WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Anthony Mackie

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<v Speaker 1>Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. What a man?

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<v Speaker 1>What's up?

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 3>You make.

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<v Speaker 1>You what? I thought you were outside right now?

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, yeah, I'm outside, man, the basketball game on,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm in New Orleans and.

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<v Speaker 3>Even do adults ship like sit outside and have a drink.

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<v Speaker 1>I get the.

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<v Speaker 2>Look and he ain't even got no headphones on, Like

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<v Speaker 2>he just straightened like I'm out in the street. Out

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<v Speaker 2>you got your headphones?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess is you just found out about this?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like your headphones.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like to be contained. Man, I'm an. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>ready to.

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<v Speaker 2>Fight Anthony Mackie and I barely know him. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome knowing Anthony Mackie.

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<v Speaker 1>Let us start. Is everyone rolling?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, not Anthony Mackie.

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<v Speaker 3>But no, I don't record. That's how he gets everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>I freaked.

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<v Speaker 5>Like, I can tell this is already gonna match our

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<v Speaker 5>our drunken Christmas episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>I can I can tell already.

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<v Speaker 5>Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm your host Quest Love. We have Teams Supreme with

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<v Speaker 5>us unpaid bill. Hello, how's it going?

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<v Speaker 3>It's Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything's good.

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<v Speaker 5>You didn't tell us. You didn't tell us that we

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<v Speaker 5>got black muppets on the wall.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, black muppets. We haven't discussed black muppets. They're a

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<v Speaker 6>black muppets. Get into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, nig I gotta pose.

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<v Speaker 5>I gotta pose the question like SNL Does that mean

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<v Speaker 5>all the other muppets are white?

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<v Speaker 1>Valid question? Can't answer that, per se, but it's a

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<v Speaker 1>really good question. Are you not allowed to answer that question?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 6>I mean probably, I haven't honestly thought about it, but

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<v Speaker 6>it's a good it's a good question. Are we recording

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<v Speaker 6>because I don't. I learned from Anthony Mackie. I don't record.

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<v Speaker 6>I just play free, free, living, free free.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's what's? What's?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>What's the puppies names? Eric and Travis or something?

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<v Speaker 2>No, come on, No, one of them got a real

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<v Speaker 2>black name. It's not real black, but it's black enough.

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<v Speaker 5>Not like name one of them. You gotta give him

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<v Speaker 5>like a North Philly named.

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<v Speaker 1>Please.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, Your girlfriend is your girlfriend of urban descent?

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<v Speaker 6>No, she's the producer of Sesame Street?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Is she of urban descent?

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<v Speaker 1>What is she black? His stepmother's Jamaican? Though, that's right?

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<v Speaker 1>All right?

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<v Speaker 6>The names are Their names are Elijah and West, which

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<v Speaker 6>are not the blackest name.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Elijah's is kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of yeah yeah, and they did Elijah shout out to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Elijah rest in peace, Colorado Springs.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what's up.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know about that. Somebody they want my my

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<v Speaker 4>my ex wanted to name O Son Wyatt and I

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<v Speaker 4>was literally about to go to jail.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you decided to name him Anthony Jr.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you think I'm gonna name him?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that was the last start in my mind. Right now,

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<v Speaker 5>he shadow a little question. What you think I named him?

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<v Speaker 3>Know, I'm from the South. You're gonna be a junior ship.

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<v Speaker 1>I see that, sugar Steve. How are we doing this week?

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<v Speaker 1>We're doing great. Nice to see everybody. Team Supreme. Anthony

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<v Speaker 1>Mackie so nice to see you.

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<v Speaker 3>What's up rich Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Students from Manhattan?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, man, you look, I'm hype. I'm ready for this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready to go in.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, ready for about ten minutes. Girl going god you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good, I'm good man, I'm good. It's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>fun episode. All right.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I was about to say normally I'm gonna I'm

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<v Speaker 5>gonna astrew the long jown out episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Because there's really no need for this introduction.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll just say this much please eight Mile Brother, the

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<v Speaker 5>Brother Manturian candidate, She hate me, million dollar Baby, Eagle Eye,

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<v Speaker 5>the hurt Locker notorious nine catches Us, Abraham Lincoln, Detroit

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<v Speaker 5>Captain America win a Soldier Civil War. Also the hate

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<v Speaker 5>you give I didn't realize that was thug acronym.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get that later. Black or white, Yeah, yeah, forgive me,

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<v Speaker 1>all right.

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<v Speaker 5>Anyway, The Night the Night Before Avengers at Man uh,

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<v Speaker 5>striking vibrs, black mirror episode, definitely all the way, the

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<v Speaker 5>Falcon Winter Soldier of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude, what about the Matt da.

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<v Speaker 3>In One Adjustment Bureau? Come on?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, okay, there was twelve more I was gonna name,

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<v Speaker 5>but fuck it. Ladies and gentlemen, we got on Quest

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<v Speaker 5>Love Supreme.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and we're recorded, Yes, we are recording. How are

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<v Speaker 1>you right now? Man?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm good, bro, I'm chilling.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just living life, man, enjoying this unemployment game.

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<v Speaker 3>Shut up?

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<v Speaker 2>Your job is on TV every week. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what you're talking.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm like, you're everywhere. So how are you unemployed?

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<v Speaker 4>Well?

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<v Speaker 1>This minute you finish the job. You unemployed, Thank.

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<v Speaker 3>You, sir. There's one person here that knows how unemployment works.

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<v Speaker 5>There's one person here that also knows that you probably

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<v Speaker 5>have five other things lined up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean later, yeah, but right now I'm unemployed.

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<v Speaker 2>I get that you can actually file.

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<v Speaker 1>He's right.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't think about it. Well.

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<v Speaker 3>I was told I can't file.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, I was about to say you can file.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't get a stemmy check.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, you got your stimmy, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>You's a super fi super I was.

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<v Speaker 3>I was. I was gonna file for stemmy and they

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<v Speaker 3>told me I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that would be pretty fucked up of a country.

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<v Speaker 7>We let the falcon get a stemmy that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Incoming quality like a motherfucker? Where are you right? Where

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<v Speaker 1>are you right now?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably the US?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm in New Orleans downtown.

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<v Speaker 1>You are too boue, too blue knowlans Yeah seven.

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<v Speaker 3>World Basketballville hard head know that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Else New York motherfuckers don't know how to deal with

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<v Speaker 4>that from you.

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<v Speaker 1>Saw the silence afterwards.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody was like, uh, love you to Anthony, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just one and if all the New Orleans

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<v Speaker 2>All stars knew each other because we talked to Terrence

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<v Speaker 2>Blanchard in the last month, we talked to PJ. Moore

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<v Speaker 2>in Tank and everybody is still all the New Orleans

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<v Speaker 2>folks are in New Orleans. I'm like a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>other folks.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, oh way, it's the best city in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>Why would you leave?

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<v Speaker 4>You get your You get European flavor, with the amenities

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<v Speaker 4>of America, with the best food in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>Why would you leave august Ship. Oh you don't like

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<v Speaker 3>being neked?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't work. Oh wait, what else besides the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of hurricanes and floods?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I just mean it be on fire, Anthony, right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>You getting the pool and your cat? How whatever your

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<v Speaker 4>casual is, wasn't getting the pool? My neighbors know me

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<v Speaker 4>through and through.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh why, I'm like, stop.

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<v Speaker 3>Looking over the fence. Dog just meant for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop looking over I'm not gonna make it through this.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think, Oh my god, all right, I don't

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<v Speaker 5>even like I don't even feel like having a normal

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<v Speaker 5>ass interview.

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<v Speaker 2>Because but he deserves his flowers. So we you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we say, I think this.

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<v Speaker 1>Is our flowers moment. Yeah, man, for real.

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<v Speaker 3>Come on, I knew you too long. I'm gonna be good.

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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead, bro go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, you're good, You're straight.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just waiting to get to this. She hate me conversations.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, here we go. I want to start.

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<v Speaker 5>What's your what's your family situation in in New Orleans?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>How many brothers and sisters or siblings?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh? Three? Three sisters, two brothers. We all live here.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, once you hear, but you always come back,

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<v Speaker 4>so you know, thankfully, knock on wood.

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<v Speaker 3>None of us have had COVID. But I'm the youngest.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm the youngest.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, are they all artistically inclined or you're the only

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<v Speaker 5>one that sort of broke the.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm the only one they they came. Damn, if you

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<v Speaker 4>give him a menu to read, it'll be a disaster.

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<v Speaker 1>So what drew you to acting?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what a kid do.

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<v Speaker 4>And my teacher, you know, in the nineties, they wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to put everybody on rig so you know, my mom,

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<v Speaker 4>my mom came to school and was like, yo, that's

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<v Speaker 4>a gateway drug. And I was like, what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 4>What like, what is it a gateway too? So then

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<v Speaker 4>I got scared and instead my my uh my third

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<v Speaker 4>grade teacher came in and was like, Yo, he's a

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<v Speaker 4>good student, he just needs something to focus his attention.

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<v Speaker 4>So she had me auditioned for the talented and theater

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<v Speaker 4>program and after that I never had another problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I had some amazing teachers in my life every

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<v Speaker 4>step of my life. Literally, I am where I am

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<v Speaker 4>today because of the teachers I had from myself, this

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<v Speaker 4>great teacher all the way up.

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<v Speaker 7>And these all teachers in New Orleans. So they had

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<v Speaker 7>a Yeah, because we heard about music. I heard a

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<v Speaker 7>lot about the music in New Orleans. But what's the

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<v Speaker 7>kind of drama acting scene like locally?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean there's Look, the acting scene is great. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>we have a we have theaters here, we have theater

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<v Speaker 4>groups here. You know, we've the just the art scene

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<v Speaker 4>in generals. You know, if you look at the Marty

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<v Speaker 4>Brow Indians, all of that is just performing.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>All of us are storytellings. You know, New Orleans is

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<v Speaker 4>a culture of storytelling. So you know, if you sit

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<v Speaker 4>down with Wynton Marcellus and Terrence Blanchet, you see them

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<v Speaker 4>dudes could tell a story that could wake up Debby.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a part of the culture. Man's that's all

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<v Speaker 4>it is. Storytelling is a part of the culture. So

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<v Speaker 4>you know, everybody here is an actor, and they all, right, uh, your.

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<v Speaker 1>Parents, what were your what was your what were your parents? Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 4>My mom was a housewife, dude, She just like chilled

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<v Speaker 4>and spanked all six of us.

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<v Speaker 3>And my dad was a contract you had a roof

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<v Speaker 3>and company me.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, he with his education, became one of

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<v Speaker 4>the most successful businessmen in the city of New Orleans.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Just all of honesty and hustle.

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<v Speaker 4>It's literally like one of the most amazing stories you

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<v Speaker 4>would ever think to hear from my grandfather to my

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<v Speaker 4>dad to his six kids.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, the amount of growth and prosperity and appreciation

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<v Speaker 3>is the biggest thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>My grandfather was a share crosser, you know, so you

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<v Speaker 4>know it was you know, It's just one of those

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<v Speaker 4>things where I would never defile my family's name just

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<v Speaker 4>simply because of.

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<v Speaker 3>Who my grandfather was.

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<v Speaker 4>Like when I got in trouble, my dad used to say,

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<v Speaker 4>you know you were MACKI right, So you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>validity of our name always meant something.

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<v Speaker 3>Even when I was a child.

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<v Speaker 4>Like when we went somewhere, I was never Anthony I

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<v Speaker 4>was that Macki boy m hm.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was already a standard set, and that standards

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<v Speaker 2>seems like it has a lot to do with the

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<v Speaker 2>roles that you seem to choose too.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh definitely, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah. That's why I'll

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<v Speaker 4>never use the N word on screen. That's why I

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<v Speaker 4>choose roles in a way that people can watch learn

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<v Speaker 4>and grow from.

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<v Speaker 3>Yere you do. When I play a thug is a

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<v Speaker 3>thug with substance.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to just be willing Nelly out here,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, acting like an idiot selling booty for carn Brek.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we didn't mention one of my favorite Anthony Mackie roles.

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<v Speaker 1>That imagery right there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm sorry, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't mean that that was so much.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I've heard of selling booty.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like you once said that to you and

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<v Speaker 1>that stuck with you.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's somebody's grandmother's turn. Don't be out there selling

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<v Speaker 5>My version of that was don't be out there in

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<v Speaker 5>the corner selling wolf tickets.

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<v Speaker 1>We had wolf tickets. That was that ship too ticket?

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<v Speaker 1>What's that explain that? You know, like wolf tickets like bullshit?

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<v Speaker 1>Like you don't be acting fool wolf tickets ship be right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 5>Check you can't cash, you know, Bill, Bill, My dad

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<v Speaker 5>was the type of person. Yes, like his goal in life,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, like Chris Rock says, like keep your daughter

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<v Speaker 5>off the pole. His going life for me was just

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<v Speaker 5>to keep me from going on the corner selling wolf tickets?

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<v Speaker 1>What's the genesis of that? Saying? Though?

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<v Speaker 2>Who knows you're talking about? You want to find.

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<v Speaker 1>It come from?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm all right, we're recordings, all right, recording No, Now,

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<v Speaker 5>I got to look up wolf.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what?

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<v Speaker 4>It was some some old black dude got a dog

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<v Speaker 4>and painted him like a wolf and sell the tickets

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<v Speaker 4>to see his dog, and everybody when they saw it

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't a wolf that was the origin.

