1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and this is Samantha, and welcome 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: to Stuff. I never till to your prediction of I 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: heart Radios how stuff works. In our last episode, UM, 4 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: we talked about the gendering of food most mostly men 5 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: and meat in order that whole mant not that specifically. UM. 6 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 1: I have heard that in advertising language, so I thought 7 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: of that later. UM. And today we're talking about the 8 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: gendering of alcohols UM. So before we start, UM, drink responsibly. 9 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: If alcohol is a trigger for you, it would probably 10 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: be a good idea to not listen to this one. UM. 11 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: And we're going to briefly, very briefly. UM just mentioned 12 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 1: things like sexual assault and violence, domestic violence. So UM, 13 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: if that is a trigger for you as well, UM, 14 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: just letting you know, right, stop right it stop right 15 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: at the start, that's where we are, or that stops. 16 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: Today has been a really goofy day. I am not 17 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: sure what's going on. And we have not had any alcohol. 18 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: You d up over here. It's water okay, okay, okay, 19 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: trying to stay hydrated. Yes, okay. So I think a 20 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: popular way of thinking about it when we're talking about 21 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: the gendering alcohol is beers for men wine is for 22 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: women or I usually hear like darker things, darker alcohols men, 23 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: lighter alcohols women. Um, you know, it'll put hair on 24 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: your chest. That's what they say. They say that about everything. 25 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: Spicy foods puts hair on your chest. Did they say 26 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: that about spicy fol Now, I feel like I've heard that. 27 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,919 Speaker 1: I like how you immediately backchecked. I say, yes, okay, Um, 28 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: so doing something that burns, I guess yes, I think 29 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: that burns, which is thought too. It's believed that darker 30 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: alcohols have more of a burn, and sometimes they do, 31 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: but not always, not always. Um. And we have done 32 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: past episodes looking at the history of beer, um, and 33 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: whiskey when it comes to this whole thing specifically, if 34 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: you want to check those out. And I know that 35 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: I've talked about on this show that the fairly common 36 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: gross response that I get from men when I order whiskey, UM, 37 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: that that it implies I'm a slutty Are I'm ready 38 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: to have sex with sex with you? I don't know, 39 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: like ding whiskey, yeah, oh yeah about whiskey, oh yeah. Um. 40 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: I think that we're going to talk about that a 41 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: little bit later. But the ads for whiskey are very 42 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: that's for all alcohols very sexual. Obviously, Yes, I think 43 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: when it comes to whisky, ala think of more like 44 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: grungier type of things. So for even women like I'm 45 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 1: thinking of people who for some reason I have in 46 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: my head a woman who may have just had been 47 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: one of the boys, essentially kimen having a whiskey drink 48 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: with them, obviously being one of the guys, not so 49 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: much to be slutty. Well, it's interesting you say that 50 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 1: because that is a very commonly held belief. I found 51 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 1: so many articles. I did not realize how much your 52 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: drink choice apparently says about you according to the Internet. 53 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that's like a BuzzFeed quiz in itself about you. Um. 54 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: There's an infamous article that I'm going to quote a 55 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,399 Speaker 1: little bit later that breaks down the difference between women 56 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: who drink vodka and women who drink whiskey. And one 57 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: of the things is if she drinks whiskey, she can 58 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: hang with the guy. Um. And it's written in a 59 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: way that I can tell the author thinks he's being 60 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: complimentary of both women, but it's like, clearly not exactly 61 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: in my opinion. Um, And we've all seen the joke 62 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: in our media of a girly or weak drink, and like, um, 63 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: the fact that girly drink even exists as a term, right, 64 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: that says a lot right there. Um And when dude 65 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: orders of fruity drink or a girly drink, I always 66 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: think of scrubs. Um. When j d orders an apple 67 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: tini please easy on the tea, right, and I think of, 68 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: um the New Girls episode where Winston because he gets 69 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: the girly fruity mixes that Nick makes mainly for girls, 70 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: and he goes, was like, that makes a naughty look 71 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: at me being naughty. It's so interesting to be that 72 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: this exists. I mean, oh, I will say my family, 73 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: this is reverse. This is like completely reversed. The men 74 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: in my family do not drink barely any and when 75 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: they do, they drink quote girly drink sweeter things. That's 76 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: my friend group too. Most of my friends are the opposite. 