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Speaker 1: And Dan and Tye.

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Speaker 3: Dan Rubinstein on today's episode, We've got news of new quarterbacks,

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Speaker 3: We've got injuries, We've got an updated metric in the

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Speaker 3: college football playoff universe. But most importantly, we have football,

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Speaker 3: actual football to discuss. Week zero is upon us a

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Speaker 3: very slim down slate of five games, all of which

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Speaker 3: we will talk through. I am excited to be here

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Speaker 3: with you to talk about some actual on the field

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Speaker 3: stuff at long last, Sir, welcome back.

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Speaker 2: It feels great, ty thanks for joining me on this ride.

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Speaker 2: I cannot wait to watch actual football as strange, unusual,

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Speaker 2: exhilarating as Week zero can be, both domestically and abroad.

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Speaker 2: Because that is week zero. Now that we have Kansas

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Speaker 2: State and Iowa State in Ireland and Doblin, this is great.

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Speaker 2: I don't even like calling it week zero because it

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Speaker 2: is something. Zero implies the absence of something, and this

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Speaker 2: we have something, right. We have football, We have excitement,

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Speaker 2: we have a schedule, We have an appointment to watch

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Speaker 2: football on Saturday. You know, when you sit down and

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Speaker 2: they give you chips and salsa, that's not nothing. It's

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Speaker 2: is that bad? They could pull it apart whether you

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Speaker 2: know that kind of that's not nothing. That's something that

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Speaker 2: I treasure, and so I treasure this weekend, this Saturday,

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Speaker 2: these matchups Sam Houston, Western Kentucky, you see Davis Mercer, Kansas, Fresno,

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Speaker 2: you name it.

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Speaker 3: I'm in baby, well, welcome back in one and all.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for for joining us once more here as

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Speaker 3: Quarterback announcements in and around the world of college football.

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Speaker 3: There have been a bunch of big ones that have dropped,

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Speaker 3: Courtesy of Marcus Freeman, CJ. Carr has officially now won

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Speaker 2: Multiple dotted lines, multiple that there's a payment structure in

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Speaker 3: Carr got the gig officially yesterday. Red shirt freshmen red

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Speaker 3: We'll get his actual thought process? Clearly that remains to

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Speaker 1: Carr is the higher ceiling.

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Speaker 3: Why else would you give it to somebody who maybe

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Speaker 2: Sometimes they're quote unquote quarterback battles, but it's one guy

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Speaker 3: And honestly agree, I'm not discouraged by the fact that

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Speaker 3: Both will end up being good college quarterbacks. Again, whether

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Speaker 1: Carr. They were going to hand it over to him,

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Speaker 3: Pushed him pretty good. Who knows how this goes through

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Speaker 3: our long national nightmare is over. If you are a

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Speaker 2: Who else do you have in terms of the quarterback

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Speaker 2: Right now, there's all sorts of calculus and as you mentioned,

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Speaker 3: Joey Agiwar it's not a surprise that he would get

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Speaker 3: On offense, sure, Bear Bachmeyer, great name, great head of hair,

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Speaker 3: Branson beat out Elijah Brown at Stanford. The former Blue

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Speaker 1: But Ben, I'm just gonna call him Big Ben. He

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Speaker 2: Look at you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he gets the gig at cal Yeah. Was that

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Speaker 3: Just some other really quick ones for the G five

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Speaker 1: Drew Mestemaker is going to be the guy at North Texas.

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Speaker 1: Interesting tidbit on Drew Mestemaker. Until the Bowl game last year,

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Speaker 2: Wow, right to roll. He's well rested.

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Speaker 3: Jack Laye at New Mexico, Chase Jenkins at Rice Brandon Rose,

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Speaker 2: Great.

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Speaker 3: Good luck to all, Good luck to all. A couple

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Speaker 3: Okay, whatever, continue Quinton Joiner at Texas Tech. This one's

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Speaker 3: a tough one man. Quentin Joyner came over from USC

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Speaker 1: It would be problematic if the line were nicked up.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 3: You said about literally any You said literally about any team,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, got better last year.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise, look, I mean, there have been injury concerns about

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Speaker 2: So not a whole lot.

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Speaker 3: Here are a couple catastrophic ones to report, but otherwise

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Speaker 1: Man, it seems like it's gonna be all right.

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Speaker 2: I would treasure somebody's taking that much interest in me

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Speaker 2: I'm like. I would love a daily report on how

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Speaker 2: I would love that kind of attention. But maybe that

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Speaker 2: says more about me. Continue, Dan, can you give me

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Sorry, thank you?

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Speaker 1: The College Football Playoff Committee dropped some news shortly before

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Speaker 3: It is no secret to this crowd anyway, that the

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Speaker 2: You can even call it the sank of schedule argument

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Speaker 3: So the College Football Playoff Committee is going to be

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Speaker 3: But if we're to believe these reports are going to

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Speaker 2: According to whom? Which objective metrics are you using? Whose

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Speaker 2: objective metrics are you using? And then, even though the

441
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 2: numbers are objective, the person or people or collection of

442
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 2: people deciding on what is weighted more than what isn't

443
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 2: weighted in that you know, equation, whatever you want to

444
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 2: call it, why according to whom? Like, what what is

445
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 2: it about that equation that gives us a more accurate read?

446
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 2: On Tennessee's quality or Texas's quality or you know, Minnesota's quality,

447
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 2: and so somewhere along the way there is somebody looking

448
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 2: at the Greg Sankie present strength of schedule metric and

449
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 2: saying to themselves, Hmmm, I think Auberns the team that

450
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. Hmmm, I think NC State actually

451
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 2: is as a quality win or a quality loss. Like eventually,

452
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,199
Speaker 2: you're just going to get to a subjective point the

453
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Speaker 2: further you dig. And that's fine. We only have twelve

454
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 2: games to figure it out, and we're going to try

455
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 2: to figure out seven, eight, nine games in anyway to

456
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Speaker 2: give out rankings for everybody to look at. But to

457
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 2: sort of say we're using an objective method to figure

458
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 2: out strength of schedule and how to rank these teams,

459
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 2: I don't think that really exists. And so just tell us,

460
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 2: is it Bill Connolly, is it Brian Fremo? Is it

461
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 2: Tye Hill? The brand? Whose strength of schedule metric should

462
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 2: we be looking at? And how much transparency can we

463
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 2: get in that process?