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<v Speaker 2>And that it's improv ladies.

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<v Speaker 4>Up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, black history fact of the day fact.

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<v Speaker 2>So can I, mister love, can I just mention why

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<v Speaker 2>he's mentioning that role of playing thugs that just are

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<v Speaker 2>more deeper than what you think the inep No, I

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<v Speaker 2>was just gonna yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeahs yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that's it.

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<v Speaker 5>Sorry, wait a Bill to answer your question on urban dictionary,

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The often cited urban dictionary.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, well, yes, to try Uh, it's to try and

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<v Speaker 5>sell a lie, either to yourself or to others.

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<v Speaker 2>To yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>Where I'm from, that's called marriage. I'm happy.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, let's go in divorce.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go in club.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, club?

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<v Speaker 1>How long you how long you've been divorced? Matkiew you

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<v Speaker 1>are you back married?

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<v Speaker 3>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Where are you at?

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<v Speaker 2>No? No?

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no no, I've been divorced four years?

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<v Speaker 1>Four years? Okay, gotcha? What you say? Never again? Never, Anthony, Anthony,

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<v Speaker 1>that's me. You think you think you're doing again? Or

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<v Speaker 1>you are you good?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm good, bro, unless it's Oprah like I mean, unless

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<v Speaker 4>it's somebody like, unless it's Holly Berry.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't even man j Lo.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, look at their history, and that's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, it's perception, Anthony.

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<v Speaker 1>Your your favorite three? Are you doing this on purpose?

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<v Speaker 3>I want? I want, you know, drama in your relationship?

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle Obama?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but want cookie from good times?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I you know.

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<v Speaker 5>I think now, especially the age that we are now,

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<v Speaker 5>I think marriage is just finding somebody that you want

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<v Speaker 5>to that you want to die with, like you want

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<v Speaker 5>that's the person you want.

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<v Speaker 4>To you know what I think, it's finding somebody that's

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<v Speaker 4>nice like people nowadays just aren't.

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<v Speaker 3>And you meet people that unappreciative.

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<v Speaker 4>They're not nice no matter what it is, no matter

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<v Speaker 4>what you do for them, it's not enough, no matter what.

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<v Speaker 4>They always asking you for something like it's like, just

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<v Speaker 4>meet somebody that's nice. Like, Yo, I'm outside cutting grass.

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<v Speaker 4>You look hot. Let me bring you something to drink. Man,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean, Like, just be nice, like

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<v Speaker 4>take care of me the way you don't take care

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<v Speaker 4>of other motherfuckers. I know that's a hard idea to grasp,

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<v Speaker 4>but just being nice like you a week, go out

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<v Speaker 4>with your boys and like stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Yo.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that stuff was loaded.

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<v Speaker 2>But come and take care of this when you finished

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<v Speaker 2>with your boys. You gotta you know, that's what you're

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't worry about that, Okay when I leave you, When I.

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<v Speaker 2>Go out and you have fun with your boys, you

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy it. How that works?

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<v Speaker 1>Even have funds a loaded definition half money to.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep your to yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's it, you know, that's anonymous.

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<v Speaker 3>We sold.

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<v Speaker 4>Our idea of having fun is sitting around talking ship

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<v Speaker 4>about the stuff we did and having it ship.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, my idea of having fun is silence, exist,

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<v Speaker 5>don't don't be in the baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, raises away for a week and it's just.

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<v Speaker 2>Me talking ship.

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<v Speaker 1>I love silence. I love silence.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, no, no, I just meant being in a relationship

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<v Speaker 5>is you know, I'm new. I mean we're in the

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<v Speaker 5>honeymoon phase still. So it's still like, yeah, we're still

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<v Speaker 5>on our honeymoon phase. Like, how long has it been?

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<v Speaker 5>Has it been it too?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't hate her yet? Was it twenty two years?

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<v Speaker 1>Almost two years?

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<v Speaker 7>One of those years was a COVID year though, so

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<v Speaker 7>that's like a year on steroids.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like actually five years. Yeah, twenty twenty two years

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<v Speaker 1>for three years.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm shocked that we survived COVID and so, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>because a lot everyone else didn't.

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<v Speaker 4>So they said, they said the divorce rate during COVID

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<v Speaker 4>went up like a thousand percent. Really, it's crazy when

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<v Speaker 4>you actually meet the person you.

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<v Speaker 2>Married, that part.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's just strange everything exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, yo, be nice, be nice.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta be nice to each.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like that's fair, like just be nice.

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<v Speaker 2>It is, but it's harder than it sounds. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>it's like with some people.

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<v Speaker 3>For some people, yeah, for some people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, well there's nice, there's also honesty.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm to me, you can lie to me, just

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<v Speaker 3>be nice.

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<v Speaker 4>Please lie to me, tell me I'm the prettiest moment.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, please lie to me. Don't tell me the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>How am I going to segue to Juilliard after this conversation?

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<v Speaker 3>It's all lies.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all lies. Juilliard's lies. It's all lies.

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<v Speaker 2>He's in the middle of a monologue.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, I thought this was the truth circle.

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<v Speaker 2>This circle, it is definitely a safe space, definitely a safe.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna be all over TMZ. Anthony Maggie said, with.

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<v Speaker 2>Y'all, they don't pay attention to quest Left Supremus tune Hurdy.

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<v Speaker 3>Trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, So how did you wind up at Juilliard?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it was a funny story, man.

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<v Speaker 4>There was this actor from New Orleans saying, Wendel Pearce

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<v Speaker 4>and I met.

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<v Speaker 3>Him, Yes, when I was fourteen year old.

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<v Speaker 4>And when I met Wendell, Wendel showed up at school.

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<v Speaker 4>He had on a white linen suit. He was driving

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<v Speaker 4>a Porsche, a black push He had on a white

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<v Speaker 4>linen Hat.

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<v Speaker 3>Honestly, I was like, that's the cleanest black dude I've

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<v Speaker 3>ever seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>And he gave a speech and I went up to

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<v Speaker 4>him afterwards and I was like, Yo, bro yo, whatever

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<v Speaker 4>you did, I'm gonna do wherever you went, I'm a go.

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<v Speaker 3>He goes, all right, youngster, go sit down. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, bet bet So. I went to North Carolina

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<v Speaker 3>School of the Arts. He went to Noka. I went

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<v Speaker 3>to Nokas. He went to Juilliard. I went to Juilliard.

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<v Speaker 4>I went there just specifically because he went there because

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<v Speaker 4>he was such a role modeling an ambassador to the

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<v Speaker 4>arts for me, just because he was such a talented dude.

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<v Speaker 4>And I had never seen a black dude speak so eloquently,

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<v Speaker 4>a black dude so like emotionally connected with his work,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean, like the stuff that he

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<v Speaker 4>was the best part about waiting to say yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>They had two scenes yeah true.

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<v Speaker 2>That and wait and then y'all both ended up and

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<v Speaker 2>she hate me together exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>She just wants to rust and she hates I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't, I don't, I don't. I was just saying

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<v Speaker 2>I would We'll go back to that you know, put

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<v Speaker 2>a pin in it. But I just thought that now.

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<v Speaker 5>You said that, you said that, and now I'm thinking ship.

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<v Speaker 5>So that made an impression. So you're saying, that's seeing

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<v Speaker 5>window and in his clean suit and his Porsche. That

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<v Speaker 5>made an impression on you, and you were like, that's

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<v Speaker 5>what I want to that's what I want to do.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it was seeing him so clear because I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>even know he had the porch until I looked out

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<v Speaker 4>the window. And I'm not a porch dude, like if

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<v Speaker 4>he had pulled up in a classic Mustang out and

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<v Speaker 4>been like this guy is God, you know, but just

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<v Speaker 4>see him, seeing him speak about the arts and the

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<v Speaker 4>way his passion about the arts, and him being so clean, like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, my dad was a contractor man.

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<v Speaker 3>My dad was a roofer. Every day my dad came home,

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<v Speaker 3>he got his I mean, he was like I had.

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<v Speaker 4>Never seen a dude that cleaned before, you know, And

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<v Speaker 4>it really it really changed my perception of what a

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<v Speaker 4>man was, because to me, a man was a dude

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<v Speaker 4>who went out and had dirt under his nails and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, bust his ass for his family and really

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<v Speaker 4>made sure that.

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<v Speaker 3>His house was an arm And I didn't know. I

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<v Speaker 3>thought only white dues could do that in a suit.

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<v Speaker 1>M Wow. See now damn, And you said that.

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<v Speaker 5>Now I'm all messed up because whenever I go to Philly, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I I I purposely try to do the opposite, Like

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<v Speaker 5>I drive the bummy.

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<v Speaker 1>Car and the key.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm trying to do this down the earth, blue collar

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<v Speaker 5>musician thing. And I thought that that would make more

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<v Speaker 5>of an impression than you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, I think was especially with kids. Kids want to see.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why like people in you know, everybody in the

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<v Speaker 4>music industry and everybody who kids try to emulate, they.

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<v Speaker 3>Try to emulate them because they look like they got it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why women, that's why you know, little girls are

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<v Speaker 4>asking for these you know, drag queen eyelashes because you know,

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<v Speaker 4>that's that's the idea becauld think that's the look of

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<v Speaker 4>when you got it, you know. And my thing was

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<v Speaker 4>my dad had it, you know. But when I looked

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<v Speaker 4>at window, like I saw window and he had it.

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<v Speaker 3>Hm.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, his education level, you know, everything about him, dude,

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<v Speaker 4>like to this day, like I talked to him last

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<v Speaker 4>week before he left for Europe, and everything about this

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<v Speaker 4>dude just exudes confidence.

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<v Speaker 3>And success. You know, yeah, like if there's if there's

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<v Speaker 3>a generation of Latin X these black acts.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you're right, he definitely needs to get more flowers

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<v Speaker 2>out loud.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I ask you about that class of Juilliard because

0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:12.919
<v Speaker 2>it's interesting it seems like there's a slew of folks

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<v Speaker 2>that came out of Juilliard from your year and like

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<v Speaker 2>either the following or the pre like from I was

0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:22.320
<v Speaker 2>thinking about Nelson Ellis from True Blood to My Girl

0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:25.600
<v Speaker 2>from Power, Uh, lawd, you know what I mean? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>so can you talk about that and if y'all could

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<v Speaker 2>connected and circle ever circle back in life?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, of course, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>The great thing about it is our class was probably

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<v Speaker 4>the first well I would.

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<v Speaker 2>Say routinam Sorry, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Rotina Wesley.

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<v Speaker 4>Our class was definitely the first diverse class at Juilliard.

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<v Speaker 3>We had five black people, we had a Native American,

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<v Speaker 3>we had an Asian. I mean twenty people, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>eight of us were from decent.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, so we were definitely the most the first

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<v Speaker 4>and the most diverse clas as at Julliard ever. And

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<v Speaker 4>because of that, we were able to do things that

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<v Speaker 4>other classes weren't able to do. Like, I first got

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<v Speaker 4>recognition by playing Tupac off Bro and that was the

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<v Speaker 4>play we developed at Julliard.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we did that play at Juilliard first because

0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:19.480
<v Speaker 3>it was in the New York Times.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, who would expect Juliard students to be able

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<v Speaker 4>to do a play about Tupac? And I'm like, so,

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<v Speaker 4>why is acting the only career where you're limited by

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<v Speaker 4>your level of education?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, the more that you have, the less.

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<v Speaker 4>No no, no, no no. The more you have, the

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<v Speaker 4>less black you are.

0:25:39.680 --> 0:25:40.600
<v Speaker 2>The less black you are.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you go ahead and say it, the less black

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<v Speaker 4>you are. And that's the problem. That's the whole situation. Oh,

0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:52.159
<v Speaker 4>that's the whole situation that really confuses me. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>if you're a black person with any substance, depth, and

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<v Speaker 4>weight you looked upon as fake, phony or not black.

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<v Speaker 3>That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>There's been times when I've gone in auditions and they're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>you ain't black, you went too Julia, or.

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<v Speaker 3>I won't say the person's name who told me that.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, that's happened to me a few times

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<v Speaker 4>in my career, you know, but we don't look at

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<v Speaker 4>it that way, And that's the sad scary part if

0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:16.440
<v Speaker 4>you went to Julia or now you're not real. We

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<v Speaker 4>got to go get somebody that shot seventeen people and

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<v Speaker 4>can actually smoke weed on set.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, some of them commercials messed that up. When

0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:26.119
<v Speaker 2>you see the commercials where the people are speaking that

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<v Speaker 2>urban thing and then they do the behind the scenes

0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:30.760
<v Speaker 2>and they're speaking proper and you're like, I think those

0:26:30.920 --> 0:26:37.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Can you talk about well, before before you started eight Mile,

0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:45.520
<v Speaker 5>you were in a string of August Wilson place. Was

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<v Speaker 5>that just strictly for how did you get involved in

0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:49.959
<v Speaker 5>those projects?

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<v Speaker 1>Were they juliarp or later?

0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:52.720
<v Speaker 3>Or was this no?

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, no no, that was just out of love

0:26:56.600 --> 0:26:59.719
<v Speaker 4>for August. I mean, you know, Piano Lesson was one

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<v Speaker 4>of the first place I saw and it literally changed

0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:04.960
<v Speaker 4>my life and changed my relationship with my father because

0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:09.520
<v Speaker 4>I didn't understand him until I saw Piano Lessons, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>So as a dear friend and someone who had a

0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:16.400
<v Speaker 4>lasting impact on my life, and that's why I named

0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:21.400
<v Speaker 4>my third son August, because of you know, his inability

0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:26.159
<v Speaker 4>to concede. You know, I mean, he did something no

0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:31.360
<v Speaker 4>other writer on earth is done. He documented a cultural uh,

0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 4>he documented a culture of people for one hundred years.

