1 00:00:15,210 --> 00:00:15,690 Speaker 1: Pushkin. 2 00:00:25,410 --> 00:00:26,250 Speaker 2: Hey, how are you? 3 00:00:26,930 --> 00:00:28,250 Speaker 1: I'm okay? How are you? 4 00:00:28,370 --> 00:00:29,810 Speaker 3: I I'm okay, I'm okay. 5 00:00:29,690 --> 00:00:32,170 Speaker 4: I find you one of our room money. 6 00:00:32,409 --> 00:00:33,409 Speaker 1: So you heard the news? 7 00:00:33,489 --> 00:00:33,809 Speaker 3: Did you? 8 00:00:33,970 --> 00:00:35,850 Speaker 1: Did you read the tweet that I sent you? 9 00:00:35,890 --> 00:00:36,010 Speaker 5: No? 10 00:00:36,129 --> 00:00:36,770 Speaker 1: Actually I haven't. 11 00:00:36,769 --> 00:00:39,530 Speaker 3: I've been working all day and I haven't had a 12 00:00:39,610 --> 00:00:40,490 Speaker 3: chance to bet. 13 00:00:40,570 --> 00:00:42,970 Speaker 1: I can I read you the tweet from the Heavyweight 14 00:00:42,970 --> 00:00:47,089 Speaker 1: account that we put out. Yeah, okay, it's a Heavyweight 15 00:00:47,129 --> 00:00:50,849 Speaker 1: as it exists under Spotify will be ending after this season. 16 00:00:51,370 --> 00:00:53,730 Speaker 1: We're so proud of everything we've made and we're hoping 17 00:00:53,770 --> 00:00:56,450 Speaker 1: the show finds a new home in the future. Till then, 18 00:00:56,610 --> 00:01:00,410 Speaker 1: stay tuned, stay subscribed, and thank you all so much 19 00:01:00,450 --> 00:01:04,410 Speaker 1: for your love and support. Oh no, things are going 20 00:01:04,450 --> 00:01:07,369 Speaker 1: to be okay. You know what, because it's it's it's 21 00:01:07,410 --> 00:01:11,490 Speaker 1: show business. You know that song from Bugs Bunny Overtures, 22 00:01:11,730 --> 00:01:14,850 Speaker 1: Turn the Lights, you know that song? This is it 23 00:01:14,970 --> 00:01:19,170 Speaker 1: the night of Nights. No more rehoising and nicing up parts. 24 00:01:19,290 --> 00:01:23,490 Speaker 1: We know every part by heart. It's about going on 25 00:01:23,530 --> 00:01:24,010 Speaker 1: with the show. 26 00:01:24,690 --> 00:01:26,130 Speaker 2: How are you going to go on with the show. 27 00:01:26,530 --> 00:01:28,290 Speaker 1: We're going to try to find a new place for it. 28 00:01:28,650 --> 00:01:33,210 Speaker 1: You know, we have an obligation to our listeners. Why 29 00:01:33,250 --> 00:01:35,290 Speaker 1: does that make you laugh? I have an obligation to 30 00:01:35,330 --> 00:01:40,530 Speaker 1: my listeners. Wait, let's let's just sit here together and 31 00:01:40,570 --> 00:01:47,330 Speaker 1: think about all the laughter through the years. 32 00:02:05,690 --> 00:02:09,410 Speaker 2: You're can I hang up? 33 00:02:10,290 --> 00:02:11,169 Speaker 1: Can I hang up now? 34 00:02:12,850 --> 00:02:13,290 Speaker 3: Okay? 35 00:02:13,410 --> 00:02:16,610 Speaker 1: And you know what I'm gonna be okay, and you 36 00:02:16,609 --> 00:02:18,330 Speaker 1: know you're gonna be okay. We're going to keep on 37 00:02:18,410 --> 00:02:19,889 Speaker 1: doing this. I wanted to go to it. 38 00:02:20,010 --> 00:02:22,130 Speaker 6: This is my this is my I'm signing off. 39 00:02:22,410 --> 00:02:25,650 Speaker 1: I don't think you are. I don't believe it. I 40 00:02:25,650 --> 00:02:28,690 Speaker 1: think you love doing this, am I right? Just admit 41 00:02:28,770 --> 00:02:30,650 Speaker 1: it and I'll let you go. 42 00:02:30,650 --> 00:02:31,050 Speaker 3: Goodbye? 43 00:02:31,250 --> 00:02:36,410 Speaker 1: Hey, Jackie, Jackie, Jackie, thank you for these past eight years. 44 00:02:37,130 --> 00:02:39,530 Speaker 2: Oh sure, off milking it. 45 00:02:46,490 --> 00:02:55,970 Speaker 1: I'm Jonathan Goldstein and this is Heavyweight Today's episode, Harry. 46 00:03:00,370 --> 00:03:10,250 Speaker 1: Right after the break, our story begins with two people, 47 00:03:10,890 --> 00:03:15,170 Speaker 1: Ted and Todd or is it Todd and Ted in 48 00:03:15,250 --> 00:03:18,890 Speaker 1: the plaid shirt. You are Ted, Yes, and you're Todd. 49 00:03:18,970 --> 00:03:21,970 Speaker 1: That's great, okay, Hi, nice to meet you. Both Ted 50 00:03:22,010 --> 00:03:25,570 Speaker 1: and Todd are identical twins, but not the Mary Kate 51 00:03:25,690 --> 00:03:29,930 Speaker 1: Nashley cutie pitituiti type. They're more the slappy, happy, punchy, 52 00:03:29,970 --> 00:03:30,890 Speaker 1: grumpy type. 53 00:03:31,170 --> 00:03:32,450 Speaker 3: If you hit me, one more time. 54 00:03:32,770 --> 00:03:35,890 Speaker 1: Case in point. That was the sound of Ted reacting 55 00:03:35,930 --> 00:03:39,890 Speaker 1: to Todd, who, for no apparent reason, just whacked his 56 00:03:39,970 --> 00:03:42,410 Speaker 1: brother in the arm. Is that a part of the 57 00:03:42,410 --> 00:03:44,490 Speaker 1: way that you guys communicate? 58 00:03:44,730 --> 00:03:45,890 Speaker 3: Yeah, uh huh. 59 00:03:45,930 --> 00:03:48,210 Speaker 1: But if I'm not here, I mean, you don't punch 60 00:03:48,250 --> 00:03:48,610 Speaker 1: each other? 61 00:03:48,690 --> 00:03:53,570 Speaker 3: Right? Not anymore? No, not anymore? No. 62 00:03:56,930 --> 00:03:59,490 Speaker 1: Ted and Todd are in their sixties. They both have 63 00:03:59,690 --> 00:04:03,130 Speaker 1: long white hair and the stoic, deadpan affect of hitmen 64 00:04:03,370 --> 00:04:07,170 Speaker 1: in a Cormac McCarthy novel. They grew up in South Dakota, 65 00:04:07,370 --> 00:04:11,330 Speaker 1: surrounded by literal cowboys. Before the interview, they asked if 66 00:04:11,370 --> 00:04:15,410 Speaker 1: there'd be cigarette breaks. They both smoke Pall Mall's, drink 67 00:04:15,490 --> 00:04:19,650 Speaker 1: Keystone Lights, and they both work as contractors. They tell 68 00:04:19,690 --> 00:04:22,210 Speaker 1: me they can't go into a home depot together without 69 00:04:22,250 --> 00:04:26,730 Speaker 1: being asked the same asinine question, are you guys twins? 70 00:04:27,729 --> 00:04:36,049 Speaker 1: In response, Ted and Todd stare back blankly. But the 71 00:04:36,089 --> 00:04:38,929 Speaker 1: story Ted and Todd are here to tell isn't actually 72 00:04:38,929 --> 00:04:43,650 Speaker 1: about their twinship. It's about their younger brother, Scott, who 73 00:04:43,690 --> 00:04:46,410 Speaker 1: died in two thousand. Do you want to start off 74 00:04:46,450 --> 00:04:50,529 Speaker 1: by maybe talking to me a little bit about Scott? 75 00:04:51,650 --> 00:04:57,489 Speaker 7: Well, just here's a little brother, and that's about it. 76 00:04:58,650 --> 00:05:01,609 Speaker 1: To spare you twenty odd minutes of coaxing and cajoling, 77 00:05:01,929 --> 00:05:03,890 Speaker 1: I'll fast forward a bit to let you know that 78 00:05:03,969 --> 00:05:06,770 Speaker 1: Scott was a year younger than Ted and Todd. He 79 00:05:06,890 --> 00:05:09,250 Speaker 1: was the baby of the family and they often ended 80 00:05:09,369 --> 00:05:12,449 Speaker 1: up taking care of him as older brothers. Ted and 81 00:05:12,450 --> 00:05:15,650 Speaker 1: Todd were measured and steady. Scott, on the other hand, 82 00:05:15,890 --> 00:05:17,370 Speaker 1: was fun and colorful. 83 00:05:17,770 --> 00:05:20,609 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, real bright personality. I mean he was 84 00:05:20,650 --> 00:05:23,130 Speaker 7: just definitely his own individual for sure. Yeah, he got 85 00:05:23,130 --> 00:05:23,969 Speaker 7: all the personality. 