WEBVTT - #58 Harry 0:00:15.210 --> 0:00:15.690 Pushkin. 0:00:25.410 --> 0:00:26.250 Hey, how are you? 0:00:26.930 --> 0:00:28.250 I'm okay? How are you? 0:00:28.370 --> 0:00:29.810 I I'm okay, I'm okay. 0:00:29.690 --> 0:00:32.170 I find you one of our room money. 0:00:32.409 --> 0:00:33.409 So you heard the news? 0:00:33.489 --> 0:00:33.809 Did you? 0:00:33.970 --> 0:00:35.850 Did you read the tweet that I sent you? 0:00:35.890 --> 0:00:36.010 No? 0:00:36.129 --> 0:00:36.770 Actually I haven't. 0:00:36.769 --> 0:00:39.530 I've been working all day and I haven't had a 0:00:39.610 --> 0:00:40.490 chance to bet. 0:00:40.570 --> 0:00:42.970 I can I read you the tweet from the Heavyweight 0:00:42.970 --> 0:00:47.089 account that we put out. Yeah, okay, it's a Heavyweight 0:00:47.129 --> 0:00:50.849 as it exists under Spotify will be ending after this season. 0:00:51.370 --> 0:00:53.730 We're so proud of everything we've made and we're hoping 0:00:53.770 --> 0:00:56.450 the show finds a new home in the future. Till then, 0:00:56.610 --> 0:01:00.410 stay tuned, stay subscribed, and thank you all so much 0:01:00.450 --> 0:01:04.410 for your love and support. Oh no, things are going 0:01:04.450 --> 0:01:07.369 to be okay. You know what, because it's it's it's 0:01:07.410 --> 0:01:11.490 show business. You know that song from Bugs Bunny Overtures, 0:01:11.730 --> 0:01:14.850 Turn the Lights, you know that song? This is it 0:01:14.970 --> 0:01:19.170 the night of Nights. No more rehoising and nicing up parts. 0:01:19.290 --> 0:01:23.490 We know every part by heart. It's about going on 0:01:23.530 --> 0:01:24.010 with the show. 0:01:24.690 --> 0:01:26.130 How are you going to go on with the show. 0:01:26.530 --> 0:01:28.290 We're going to try to find a new place for it. 0:01:28.650 --> 0:01:33.210 You know, we have an obligation to our listeners. Why 0:01:33.250 --> 0:01:35.290 does that make you laugh? I have an obligation to 0:01:35.330 --> 0:01:40.530 my listeners. Wait, let's let's just sit here together and 0:01:40.570 --> 0:01:47.330 think about all the laughter through the years. 0:02:05.690 --> 0:02:09.410 You're can I hang up? 0:02:10.290 --> 0:02:11.169 Can I hang up now? 0:02:12.850 --> 0:02:13.290 Okay? 0:02:13.410 --> 0:02:16.610 And you know what I'm gonna be okay, and you 0:02:16.609 --> 0:02:18.330 know you're gonna be okay. We're going to keep on 0:02:18.410 --> 0:02:19.889 doing this. I wanted to go to it. 0:02:20.010 --> 0:02:22.130 This is my this is my I'm signing off. 0:02:22.410 --> 0:02:25.650 I don't think you are. I don't believe it. I 0:02:25.650 --> 0:02:28.690 think you love doing this, am I right? Just admit 0:02:28.770 --> 0:02:30.650 it and I'll let you go. 0:02:30.650 --> 0:02:31.050 Goodbye? 0:02:31.250 --> 0:02:36.410 Hey, Jackie, Jackie, Jackie, thank you for these past eight years. 0:02:37.130 --> 0:02:39.530 Oh sure, off milking it. 0:02:46.490 --> 0:02:55.970 I'm Jonathan Goldstein and this is Heavyweight Today's episode, Harry. 0:03:00.370 --> 0:03:10.250 Right after the break, our story begins with two people, 0:03:10.890 --> 0:03:15.170 Ted and Todd or is it Todd and Ted in 0:03:15.250 --> 0:03:18.890 the plaid shirt. You are Ted, Yes, and you're Todd. 0:03:18.970 --> 0:03:21.970 That's great, okay, Hi, nice to meet you. Both Ted 0:03:22.010 --> 0:03:25.570 and Todd are identical twins, but not the Mary Kate 0:03:25.690 --> 0:03:29.930 Nashley cutie pitituiti type. They're more the slappy, happy, punchy, 0:03:29.970 --> 0:03:30.890 grumpy type. 0:03:31.170 --> 0:03:32.450 If you hit me, one more time. 0:03:32.770 --> 0:03:35.890 Case in point. That was the sound of Ted reacting 0:03:35.930 --> 0:03:39.890 to Todd, who, for no apparent reason, just whacked his 0:03:39.970 --> 0:03:42.410 brother in the arm. Is that a part of the 0:03:42.410 --> 0:03:44.490 way that you guys communicate? 