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<v Speaker 4>Mm hm, and nobody gives them props. Nobody talks about it.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it is heartbreaking at the same time, you know,

0:27:43.520 --> 0:27:44.960
<v Speaker 4>that's our fault.

0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:48.120
<v Speaker 2>So f folks giving props, but maybe not enough.

0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:51.480
<v Speaker 3>Maybe they gave him a stamp.

0:27:52.480 --> 0:27:54.360
<v Speaker 2>But it depends on what you feel like props are.

0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:56.240
<v Speaker 2>If you feel like, like, do you feel like the

0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:58.480
<v Speaker 2>black community knows who he is? Do you feel like

0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:00.439
<v Speaker 2>the world should know? In the world does, but the

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:02.879
<v Speaker 2>theater world knows. It's kind of It's interesting in that

0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:04.919
<v Speaker 2>way because I'm like, I feel like August Wilson has

0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:08.280
<v Speaker 2>been a part of the conversation for a while now,

0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:09.840
<v Speaker 2>depending on what you're talking about.

0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:12.640
<v Speaker 3>He's been a part of the conversation now.

0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:16.760
<v Speaker 4>For I would say that piano lesson since No, No, No,

0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:21.960
<v Speaker 4>since Denzel. That's then all of a sudden, it's like, oh,

0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:24.399
<v Speaker 4>we need to read this book. Oh, this should be requiring.

0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 4>Oh and it's like, you know, when he was alive,

0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 4>nobody gave him that They had been trying to make

0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:31.360
<v Speaker 4>a movie.

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:35.680
<v Speaker 3>When he was alive. Yeah, you're right, you know what

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:38.840
<v Speaker 3>I mean. So he deserves that man truth, you know,

0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:40.280
<v Speaker 3>for all tenements to be done.

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<v Speaker 1>What was it about the piano lesson that helps you

0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:43.600
<v Speaker 1>understand your dad?

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<v Speaker 4>I never realized the day to day struggles and hardships

0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:51.680
<v Speaker 4>of a black man once he left the house.

0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:54.600
<v Speaker 3>At the time he got back to my house, you know.

0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:57.840
<v Speaker 4>My dad had the big borrow still fight and kill

0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:01.520
<v Speaker 4>to make sure our roof was over our head as kids,

0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:03.479
<v Speaker 4>and then he had to come home and deal with us.

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:06.960
<v Speaker 4>There was six of months and my mom and whoever

0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:10.240
<v Speaker 4>else was in the house, you know. And I always

0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:12.200
<v Speaker 4>thought he was just a mean old dude. I always

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:14.960
<v Speaker 4>thought he was just a detached old dude. But no

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:18.040
<v Speaker 4>a month like, I always wondered why my dad would

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:19.400
<v Speaker 4>pull up to the house and sit in his truck

0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:20.719
<v Speaker 4>for thirty minutes before coming in.

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:23.920
<v Speaker 7>So man, listen, I do it to this day, I

0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:29.640
<v Speaker 7>do it right the black man driveway sitting right now.

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:31.760
<v Speaker 1>That is a real.

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<v Speaker 5>Thing, the only one in Loan Like sometimes you just

0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:38.640
<v Speaker 5>got sit in your car for twenty five minutes so

0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:41.880
<v Speaker 5>you can just I literally thought that was just.

0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:48.320
<v Speaker 1>Me, no, not alone, but that is us is And.

0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:51.160
<v Speaker 3>I never I never got that until I saw fences.

0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:54.160
<v Speaker 4>When I saw you know what, Troy Maxim had to

0:29:54.200 --> 0:29:58.040
<v Speaker 4>go through the hardships and decay that he had suffered,

0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:04.720
<v Speaker 4>the experience and bastardizing of his masculinity he went through every.

0:30:04.560 --> 0:30:06.880
<v Speaker 3>Day, and then he had to come home and deal

0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:08.240
<v Speaker 3>with his families, and.

0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 2>Then his family had to come and deal with him.

0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 4>That a man, that's a byproduct of everything that he

0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:18.080
<v Speaker 4>had to go through.

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:21.720
<v Speaker 2>Yes day, I thought about that when you were talking

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:23.680
<v Speaker 2>about your father and Wendell Pierce, and I was like,

0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:26.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, not for nothing. It's a privilege. And even

0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:28.680
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty one, depending on how old you are,

0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:32.640
<v Speaker 2>it's a privilege to be like emotionally evolved and all

0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 2>and all black men didn't have that privilege. And I

0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:35.760
<v Speaker 2>thought about your dad, and I was like, your dad

0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 2>probably didn't have the privilege that Wendell had had to

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:41.720
<v Speaker 2>be vulnerable to show emotion, to do the things that

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:44.600
<v Speaker 2>required for you know, for acting and things, because I.

0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 4>Don't know, Yeah, my dad, like I said, my dad

0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:51.080
<v Speaker 4>got kicked out of school in eighth grade. Like my dad,

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:52.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, was born in the forties, so it was

0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:57.160
<v Speaker 4>a different time, you know, we didn't, you know. Benjamin E. Mays,

0:30:57.320 --> 0:31:00.960
<v Speaker 4>who was the president of Morehouse College, said our grandparents

0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:04.760
<v Speaker 4>studied agriculture so that our parents can study math and science,

0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:09.240
<v Speaker 4>so that we can study arts and literate philosophy. Right, yeah, yeah,

0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:13.920
<v Speaker 4>my grandfather and now I think about that. My grandfather

0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:16.320
<v Speaker 4>was a sharecrop and Eddie was a contractor. And I'm

0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:20.600
<v Speaker 4>a fucking actor. That's lineage. So my dad took bullets

0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 4>and my dad took so much shit just so I

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 4>can sit here and be a goofy dude, fucking actor,

0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:28.720
<v Speaker 4>just so I can sit around and taste the coffee

0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:32.240
<v Speaker 4>in a classroom, you know what I mean. So it's

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:34.360
<v Speaker 4>just when you look at it that way, I can't

0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 4>get in no movie and start talking about in word

0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 4>this in word that. I can't get no movie and

0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:41.720
<v Speaker 4>jeopardize the legacy of my dad and my grandfather and

0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:42.720
<v Speaker 4>everything they put into me.

0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:45.640
<v Speaker 3>Hell no, you can't do that.

0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:48.440
<v Speaker 4>That's why when you when I see these T shirts,

0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:55.080
<v Speaker 4>you know, I am not my ancestors hashtag these hands.

0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I see them online. It's it's corny, it's fucking cool.

0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:01.560
<v Speaker 2>I am not my ancestor. There's that is opposite of

0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:02.840
<v Speaker 2>what black people should be saying.

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 4>That's one hundred percent, one hundred percent. But I mean

0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:10.880
<v Speaker 4>that's the generational thing. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, eyelashes and hookahs.

0:32:10.920 --> 0:32:11.520
<v Speaker 3>That's what I call.

0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:15.400
<v Speaker 2>How old is your oldest kid, Anthony?

0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:19.560
<v Speaker 3>Uh, fifty not fifty eight? Fifty eight?

0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:22.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's fine because I know, I know you're dealing

0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 2>with it and whatever.

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:24.240
<v Speaker 1>Whatever.

0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:31.600
<v Speaker 3>The ages every day, all day, TikTok the oldest kids,

0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:33.680
<v Speaker 3>he's eleven. I thought you said my oldest sister.

0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:35.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, okay, I thought you was joking, and you

0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:36.520
<v Speaker 2>would didn't want to tell.

0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:37.719
<v Speaker 3>Me he's eleven.

0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:39.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're good, okay. Me and you were cool?

0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:40.920
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Oh girl.

0:32:42.120 --> 0:32:46.040
<v Speaker 1>So before y'all weren't cool, I thought aggressive exactly.

0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:52.120
<v Speaker 3>That fans just that fair.

0:32:57.160 --> 0:33:00.520
<v Speaker 5>So when you came to New York, did you when

0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:03.520
<v Speaker 5>did you officially start pounding the payment As far as

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:07.600
<v Speaker 5>auditions are concerned with movies, Like, at what point did

0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:10.400
<v Speaker 5>you decide like, okay, I should get an agent, I

0:33:10.440 --> 0:33:10.920
<v Speaker 5>should do.

0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:13.520
<v Speaker 3>Movies, you know, going to Juilliard.

0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:17.480
<v Speaker 4>To be honest, the agents come to us, we have auditions,

0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:19.800
<v Speaker 4>and they invite all the agents.

0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:21.719
<v Speaker 2>Is there an active craft? I was about to say,

0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:33.360
<v Speaker 2>what does it look like? No, this is seriously fascinated

0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:36.120
<v Speaker 2>by Juilliard in especially I.

0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 5>Got accepted to Juilliard and couldn't afford to go, So

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:42.280
<v Speaker 5>I'm kind of like living through you right now.

0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:45.960
<v Speaker 3>Well I think you uh, I think you did all right,

0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:48.880
<v Speaker 3>So you're.

0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 1>Singing that already agents come to see, like who's.

0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:55.680
<v Speaker 4>We do something called the consortium audition, and basically you

0:33:55.800 --> 0:34:00.040
<v Speaker 4>prepare two scenes and they pair you up with someone

0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:01.560
<v Speaker 4>and the agents come.

0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:05.200
<v Speaker 3>They watch the scenes, and then we do a repertory season.

0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:07.400
<v Speaker 3>So the agents come and they're interested in you, and

0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:10.239
<v Speaker 3>they watch your plays in the repertory season. That's when

0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:13.520
<v Speaker 3>you get a meeting with whatever agent is interested in you.

0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:16.800
<v Speaker 4>Now, the interesting thing is some people get no agents

0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:21.680
<v Speaker 4>and some people get all the agents, so you know,

0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:23.239
<v Speaker 4>and then there are the people in between. I was

0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:24.600
<v Speaker 4>one of those like in between people.

0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:26.280
<v Speaker 3>I didn't have a bunch of agents, but I didn't

0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:27.080
<v Speaker 3>have no agents.

0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:30.960
<v Speaker 4>But the agent that I got with, you know in

0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:33.240
<v Speaker 4>two thousand and one, that's the same person.

0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's what's up? What is it about one thing?

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<v Speaker 7>I always wanted to know, what is it about Juilliard

0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 7>that makes it such a great school?

0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:43.520
<v Speaker 1>And like, what did you learn? What are some of

0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:44.960
<v Speaker 1>the things you learned there about acting?

0:34:45.280 --> 0:34:48.640
<v Speaker 7>That you still apply to your career today.

0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:51.960
<v Speaker 4>You know, the great thing about Julliard was at that

0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:57.160
<v Speaker 4>time there was no technique, Like, we didn't study Meisner,

0:34:57.239 --> 0:35:02.000
<v Speaker 4>we didn't study any of the acting techniques. We literally

0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:06.600
<v Speaker 4>they developed a curriculum where you built your character from

0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:11.040
<v Speaker 4>yourself and your life experiences. Then you layer things on

0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:14.719
<v Speaker 4>that character through movement. Then you layer things on that

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:17.520
<v Speaker 4>character as far as the way he talks. Then you

0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:22.640
<v Speaker 4>layer things physicality onto that character, you know, prosthetics, hair wardrobe, whatever,

0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:24.719
<v Speaker 4>and then when you look in the mirror, it's a

0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:27.240
<v Speaker 4>completely different person because he moves different, he sounds different,

0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:28.759
<v Speaker 4>he acts different than you do.

0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:31.880
<v Speaker 3>It was never an idea of technique, you know.

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:34.719
<v Speaker 4>You know because you go to school from now on

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:37.480
<v Speaker 4>your second year in you realize mais and it doesn't

0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:39.000
<v Speaker 4>work for you.

0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:39.600
<v Speaker 3>You have to start.

0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:42.280
<v Speaker 4>But if you start from yourself, you build from yourself,

0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:44.919
<v Speaker 4>you'll always be able to create an honest character because

0:35:44.920 --> 0:35:46.040
<v Speaker 4>you started with yourself.

0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's from you, Yes, it was.

0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:51.799
<v Speaker 4>You know, And that's why you can always tell when

0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:55.000
<v Speaker 4>motherfucker's are acting. Like when you saw Bernie mack and life,

0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:56.959
<v Speaker 4>he wasn't acting. He was that dude.

0:35:58.640 --> 0:35:59.799
<v Speaker 3>You know, but there's a certain others.

0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:05.719
<v Speaker 4>There were certain other people who tried to imitate that,

0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:08.520
<v Speaker 4>and you can tell they were acting because they had

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:10.400
<v Speaker 4>no substance background with that character.

0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:11.960
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:12.640
<v Speaker 4>Damn.

0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 5>So when you get a role, uh uh do you

0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:22.000
<v Speaker 5>have to go through that process where you write a

0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:26.799
<v Speaker 5>six page biography of what your character was and you know,

0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:32.360
<v Speaker 5>it's like I heard the exercise of writing a complete

0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:35.480
<v Speaker 5>biography of what your character.

0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:38.759
<v Speaker 3>Was born family, nobody, nobody do that. Ship the.