77 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: The girls like the whiskey and the dark beers, and 78 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: the guys like things vodka ish. I love gent too, 79 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: but stuff like that. Alana lines, yeah, yeah, And I 80 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: think in my case, like my mom on side of 81 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: the family, they're they're drinkers. Um and so it's not really. 82 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: I haven't encountered too much of this until I like 83 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: went out started going out on my own, and then 84 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 1: people are like, what are you doing ordering that whiskey? 85 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: You can't handle that little lady? You wont never called you. 86 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: A little later, somebody you want to punch me? Why 87 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: do people keep thinking that they can call you random 88 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: things like that? Oh my gosh, Um, I get this 89 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: all the time. And then I recently was buying a 90 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: bottle of Rose and the dude near me um called 91 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: me princess. I said to his dude friend, Lily, she's 92 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,559 Speaker 1: buying it because she's pretty, like he was talking about 93 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: me in third person. He addressed me and then did 94 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: this in third person, like, well, clearly he doesn't view 95 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: me as a human being, right, Okay, so, like, how 96 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: does such a weird concept? I will say, I don't 97 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: love rose myself, just because I don't like the taste 98 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: per se, but it definitely was my beginner drink. That's 99 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: that's really interesting because rose to I didn't even try 100 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: it until a couple of years ago when it took off. 101 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: Now it's big, like the rose has kind of gotten 102 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: his niche. But yeah, that was my beginner drink. Wow. Really, 103 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: you know, we just did an episode in Rose Over 104 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: on my other show, Saver. And one of the big 105 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: reasons side note people think it took off is because 106 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: it is millennial pink, and that color took off and 107 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: people just like taking pictures with the color. Oh is 108 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: it an instagram worthy? It's apparently it is very instagram herb. Interesting. 109 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: I just remember thinking I didn't like shardonay because that's 110 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: too abrupt and dry from me, so that's not something 111 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: I would ever drink. I don't like Chardonnay's, but then 112 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: to start off going deep red was too much. So 113 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: someone just handed me a light pink drink. I was like, oh, look, 114 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: it's like in the middle. Yes, that's my thought. Okay, well, 115 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: you're learning a lot about our drinking preferences. So if 116 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: you want to send me something, don't do it Rose. 117 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: I'll take it. I'll take it. So let's start with 118 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: some brief history here. The alcohol industry and women for 119 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: a long time until our like more recent history have 120 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: not gotten along. And I mean you can argue even now, 121 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: don't um. The industry funneled a lot of money to 122 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: politicians who promised to prevent women's suffrage, probably because women 123 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: have been big proponents of the temperance movement and prohibition. 124 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: Throughout history, women drinking in public has been frowned upon 125 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: and judged as lewd or crass, too manly. And this 126 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: is again sort of more recent history, because in ancient 127 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: times it wasn't necessarily that right, but like you know, 128 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: it got a flip and became unladylike do such things 129 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: it did? Who knows what you'll say a curse word 130 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: in public? What me? Never? No? Never? Uh. And now 131 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: that women are allowed to drink in public relatively free 132 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: from scoring, or at least compared to this, because we're 133 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: gonna get into that more later, you're not necessarily free 134 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: from scoring, the industry has changed its tune, especially since 135 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: the rate of women drinking has consistently been going up 136 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: as compared to men were to sort of plateau to 137 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:09,239 Speaker 1: stayed the same. In the pent of whiskey, drinkers were women. 