0:03:44.730 --> 0:03:45.890 Yeah, uh huh. 0:03:45.930 --> 0:03:48.210 But if I'm not here, I mean, you don't punch 0:03:48.250 --> 0:03:48.610 each other? 0:03:48.690 --> 0:03:53.570 Right? Not anymore? No, not anymore? No. 0:03:56.930 --> 0:03:59.490 Ted and Todd are in their sixties. They both have 0:03:59.690 --> 0:04:03.130 long white hair and the stoic, deadpan affect of hitmen 0:04:03.370 --> 0:04:07.170 in a Cormac McCarthy novel. They grew up in South Dakota, 0:04:07.370 --> 0:04:11.330 surrounded by literal cowboys. Before the interview, they asked if 0:04:11.370 --> 0:04:15.410 there'd be cigarette breaks. They both smoke Pall Mall's, drink 0:04:15.490 --> 0:04:19.650 Keystone Lights, and they both work as contractors. They tell 0:04:19.690 --> 0:04:22.210 me they can't go into a home depot together without 0:04:22.250 --> 0:04:26.730 being asked the same asinine question, are you guys twins? 0:04:27.729 --> 0:04:36.049 In response, Ted and Todd stare back blankly. But the 0:04:36.089 --> 0:04:38.929 story Ted and Todd are here to tell isn't actually 0:04:38.929 --> 0:04:43.650 about their twinship. It's about their younger brother, Scott, who 0:04:43.690 --> 0:04:46.410 died in two thousand. Do you want to start off 0:04:46.450 --> 0:04:50.529 by maybe talking to me a little bit about Scott? 0:04:51.650 --> 0:04:57.489 Well, just here's a little brother, and that's about it. 0:04:58.650 --> 0:05:01.609 To spare you twenty odd minutes of coaxing and cajoling, 0:05:01.929 --> 0:05:03.890 I'll fast forward a bit to let you know that 0:05:03.969 --> 0:05:06.770 Scott was a year younger than Ted and Todd. He 0:05:06.890 --> 0:05:09.250 was the baby of the family and they often ended 0:05:09.369 --> 0:05:12.449 up taking care of him as older brothers. Ted and 0:05:12.450 --> 0:05:15.650 Todd were measured and steady. Scott, on the other hand, 0:05:15.890 --> 0:05:17.370 was fun and colorful. 0:05:17.770 --> 0:05:20.609 Oh yeah, yeah, real bright personality. I mean he was 0:05:20.650 --> 0:05:23.130 just definitely his own individual for sure. Yeah, he got 0:05:23.130 --> 0:05:23.969 all the personality. 0:05:24.690 --> 0:05:28.489 In school, Scott attracted attention, and not all of it good. 0:05:29.210 --> 0:05:33.010 This because, in addition to his big personality, Scott was gay. 0:05:33.810 --> 0:05:36.370 From a pretty young age, he was a target for bullying. 0:05:36.810 --> 0:05:38.849 But Ted and Todd always kept an eye out. 0:05:39.250 --> 0:05:41.450 You couldn't go after our little brother because then you're 0:05:41.450 --> 0:05:44.010 gonna have to deal with that both of us. So 0:05:44.330 --> 0:05:47.490 one offense you're going to have three events. It's not 0:05:47.529 --> 0:05:50.369 because we liked it. We were protecting our family. 0:05:51.409 --> 0:05:54.089 In spite of the haters, Scott remained a force to 0:05:54.130 --> 0:05:57.930 be reckoned with As a teenager. He once got into 0:05:57.929 --> 0:06:00.650 their dad's Lincoln Continental in the middle of the night 0:06:00.929 --> 0:06:04.289 and drove it almost one thousand miles across state lines 0:06:04.690 --> 0:06:05.370 at fifteen. 0:06:05.489 --> 0:06:09.369 I mean that tells you how independent that he really was. Yeahad. 