0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:47.400
<v Speaker 5>Quest is the show that everyone just knocks the.

0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:58.520
<v Speaker 1>Ship man.

0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:57.280
<v Speaker 3>Like graduated.

0:36:58.719 --> 0:36:59.239
<v Speaker 1>A c K.

0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:09.000
<v Speaker 7>But I came here to act, right Dowsis statements ship Holly.

0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:15.359
<v Speaker 1>Actors do that though, so you don't, some dude.

0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:17.240
<v Speaker 3>I for me is different.

0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:20.640
<v Speaker 4>The first thing I do is I read the script

0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:23.439
<v Speaker 4>and I break it down three three ways, because life

0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:24.360
<v Speaker 4>is about perception.

0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:27.960
<v Speaker 3>It's not about how you act. It's about how people

0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:31.360
<v Speaker 3>perceive your acts. So if I say it.

0:37:31.840 --> 0:37:35.399
<v Speaker 4>And I meant to sincerely, but you perceive it, it's sarcasting.

0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:38.160
<v Speaker 4>Your feelings are hurt, but I meant to sincerely. So

0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:40.680
<v Speaker 4>even though I was trying to be nice, it don't matter.

0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:43.200
<v Speaker 4>You took it as me being an asshole. So now

0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:45.240
<v Speaker 4>in that reality, I'm an asshole because that's.

0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:47.480
<v Speaker 1>Your perception versus intent.

0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:48.560
<v Speaker 3>There you go.

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:51.840
<v Speaker 4>So that being said, when I get a script, I

0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:54.160
<v Speaker 4>read it in three different perspectives. First, when I get

0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:56.040
<v Speaker 4>a script, I tell my agents don't tell me who

0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:59.279
<v Speaker 4>I'm playing, because you know, I want to read the

0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:01.520
<v Speaker 4>script for the story. If the story don't work, if

0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:04.239
<v Speaker 4>the characters don't work, I'm not doing it. So when

0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:06.440
<v Speaker 4>you read a script, you read it from the perspective

0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:11.719
<v Speaker 4>of the writer, which no character delineage is involved. Get

0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:15.160
<v Speaker 4>it from the perspective of your character, and then you

0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:17.880
<v Speaker 4>read it from the perspective of the other characters talking

0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:21.720
<v Speaker 4>about you, and you highlight your three different colors because

0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:23.759
<v Speaker 4>then you know, if you're walking down the street and

0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:25.759
<v Speaker 4>you're like, you know, you walk up to a girl

0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:28.680
<v Speaker 4>and you're like, hey, how you doing. That's when while

0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:30.839
<v Speaker 4>you're walking down the street, they cut to two girls

0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:32.279
<v Speaker 4>across the street and they're like, look at that old

0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:34.080
<v Speaker 4>goofy motherfucker walking down the street.

0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:37.200
<v Speaker 3>So you know, you walking goofy, you don't look cool.

0:38:37.239 --> 0:38:40.759
<v Speaker 3>You look goofy, right right right right, So that affects

0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:43.520
<v Speaker 3>the way you walk. That affects the way you handle

0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:46.800
<v Speaker 3>that moment. So the best information you get in the

0:38:46.800 --> 0:38:48.759
<v Speaker 3>script is what the writer says about you. So if

0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:50.520
<v Speaker 3>you read a script from the writer's perspective and they

0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:53.719
<v Speaker 3>say he walk into a room, mug face, sullen, and

0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:57.560
<v Speaker 3>his first line is oh, I'm so hungry, you know

0:38:57.640 --> 0:39:00.080
<v Speaker 3>exactly the emotion to put on that line when you

0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:02.000
<v Speaker 3>say it, You know what I mean.

0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:04.719
<v Speaker 4>So you have the three different perspectives of how you

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:07.400
<v Speaker 4>read the script. Then once I feel like I have

0:39:07.640 --> 0:39:10.400
<v Speaker 4>a grasping idea of the emotional state of the character,

0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:13.880
<v Speaker 4>I find a piece of art, I find a song,

0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:17.279
<v Speaker 4>and I find clothing that I feel capture the essence.

0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:19.360
<v Speaker 3>Of the character. I always I buy a piece of

0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:20.480
<v Speaker 3>art for every movie I do.

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:23.880
<v Speaker 7>What was the What was your in terms of you know,

0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:25.920
<v Speaker 7>you talk about finding yourself inside a character.

0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:30.160
<v Speaker 1>Where were you in your character for the hurt Locker?

0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:32.399
<v Speaker 3>You know what?

0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:35.879
<v Speaker 4>The hurt Locker is a great question, hurt The hurt

0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:38.520
<v Speaker 4>Locker was interesting because for me, the racial.

0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:41.960
<v Speaker 3>Dynamic played everything about that you have a black.

0:39:41.840 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 4>So just trying to make it home to his family

0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:45.759
<v Speaker 4>and trying to make it Who's trying to make his

0:39:45.800 --> 0:39:46.880
<v Speaker 4>life better so he can.

0:39:46.800 --> 0:39:49.040
<v Speaker 3>Use his gi Biel and go to college. That's the

0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:49.759
<v Speaker 3>way I played it.

0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:51.680
<v Speaker 4>That's the character I developed because he wanted to go

0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:54.840
<v Speaker 4>to engineering school because if you look at Bond text,

0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:56.120
<v Speaker 4>they're very smart guys.

0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:58.680
<v Speaker 3>I mean, these guys go to be Georgia Tech, you

0:39:58.719 --> 0:39:59.120
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean.

0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:04.680
<v Speaker 4>He's a dude who went to undergraduate school and state school,

0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:07.440
<v Speaker 4>went became a bomb tech, and now he's hoping to

0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:09.480
<v Speaker 4>get back home so he can go to MIT or

0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:11.880
<v Speaker 4>you know, Georgia Tech and become an engineer so he

0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:14.239
<v Speaker 4>can do better for his family. That's when he don't

0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:18.239
<v Speaker 4>have the privilege to come and goofall and do all

0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:22.040
<v Speaker 4>this shit like the white dude, you know. And once

0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:25.120
<v Speaker 4>again it's an example of a white getting privilege just

0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:30.320
<v Speaker 4>simply because of who he is. So that that arrogant,

0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:33.960
<v Speaker 4>that dynamic of frustration is what pushed sam Born to

0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:35.879
<v Speaker 4>the point where he was like, I might just kill

0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:40.000
<v Speaker 4>a sponsor. If it stands between me and him going home,

0:40:40.080 --> 0:40:40.799
<v Speaker 4>I will kill him.

0:40:41.680 --> 0:40:44.480
<v Speaker 7>How much of that for that particular movie, how much

0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:49.400
<v Speaker 7>of that is you bring into it versus what Catherine

0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:51.480
<v Speaker 7>is like kind of directing you to do.

0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:54.600
<v Speaker 4>Oh, that was one hundred percent my Juilliard experience. But

0:40:57.680 --> 0:40:59.880
<v Speaker 4>oh yeah, when I read that script, I was like,

0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:03.279
<v Speaker 4>this is Juliard. Yeah, I'm getting my ass kicked and

0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:05.560
<v Speaker 4>bust and work in my fucking ass off laying under

0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:07.360
<v Speaker 4>a piano so I can work on tune in my

0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:09.840
<v Speaker 4>ears so I could hear different accents and sounds.

0:41:09.840 --> 0:41:12.240
<v Speaker 3>And this is mofuck. Ain't even bringing scenes in classes.

0:41:12.320 --> 0:41:15.920
<v Speaker 3>He's the leader of late. He's the lead. And I

0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:17.880
<v Speaker 3>never got to lead my entire time was there. The

0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:19.160
<v Speaker 3>only time I got to lead when I was at

0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:22.640
<v Speaker 3>julia Art was when I created it. I get it.

0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:25.640
<v Speaker 3>I get it one time. Shame on you?

0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:28.000
<v Speaker 1>What was what?

0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:30.080
<v Speaker 2>What was the song? What was your song? For hurt Locker?

0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:30.520
<v Speaker 1>What was it?

0:41:31.360 --> 0:41:34.880
<v Speaker 3>Remember you know what it was? What was it? I

0:41:35.440 --> 0:41:36.200
<v Speaker 3>the piece of art.

0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:40.840
<v Speaker 4>I got a h Jacob Lawrence painting called Funeral Procession

0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:45.080
<v Speaker 4>in which literally took my whole herd Locker check here,

0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 4>I mean, but it's as.

0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:50.879
<v Speaker 3>You can't you can't.

0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:57.440
<v Speaker 4>Note, you know I got a piece called Funeral Procession

0:41:57.440 --> 0:42:00.320
<v Speaker 4>because you know when when I when I at that

0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:02.520
<v Speaker 4>piece and I thought about the dignity of this man

0:42:02.640 --> 0:42:04.960
<v Speaker 4>coming home and his mama taking him to church and

0:42:04.960 --> 0:42:08.520
<v Speaker 4>saying look, my baby made it through the war. You

0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:10.680
<v Speaker 4>know how important is that to a soldier for his

0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:14.640
<v Speaker 4>mama to see her baby coming up the drive man?

0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:20.879
<v Speaker 2>You know the famous yeah, the house, Yeah, the whole

0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:21.520
<v Speaker 2>episode on it.

0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:25.319
<v Speaker 4>And the song. I can't remember the song. I remember

0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:27.239
<v Speaker 4>it was a Tupac song because all I listened to

0:42:27.280 --> 0:42:30.799
<v Speaker 4>was Tupac, but I can't remember which one it was.

0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:34.359
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure it had a you know, motherfucker kicks ship. Now,

0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:35.040
<v Speaker 4>something about that.

0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:44.279
<v Speaker 1>Wenes I wish. I wish they would have known.

0:42:44.320 --> 0:42:46.960
<v Speaker 7>I wish they would have said something because in the

0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:50.759
<v Speaker 7>marketing for Notorious, because when I saw Notorious, and I

0:42:50.800 --> 0:42:52.040
<v Speaker 7>mean I had seen you in a lot of stuff,

0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:54.239
<v Speaker 7>proud of that, but I was like, yo, why did

0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:56.759
<v Speaker 7>they cast Anthony Mackie's pot Like that didn't make sense

0:42:56.800 --> 0:42:59.200
<v Speaker 7>to me. They gave you the backstory is yeah, but

0:42:59.239 --> 0:43:01.080
<v Speaker 7>now what I'm hearing and something like damn, why didn't

0:43:01.080 --> 0:43:03.680
<v Speaker 7>they make it a little bit in the press but

0:43:03.840 --> 0:43:05.000
<v Speaker 7>not context?

0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, because because that would have set it up.

0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 7>That would have set you up so much better, in

0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:11.520
<v Speaker 7>my opinion, just to give context as to why you

0:43:11.560 --> 0:43:12.479
<v Speaker 7>were playing that role.

0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:16.960
<v Speaker 3>The interesting thing about Tac, because my first job.

0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:20.640
<v Speaker 4>Like I said, I played Tupac off Broadway and his

0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:24.439
<v Speaker 4>mama came, and his sister came, and all his boys came,

0:43:25.280 --> 0:43:28.359
<v Speaker 4>and they were like, yo, you killed that ship. So

0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:31.560
<v Speaker 4>when they said that, nobody else's opinion matters. Like the

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:33.360
<v Speaker 4>biggest thing, the biggest.

0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:35.640
<v Speaker 3>Thing I got from people about Notorious was he don't look.

0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:38.920
<v Speaker 4>Like And I'm like, if that's the only thing you

0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:41.560
<v Speaker 4>can say, then I won food.

0:43:41.880 --> 0:43:42.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:45.440
<v Speaker 3>One if you can say, oh, he was good, but

0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:49.239
<v Speaker 3>it don't look like all right, fine, you go cast

0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:52.759
<v Speaker 3>somebody that looked like see how that was? Yeah, you

0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:53.440
<v Speaker 3>know what I'm saying.

0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:56.520
<v Speaker 4>And they do that so much like they cast people

0:43:56.600 --> 0:43:58.919
<v Speaker 4>that can sing and can act, and then you see

0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 4>the movie and it's like, like, why didn't he just

0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:03.240
<v Speaker 4>cast somebody who could act and dubbed the singers?

0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Uh, you're right, yep, you're right.

0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:08.640
<v Speaker 4>You know if all of us was Jennifer Hudson, she

0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:09.680
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't be special.

0:44:14.440 --> 0:44:17.239
<v Speaker 5>Can you talk about the process that led up to

0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:22.000
<v Speaker 5>what I'm assuming is your first film, which is eight Mile. Yeah,

0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:24.960
<v Speaker 5>at the time when it was presented to you.

0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Papa Doc. Yeah, at the time when it was presented

0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:29.000
<v Speaker 1>to you, did you.

0:44:29.480 --> 0:44:36.880
<v Speaker 5>Think that this would be Oscar caliber and critically acclaimed,

0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:40.719
<v Speaker 5>because even even when I heard about the rumors of

0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:44.120
<v Speaker 5>eight Mile happening, I think in my mind I just

0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:48.360
<v Speaker 5>filed it in the kind of somewhere in between Doctor

0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:56.440
<v Speaker 5>Dre's the Wash and the Brain. Yeah, Miss Voice. At

0:44:56.480 --> 0:44:59.480
<v Speaker 5>the time, it's just like Eminem's doing a movie. Okay, cool,

0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:02.840
<v Speaker 5>But you know, I was shocked that, you know, everyone

0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:03.839
<v Speaker 5>it was it was.

