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Speaker 2: All right, let's go ahead and move over to some

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Speaker 2: of the latest things that are happening with regard to

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Speaker 2: immigration and deportations.

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Speaker 3: We touched on the.

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Speaker 2: Increasing unpopularity of what Trump is doing and how he

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Speaker 2: really has already lost public trust with regard to his

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Speaker 2: immigration agenda. Let's go and put this latest event upon

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Speaker 2: the screen. So, a judge in Wisconsin was arrested by

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Speaker 2: the FBI after she had allegedly directed an an undocumented

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Speaker 2: immigrant out of a side door that is usually used

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Speaker 2: for jury members, and she was upset that ICE agents

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Speaker 2: had been coming to the courthouse, coming to you know,

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Speaker 2: her courtroom and waiting for immigrants to finish their hearings

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Speaker 2: and then sweeping them up and arresting them. She was

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Speaker 2: upset about that, reportedly, and so she directed this one

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Speaker 2: immigrant and his lawyer to go out a side door.

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Speaker 2: Now the side door apparently led into a public hallway,

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Speaker 2: and he was ultimately arrested anyway, But Ryan, they have

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Speaker 2: now arrested her and charged her for you know, their

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Speaker 2: claiming that she obstructed their ability to arrest this particular immigrant.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and this happened to come, or I don't think

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't say habit to come. It did come shortly

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Speaker 4: after another judge in New Mexico was also arrested, and

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Speaker 4: so it created this this feeling of like, okay, there's

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Speaker 4: a crackdown now on judges. The other one, though, was

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Speaker 4: a this this utterly bizarre case. This is a magistrate

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Speaker 4: judge who had actually stepped down because of this scandal

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Speaker 4: that he ended up getting arrested. For magistrate judge in

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Speaker 4: the county means like you're you're handling like very low

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Speaker 4: level disorderly conduct cases and stuff like this.

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Speaker 5: This is not somebody who has you know.

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Speaker 4: Is out there like stopping ice busses from deporting people.

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Speaker 5: So it's completely separate.

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Speaker 4: This guy's judge, Judge Jose luise Cano, and his bizarre

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Speaker 4: case was he had three guys living in his guesthouse

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Speaker 4: as handymen for his his property and they late they

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Speaker 4: in February, there was a raid and it was claimed

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Speaker 4: that the three men and they say they have lots

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Speaker 4: the guy and his wife for hiding these men that

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Speaker 4: Trump had, you know, declared a member of a group

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Speaker 4: that are now that Trump declared them a terror group

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Speaker 4: while he's in office, so like after they've kind of

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Speaker 4: I had no idea, there's just handymen like okay, And

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Speaker 4: he even said, like I've got grandkids who come over

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Speaker 5: What they were arrested for was tampering with evidence.

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Speaker 4: We don't know exactly what evidence they tampered with, you know,

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Speaker 4: judges and innocent till proven guilty. But in general, like

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Speaker 4: some people when they find themselves in trouble, they quickly

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Speaker 4: are like deleting all of their text messages or something,

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Speaker 4: knows what if anything they did. But they didn't even

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Speaker 4: charge them. It seems like with like housing them. But anyway,

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Speaker 4: and then the second the first case, since you know,

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Speaker 4: somebody trying to defend the case, let me try.

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Speaker 5: Let me see if I can make the best case.

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Speaker 4: The best argument for the fact that she committed a

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Speaker 4: Didn't absolutely did not like them in her courthouse, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Way in a way that suggests like some consciousness of

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Speaker 4: I think is open to question. I don't think it

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Speaker 4: a harboring and immigration fugitive. And I guess, you know,

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Speaker 4: on one level, if there's like if there's a murderer

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Speaker 4: a crime. But you there's another case. I don't think

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Speaker 4: we have it in here. It's going on Tennessee. Did

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Speaker 4: Virginia actually in Charlottesville, Yes, yes, yes, yes, you want

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Speaker 4: like a couple activists who are like, we just, oh,

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Speaker 4: we do have a deal because you've got these plane

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Speaker 4: closed kind of thugs who were just grabbing people, and

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Speaker 4: you have a prosecutor. And then you have a couple

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Speaker 4: of activists who are saying, let me see your warrant,

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Speaker 2: Who are you, show me your badge right, because there's

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Speaker 2: I wish we had grabbed the video, but we showed

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Speaker 2: it previously. We played it because it's it's quite chilling.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's no law that prevents ice from making

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Speaker 3: But it used to be like.

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Speaker 2: You don't do that, right, right, And now that has

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Speaker 2: been explicitly like there was I think a memo that

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Speaker 2: go to the schools, you can go to the courthouses,

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Speaker 2: you can go to the churches, et cetera. And so

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Speaker 2: you see these plane clothes individuals, one of them completely masked,

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I assume his lawyers and these activists are saying,

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Speaker 2: where's your warrant, where's your badge number?

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Speaker 3: Who are you with?

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Speaker 2: And they're just you know, being stonewalled on nearly all

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Speaker 3: Like are you just kidnapping this words? Like what is

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Speaker 4: They haven't charged the activists yet, but they're investigating them.

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Speaker 2: Right, Oh okay, yeah, yeah, so in any case, you know,

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Speaker 2: this is threatening to This comes amid also it's important

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Speaker 2: the context. You obviously have the Republicans constantly said we're

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Speaker 2: going to impeach the judges. What was Steven Miller, We

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Speaker 2: got to get these communists judges out of here, like

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Speaker 2: Trump asserting that, you know, he is effectively the personal

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Speaker 2: representative of the will of the people, and so if

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Speaker 2: thwarting the will of the people and they are therefore illegitimate.

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Speaker 2: We see this administration obviously like outright defying court orders,

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Speaker 2: whether it's turning the planes around or refusing to facilitate

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Speaker 2: kill mar Abrego Garcia's return even though the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: said you have to do that. So it's amidst that

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Speaker 2: climate that you now see this. You know, look, I'm

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Speaker 2: not a legal expert. I want to talk to Pisco

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Speaker 2: or someone else about the strength of this case, but

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Speaker 2: to my reading, the very weak case leading to the

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Speaker 2: arrest of this judge. And they also did it in

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Speaker 2: a very provocative public way where you know, I mean,

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Speaker 2: no one thinks this judge is like a threat to

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Speaker 2: public safety or whatever. You could have if you wanted

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Speaker 2: to charge her, you could have had her voluntarily surrender

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Speaker 2: and not have the images of the handcuffs and all

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Speaker 3: So there's no doubt.

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Speaker 2: I think there is no doubt that this is an

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Speaker 2: intentional signal that is being sent to the judiciary, to

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Speaker 2: anyone who may try to defend the rights of immigrants.

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Speaker 2: I recall also Tom Homan going on TV and saying

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Speaker 2: they might charge AOC because she had done one of

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Speaker 2: these like know your Rights type of seminars, which is

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Speaker 2: something that other members of Congress you know, have done,

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Speaker 2: which is just about skating people. Pay Literally, here are

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Speaker 2: has reported on how sab Gorka, who is the Counter

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Speaker 2: Terrors are as a significant position within the administration, saying

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Speaker 2: that he believes that people who protest the Trump deportation

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Speaker 2: policy may be aiding and embedding providing.