0:06:10.169 --> 0:06:13.250 While Ted and Todd got married and settled down, Scott 0:06:13.289 --> 0:06:17.289 maintained his impish spontaneity, doing things like buying Ted and 0:06:17.330 --> 0:06:21.049 Todd's kids the candy they weren't allowed, or once, having 0:06:21.089 --> 0:06:23.409 promised his seven year old nephew a trip to the 0:06:23.450 --> 0:06:26.930 circus and then breaking his leg, made sure they could 0:06:26.969 --> 0:06:30.409 still go by teaching his nephew how to pump the clutch. 0:06:34.609 --> 0:06:37.729 Scott led a nomadic life. Every so often, Ted and 0:06:37.770 --> 0:06:41.130 Todd would get a phone call. Scott was in Roanoke, Virginia, 0:06:41.289 --> 0:06:45.289 living with friends. Scott was in Nebraska going to mortician school. 0:06:45.810 --> 0:06:48.969 Scott had crashed his car in the desert outside of Phoenix. 0:06:49.929 --> 0:06:52.129 But no matter where he went, and no matter how 0:06:52.169 --> 0:06:55.130 old he got, if Scott was in trouble, Ted and 0:06:55.169 --> 0:06:58.729 Todd's phones would ring. So one day in the fall 0:06:58.770 --> 0:07:01.489 of nineteen eighty six, when Todd received a call from 0:07:01.529 --> 0:07:04.729 Scott at three am, he wasn't all that surprised. 0:07:05.409 --> 0:07:07.489 He wanted me to come down and get him now, 0:07:07.609 --> 0:07:08.810 which was not unusual. 0:07:09.610 --> 0:07:12.889 Scott told Todd. He was in the hospital. When Todd 0:07:12.929 --> 0:07:15.650 got there, he was directed to a special ward. 0:07:16.130 --> 0:07:19.730 And pretty obvious something was wrong. And I walked in 0:07:19.850 --> 0:07:22.249 and there must have been six other beds in there. 0:07:22.489 --> 0:07:26.770 Probably he was the youngest, and at that point he 0:07:26.770 --> 0:07:32.410 would have been in his early twenties, and everybody had 0:07:32.489 --> 0:07:36.210 gowns and masks and gloves and shields, and I mean, 0:07:36.250 --> 0:07:40.050 it was really bizarre, what is happening? And they said 0:07:40.090 --> 0:07:44.090 you weren't aware your brother's diagnosis. And then that's when 0:07:44.130 --> 0:07:45.890 they said, your brother has AIDS. 0:07:47.170 --> 0:07:49.730 Scott wanted to get out of the hospital as quickly 0:07:49.770 --> 0:07:52.369 as possible, so Todd just put him in the car 0:07:52.610 --> 0:07:56.010 and drove him home. Never did they talk about AIDS 0:07:56.130 --> 0:07:58.770 or what it meant. They didn't talk much at all. 0:07:59.810 --> 0:08:02.090 Ted and Todd would call to check on Scott as 0:08:02.130 --> 0:08:04.730 often as they could. They'd ask if he was going 0:08:04.770 --> 0:08:08.050 to the doctor taking his meds? Are you taking care 0:08:08.090 --> 0:08:11.730 of it? They'd say, yeah, he'd say, And for the 0:08:11.770 --> 0:08:15.290 next few years, this is how it went until the 0:08:15.369 --> 0:08:23.770 day Harry arrived. Todd was on the phone checking in 0:08:23.810 --> 0:08:27.449 on Scott like usual. When he first heard her voice, this. 0:08:27.530 --> 0:08:30.369 Say in the background, It's like what is that. 0:08:30.369 --> 0:08:35.730 That was Harriet aka Harry, a red and green parrot, 0:08:36.210 --> 0:08:39.970 a three foot long macau to be exact. Ted and Todd, 0:08:39.970 --> 0:08:44.170 of course had questions, questions like what the hell are 0:08:44.170 --> 0:08:52.170 you thinking? Scott had always loved unusual pets as a kid, 0:08:52.210 --> 0:08:54.690 He kept a squirrel in the house and even a bat, 0:08:55.290 --> 0:08:58.890 But there was something particularly worrying about adopting a parrot. 0:08:59.570 --> 0:09:00.530 It's longevity. 0:09:01.170 --> 0:09:02.610 You have this disease. 