaker 4: the day to day struggles or what a young gay
Speaker 4: black man gohoes?
Speaker 1: And did that role help you understand that?
Speaker 3: It changed my life. It changed my perspective on life.
Speaker 2: So talk about that in relation to your Black Mirror
Speaker 2: episode Striking Vipers, because that was like next level. It
Speaker 2: was decades.
Speaker 1: Afterwards that also went in the direction I.
Speaker 2: Did not, and it didn't, but I was. I was
Speaker 2: so here for it because it was I mean, it's back.
Speaker 2: So it always makes you think differently and it always
Speaker 2: makes you think this shit could happen. So I was
Speaker 2: here for these two black men having this this beautiful moment.
Speaker 2: I don't know what do you? What are you saying?
Speaker 4: The idea of striking vipers, which was so funny. It's
Speaker 4: the point of cential romance. Every dude would agree when
Speaker 4: you out with your boys and you're having a good
Speaker 4: time and your girl call, You're.
Speaker 3: Like, fuck, give me a minute, and you jumping.
Speaker 1: At the top. They were out having with my boys, right,
Speaker 1: I'm just killing.
Speaker 3: And then she's like come home.
Speaker 4: You're like, damn, I don't want to leave my boys
Speaker 4: because I'm having so much fun, you know. So it's
Speaker 4: the same thing with Striking Vipers. It's just they took
Speaker 4: it in a virtual sense. And the funny thing about
Speaker 4: it was when I read for Striking Vipers, it was
Speaker 4: supposed to be two white dudes. Then the director was like,
Speaker 4: maybe it could be a white dude and a black dude,
Speaker 4: and then one to the director. The director was like,
Speaker 4: I've of homosexuality in the black community. Wouldn't we fuck
Speaker 4: people up if we do it with two black dudes?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: And I was like, yes you would.
Speaker 4: And he's like, I think black people need to see this,
Speaker 4: and I was like, yes, they do.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 4: It was literally this little white European director who was like, Yo,
Speaker 4: I'm putting this shit out there on blacks.
Speaker 2: Yo, and the two actors and it's so dope too,
Speaker 2: because it could have been too perfect. Act as you
Speaker 2: and y'a. I like, especially the perception and the roles
Speaker 2: that y'all have already paid in the past. So that's
Speaker 2: why that reaction with Fonte was probably how everybody felt
Speaker 2: because they would have never imagined these two actors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I didn't see that that episode going in
Speaker 1: that direction.
Speaker 4: Was sitting on in the airport and there was a
Speaker 4: dude sitting across from me playing his low like Nintendo switch, right,
Speaker 4: So he's playing his switch and he looks up and
Speaker 4: he sees my face and he's like, yo.
Speaker 3: He turned his switched off and put it in his bag.
Speaker 2: Because because not for nothing have you have you heard
Speaker 2: any feedback from any especially gay black man. I have
Speaker 2: a gay black brother that talks about this episode. He's
Speaker 2: a fan. He's a big marble head anyway, so he's
Speaker 2: Anny Mackie fan. But for him it meant something different
Speaker 2: as well. So I was curious if you got any
Speaker 2: feedback about that.
Speaker 1: You know, well, time out, time out, Time out, Margaret,
Speaker 1: you have a brother.
Speaker 2: A black you know, my play brother black people?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 5: Good lies man. We all asked the question Wolf tickets
Speaker 5: and ship. You know, it was just five years into
Speaker 5: the show. I'm like, wait a minute, you have a brother,
Speaker 5: you have a sibling right now?
Speaker 2: No, all only children got a bunch of fake brothers
Speaker 2: and sisters. That's just what we do.
Speaker 1: Sorry.
Speaker 3: I only clean my own good And that's why I
Speaker 3: did the episode because I expected that, like I okay,
Speaker 3: the conversation, the acknowledgement, the feedback, appreciation, and no, I
Speaker 3: haven't got that at all.
Speaker 4: If anything, I've gotten the direct opposite.
Speaker 1: What do you mean, are black people watching Black Mirror?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, that's why it's called Black Mirror at least.