464
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, this Google sheet is owned by an sec at

465
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Speaker 3: gmail dot com address.

466
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Speaker 2: Because you know the SEC money wise, they're not springing

467
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 2: for the full custom RL. Of course that's a Gmail address.

468
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 3: And all of these SEC teams, the cells don't have formulas.

469
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 3: It's almost as if this number has been manually input.

470
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Speaker 2: Manually input it correct. Yeah, that's what the Greg Sanki

471
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Speaker 2: presents strength of schedule is ultimately going to be.

472
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Speaker 3: It's all very vague. Yeah, I'm curious to see what

473
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 3: it looks like in practice. Two obvious questions for me, though,

474
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 3: One on the topic of Sankie. Does it give him

475
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 3: enough cover to switch things up to a nine game

476
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 3: conference slate now?

477
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Speaker 1: Because this has been his thing.

478
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 3: He's been beating the drum for a long time, and

479
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 3: there was this whole back and forth about the playoff

480
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 3: system and if they get the aqs, if they don't

481
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 3: get the AQS, that could influence them one way or

482
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 3: another here with the conference slates. So if this is something,

483
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 3: I guess in the short term that seems to benefit

484
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 3: the SEC, I could see them making the switch. But

485
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 3: that's just me talking from afar. The second thing, I'm

486
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 3: interested in the degree to which this could affect things

487
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 3: short term for teams like Indiana and even some of

488
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 3: the G five schools that now have a stake in

489
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 3: this playoff. Like I looked at Indiana's non conference slate

490
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 3: out at fbsschedules dot com, sort of one of the

491
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 3: many bibles that we check this time of year. Sure,

492
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 3: they don't have a meaningful non conference game until twenty

493
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Speaker 3: twenty nine against Notre Dame.

494
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Speaker 2: Right, because it's the intention of where that program was

495
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 2: when they were booking these schedules. Or sometimes in a

496
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: lot of cases, there are canceled matchups. I don't know

497
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 2: if or if not Indiana had a home and home

498
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 2: booked with Florida, probably not considering it's Florida, but those

499
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 2: things get canceled sometimes and then you're, you know, playing

500
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 2: take your pick, smaller school, you're playing Furman instead, and

501
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 2: your schedule doesn't look quite as impressive. So I'll due

502
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 2: respect to whether the Paladins tie that. Yes, if your

503
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 2: intention is, let's let's figure out how we can most

504
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 2: quickly get to six or seven wins. Great, and now

505
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 2: that Indiana is capital A actually good, Now that schedule

506
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: is not doing them any favors, right, right.

507
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 1: So how quickly can you change that type of thing?

508
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: You know?

509
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 3: That's yeah, above my pay grade, But it looks like

510
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 3: it's going to be a minute before Indiana has a

511
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 3: meaningful non conference opponent, like I said twenty twenty nine,

512
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 3: right now, it's Notre Dame. And the other side of

513
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 3: this is that G five slot that we've got right

514
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 3: now in these playoffs. Like I was thinking about this,

515
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 3: Liberty is probably a good example, right, Liberty plays the

516
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 3: easy schedule in the country this year. We talked about

517
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 3: it on the Conference USA preview. Right, that's in large

518
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 3: part because of the conference slate. Is there some way

519
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 3: that they can rejigger the schedule so that it's more

520
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 3: attractive to the committee or do they have to actually

521
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 3: leave the conference to get that tougher slate so they

522
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 3: can fashion themselves truly as a playoff contender. I don't

523
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 3: know what that calculus looks like on the G five level,

524
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 3: but I could imagine a world in which this could

525
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 3: really affect some of those teams, not necessarily getting in

526
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,479
Speaker 3: over in Alabama, but just getting in over a Boise

527
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 3: State who is righting.

528
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 2: There eleven and one in Boises ten and two. Right,

529
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be near impossible for the

530
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 2: Conference USA champion to get to the playoff any at

531
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Speaker 2: any point less than being undefeated and being compared against

532
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 2: a ten and two team confers. USh just is not

533
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 2: built in terms of quality, like the Sunbelt, like the American,

534
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 2: like the Mountain West. That's gonna be very It's just

535
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: gonna be difficult.

536
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: It is.

537
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 3: It absolutely is so much more to come on this front.

538
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 3: But in the interim, get ready for some quote unquote

539
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 3: enhanced metrics, Stan Rubinstein.

540
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, we got Pack twelve coming up soon, right,

541
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: the newly formed version of the quote unquote pack twelve.

542
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 1: You want to pick some games?

543
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 2: I would love to.

544
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: Dan time to help the weak.

545
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 3: We got five of them. Dan, you have bowed out

546
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 3: of giving this weekend a name.

547
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just football.

548
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:43,719
Speaker 1: It's just football.

549
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 2: This this week is just football.

550
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: The big one is at high noon Eastern time on ESPN.

551
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 3: It is Iowa. Stated is Kansas State. It is Pharmageddon again.

552
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 3: They played at a Viva Stadium in Dublin. Can you

553
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 3: give me your Irish Dublin one more time, please?

554
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 2: Doblin, Doblin, Doblin. Yeah, I have no idea if that's accurate.

555
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 1: Continue. We were invited to this game.

556
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 2: We were invited. I was tempted because Ireland and Northern

557
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 2: Ireland are beautiful countries, a beautiful island. I loved visiting

558
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. Had a great time eating Indoblin,

559
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: great walkable European city. It was Bambino. Loved Bambino pizza.

560
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 2: Talk about Bambino pizza. I've been a sticker on my

561
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 2: water bottle right here Bambino. Love that little baby eating pizza.

562
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: I also had a good meal like Grano, really good

563
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: homemade pasta continue wonderful.

564
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: Well, we're not able to make it. We appreciate the invite.

565
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 3: The good news, though, is that frosted wild berry and

566
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 3: frosted hot fudge Sunday.