86 00:05:24,690 --> 00:05:28,489 Speaker 1: In school, Scott attracted attention, and not all of it good. 87 00:05:29,210 --> 00:05:33,010 Speaker 1: This because, in addition to his big personality, Scott was gay. 88 00:05:33,810 --> 00:05:36,370 Speaker 1: From a pretty young age, he was a target for bullying. 89 00:05:36,810 --> 00:05:38,849 Speaker 1: But Ted and Todd always kept an eye out. 90 00:05:39,250 --> 00:05:41,450 Speaker 8: You couldn't go after our little brother because then you're 91 00:05:41,450 --> 00:05:44,010 Speaker 8: gonna have to deal with that both of us. So 92 00:05:44,330 --> 00:05:47,490 Speaker 8: one offense you're going to have three events. It's not 93 00:05:47,529 --> 00:05:50,369 Speaker 8: because we liked it. We were protecting our family. 94 00:05:51,409 --> 00:05:54,089 Speaker 1: In spite of the haters, Scott remained a force to 95 00:05:54,130 --> 00:05:57,930 Speaker 1: be reckoned with As a teenager. He once got into 96 00:05:57,929 --> 00:06:00,650 Speaker 1: their dad's Lincoln Continental in the middle of the night 97 00:06:00,929 --> 00:06:04,289 Speaker 1: and drove it almost one thousand miles across state lines 98 00:06:04,690 --> 00:06:05,370 Speaker 1: at fifteen. 99 00:06:05,489 --> 00:06:09,369 Speaker 8: I mean that tells you how independent that he really was. Yeahad. 100 00:06:10,169 --> 00:06:13,250 Speaker 1: While Ted and Todd got married and settled down, Scott 101 00:06:13,289 --> 00:06:17,289 Speaker 1: maintained his impish spontaneity, doing things like buying Ted and 102 00:06:17,330 --> 00:06:21,049 Speaker 1: Todd's kids the candy they weren't allowed, or once, having 103 00:06:21,089 --> 00:06:23,409 Speaker 1: promised his seven year old nephew a trip to the 104 00:06:23,450 --> 00:06:26,930 Speaker 1: circus and then breaking his leg, made sure they could 105 00:06:26,969 --> 00:06:30,409 Speaker 1: still go by teaching his nephew how to pump the clutch. 106 00:06:34,609 --> 00:06:37,729 Speaker 1: Scott led a nomadic life. Every so often, Ted and 107 00:06:37,770 --> 00:06:41,130 Speaker 1: Todd would get a phone call. Scott was in Roanoke, Virginia, 108 00:06:41,289 --> 00:06:45,289 Speaker 1: living with friends. Scott was in Nebraska going to mortician school. 109 00:06:45,810 --> 00:06:48,969 Speaker 1: Scott had crashed his car in the desert outside of Phoenix. 110 00:06:49,929 --> 00:06:52,129 Speaker 1: But no matter where he went, and no matter how 111 00:06:52,169 --> 00:06:55,130 Speaker 1: old he got, if Scott was in trouble, Ted and 112 00:06:55,169 --> 00:06:58,729 Speaker 1: Todd's phones would ring. So one day in the fall 113 00:06:58,770 --> 00:07:01,489 Speaker 1: of nineteen eighty six, when Todd received a call from 114 00:07:01,529 --> 00:07:04,729 Speaker 1: Scott at three am, he wasn't all that surprised. 115 00:07:05,409 --> 00:07:07,489 Speaker 7: He wanted me to come down and get him now, 116 00:07:07,609 --> 00:07:08,810 Speaker 7: which was not unusual. 117 00:07:09,610 --> 00:07:12,889 Speaker 1: Scott told Todd. He was in the hospital. When Todd 118 00:07:12,929 --> 00:07:15,650 Speaker 1: got there, he was directed to a special ward. 119 00:07:16,130 --> 00:07:19,730 Speaker 7: And pretty obvious something was wrong. And I walked in 120 00:07:19,850 --> 00:07:22,249 Speaker 7: and there must have been six other beds in there. 121 00:07:22,489 --> 00:07:26,770 Speaker 7: Probably he was the youngest, and at that point he 122 00:07:26,770 --> 00:07:32,410 Speaker 7: would have been in his early twenties, and everybody had 123 00:07:32,489 --> 00:07:36,210 Speaker 7: gowns and masks and gloves and shields, and I mean, 124 00:07:36,250 --> 00:07:40,050 Speaker 7: it was really bizarre, what is happening? And they said 125 00:07:40,090 --> 00:07:44,090 Speaker 7: you weren't aware your brother's diagnosis. And then that's when 126 00:07:44,130 --> 00:07:45,890 Speaker 7: they said, your brother has AIDS. 127 00:07:47,170 --> 00:07:49,730 Speaker 1: Scott wanted to get out of the hospital as quickly 128 00:07:49,770 --> 00:07:52,369 Speaker 1: as possible, so Todd just put him in the car 129 00:07:52,610 --> 00:07:56,010 Speaker 1: and drove him home. Never did they talk about AIDS 130 00:07:56,130 --> 00:07:58,770 Speaker 1: or what it meant. They didn't talk much at all. 131 00:07:59,810 --> 00:08:02,090 Speaker 1: Ted and Todd would call to check on Scott as 132 00:08:02,130 --> 00:08:04,730 Speaker 1: often as they could. They'd ask if he was going 133 00:08:04,770 --> 00:08:08,050 Speaker 1: to the doctor taking his meds? Are you taking care 134 00:08:08,090 --> 00:08:11,730 Speaker 1: of it? They'd say, yeah, he'd say, And for the 135 00:08:11,770 --> 00:08:15,290 Speaker 1: next few years, this is how it went until the 136 00:08:15,369 --> 00:08:23,770 Speaker 1: day Harry arrived. Todd was on the phone checking in 137 00:08:23,810 --> 00:08:27,449 Speaker 1: on Scott like usual. When he first heard her voice, this. 138 00:08:27,530 --> 00:08:30,369 Speaker 7: Say in the background, It's like what is that. 139 00:08:30,369 --> 00:08:35,730 Speaker 1: That was Harriet aka Harry, a red and green parrot, 140 00:08:36,210 --> 00:08:39,970 Speaker 1: a three foot long macau to be exact. Ted and Todd, 141 00:08:39,970 --> 00:08:44,170 Speaker 1: of course had questions, questions like what the hell are 142 00:08:44,170 --> 00:08:52,170 Speaker 1: you thinking? Scott had always loved unusual pets as a kid, 143 00:08:52,210 --> 00:08:54,690 Speaker 1: He kept a squirrel in the house and even a bat, 144 00:08:55,290 --> 00:08:58,890 Speaker 1: But there was something particularly worrying about adopting a parrot. 145 00:08:59,570 --> 00:09:00,530 Speaker 1: It's longevity. 146 00:09:01,170 --> 00:09:02,610 Speaker 3: You have this disease. 147 00:09:03,610 --> 00:09:05,370 Speaker 8: We don't know how long you're going to live, and 148 00:09:05,370 --> 00:09:07,250 Speaker 8: you buy an analyst is going to last eighty five 149 00:09:07,250 --> 00:09:08,450 Speaker 8: to one hundred years. 150 00:09:09,090 --> 00:09:11,930 Speaker 1: Even for a healthy adult, such a purchase would mean 151 00:09:11,970 --> 00:09:15,850 Speaker 1: a commitment that lasts into old age. In Scott's case, 152 00:09:16,090 --> 00:09:17,610 Speaker 1: it felt like an act of denial. 153 00:09:18,290 --> 00:09:20,010 Speaker 3: What Scott did was what Scott always does. 154 00:09:20,090 --> 00:09:21,690 Speaker 7: Just I'm gonna do what i'm gonna do, and I 155 00:09:21,810 --> 00:09:23,090 Speaker 7: like it and I want it, and that's how it's 156 00:09:23,090 --> 00:09:24,929 Speaker 7: going to be, and it's gonna be fine. 157 00:09:25,090 --> 00:09:28,330 Speaker 1: And so Harry was suddenly a fact of their family's life. 158 00:09:28,970 --> 00:09:33,010 Speaker 1: Wherever Scott went, there was Harry, and in time she 159 00:09:33,130 --> 00:09:36,330 Speaker 1: won Ted and Todd over with her rowdy antics and 160 00:09:36,450 --> 00:09:38,170 Speaker 1: foul mouth turns of phrase. 161 00:09:38,730 --> 00:09:41,010 Speaker 7: You son of a bit, Scott come here, you know 162 00:09:41,690 --> 00:09:42,410 Speaker 7: what's for dinner. 