Speaker 2: At least at least a black museum. That was the
Speaker 2: whole Black Museum season.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: But what was the other reaction that you've been getting?
Speaker 4: Just like, you know, a lot of negative no, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's interesting the the the connotation of you know, negative
Speaker 3: feedback as far as you know, you know, questioning if
Speaker 3: one I was gay, you know, their opinion of what
Speaker 3: homosexuality was, uh, their opinion of what.
Speaker 4: You know it means, which is something I definitely expected
Speaker 4: and was ready to question and strike down as soon
Speaker 4: as conversation came up. But I was just surprised by
Speaker 4: the fact that, you know, I went out there and
Speaker 4: like nobody had my back.
Speaker 2: Oh I got you.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, yeah, yea yea yeah yah. I know
Speaker 3: there are people out there that do.
Speaker 4: But there's been times where, you know, you gotta let
Speaker 4: somebody know that you're in the gym and you bench
Speaker 4: pressing two twenty five fifteen times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's been a few instances like that, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I did not know. Well, I felt the
Speaker 2: way to that role. I felt the way of that role,
Speaker 2: especially for you.
Speaker 7: No, I really liked that episode. I didn't think there
Speaker 7: were being any neig feedback.
Speaker 3: It was a great experience.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, before we get to she hate Me,
Speaker 5: I do have to briefly ask, even though it wasn't
Speaker 5: a major.
Speaker 1: Role, but.
Speaker 5: Could you talk about Manchurian Candidate and sort of like
Speaker 5: the process of doing that and how was that for you?
Speaker 3: Uh? Man cheering was hell on Earth?
Speaker 4: I mean I was only there a few days because
Speaker 4: I was doing another movie, and I literally did it
Speaker 4: just because I wanted to work with Jonathan Demi, you know,
Speaker 4: being an actor in New York. Jonathan Demi was at
Speaker 4: the you know, a god like a thing of folklore
Speaker 4: and legend. So you know, when when he because he
Speaker 4: knew me from theater and independent films in New York.
Speaker 4: So he was like, you know, I'm doing this little
Speaker 4: movie you know. You know, Denzel said, yes, so I
Speaker 4: have another role for you. I'm like, so, you know,
Speaker 4: he brought me out. He's really he was really good.
Speaker 3: At casting people. He liked to be around people he
Speaker 3: considered friends. So it was it was more so the
Speaker 3: experience just to be on set with him and see
Speaker 3: him direct.
Speaker 4: But they didn't tell us we was gonna be in
Speaker 4: New Jersey and two feet of snow in fucking January.
Speaker 3: Trying to act like we were in the desert in
Speaker 3: shorts and T.
Speaker 2: Shirts sounded like somebody, I'm y, hey take it.
Speaker 7: Also, before before we before we had I just wanted
Speaker 7: before because I know you're about to go in Half Nelson. Man,
Speaker 7: that's one of my favorite roles of yours. I thought
Speaker 7: that script was very it was it.
Speaker 1: Was Yeah, that shi it was, it was. It was.
Speaker 1: It was a chance.
Speaker 7: I mean, it was risky, you know what I mean,
Speaker 7: because it could be interpreted in a lot of ways.
Speaker 7: But tell me about that role in like working with
Speaker 7: like Ryan Gosling and what was it like shooting at.
Speaker 4: Uh, you know, Half Nelson was dope. We literally shot
Speaker 4: that Belly of Brooklyn. And you know, working with Ryan
Speaker 4: at that time was interesting because he wasn't Ryan Gosling,
Speaker 4: you know, so he was taking chances and doing things
Speaker 4: in a different type of way. There was a different
Speaker 4: understanding of the way he was working, you know, and
Speaker 4: that movie made him put him on the map. And
Speaker 4: you know, for me growing up in the walls, like
Speaker 4: the drug dealers, I knew were the ones who took
Speaker 4: care of the neighborhood.
Speaker 3: They took care of the block. So if you were
Speaker 3: a smart kid with good grades and you come out
Speaker 3: and you're like, yo, I want to sell rocks, there
Speaker 3: just ain't for you.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: So when I read that script, I talked to the
Speaker 3: producer and Ryan Anna, who directed it, and I was like,
Speaker 3: this is this is this? I mean, he's taking care
Speaker 3: of this little chicken, making sure that she's you know,
Speaker 3: provided for and taking care of in a situation where
Speaker 3: she has no one.