567
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: Will be there rooting on Iowa State.

568
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 3: Good they won the pop Tars Bowls, so there's got

569
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 3: to got to keep the rep.

570
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 2: You know that's true.

571
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 3: Kansas State's favored by three points in this matchup. You

572
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: know I'm high on both these schools. I've got them

573
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 3: playing an eventual remat in the Big twelve title game.

574
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 3: And I've also telegraphed where I stand on this game

575
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 3: in that I'm walking up k State minus.

576
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: Three Block of the week.

577
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 3: So with that being said, I am going to turn

578
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: it over to you because one thing that I found

579
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: interesting in looking at these schools, especially now that they're

580
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 3: matched up against each other in the first game of

581
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 3: the college football season. To a degree, both of these

582
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 3: schools fit your very specific Dan Rubinstein rubric of having

583
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 3: a good quarterback, having a good defense. Yeah, if that's

584
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 3: your starting point, that's pretty good.

585
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

586
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 3: So what say you about that setup that both schools

587
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 3: have something that I know you always like being So

588
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 3: it's this early in the season in a foreign country,

589
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 3: different stadium, where yet.

590
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a fascinating matchup. A lot of it

591
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: is just potential are promising, like a promising defense and

592
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: a promising quarterback. The best of Avery Johnson is quite promising.

593
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: When Kansas State loses, it seems that it's Avery Johnson

594
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: in the passing game or weird fumbles that aid in

595
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 2: that loss. And so it's Kansas State with a new

596
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: look offensive line with transfers but really fun looking skill players.

597
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: It's Iowa State with a new look defensive line a

598
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 2: much healthier at linebacker. So it's like Kansas State wants

599
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: to get better on offense, Iowa State wants to get

600
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: better at defense. Iowa State's looking to find new receivers.

601
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 2: Kansas State's looking to stop big pass plays. There's a

602
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 2: lot of like, hey, we struggled doing this thing last

603
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 2: year and it led to not so fun moments. We

604
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: hope starting the year with a rivalry game will immediately

605
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: have our teams and transfers that are coming into solve

606
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: these issues focused on fixing those things. And so it's

607
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: hard to really feel anything strongly. We haven't seen these

608
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: versions of teams. There's new personnel everywhere for both of

609
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: these teams. I can say this if you are a

610
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: believer to whatever extent in trends, Iowa State in September

611
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 2: is not super good. Iowa State, for whatever reason under

612
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: Matt Campbell, has started very slowly needed like triple overtime

613
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 2: to beat Northern Iowa, or loses to Northern Iowa, or

614
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 2: scores seven and a half points a year against Iowa.

615
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's good enough to beat the Iowa offense. That's fine,

616
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: But there is something about losing to Ohio and Matt

617
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: Campbell having a little bit of a moment. We'll call

618
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: it a bously had a moment. We've all been there,

619
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 2: lest I can consider Matt Campbell a lesser person. I've

620
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: had that moment three times this morning time. I have

621
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: a six year old and four year old, so I

622
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: kind of like going against Iowa State. I kind of

623
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: like that Kansas State has been a little bit more

624
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: solid than the early going these past years under Chris Kleiman.

625
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: I kind of love the under. If that's a person,

626
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 2: that's the kind of person you are. Iowa State does

627
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 2: not hit overs as a dog. Kansas State does not

628
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,479
Speaker 2: hit overs as a favorite. So this game is being

629
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 2: played forty four thousand miles away. Don't fact check me.

630
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: I kind of like a low scoring Kansas State cover

631
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: of twenty three seventeen in that range. How does that?

632
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: How does that strike you?

633
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 3: I got it in the same range. Okay, I think

634
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 3: I'd be inclined to go under. I never bet unders

635
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 3: because that's just no fun.

636
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: It definitely is no fun.

637
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 3: It's no fun to do that. If you're that kind

638
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 3: of person, you're kind of a monster.

639
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: Right. Last year's Georgia Tech Floresa A was twenty four

640
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: to twenty one. Yeah, so that's under fifty. So that's

641
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: right around where that number is this year.

642
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe a nice monster, just not Yeah, my tigre better.

643
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 3: You can still listen to the show You can still

644
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 3: come to the live shows whenever we do them, but

645
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 3: it's not my cup of tea.

646
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: Here's the thing for me. The passing game.

647
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 3: I talked about this in all the previous stuff that

648
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 3: we did on the Big Twelve radio shows that I

649
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 3: did talking about the Big Twelve teams.

650
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: Jeez, brag much.

651
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: Continue my question on both sides is the passing game

652
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 3: On the k State side, I think it's one more

653
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 3: of consistency with Avery Johnson. On the Iowa State side,

654
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 3: it's because they lost to eleven hundred yard receivers. I

655
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 3: like Rock Obeck, the best of all Rocos the bore

656
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 3: if you will, of course, but that's a lot to

657
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 3: lose out wide. And I think it hurts Iowa State

658
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 3: more because if they don't have the pop in the

659
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 3: passing game this year, and if their running game does

660
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 3: not get more explosive than it was a year ago,

661
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 3: this turns into a pickleball offense in a.

662
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: Hurry, Yeah, in a hurry.

663
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, if you're K State Dan and you can't get

664
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,479
Speaker 3: it going, it basically turns into an improv show. Like

665
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 3: Matt Wells is just going to hand it off to

666
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 3: his athletes. He's gonna let Avery Johnson dance around in

667
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 3: the backfield and figure something out. Let your playmakers figure

668
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 3: it out. I like the Colones a lot, but they're

669
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 3: gonna need some dudes to step up and become those

670
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 3: type of dynamic playmakers to give this offense a little

671
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 3: bit more pop out wide. And that's sort of the

672
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 3: big hang up with Iowa State this year, at least

673
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 3: on offense. There's a lot of veteran presence there. I

674
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 3: love the quarterback, I still like the backfield. I'd like

675
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 3: to see more chunk plays, but what is that passing

676
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 3: game going to look like?

677
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 2: That?