0:09:03.610 --> 0:09:05.370 We don't know how long you're going to live, and 0:09:05.370 --> 0:09:07.250 you buy an analyst is going to last eighty five 0:09:07.250 --> 0:09:08.450 to one hundred years. 0:09:09.090 --> 0:09:11.930 Even for a healthy adult, such a purchase would mean 0:09:11.970 --> 0:09:15.850 a commitment that lasts into old age. In Scott's case, 0:09:16.090 --> 0:09:17.610 it felt like an act of denial. 0:09:18.290 --> 0:09:20.010 What Scott did was what Scott always does. 0:09:20.090 --> 0:09:21.690 Just I'm gonna do what i'm gonna do, and I 0:09:21.810 --> 0:09:23.090 like it and I want it, and that's how it's 0:09:23.090 --> 0:09:24.929 going to be, and it's gonna be fine. 0:09:25.090 --> 0:09:28.330 And so Harry was suddenly a fact of their family's life. 0:09:28.970 --> 0:09:33.010 Wherever Scott went, there was Harry, and in time she 0:09:33.130 --> 0:09:36.330 won Ted and Todd over with her rowdy antics and 0:09:36.450 --> 0:09:38.170 foul mouth turns of phrase. 0:09:38.730 --> 0:09:41.010 You son of a bit, Scott come here, you know 0:09:41.690 --> 0:09:42.410 what's for dinner. 0:09:43.370 --> 0:09:46.090 Ted and Todd had five kids between them, all of 0:09:46.130 --> 0:09:49.770 whom adored their cool uncle and his crazy bird. They 0:09:49.770 --> 0:09:53.290 would take road trips together. Harry glued to Scott's shoulder. 0:09:53.930 --> 0:09:55.890 When they went to get dinner and left Harry in 0:09:55.890 --> 0:09:59.890 the hotel room, she'd scream, Scott, you fuck her. Annoyed 0:09:59.970 --> 0:10:03.050 to be left out of the fun. Harry was loyal 0:10:03.130 --> 0:10:06.450 to Scott and protective too. She'd nibble at the shunt 0:10:06.490 --> 0:10:09.690 in Scott's chest like it was a splinter that needed removal. 0:10:13.770 --> 0:10:16.650 As time went on, it became increasingly clear that Scott's 0:10:16.690 --> 0:10:20.290 diagnosis was taking a toll. One day, when Ted and 0:10:20.330 --> 0:10:22.850 Todd called to check in, something felt off. 0:10:23.370 --> 0:10:26.010 He just devoided personality, just like, wait, whoa, whoa, I 0:10:26.050 --> 0:10:28.490 want to talk to you. He goes, I'm just I'm 0:10:28.490 --> 0:10:29.410 not feeling Todd. 0:10:29.850 --> 0:10:31.650 And the last time I talked to him, he just said, 0:10:31.690 --> 0:10:33.650 I said, what's going on with you? And he said 0:10:33.930 --> 0:10:35.370 I'm done. 0:10:36.010 --> 0:10:39.970 A few days later, Scott died. He was thirty eight 0:10:40.050 --> 0:10:54.890 years old. Ted and Todd rushed out to California. Their mom, 0:10:54.930 --> 0:10:58.010 who'd been living with Scott, was devastated. 0:10:57.890 --> 0:11:00.690 Because obviously she lost her son and her babe, her 0:11:00.770 --> 0:11:04.450 youngest at that and then you've got Harry that was 0:11:04.650 --> 0:11:08.530 making my little brother's voice and you know, would call 0:11:08.650 --> 0:11:10.210 mom mom. 0:11:10.890 --> 0:11:14.610 Harry grew unmoored, getting aggressive with their mother and anyone 0:11:14.610 --> 0:11:17.730 else who tried to handle her. The only people who 0:11:17.770 --> 0:11:20.530 she'd let touch her, the only ones she felt safe with, 0:11:20.890 --> 0:11:25.570 were the ones who most resembled Scott, that is, Scott's brothers. 0:11:25.810 --> 0:11:27.050 She was fine with Ted and I. 0:11:27.250 --> 0:11:29.850 When we would get there, she would just cock her 0:11:29.850 --> 0:11:32.050 head and look as she say Scott. 0:11:33.010 --> 0:11:35.810 In those moments, it felt like Ted, Todd, and Harry 0:11:35.970 --> 0:11:40.330 all shared some understanding. That word Scott was like a 0:11:40.370 --> 0:11:44.930 secret handshake. Before his death, Scott told Ted and Todd 0:11:45.050 --> 0:11:48.050 he wanted to leave Harry to Todd's eldest son, who 0:11:48.090 --> 0:11:50.930 was in junior high at the time, but Todd knew 0:11:51.050 --> 0:11:53.290 that keeping her just wasn't realistic. 