Speaker 4: You know, he's that dude that take care of the block.
Speaker 4: He's providing jobs and economic structure for his community when
Speaker 4: the government has basically bastardized them and condemned them to nothing.
Speaker 3: So that was that was something.
Speaker 4: I predicated on that role and wanted to, you know,
Speaker 4: grow and mature that character into because I knew those dudes.
Speaker 3: I grew up with those dudes.
Speaker 4: You know when I needed when I wanted a pair
Speaker 4: of Jordan's and my mama wouldn't buy me Jordan's. Like,
Speaker 4: you know, my my dude on the corner made sure
Speaker 4: that we had George. Like when I had to take
Speaker 4: the bus at five thirty to make me to school
Speaker 4: by eight, my dude on the corner made sure I
Speaker 4: didn't get beat up on my way to the bush. Wow.
Speaker 4: You know, so the drug dealers literally found out I
Speaker 4: was a little artsy dud and they took care of me.
Speaker 3: And I never got jumped on the way home.
Speaker 4: Wow, Because if you stepped on if you stepped in
Speaker 4: Basketowville and tried to steal up on me them boys,
Speaker 4: was still you wouldn't come in the Basketowville talk Listen.
Speaker 2: I don't have a lot of are we already? We
Speaker 2: had Spike Lee on the show. I told him She
Speaker 2: Hated Me was always an interesting movie for me, just
Speaker 2: from the storyline of you and the ladies and impregnating them.
Speaker 1: I said, Spikes midlife crisis.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I agree with you, and so
Speaker 2: did his wife and his daughter. But listen my question
Speaker 2: to you about she hated me outside of the draw
Speaker 2: of this phenomenal cast, because it should not be forgotten
Speaker 2: Lynett McGee, Jim Brown, Ozzie Davis, or the Window everybody,
Speaker 2: everybody was in this movie, because I know that was
Speaker 2: a draw. But really tell me, Anthony Mackie, when you
Speaker 2: read this script the way you do with your three layers, did.
Speaker 1: You read it three times?
Speaker 2: What was the real draw of this script?
Speaker 3: To be honest?
Speaker 4: Uh, Jeffrey Wright was offered she hated me and he
Speaker 4: turned it down. Reallyrio Dawphin and Jeffrey right, WHOA.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to see him in that physical position
Speaker 2: like you.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 4: I was working with Spike on so I hold the
Speaker 4: record of being the lead of two Spike Lee movies.
Speaker 3: Nobody saw it.
Speaker 4: Oh, show the movie the movie I was working on
Speaker 4: the Spike It was called Succer Free City.
Speaker 3: It was a movie we did Woman.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I totally forgot about that one, but yeah, I
Speaker 7: saw it.
Speaker 3: So when we were doing Soccer Free City, Spike was like, Man,
Speaker 3: I got this movie War War Woman it's gonna be crazy.
Speaker 3: You know Jeffrey Wright most deaths, War War Ario. I'm like, bet,
Speaker 3: let me know when you need me.
Speaker 4: So two's later comes back, He's like, yo, my next project.
Speaker 4: Would you be interested in doing it? I'm like, hell yeah,
Speaker 4: I'll be interested in doing it. So the crazy thing
Speaker 4: was when I read the script to me, because of
Speaker 4: Michael Janet wrote it, it read like a Shakespearean play.
Speaker 4: If you read a Shakespearean play, you have plot subplot,
Speaker 4: you have four different storylines and they all culminate into
Speaker 4: one story.
Speaker 3: If you look as She Hated Me, it's really Shakespearean
Speaker 3: in the way it's written.
Speaker 4: Because you have plot subplot, you have two or three
Speaker 4: different storylines. And the crazy thing about it is people
Speaker 4: say it was Spike's middle aged crisis.
Speaker 3: You know what was the.