678
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 3: To me is one of two big concerns in this

679
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 3: game for Iowa State. And the second thing I guess

680
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 3: is like a build on that, is how does ca

681
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 3: State use Avery Johnson to test that Iowa State secondary?

682
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 3: You know, like you generally trust that John Haycock's going

683
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 3: to figure out defense. You know, he's been doing it

684
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 3: for a long time. He's very good at it. It

685
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 3: was a struggle last year, but that was a lot

686
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 3: of injury, a lot of injury stuff. Sure, generally you

687
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:55,439
Speaker 3: can trust the guy.

688
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: YEP.

689
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 3: Secondary this year, though, is the big question we know

690
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 3: from watching this game our entire lives what a good

691
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: dual threat quarterback can do to a defense, especially a secondary,

692
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 3: How it can pull defenses apart, get them out of shape,

693
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 3: cause communication issues, things like that. Avery Johnson is that

694
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: kind of guy, and so I'm curious to see how

695
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 3: they utilize his legs, how they do it early, and

696
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 3: if they're able to take advantage of that to open

697
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 3: up some passing lanes down the field against the secondary

698
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 3: that at least to start is relatively unproven.

699
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: It was actually a really good secondary last year. That

700
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 2: was not the weakness of this defense. This team was

701
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 2: tenth in the nation. Again, this team or this program,

702
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: it's a different team this year, both sides the ball.

703
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: But in terms of what John Haycock does putting his

704
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 2: players in a position to succeed, they were top ten

705
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: nationally in interception percentage, So.

706
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: He will figure it out. I'm confident in that.

707
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 3: But early against a good dual threat guy like Avery Johnson,

708
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 3: I think it's going to hinge on a couple big

709
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: plays down the field that are set up mainly because

710
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 3: of the threat of him running. So for me, I

711
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 3: also have this under a little bit less under I

712
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 3: guess than you do. I've got it at twenty seven

713
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 3: to twenty K State in a really good game like

714
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 3: this is an awesome game to bring to the Irish people,

715
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 3: like I love the fact that they're playing Pharmageddon there.

716
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 3: For as much as I'm in favor of playing all

717
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 3: games on campus all the time, if you're going to

718
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 3: take a game abroad, this one's pretty fun. Really go

719
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 3: for it, right, This one's a pretty fun one.

720
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: The what the air lingis college Football Classic? We love

721
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: a good not a sponsor. Continue, No, it could.

722
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: Be, absolutely could be.

723
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: So we're both on K State here.

724
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: I'm walking them up minus the three.

725
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: I agree some other action.

726
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 3: Also, at noon, we get to see UNLV for the

727
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 3: first time under Dan Mullen.

728
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: Both quarterbacks will play against Idaho State, as that's the

729
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: most recent thing I saw. Alex Oorge, Anthony Calandria.

730
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, you and LV is going to win

731
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 3: the game. I'm I'm curious to see what they look

732
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 3: like under Dan Mullen. I'm curious to see what the

733
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 3: quarterback situation is and how that evolves. There has not

734
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 3: been an official announcement to your point about who QB

735
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 3: one is or will be. There's been a lot of

736
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 3: chatter among the people that cover UNLV that it could

737
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: be alex Orgi is a better fit for the Dan

738
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 3: Mullen system. I still think alex Orgie is a better

739
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 3: fit for wide receiver than he is for quarterback. But

740
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 3: however they want to play this, it's on them. I'm

741
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: curious to see how he looks in the Mullen system,

742
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 3: if it does benefit his skill set a little bit more.

743
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 3: I've always been a callandry guy. You know, I just

744
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 3: got to think for Anthony Kalandria.

745
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: I watch a game and a half of Anthony Calandria

746
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: until you know what I love. That is not true,

747
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: and you know continue.

748
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 3: But UNLV will be in action four o'clock on Fox.

749
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 3: We've got Fresno State at Kansas. Kansas is reopening the

750
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 3: booth their stadium, which has been under renovation for a

751
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 3: while now. Yes, I think they are going to smoke

752
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: Fresno State in this game.

753
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 2: So they had their own issues early, and they've had

754
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 2: their own issues early. That's in large parts of the

755
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 2: fact that Kansas was garbage before Lance Leipold fully weaponized

756
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: this program. They really did struggle last year, and Fresno

757
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: State had their own struggles last year, and this is

758
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 2: a different Fresno staff, a different Fresno roster, a lot

759
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 2: new on the Kansas side as well, So this is

760
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: much more. I think about the fans and the scar

761
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 2: tissue that fans have from watching these two teams last

762
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: year is if this game is close, We're going to

763
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 2: have two fan bases white knuckling at the end of

764
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: this game because of last year. What Fresno was not

765
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 2: able to accomplish close and especially in the first five

766
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 2: or six weeks last year, be it against you mentioned UNLV,

767
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: be it against Illinois, last year West Virginia. Kansas had

768
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: its own struggles in close fourth quarter matchups. I think

769
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 2: Kansas is better position, but there is a ton new

770
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: for me to feel super confident in. So I'm gonna

771
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 2: go Kansas. I'm not on a limb from limb situation yet,

772
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: but I'm pretty confident Kansas has this.

773
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 3: They're going to smoke Okay, Fresno in this game. The

774
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 3: place is going to be hopping because of reopen in

775
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 3: the stadium. Yeah, and we've talked before about how this

776
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 3: was like the missing piece for Lance Leipold is one

777
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 3: of the things that he advocated for upon taking that

778
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 3: job and having some pretty quick success. They wanted this.

779
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: Now they're reopening it. I think everybody's going to be hopping.

780
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 2: And they're unopposed in this window, right, this is for

781
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 2: Eastern It's unopposed, right, So this is they know this

782
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 2: is the show that everybody's watching.

783
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 3: This is the show the place is going to be hoping.

784
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 3: It's only week zero, which I believe means that Jalen

785
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 3: Daniels doesn't hurt yet.

786
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 2: Oh, stay healthy.

787
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: I hope he stays healthy. He's very exciting when he is.

788
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: He's just always hurt. He's not hurt yet, so that's good.