0:11:54.010 --> 0:11:56.010 I had to tell my son, no, it just it 0:11:56.010 --> 0:11:58.010 wouldn't be fair to Harry, It wouldn't be fair to you, 0:11:58.250 --> 0:12:02.090 because tonam a caw. I don't think people fully understand. 0:12:02.930 --> 0:12:06.010 I mean, they get angry, they can be destructive. You know, 0:12:06.050 --> 0:12:07.930 if you ever see their claws or their beak. You 0:12:07.930 --> 0:12:10.970 don't want any party business. End of those that she 0:12:11.090 --> 0:12:14.290 was chewing into the ceiling, into the attic. I mean, 0:12:14.330 --> 0:12:15.290 they're a wild animal. 0:12:16.290 --> 0:12:19.770 And so they approached Harry's longtime glomer for help finding 0:12:19.770 --> 0:12:22.570 her a home. She offered to bring Harry to a 0:12:22.610 --> 0:12:26.570 nearby bird sanctuary or was it a pet store? Ted 0:12:26.610 --> 0:12:29.610 and Todd were so overwhelmed by Scott's death that they 0:12:29.610 --> 0:12:33.490 can't quite remember which they do remember though, the day 0:12:33.530 --> 0:12:37.290 of her departure, how their kids watched in tears as Harry, 0:12:37.530 --> 0:12:41.770 their beloved uncle's beloved pet, was taken away. Do you 0:12:41.810 --> 0:12:45.370 remember how Harry seemed to understand what was happening, How 0:12:45.370 --> 0:12:46.490 she howled. 0:12:46.730 --> 0:12:50.330 Her wings were everywhere, and she was and she was 0:12:50.450 --> 0:12:54.490 yelling at us. It was just it was panemonium. It 0:12:54.570 --> 0:12:55.170 was heartbreaking. 0:12:55.250 --> 0:12:55.770 Yeah, it was. 0:12:55.730 --> 0:12:59.650 Tough at this point. Ted and Todd haven't seen Harry 0:12:59.690 --> 0:13:02.970 in over twenty years. But they do know one thing. 0:13:03.610 --> 0:13:05.170 This bird could still be out there. 0:13:08.890 --> 0:13:11.090 And so Ted and Todd have come to me with 0:13:11.170 --> 0:13:14.810 these questions, is she still out there? And if so, 0:13:15.410 --> 0:13:17.690 did they do the right thing in giving her up? 0:13:18.770 --> 0:13:21.850 Why do you think you're you're looking for for Harry? 0:13:21.890 --> 0:13:24.250 Now, we always took care of our little brother, and 0:13:24.250 --> 0:13:25.650 that's the one thing we didn't take care of. 0:13:26.570 --> 0:13:28.850 Ted and Todd had taken care of their brothers since 0:13:28.850 --> 0:13:32.810 they were children. Making sure Harry was provided for was 0:13:32.850 --> 0:13:35.730 the last things got needed from them and it's the 0:13:35.770 --> 0:13:40.410 only thing they couldn't do. Ted, do you feel guilt? 0:13:41.210 --> 0:13:41.770 How about it? 0:13:42.570 --> 0:13:45.090 Yeah? 0:13:45.410 --> 0:13:45.690 Okay? 0:13:45.770 --> 0:13:50.530 Can you say more about that? No, it's difficult to 0:13:50.530 --> 0:13:57.930 talk about Yeah it is, yeah, okay, So knowing that, 0:13:59.170 --> 0:14:01.929 knowing that Harry was okay, what would that What would 0:14:01.930 --> 0:14:03.010 that bring to you? 0:14:04.410 --> 0:14:07.449 We'd just be happy to know she's fine. And emotionally, 0:14:09.410 --> 0:14:10.330 I don't really deal with that. 0:14:12.450 --> 0:14:14.130 There's a part of them that doesn't want to talk 0:14:14.170 --> 0:14:14.850 about it at all. 0:14:15.610 --> 0:14:18.970 This is Hannah, Ted's daughter in law. Because Ted and 0:14:18.970 --> 0:14:21.650 Todd are such a closed book, she's offered to help 0:14:21.690 --> 0:14:25.410 translate them for me. Hannah tells me that through Harry, 0:14:25.770 --> 0:14:28.850 Ted and Todd can broach a subject they wouldn't otherwise 0:14:28.930 --> 0:14:31.970 know how to approach, and doing that might allow them 0:14:32.010 --> 0:14:33.090 to forgive themselves. 