0:45:04.880 --> 0:45:06.880
<v Speaker 1>I was shocked that it was great.

0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:12.480
<v Speaker 5>So you know, what was the process of of you

0:45:12.520 --> 0:45:14.480
<v Speaker 5>getting the role, like the audition process?

0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:20.160
<v Speaker 4>And well, the ironic thing was so I had just

0:45:20.160 --> 0:45:22.160
<v Speaker 4>got out of school. My first movie I did was

0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:24.640
<v Speaker 4>this movie called Brother or Brother, which to me is

0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:27.000
<v Speaker 4>some of the best acting or the best acting I've

0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:29.479
<v Speaker 4>done in my career, which is sad to say because

0:45:29.480 --> 0:45:30.520
<v Speaker 4>it was my first fucking movie.

0:45:30.600 --> 0:45:33.719
<v Speaker 1>But now I'm going to ask you about that. I'm

0:45:33.719 --> 0:45:34.520
<v Speaker 1>going to ask you about that.

0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:39.520
<v Speaker 4>When I was doing Tubac off off Broadway at New

0:45:39.600 --> 0:45:42.560
<v Speaker 4>York Theater Workshout, and this woman, Molly Finn, God Rest

0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:44.720
<v Speaker 4>her soul, one of the best casting agents in the business,

0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:45.840
<v Speaker 4>came to see the play.

0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:47.560
<v Speaker 3>Because she was doing a movie about hip hop.

0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:49.880
<v Speaker 4>She came back stage afterwards and was like, you know,

0:45:49.920 --> 0:45:51.359
<v Speaker 4>I want you to audition for the movie.

0:45:51.360 --> 0:45:53.520
<v Speaker 3>She called my age Curtis.

0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:58.120
<v Speaker 4>So when I read the script, the script was very

0:45:58.120 --> 0:46:00.720
<v Speaker 4>different than the way it is in the movie.

0:46:00.960 --> 0:46:03.160
<v Speaker 3>The script was very very.

0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:08.200
<v Speaker 4>Different, like Scott Silver like, we we completely rewrote that script,

0:46:08.239 --> 0:46:10.919
<v Speaker 4>Eminem and Makaiya completely rewrote that script.

0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:14.760
<v Speaker 3>Every day before we walked on set. But it became

0:46:14.840 --> 0:46:15.440
<v Speaker 3>his truth.

0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:18.960
<v Speaker 4>You know, everything about that movie was truth, even his

0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:23.239
<v Speaker 4>battle against me, calling me Clarence because my parents had

0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:23.760
<v Speaker 4>a good.

0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:27.960
<v Speaker 3>Marriage, I went to private school.

0:46:29.800 --> 0:46:30.000
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:46:30.080 --> 0:46:32.600
<v Speaker 5>He just used those facts from your actual life against

0:46:32.600 --> 0:46:32.880
<v Speaker 5>you and.

0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:37.239
<v Speaker 4>Wrote a rap about Wow. That's why I was so

0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:38.040
<v Speaker 4>mad at the end.

0:46:38.080 --> 0:46:39.400
<v Speaker 3>I was like, am I gonna have to sneak in

0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:42.160
<v Speaker 3>anem on stage.

0:46:44.480 --> 0:46:46.720
<v Speaker 1>And you and you didn't know that he had written

0:46:46.719 --> 0:46:48.799
<v Speaker 1>that before. You didn't know it until you heard it.

0:46:49.200 --> 0:46:51.399
<v Speaker 4>No, he came up to me before and he was like, yo,

0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:54.239
<v Speaker 4>you know, I just wanted to warn you, like there's

0:46:54.280 --> 0:46:56.600
<v Speaker 4>no reason for me not to like your character, Like

0:46:56.640 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 4>your character is a cool.

0:46:57.560 --> 0:46:59.640
<v Speaker 3>Dude, Like you a cool dude. I was like thanks.

0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:02.200
<v Speaker 3>He was like, so, you know, I went online got

0:47:02.239 --> 0:47:04.600
<v Speaker 3>some stuff, and you know, I wrote a rap. Hey,

0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:06.719
<v Speaker 3>I wrote a rap and you know I'm gonna do

0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:09.120
<v Speaker 3>it when we, you know, get on stage.

0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:15.600
<v Speaker 1>I was like, that was a warning dope, man, that's

0:47:15.640 --> 0:47:18.719
<v Speaker 1>all you get. Wow, that's it.

0:47:18.920 --> 0:47:24.600
<v Speaker 4>Oh then he opened his fucking mouth and I was like, this.

0:47:24.440 --> 0:47:29.319
<v Speaker 1>Motherfucker, how many takes was that?

0:47:30.600 --> 0:47:31.279
<v Speaker 3>Uh? One?

0:47:31.560 --> 0:47:33.719
<v Speaker 4>Because the crazy thing about the wrap back of the

0:47:33.800 --> 0:47:36.440
<v Speaker 4>rap battle scene him and it was sick, so he

0:47:36.480 --> 0:47:39.839
<v Speaker 4>couldn't do a lot of takes, so he literally did

0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:42.480
<v Speaker 4>it in one take and then after that it was

0:47:42.560 --> 0:47:45.600
<v Speaker 4>just like him lipping it and like doing the motions

0:47:47.360 --> 0:47:49.239
<v Speaker 4>and they would play it back on the speaker. But

0:47:49.520 --> 0:47:52.640
<v Speaker 4>the ship he did like that, And anybody will tell you.

0:47:52.680 --> 0:47:55.840
<v Speaker 4>When we did that rap battle scene, they literally brought

0:47:55.880 --> 0:47:59.560
<v Speaker 4>in like three hundred people in this stage they built.

0:47:59.800 --> 0:47:59.880
<v Speaker 3>And.

0:48:01.360 --> 0:48:04.200
<v Speaker 1>They were and Detroit.

0:48:04.520 --> 0:48:06.120
<v Speaker 4>It was supposed to be the st Andrews, but this

0:48:06.239 --> 0:48:09.680
<v Speaker 4>was a room that they built on the stage, right,

0:48:10.040 --> 0:48:13.040
<v Speaker 4>So they bring us in there and everybody else was

0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:16.040
<v Speaker 4>like a budding rapper. So everybody was looking at me like, Yo,

0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:17.919
<v Speaker 4>how the fuck they cast this dude to play a rapper?

0:48:17.920 --> 0:48:20.640
<v Speaker 4>Were gonna suck him up when we wrapped? And I'm like, uh,

0:48:21.160 --> 0:48:22.840
<v Speaker 4>we're acting sir, so.

0:48:24.680 --> 0:48:28.759
<v Speaker 3>We're acting. Curtis Hansen was like, Yo, you know.

0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:32.160
<v Speaker 4>We need some b roll of people rapping against him

0:48:32.160 --> 0:48:34.040
<v Speaker 4>and them so we can see him working his way

0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:37.480
<v Speaker 4>up the ladder of beating people. So we're gonna, you know,

0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:39.640
<v Speaker 4>we need six of you guys to come up in

0:48:39.680 --> 0:48:42.359
<v Speaker 4>freestyle against him. He's not gonna say anything because he's

0:48:42.360 --> 0:48:44.120
<v Speaker 4>feeling kind of the weather under the weather.

0:48:44.160 --> 0:48:46.759
<v Speaker 3>We just need footage of you, like rapping against him.

0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:50.479
<v Speaker 4>So these six motherfuckers got up and the first dude

0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:52.759
<v Speaker 4>got up and was like, blah blah blah blah, you

0:48:52.840 --> 0:48:54.960
<v Speaker 4>suck blah blah blah, and the audience was like, yeah,

0:48:55.160 --> 0:48:56.680
<v Speaker 4>go yeah.

0:48:57.280 --> 0:48:59.680
<v Speaker 3>Second person got up and it was a little chick,

0:49:00.400 --> 0:49:05.959
<v Speaker 3>and a little chick gave Eminem his lunch and when

0:49:06.000 --> 0:49:08.640
<v Speaker 3>she finished, the crowd went crazy. It was like a rap.

0:49:08.680 --> 0:49:10.560
<v Speaker 3>It was. It was the Apallo in this mock. It

0:49:10.640 --> 0:49:13.759
<v Speaker 3>was crazy. So then Eminem looked at the crowd and

0:49:13.760 --> 0:49:16.040
<v Speaker 3>looked at her and was like, nah, funk this. He

0:49:16.200 --> 0:49:22.399
<v Speaker 3>turned the mic and you see the little girl face like,

0:49:22.760 --> 0:49:24.160
<v Speaker 3>what are you doing? You're not supposed to what do

0:49:24.200 --> 0:49:33.880
<v Speaker 3>you do? Yo? In off the domes heshit, I mean.

0:49:35.719 --> 0:49:38.480
<v Speaker 4>Literally he finished this girl to a point. I'm sure

0:49:38.520 --> 0:49:40.279
<v Speaker 4>she went and became a nurse and gave him.

0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:48.520
<v Speaker 3>And then the next dude gets up and he's like, oh,

0:49:48.680 --> 0:49:50.480
<v Speaker 3>ship Emine.

0:49:50.280 --> 0:49:55.560
<v Speaker 4>Was like okay, and I like your rhymes.

0:49:59.719 --> 0:50:04.280
<v Speaker 5>So when when they were doing b roll were they

0:50:05.600 --> 0:50:09.120
<v Speaker 5>were they addressing him as rabbit but just kind of

0:50:09.560 --> 0:50:13.359
<v Speaker 5>suddenly using uh emine references that you.

0:50:13.280 --> 0:50:16.920
<v Speaker 4>Know exactly they were talking about because you know, they

0:50:16.960 --> 0:50:19.960
<v Speaker 4>were talking about him as eminems but they were like, yo,

0:50:20.040 --> 0:50:21.719
<v Speaker 4>you know when you talk about him, you know, talk

0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:24.759
<v Speaker 4>about him as rabbit, not as eminem. So they're like

0:50:24.920 --> 0:50:25.879
<v Speaker 4>cool because you know, all these.

0:50:25.760 --> 0:50:28.759
<v Speaker 3>Two really talented rappers, So they were just coming off

0:50:28.760 --> 0:50:30.720
<v Speaker 3>their head, like for freestyle ship.

0:50:31.080 --> 0:50:38.080
<v Speaker 4>Man, Mike, that was it.

0:50:38.080 --> 0:50:39.120
<v Speaker 3>It was it. It was dumb.

0:50:40.520 --> 0:50:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Did you did you not fear?

0:50:43.480 --> 0:50:46.720
<v Speaker 5>But were you concerned that you actually had to prep

0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:49.399
<v Speaker 5>as a freestyle MC to nail this role?

0:50:50.000 --> 0:50:52.160
<v Speaker 4>I'll tell you, Like I told Curtis Hanson, I was like,

0:50:52.160 --> 0:50:56.279
<v Speaker 4>you give me a week, I could fly helicopter. So

0:50:56.360 --> 0:50:59.120
<v Speaker 4>he was he was like, he was like, because when

0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:00.680
<v Speaker 4>I first got the role, it's what was funny.

0:51:01.120 --> 0:51:02.839
<v Speaker 3>I only had four lines.

0:51:02.520 --> 0:51:04.920
<v Speaker 4>And three singles, and I was only supposed to be

0:51:04.920 --> 0:51:08.200
<v Speaker 4>there a week, and the longer I was there, Curtis

0:51:08.200 --> 0:51:11.200
<v Speaker 4>started developing a role because we got along together so well.

0:51:11.239 --> 0:51:13.719
<v Speaker 4>He started giving me more sings. Then he was like, yo,

0:51:13.760 --> 0:51:14.760
<v Speaker 4>can you stay longer?

0:51:15.560 --> 0:51:17.399
<v Speaker 3>I was like, hell, yeah, I ain't got no job.

0:51:17.840 --> 0:51:21.719
<v Speaker 4>So I literally stayed there and then he comes up

0:51:21.719 --> 0:51:23.440
<v Speaker 4>to me one day and he's like, yo, Anthony, can

0:51:23.440 --> 0:51:34.680
<v Speaker 4>you rap? And I'm like yep, I'm like can you rap?

0:51:34.960 --> 0:51:42.080
<v Speaker 3>Can they read Shakespeare? Nor so?

0:51:42.160 --> 0:51:44.160
<v Speaker 1>Wait? You wrote your rhyme during that battle?

0:51:44.840 --> 0:51:49.160
<v Speaker 3>No, there was this uh, this uh freestyle rapper named Craigs.

0:51:50.160 --> 0:51:53.279
<v Speaker 1>He was the one that.

0:51:52.480 --> 0:51:56.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, No, we worked together and I gave him. I

0:51:56.800 --> 0:51:59.200
<v Speaker 3>gave him some ship and he took it and made

0:51:59.200 --> 0:52:03.359
<v Speaker 3>it into a rap. Because when I did it, it

0:52:03.440 --> 0:52:10.160
<v Speaker 3>was like, yo, yo, check it, check it.

0:52:10.840 --> 0:52:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Yo, yo. That ship to get you killed in the battle,

0:52:14.320 --> 0:52:16.080
<v Speaker 1>you got to come right off. You gotta come right

0:52:16.120 --> 0:52:16.640
<v Speaker 1>off with it.

0:52:16.640 --> 0:52:17.799
<v Speaker 2>It's like jumping.