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Speaker 3: Material support to a terrorist.

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Speaker 2: Group, which would also, you know, indicate criminal potential charges

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Speaker 4: Yes, if you ever read any journalism or history about

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Speaker 4: anybody involved in any of that can be surveilled. And

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Speaker 4: of criticism for this, for expanding surveillance authorities to which

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Speaker 4: allows uh, the NSA to basically collect information and communications

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Speaker 4: of people who were here on student visas or green

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Speaker 4: And so they're they're they're basically able to surveil every

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Speaker 4: WhatsApp group, every you know, every you know. If this

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Speaker 4: and then they're reading their stuff too, and they're all

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Speaker 4: and they're doing it all in the name of fighting terrorism. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and it's exactly what Steve Miller said, We're gonna get

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Speaker 4: these terrorists off your off your streets, right when that's

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Speaker 4: not actually what how people understand uh immigration, even even

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Speaker 4: mass immigration or even mass deportation. They I think people

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Speaker 4: understand it as these people came here illegally and we're going.

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Speaker 5: To deport them.

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Speaker 4: Like those the supporters of Trump's immigration, they don't think

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Speaker 2: One of the innovations of the Trump two point zero

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Speaker 2: campaign is previously even you know, I would say Trump

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Speaker 2: one point oh, there was a mixture of this, but

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Speaker 2: Trump two point zero was more of the pure embodiment. Previously,

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Speaker 2: the conversation about immigration was like they're taking your jobs

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Speaker 2: and Jade van Zutaro, they're causing the cost of housing

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Speaker 2: to go up, et cetera. Trump talks about immigrants almost

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Speaker 2: exclusively as criminals, right, and so you know, they really

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Speaker 2: sought to betray this group, even though we all know

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Speaker 2: the data that undocumented immigrants have a lower crime rate

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Speaker 2: even lower crime rate than the native born population. But

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Speaker 2: he really sought to portray every immigrant and you see

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Speaker 2: this in this administration very clearly as a criminal and

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Speaker 2: Year old, right and yeah, and vanish them before anyone

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Speaker 5: Right, Well, that's shame they're in Honduras.

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Speaker 4: Senator Alyssa Slockin had told Bernie Sanders and AOC to

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Speaker 7: His response, Democrats should stop using the term oligarchy because

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Speaker 8: Senator, Well, jeez, we had thirty six thousand people out

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Speaker 9: Are.

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Speaker 8: They they understand very well when the top one percent

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Speaker 8: living in a democracy when mister Musk can spend two

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Speaker 8: Those are issues that we have got to talk about.

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Speaker 8: That is the reality of American society today. The very

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Speaker 4: Response, and we can put up D two here was

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Speaker 5: Needed although surveys showed that actually people don't need it.

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Speaker 4: That people were asked if they could define it, and

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Speaker 4: Not that complicated word like a bunch of billionaires running

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Speaker 2: And Alyssa Slotkin many pointed out, had no problem using

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so, yeah, you know, I'm always on the lookout

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Speaker 4: I don't think that's what's happening here, but I'm curious

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Speaker 4: It's a distraction from you know, fighting for the working

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Speaker 4: a frame that covers that. Right, Like, if you are

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Speaker 2: I think that's really well put. And the proof is

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Speaker 2: It is a lot of normy Democrats, which is why

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Speaker 2: I think it's an incredibly helpful frame. As you said

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Speaker 3: For all of us.

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Speaker 2: So, you know, political consultants have been trying to come

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Speaker 2: those ends incredibly effectively, incredibly effectively, Like you can see

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Speaker 2: the no one else in the Democratic Party has the level,

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Speaker 2: has garnered the level of energy, attention and excitement as

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Speaker 2: AOC and Bernie have you know, I would I guess next,

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Speaker 2: I would put like Chris van Holland taking a genuinely

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Speaker 2: I would say, courageous action going down to Solvador, like

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Speaker 2: actually doing something out in the real world. I will

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Speaker 2: say a lot of liberals are very excited about Corey

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Speaker 2: Booker's speech. That one didn't speak to me personally as much,

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Speaker 2: but I do want to say a lot of people

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Speaker 2: were really excited about.

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Speaker 3: That because it at least showed some fight.

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Speaker 2: But you know, viewing what is happening in the Trump

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Speaker 2: administration through this lens of oligarchy, I think really does

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Speaker 2: unify the left the liberals and creates this sort of

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Speaker 2: powerful coalition that is also somewhat oppositional to the like

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Speaker 2: think tank driven abundance conversation that Alyssa Slotkin. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: she like calls herself like an abundance person, but she

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Speaker 2: would be more in line with that. And the last

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Speaker 2: thing I'll say about it is AOC and you you

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Speaker 2: could speak to this better than anyone. She has really

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Speaker 2: positioned herself previously as being one to work within the

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Speaker 2: boundaries of the Democratic Party and not wanting to get

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Speaker 2: too crosswise with leadership, et cetera. The fact that she

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Speaker 2: and Bernie are both taking a much more directly adversarial

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Speaker 2: position vis a the Alyssa Slotkin firing back, I think

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Speaker 2: is also kind of a sign of the times and

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Speaker 2: the sign they feel that the public is on their side.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of times in the past, the party

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Speaker 4: establishment or Slotkin types would fire at Bernie or AOC

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Speaker 4: people in the squad and they wouldn't even fire back,

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 5: They would just take the arrows yep as.

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Speaker 4: And be like, we're being part of a team, not

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Speaker 4: as a kind of team is this it's just constantly

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Speaker 4: shooting at you. But now they're feeling better, like they're

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Speaker 4: feeling their oaths and they're ready to fire back on

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Speaker 4: that front. We have news out this morning that Justice

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Speaker 4: Democrats is making its first endorsement not just of the

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty six cycle, but even of the twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: four cycle.

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Speaker 5: Well, not that they didn't.

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Speaker 4: Endorse anybody in the twenty twenty four cycle, but they

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Speaker 4: didn't recruit anybody to challenge sitting incumbents because they put

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Speaker 4: all of their energy into protecting the squad, four of

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Speaker 4: whom they you know, survived, two of whom, famously Corey

484
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Speaker 4: Bush and Jamal Bowman, after tens of millions were spent,

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Speaker 4: did not. So this is the first time that they're

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Speaker 4: going back on offense. And it's Donovan McKinney, who is

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Speaker 4: a state rep in Detroit who's running against Shri Thanadar,

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Speaker 4: who we'll talk about in a moment and is quite

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Speaker 4: a fun, fun guy.

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Speaker 5: To his characters. He's he's quite quite a character.

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Speaker 4: So this would give you two Justice Democrats in Detroit,

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Speaker 4: because Rashida Talib is there as well. He's a former

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Speaker 4: climate activist, grew up working class in Detroit, and he

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Speaker 4: talks about that in his biography, which let's let's roll

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Speaker 4: his launch video which is which is rolling out this morning,

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Speaker 4: just to get a sense of you know where kind

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Speaker 4: of the justice Democrats left is in in thinking about

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Speaker 4: their positioning again against an incombent Democrat.

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Speaker 5: So let's roll this opening ad.

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Speaker 10: People across this country and even the world, no Detroit,

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Speaker 10: or they think they do.