138 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: Nowadays that's closer to thirty seven percent. Gendered marketing and 139 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: products around alcohol is all kinds of messed up. Um. 140 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: There are tampon flasks, uh, the wine rack, which is 141 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: a brawl that you can fill with wine. Right. I 142 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: feel like a lot of this is basically though, because 143 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: people think that men are afraid of things like tampons, 144 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: one thing you won't check. It's true, That's what it 145 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: said when I was reading, like because at first I thought, 146 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: is this like something you? So I wanted to read 147 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: the product description and uh uh no. Yeah, it's because 148 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: people are afraid of checking tampons, which hilarious, yes, hilarious 149 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: and sad. The alcohol industry is pretty notorious for gendered marketing. 150 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 1: Experts have compared it to how we gender toys when 151 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: it comes to alcohol. Most of these follow the traditional 152 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: stereotypes that men are aggressive and tough and women need 153 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: to be concerned about their weight and their beauty. Right, um, 154 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: and this has negative side effects on so many levels, 155 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: but in terms of weight and drinking, this pressure can 156 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: lead to unhealthy behaviors like drunk rexia. We've talked about 157 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: that before, um and bene drinking right and with the 158 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: drunk rexia and whole gender idea, because that's what you 159 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: were talking about the tampon thing. It's true people did 160 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: soak um alcohol on the tampon and get extreme drunk 161 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: without all the calories. That was part of that. So yeah, 162 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: you're right, you're there's a lot of weird concepts, dangerous 163 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: and unhealthy. Interestingly, a lot of brands have leaned harder 164 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: into masculine marketing even though more women are drinking, and 165 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: this is because again, masculine equals better in our society. 166 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: Women can quote drink with the men um, but men 167 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: do not want to be caught drinking what women drink. 168 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: And this is all generalization because I definitely have some 169 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: male friends in my life that do not care right 170 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: order whatever they want, and I love it. Get that 171 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 1: girly drink such thing. There is no such thing. There's 172 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:14,359 Speaker 1: drinks that you like, tastes differently two different people, exactly 173 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: from a nine studies so a little dated, but I 174 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: thought interesting called gender Expectations for alcohol use a study 175 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: of the significance of the masculine role. Sex differences in 176 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: drinking behavior appear related to two variables, one sex differences 177 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: in the purpose and meaning of drinking, and two differences 178 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: in attitudes regarding the acceptability of drinking and drunkenness among 179 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: women and men. Regarding the first variable, data on sex 180 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: differences in where, when, and how drinking occurs suggests that 181 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: it has a different meaning for the sexes. Women tend 182 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 1: to drink wine, tend to drink slowly, drink with family 183 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: members or at parties, drink on special occasions, drink on Saturdays, 184 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: and drink to celebrate events and dates. This style of 185 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: drinking suggests that drinking is a social ritual for women, 186 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: serving to allow women to celebrate and solidify their bonds 187 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: with others and to reinforce and maintain their social bonds. Men, 188 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: on the other hand, tend to drink with same sex 189 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: friends or acquaintances, drinking bars, in the company of strangers, 190 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: drink irrespective of special occasions, drink beer, and drink fast. 191 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: In addition, men to drink for the effect of drinking 192 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 1: to get high or drunk, and they're drinking is more 193 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: likely than women's to be associated with antisocial consequences. This 194 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: style of drinking is also seen as a social ritual, serving, 195 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: in this case to allow males to denigrate, deny our 196 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: weakened bonds with others, and to violate rules and rules 197 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: occupied by others. Thus, men's usual style drinking has been 198 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: called quote individual egotistic. This literature indicates that drinking for 199 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: women seems symbolic of attachments to others and appears to 200 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: serve expressive communal purposes. In contrast, drinking for men seems 201 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: symbolic of detachment from others and appears to serve instrumental 202 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: agency purposes. Sex differences and drinking behavior then are partially 203 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: a product of gendered stereotyped differences in the meaning our 204 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: purpose of drinking, and that has been like, that's an 205 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: older study, but that has been born out in many 206 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: more recent studies, UM, and I found. I did find 207 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: several articles looking into this whole thing in different countries, 208 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: like in Nigeria or Estonia, and in general, they seem 209 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 