163 00:09:43,370 --> 00:09:46,090 Speaker 1: Ted and Todd had five kids between them, all of 164 00:09:46,130 --> 00:09:49,770 Speaker 1: whom adored their cool uncle and his crazy bird. They 165 00:09:49,770 --> 00:09:53,290 Speaker 1: would take road trips together. Harry glued to Scott's shoulder. 166 00:09:53,930 --> 00:09:55,890 Speaker 1: When they went to get dinner and left Harry in 167 00:09:55,890 --> 00:09:59,890 Speaker 1: the hotel room, she'd scream, Scott, you fuck her. Annoyed 168 00:09:59,970 --> 00:10:03,050 Speaker 1: to be left out of the fun. Harry was loyal 169 00:10:03,130 --> 00:10:06,450 Speaker 1: to Scott and protective too. She'd nibble at the shunt 170 00:10:06,490 --> 00:10:09,690 Speaker 1: in Scott's chest like it was a splinter that needed removal. 171 00:10:13,770 --> 00:10:16,650 Speaker 1: As time went on, it became increasingly clear that Scott's 172 00:10:16,690 --> 00:10:20,290 Speaker 1: diagnosis was taking a toll. One day, when Ted and 173 00:10:20,330 --> 00:10:22,850 Speaker 1: Todd called to check in, something felt off. 174 00:10:23,370 --> 00:10:26,010 Speaker 7: He just devoided personality, just like, wait, whoa, whoa, I 175 00:10:26,050 --> 00:10:28,490 Speaker 7: want to talk to you. He goes, I'm just I'm 176 00:10:28,490 --> 00:10:29,410 Speaker 7: not feeling Todd. 177 00:10:29,850 --> 00:10:31,650 Speaker 8: And the last time I talked to him, he just said, 178 00:10:31,690 --> 00:10:33,650 Speaker 8: I said, what's going on with you? And he said 179 00:10:33,930 --> 00:10:35,370 Speaker 8: I'm done. 180 00:10:36,010 --> 00:10:39,970 Speaker 1: A few days later, Scott died. He was thirty eight 181 00:10:40,050 --> 00:10:54,890 Speaker 1: years old. Ted and Todd rushed out to California. Their mom, 182 00:10:54,930 --> 00:10:58,010 Speaker 1: who'd been living with Scott, was devastated. 183 00:10:57,890 --> 00:11:00,690 Speaker 7: Because obviously she lost her son and her babe, her 184 00:11:00,770 --> 00:11:04,450 Speaker 7: youngest at that and then you've got Harry that was 185 00:11:04,650 --> 00:11:08,530 Speaker 7: making my little brother's voice and you know, would call 186 00:11:08,650 --> 00:11:10,210 Speaker 7: mom mom. 187 00:11:10,890 --> 00:11:14,610 Speaker 1: Harry grew unmoored, getting aggressive with their mother and anyone 188 00:11:14,610 --> 00:11:17,730 Speaker 1: else who tried to handle her. The only people who 189 00:11:17,770 --> 00:11:20,530 Speaker 1: she'd let touch her, the only ones she felt safe with, 190 00:11:20,890 --> 00:11:25,570 Speaker 1: were the ones who most resembled Scott, that is, Scott's brothers. 191 00:11:25,810 --> 00:11:27,050 Speaker 3: She was fine with Ted and I. 192 00:11:27,250 --> 00:11:29,850 Speaker 7: When we would get there, she would just cock her 193 00:11:29,850 --> 00:11:32,050 Speaker 7: head and look as she say Scott. 194 00:11:33,010 --> 00:11:35,810 Speaker 1: In those moments, it felt like Ted, Todd, and Harry 195 00:11:35,970 --> 00:11:40,330 Speaker 1: all shared some understanding. That word Scott was like a 196 00:11:40,370 --> 00:11:44,930 Speaker 1: secret handshake. Before his death, Scott told Ted and Todd 197 00:11:45,050 --> 00:11:48,050 Speaker 1: he wanted to leave Harry to Todd's eldest son, who 198 00:11:48,090 --> 00:11:50,930 Speaker 1: was in junior high at the time, but Todd knew 199 00:11:51,050 --> 00:11:53,290 Speaker 1: that keeping her just wasn't realistic. 200 00:11:54,010 --> 00:11:56,010 Speaker 7: I had to tell my son, no, it just it 201 00:11:56,010 --> 00:11:58,010 Speaker 7: wouldn't be fair to Harry, It wouldn't be fair to you, 202 00:11:58,250 --> 00:12:02,090 Speaker 7: because tonam a caw. I don't think people fully understand. 203 00:12:02,930 --> 00:12:06,010 Speaker 7: I mean, they get angry, they can be destructive. You know, 204 00:12:06,050 --> 00:12:07,930 Speaker 7: if you ever see their claws or their beak. You 205 00:12:07,930 --> 00:12:10,970 Speaker 7: don't want any party business. End of those that she 206 00:12:11,090 --> 00:12:14,290 Speaker 7: was chewing into the ceiling, into the attic. I mean, 207 00:12:14,330 --> 00:12:15,290 Speaker 7: they're a wild animal. 208 00:12:16,290 --> 00:12:19,770 Speaker 1: And so they approached Harry's longtime glomer for help finding 209 00:12:19,770 --> 00:12:22,570 Speaker 1: her a home. She offered to bring Harry to a 210 00:12:22,610 --> 00:12:26,570 Speaker 1: nearby bird sanctuary or was it a pet store? Ted 211 00:12:26,610 --> 00:12:29,610 Speaker 1: and Todd were so overwhelmed by Scott's death that they 212 00:12:29,610 --> 00:12:33,490 Speaker 1: can't quite remember which they do remember though, the day 213 00:12:33,530 --> 00:12:37,290 Speaker 1: of her departure, how their kids watched in tears as Harry, 214 00:12:37,530 --> 00:12:41,770 Speaker 1: their beloved uncle's beloved pet, was taken away. Do you 215 00:12:41,810 --> 00:12:45,370 Speaker 1: remember how Harry seemed to understand what was happening, How 216 00:12:45,370 --> 00:12:46,490 Speaker 1: she howled. 217 00:12:46,730 --> 00:12:50,330 Speaker 8: Her wings were everywhere, and she was and she was 218 00:12:50,450 --> 00:12:54,490 Speaker 8: yelling at us. It was just it was panemonium. It 219 00:12:54,570 --> 00:12:55,170 Speaker 8: was heartbreaking. 220 00:12:55,250 --> 00:12:55,770 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. 221 00:12:55,730 --> 00:12:59,650 Speaker 1: Tough at this point. Ted and Todd haven't seen Harry 222 00:12:59,690 --> 00:13:02,970 Speaker 1: in over twenty years. But they do know one thing. 223 00:13:03,610 --> 00:13:05,170 Speaker 3: This bird could still be out there. 224 00:13:08,890 --> 00:13:11,090 Speaker 1: And so Ted and Todd have come to me with 225 00:13:11,170 --> 00:13:14,810 Speaker 1: these questions, is she still out there? And if so, 226 00:13:15,410 --> 00:13:17,690 Speaker 1: did they do the right thing in giving her up? 227 00:13:18,770 --> 00:13:21,850 Speaker 1: Why do you think you're you're looking for for Harry? 228 00:13:21,890 --> 00:13:24,250 Speaker 8: Now, we always took care of our little brother, and 229 00:13:24,250 --> 00:13:25,650 Speaker 8: that's the one thing we didn't take care of. 230 00:13:26,570 --> 00:13:28,850 Speaker 1: Ted and Todd had taken care of their brothers since 231 00:13:28,850 --> 00:13:32,810 Speaker 1: they were children. Making sure Harry was provided for was 232 00:13:32,850 --> 00:13:35,730 Speaker 1: the last things got needed from them and it's the 233 00:13:35,770 --> 00:13:40,410 Speaker 1: only thing they couldn't do. Ted, do you feel guilt? 234 00:13:41,210 --> 00:13:41,770 Speaker 3: How about it? 235 00:13:42,570 --> 00:13:45,090 Speaker 8: Yeah? 236 00:13:45,410 --> 00:13:45,690 Speaker 3: Okay? 237 00:13:45,770 --> 00:13:50,530 Speaker 1: Can you say more about that? No, it's difficult to 238 00:13:50,530 --> 00:13:57,930 Speaker 1: talk about Yeah it is, yeah, okay, So knowing that, 239 00:13:59,170 --> 00:14:01,929 Speaker 1: knowing that Harry was okay, what would that What would 240 00:14:01,930 --> 00:14:03,010 Speaker 1: that bring to you? 241 00:14:04,410 --> 00:14:07,449 Speaker 8: We'd just be happy to know she's fine. And emotionally, 242 00:14:09,410 --> 00:14:10,330 Speaker 8: I don't really deal with that. 243 00:14:12,450 --> 00:14:14,130 Speaker 9: There's a part of them that doesn't want to talk 244 00:14:14,170 --> 00:14:14,850 Speaker 9: about it at all. 245 00:14:15,610 --> 00:14:18,970 Speaker 1: This is Hannah, Ted's daughter in law. Because Ted and 246 00:14:18,970 --> 00:14:21,650 Speaker 1: Todd are such a closed book, she's offered to help 247 00:14:21,690 --> 00:14:25,410 Speaker 1: translate them for me. Hannah tells me that through Harry, 248 00:14:25,770 --> 00:14:28,850 Speaker 1: Ted and Todd can broach a subject they wouldn't otherwise 249 00:14:28,930 --> 00:14:31,970 Speaker 1: know how to approach, and doing that might allow them 250 00:14:32,010 --> 00:14:33,090 Speaker 1: to forgive themselves. 