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Speaker 6: They know our music, our sports, our struggling.

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Speaker 10: But what people always forget as none of this is

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Speaker 10: possible without our people.

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Speaker 6: This district is.

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Speaker 10: One of the poorest places in America. But the ninety

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Speaker 10: thirteenth knows hard work better than anyone is the people

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Speaker 10: who clock in generation after generation, shift after shift that

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Speaker 10: get forgotten first. Somewhere along the way, we got convinced

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Speaker 10: we should settle for less from the people we elect

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Speaker 10: to represent. Us are running for Congress because we deserve better.

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Speaker 10: We deserve a Democratic party that leads the fight against

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Speaker 10: the billionaires robinus blocs, that stands up it's a corporate packs.

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Speaker 10: Our country and our children can afford nothing less. People

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Speaker 10: like our congressmen, Sita at our are the problems. A

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Speaker 10: long time millionaire who spent millions to Bia Sea to Conye,

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Speaker 10: who has more in common with Donald Trump and Eli

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Speaker 10: Munk than people like us. I was born next to smokestacks.

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Speaker 10: We moved thirteen times as a kid. Sometimes it was

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Speaker 10: an apartment, sometimes it was a family member's house. Sometimes

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Speaker 10: it was even our own car. But wherever it was,

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Speaker 10: my mom and Grandma made sure it felt like home.

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Speaker 10: I spent my life trying to give back to help

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Speaker 10: the place and.

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Speaker 6: People I love.

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Speaker 10: I've never forgotten my roots or the two purpose of

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Speaker 10: why I served, so always put the people first. When

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Speaker 10: things are darkest, it's when you fight the hardest. I'm

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Speaker 10: running for my wife, mother and grandmother and all women

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Speaker 10: who deserve Congress that fights for the rights. I'm running

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Speaker 10: for my baby boys because the block you live on

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Speaker 10: shouldn't determine how far you'll go. I'm running for you because,

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Speaker 10: like all of you, I know we deserve better. This

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Speaker 10: is my home, this is our community, this is our future,

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Speaker 10: and the choice is our I'm Donovan McKinney, and I'm

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Speaker 10: running for Congress to take back this seat for us,

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Speaker 10: always with the people.

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Speaker 5: So what do you make of that messaging?

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Speaker 4: I mean the touch, the vocabulary, new deal Medicare for all,

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Speaker 4: like that type of stuff that was stuck in twenty

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Speaker 4: eighteen wasn't really in there.

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Speaker 5: But what do you think of the messaging, Yeah, it's.

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Speaker 2: A class raming. This guy's on a touch. She's in there.

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Speaker 2: He has more in touch with Donald Trump and Elon

545
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Speaker 2: Musk than he does with you and me. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to you know, I'm connected to this community and I'm

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Speaker 2: going to be the one who's there to actually.

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Speaker 3: Fight for you.

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Speaker 5: Now, the funny thing is who he's running against.

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Speaker 4: You just can't make this guy up so well the

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Speaker 4: next elements. Zed Jalani busted this guy in absolutely hilarious

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Speaker 4: fashion in twenty eighteen when he was running for governor

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Speaker 4: of Michigan. He was actually the front runner for governor

554
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Speaker 4: ahead of Whitmer when Zed wrote this story, and the

555
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Speaker 4: story was that he met with a bunch of consultants

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Speaker 4: ahead of the race, both Republican and Democratic, and they

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Speaker 4: asked him like, tell us about yourself, like we're going

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Speaker 4: to if we're going to represent you, what what party

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Speaker 4: are you going to run? Ass Like are you a

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Speaker 4: republic your Demmer? He's like you tell me, oh my god,

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Speaker 4: it's like I want to be governor.

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Speaker 5: Tell me what I need lane? What's the lane? And

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Speaker 5: tell me what I need to say? Like he was

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Speaker 5: like confused, Like wait a minute, I'm going to tell

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Speaker 5: you this. You're the consultant. Oh my god, you tell

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Speaker 5: me what I think.

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Speaker 4: And the one thing that was consistent in his conversations

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Speaker 4: with these consultants was that he had a visceral disdain

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Speaker 4: for Bernie. But Bernie was hot then, so he ended

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Speaker 4: up running as Bernie. He was going to do Medicare

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Speaker 4: for all for Michigan, and like, he did a whole

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Speaker 4: Bernie campaign and was spending his own money and as

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Speaker 4: a result, was at the very top. And then this

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Speaker 4: came out as like and then other things like he

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Speaker 4: was just just a complete mess.

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Speaker 5: So then in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: So the Bernie brand initially actually was, it was working, it.

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Speaker 4: Was actually working for him, and then he faded and

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Speaker 4: Whittmer wins. Then in twenty twenty two he runs for

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Speaker 4: Congress and spends millions of his own money as a

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Speaker 4: leftist again. Oh first he I guess was twenty twenty.

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Speaker 4: He wons like a state rep seat or something, So

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Speaker 4: he buys a house in the legislature. Okay, then he

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Speaker 4: runs for Congress. When he was in the legislature, he

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Speaker 4: signed on to resolutions that called Israel an apartheid state

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Speaker 4: and said that it should not get any US funding.

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Speaker 4: So because it's a common popular position in Detroit, he

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Speaker 4: runs for Congress saying similar things. Apak spent like four

589
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Speaker 4: or five million dollars in twenty twenty two trying to

590
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Speaker 4: beat him, and he overcame it because he spent so

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Speaker 4: much of his own money. So he's then elected to Congress.

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Speaker 4: After he's elected to Congress, Apak takes him and his

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Speaker 4: family on a trip to Israel. He comes back, he's reformed,

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Speaker 4: does a complete one eighty, so that in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 4: activists in Detroit recruit somebody to run against him, and

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Speaker 4: Apax spends millions defending Street then because now he's a

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Speaker 4: full on pro Israel guy.

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Speaker 2: That's so funny though that he had already defeated them

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Speaker 2: and then completely it's like, you know, the move is

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Speaker 2: to be John Fetterman and just be like, I don't.

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Speaker 3: Want you in my race. Let me.

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Speaker 5: So Apak has now is it from the jump?

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Speaker 4: They have now spent like ten million dollars on him,

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Speaker 4: half of it against him, half of it for him.

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Speaker 4: His opponent, her name was Mary Waters. She raised only

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Speaker 4: about two hundred thousand dollars, So what she didn't really run.

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Speaker 5: She was serious, but she didn't have the money to compete, gotcha.

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Speaker 2: So what you're telling me is Donovan is going to

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Speaker 2: be facing millions of dollars.

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Speaker 5: In He's definitely gonna be facing millions. But he has already.

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Speaker 4: The other thing that makes this a much different Justice

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Speaker 4: Democrats race is that he already has the support of

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Speaker 4: like a ton of like establishment Democrats. Interesting, just because

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Speaker 4: Street Thanner is just a ridiculous figure. Interesting, it's so

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Speaker 4: it's so weird to them, and it's just it does

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Speaker 4: not helpful to them to have a member of Congress

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Speaker 4: who you you can't you can't trust, you don't know

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Speaker 4: like what he's going to believe a week later.

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Speaker 5: So even if you're just a machine politician, that's not

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Speaker 5: helpful for you.

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Speaker 3: It's almost like the George Santos of the left.