1: to find that men saw drinking and quote being able 210 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: to hold your liquor as a manly thing, and women 211 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: seem to find drinking in public not necessarily good for 212 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: your reputation. There are also country specific and race specific 213 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: stereotypes when it comes to drinking and tolerance, and I'm 214 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: sure we've all heard some of those, um from the 215 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: World Health Organization. Quote. First, compared with women throughout the world, 216 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: men are more likely to drink, consume more alcohol, and 217 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: cause more problems by doing so. This gender gap is 218 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: one of the few universal gender differences in human social 219 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: behavior right. Actually was looking at the National Institute of 220 00:12:55,920 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 1: Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism and I actually break it down ethnicity, 221 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,599 Speaker 1: including from the Latina culture to the African American to 222 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: Asian Americans and going down to the differences and even 223 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 1: the health of effects. You and I were talking about earlier, 224 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: the Asian flush as I have called it, and it 225 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: talks about of Asians who suffer because of that specific 226 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: type of gene that causes you to flush and not 227 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 1: be able to process the alcohol, which apparently has different 228 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: causes like whether you drink too fast, drink too slow, 229 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: to drinking all these different things. Um, but it is 230 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 1: interesting to see the cultural practices and each one is 231 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: pretty similar as what was saying about what's normal and 232 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: what's accepted and was not accepted, what's religious, was not religious, 233 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: and it goes on different levels. Pretty fascinating to read 234 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: through all of that. Yeah, there is a lot of 235 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: data out there, a lot. I was kind of taken 236 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: aback and surprised by how much, which is a wonderful thing, 237 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: or we can always use more, especially you know that's 238 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: more inclusive. But going back to that who report, Well, 239 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: I guess w H O, I always say who today. UH. 240 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: Report goes into possible reasons why uh there is this 241 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: universal difference in drinking behavior, and the first reason they 242 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: listed is power. Drinking alcohol has historically been a signifier 243 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: of male power relative to women's lack of power, a 244 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: privilege often denied to women, particularly in public. I do 245 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: remember reading about um in the fifties American housewives who 246 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: would be in the kitchen they would sneak shots of 247 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: whatever while they were cooking or praying because it wasn't 248 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: ladylike to drink in public or you know, in your 249 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: own household in front of men. Um. When it comes 250 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: to health and metabolism, women typically are believed to be 251 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: more vulnerable to alcohol. They get drunk er faster when 252 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: consuming the same amount as a similarly sized man. Women 253 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: develop alcohol induced liver disease more quickly than men, and 254 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: possibly the same is true for alcohol induced brain damage. 255 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: Another interesting thing I found is that alcohol interacts with 256 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: your hormone level, meaning that fluctuations and your hormones might 257 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: lead to a higher a lower relative rate of intoxication. 258 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: So the week before a woman starts her period, she'll 259 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: get more intoxicated and stay that way for longer. Same 260 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: thing with oral contraceptives. That same report found that men 261 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: who believed that alcohol would lead to pleasurable outcomes drink 262 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: more heavily, while women heavy drinkers often did it to 263 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: reduce stress. A handful of studies have shown a strong 264 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: relationship between drinking behavior and women and sexual victimization or violence. 265 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: Men are twice as likely to develop alcoholism. Researchers think 266 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: this might be because given the same amount of alcohol, 267 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: men experience more of a dopamine release as compared to women. 268 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: According to numbers reported on by time, of beer drinkers 269 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: are men, all of wine drinkers are women. I believe 270 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: this was from so it was fairly recent. Um. And 271 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: I when I was thinking about this, I was wondering 272 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: if it's it goes back to the health thing that 273 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: we kind of talked about in our men like meet 274 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: women like salad episode um. Because there was that study. Uh, 275 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying it's true. I don't remember, but 276 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: there was that study that like a glass of red wine, yeah, 277 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: it's antioxidants in it um or are probably I have 278 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: friends who don't like drinking beer because they get bloated. 