0:14:33.730 --> 0:14:35.810 So it's almost like they can talk about Harry in 0:14:35.850 --> 0:14:37.650 a way that's easier than talking about Scott. 0:14:37.890 --> 0:14:40.450 It's kind of like a surrogate. I think there's just 0:14:40.490 --> 0:14:42.570 a lot of pain in the death of their brother. 0:14:43.410 --> 0:14:45.930 Like, what I heard from Chase is that the one 0:14:45.970 --> 0:14:48.210 time that they've seen their dad's craze when their brother died. 0:14:49.010 --> 0:14:52.850 Yeah, this is Chase, Ted's son and Hannah's husband. 0:14:53.490 --> 0:14:55.250 They had no control over it. 0:14:55.530 --> 0:14:57.930 I'm sure they couldn't make him take his mediciner, do 0:14:58.010 --> 0:14:59.450 the thing he was supposed to do as far as 0:14:59.450 --> 0:15:03.250 getting rest or going to the doctors, and like they 0:15:03.250 --> 0:15:04.890 couldn't go beat up aids. 0:15:05.570 --> 0:15:09.610 When it came to their brother's death. Actions finally failed them. 0:15:09.770 --> 0:15:12.690 In actions, Hannah and Chase say, are the language Ted 0:15:12.730 --> 0:15:16.290 and Todd have for showing how they feel. Hannah says 0:15:16.290 --> 0:15:18.330 she can always tell when Ted and Todd have stopped 0:15:18.330 --> 0:15:21.450 by because some drywall will be sanded down, or she'll 0:15:21.490 --> 0:15:22.730 notice a fresh coat of paint. 0:15:23.170 --> 0:15:25.970 They also always unplug my toaster because they don't want 0:15:26.010 --> 0:15:26.530 to catch fire. 0:15:26.810 --> 0:15:27.970 Oh, I can always tell them. 0:15:27.850 --> 0:15:31.330 They've been here because the toasters, they're always sort of 0:15:31.330 --> 0:15:33.770 taking care of you. You just choked to your house 0:15:33.770 --> 0:15:36.090 and realize, oh, they've been here, and they's like taking care. 0:15:35.930 --> 0:15:36.850 Of some stuff. 0:15:37.970 --> 0:15:38.770 Cowboy style. 0:15:39.130 --> 0:15:40.930 Yeah, cowboy style, that's exactly it. 0:15:44.730 --> 0:15:47.610 Hannah and Chase worry though that in cowboy style too, 0:15:48.130 --> 0:15:49.370 they suffer in silence. 0:15:49.930 --> 0:15:54.370 Because I love them. I hope for them that if 0:15:54.410 --> 0:15:57.330 we found Harry it could they could heal more from 0:15:57.490 --> 0:15:58.210 Scott's death. 0:15:59.010 --> 0:15:59.530 Yeah. 0:16:00.010 --> 0:16:01.410 I think it would just be nice to know that 0:16:01.450 --> 0:16:02.130 she's doing. 0:16:01.930 --> 0:16:06.650 Good, like she's like with people who'd let her cuss 0:16:06.690 --> 0:16:08.290 and do whatever she wants. 0:16:08.370 --> 0:16:09.330 Kind of like an outlaw. 0:16:09.570 --> 0:16:12.530 Yeah, live in the life. 0:16:12.650 --> 0:16:13.850 Yeah, that's exactly it. 0:16:17.650 --> 0:16:20.330 All right, Well, I'm going to do my best here. 0:16:21.090 --> 0:16:31.810 I'm going to try to find Harry. That would be good, Okay. 0:16:45.930 --> 0:16:49.050 Armed with an old photograph of Harry, I set out 0:16:49.130 --> 0:16:52.890 on my search. Since Ted and Todd don't quite remember 0:16:53.010 --> 0:16:56.410 exactly where they surrendered Harry, I begin my quest to 0:16:56.490 --> 0:17:03.370 find this bird of Paradise by phoning. Birds in Paradise 0:17:03.530 --> 0:17:06.330 is a pet store in southern California, not far from 0:17:06.369 --> 0:17:10.129 where Scott lived. The owner, Lorie, has had the store 0:17:10.170 --> 0:17:12.929 for decades and is an active member of the Southern 0:17:12.970 --> 0:17:17.169 California parrot community. If anyone would know how to find Harry, 0:17:17.490 --> 0:17:20.370 it seems like it would be Lori, So I explained 0:17:20.409 --> 0:17:23.330 to her the project to find a bright red toddler 0:17:23.409 --> 0:17:26.689 sized parrot named Harry who curses like a French sailor. 