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Speaker 4: He's he's yes, like it, and and there are allegations

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Speaker 4: of fraud which you can find like it.

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Speaker 5: It's a real Santos of the left kind of situation.

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Speaker 4: And so even regular Democrats, and I think sources in

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Speaker 4: Detroit say that this could be the first JD candidate

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Speaker 4: out of the gate to actually have like organized labor.

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Speaker 5: Support, which is like that's the that's the coalition that

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Speaker 5: you need.

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Speaker 4: You need the kind of DSA or whatever you call it,

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Speaker 4: you know, plus organized labor you know, get uh to

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Speaker 4: like actually take over the party.

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Speaker 2: So how much offense is just as Democrats, it's in

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Speaker 2: a position to go on a cycle.

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Speaker 5: Not a ton.

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Speaker 4: And they've never pad their spots and they've never really

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Speaker 4: you know that the first year when they did AOC

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Speaker 4: and Corey Bush and set Leave Milanalm or all the

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Speaker 4: others they endorsed like one hundred plus people. They've never

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Speaker 4: done that since then because they couldn't. All they could

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Speaker 4: do is endorse right, they could only really go in

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Speaker 4: on a couple.

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Speaker 5: So we'll we'll stay now.

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Speaker 4: If they if they team up with our guy, what's

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Speaker 4: his name, the d n C vice president, Oh, David, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: David Hogg, who's you know talking about spending millions of

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Speaker 4: dollars going after.

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Speaker 3: Bernie's recruiting candidates as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and if and if you know, they're threatened to

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Speaker 4: kick him out of the d NC for doing this,

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Speaker 4: which he's got to leave the DNC, right like if

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Speaker 4: you if he capitulates and walks back from that that's

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Speaker 4: the end.

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Speaker 2: Of him, right in my opinion, I guess it wouldn't

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Speaker 2: be The name of him is like, you know.

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Speaker 4: Party functioning. It could be a party functionary that doesn't

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Speaker 4: seem to be.

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Speaker 5: What he wants to be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he has enough of his own profile he

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Speaker 2: doesn't need the DMC.

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, that's what I would think as well, DNC

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Speaker 5: vice president vice chair. What is that done? Even gets

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Speaker 5: paid for that?

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Speaker 3: I have no idea. Yeah, I have no idea.

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Speaker 2: It gets you like, you know, you get into the

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Speaker 2: suites with the fancy corporate boxes and whatever.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I guess you.

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Speaker 5: Get some boxes.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So Donald McKinney taken on Street Danadar. It'd be interesting

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Speaker 5: if he knocks him off.

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Speaker 4: But in some ways it would not be like when

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Speaker 4: AOC took out Joe Crowley.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a blow to the structure of the

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Speaker 5: Democratic Party.

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Speaker 4: Now they replaced him as caucus chair with the King Jeffries,

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Speaker 4: so the structure restructured itself. But taking out Street danad

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Speaker 4: Art nice.

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Speaker 5: But it's like.

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Speaker 2: There's plenty of establishment Democrats who would be on board

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Speaker 2: with that as well. Gotcha, Okay, all right, we wanted

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Speaker 2: to make sure to cover what is unfolding in Indian Pakistan?

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Speaker 2: Because you know, these are two nuclear powers always at

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Speaker 2: odds with one another, but tension has ramped up significantly

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Speaker 2: after a horrific terrorist attack last week.

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Speaker 3: So let's go ahead and get to our guest.

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Speaker 4: Indian Pakistan continue to be at the break of all

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Speaker 4: out war, it feels like, and joining us to discuss

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Speaker 4: it is drop Site. New South Asia correspondent said, Darth

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Speaker 4: you Roy joining us from are you you?

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Speaker 5: And Deli now said yep, I'm in Duddie. Well, thank

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Speaker 5: you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 4: I want to start with this Donald Trump clip on

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Speaker 4: Air Force one where he was asked about the rising tensions.

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Speaker 5: Let's roll this, well, any message for that?

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Speaker 9: I mean, you're going to be talking today.

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Speaker 12: The earth close to India and I'm very close to

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Speaker 12: Pakistan as you know. And they've had that fight for

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Speaker 12: a thousand years in Kashmir. Kashmir has been going on

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Speaker 12: for a thousand years, probably.

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Speaker 9: Longer than that. And it was a bad one yesterday though,

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Speaker 9: that was a bad one.

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Speaker 12: Over thirty people that you concerned, and there's now tensions

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Speaker 12: on the border between them that you concerned them?

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Speaker 9: How are you concerned?

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Speaker 13: You about one of their.

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Speaker 12: Are pretensions on that border for one thousand, five hundred years,

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Speaker 12: so you know, the same as a spin.

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Speaker 9: But they'll get it figured out one way or the other.

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Speaker 9: Appeture that is, I know both leaders.

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Speaker 12: There's a great tension between Pakistan and India, but there

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Speaker 12: always has.

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Speaker 4: Been, so not sure about Trump's history lesson there. But

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Speaker 4: the approximate cause of the tensions is a brutal terrorist

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Speaker 4: attack that was carried out last week which killed.

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Speaker 5: I believe twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Twenty twenty six, almost all Hindu tourists, aists, all Hindo tourists,

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Speaker 4: and the details of the attack are absolutely.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely chilling.

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Speaker 4: Gunmen going person to person asking are you know, basically

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Speaker 4: are you Muslim? Are you are you Hindu? And if

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Speaker 4: they find Muslim, just executing them on the spot, including

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Speaker 4: one Christian as well, who you know was killed after

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Speaker 4: some mention of Gaza apparently as well, like so absolutely horrific.

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Speaker 4: Being my understanding is in India they're talking about it

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Speaker 4: as kind of our October seventh and we know what

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Speaker 4: happened in Israel after October seventh. So you said from

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Speaker 4: you're saying, are we going to get war here?

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Speaker 11: I hope not. I hope you're not.

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Speaker 14: India Pakistan decided better than to go into war with

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Speaker 14: each other because these aren't This is not an Israt

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Speaker 14: Balasagin conflict. This is a conflict between two nations who

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Speaker 14: are pretty much armed to the teeth with nuclear stockpile.

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Speaker 14: So a war if it breaks out between these two countries,

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Speaker 14: the escalation will go to really bad places. But it's

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Speaker 14: not just hope that I'm counting on. It's also history,

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Speaker 14: it's also reality of today. A direct war doesn't really

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Speaker 14: help either the ruling dispensation of India or that of Pakistan.

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Speaker 14: These formats of attacks, you know, what they call proxy

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Speaker 14: war in these parts. This has been happening for quite

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Speaker 14: a while, and usually we see a pattern that there

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Speaker 14: is some terror attack as they call it. Then the

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Speaker 14: victim country, the leadership there, starts making big statements that

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Speaker 14: we're going to go to war, We're going to do this,

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Speaker 14: We're going to do that. Completely diverts or deflects attention

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Speaker 14: from the fact that there has been a massive intel failure,

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Speaker 14: a massive security failure on their site. And then it

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Speaker 14: goes through this dangerous greame of brinkmanship and they start

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Speaker 14: pulling out the piling up their forces and tanks and everything.