251 00:14:33,730 --> 00:14:35,810 Speaker 9: So it's almost like they can talk about Harry in 252 00:14:35,850 --> 00:14:37,650 Speaker 9: a way that's easier than talking about Scott. 253 00:14:37,890 --> 00:14:40,450 Speaker 2: It's kind of like a surrogate. I think there's just 254 00:14:40,490 --> 00:14:42,570 Speaker 2: a lot of pain in the death of their brother. 255 00:14:43,410 --> 00:14:45,930 Speaker 9: Like, what I heard from Chase is that the one 256 00:14:45,970 --> 00:14:48,210 Speaker 9: time that they've seen their dad's craze when their brother died. 257 00:14:49,010 --> 00:14:52,850 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is Chase, Ted's son and Hannah's husband. 258 00:14:53,490 --> 00:14:55,250 Speaker 3: They had no control over it. 259 00:14:55,530 --> 00:14:57,930 Speaker 10: I'm sure they couldn't make him take his mediciner, do 260 00:14:58,010 --> 00:14:59,450 Speaker 10: the thing he was supposed to do as far as 261 00:14:59,450 --> 00:15:03,250 Speaker 10: getting rest or going to the doctors, and like they 262 00:15:03,250 --> 00:15:04,890 Speaker 10: couldn't go beat up aids. 263 00:15:05,570 --> 00:15:09,610 Speaker 1: When it came to their brother's death. Actions finally failed them. 264 00:15:09,770 --> 00:15:12,690 Speaker 1: In actions, Hannah and Chase say, are the language Ted 265 00:15:12,730 --> 00:15:16,290 Speaker 1: and Todd have for showing how they feel. Hannah says 266 00:15:16,290 --> 00:15:18,330 Speaker 1: she can always tell when Ted and Todd have stopped 267 00:15:18,330 --> 00:15:21,450 Speaker 1: by because some drywall will be sanded down, or she'll 268 00:15:21,490 --> 00:15:22,730 Speaker 1: notice a fresh coat of paint. 269 00:15:23,170 --> 00:15:25,970 Speaker 9: They also always unplug my toaster because they don't want 270 00:15:26,010 --> 00:15:26,530 Speaker 9: to catch fire. 271 00:15:26,810 --> 00:15:27,970 Speaker 1: Oh, I can always tell them. 272 00:15:27,850 --> 00:15:31,330 Speaker 9: They've been here because the toasters, they're always sort of 273 00:15:31,330 --> 00:15:33,770 Speaker 9: taking care of you. You just choked to your house 274 00:15:33,770 --> 00:15:36,090 Speaker 9: and realize, oh, they've been here, and they's like taking care. 275 00:15:35,930 --> 00:15:36,850 Speaker 2: Of some stuff. 276 00:15:37,970 --> 00:15:38,770 Speaker 1: Cowboy style. 277 00:15:39,130 --> 00:15:40,930 Speaker 2: Yeah, cowboy style, that's exactly it. 278 00:15:44,730 --> 00:15:47,610 Speaker 1: Hannah and Chase worry though that in cowboy style too, 279 00:15:48,130 --> 00:15:49,370 Speaker 1: they suffer in silence. 280 00:15:49,930 --> 00:15:54,370 Speaker 9: Because I love them. I hope for them that if 281 00:15:54,410 --> 00:15:57,330 Speaker 9: we found Harry it could they could heal more from 282 00:15:57,490 --> 00:15:58,210 Speaker 9: Scott's death. 283 00:15:59,010 --> 00:15:59,530 Speaker 3: Yeah. 284 00:16:00,010 --> 00:16:01,410 Speaker 1: I think it would just be nice to know that 285 00:16:01,450 --> 00:16:02,130 Speaker 1: she's doing. 286 00:16:01,930 --> 00:16:06,650 Speaker 11: Good, like she's like with people who'd let her cuss 287 00:16:06,690 --> 00:16:08,290 Speaker 11: and do whatever she wants. 288 00:16:08,370 --> 00:16:09,330 Speaker 1: Kind of like an outlaw. 289 00:16:09,570 --> 00:16:12,530 Speaker 7: Yeah, live in the life. 290 00:16:12,650 --> 00:16:13,850 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly it. 291 00:16:17,650 --> 00:16:20,330 Speaker 1: All right, Well, I'm going to do my best here. 292 00:16:21,090 --> 00:16:31,810 Speaker 1: I'm going to try to find Harry. That would be good, Okay. 293 00:16:45,930 --> 00:16:49,050 Speaker 1: Armed with an old photograph of Harry, I set out 294 00:16:49,130 --> 00:16:52,890 Speaker 1: on my search. Since Ted and Todd don't quite remember 295 00:16:53,010 --> 00:16:56,410 Speaker 1: exactly where they surrendered Harry, I begin my quest to 296 00:16:56,490 --> 00:17:03,370 Speaker 1: find this bird of Paradise by phoning. Birds in Paradise 297 00:17:03,530 --> 00:17:06,330 Speaker 1: is a pet store in southern California, not far from 298 00:17:06,369 --> 00:17:10,129 Speaker 1: where Scott lived. The owner, Lorie, has had the store 299 00:17:10,170 --> 00:17:12,929 Speaker 1: for decades and is an active member of the Southern 300 00:17:12,970 --> 00:17:17,169 Speaker 1: California parrot community. If anyone would know how to find Harry, 301 00:17:17,490 --> 00:17:20,370 Speaker 1: it seems like it would be Lori, So I explained 302 00:17:20,409 --> 00:17:23,330 Speaker 1: to her the project to find a bright red toddler 303 00:17:23,409 --> 00:17:26,689 Speaker 1: sized parrot named Harry who curses like a French sailor. 304 00:17:27,250 --> 00:17:28,609 Speaker 5: It's completely impossible. 305 00:17:29,449 --> 00:17:33,969 Speaker 1: But like, isn't the Macaw community in the area small 306 00:17:34,090 --> 00:17:37,249 Speaker 1: enough that people would maybe through word of mouth, be 307 00:17:37,290 --> 00:17:38,809 Speaker 1: able to find Uh. 308 00:17:39,449 --> 00:17:43,489 Speaker 12: Now, there's thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of 309 00:17:43,490 --> 00:17:44,050 Speaker 12: Macaus in. 310 00:17:43,970 --> 00:17:49,490 Speaker 1: The world, and it turns out it's difficult to tell 311 00:17:49,530 --> 00:17:52,769 Speaker 1: one Macaw from another, even for an expert like Laurie. 312 00:17:53,250 --> 00:17:56,129 Speaker 5: And you don't know if you know, something has happened 313 00:17:56,169 --> 00:17:57,850 Speaker 5: to the bird, if it's been rehomed again. 314 00:17:59,570 --> 00:18:03,330 Speaker 1: Is there is there any resources that that you can recommend? 315 00:18:03,810 --> 00:18:05,889 Speaker 5: I mean, that's what the Internet's about. 316 00:18:06,770 --> 00:18:10,929 Speaker 1: Do a Google search to explain to Laurie that that's 317 00:18:10,929 --> 00:18:14,090 Speaker 1: what the problem is. I have nothing to Google search for. 318 00:18:14,730 --> 00:18:18,449 Speaker 1: But Laurie is insistent it's just common sense. She says, 319 00:18:19,050 --> 00:18:22,249 Speaker 1: with the Internet, you can simply Google search for whatever 320 00:18:22,290 --> 00:18:24,369 Speaker 1: it is that you should be Google searching for. 321 00:18:25,050 --> 00:18:27,529 Speaker 5: With the Internet nowadays, it does make things a lot easier. 