0:17:27.250 --> 0:17:28.609 It's completely impossible. 0:17:29.449 --> 0:17:33.969 But like, isn't the Macaw community in the area small 0:17:34.090 --> 0:17:37.249 enough that people would maybe through word of mouth, be 0:17:37.290 --> 0:17:38.809 able to find Uh. 0:17:39.449 --> 0:17:43.489 Now, there's thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of 0:17:43.490 --> 0:17:44.050 Macaus in. 0:17:43.970 --> 0:17:49.490 The world, and it turns out it's difficult to tell 0:17:49.530 --> 0:17:52.769 one Macaw from another, even for an expert like Laurie. 0:17:53.250 --> 0:17:56.129 And you don't know if you know, something has happened 0:17:56.169 --> 0:17:57.850 to the bird, if it's been rehomed again. 0:17:59.570 --> 0:18:03.330 Is there is there any resources that that you can recommend? 0:18:03.810 --> 0:18:05.889 I mean, that's what the Internet's about. 0:18:06.770 --> 0:18:10.929 Do a Google search to explain to Laurie that that's 0:18:10.929 --> 0:18:14.090 what the problem is. I have nothing to Google search for. 0:18:14.730 --> 0:18:18.449 But Laurie is insistent it's just common sense. She says, 0:18:19.050 --> 0:18:22.249 with the Internet, you can simply Google search for whatever 0:18:22.290 --> 0:18:24.369 it is that you should be Google searching for. 0:18:25.050 --> 0:18:27.529 With the Internet nowadays, it does make things a lot easier. 0:18:27.570 --> 0:18:30.609 I mean, say I met a man and I was 0:18:30.770 --> 0:18:33.690 possibly interested him. First thing I would do if I'd 0:18:33.770 --> 0:18:34.609 do a search on him? 0:18:34.770 --> 0:18:36.409 Okay, okay, I'll put it this way. 0:18:37.050 --> 0:18:39.409 I met a man at Disneyland, a few months ago 0:18:40.290 --> 0:18:43.810 and seemed like a really nice guy and gave me 0:18:43.850 --> 0:18:46.409 a business card. He was a police officer, okay, And 0:18:46.530 --> 0:18:49.649 I found out that police officer is married, oh my, 0:18:50.369 --> 0:18:53.570 and so let him know that I knew he was married, 0:18:53.570 --> 0:18:55.249 and I thought it was what he was doing. And 0:18:55.290 --> 0:18:56.369 I never spoke to him again. 0:18:56.409 --> 0:18:58.809 But you told him that you confronted him. Good for you. 0:18:59.090 --> 0:19:01.369 That's the kind of person I am. 0:19:02.209 --> 0:19:04.889 I tell Laurie that while I respect her slew thing, 0:19:05.129 --> 0:19:08.729 her take no prisoner's style and the Internet as a whole, 0:19:09.330 --> 0:19:11.369 I don't know that any of this will help Ted 0:19:11.409 --> 0:19:15.330 and Todd. So Laurie offers one last glimmer of hope 0:19:15.810 --> 0:19:16.609 they'll find out. 0:19:16.490 --> 0:19:18.369 When they die one day and go to heaven if 0:19:18.409 --> 0:19:19.609 anything happened to that bird. 0:19:19.929 --> 0:19:24.490 That's beautiful. In the end, I do turn to the Internet, 0:19:24.929 --> 0:19:27.969 using it like it's nineteen ninety five all over again. 