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Speaker 14: But we haven't really seen a full on escalation. And

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Speaker 14: may I mention here that India sent out its navy

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Speaker 14: towards it's big warship towards Pakistan day before yesterday, but

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Speaker 14: that ship is not back in the dogs. So no,

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Speaker 14: I don't think there is an immated chance of escalation.

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Speaker 2: Let's go and put E three up on the screen. Guys,

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Speaker 2: you wrote an incredibly prescient piece for drop site saying

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Speaker 2: Mody's Hindu nationalist project in Jamu and Kashmir has become

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Speaker 2: a nightmare for Hindus, really sadly Prussian effectively predicting some

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Speaker 2: sort of horrific terrorist attack as the one that we

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Speaker 2: just witnessed last week.

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Speaker 3: Perhaps you can explain a.

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Speaker 2: Little bit of the recent if you want the longer

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Speaker 2: term history, you can give President Trump here a little

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Speaker 2: bit of an education on where the tensions actually originally

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Speaker 2: stem from, not one thousand or fifteen hundred years in

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Speaker 2: the past, as he seemed as he asserted there. But

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Speaker 2: what is the different approach that Mody has taken with

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Speaker 2: regard to this region and what have some of the

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Speaker 2: consequences been. Why were you able to predict that we

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Speaker 2: would see something as horrible as what we did just see.

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Speaker 14: Unlike Trump, who or for that matter, mister Modi or

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Speaker 14: General Laseimonair, some of US journalists actually spend time in

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Speaker 14: Kashmir and trying to understand what's happening on the ground.

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Speaker 14: That's why we are able to see certain patterns. The

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Speaker 14: principal thing that Modi did was he scrapped a very

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Speaker 14: important part of the Indian Constitution which granted a very

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Speaker 14: large amount of autonomy to the state of Jammu and Kashmir.

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Speaker 14: When he scrapped that, he made a sweeping declaration that

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Speaker 14: there's scrapping of, as they call it, the apbrogation of

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Speaker 14: Article three seventy. It would usher in a need of

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Speaker 14: absolute peace and terrorism would finish once and for all,

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Speaker 14: very much like what we keep hearing President Trump saying

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Speaker 14: every once in a while. Instead, what happened is that

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Speaker 14: the abrogation led to the suspension of the elected civilian

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Speaker 14: government the state of German in Kashmir.

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Speaker 12: And.

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Speaker 14: It became completely controlled by New Delhi, which in turn

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Speaker 14: meant that the intel networks, the ground level human intelligence networks,

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Speaker 14: which actually worked to feed information preemptive measures were taken

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Speaker 14: basis that information.

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Speaker 11: They died out slowly.

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Speaker 14: Principle among them is it's not spoken about very widely,

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Speaker 14: but one of the biggest sources of intelligence for the

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Speaker 14: New Delhi government are the political parties who work on

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Speaker 14: the ground in Kashmir. When you have suspended elections, when

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Speaker 14: you have effectively debarred them, taken away their franchise, they

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Speaker 14: do not want to cooperate. And that's what happened here. Last,

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Speaker 14: but not the least, we have to understand what sort

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Speaker 14: of politics Mesumodi espouses. It's one which is unbriddled hatred

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Speaker 14: against the muslimp even if he may not say it

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Speaker 14: in as many words anymore. His teams are out there abusing, demeaning,

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Speaker 14: defaming Indian Muslims all the time. How does he expect

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Speaker 14: the local population to cooperate and give him intelligence of

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Speaker 14: these sorts. That's what we spoke about in our story,

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Speaker 14: in our investigation, and I wish it wasn't this way,

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Speaker 14: but yes, we did tell the world so.

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Speaker 4: And can you talk a little bit about the group

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Speaker 4: that initially claimed credit for the attack but then very

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Speaker 4: oddly kind of backed off of that a few days later.

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Speaker 4: And what is understood in India to be the.

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Speaker 5: Backing of this attack.

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Speaker 14: So the group is called the Resistance Front. The Resistance

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Speaker 14: Front appears to be from all our sources, from government records,

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Speaker 14: nothing but a rebranding of the of the lashkar At

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Speaker 14: taiba one of the largest militant and terrorist organizations in

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Speaker 14: the world, which is based out of Pakistan primarily and

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Speaker 14: is focused on secessionist activities in Kashmir. What we saw

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Speaker 14: not only in this attack, even in the previous attack

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Speaker 14: which we've mentioned in our report rac I think it

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Speaker 14: was where the TRF claimed responsibility and then I.

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Speaker 11: Don't know, it wasn't us.

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Speaker 14: But that doesn't really matter that that that's not something

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Speaker 14: we need to look into too much because if the

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Speaker 14: TRF is merely the lashkar At Taibad, then they've been

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Speaker 14: around for a while. The Indians technically speaking, have not

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Speaker 14: given any proof on the table showing direct involvement of Pakistan,

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Speaker 14: but even a cursory history, a look at history of

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Speaker 14: how the LIT operates. I mean, the chief is sitting

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Speaker 14: and alive and under the project of the Pakistani government

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Speaker 14: though he's under several international sanctions. This is the all

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Speaker 14: roads kind of lead back to Pakistan, and the Indian

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Speaker 14: population is quite convinced, and interestingly enough, even the most

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Speaker 14: bitter opponents of Masumodi across parties, they have voiced their

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Speaker 14: anger and condemnation against Pakistan for enacting this attack, and

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Speaker 14: they've likened it to the twenty six to eleven attacks

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Speaker 14: in Mumbai.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's an interesting dynamic because on the one hand,

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Speaker 4: like you said, there's no evidence that's been presented that

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Speaker 4: Pakistan had any.

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Speaker 5: Direct role in this particular attack.

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Speaker 4: But of course the fact that the organization exists, is armed,

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Speaker 4: and is so strong can't be separated from its relationship

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Speaker 4: with Pakistan.

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Speaker 11: So I.

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Speaker 4: Asked Wakasakman, who was drop sized Pakistan correspondent, you know,

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Speaker 4: for his take from the Pakistani side on what the

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Speaker 4: role of the Pakistan government was in this and he had,

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Speaker 4: I thought, a pretty nuanced and interesting response, and we

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Speaker 4: recorded this as a pre interview. So let me roll

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Speaker 4: a little bit of this and then get your response

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Speaker 4: to his analysis.

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Speaker 15: So far, India has not presented any official evidence that

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Speaker 15: Pakistan may have backed this terror attack, but interestingly, the

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Speaker 15: Pakistani Interior Minister called for a neutral inquiry into this attack.

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Speaker 15: And the Pakistani Defense minister called on Russia, China or

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Speaker 15: a Western country to be a part of these investigations.

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Speaker 15: And that's not normal. Pakistan had actually been trying to

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Speaker 15: get closer to India for the.

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Speaker 5: Past few years.

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Speaker 15: Pakistan had been abiding by the ceasefire agreement broken by

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Speaker 15: General Bajwara in twenty twenty and as you also reported

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Speaker 15: that Pakistan had been looking the other way as Indian

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Speaker 15: intelligence carried out a string of assassinations inside Pakistan targeting

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Speaker 15: former Kashmiri militants and sick Acti activists. So it seems

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Speaker 15: unlike that Pakistani military will break the ceasefire for nothing.