Speaker 4: Cover of the New York Times magazine the week She
Speaker 4: Hated Me came out looking for mister good sperm women
Speaker 4: over forty paying young men for sperm instead of going
Speaker 4: to sperm banks.
Speaker 3: But they and these women were rich in.
Speaker 1: Connected, not even not.
Speaker 3: At all, not connected at all.
Speaker 4: And what was crazier this was the same time that
Speaker 4: that doctor had impregnated like one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 1: With his own ship. It was timely.
Speaker 2: It was time even the subplots with the embezzlement and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, but it.
Speaker 3: Was just so it's easy. It's easy.
Speaker 4: It's easy to say that, you know, a midlike risis
Speaker 4: of a man or a man's dream, and a sexist
Speaker 4: connotation that men disrespecting.
Speaker 3: But the reality of it is it was very timely
Speaker 3: and on point.
Speaker 2: That's a nice.
Speaker 1: Box.
Speaker 7: I mean, I think too in that movie too. I mean,
Speaker 7: they were the thing I liked about it. I mean,
Speaker 7: both parties they were making a choice, you know what
Speaker 7: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It wasn't you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: It wasn't like there was this guy that, like you said, homie,
Speaker 7: that was just giving women his own ship, unknowingly with
Speaker 7: without their knowledge or whatever.
Speaker 1: Both parties were consenting that this is what they wanted
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 3: We live in a day and age where is okay.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's mandatory.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of of me that enjoyed that movie.
Speaker 2: I just you.
Speaker 1: Know, I what did you didn't like about that?
Speaker 3: Was it?
Speaker 2: That was? It was just always odd to me that
Speaker 2: this man was having physical sex and they were enjoying
Speaker 2: it and these women were not queer women. They were
Speaker 2: supposed to be like straight up lesbians. So I was like,
Speaker 2: and well, did they not just ask this man for
Speaker 2: the turkey baser where they do that? But I I
Speaker 2: enjoyed the same.
Speaker 1: Is it is?
Speaker 2: It is it?
Speaker 1: Anthony was okay? At least was the original.
Speaker 5: The original script well wound up on the final uh
Speaker 5: the final cut or where their adjustments made or.
Speaker 3: Well forciate me, Yeah, that was pretty much the original script.
Speaker 4: I mean when I came on board, Michael had to
Speaker 4: change some things, but for the most part, that was
Speaker 4: the script I read. I mean it was pretty it
Speaker 4: was pretty you know, when Spike comes on board, he
Speaker 4: does his Spike isms.
Speaker 3: But you know, it was it was pretty much the
Speaker 3: script I read.
Speaker 2: Now, this is why I love your journey, Like you're like,
Speaker 2: I loved watching your active journey because I don't know,
Speaker 2: every role stood out and every role had a meaning
Speaker 2: and it was deeper than he thought. Same thing that
Speaker 2: what you're doing right now with the falcon, because I
Speaker 2: was like, it's ill that the falcon is getting a
Speaker 2: little deep. I was like, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You put a little Anthony on the falcon.
Speaker 7: Yeah, man, Yeah, we talk about Yeah, like how did
Speaker 7: you come into the Marvel universe? I mean, we know,
Speaker 7: like the uh Terrence Howard he originally was uh no,
Speaker 7: that was don.
Speaker 4: That right, Yeah it was and iron Man won and then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, became war Machine. But how did your journey come
Speaker 1: into it?
Speaker 3: You know, my Marvel experience was very different.
Speaker 4: They came to me and uh I was asking them
Speaker 4: to be a part of the Marvel universe around the
Speaker 4: time of Iron Man two iron Man three, and then
Speaker 4: they asked me to come out to la to have
Speaker 4: a meeting and uh literally we had lunch and they said, okay,
Speaker 4: we can't tell you what movie, we can't tell you
Speaker 4: what character, but if we asked you to be in
Speaker 4: the Marble universe, would you do it?
Speaker 2: And you said.
Speaker 1: Wait?
Speaker 3: And I said would you? Would you want to tell
Speaker 3: them about that gunline?
Speaker 1: Both Mississippi?
Speaker 2: Miss Who did you in a dream world? Don't any
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sorry, but who would you have wanted to?