0:52:19.120 --> 0:52:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Wait, can I ask is yo? Yo? Uh? The black

0:52:23.640 --> 0:52:26.759
<v Speaker 1>version of well my name is done? And I'm here

0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:32.080
<v Speaker 1>to say here to say right right straight up, stalling bro.

0:52:34.880 --> 0:52:39.080
<v Speaker 4>I said, yo, check it for like sixteen balls. This

0:52:39.120 --> 0:52:42.600
<v Speaker 4>motherfucker's like, all right, sit down. But he really, you know,

0:52:43.080 --> 0:52:46.360
<v Speaker 4>we sat down for like forty five minutes and really

0:52:46.480 --> 0:52:49.120
<v Speaker 4>crafted some ship where I could get you know, grid

0:52:49.160 --> 0:52:52.359
<v Speaker 4>me in emotional with it and really show like the

0:52:52.480 --> 0:52:55.680
<v Speaker 4>skills of Poppa Doc as a as a battle rap,

0:52:55.719 --> 0:52:59.040
<v Speaker 4>as a freestyle wrapper. And you know, so I owe

0:52:59.080 --> 0:53:00.560
<v Speaker 4>it all to him. I mean, if it wasn't him,

0:53:00.560 --> 0:53:01.879
<v Speaker 4>out looked like booty up him.

0:53:02.719 --> 0:53:05.640
<v Speaker 5>Okay, all right, so I have I have a question

0:53:05.640 --> 0:53:09.160
<v Speaker 5>about Brother the brother. So, of course, now in twenty

0:53:09.200 --> 0:53:13.600
<v Speaker 5>twenty or twenty twenty one, we're slowly becoming more evolved

0:53:14.320 --> 0:53:18.160
<v Speaker 5>when when dealing with people who are culturally different than

0:53:19.600 --> 0:53:23.040
<v Speaker 5>the rest of the world. Your character was a homosexual

0:53:23.520 --> 0:53:27.799
<v Speaker 5>in this film, so you know, I remember distinctly an

0:53:27.800 --> 0:53:31.279
<v Speaker 5>interview that Will Smith gave in which he said that

0:53:31.960 --> 0:53:33.320
<v Speaker 5>Denzel told him.

0:53:33.440 --> 0:53:35.120
<v Speaker 3>Right would end his career.

0:53:35.600 --> 0:53:35.799
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:53:35.920 --> 0:53:39.120
<v Speaker 5>He gave him a warning about six degrees and said that,

0:53:39.160 --> 0:53:42.160
<v Speaker 5>you know, be careful how you play this role because

0:53:42.160 --> 0:53:45.680
<v Speaker 5>this could destroy your career where you know. Of course,

0:53:45.800 --> 0:53:50.920
<v Speaker 5>now again we're inching towards being evolved as humans in

0:53:50.960 --> 0:53:54.600
<v Speaker 5>twenty twenty one, but back in two thousand and four

0:53:54.840 --> 0:54:00.799
<v Speaker 5>we weren't quite there. So how difficult or or hard

0:54:00.960 --> 0:54:03.560
<v Speaker 5>was it to accept this role as you're the first,

0:54:03.800 --> 0:54:05.759
<v Speaker 5>so technically you're saying that this is the first movie

0:54:05.760 --> 0:54:08.400
<v Speaker 5>that you made, even though eight Mile came out first.

0:54:08.520 --> 0:54:12.879
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, So I asked for that role. The young

0:54:12.960 --> 0:54:16.920
<v Speaker 4>man Rodney Evans, who wrote Brother to Brother, he offered

0:54:16.920 --> 0:54:19.440
<v Speaker 4>me the role of the poet that was played by

0:54:19.520 --> 0:54:22.480
<v Speaker 4>Larry Gillier because he felt like you needed a gay

0:54:22.560 --> 0:54:23.839
<v Speaker 4>man to play.

0:54:23.880 --> 0:54:24.600
<v Speaker 3>The gay role.

0:54:25.800 --> 0:54:27.759
<v Speaker 4>He was like, you played Tupac, There's no way you

0:54:27.760 --> 0:54:28.840
<v Speaker 4>can play a gay character.

0:54:28.920 --> 0:54:34.600
<v Speaker 3>What. I went to Juilliard, So I literally said, I

0:54:34.640 --> 0:54:39.759
<v Speaker 3>went to Julliard. I read a scene for him, and

0:54:40.520 --> 0:54:42.439
<v Speaker 3>he was like, all right, I'll give you the role.

0:54:42.480 --> 0:54:43.359
<v Speaker 3>You can play the role.

0:54:44.080 --> 0:54:46.960
<v Speaker 4>And you know what was weird, Like when I was

0:54:47.000 --> 0:54:55.000
<v Speaker 4>in school, I realized that I was a sexist homophobia.

0:54:53.640 --> 0:54:55.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a whole black man in the nineties.

0:54:56.400 --> 0:54:57.760
<v Speaker 1>What made you realize that.

0:54:59.120 --> 0:54:59.919
<v Speaker 3>There was this act?

0:55:00.840 --> 0:55:04.000
<v Speaker 4>My freshman summer, I went to Chautauqua, New York to

0:55:04.160 --> 0:55:10.400
<v Speaker 4>do a Shakespeare and I said something stupid about my gay.

0:55:10.280 --> 0:55:14.359
<v Speaker 3>Teacher, and this other actor came up to me and

0:55:14.480 --> 0:55:15.200
<v Speaker 3>set me straight.

0:55:16.000 --> 0:55:19.600
<v Speaker 4>You know, I just felt like less than a human

0:55:19.680 --> 0:55:22.879
<v Speaker 4>being for even looking at it, think for thinking it

0:55:22.920 --> 0:55:25.520
<v Speaker 4>was okay to look at another human being that.

0:55:25.400 --> 0:55:29.920
<v Speaker 3>Way just because of their sexual preference. And I was ashamed.

0:55:29.960 --> 0:55:32.960
<v Speaker 3>I was literally ashamed of myself.

0:55:33.719 --> 0:55:36.520
<v Speaker 4>And it took me those three years to exercise that

0:55:36.640 --> 0:55:39.719
<v Speaker 4>demon And the culmination of that was when I read

0:55:39.800 --> 0:55:42.439
<v Speaker 4>brother or Brother, I look, look, if I'm an actor, you.

0:55:42.360 --> 0:55:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Know, I.

0:55:44.360 --> 0:55:46.800
<v Speaker 4>Need to play this role so that I can understand

0:55:46.840 --> 0:55:48.839
<v Speaker 4>the day to day struggles or what a young gay

0:55:48.840 --> 0:55:49.600
<v Speaker 4>black man gohoes?

0:55:50.520 --> 0:55:52.200
<v Speaker 1>And did that role help you understand that?

0:55:53.440 --> 0:55:55.720
<v Speaker 3>It changed my life. It changed my perspective on life.

0:55:56.160 --> 0:56:00.839
<v Speaker 2>So talk about that in relation to your Black Mirror

0:56:00.880 --> 0:56:06.440
<v Speaker 2>episode Striking Vipers, because that was like next level. It

0:56:06.640 --> 0:56:08.360
<v Speaker 2>was decades.

0:56:08.000 --> 0:56:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Afterwards that also went in the direction I.

0:56:10.840 --> 0:56:14.319
<v Speaker 2>Did not, and it didn't, but I was. I was

0:56:14.320 --> 0:56:16.080
<v Speaker 2>so here for it because it was I mean, it's back.

0:56:16.360 --> 0:56:18.080
<v Speaker 2>So it always makes you think differently and it always

0:56:18.080 --> 0:56:20.680
<v Speaker 2>makes you think this shit could happen. So I was

0:56:20.719 --> 0:56:24.000
<v Speaker 2>here for these two black men having this this beautiful moment.

0:56:24.080 --> 0:56:25.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what do you? What are you saying?

0:56:26.360 --> 0:56:28.920
<v Speaker 4>The idea of striking vipers, which was so funny. It's

0:56:28.960 --> 0:56:32.640
<v Speaker 4>the point of cential romance. Every dude would agree when

0:56:32.680 --> 0:56:34.400
<v Speaker 4>you out with your boys and you're having a good

0:56:34.440 --> 0:56:35.840
<v Speaker 4>time and your girl call, You're.

0:56:35.640 --> 0:56:39.279
<v Speaker 3>Like, fuck, give me a minute, and you jumping.

0:56:39.600 --> 0:56:42.680
<v Speaker 1>At the top. They were out having with my boys, right,

0:56:42.800 --> 0:56:43.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm just killing.

0:56:44.120 --> 0:56:45.239
<v Speaker 3>And then she's like come home.

0:56:45.280 --> 0:56:46.879
<v Speaker 4>You're like, damn, I don't want to leave my boys

0:56:46.920 --> 0:56:50.040
<v Speaker 4>because I'm having so much fun, you know. So it's

0:56:50.040 --> 0:56:52.480
<v Speaker 4>the same thing with Striking Vipers. It's just they took

0:56:52.520 --> 0:56:55.239
<v Speaker 4>it in a virtual sense. And the funny thing about

0:56:55.280 --> 0:56:57.279
<v Speaker 4>it was when I read for Striking Vipers, it was

0:56:57.320 --> 0:56:59.400
<v Speaker 4>supposed to be two white dudes. Then the director was like,

0:56:59.440 --> 0:57:01.239
<v Speaker 4>maybe it could be a white dude and a black dude,

0:57:01.280 --> 0:57:05.880
<v Speaker 4>and then one to the director. The director was like,

0:57:06.000 --> 0:57:10.719
<v Speaker 4>I've of homosexuality in the black community. Wouldn't we fuck

0:57:10.840 --> 0:57:13.200
<v Speaker 4>people up if we do it with two black dudes?

0:57:14.000 --> 0:57:14.320
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

0:57:14.680 --> 0:57:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

0:57:15.239 --> 0:57:17.120
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, yes you would.

0:57:17.520 --> 0:57:19.640
<v Speaker 4>And he's like, I think black people need to see this,

0:57:19.720 --> 0:57:21.160
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, yes, they do.

0:57:21.760 --> 0:57:21.960
<v Speaker 3>Yes.

0:57:22.960 --> 0:57:26.840
<v Speaker 4>It was literally this little white European director who was like, Yo,

0:57:26.880 --> 0:57:29.520
<v Speaker 4>I'm putting this shit out there on blacks.

0:57:29.120 --> 0:57:31.040
<v Speaker 2>Yo, and the two actors and it's so dope too,

0:57:31.040 --> 0:57:33.240
<v Speaker 2>because it could have been too perfect. Act as you

0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:35.919
<v Speaker 2>and y'a. I like, especially the perception and the roles

0:57:35.920 --> 0:57:39.120
<v Speaker 2>that y'all have already paid in the past. So that's

0:57:39.120 --> 0:57:42.400
<v Speaker 2>why that reaction with Fonte was probably how everybody felt

0:57:42.400 --> 0:57:44.320
<v Speaker 2>because they would have never imagined these two actors.

0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I didn't see that that episode going in

0:57:46.560 --> 0:57:47.080
<v Speaker 1>that direction.

0:57:47.480 --> 0:57:49.320
<v Speaker 4>Was sitting on in the airport and there was a

0:57:49.400 --> 0:57:53.280
<v Speaker 4>dude sitting across from me playing his low like Nintendo switch, right,

0:57:53.840 --> 0:57:55.880
<v Speaker 4>So he's playing his switch and he looks up and

0:57:55.880 --> 0:58:03.720
<v Speaker 4>he sees my face and he's like, yo.

0:58:04.080 --> 0:58:06.560
<v Speaker 3>He turned his switched off and put it in his bag.

0:58:10.160 --> 0:58:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Because because not for nothing have you have you heard

0:58:12.400 --> 0:58:15.080
<v Speaker 2>any feedback from any especially gay black man. I have

0:58:15.280 --> 0:58:17.720
<v Speaker 2>a gay black brother that talks about this episode. He's

0:58:17.720 --> 0:58:19.520
<v Speaker 2>a fan. He's a big marble head anyway, so he's

0:58:19.520 --> 0:58:22.720
<v Speaker 2>Anny Mackie fan. But for him it meant something different

0:58:22.760 --> 0:58:24.560
<v Speaker 2>as well. So I was curious if you got any

0:58:24.600 --> 0:58:25.680
<v Speaker 2>feedback about that.

0:58:26.280 --> 0:58:29.120
<v Speaker 1>You know, well, time out, time out, Time out, Margaret,

0:58:29.200 --> 0:58:30.080
<v Speaker 1>you have a brother.

0:58:31.160 --> 0:58:33.960
<v Speaker 2>A black you know, my play brother black people?

0:58:33.960 --> 0:58:34.240
<v Speaker 1>All right?

0:58:34.280 --> 0:58:40.840
<v Speaker 5>Good lies man. We all asked the question Wolf tickets

0:58:40.880 --> 0:58:42.680
<v Speaker 5>and ship. You know, it was just five years into

0:58:42.760 --> 0:58:44.600
<v Speaker 5>the show. I'm like, wait a minute, you have a brother,

0:58:44.720 --> 0:58:45.800
<v Speaker 5>you have a sibling right now?

0:58:45.840 --> 0:58:48.200
<v Speaker 2>No, all only children got a bunch of fake brothers

0:58:48.240 --> 0:58:49.320
<v Speaker 2>and sisters. That's just what we do.

0:58:49.360 --> 0:58:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>I only clean my own good And that's why I

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<v Speaker 3>did the episode because I expected that, like I okay,

0:58:57.120 --> 0:59:03.040
<v Speaker 3>the conversation, the acknowledgement, the feedback, appreciation, and no, I

0:59:03.040 --> 0:59:04.640
<v Speaker 3>haven't got that at all.