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Speaker 15: That brings us to the more interesting question, why is

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Speaker 15: the Pakistani military the primary suspect whenever something happens in India?

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Speaker 15: And that's the core of this issue. There's this dynamic

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Speaker 15: that has existed between Pakistan and India for a long time.

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Speaker 15: India and Pakistan have used proxy war as a strategy

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Speaker 15: against each other, so automatically, whenever there's an attack in

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Speaker 15: one country, the other country is blamed. And this is

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Speaker 15: a knee jerk reaction at this point. So every time

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Speaker 15: this happens, there's a threat of escalation between these two countries.

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Speaker 15: The problem with this particular conflict is that the escalation

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Speaker 15: ladder goes as far up as nuclear. Hence, the only

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Speaker 15: way out of this issue, this threat, this danger to

878
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Speaker 15: the world is this long standing unresolved dynamic between these

879
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Speaker 15: two countries must be resolved. But with the far right,

880
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Speaker 15: borderline fascist go arnment in India, with Prime Minister Moodi

881
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Speaker 15: and this totalitarian military regime in Pakistan, it seems impossible

882
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Speaker 15: that either side has the will or the imagination to

883
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Speaker 15: resolve this issue once and for all.

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Speaker 4: So said an interesting point there that on the one hand,

885
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Speaker 4: Pakistan doesn't immediately it kind of clashes with Pakistan's more

886
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Speaker 4: recent kind of conciliatory approach to India. Yet at the

887
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Speaker 4: same time they have been funding these proxy funding and

888
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Speaker 4: backing these proxy groups for many years. So of course

889
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Speaker 4: at the top suspect, what's your.

890
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Speaker 5: Response to what you heard from Okas?

891
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Speaker 6: There?

892
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Speaker 14: workAs is absolutely on point in what he is saying

893
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Speaker 14: is and I agree that India has technically not put

894
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Speaker 14: any evidence.

895
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Speaker 11: On the table.

896
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Speaker 14: But if you note that the ministers from the Pakistan

897
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Speaker 14: side of Kashmid, the Pakistani occupied side of Kashmid. They

898
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Speaker 14: did a press conference right after the Pelgam incident and

899
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Speaker 14: in that you can hear the ministers are on record

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Speaker 14: saying that you can't be funding anti Pakistan activities in

901
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Speaker 14: Balotastan and then expect your civilians to be safe. For

902
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Speaker 14: every civilian you kill here, we will make sure we

903
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Speaker 14: kill Indian civilians. So this very well could be a

904
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Speaker 14: tit for tat and may I add here with due

905
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Speaker 14: question because this is only preliminary in both we are getting.

906
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Speaker 14: Two of our sources in Pakistan have mentioned that this

907
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Speaker 14: was this attack was in retaliation of the Jaafar Express

908
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Speaker 14: hijacking that had happened recently, just a couple of weeks

909
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Speaker 14: backs in Pakistan. So this is very much true that

910
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Speaker 14: this proxy war or tit for tat a thing between

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Speaker 14: India and Pakistan.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like they want to have it both both ways.

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Speaker 5: Sid Roy, thanks so much for joining us.

914
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Speaker 4: I encourage O go read his piece for drops and

915
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Speaker 4: it's just Google drop site news and kind of cash

916
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Speaker 4: bere and I think his piece will come up and

917
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Speaker 4: you'll have a good sense and if you would have

918
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Speaker 4: read it when it came out, you would not be

919
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Speaker 4: surprised that this had just happened, said, thanks so much

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Speaker 4: for your reporting and for joining us.

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Speaker 11: Thank you.

922
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Speaker 2: Canadians are headed to the polls today and what has

923
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Speaker 2: turned out to be an absolutely extraordinary election, which has

924
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Speaker 2: a lot to do with our own president and his

925
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Speaker 2: trade war and what's going on there. So to break

926
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Speaker 2: it all down for us, very happy to be joined

927
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Speaker 2: by David Dole, who is host of The Rational National.

928
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Speaker 2: His YouTube channel is absolutely blowing up and it's great

929
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Speaker 2: to see you, David.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us.

931
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Speaker 6: Great to be here.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, Yeah, of course.

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Speaker 2: So let's go and throw this first element up on

934
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Speaker 2: the screen that just shows the polling trends between the

935
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Speaker 2: Conservative and Liberal party.

936
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Speaker 3: Here you can see the Liberals really.

937
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Speaker 2: Were down and out and then suddenly Trump launches this

938
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Speaker 2: insane trade war and their fortunes changed significantly. So now

939
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Speaker 2: they go into an election day at least somewhat as

940
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Speaker 2: the favorite. Here, just break down for us the contours,

941
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Speaker 2: who's running, what are the dynamics, what accounts for this

942
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Speaker 2: dramatic shift.

943
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Speaker 16: Yeah, So the Liberals have been in power since twenty

944
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Speaker 16: fifteen under Trudeau's Liberals overtaking a Conservative government at the time,

945
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Speaker 16: came in with a majority government have been in power

946
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Speaker 16: for nine years and then up until you know, a

947
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Speaker 16: couple of years ago, Poling really began to shift post

948
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Speaker 16: COVID due to the affordability crisis and I think largely

949
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Speaker 16: as well due to people just being tired of having

950
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Speaker 16: the same people in power seeing Trudeau every day. And

951
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Speaker 16: then it got to a point where in December it

952
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Speaker 16: was like they were down and out, and Christia Freelan,

953
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Speaker 16: essentially Trudeau's second in command, decided to come out against

954
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Speaker 16: him and resign from her post as there was about

955
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Speaker 16: to be a cabinet shuffle and she didn't want to

956
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Speaker 16: change her position, so that was sort of the first

957
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Speaker 16: thing to drop. And then after the new year, Trudeau

958
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Speaker 16: decided to step down and have a leadership race, So

959
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Speaker 16: there was a race between Christian Freelan, Mark Carney, and

960
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Speaker 16: a few others. Kartie ended up winning that and ever since.

961
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Speaker 16: So it was a combination of both Trudeau stepping down

962
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Speaker 16: and people being tired of him, as well as Trump

963
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Speaker 16: and just the ongoing threats, the threats of annexation, the

964
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Speaker 16: fifty first state governor, Trudeau, all this garbage. So that

965
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Speaker 16: combination led to this dramatic shift which you know, I'm

966
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Speaker 16: reading the analysis of the history of Canada and these

967
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Speaker 16: sorts of elections. There has never been a shift like

968
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Speaker 16: this this quickly in our history.

969
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 4: And how much of this is the trade war and

970
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Speaker 4: how much of this is Trump's fifty first state barbs?

971
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Speaker 5: Where at first you're like.

972
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Speaker 4: Ha ha, that's kind of funny, right, you're joking, right,

973
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Speaker 4: this is this is a gag, and it's like, oh, wait,

974
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Speaker 4: I'm not so sure this is a joke anymore. Like so, yeah,

975
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 4: because if you look at that polling collapse, it predates

976
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Speaker 4: him even being sworn in. It dates back to him

977
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Speaker 4: making all of his fifty first state jabs.

978
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Speaker 5: So what's been the response there?

979
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Speaker 4: And if you had to wait the two things the tariff,

980
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Speaker 4: the tariffs in the trade war and the fifty first

981
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Speaker 4: state stuff, which is kind of more significant, and obviously

982
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Speaker 4: they blend together in some.