Speaker 2: Is there a a press?
Speaker 1: Did you want black Panther?
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, no, yeah.
Speaker 3: No no no no no.
Speaker 4: For me, it was either because I didn't think they
Speaker 4: were going to bring the Falcon into the fold for
Speaker 4: me when I was harassing them. I was harassing them
Speaker 4: about Black Panther because I thought that would for me.
Speaker 4: If you look up any press I did before they
Speaker 4: even announced it, I said very specifically that the movies
Speaker 4: they should do was Black Panther and Wonder Woman.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, because.
Speaker 3: Little brown boys and girls need representation.
Speaker 5: How how steep how steep were you into the universe
Speaker 5: of Marvel before you actually got involved in the film.
Speaker 3: Oh not at all. I was never a comic book kid. Like.
Speaker 3: That's why it's so funny to me either.
Speaker 4: That's why it's so funny to me now when people say, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm a nerd, I freak. I'm like, if everybody was
Speaker 4: reading comic books, why didn't all the comic book stores
Speaker 4: go out of business?
Speaker 2: Lions the movie and they so Betty and Veronica in
Speaker 2: the grocery stores too.
Speaker 3: But nobody was reading comic books.
Speaker 5: In my five year history of this show. I was
Speaker 5: nervous about you coming on, only because I know that
Speaker 5: there there's such a there's a contingent, or at least
Speaker 5: a certain fan base. You know those in San Diego,
Speaker 5: what do you call them, comic connors? Yeah, that are
Speaker 5: so deep into the ship, and I I'm not. It's
Speaker 5: not like I'm not a Marvel head. I just didn't
Speaker 5: grow up reading comic books and whatnot. I knew nothing
Speaker 5: about the Marvel. I didn't know it that deep. And
Speaker 5: I was afraid. I was like, yo, if I have
Speaker 5: him on the show and don't ask him some deep
Speaker 5: easter a question that it's okay.
Speaker 2: I have notes. What do you need because I want
Speaker 2: you to hurry and get your question because.
Speaker 3: You have to. You have to look at comic I
Speaker 3: wish I could black you right now.
Speaker 1: You can't. You have to.
Speaker 3: You have to look at Comic Con this way. Every year, you.
Speaker 4: Know, ten to fifteen thousand people go to San Diego
Speaker 4: for Comic Con.
Speaker 3: How many people are in America?
Speaker 2: Very true? But there, but Anthony, don't you agree there
Speaker 2: are levels of these people, Like, it's not just Comic
Speaker 2: Con or a Mirror. There are like elite different levels
Speaker 2: in between Comic Con and a Mirror.
Speaker 3: But I'm saying the whole thing of not at the bottom.
Speaker 1: I see these films.
Speaker 4: Now, everybody you talk to grew up reading comic books
Speaker 4: and knowing everything.
Speaker 3: About That's not true. That's not true.
Speaker 2: People get everyone has the Internet now, yeah, that's what
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: Right now, you can.
Speaker 7: Go back and read you can become a retroactive comic
Speaker 7: book fan's right, or just.
Speaker 1: You read it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, show up the chick dressed as Layer
Speaker 4: at comic Con, you know, and they're trying to impress
Speaker 4: her by telling her about the Captain America Truth series.
Speaker 3: It's like, come on, stop it stop stop.
Speaker 1: What is that process? Like? Like doing con?
Speaker 5: Like living up to an expectation of you know, having
Speaker 5: to go to comic Con and meet these you know,
Speaker 5: these trekky like nerds and whatnot, Like is it exhausting,
Speaker 5: Like do you have to do it in.
Speaker 4: The marble world or yeah, you definitely have to do it,
Speaker 4: you know. But the big thing is it feels good
Speaker 4: to be appreciated. You know, you're so many as artists.
Speaker 4: How many times have you created something and put it
Speaker 4: out there and you know no one has reacted or responded.
Speaker 3: To or even worse, you put something out there and
Speaker 3: motherfucker who's never made an album, A motherfucker has no
Speaker 3: talent whatsoever. Say your shit sucks, right, you know, So
Speaker 3: it feels good.