789
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 3: And then I think the other layer to this is

790
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: that it's a new regime at Fresno State with Matt Intz,

791
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 3: who I like a lot. I actually really like that

792
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 3: higher he's got the defensive background. I think he's gonna

793
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 3: have a decent defense this year.

794
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: Hired the best tight ends coach in America. Let's not

795
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 2: skip over that. Brian Farrens. Yes, we'll be there. I

796
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 2: just don't trust him on offense with EJ.

797
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 1: Warner. Like EJ.

798
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 2: Warner is not Kurt Warner.

799
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 1: He's not. Hold on, let me write this down yeah,

800
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 1: please put that on the legal pat.

801
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: Not Super Bowl quarterback, Hall of Fame caliber quarterback.

802
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 3: Okay, continue Kansas minus thirteen is the play for me.

803
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna go limb from Okay.

804
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: I don't hate that. Two other games here.

805
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 3: That I want to mention quickly six point thirty. It

806
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 3: is Sam Houston versus Western Kentucky. Western Kentucky is one

807
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 3: of my pet teams this year. Okay, well my pet

808
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 3: teams because what Tyson Helton is doing and running back

809
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 3: his twenty twenty one playbook. So instead of bringing over

810
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 3: Bailey Zappi and his offensive coordinator Zach Kitley from Houston Baptist,

811
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 3: this year, it's Rick Bowie the offensive coordinator and Maverick

812
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 3: mckiv from Most.

813
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 2: To Texas Tech a few years ago.

814
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, from Abilene Christian.

815
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Maverick was super productive last season, almost

816
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 3: beat Texas Tech last year. So I'm curious to see

817
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 3: what that looks like. And also the Houston, the Sam

818
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 3: Houston story is pretty interesting because they lose their coach

819
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 3: to Temple. Phil Longo comes down going to change entirely

820
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 3: the philosophy of the program, which last year defense first.

821
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 3: This year He's going to offense first, it seems. So

822
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 3: you set something up like that, and what do you

823
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 3: think happens? All your defensive guys leave. He's basically replacing

824
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 3: every starter on defense, which is just a hair worse

825
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: than Western Kentucky, which loses like its top twelve tacklers

826
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 3: or something like that. So possible shootout here over under

827
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 3: was like sixty sixty three somewhere in that. I don't

828
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 3: know a lot of points are expected here. I like

829
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 3: Western by about fourteen. They're favored by ten. So I'm

830
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 3: on the hilltoppers here at home.

831
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: Nice little sidebar hair. Because you mentioned Sam Houston being fascinating,

832
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: the actual Sam Houston is super fascinating at the very least.

833
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: Go to the Sam Houston, like the guy Sam Houston

834
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: from the nineteenth century, Yeah, who is like one of

835
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 2: the if not the father of the state of Texas.

836
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,959
Speaker 2: Skim the Wikipedia page. Check out a book about Sam

837
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 2: Houston from your local library. Dude on like two separate

838
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: heartbreak occasions, moved in with the Cherokee people near him.

839
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 2: It's great. Sam Houston fascinating life. I don't condone everything

840
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,439
Speaker 2: he did or thought, but super fascinating. Read about Sam

841
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: Houston a.

842
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: Big Wikipedia page.

843
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big time like if you look at

844
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: if you were to have a Greg Sanki present Strength

845
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 2: of schedule Wikipedia entry rating system. Sam Houston's up there.

846
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 2: It's a good read. Continue all right, fair enough?

847
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: Do you have a lean in this game?

848
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: I guess I'm gonna go Western Kentucky. I think both

849
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: of these two. You know, Western Kentucky was close and

850
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 2: or perform well against some quality teams last year, and

851
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 2: same goes for Sam Houston. The game is at WKU

852
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 2: correct correct, correct, they played last year. I believe Western

853
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 2: Kentucky won close relatively early on in the season. Western

854
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 2: Kentucky should once again be able to exclusively pass and

855
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: maybe not do anything else near that success rate. But

856
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 2: I'm going hilltoppers here.

857
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 3: And finally, seven pm on CBS is Stanford traveling to

858
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 3: the Islands of Hawaii. Hawaii favored by two and a

859
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 3: half points here, So we've got the aforementioned Ben Gilbranson.

860
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 3: I believe I got that name correct that time.

861
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're in the vicinity.

862
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 3: He is leading the charge for Stanford. I don't really

863
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 3: know how you handicap this one. Dan on the Stanford

864
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 3: side anyway because so much new an interim coach. They

865
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 3: are traveling a long ways to get of the islands

866
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 3: to play this game. Meanwhile, I think Hawaii might be

867
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 3: pretty decent this year. There's like a lot back on defense,

868
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 3: more back on defense, I guess than usual. I like

869
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 3: their quarterback Micah Elejado Okay southpaw smaller dude, threw for

870
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 3: four sixty nine and five touchdowns in the last game

871
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 3: of the year last year against New Mexico. I think

872
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 3: this is going to be a very very competitive game

873
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 3: and a fun one to watch at seven pm Eastern time.

874
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 3: I am going Hawaii lower scoring game twenty seven to

875
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 3: twenty somewhere in that neighborhood.

876
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: Every year is different, every team is different, Everything is

877
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 2: its own individual thing. Hawaii playing at home last year,

878
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: you've heard of quiet, quitting tie, quiet quality, Hawaii quiet quality.

879
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 2: If they were playing on the West Coast, not terribly

880
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: far from Hawaii or in Hawaii, they were pretty good.

881
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 2: There was quiet quality to them. You look at what

882
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 2: they did against UCLA early. That was in LA But

883
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 2: when teams came to the islands, like or one specific

884
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 2: island the UNLV, they were right there, like quality team

885
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: that the defense improved, the defense was able to make plays.

886
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 2: If the defense is anywhere near that this season, and

887
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: the quarterback play is okay, I think they're winning this game.

888
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 2: Stanford is just they've got a ways to go. I'm

889
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 2: going Hawaii here. There you have it.

890
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: Those are your five games and a moves boosh, as

891
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: you like to say.

892
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,919
Speaker 2: By the way, I mentioned UC Davis at the top.