983
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 16: Ways, it's really more of the fifty first state stuff,

984
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Speaker 16: the annexation stuff that, like the trade war is an issue,

985
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 16: but I don't think people are really necessarily feeling it

986
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Speaker 16: right now.

987
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 6: Essentially.

988
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 16: I mean, you know, there's been so much back and

989
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 16: forth on the tariff that it's hard to even know

990
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 16: where things currently stand with that, but it's the threats

991
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 16: for sure that where it was just like, you know,

992
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 16: even people that didn't already or didn't like Trump already

993
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 16: were sort of surprised, myself included, like, there wasn't a

994
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 16: whole lot of talk of Canada in the US election

995
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 16: that prior to Trump whitting and all of a sudden,

996
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Speaker 16: you know, there was I think there was a comment

997
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 16: or two about potential tariffs, but there wasn't much about

998
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 16: you know, fifty first state Governor Trudeau any of this stuff.

999
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 16: So that I think really led to this sort of

1000
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 16: defense mechanism in Canadians where there's all this national pride

1001
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 16: that we didn't know we had before that has come

1002
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 16: out and we're sort of banding together and deciding that no,

1003
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 16: we don't want this and we want somebody in power

1004
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 16: who's going to be stable. You know, Pierre Poliev the

1005
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 16: leader of the Conservative Party. For the past two years,

1006
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Speaker 16: as he's been leader, he's been running essentially against Trudeau,

1007
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 16: and once Trudeau left, he was sort of left scrambling

1008
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 16: to try to apply his prior arguments against Mark Karney,

1009
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 16: who's a completely different person, isn't even currently an MP,

1010
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 16: and it's hard to make the same arguments against him

1011
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 16: when they when Trudeau and Carney are different leaders. So

1012
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 16: Pierre Pouliev's inability to really find a coherent message, in

1013
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 16: addition to the fact that he has like he is,

1014
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 16: you know, far right in terms of Canada, has been

1015
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 16: endorsed by people like Elon Musk. So when you have

1016
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 16: those sorts of connections to a Trump administration that is

1017
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,720
Speaker 16: so deeply disliked, it hasn't helped this case.

1018
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure you get the Elon Musk endorsement. At

1019
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 2: this point, you're like, thanks, Mark. To that point, I

1020
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 2: pulled a Carney ad and I pulled a Poliev ad.

1021
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and start with the Poliev ad. What

1022
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 2: was no about this is that he actually doesn't appear

1023
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 2: in it. So I want to get your reaction to

1024
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 2: that and the way that he has had to quickly

1025
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 2: scramble and reorient himself in his campaign. This is f

1026
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 2: three guys, Go ahead and play it.

1027
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 13: How's your son, David, Well.

1028
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 11: It's been a tough few years for him.

1029
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 10: It just can't seem to get ahead.

1030
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 13: Yeah, we had to pay for Sarah's down payment last year.

1031
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 13: Things are tough for her too.

1032
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 5: You know what Mark Karney says.

1033
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,439
Speaker 13: Come on, do you already think that a fourth Liberal

1034
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 13: term is going to change anything?

1035
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 9: You know, I've been thinking the same thing.

1036
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 13: Are we really going to give these clowns a fourth term?

1037
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 13: I'm voting at servative.

1038
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 9: There you go, Yeah, for a.

1039
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 3: Change your reaction to that particular ad.

1040
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 16: They have purposely taken Pierre Polyev out of their ads.

1041
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 16: So this is you know, not often explored, but even

1042
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 16: while Trudeau was unpopular, even while the Liberals really really unpopular,

1043
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 16: if you look at Pier Polyev's actual numbers, just the

1044
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 16: approval of him and power people, how people felt about him,

1045
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 16: they were not he was not doing well. He was

1046
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 16: still underwater. So the the the Liberal the lack of

1047
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,479
Speaker 16: Liberal support before Karne came in was largely really due

1048
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 16: to the combination of the affordability crisis and people being

1049
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,720
Speaker 16: tired of Trudeau. It wasn't because people loved Peer Polyev.

1050
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 16: So when that became even more clear during this election, uh,

1051
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 16: you know, essential the last week, last couple weeks of

1052
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 16: the election, the Conservatives have put out three new ads,

1053
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 16: all of them not featuring Peer Polyev either his face

1054
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 16: or his voice. So that's the one ad you saw

1055
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 16: there with the golfing. Another one is former Prime Minister

1056
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 16: Stephen Harper, you know, saying I worked with both Karne

1057
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 16: and Pierre Polyev, and I support Pierre Poulyev, which of

1058
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 16: course he is. He's the former prime minister as a Conservative,

1059
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 16: so like that. And then another one's you know, a

1060
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 16: few people discussing how how how terrible things are, but

1061
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 16: Peer Polyev was so unliked that they had to completely

1062
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Speaker 16: remove him from their advertising. And it's just like, it

1063
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Speaker 16: goes to how how inauthentic Peer Polyev is. This is

1064
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 16: an other element that people often you know, aren't attuned to,

1065
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 16: is just the fact that Mark Carney is oddly authentic

1066
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 16: even you know, he's former governor of the Bank of Canada.

1067
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 16: He's a central banker, but he's authentic to that. He's

1068
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 16: not pretending to be anybody else. He's running as.

1069
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 3: Like technocratic liberal, yes banker.

1070
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 16: He's running as a guy that led Canada through the

1071
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 16: o White financial crisis and then went to the UK

1072
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 16: to help the UK through breaks it. He's running as

1073
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 16: that guy. Whereas Peer Polyev has a twenty year record

1074
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 16: in parliament. He's been a parliament for twenty years, twenty

1075
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,720
Speaker 16: year record of fighting against the working class, fighting against labor,

1076
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 16: and now he's coming out to pretend that he cares

1077
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 16: about the working class and he's going to make life

1078
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 16: more affordable, Like where were you.

1079
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 6: The past twenty years?

1080
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Speaker 16: It comes off as so fake that people, even if

1081
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 16: they don't realize what peer Polypf's record is, you can

1082
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 16: feel it in his speeches and the way he comes

1083
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 16: up that he's not an authentic individual, whereas Mark Karney

1084
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Speaker 16: is who he.

1085
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 2: Is, does Gulf code different in Canada, Like I can't

1086
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 2: imagine who's trying to like position themselves this pro working

1087
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 2: class being like you know where I need to go

1088
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 2: the driving room.

1089
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Speaker 5: Semp who love golf, wouldn't put that in his head.

1090
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it is odd like that.