Speaker 4: Imagine every time you put something out you know, motherfucker, Like, yo,
Speaker 4: this is the best shit ever.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but okay, I have my version of comic Con
Speaker 5: and that's called Okay Player.
Speaker 1: Yeah that a for real for real if no.
Speaker 5: But it's it's like it's there's there's a danger in that.
Speaker 5: I feel like there's a dance. I know you're saying
Speaker 5: that it's it's it's great to be loved and appreciating
Speaker 5: da da da da. But then I just see comic
Speaker 5: Con people as like extreme level of nerdness and.
Speaker 3: Not all.
Speaker 2: Like okay, yes it's music nerds. It's just yeah, that's
Speaker 2: what it is.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's also a thing where on Okay Player,
Speaker 5: you know, uh, there's equal amount of hate and disdain
Speaker 5: and criticism for the roots in quest love as there
Speaker 5: is love, probably more than so.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, for Marvel folks, I think it's more about the
Speaker 2: writers and what directions they go on with the characters,
Speaker 2: and that's when the fans get mad, depending on if
Speaker 2: they go off script. So that's how I work. That
Speaker 2: being said, Anthony, can I ask you, one of my
Speaker 2: Marvel heads wanted me to ask you, do you think
Speaker 2: that the world was were ready for a black captain America.
Speaker 3: Uh, what his role was?
Speaker 4: I think the idea of you know, was the world
Speaker 4: ever ready for a green hawk?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: You know it was never? How could you accept the
Speaker 4: green dude and not accept the black?
Speaker 2: You know, I guess because it's Captain America is such
Speaker 2: an institution and the way he's looked at it's different
Speaker 2: than a black panther, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: As I think, you know what, I'll be honest, I think,
Speaker 4: like especially being do.
Speaker 3: You have kids? No, I know, Okay, one thing.
Speaker 4: I know about kids, and one thing I admire. Kids
Speaker 4: aren't racists. Yeah, Like they're pretty open minded. We teach
Speaker 4: them racist. Right, So, if you're making a comic book
Speaker 4: for kids about a character, no matter what color he.
Speaker 3: Is, if he has cool power to right.
Speaker 2: But that's assuming that they make all these things for kids,
Speaker 2: like at this point, Marvel's an institution.
Speaker 3: Right wait wait wait but the key.
Speaker 4: Phrase at this point at this point, right, so you know,
Speaker 4: before you know, it was cool to be a quote
Speaker 4: unquote nerd, before you know, comic cons and people dressing
Speaker 4: up and doing cosplay. That was you know, books for
Speaker 4: teenagers a kid you know, so if you present them
Speaker 4: with a.
Speaker 3: Black Captain America. They'll grow up with a Black Captain America.
Speaker 3: They wouldn't know any different, So how could they not
Speaker 3: be ready for something they don't even know. They don't
Speaker 3: even they wouldn't know anything as opposed to Black Captain America.
Speaker 3: What because nobody can playing when they made British Captain
Speaker 3: British America.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah.
Speaker 7: I always want to ask you about pain and game
Speaker 7: paying the game bro, Like how bus did you have
Speaker 7: to like put on for that?
Speaker 1: Like what was your training bridgement for that?
Speaker 3: I put on?
Speaker 4: Like I went up to about two twenty okay, so
Speaker 4: I was one before I started training for that, And
Speaker 4: I just literally ate steak and potatoes in the morning
Speaker 4: and six eggs and oatmeal for breakfast and it was dude, yeah,
Speaker 4: six no, six and six eggs and oat meals with
Speaker 4: barriers for breakfast. And then lunch I would do like
Speaker 4: a weight of masking and protein shake with a steak
Speaker 4: and some eggs, and then I would have like four
Speaker 4: more meals because I was eating like thirty five cat.
Speaker 1: Good god man, what was that experience?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 7: I liked that movie. I think I might be one
Speaker 7: of the only people that actually went up for that movie.
Speaker 7: I fuck with that movie. But but what was it
Speaker 7: like working with with Mark in the Rock?
Speaker 3: It was great, man.