893
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 2: They're on big old regular ESPN at six or seven

894
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: pm Eastern. It's like the FCS Showdown Classic or something

895
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 2: against Mercer. I think they're like both in the top

896
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: fifteen or so. Davis is always going to have a

897
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: soft spot in my heart and to Davis a bunch,

898
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 2: So I don't know, that's an interesting window if one

899
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: of the what the aft the Kansas game is out

900
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 2: of control, like Tie anticipates, check in on UC Davis,

901
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:55,919
Speaker 2: check in on the fight and aggies.

902
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: Check in on the other aggies.

903
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 2: Why don't you exactly.

904
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 3: We've got one final segment here today, Dan, it is

905
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 3: time to reveal at long last, the results of our

906
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 3: Verballer Top twelve preseason poll. So we invited those across

907
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 3: the verballer hood to come on over to our Patreon

908
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 3: forballers dot com. Sign up to vote for free, tirely

909
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 3: free to vote in the poll preseason poll. Anyway, I've

910
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 3: been very quietly collecting the results of it. Everybody out

911
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 3: there has already released the results of their preseason poll.

912
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 3: This one, the most important one, is going to be

913
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 3: released last. Number one Texas Longhorns.

914
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: All right, makes sense.

915
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 3: Number two Penn State nitne Lyons. Number three the Ohio

916
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 3: State Buckeyes. Not a whole lot of separation between those

917
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 3: top three teams, very neck and neck.

918
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 2: When you think about college football, you think about Penn

919
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: State being slightly ahead of Ohio State. So I get

920
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: where everybody's coming from there. Continue.

921
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 3: Number four my America is Clemson Tigers, a bit of

922
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 3: a distant fourth, not quite close enough to really challenge

923
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 3: for third over Ohio State.

924
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: And we're saying we're thinking Clemson with huge preseason expectations,

925
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: huge pre interesting codation. I assume it's going to go well.

926
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 3: Continue and definitely a bit of patting between them and

927
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 3: the fifth place team, the Georgia Bulldogs. Okay, so this

928
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 3: is interesting because Georgia by a nose over Alabama, who

929
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 3: came in sixth in our poll. This is about as

930
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 3: low as I've seen Alabama in most of the polls, frankly,

931
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 3: but Alabama came in sixth. Not a lot of separation

932
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 3: between six, seven and eight, which is Alabama at six,

933
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 3: Notre Dame at seven, your Oregon Ducks at number eight.

934
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,479
Speaker 3: To round out the top ten, we've got LSU at nine,

935
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 3: Miami at ten, Arizona State at eleven, and me chigaan

936
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 3: the Wolverines all the way up to twelve in this poll,

937
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 3: which feels aggressive, but nonetheless there's a lot to.

938
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: Like about the Michigan Wolverine year.

939
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 3: So that's your top twelve. By the way, the first

940
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 3: five out that is a thing. Florida Gators were thirteenth,

941
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 3: Texas A.

942
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: And m was fourteenth.

943
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 3: Illinois, Kansas State, and South Carolina. Those are the next

944
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 3: five in that order. What are your reactions to this, Dan.

945
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: Any poll that does not include Missoo in the top

946
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: three is a fraudulent poll. Tie. Look, my reaction to

947
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: this is the same as it is to the AP

948
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 2: and Coach's poll. More broadly speaking, that there's so many

949
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 2: new quarterbacks and so many enormous questions and so much

950
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: roster upheavil for the most part in the top twelve

951
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 2: or top seventeen that we can confidently say that we're

952
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: going to look back on this pole through tiers of laughter.

953
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: And I wouldn't change anything. I wouldn't argue against anybody specific.

954
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 2: Like I'm pretty high on Michigan. I just don't believe

955
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 2: them to be like a conversational team in this moment.

956
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: I'm pretty high on a number of these teams, but

957
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: like when you see the number next to them, they're like,

958
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 2: oh man, that's ah, that's pretty up.

959
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 3: There, Michigan all the way up at twelve. That to

960
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 3: me is what jumped out the most. I think I

961
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 3: had Clemson number one in mind. You know where I

962
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 3: stand on Clemson. I'm all in on Clemson.

963
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: This year.

964
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 3: I had Alabama two. I really like Alabama. Then I

965
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 3: had Penn State, then I had Ohio State, then I

966
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 3: had Texas in that order. Yeah, these polls are largely useless,

967
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 3: but it is an interesting exercise to see how people

968
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 3: feel about these teams after our previews.

969
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: I like the fact that.

970
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 3: We're giving the verbawlers a voice now in the preseason.

971
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 3: Typically we only do this during the season. By the way,

972
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 3: if you sign up at verbolers dot com. You can

973
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 3: vote in this poll all season long if you're a

974
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 3: premium or a certified tier verboler. This will change a

975
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 3: million times over, but we got a great turnout. I

976
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 3: appreciate the verballer hoods stop and buy us, casting their votes,

977
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,240
Speaker 3: making their opinions heard. I saw a bunch of screenshots

978
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 3: out there on the Internet, people talking through their logic

979
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 3: for putting which teams wear, so clearly a million different

980
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 3: schools of thought for how to go about conducting yourself

981
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 3: here with this poll. Got some interesting schools getting votes.

982
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 3: Let's say, Yeah, a couple of Missouri states in there

983
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 3: just for the hell of it. But by and large,

984
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 3: I think what we saw here mostly tracks with what

985
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 3: we've seen elsewhere, a pretty good sense for who the

986
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 3: top teams are at least the start of the season,

987
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 3: at least based on the assumptions that we have after

988
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 3: doing our previews correct.

989
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 2: No, I can't. I can't wait to see how the

990
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 2: poll evolves over time. And just like we had last

991
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 2: year with Arizona State late it's that. I think it's

992
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 2: the eight hundred meters that you know, you got to

993
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: pace yourself and then you come on strong at the end,

994
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 2: your final kick. That's what I'm get excited for. Who's

995
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: that November kick that all of a sudden hasn't been

996
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 2: in that poll for two months and enters at number six,

997
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 2: Just like a team that's just like, yeah, we're here,

998
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 2: this is it, this is who we are. We're top sixteen,

999
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 2: we're top two team. Let's roll. I love that.