322 00:18:27,570 --> 00:18:30,609 Speaker 5: I mean, say I met a man and I was 323 00:18:30,770 --> 00:18:33,690 Speaker 5: possibly interested him. First thing I would do if I'd 324 00:18:33,770 --> 00:18:34,609 Speaker 5: do a search on him? 325 00:18:34,770 --> 00:18:36,409 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I'll put it this way. 326 00:18:37,050 --> 00:18:39,409 Speaker 5: I met a man at Disneyland, a few months ago 327 00:18:40,290 --> 00:18:43,810 Speaker 5: and seemed like a really nice guy and gave me 328 00:18:43,850 --> 00:18:46,409 Speaker 5: a business card. He was a police officer, okay, And 329 00:18:46,530 --> 00:18:49,649 Speaker 5: I found out that police officer is married, oh my, 330 00:18:50,369 --> 00:18:53,570 Speaker 5: and so let him know that I knew he was married, 331 00:18:53,570 --> 00:18:55,249 Speaker 5: and I thought it was what he was doing. And 332 00:18:55,290 --> 00:18:56,369 Speaker 5: I never spoke to him again. 333 00:18:56,409 --> 00:18:58,809 Speaker 1: But you told him that you confronted him. Good for you. 334 00:18:59,090 --> 00:19:01,369 Speaker 5: That's the kind of person I am. 335 00:19:02,209 --> 00:19:04,889 Speaker 1: I tell Laurie that while I respect her slew thing, 336 00:19:05,129 --> 00:19:08,729 Speaker 1: her take no prisoner's style and the Internet as a whole, 337 00:19:09,330 --> 00:19:11,369 Speaker 1: I don't know that any of this will help Ted 338 00:19:11,409 --> 00:19:15,330 Speaker 1: and Todd. So Laurie offers one last glimmer of hope 339 00:19:15,810 --> 00:19:16,609 Speaker 1: they'll find out. 340 00:19:16,490 --> 00:19:18,369 Speaker 5: When they die one day and go to heaven if 341 00:19:18,409 --> 00:19:19,609 Speaker 5: anything happened to that bird. 342 00:19:19,929 --> 00:19:24,490 Speaker 1: That's beautiful. In the end, I do turn to the Internet, 343 00:19:24,929 --> 00:19:27,969 Speaker 1: using it like it's nineteen ninety five all over again. 344 00:19:28,169 --> 00:19:31,409 Speaker 1: And I just got an AOL complimentary cd ram in 345 00:19:31,449 --> 00:19:35,609 Speaker 1: the mail. I joined Facebook groups like the Parrot Posse 346 00:19:35,770 --> 00:19:39,889 Speaker 1: and Lost and found cockatiels and other bird companions. I 347 00:19:40,010 --> 00:19:43,330 Speaker 1: even bookmark a site called the Big List of National 348 00:19:43,449 --> 00:19:48,249 Speaker 1: and International Bird Clubs, but that all yields nothing. So 349 00:19:48,730 --> 00:19:52,650 Speaker 1: as if it's eighteen ninety five all over again. Ahoy HOI. 350 00:19:53,209 --> 00:19:54,610 Speaker 1: I turned to the telephone. 351 00:19:57,609 --> 00:20:00,050 Speaker 4: Thank you for calling Annie's mobile bird for me hi. 352 00:20:00,090 --> 00:20:03,730 Speaker 11: Yah and miss scale brad bird choice parent the landing's 353 00:20:03,770 --> 00:20:05,770 Speaker 11: on parrot sectuary gives the permanent home. 354 00:20:05,929 --> 00:20:06,810 Speaker 7: I only have one. 355 00:20:06,730 --> 00:20:08,609 Speaker 1: Macau is it read by any chance? 356 00:20:08,770 --> 00:20:10,090 Speaker 7: No blue and gold? 357 00:20:12,209 --> 00:20:15,010 Speaker 1: Of everyone I speak with, nobody has seen any trace 358 00:20:15,050 --> 00:20:18,289 Speaker 1: of Harry, and nobody believes I'll ever be able to 359 00:20:18,330 --> 00:20:29,289 Speaker 1: find her. To what do I owe the pleasure of 360 00:20:29,330 --> 00:20:33,050 Speaker 1: this invitation? But then one day my producer, Mona puts 361 00:20:33,050 --> 00:20:34,250 Speaker 1: a meeting on my calendar. 362 00:20:34,810 --> 00:20:37,729 Speaker 2: As you know, we've been trying to find this parrot. 363 00:20:37,810 --> 00:20:40,410 Speaker 1: Oh I know Harry, I do know that, and. 364 00:20:40,609 --> 00:20:44,249 Speaker 11: I've been casting a whiter and whiter net because I 365 00:20:44,250 --> 00:20:45,889 Speaker 11: feel like the feedback we've been getting is that like 366 00:20:45,929 --> 00:20:47,530 Speaker 11: it's just like a shot in the dark. 367 00:20:47,609 --> 00:20:50,850 Speaker 1: That's a very generous appraisal of what we've been getting, 368 00:20:50,889 --> 00:20:53,489 Speaker 1: because to me, it feels like it's been more like, no, 369 00:20:53,689 --> 00:20:57,090 Speaker 1: this is insane. You are not going to find this bird. 370 00:20:57,570 --> 00:20:59,090 Speaker 1: Stop trying to find this bird. 371 00:20:59,290 --> 00:20:59,609 Speaker 10: Sure. 372 00:21:00,409 --> 00:21:04,730 Speaker 1: Mona explains that she's been poking around on pet databases and. 373 00:21:05,290 --> 00:21:08,890 Speaker 11: I found some other parrots who kind of like had 374 00:21:08,889 --> 00:21:12,129 Speaker 11: some our stories and looked old. And there was this one. 375 00:21:12,250 --> 00:21:12,930 Speaker 11: What it came from? 376 00:21:12,929 --> 00:21:13,049 Speaker 3: This? 377 00:21:13,649 --> 00:21:15,649 Speaker 1: What makes a pair of look old? I think you 378 00:21:15,649 --> 00:21:17,490 Speaker 1: can tell you're getting too deep? 379 00:21:17,570 --> 00:21:18,369 Speaker 2: They look grizzled. 380 00:21:18,449 --> 00:21:23,449 Speaker 1: Should I be concerned? Okay, do with me, Mona tells 381 00:21:23,490 --> 00:21:26,249 Speaker 1: me her deep dive turned up a sanctuary we haven't 382 00:21:26,290 --> 00:21:26,889 Speaker 1: tried yet. 383 00:21:27,250 --> 00:21:28,330 Speaker 2: It's called Oasis. 384 00:21:29,250 --> 00:21:32,170 Speaker 1: On the Oasis website, each of the hundreds of birds 385 00:21:32,169 --> 00:21:35,930 Speaker 1: they house has its own profile page. Mona looked through 386 00:21:35,970 --> 00:21:37,050 Speaker 1: every single one. 387 00:21:37,490 --> 00:21:39,250 Speaker 2: And that is when I found this. 388 00:21:49,409 --> 00:21:59,810 Speaker 6: Oh man, uh god, wow, I I don't know what 389 00:21:59,889 --> 00:22:07,050 Speaker 6: to say. 390 00:22:11,730 --> 00:22:17,050 Speaker 1: So this is a red macaw named Harry. 391 00:22:17,850 --> 00:22:18,250 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 392 00:22:19,649 --> 00:22:21,689 Speaker 1: Look at the right wing. 393 00:22:21,810 --> 00:22:22,050 Speaker 4: I know. 394 00:22:22,570 --> 00:22:25,289 Speaker 1: Oh, and look at the rings around the eye. Oh no, 395 00:22:25,570 --> 00:22:30,449 Speaker 1: even the beak is similarly. Oh, this is compelling. This 396 00:22:30,609 --> 00:22:33,609 Speaker 1: Harry looks identical to the photo of Harry that Ted 397 00:22:33,649 --> 00:22:36,289 Speaker 1: and Todd sent me. So you have not called the 398 00:22:36,330 --> 00:22:38,249 Speaker 1: Oasis sanctuary yet, I have not. 399 00:22:38,369 --> 00:22:40,650 Speaker 2: I was thinking maybe now. 400 00:22:44,409 --> 00:22:49,570 Speaker 1: The Oasis Sanctuary. This is Janet Trumbull, director of the Oasis. 401 00:22:49,770 --> 00:22:53,289 Speaker 1: I mean, with great excitement, I explained my quest and 402 00:22:53,449 --> 00:22:58,449 Speaker 1: his macaw was also named Harry. And so we begin 403 00:22:58,570 --> 00:23:02,209 Speaker 1: comparing Harry's the Harry who lives at the oasis, Janet 404 00:23:02,250 --> 00:23:04,529 Speaker 1: tells me arrived there as a Harry. 405 00:23:04,929 --> 00:23:06,810 Speaker 5: Yep, he even says his name Harry. 406 00:23:07,490 --> 00:23:11,130 Speaker 2: Really yeah, so I know when we walk up to Harry, he. 407 00:23:11,090 --> 00:23:14,529 Speaker 1: Always says, hi, Harry. Janet refers to Harry as a 408 00:23:14,570 --> 00:23:18,050 Speaker 1: he because she's done a DNA test. She says that 409 00:23:18,169 --> 00:23:22,290 Speaker 1: otherwise it's nearly impossible to determine a parent's biological sex, 410 00:23:22,730 --> 00:23:25,770 Speaker 1: so it would be understandable if Scott thought Harry or her. 411 00:23:27,209 --> 00:23:29,649 Speaker 1: I asked Janet, what else she can tell me about Harry. 