Speaker 4: You know what, Mark is one of the coolest dudes
Speaker 4: I've ever worked with, and you know, he really.
Speaker 3: Gave me an opportunity with that joint. We had a
Speaker 3: great time.
Speaker 4: Like we literally every day came to set shot the ship,
Speaker 4: had fun. I mean it was like it was you know,
Speaker 4: Michael Bay gave us the keys to the car and
Speaker 4: was like, be as ridiculous as you want to be.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you on some insider Marvel
Speaker 2: Baseball on the on the season two episode with the
Speaker 2: young the older black Man, and the young Black Man.
Speaker 2: I heard those are actual Marvel characters. I was just
Speaker 2: going to ask you if that was going to develop
Speaker 2: into something.
Speaker 3: I don't know, But Isaiah Bradley, a lot of people
Speaker 3: Isaiah Isaiah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of people don't know that the Super
Speaker 4: Soldier serum was originally was originally tested on Tuskegee soldiers
Speaker 4: and it was a comic book that came out in
Speaker 4: the early two thousands called The Truths, and Isaiah Bradley
Speaker 4: was there was a limited run.
Speaker 3: People like talked about it, so it.
Speaker 4: Went away, but the writer name was Morales, and he
Speaker 4: created this cartoon series where basically Isaiah Bradley and a
Speaker 4: bunch of Tuskegee soldiers were being injected with the simple
Speaker 4: Search the super Soldier serum so that they can perfect it.
Speaker 4: And once they perfected it, they gave it to Steve Rogers.
Speaker 2: Wow, and so and so the rumor is that the
Speaker 2: grandson is going to become a young Avenger.
Speaker 4: I'm just no, that's that's that's from the comic book.
Speaker 3: One thing you have to, one thing you have to.
Speaker 4: Really, Marvel never takes the comic book's word for word,
Speaker 4: note for note. So even if you look at the
Speaker 4: comic book when Falcon first is introduced, he was a
Speaker 4: hustler from Marvel.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: So if you watch the movie The Falcons from Louisiana,
Speaker 4: so you know, it's a completely different world. It's a
Speaker 4: completely different universe. So it's not something where they take
Speaker 4: the comic book word for word or.
Speaker 2: Note for And have you put any anthony into any
Speaker 2: of these storylines.
Speaker 4: No at all, because I didn't you know Malcolm Spellman,
Speaker 4: our writer, you know him, and the Marvel crew and
Speaker 4: carry our director.
Speaker 3: They were the.
Speaker 4: Ones who came up with the storyline and ideas that
Speaker 4: came to me. It was like this we'll be thinking,
Speaker 4: so you know it wasn't me.
Speaker 2: It's dope.
Speaker 1: I have two questions and then we'll let you go.
Speaker 5: One is about just the the the secretive process in
Speaker 5: the Marvel world, how airtight or Fort.
Speaker 1: Knox light is.
Speaker 5: Is the the process of actually getting the physical script,
Speaker 5: Like do they have to like hand deliver it to you?
Speaker 1: Like is it?
Speaker 3: Yo? It's so crazy.
Speaker 5: Matters if you lose your your your three piece or something.
Speaker 4: No matter where you are in the world, they send
Speaker 4: someone to come to you. You sign a letter saying
Speaker 4: that you received it. That person turns around, goes back
Speaker 4: to the airport, gets on the airplane and flies.
Speaker 2: Back to La.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: That's it. Okay.
Speaker 5: My final question is are you going to do any
Speaker 5: for a raising into uh directing?
Speaker 4: Actually, I'm working on that now. I'm working there this
Speaker 4: story that I'm acquiring the rights to about this young
Speaker 4: girl during civil rights who was the first person, the
Speaker 4: first woman to sit on the sit on the bus
Speaker 4: and not get up.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Okay, nice, oh man, before we before we go, I
Speaker 5: got it.
Speaker 7: I have to deliver this specially to be mad. Omar
Speaker 7: Dorsey wanted me to ask you, why is everyone already
Speaker 7: He said, why does everybody call you an asshole but
Speaker 7: they love him?
Speaker 3: Because out here selling his booty for.
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