1000
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 3: By the way, Overballers dot Com. Again, not to do

1001
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 3: too many promos here in this episode, but you can

1002
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 3: vote in this poll all season long. If you support

1003
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 3: what Dan and I do. You can also get access

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Speaker 3: to ad free episodes, bonus content, our discord server, the

1005
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,680
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1006
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 3: top of the episode, which is now live, living color.

1007
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 2: It is excited.

1008
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: It is ready for you.

1009
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 3: To file your projections, your picks and compete for an

1010
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 3: opportunity to win not only are week one prize which

1011
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 3: won veil next week, but also the season long race

1012
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 3: to be part of our board of Trustees. Yes, that's

1013
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 3: everballers dot Com. Every little bit helps you in an

1014
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 3: agent de light on. I love that support.

1015
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

1016
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 3: We've saved the best for last. And here's the reason

1017
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 3: that I'm doing this. Okay, Okay, I am still very

1018
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 3: sensitive to something that I said after Michigan won the

1019
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 3: National Championship. Okay, in the immediate aftermath of Michigan winning

1020
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 3: that National Championship game a couple of years back over Washington,

1021
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 3: we got eleven minutes into the episode. Eleven minutes I

1022
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 3: went back. I checked this morning just to make sure

1023
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 3: that I was right eleven minutes into that episode before

1024
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 3: I brought up all of this with Michigan. Okay, And

1025
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 3: at the time, my comment was, Hey, we don't know

1026
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 3: what the NCAA is going to say about all this.

1027
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: It's not unreasonable.

1028
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 3: I'm not much for vacating wins, but at least at

1029
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 3: that point in time, there were a lot of people

1030
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 3: sending in thoughts about that this isn't going to count

1031
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 3: in a couple of years when they lower the boom

1032
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 3: on Michigan in response to the science dealing thing Connors

1033
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 3: whatever Connors Stallions did. At the time, we didn't know

1034
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 3: as much as we do now. A lot of Michigan

1035
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 3: fans took exception to that. I didn't want to lead

1036
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 3: the show with that news because at this point we're

1037
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 3: recording several days after it's all been released.

1038
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 1: About a week after.

1039
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 3: So now we have some actual notice from the nc DOUBLEA.

1040
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 3: What does this amount to. It's a big fine, some probation,

1041
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 3: some show causes that have been thrown about Dan, but

1042
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 3: ultimately Michigan gets to keep its national championship. Ultimately, Michigan

1043
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 3: might have something of a reduction in on campus visits

1044
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 3: and some things here and there. But I don't think

1045
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 3: the NCAA really quote unquote lowered the boom on Michigan

1046
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 3: the way that many out there. I think the boom

1047
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 3: days are over tie the way that many out there

1048
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 3: would have hoped.

1049
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: So Michigan's going to be just fine. Michigan, as I

1050
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 1: said a.

1051
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 3: Few moments ago, is twelfth in this preseason poll. What

1052
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 3: was your reaction to the news that Michigan was being

1053
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 3: punished or in some cases not being punished by the

1054
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 3: nc DOUBLEA.

1055
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 2: Not much reaction. So we've had punishments previously with Jim

1056
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 2: Harbass sitting out games and obviously coaches leaving or obviously

1057
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 2: the big employee in Connor Stallion's look, the information that

1058
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 2: came out is not like the most most damning ever,

1059
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 2: and part of that is because a lot of evidence

1060
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 2: and obstruction was involved. A lot of evidence was destroyed,

1061
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 2: I think at the bottom of a pond, or multiple ponds,

1062
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 2: which is where phones ended up. Sure, I think this

1063
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 2: is a two things being true situation. One, Michigan won

1064
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 2: a national championship, right, Michigan did. They won a national championship.

1065
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 2: They won a bunch of games. Also, by the letter

1066
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 2: of the NC doublea's law, to whatever extent you care

1067
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: or put weight in that or zero weight in the

1068
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 2: NC doublea's rule of law, Michigan was a big time

1069
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 2: cheating program. Right for that, For a stretch of time,

1070
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 2: Michigan was a big time cheating program, per the NC DOUBLEA.

1071
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 2: You might not think it, I might not think it,

1072
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 2: but in the eyes of the NC DOUBLEA, the only

1073
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 2: real governing body we have better for much much worse.

1074
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 2: In very tenuous air quotes, yes, yes, Michigan is a

1075
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 2: big old cheating program. And I assume Michigan people are

1076
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: okay with it. I assume a lot of college football

1077
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 2: people are okay with it. But like, we shouldn't fully

1078
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 2: ignore that reality. Right Sure, Look, they've paid, they've paid

1079
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 2: for it, They've had coaches do their time. They will

1080
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 2: have Jim Harbaugh never ever coach that team again, but

1081
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 2: he delivered a championship. There are show causes head coach

1082
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 2: is going to miss another game. I think not this year,

1083
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 2: but next year. He's missing what games three and four

1084
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 2: this year?

1085
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:38,479
Speaker 1: Yep.

1086
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 2: So they're being punished like a program that is a

1087
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 2: big time cheating program in the eyes of the NC

1088
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 2: Double A is being punished not in the same way

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00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 2: that they used to by you know, forfeiting games or

1090
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 2: you know, removing Heisman's anything like that or other trophies.

1091
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 2: And I guess to the NC Double a's credit that

1092
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 2: they're saying that they're not going to punish future players

1093
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 2: and current players for the crimes of past people that

1094
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 2: were in charge. Okay, so that's good because that makes sense.

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00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: That shows growth, I think absolutely, But.

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Speaker 2: It also sort of shines a brighter light on how

1097
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 2: much the NC DOUBLEA just completely trash teams like Ohio

1098
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 2: State and USC and Miami schools like that. So I

1099
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 2: don't think you should feel better if you're a fan

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00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 2: of one of those teams. So here we are at

1101
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 2: least I guess we have some closure. So there's that.

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00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 2: There is that, But that's what I thought about. I

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00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 2: was like, it was not a report of like, oh man,

1104
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 2: that was all overblown. That's on us, guys. That was

1105
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 2: not the report that came from the nc double A.