412 00:23:30,490 --> 00:23:32,810 Speaker 12: So he came to us from California. 413 00:23:32,889 --> 00:23:38,129 Speaker 1: Oh, not just California, Janet says, but southern California, an 414 00:23:38,209 --> 00:23:40,769 Speaker 1: hour and a half away from Yucca Valley, where Scott 415 00:23:40,810 --> 00:23:44,369 Speaker 1: had lived. It seems Harry was taken in by a 416 00:23:44,369 --> 00:23:48,249 Speaker 1: family with young children who teased and harassed him. In 417 00:23:48,290 --> 00:23:51,730 Speaker 1: their care, he grew increasingly aggressive, and so they had 418 00:23:51,770 --> 00:23:53,969 Speaker 1: no choice but to surrender him to a woman in 419 00:23:54,010 --> 00:23:58,969 Speaker 1: the area who fostered difficult birds. Eventually she brought Harry 420 00:23:58,970 --> 00:24:00,210 Speaker 1: to the Oasis. 421 00:24:00,609 --> 00:24:03,449 Speaker 12: She guessed his age at twenty two. I don't know 422 00:24:03,449 --> 00:24:08,090 Speaker 12: how okay, okay, he arrived in twenty twenty. 423 00:24:09,330 --> 00:24:12,770 Speaker 1: Our Harry hatched in the late nineties, so twenty two 424 00:24:12,929 --> 00:24:20,889 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty lines up perfectly. Janet, that would be it. Yeah, 425 00:24:21,330 --> 00:24:26,930 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Well this is very unexpected. 426 00:24:27,409 --> 00:24:30,609 Speaker 8: Yeah, it's kind of cool. 427 00:24:30,929 --> 00:24:33,729 Speaker 1: We found a macaw whose name is Harry, who's the 428 00:24:33,810 --> 00:24:37,689 Speaker 1: right age and who's from the right place. So I 429 00:24:37,770 --> 00:24:40,210 Speaker 1: get back in touch with Ted, Todd and the rest 430 00:24:40,290 --> 00:24:44,449 Speaker 1: of the family. Hi High High, Hi, Hello, it's nice 431 00:24:44,449 --> 00:24:47,330 Speaker 1: to see you all. I tell them about everything I've 432 00:24:47,330 --> 00:24:50,250 Speaker 1: been up to over the last few months, the sanctuaries 433 00:24:50,250 --> 00:24:55,369 Speaker 1: and bird groomers, the pet stores, Lori's, Disneyland, Jigglow, and 434 00:24:55,409 --> 00:24:58,530 Speaker 1: finally I show them the photo of the Harry who 435 00:24:58,570 --> 00:25:03,929 Speaker 1: lives at Janet Sanctuary in Arizona. Do you believe that 436 00:25:04,010 --> 00:25:05,450 Speaker 1: this is Harry? Oh? 437 00:25:05,490 --> 00:25:10,010 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that's Harry. Yeah, that's firstly I thought. 438 00:25:10,169 --> 00:25:13,969 Speaker 1: Yeah, Ted and Todd are convinced this is Harry, But 439 00:25:14,050 --> 00:25:17,250 Speaker 1: as a freshly minted bird journalist, I can't yet make 440 00:25:17,250 --> 00:25:21,369 Speaker 1: the call. As Laurie told me, individual macaus are nearly 441 00:25:21,409 --> 00:25:26,490 Speaker 1: impossible for people to identify. They all look the same. Birds, 442 00:25:26,530 --> 00:25:29,529 Speaker 1: on the other hand, can tell humans apart just fine, 443 00:25:30,570 --> 00:25:33,889 Speaker 1: So to truly confirm that this Harry is our Harry, 444 00:25:34,330 --> 00:25:37,129 Speaker 1: we need to know whether he recognizes Ted and Todd. 445 00:25:37,970 --> 00:25:41,490 Speaker 1: And for that there's really only one thing to do. 446 00:25:43,090 --> 00:25:45,930 Speaker 1: I guess what I'm winding up to here is I've 447 00:25:46,010 --> 00:25:52,850 Speaker 1: Google mapped the Bird Sanctuary oasis from this studio. It's 448 00:25:52,889 --> 00:25:57,409 Speaker 1: a fourteen hour road trip. I'm not suggesting that you 449 00:25:57,970 --> 00:26:01,450 Speaker 1: leave right now and we hit the road like Muppet 450 00:26:01,449 --> 00:26:07,609 Speaker 1: movie style, but which you want to go there? Yeah, 451 00:26:07,770 --> 00:26:13,850 Speaker 1: jure Chase? Is this Ted and Todd When they're excited, 452 00:26:14,129 --> 00:26:16,289 Speaker 1: You're getting like pinata happiness here. 453 00:26:16,330 --> 00:26:17,369 Speaker 3: I think with these two. 454 00:26:18,490 --> 00:26:20,409 Speaker 8: It's hotter in hell in Arizona in July. 455 00:26:21,609 --> 00:26:26,409 Speaker 1: But yeah, after the break, eight hundred miles to see 456 00:26:26,490 --> 00:26:48,929 Speaker 1: about a bird, all right, we're here. Ultimately there was 457 00:26:48,970 --> 00:26:52,929 Speaker 1: no road trip. Instead, the family decided to fly to Arizona. 458 00:26:53,330 --> 00:26:55,210 Speaker 1: Ted and Todd said it was the first time they've 459 00:26:55,250 --> 00:26:58,249 Speaker 1: flown in nearly three decades. The last had been for 460 00:26:58,290 --> 00:27:03,490 Speaker 1: their father's funeral. Ted and Todd, Chase, Hannah, Todd's daughter Jessica, 461 00:27:03,570 --> 00:27:06,730 Speaker 1: and two grandkids all meet me in a Tucson Walmart 462 00:27:06,770 --> 00:27:07,770 Speaker 1: parking lot, and. 463 00:27:07,730 --> 00:27:09,649 Speaker 9: Then Ted and Todd jumped out because they We're anxious 464 00:27:09,649 --> 00:27:10,449 Speaker 9: to gather KRD smoke. 465 00:27:10,770 --> 00:27:11,609 Speaker 1: Where are they smoking? 466 00:27:12,010 --> 00:27:13,209 Speaker 2: Where by the propine takes? 467 00:27:13,850 --> 00:27:17,649 Speaker 1: Are you serious? By the pro paine takes? Hannah, as 468 00:27:17,649 --> 00:27:21,969 Speaker 1: it turns out, is serious. I find Ted and Todd 469 00:27:22,010 --> 00:27:26,330 Speaker 1: sucking down Paul Maul's indeed beside the propane tanks, which 470 00:27:26,649 --> 00:27:27,969 Speaker 1: thankfully are empty. 471 00:27:28,649 --> 00:27:32,770 Speaker 3: Ah humid, it's humid. 472 00:27:35,449 --> 00:27:38,409 Speaker 1: As people pass by, they can't help staring a little 473 00:27:38,409 --> 00:27:42,010 Speaker 1: too long at the two identical men, tall and slim 474 00:27:42,050 --> 00:27:45,369 Speaker 1: with long white hair. For Ted and Todd, who shy 475 00:27:45,449 --> 00:27:48,290 Speaker 1: away from the limelight in all of its forms, who 476 00:27:48,330 --> 00:27:51,090 Speaker 1: hate to be the focus of attention, To be so 477 00:27:51,250 --> 00:27:55,530 Speaker 1: notable must be a special kind of hell. The Rubbernecker's rubberneck. 478 00:27:55,609 --> 00:27:59,689 Speaker 1: While Ted and Todd flashed identical expressions on their identical faces, 479 00:28:00,570 --> 00:28:11,570 Speaker 1: a look of complete blankness. Cigarettes smoked, We all pile 480 00:28:11,609 --> 00:28:16,449 Speaker 1: into Ted and Todd's suv. From here, the Oasis and 481 00:28:16,530 --> 00:28:24,649 Speaker 1: Harry are about forty five minutes away. 482 00:28:24,850 --> 00:28:29,649 Speaker 12: Hi, nice to meet you, Ty Todd. 483 00:28:30,369 --> 00:28:32,850 Speaker 1: Janet greets us at the entrance of the sanctuary. 484 00:28:33,409 --> 00:28:35,170 Speaker 2: All right, well, let's go ahead and go inside. 485 00:28:35,570 --> 00:28:38,730 Speaker 1: So I'm thinking the Oasis is home to twenty two 486 00:28:38,770 --> 00:28:43,290 Speaker 1: separate aviaries housing hundreds of tropical birds, almost all of which, 487 00:28:43,370 --> 00:28:45,770 Speaker 1: amazingly Janet knows by name. 488 00:28:46,170 --> 00:28:48,850 Speaker 12: Bubbles that he's a Patagonian conyer. 