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<v Speaker 4>If anything, I've gotten the direct opposite.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean, are black people watching Black Mirror?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, that's why it's called Black Mirror at least.

0:59:16.080 --> 0:59:18.240
<v Speaker 2>At least at least a black museum. That was the

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<v Speaker 2>whole Black Museum season.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But what was the other reaction that you've been getting?

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<v Speaker 4>Just like, you know, a lot of negative no, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>It's interesting the the the connotation of you know, negative

0:59:38.240 --> 0:59:42.360
<v Speaker 3>feedback as far as you know, you know, questioning if

0:59:42.600 --> 0:59:45.400
<v Speaker 3>one I was gay, you know, their opinion of what

0:59:45.440 --> 0:59:49.960
<v Speaker 3>homosexuality was, uh, their opinion of what.

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<v Speaker 4>You know it means, which is something I definitely expected

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<v Speaker 4>and was ready to question and strike down as soon

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<v Speaker 4>as conversation came up. But I was just surprised by

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<v Speaker 4>the fact that, you know, I went out there and

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<v Speaker 4>like nobody had my back.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I got you.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, yeah, yea yea yeah yah. I know

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<v Speaker 3>there are people out there that do.

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<v Speaker 4>But there's been times where, you know, you gotta let

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<v Speaker 4>somebody know that you're in the gym and you bench

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<v Speaker 4>pressing two twenty five fifteen times.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's been a few instances like that, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I did not know. Well, I felt the

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<v Speaker 2>way to that role. I felt the way of that role,

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<v Speaker 2>especially for you.

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<v Speaker 7>No, I really liked that episode. I didn't think there

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<v Speaker 7>were being any neig feedback.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a great experience.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, all right, before we get to she hate Me,

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<v Speaker 5>I do have to briefly ask, even though it wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>a major.

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<v Speaker 1>Role, but.

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<v Speaker 5>Could you talk about Manchurian Candidate and sort of like

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<v Speaker 5>the process of doing that and how was that for you?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh? Man cheering was hell on Earth?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I was only there a few days because

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<v Speaker 4>I was doing another movie, and I literally did it

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<v Speaker 4>just because I wanted to work with Jonathan Demi, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>being an actor in New York. Jonathan Demi was at

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<v Speaker 4>the you know, a god like a thing of folklore

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<v Speaker 4>and legend. So you know, when when he because he

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<v Speaker 4>knew me from theater and independent films in New York.

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<v Speaker 4>So he was like, you know, I'm doing this little

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<v Speaker 4>movie you know. You know, Denzel said, yes, so I

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<v Speaker 4>have another role for you. I'm like, so, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>he brought me out. He's really he was really good.

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<v Speaker 3>At casting people. He liked to be around people he

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<v Speaker 3>considered friends. So it was it was more so the

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<v Speaker 3>experience just to be on set with him and see

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<v Speaker 3>him direct.

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<v Speaker 4>But they didn't tell us we was gonna be in

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<v Speaker 4>New Jersey and two feet of snow in fucking January.

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<v Speaker 3>Trying to act like we were in the desert in

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<v Speaker 3>shorts and T.

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<v Speaker 2>Shirts sounded like somebody, I'm y, hey take it.

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<v Speaker 7>Also, before before we before we had I just wanted

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<v Speaker 7>before because I know you're about to go in Half Nelson. Man,

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<v Speaker 7>that's one of my favorite roles of yours. I thought

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<v Speaker 7>that script was very it was it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was Yeah, that shi it was, it was. It was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a chance.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, it was risky, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>because it could be interpreted in a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 7>But tell me about that role in like working with

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<v Speaker 7>like Ryan Gosling and what was it like shooting at.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh, you know, Half Nelson was dope. We literally shot

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<v Speaker 4>that Belly of Brooklyn. And you know, working with Ryan

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<v Speaker 4>at that time was interesting because he wasn't Ryan Gosling,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, so he was taking chances and doing things

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<v Speaker 4>in a different type of way. There was a different

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<v Speaker 4>understanding of the way he was working, you know, and

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<v Speaker 4>that movie made him put him on the map. And

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<v Speaker 4>you know, for me growing up in the walls, like

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<v Speaker 4>the drug dealers, I knew were the ones who took

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<v Speaker 4>care of the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 3>They took care of the block. So if you were

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<v Speaker 3>a smart kid with good grades and you come out

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<v Speaker 3>and you're like, yo, I want to sell rocks, there

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<v Speaker 3>just ain't for you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>So when I read that script, I talked to the

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<v Speaker 3>producer and Ryan Anna, who directed it, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>this is this is this? I mean, he's taking care

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<v Speaker 3>of this little chicken, making sure that she's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>provided for and taking care of in a situation where

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<v Speaker 3>she has no one.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, he's that dude that take care of the block.

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<v Speaker 4>He's providing jobs and economic structure for his community when

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<v Speaker 4>the government has basically bastardized them and condemned them to nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>So that was that was something.

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<v Speaker 4>I predicated on that role and wanted to, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>grow and mature that character into because I knew those dudes.

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<v Speaker 3>I grew up with those dudes.

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<v Speaker 4>You know when I needed when I wanted a pair

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<v Speaker 4>of Jordan's and my mama wouldn't buy me Jordan's. Like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, my my dude on the corner made sure

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<v Speaker 4>that we had George. Like when I had to take

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<v Speaker 4>the bus at five thirty to make me to school

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<v Speaker 4>by eight, my dude on the corner made sure I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't get beat up on my way to the bush. Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, so the drug dealers literally found out I

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<v Speaker 4>was a little artsy dud and they took care of me.

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<v Speaker 3>And I never got jumped on the way home.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, Because if you stepped on if you stepped in

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<v Speaker 4>Basketowville and tried to steal up on me them boys,

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<v Speaker 4>was still you wouldn't come in the Basketowville talk Listen.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have a lot of are we already? We

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<v Speaker 2>had Spike Lee on the show. I told him She

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<v Speaker 2>Hated Me was always an interesting movie for me, just

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<v Speaker 2>from the storyline of you and the ladies and impregnating them.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, Spikes midlife crisis.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you. I agree with you, and so

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<v Speaker 2>did his wife and his daughter. But listen my question

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<v Speaker 2>to you about she hated me outside of the draw

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<v Speaker 2>of this phenomenal cast, because it should not be forgotten

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<v Speaker 2>Lynett McGee, Jim Brown, Ozzie Davis, or the Window everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody was in this movie, because I know that was

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<v Speaker 2>a draw. But really tell me, Anthony Mackie, when you

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<v Speaker 2>read this script the way you do with your three layers, did.

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<v Speaker 1>You read it three times?

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<v Speaker 2>What was the real draw of this script?

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<v Speaker 3>To be honest?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh, Jeffrey Wright was offered she hated me and he

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<v Speaker 4>turned it down. Reallyrio Dawphin and Jeffrey right, WHOA.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to see him in that physical position

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<v Speaker 2>like you.

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<v Speaker 3>I was.

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<v Speaker 4>I was working with Spike on so I hold the

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<v Speaker 4>record of being the lead of two Spike Lee movies.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody saw it.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, show the movie the movie I was working on

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<v Speaker 4>the Spike It was called Succer Free City.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a movie we did Woman.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I totally forgot about that one, but yeah, I

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<v Speaker 7>saw it.

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<v Speaker 3>So when we were doing Soccer Free City, Spike was like, Man,

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<v Speaker 3>I got this movie War War Woman it's gonna be crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>You know Jeffrey Wright most deaths, War War Ario. I'm like, bet,

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<v Speaker 3>let me know when you need me.

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<v Speaker 4>So two's later comes back, He's like, yo, my next project.

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<v Speaker 4>Would you be interested in doing it? I'm like, hell yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll be interested in doing it. So the crazy thing

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<v Speaker 4>was when I read the script to me, because of

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<v Speaker 4>Michael Janet wrote it, it read like a Shakespearean play.

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<v Speaker 4>If you read a Shakespearean play, you have plot subplot,

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<v Speaker 4>you have four different storylines and they all culminate into

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<v Speaker 4>one story.

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<v Speaker 3>If you look as She Hated Me, it's really Shakespearean

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<v Speaker 3>in the way it's written.

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<v Speaker 4>Because you have plot subplot, you have two or three

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<v Speaker 4>different storylines. And the crazy thing about it is people

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<v Speaker 4>say it was Spike's middle aged crisis.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what was the.

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<v Speaker 4>Cover of the New York Times magazine the week She

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<v Speaker 4>Hated Me came out looking for mister good sperm women

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<v Speaker 4>over forty paying young men for sperm instead of going

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<v Speaker 4>to sperm banks.

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<v Speaker 3>But they and these women were rich in.

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<v Speaker 1>Connected, not even not.

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<v Speaker 3>At all, not connected at all.

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<v Speaker 4>And what was crazier this was the same time that

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<v Speaker 4>that doctor had impregnated like one hundred and fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>With his own ship. It was timely.

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<v Speaker 2>It was time even the subplots with the embezzlement and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that, but it.

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<v Speaker 3>Was just so it's easy. It's easy.

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<v Speaker 4>It's easy to say that, you know, a midlike risis

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<v Speaker 4>of a man or a man's dream, and a sexist

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<v Speaker 4>connotation that men disrespecting.

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<v Speaker 3>But the reality of it is it was very timely

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<v Speaker 3>and on point.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Box.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, I think too in that movie too. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>they were the thing I liked about it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>both parties they were making a choice, you know what

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<v Speaker 7>I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 7>It wasn't like there was this guy that, like you said, homie,

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<v Speaker 7>that was just giving women his own ship, unknowingly with

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<v Speaker 7>without their knowledge or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Both parties were consenting that this is what they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to do.

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<v Speaker 3>We live in a day and age where is okay.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, yeah, it's mandatory.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a lot of of me that enjoyed that movie.

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<v Speaker 2>I just you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, I what did you didn't like about that?

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<v Speaker 3>Was it?

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<v Speaker 2>That was? It was just always odd to me that

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<v Speaker 2>this man was having physical sex and they were enjoying

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<v Speaker 2>it and these women were not queer women. They were

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be like straight up lesbians. So I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>and well, did they not just ask this man for

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<v Speaker 2>the turkey baser where they do that? But I I

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<v Speaker 2>enjoyed the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it is?

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<v Speaker 2>It is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony was okay? At least was the original.

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<v Speaker 5>The original script well wound up on the final uh

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<v Speaker 5>the final cut or where their adjustments made or.

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<v Speaker 3>Well forciate me, Yeah, that was pretty much the original script.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean when I came on board, Michael had to

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<v Speaker 4>change some things, but for the most part, that was

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<v Speaker 4>the script I read. I mean it was pretty it

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<v Speaker 4>was pretty you know, when Spike comes on board, he

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<v Speaker 4>does his Spike isms.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, it was it was pretty much the

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<v Speaker 3>script I read.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, this is why I love your journey, Like you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>I loved watching your active journey because I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>every role stood out and every role had a meaning

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<v Speaker 2>and it was deeper than he thought. Same thing that

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<v Speaker 2>what you're doing right now with the falcon, because I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, it's ill that the falcon is getting a

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<v Speaker 2>little deep. I was like, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>You put a little Anthony on the falcon.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, man, Yeah, we talk about Yeah, like how did

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<v Speaker 7>you come into the Marvel universe? I mean, we know,

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<v Speaker 7>like the uh Terrence Howard he originally was uh no,

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<v Speaker 7>that was don.

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<v Speaker 4>That right, Yeah it was and iron Man won and then.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, became war Machine. But how did your journey come

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<v Speaker 1>into it?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, my Marvel experience was very different.

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<v Speaker 4>They came to me and uh I was asking them

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<v Speaker 4>to be a part of the Marvel universe around the

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<v Speaker 4>time of Iron Man two iron Man three, and then

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<v Speaker 4>they asked me to come out to la to have

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<v Speaker 4>a meeting and uh literally we had lunch and they said, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>we can't tell you what movie, we can't tell you

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<v Speaker 4>what character, but if we asked you to be in

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<v Speaker 4>the Marble universe, would you do it?

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<v Speaker 2>And you said.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait?

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<v Speaker 3>And I said would you? Would you want to tell

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<v Speaker 3>them about that gunline?

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<v Speaker 1>Both Mississippi?

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<v Speaker 2>Miss Who did you in a dream world? Don't any

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm sorry, but who would you have wanted to?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there a a press?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you want black Panther?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, no, no, no, no, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>No no no no no.

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<v Speaker 4>For me, it was either because I didn't think they

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<v Speaker 4>were going to bring the Falcon into the fold for

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<v Speaker 4>me when I was harassing them. I was harassing them

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<v Speaker 4>about Black Panther because I thought that would for me.

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<v Speaker 4>If you look up any press I did before they

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<v Speaker 4>even announced it, I said very specifically that the movies

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<v Speaker 4>they should do was Black Panther and Wonder Woman.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, okay, because.

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<v Speaker 3>Little brown boys and girls need representation.

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<v Speaker 5>How how steep how steep were you into the universe

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<v Speaker 5>of Marvel before you actually got involved in the film.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh not at all. I was never a comic book kid. Like.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why it's so funny to me either.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why it's so funny to me now when people say, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a nerd, I freak. I'm like, if everybody was

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<v Speaker 4>reading comic books, why didn't all the comic book stores

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<v Speaker 4>go out of business?