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00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 2: I don't think people are going to think about this

1107
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 2: for a second moving forward. But yeah, that was our

1108
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,240
Speaker 2: conclusion as a college football society.

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00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 3: I was curious to see what the NCAA was going

1110
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 3: to do, not because I expected anything too salacious, but

1111
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 3: because in this era of college football, it seemed like

1112
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 3: this was maybe their last best chance to exert something

1113
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 3: of real hard compliance.

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00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 1: Right.

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00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 3: The NCAA has definitely been minimized in this new era

1116
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 3: of college football. Frankly, it has been afraid to go

1117
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 3: out after really anybody or anything for fear of lawsuits.

1118
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 3: It just isn't created the same way as it used

1119
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 3: to be. It's a different ecosystem nowadays, and so this

1120
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 3: I saw as maybe its last best chance to show

1121
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 3: that it still has some muscle. In this whole conversation,

1122
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 3: you know, we can debate whether or not it was

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00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 3: enough of a punishment that was handed down. I saw

1124
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 3: plenty of Ohio State people online saying, ah, it wasn't enough.

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00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 3: It was sure that debate is going to be raging

1126
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 3: for years to come. That's not going to be a

1127
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 3: new thing. It certainly hasn't been new for the last

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00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 3: couple of years, So it's very much statisical on that front.

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Speaker 2: Do you think people do you think people in what

1130
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 2: year is this twenty twenty five, twenty thirty three, twenty

1131
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 2: thirty nine, when there are well, no, hold on, not

1132
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 2: Michigan people. Do you think when somebody brings up Jim

1133
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 2: Harbaugh and they all like the forty nine ers and

1134
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 2: the Chargers they won all those Super Bowls with Justin

1135
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 2: Herbert hooray, do you think when they get to that

1136
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 2: Michigan part of the conversation and they're saying, yeah, you know,

1137
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 2: they finally broke through, had a real tough time getting

1138
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 2: to that level, but they won that national championship in

1139
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,439
Speaker 2: twenty twenty whatever it was the twenty twenty three season, right,

1140
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 2: Do you think there will be the like Comma and

1141
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 2: uh there was that wild Connor stallions and institutional spying

1142
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 2: thing involved in that whole run. No, you don't think so,

1143
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 2: I don't. I think it depends on the fan base

1144
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: discussed ends to the base. I think Michigan State fans,

1145
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 2: Ohio State fans, Penn State fans. I think it will.

1146
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 2: Somebody will be like, well, uh so skip to detail

1147
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 2: about that run of Michigan teams.

1148
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 3: The problem that I have with that school thought as

1149
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 3: I'm not all that worked up about this. No I

1150
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 3: I'm not, and I haven't really ever been, contrary to

1151
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 3: popular belief.

1152
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 2: No, well that's not true. You've been worked up in

1153
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 2: a good way about all the very specific details of

1154
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 2: the story. I've gotten so many texts and messages.

1155
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:18,439
Speaker 1: From you, I can't get enough.

1156
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 3: Oh well, and look, I sign stealing is a dark art,

1157
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 3: of course, that exists in all of sports.

1158
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 2: In person against the rules. Signs stealing, yeah, advanced scouting

1159
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 2: in person.

1160
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 3: Yeah it Some iteration of this is present across the

1161
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 3: board in sports. I don't care what sport it is.

1162
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 3: I always had a hard time getting two worked up

1163
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 3: over this. Whether or not it's against the rules that

1164
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 3: you know, that's probably a separate conversation. But for me,

1165
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 3: it never really moved the needle all that much. It

1166
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 3: was still a good team. We saw that team with

1167
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 3: our own eyes. They won games even after this was

1168
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 3: common knowledge that it was going on.

1169
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 2: Right, did it help? Did it hurt?

1170
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay, who's to see.

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01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 2: I don't think it can hurt, but I don't think

1172
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 2: it get hurt.

1173
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 3: But the degree to which it helped that, you know,

1174
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 3: we can debate that until the end of time.

1175
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 2: Sure.

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01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: Frankly, I'm just glad it's over.

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01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 3: I'm glad we can move past this now and we

1178
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 3: can talk about the twenty twenty five season and we

1179
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 3: don't have to sit here and worry about what's gonna

1180
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 3: happen in Michigan. It's it always felt to me like

1181
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 3: it was going to end up like this. The more

1182
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 3: time that passed between the initial bombshells that broke and

1183
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 3: where we are now, it just seemed almost a certainty

1184
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 3: that they weren't going to like dismantle the program. They

1185
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 3: weren't going to go out in a limb they were

1186
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 3: working to just seems like, seems like this was always

1187
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 3: going to be a foregone conclusion.

1188
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds about right. And look, Ty, we've all

1189
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 2: also moved on to the fact that this is a

1190
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 2: Tiger State now, the best team in the American League

1191
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 2: at time of recording. Jason Bennetti calling those games for

1192
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 2: the Detroit Tigers.

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Speaker 3: That's all there, It is, baby, all right, Week zero

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01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 3: is upon us, Dan Rubinstein, wherever it is you are

1195
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 3: out in the verballer hood, enjoy this first weekend of games.

1196
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Speaker 3: Hope you all have a chance to PLoP yourselves in

1197
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 3: front of a TV watch some of the action again.

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Speaker 3: It kicks off at noon Eastern time from Ireland. It

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Speaker 3: is farm again. It is Iowa State, it is Kansas State.

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Speaker 3: early part of next week to talk through what transpires

1206
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Speaker 3: in these games. Of course, the deeper we get into

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Speaker 3: next week, we'll be previewing all of Week one, a

1208
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 3: big college football weekend, like five days worth of college

1209
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Speaker 3: football action starting on Thursday and Friday and Saturday and

1210
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Speaker 3: Sunday all the way through to Monday. So it's going

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Speaker 3: to be a very very busy one for us. Keep

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1214
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Speaker 1: We'd love to see him for sure.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy Week zero everybody, for that guy there, Dan Rumanstein,

1221
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 3: for myself.

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Speaker 2: Tie.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you all in a few days.

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Speaker 2: They saw peace,