489 00:28:49,770 --> 00:28:54,210 Speaker 1: There's Cosmo, Tutsi, Molly, Sammy, Toby, and Modene. There's Oscar, 490 00:28:54,490 --> 00:28:57,970 Speaker 1: a blue and gold macaw who Janet tells us recently 491 00:28:58,010 --> 00:29:01,249 Speaker 1: lost her mate, and Congo and Timmy, a pair of 492 00:29:01,290 --> 00:29:05,490 Speaker 1: African grays. There are two green wings, Tango and Cash, 493 00:29:05,610 --> 00:29:08,769 Speaker 1: named for the Sylvester Stallone Kurt Russell film about two 494 00:29:08,810 --> 00:29:13,130 Speaker 1: minus smashed lapd officers. But while that Tango and Cash 495 00:29:13,290 --> 00:29:16,410 Speaker 1: enjoy shooting off firearms and punching people in the face, 496 00:29:16,930 --> 00:29:21,690 Speaker 1: this Tango and Cash enjoy eating honeydew and philbirds. Somewhere 497 00:29:21,770 --> 00:29:26,370 Speaker 1: among all these birds is Harry. I was just. 498 00:29:26,330 --> 00:29:28,810 Speaker 12: Saying, when you guys pulled up, Harry was screaming. 499 00:29:29,730 --> 00:29:33,530 Speaker 1: Do you think there is a chance that Harry will 500 00:29:33,610 --> 00:29:34,969 Speaker 1: recognize these guys. 501 00:29:35,370 --> 00:29:36,410 Speaker 2: It's very possible. 502 00:29:37,250 --> 00:29:40,130 Speaker 12: It's hard to say, and because he's not a cuddly bird, 503 00:29:40,170 --> 00:29:44,090 Speaker 12: you know, I'll have to kind of read his body language. 504 00:29:45,730 --> 00:29:48,930 Speaker 1: As we get closer to Harry's enclosure, we suddenly hear 505 00:29:50,050 --> 00:29:53,330 Speaker 1: kill Harry, Harry, Hi. 506 00:29:53,290 --> 00:30:01,249 Speaker 12: Harry, Yes, Hi Harry, And there he is shuffling around 507 00:30:01,290 --> 00:30:02,209 Speaker 12: on a tree branch. 508 00:30:03,610 --> 00:30:06,130 Speaker 1: Throughout this whole quest, with all the phone calls and 509 00:30:06,170 --> 00:30:10,650 Speaker 1: Internet searching, I'd forgotten how beautiful these birds are. Harry's 510 00:30:10,650 --> 00:30:13,370 Speaker 1: feathers are so vivid, he makes the world around him 511 00:30:13,410 --> 00:30:17,370 Speaker 1: seem black and white. Harry looks like Saturday Morning cartoons, 512 00:30:17,650 --> 00:30:21,810 Speaker 1: ten thousand crayons, a sunset, and a room full of gogains, 513 00:30:22,050 --> 00:30:25,850 Speaker 1: all set on fire. Looking at him, it makes sense 514 00:30:25,930 --> 00:30:29,370 Speaker 1: that the most colorful brother, which choose a most colorful pet, 515 00:30:30,410 --> 00:30:34,130 Speaker 1: but seated right beside Harry, almost wing to wing, is 516 00:30:34,170 --> 00:30:37,850 Speaker 1: another very similar looking bird. It turns out that this 517 00:30:37,930 --> 00:30:42,290 Speaker 1: is Harry's mate, Valentina. Harry met Valentina eight years ago 518 00:30:42,450 --> 00:30:45,690 Speaker 1: at the Refuge for Difficult Birds. They came to the 519 00:30:45,690 --> 00:30:50,490 Speaker 1: Oasis together, and Janet says, Harry and Valentina are inseparable. 520 00:30:50,890 --> 00:30:53,969 Speaker 12: Yep, They're always like that, right together, and you can 521 00:30:54,010 --> 00:30:59,210 Speaker 12: see he's being very protective of her. They have bonded, 522 00:31:00,970 --> 00:31:04,209 Speaker 12: very strong bonds, so we won't ever separate those two. 523 00:31:04,890 --> 00:31:08,170 Speaker 1: Harry sidles up to Valentina, and as he draws closer, 524 00:31:08,490 --> 00:31:11,050 Speaker 1: I can see that that while Harry is indeed beautiful, 525 00:31:11,410 --> 00:31:14,850 Speaker 1: his feathers are ruffled and patchy, and his tail is shredded. 526 00:31:15,730 --> 00:31:18,290 Speaker 1: Janet says the loss of feathers is something he's done 527 00:31:18,330 --> 00:31:21,450 Speaker 1: to himself. It's a behavior called plucking. 528 00:31:21,650 --> 00:31:24,650 Speaker 12: It's very common for parrots in captivity to pluck. 529 00:31:25,730 --> 00:31:26,170 Speaker 3: She says. 530 00:31:26,170 --> 00:31:30,810 Speaker 1: Plucking can start when birds are stressed or frustrated or grieving. 531 00:31:31,130 --> 00:31:34,330 Speaker 12: They do definitely grieve, Yeah, because their bonds are very deep. 532 00:31:36,209 --> 00:31:37,930 Speaker 2: Yeah. 533 00:31:39,250 --> 00:31:41,690 Speaker 1: It's hard to tell how Janet's words are affecting Ted 534 00:31:41,730 --> 00:31:44,170 Speaker 1: and Todd, but I suspect it might be adding to 535 00:31:44,209 --> 00:31:48,009 Speaker 1: their guilt, exacerbating their own tendency to pluck. That the 536 00:31:48,010 --> 00:31:49,850 Speaker 1: many should haves and could haves. 537 00:31:52,850 --> 00:31:53,450 Speaker 4: Talk to him. 538 00:31:55,010 --> 00:31:59,210 Speaker 1: He remembers, you we all step back and allow Ted 539 00:31:59,250 --> 00:32:03,290 Speaker 1: and Todd's space to approach. All eyes are on them, 540 00:32:03,370 --> 00:32:06,010 Speaker 1: and with all the self consciousness of two self conscious 541 00:32:06,050 --> 00:32:08,529 Speaker 1: men who must address a bird before a crowd of 542 00:32:08,570 --> 00:32:09,969 Speaker 1: family and near strangers. 543 00:32:10,490 --> 00:32:24,090 Speaker 10: They begin, Hi, Harry, Hello, Harry, how are you see Yah? 544 00:32:24,209 --> 00:32:25,210 Speaker 2: She's responding. 545 00:32:26,650 --> 00:32:30,050 Speaker 1: Harry's body language shifts. He leans towards Ted and Todd. 546 00:32:30,650 --> 00:32:36,170 Speaker 1: See how he's sitting forward. It's okay, look at ams 547 00:32:36,330 --> 00:32:37,330 Speaker 1: just looking at him? 548 00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:39,930 Speaker 3: You're okay? 549 00:32:41,490 --> 00:32:43,210 Speaker 2: So I see some recognition there. 550 00:32:45,090 --> 00:32:51,010 Speaker 1: It looks like we found our bird. Harry starts to 551 00:32:51,050 --> 00:32:54,130 Speaker 1: come closer, but Valentina reaches forward with her beak and 552 00:32:54,170 --> 00:32:55,170 Speaker 1: tugs on his feathers. 553 00:32:55,890 --> 00:32:59,529 Speaker 12: It looks like Valentina's keeps pulling him back, is what 554 00:32:59,610 --> 00:33:02,850 Speaker 12: I'm seeing. Like he does want to engage, but then 555 00:33:02,890 --> 00:33:05,730 Speaker 12: she says no and gives him a little little nip. 556 00:33:07,610 --> 00:33:09,209 Speaker 3: Yeah, she looks like, you get upset it. 557 00:33:10,410 --> 00:33:15,130 Speaker 7: We can leave you alone, we can let you be buddy. 558 00:33:16,410 --> 00:33:19,410 Speaker 1: Ted and Todd are reluctant to be a nuisance. They 559 00:33:19,450 --> 00:33:22,130 Speaker 1: decide to leave the enclosure, and we all file out 560 00:33:22,130 --> 00:33:34,969 Speaker 1: behind them. At last, Ted and Todd have found Harry, 561 00:33:35,650 --> 00:33:39,729 Speaker 1: and although worse for where, he's okay. Still Ted and 562 00:33:39,770 --> 00:33:41,210 Speaker 1: Todd don't seem satisfied. 563 00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:45,050 Speaker 7: I think I just felt like, you know, you're. 564 00:33:46,570 --> 00:33:47,810 Speaker 3: It's just disappointing. 