1091
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 16: I think that message there is they're they're afraid of

1092
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 16: losing the older vote, which they are. Like what's kind

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Speaker 16: of been surprising with the election is if you look

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Speaker 16: at the breakdown by age sixty five plus is well

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Speaker 16: in support of the Liberals, like it's not even really close,

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Speaker 16: whereas it's really under thirty five that has that where

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Speaker 16: the Conservatives have a slight edge. And again that's really

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Speaker 16: I think due to last ten years of affordability and

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Speaker 16: millennials and gen Z really being hit by that and

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Speaker 16: not really knowing where to put the blame there, But

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Speaker 16: everybody over thirty five big support for the Liberals. So

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Speaker 16: the attempt there, I think was really to connect to

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Speaker 16: older voters who have kids who are struggling and people

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Speaker 16: that you know can relate to that and think that yeah,

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Speaker 16: we need change, but like good change or what sort

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Speaker 16: of change will be talking about here, becausef we're looking

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Speaker 16: at actual platforms. Mark Carney has the I would argue,

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Speaker 16: the best housing platform out of all of the parties,

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Speaker 16: even to the NDP, which you know are have no

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Speaker 16: chance at all of forming government. But Mark Karney has

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Speaker 16: has a plan to make or build five hundred thousand

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Speaker 16: homes per year, essentially start a Crown Corp to overlook

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Speaker 16: all of the the building of the housing, and and

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Speaker 16: doing it in a way where he is focusing on

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Speaker 16: both affordability and prefab housing to essentially be able to

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Speaker 16: build houses at a faster rate, also focusing on you know,

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Speaker 16: Canadian lumber and Canadian jobs. So there has been a

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Speaker 16: real focus on investment from the Liberals, which I think

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Speaker 16: benefits them in terms of the NDP vote. As the

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Speaker 16: NDP the floor has completely dropped out of the NDP

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Speaker 16: and a lot of those voters have moved to the Liberals,

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Speaker 16: seeing as both a rejection of the Conservatives but also

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Speaker 16: a you know, supporting what Mark Karney is arguing. In

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Speaker 16: addition to the fact that I think Mark Carney comes

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Speaker 16: up as somebody who is a stable leader as opposed

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Speaker 16: to you know here.

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Speaker 4: And it's an interesting point because if a central banker

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Speaker 4: told me that he's got a plan to build five

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Speaker 4: hundred thousand no houses a year, and here he's going

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Speaker 4: to do it.

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Speaker 5: Here's the labor supply, here's the wood supply.

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Speaker 4: And here he's sketched out of be like, okay, actually,

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Speaker 4: you know, I trust you could actually probably pull that off.

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Speaker 5: This is you're not trying.

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Speaker 4: To like do something like that that out of the ordinary.

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Speaker 4: Here it's like building houses, and you should be able

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Speaker 4: to do it. On the authenticity point, the funniest thing

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Speaker 4: I think I saw in this race was Pierre Poliev

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Speaker 4: getting out and having a press conference right after Trump

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Speaker 4: started going after us a I d he Ald.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if you remember this.

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Speaker 4: He held a press Conference saying that he was going

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Speaker 4: to end all of Canada's foreign aid. It's like, come on, you,

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Speaker 4: Like the US is barely doing anything when it comes

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Speaker 4: to foreign aid relative to our spending.

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Speaker 5: Canada stop and now it's half.

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Speaker 16: I guess he's cut that to now we're going to

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Speaker 16: cut half of US or half of aid, which is like, again,

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Speaker 16: there's so many cues from Republicans that Peer Polyeff has

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Speaker 16: taken that you know, have added up to the point

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Speaker 16: where it doesn't it hasn't benefited him. Like if nothing

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Speaker 16: had changed in terms of the in terms of the

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Speaker 16: liberal leadership and Trudeau was still running, I think it's

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Speaker 16: very likely you'd be looking at still a conservative majority,

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Speaker 16: maybe at worst a conservative minority. But you have a

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Speaker 16: like a situation where Peer pauliev has has spent years

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Speaker 16: aligning himself to MAGA and now you know, the chickens

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Speaker 16: are coming home to roost, and you have a situation

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Speaker 16: where people really do not want Trump style politics in

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Speaker 16: Canada and he is the face of it. So it's

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Speaker 16: it's not worked out well for him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have to think at this point, with

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Speaker 2: the trade war being so important too, the fact that

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Speaker 2: he's a central banker, and you know, has some deep

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Speaker 2: understanding of the bond markets and their impact is affirmative

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Speaker 2: benefit for him as well. But I mean, how do

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Speaker 2: you handicap the race? D I saw the polls have

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Speaker 2: titaned some coming down the stretch, you know, giving Conservatives

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Speaker 2: some hope that they may be able to prevail. How

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Speaker 2: what do you think is going to play on or

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Speaker 2: what are the odds of what's going to play on?

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Speaker 16: Based on everything I'm reading, it's it's really appearing to

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Speaker 16: be a liberal majority at worst a liberal minority. And

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Speaker 16: it's important to note that even if the Conservatives had

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Speaker 16: a slight lead in the overall vote in polling, they

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Speaker 16: still likely would not be able to win a minority

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Speaker 16: government just the way that the seats play out and

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Speaker 16: how the Conservative vote tends to be concentrated. So the

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Speaker 16: consent would really need, you know, several point advantage in

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Speaker 16: polls to be able to be in a situation where

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Speaker 16: they're going to form government, and they're just not anywhere

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Speaker 16: near that right now. Now, of course, we've seen polling

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Speaker 16: be a little off in the past, but Canadian polling

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Speaker 16: tends to be fairly accurate, so I'm really it'll be

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Speaker 16: curious to see how it holds up this time. As

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Speaker 16: you know, you could argue maybe there's sort of this

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Speaker 16: hidden conservative vote that we've seen in the US, and

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Speaker 16: maybe that's going to come out, you know, this time

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Speaker 16: in Canada.

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Speaker 6: But the way things look right now.

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Speaker 16: It's liberals should be pretty confident that they're going to

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Speaker 16: be able to form government.

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Speaker 4: Let's finish with a Mark Carneiyad to see, you know,

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Speaker 4: kind of what his message is.

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Speaker 5: Let's roll that here.

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Speaker 17: No people are anxious right now. President Trump has created

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Speaker 17: a crisis.

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Speaker 1: He news from walls, pressures, react to the sweeping tariffs.

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Speaker 17: Well, I've led people through crises my entire career. I've

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Speaker 17: worked with prime minister from both parties to solve big

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Speaker 17: problems for Canadians, and right now we're facing the biggest

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Speaker 17: crisis of our lifetimes and we need serious leadership and

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Speaker 17: a real plan.

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Speaker 4: Is that pretty representative of what his approach has been

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Speaker 4: throughout this short campaign.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, stability leadership.

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Speaker 16: And he's been benefited as well by you know, people

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Speaker 16: like Premier Doug Ford in Ontario, who is a is

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Speaker 16: a conservative, I mean he's head of the Progressive Conservatives.

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Speaker 16: I know that's a confusing term for Americans to hear.

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Speaker 16: But he is a conservve and you know Calvis scandals.

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Speaker 16: I've done many videos about how terrible Doug Ford is.

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Speaker 16: But he's somebody who is able to read the room. Yeah,

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Speaker 16: and has been very forward and being very you know

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Speaker 16: against Trump. It's been on all you know, US networks

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Speaker 16: discussed here. Yeah, yeah, his approach. So he's not endorsed Polyev.

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Speaker 16: He's kind of stayed out of the race. He's he's

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Speaker 16: somebody who you know, Him and Polyp don't really have

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Speaker 16: much of a relationship. So the fact that Ontario is

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Speaker 16: so important in the election and he doesn't have the

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Speaker 16: support of Doug Ford in any capacity, I think has

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Speaker 16: hurt him as well.

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Speaker 3: Interesting.

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