0:19:28.169 --> 0:19:31.409 And I just got an AOL complimentary cd ram in 0:19:31.449 --> 0:19:35.609 the mail. I joined Facebook groups like the Parrot Posse 0:19:35.770 --> 0:19:39.889 and Lost and found cockatiels and other bird companions. I 0:19:40.010 --> 0:19:43.330 even bookmark a site called the Big List of National 0:19:43.449 --> 0:19:48.249 and International Bird Clubs, but that all yields nothing. So 0:19:48.730 --> 0:19:52.650 as if it's eighteen ninety five all over again. Ahoy HOI. 0:19:53.209 --> 0:19:54.610 I turned to the telephone. 0:19:57.609 --> 0:20:00.050 Thank you for calling Annie's mobile bird for me hi. 0:20:00.090 --> 0:20:03.730 Yah and miss scale brad bird choice parent the landing's 0:20:03.770 --> 0:20:05.770 on parrot sectuary gives the permanent home. 0:20:05.929 --> 0:20:06.810 I only have one. 0:20:06.730 --> 0:20:08.609 Macau is it read by any chance? 0:20:08.770 --> 0:20:10.090 No blue and gold? 0:20:12.209 --> 0:20:15.010 Of everyone I speak with, nobody has seen any trace 0:20:15.050 --> 0:20:18.289 of Harry, and nobody believes I'll ever be able to 0:20:18.330 --> 0:20:29.289 find her. To what do I owe the pleasure of 0:20:29.330 --> 0:20:33.050 this invitation? But then one day my producer, Mona puts 0:20:33.050 --> 0:20:34.250 a meeting on my calendar. 0:20:34.810 --> 0:20:37.729 As you know, we've been trying to find this parrot. 0:20:37.810 --> 0:20:40.410 Oh I know Harry, I do know that, and. 0:20:40.609 --> 0:20:44.249 I've been casting a whiter and whiter net because I 0:20:44.250 --> 0:20:45.889 feel like the feedback we've been getting is that like 0:20:45.929 --> 0:20:47.530 it's just like a shot in the dark. 0:20:47.609 --> 0:20:50.850 That's a very generous appraisal of what we've been getting, 0:20:50.889 --> 0:20:53.489 because to me, it feels like it's been more like, no, 0:20:53.689 --> 0:20:57.090 this is insane. You are not going to find this bird. 0:20:57.570 --> 0:20:59.090 Stop trying to find this bird. 0:20:59.290 --> 0:20:59.609 Sure. 0:21:00.409 --> 0:21:04.730 Mona explains that she's been poking around on pet databases and. 0:21:05.290 --> 0:21:08.890 I found some other parrots who kind of like had 0:21:08.889 --> 0:21:12.129 some our stories and looked old. And there was this one. 0:21:12.250 --> 0:21:12.930 What it came from? 0:21:12.929 --> 0:21:13.049 This? 0:21:13.649 --> 0:21:15.649 What makes a pair of look old? I think you 0:21:15.649 --> 0:21:17.490 can tell you're getting too deep? 0:21:17.570 --> 0:21:18.369 They look grizzled. 0:21:18.449 --> 0:21:23.449 Should I be concerned? Okay, do with me, Mona tells 0:21:23.490 --> 0:21:26.249 me her deep dive turned up a sanctuary we haven't 0:21:26.290 --> 0:21:26.889 tried yet. 0:21:27.250 --> 0:21:28.330 It's called Oasis. 0:21:29.250 --> 0:21:32.170 On the Oasis website, each of the hundreds of birds 0:21:32.169 --> 0:21:35.930 they house has its own profile page. Mona looked through 0:21:35.970 --> 0:21:37.050 every single one. 0:21:37.490 --> 0:21:39.250 And that is when I found this. 0:21:49.409 --> 0:21:59.810 Oh man, uh god, wow, I I don't know what 0:21:59.889 --> 0:22:07.050 to say. 0:22:11.730 --> 0:22:17.050 So this is a red macaw named Harry. 0:22:17.850 --> 0:22:18.250 Mm hmm. 0:22:19.649 --> 0:22:21.689 Look at the right wing. 0:22:21.810 --> 0:22:22.050 I know. 0:22:22.570 --> 0:22:25.289 Oh, and look at the rings around the eye. Oh no, 0:22:25.570 --> 0:22:30.449 even the beak is similarly. Oh, this is compelling. This 0:22:30.609 --> 0:22:33.609 Harry looks identical to the photo of Harry that Ted 0:22:33.649 --> 0:22:36.289 and Todd sent me. So you have not called the 0:22:36.330 --> 0:22:38.249 Oasis sanctuary yet, I have not. 0:22:38.369 --> 0:22:40.650 I was thinking maybe now. 0:22:44.409 --> 0:22:49.570 The Oasis Sanctuary. This is Janet Trumbull, director of the Oasis. 0:22:49.770 --> 0:22:53.289