565 00:33:50,170 --> 00:33:53,490 Speaker 1: It's like they were hoping for something more, something closer 566 00:33:53,610 --> 00:33:57,370 Speaker 1: to forgiveness. But what does forgiveness from a bird even? 567 00:33:57,410 --> 00:34:02,290 Speaker 3: Look like? Let's go ahead and get out of here. Yeah, 568 00:34:02,290 --> 00:34:07,890 Speaker 3: I hate everybody watching. I hated everybody watching. 569 00:34:10,810 --> 00:34:11,890 Speaker 4: Well shall we go on? 570 00:34:13,490 --> 00:34:17,610 Speaker 1: Half heartedly? Ted and Todd acquiesce and Janet continues the tour. 571 00:34:18,690 --> 00:34:21,450 Speaker 1: She shows us the monk parakeets who look nothing like 572 00:34:21,490 --> 00:34:22,850 Speaker 1: Tony Shaloub. 573 00:34:22,650 --> 00:34:25,570 Speaker 12: Smaller species Kanyer's Quakers. 574 00:34:26,130 --> 00:34:28,810 Speaker 1: She shows us the lovebirds, of whom I consider asking 575 00:34:28,890 --> 00:34:31,970 Speaker 1: Janet if she's ever caught making whoopie bloodbirds can be 576 00:34:32,050 --> 00:34:37,010 Speaker 1: extremely aggressive, but reconsider, and she shows us a rose 577 00:34:37,050 --> 00:34:41,450 Speaker 1: breasted cockatoo, the Samantha Jones of the aviary Good bad 578 00:34:41,690 --> 00:34:46,730 Speaker 1: men a love. While I'm having the time of my 579 00:34:46,850 --> 00:34:51,010 Speaker 1: life watching Nature's drones all throughout the tour, Ted and 580 00:34:51,050 --> 00:34:54,810 Speaker 1: Todd LaGG behind. It's only while engrossed by a parrot 581 00:34:54,890 --> 00:34:59,050 Speaker 1: named Lady Gray and her ability to repeat the word cracker. 582 00:34:59,810 --> 00:35:00,330 Speaker 1: Did you hear that? 583 00:35:00,770 --> 00:35:01,250 Speaker 4: Cracker? 584 00:35:02,370 --> 00:35:05,370 Speaker 1: Cracker, that I look around and see that Ted and 585 00:35:05,410 --> 00:35:09,690 Speaker 1: Todd have disappeared. It's only later on, when reviewing the 586 00:35:09,730 --> 00:35:12,450 Speaker 1: tape that I realized where they disappeared too. 587 00:35:13,450 --> 00:35:18,410 Speaker 3: Oh, welcome to see Harry one last time? Yeah about 588 00:35:18,410 --> 00:35:20,610 Speaker 3: the hord? Mmm without the hord. 589 00:35:22,370 --> 00:35:25,530 Speaker 1: Ted and Todd had doubled back to see Harry without 590 00:35:25,570 --> 00:35:26,050 Speaker 1: the horde. 591 00:35:27,130 --> 00:35:32,330 Speaker 7: Hi, guys, Hello Harry, Hi Harry. 592 00:35:31,770 --> 00:35:37,250 Speaker 3: Where does go friend? Though he's. 593 00:35:37,170 --> 00:35:39,410 Speaker 1: This time? When Ted and Todd show up, just the 594 00:35:39,450 --> 00:35:42,650 Speaker 1: two of them, Valentina stands back and Harry makes his 595 00:35:42,690 --> 00:35:47,850 Speaker 1: way down the branch. He seems to feel safe. Yeah, 596 00:35:47,890 --> 00:35:51,010 Speaker 1: and Ted and Todd seemed to feel safe too. Without 597 00:35:51,050 --> 00:35:53,530 Speaker 1: the expectant eyes of the group upon them, they can 598 00:35:53,570 --> 00:35:56,490 Speaker 1: finally ask the question they really want to ask, that 599 00:35:56,530 --> 00:35:58,050 Speaker 1: they've flown across the country for. 600 00:35:59,450 --> 00:36:03,810 Speaker 3: Do you remember Scott? You remember Scott? 601 00:36:06,330 --> 00:36:06,730 Speaker 13: To that. 602 00:36:08,250 --> 00:36:08,970 Speaker 3: He's watching. 603 00:36:10,930 --> 00:36:15,050 Speaker 1: Harry doesn't respond, but then Todd has an idea. 604 00:36:15,370 --> 00:36:16,529 Speaker 7: Harry, son of a bitch. 605 00:36:17,210 --> 00:36:20,090 Speaker 1: He starts cursing like a constipated French sailor. 606 00:36:21,450 --> 00:36:25,450 Speaker 7: God damn it, Harry, God damn it, Harry. Come here, Harry, 607 00:36:25,490 --> 00:36:25,850 Speaker 7: Come here. 608 00:36:28,890 --> 00:36:31,970 Speaker 1: Harry takes a couple more Leary steps down his branch. 609 00:36:34,450 --> 00:36:37,050 Speaker 3: Yeah, sound like Scott. 610 00:36:39,450 --> 00:36:44,130 Speaker 1: It sounded like Scott, says Ted. Now at this point, 611 00:36:44,370 --> 00:36:49,730 Speaker 1: I've listened back to this tape hundreds of times. I'm 612 00:36:49,730 --> 00:36:53,890 Speaker 1: not sure what I hear. It does kind of sound 613 00:36:53,970 --> 00:36:57,290 Speaker 1: like he's saying Scott, sort of. But I guess it 614 00:36:57,290 --> 00:37:00,730 Speaker 1: doesn't matter what I hear. What matters is what Ted 615 00:37:00,770 --> 00:37:04,330 Speaker 1: and Todd hear. And it seems like they hear forgiveness. 616 00:37:07,170 --> 00:37:13,610 Speaker 7: I'm glad you're okay, Hey, leave them alone? 617 00:37:14,810 --> 00:37:15,970 Speaker 3: Yeah, probably. 618 00:37:17,130 --> 00:37:20,050 Speaker 7: Bye, Harry, say bye. 619 00:37:21,490 --> 00:37:23,130 Speaker 3: Bye. 620 00:37:24,090 --> 00:37:27,170 Speaker 1: The two near identical men wave goodbye to the two 621 00:37:27,330 --> 00:37:28,650 Speaker 1: near identical birds. 622 00:37:30,610 --> 00:37:33,370 Speaker 3: I'm glad he's going all right. Yeah, that's. 623 00:37:34,970 --> 00:37:37,370 Speaker 1: And with that, Ted and Todd go back to the group, 624 00:37:37,730 --> 00:37:40,850 Speaker 1: and Harry and Valentina go back to living that outlaw life. 625 00:37:42,130 --> 00:37:45,410 Speaker 1: In the end, Harry has something neither Ted nor Todd 626 00:37:45,570 --> 00:37:48,770 Speaker 1: nor any human could have given him. He's paired in 627 00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:52,330 Speaker 1: this world with one of his own. Of all people, 628 00:37:52,890 --> 00:38:01,610 Speaker 1: Ted and Todd should be able to appreciate that. And 629 00:38:01,730 --> 00:38:05,049 Speaker 1: so with this last deed for their brother Don, there's 630 00:38:05,090 --> 00:38:07,170 Speaker 1: only one last deed to do. 631 00:38:07,170 --> 00:38:10,930 Speaker 7: Do you have a sagarette with you? Let's go back 632 00:38:10,930 --> 00:38:15,130 Speaker 7: over here. They're gonna give us so much of ship 633 00:38:15,170 --> 00:38:20,610 Speaker 7: about it. I don't know to deal with these shirts, 634 00:38:20,610 --> 00:38:23,730 Speaker 7: no fucking hockets, No this, honey, mad youre always go everything. 635 00:38:23,770 --> 00:38:25,210 Speaker 7: I gotta mature in the market. 636 00:39:09,210 --> 00:39:13,770 Speaker 13: That the furnitures returning. 637 00:39:12,810 --> 00:39:20,690 Speaker 4: To its goodwill home. Now that the last month's rent 638 00:39:20,770 --> 00:39:25,370 Speaker 4: is scheme with the damage to pros, take this moment 639 00:39:25,490 --> 00:39:30,970 Speaker 4: to do so, if we meant it, if we talk 640 00:39:33,250 --> 00:39:38,730 Speaker 4: were felt around for five from things Good. 641 00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:47,650 Speaker 1: Accidentally, this episode of Heavyweight was produced by Phoebe Flanagan, 642 00:39:47,730 --> 00:39:51,610 Speaker 1: Mohemy mcgouger, and me Jonathan Goldstein. Our Senior producer is 643 00:39:51,690 --> 00:39:55,569 Speaker 1: Khaleila holt Our, Supervising Producer is Stevie Lane. Special thanks 644 00:39:55,570 --> 00:39:59,250 Speaker 1: to mime O'Donnell, Lauren Silverman and Catherine Brewer. And special 645 00:39:59,290 --> 00:40:02,450 Speaker 1: thanks as always to the one and only Jackie Cohen. 646 00:40:02,970 --> 00:40:06,410 Speaker 1: Editorial guidance from Emily Condon. 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