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<v Speaker 2>Lions the movie and they so Betty and Veronica in

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<v Speaker 2>the grocery stores too.

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<v Speaker 3>But nobody was reading comic books.

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<v Speaker 5>In my five year history of this show. I was

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<v Speaker 5>nervous about you coming on, only because I know that

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<v Speaker 5>there there's such a there's a contingent, or at least

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<v Speaker 5>a certain fan base. You know those in San Diego,

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<v Speaker 5>what do you call them, comic connors? Yeah, that are

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<v Speaker 5>so deep into the ship, and I I'm not. It's

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<v Speaker 5>not like I'm not a Marvel head. I just didn't

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<v Speaker 5>grow up reading comic books and whatnot. I knew nothing

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<v Speaker 5>about the Marvel. I didn't know it that deep. And

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<v Speaker 5>I was afraid. I was like, yo, if I have

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<v Speaker 5>him on the show and don't ask him some deep

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<v Speaker 5>easter a question that it's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I have notes. What do you need because I want

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<v Speaker 2>you to hurry and get your question because.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to. You have to look at comic I

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<v Speaker 3>wish I could black you right now.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't. You have to.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to look at Comic Con this way. Every year, you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, ten to fifteen thousand people go to San Diego

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<v Speaker 4>for Comic Con.

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<v Speaker 3>How many people are in America?

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<v Speaker 2>Very true? But there, but Anthony, don't you agree there

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<v Speaker 2>are levels of these people, Like, it's not just Comic

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<v Speaker 2>Con or a Mirror. There are like elite different levels

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<v Speaker 2>in between Comic Con and a Mirror.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm saying the whole thing of not at the bottom.

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<v Speaker 1>I see these films.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, everybody you talk to grew up reading comic books

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<v Speaker 4>and knowing everything.

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<v Speaker 3>About That's not true. That's not true.

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<v Speaker 2>People get everyone has the Internet now, yeah, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, you can.

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<v Speaker 7>Go back and read you can become a retroactive comic

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<v Speaker 7>book fan's right, or just.

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<v Speaker 1>You read it?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, show up the chick dressed as Layer

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<v Speaker 4>at comic Con, you know, and they're trying to impress

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<v Speaker 4>her by telling her about the Captain America Truth series.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, come on, stop it stop stop.

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<v Speaker 1>What is that process? Like? Like doing con?

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<v Speaker 5>Like living up to an expectation of you know, having

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<v Speaker 5>to go to comic Con and meet these you know,

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<v Speaker 5>these trekky like nerds and whatnot, Like is it exhausting,

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<v Speaker 5>Like do you have to do it in.

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<v Speaker 4>The marble world or yeah, you definitely have to do it,

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<v Speaker 4>you know. But the big thing is it feels good

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<v Speaker 4>to be appreciated. You know, you're so many as artists.

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<v Speaker 4>How many times have you created something and put it

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<v Speaker 4>out there and you know no one has reacted or responded.

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<v Speaker 3>To or even worse, you put something out there and

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<v Speaker 3>motherfucker who's never made an album, A motherfucker has no

1:14:42.520 --> 1:14:46.760
<v Speaker 3>talent whatsoever. Say your shit sucks, right, you know, So

1:14:46.800 --> 1:14:47.360
<v Speaker 3>it feels good.

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<v Speaker 4>Imagine every time you put something out you know, motherfucker, Like, yo,

1:14:50.520 --> 1:14:51.599
<v Speaker 4>this is the best shit ever.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but okay, I have my version of comic Con

1:14:55.600 --> 1:14:56.880
<v Speaker 5>and that's called Okay Player.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that a for real for real if no.

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<v Speaker 5>But it's it's like it's there's there's a danger in that.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like there's a dance. I know you're saying

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<v Speaker 5>that it's it's it's great to be loved and appreciating

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<v Speaker 5>da da da da. But then I just see comic

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<v Speaker 5>Con people as like extreme level of nerdness and.

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<v Speaker 3>Not all.

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<v Speaker 2>Like okay, yes it's music nerds. It's just yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what it is.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, it's also a thing where on Okay Player,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, uh, there's equal amount of hate and disdain

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<v Speaker 5>and criticism for the roots in quest love as there

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<v Speaker 5>is love, probably more than so.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, for Marvel folks, I think it's more about the

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<v Speaker 2>writers and what directions they go on with the characters,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's when the fans get mad, depending on if

1:15:51.720 --> 1:15:54.680
<v Speaker 2>they go off script. So that's how I work. That

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<v Speaker 2>being said, Anthony, can I ask you, one of my

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<v Speaker 2>Marvel heads wanted me to ask you, do you think

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<v Speaker 2>that the world was were ready for a black captain America.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, what his role was?

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<v Speaker 4>I think the idea of you know, was the world

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<v Speaker 4>ever ready for a green hawk?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>You know it was never? How could you accept the

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<v Speaker 4>green dude and not accept the black?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I guess because it's Captain America is such

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<v Speaker 2>an institution and the way he's looked at it's different

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<v Speaker 2>than a black panther, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 4>As I think, you know what, I'll be honest, I think,

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<v Speaker 4>like especially being do.

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<v Speaker 3>You have kids? No, I know, Okay, one thing.

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<v Speaker 4>I know about kids, and one thing I admire. Kids

1:16:36.240 --> 1:16:40.599
<v Speaker 4>aren't racists. Yeah, Like they're pretty open minded. We teach

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<v Speaker 4>them racist. Right, So, if you're making a comic book

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<v Speaker 4>for kids about a character, no matter what color he.

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<v Speaker 3>Is, if he has cool power to right.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's assuming that they make all these things for kids,

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<v Speaker 2>like at this point, Marvel's an institution.

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<v Speaker 3>Right wait wait wait but the key.

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<v Speaker 4>Phrase at this point at this point, right, so you know,

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<v Speaker 4>before you know, it was cool to be a quote

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<v Speaker 4>unquote nerd, before you know, comic cons and people dressing

1:17:11.560 --> 1:17:14.160
<v Speaker 4>up and doing cosplay. That was you know, books for

1:17:14.960 --> 1:17:18.679
<v Speaker 4>teenagers a kid you know, so if you present them

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<v Speaker 4>with a.

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<v Speaker 3>Black Captain America. They'll grow up with a Black Captain America.

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<v Speaker 3>They wouldn't know any different, So how could they not

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<v Speaker 3>be ready for something they don't even know. They don't

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<v Speaker 3>even they wouldn't know anything as opposed to Black Captain America.

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<v Speaker 3>What because nobody can playing when they made British Captain

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<v Speaker 3>British America.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>I always want to ask you about pain and game

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<v Speaker 7>paying the game bro, Like how bus did you have

1:17:46.320 --> 1:17:47.760
<v Speaker 7>to like put on for that?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what was your training bridgement for that?

1:17:50.120 --> 1:17:50.680
<v Speaker 3>I put on?

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<v Speaker 4>Like I went up to about two twenty okay, so

1:17:55.920 --> 1:17:59.800
<v Speaker 4>I was one before I started training for that, And

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<v Speaker 4>I just literally ate steak and potatoes in the morning

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<v Speaker 4>and six eggs and oatmeal for breakfast and it was dude, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>six no, six and six eggs and oat meals with

1:18:12.840 --> 1:18:16.320
<v Speaker 4>barriers for breakfast. And then lunch I would do like

1:18:16.320 --> 1:18:20.320
<v Speaker 4>a weight of masking and protein shake with a steak

1:18:20.360 --> 1:18:22.679
<v Speaker 4>and some eggs, and then I would have like four

1:18:22.680 --> 1:18:24.920
<v Speaker 4>more meals because I was eating like thirty five cat.

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<v Speaker 1>Good god man, what was that experience?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 7>I liked that movie. I think I might be one

1:18:30.520 --> 1:18:32.000
<v Speaker 7>of the only people that actually went up for that movie.

1:18:32.040 --> 1:18:34.519
<v Speaker 7>I fuck with that movie. But but what was it

1:18:34.600 --> 1:18:37.080
<v Speaker 7>like working with with Mark in the Rock?

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<v Speaker 3>It was great, man.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what, Mark is one of the coolest dudes

1:18:41.439 --> 1:18:44.840
<v Speaker 4>I've ever worked with, and you know, he really.

1:18:44.560 --> 1:18:46.600
<v Speaker 3>Gave me an opportunity with that joint. We had a

1:18:46.640 --> 1:18:47.280
<v Speaker 3>great time.

1:18:47.439 --> 1:18:50.760
<v Speaker 4>Like we literally every day came to set shot the ship,

1:18:50.960 --> 1:18:54.040
<v Speaker 4>had fun. I mean it was like it was you know,

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<v Speaker 4>Michael Bay gave us the keys to the car and

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<v Speaker 4>was like, be as ridiculous as you want to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to ask you on some insider Marvel

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<v Speaker 2>Baseball on the on the season two episode with the

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<v Speaker 2>young the older black Man, and the young Black Man.

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<v Speaker 2>I heard those are actual Marvel characters. I was just

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<v Speaker 2>going to ask you if that was going to develop

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<v Speaker 2>into something.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, But Isaiah Bradley, a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>Isaiah Isaiah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, a lot of people don't know that the Super

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<v Speaker 4>Soldier serum was originally was originally tested on Tuskegee soldiers

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<v Speaker 4>and it was a comic book that came out in

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<v Speaker 4>the early two thousands called The Truths, and Isaiah Bradley

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<v Speaker 4>was there was a limited run.

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<v Speaker 3>People like talked about it, so it.

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<v Speaker 4>Went away, but the writer name was Morales, and he

1:19:47.960 --> 1:19:53.200
<v Speaker 4>created this cartoon series where basically Isaiah Bradley and a

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<v Speaker 4>bunch of Tuskegee soldiers were being injected with the simple

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<v Speaker 4>Search the super Soldier serum so that they can perfect it.

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<v Speaker 4>And once they perfected it, they gave it to Steve Rogers.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, and so and so the rumor is that the

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<v Speaker 2>grandson is going to become a young Avenger.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just no, that's that's that's from the comic book.

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<v Speaker 3>One thing you have to, one thing you have to.

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<v Speaker 4>Really, Marvel never takes the comic book's word for word,

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<v Speaker 4>note for note. So even if you look at the

1:20:28.120 --> 1:20:30.600
<v Speaker 4>comic book when Falcon first is introduced, he was a

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<v Speaker 4>hustler from Marvel.

1:20:33.600 --> 1:20:33.800
<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you watch the movie The Falcons from Louisiana,

1:20:37.360 --> 1:20:40.160
<v Speaker 4>so you know, it's a completely different world. It's a

1:20:40.160 --> 1:20:44.160
<v Speaker 4>completely different universe. So it's not something where they take

1:20:44.200 --> 1:20:45.639
<v Speaker 4>the comic book word for word or.

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<v Speaker 2>Note for And have you put any anthony into any

1:20:48.120 --> 1:20:49.719
<v Speaker 2>of these storylines.

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<v Speaker 4>No at all, because I didn't you know Malcolm Spellman,

1:20:55.400 --> 1:20:58.960
<v Speaker 4>our writer, you know him, and the Marvel crew and

1:20:59.040 --> 1:21:01.040
<v Speaker 4>carry our director.

1:21:01.400 --> 1:21:01.960
<v Speaker 3>They were the.

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<v Speaker 4>Ones who came up with the storyline and ideas that

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<v Speaker 4>came to me. It was like this we'll be thinking,

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<v Speaker 4>so you know it wasn't me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's dope.

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<v Speaker 1>I have two questions and then we'll let you go.

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<v Speaker 5>One is about just the the the secretive process in

1:21:16.760 --> 1:21:20.200
<v Speaker 5>the Marvel world, how airtight or Fort.

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<v Speaker 1>Knox light is.

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<v Speaker 5>Is the the process of actually getting the physical script,

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<v Speaker 5>Like do they have to like hand deliver it to you?

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<v Speaker 1>Like is it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yo? It's so crazy.

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<v Speaker 5>Matters if you lose your your your three piece or something.

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<v Speaker 4>No matter where you are in the world, they send

1:21:39.479 --> 1:21:44.120
<v Speaker 4>someone to come to you. You sign a letter saying

1:21:44.160 --> 1:21:47.280
<v Speaker 4>that you received it. That person turns around, goes back

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<v Speaker 4>to the airport, gets on the airplane and flies.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to La.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it. Okay.

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<v Speaker 5>My final question is are you going to do any

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<v Speaker 5>for a raising into uh directing?

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<v Speaker 4>Actually, I'm working on that now. I'm working there this

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<v Speaker 4>story that I'm acquiring the rights to about this young

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<v Speaker 4>girl during civil rights who was the first person, the

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<v Speaker 4>first woman to sit on the sit on the bus

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<v Speaker 4>and not get up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, nice, oh man, before we before we go, I

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<v Speaker 5>got it.

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<v Speaker 7>I have to deliver this specially to be mad. Omar

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<v Speaker 7>Dorsey wanted me to ask you, why is everyone already

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<v Speaker 7>He said, why does everybody call you an asshole but

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<v Speaker 7>they love him?

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<v Speaker 3>Because out here selling his booty for.

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<v Speaker 5>H That is another episode of quest Love of Supreme

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<v Speaker 1>You got dunked on, Bro, you got dunked on. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sorry and in the world, thank you, appreciate, We see you.

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