279 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: I don't like how they look when they drink it. Um. So, 280 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but this brings us to the relationship 281 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: between men and beer in our culture, because beer is 282 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: the quintessential dudes drink according to our media and general 283 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: pop culture narrative. I do think that that is changing. Um. 284 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: Or it could be that I just run in a 285 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: circle of beer drinkers. I'm not sure, but I do 286 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: hear a lot of women don't like beer. It makes 287 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: them bloated, or it's too bitter, it's too carbi. I 288 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: hear a lot of that stuff. I don't necessarily see 289 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: a lot of it. Um. But the cool girl she 290 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: rears her head again from the article I referenced earlier. 291 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: It's a Thought Catalog article called seven reasons you need 292 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: to date a woman who likes beer. Oh, never mind, 293 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 1: this is a different article, but they're in the same 294 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: vein um quote. A true girl who is one of 295 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: the guys. Well, she's not afraid to look like a fool. 296 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: She laughs a lot, often at herself. She makes reckless 297 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: decisions but owns up to the consequences. She purps, she shouts, 298 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: She tells you to golf when you deserve it. She 299 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: likes sports. She likes video games and comic books. She's 300 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 1: a flip cup beer pong champion. She's not afraid to 301 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: have an imagination. She's not afraid to dream big and 302 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: fail often. She doesn't care what you think of her? Wait? 303 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: Was this written by a woman? Round? Man? Yeah? Go golf? 304 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: How about that? Seriously? Yeah? And I'm not even drinking 305 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: a dawn bear? How about that yet? Really? Yes, that's 306 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: like the whole You're everything, You're a beautifu well, and 307 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: you don't even know it will come on? I like, 308 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: she doesn't care what you think of her, because but 309 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: yet she's doing this for you obviously, Well in the 310 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: vein of this then yeah, oh my goodness, and another 311 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: reason according to this article quote, I'll just leave this 312 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: little tidbit right here for everyone. According to the dating 313 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 1: website okay Cupid, the single most accurate indication of whether 314 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: or not a woman will have sex with a man 315 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: on a first date is directly correlated to how they 316 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: answer this question, do you like the taste of beer? 317 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: In fact, just under seventy of women who answer that 318 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: question yes are ready to throw down in the bedroom. Okay, 319 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: how did I even get that statistic? I don't know 320 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: where did they find a statistic. They do a lot 321 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: of data collection. I get the like, come on, well, 322 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: I agree, And that's why I included that quote because 323 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,959 Speaker 1: it blew my mind. And then this is the one 324 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: I referenced earlier from Elite Daily Vodka drink or are 325 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: girly girls whiskey drinkers before the Company of Mint? I 326 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: mean that basically most drinks we like is one citrus, 327 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: one part citrus sweetener right even low right now, like 328 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: beer even is a sour phenomenon happening, not happening, has happened, 329 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: and it has been big in the last few years. 330 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: That's very much fruity beers essentially, what yeah, um, there 331 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: is Ron Swanson comes up again. This is so funny 332 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: because he came up in our previous episode. But he 333 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: has a quote clear liquors for which women on diets. Uh, 334 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: And I will say, like Ron Swanson is the pitome 335 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: of he is like the manly right so that I 336 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: think that that's why he keeps yeah um, shot of 337 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: whiskey and a shot of vodka. Just if why I 338 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 1: have the same calorie count. I would assume this has 339 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: more to do with the fact that vodka is usually 340 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: a mixer for girly sweet drinks, but again it true 341 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: sometimes I like whiskey and coke. That's a common uh drink. 342 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: I don't understand. I always remember, um that scene from 343 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: The Departed when Leonardo DiCaprio's character orders the vodka cranberry 344 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: and the bartender was like, what are you on your period? Um, 345 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: which is both the vodka and cranberry stereotype coming together. 346 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: Terminology we use like strong versus weak drinks, implying that 347 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: drinks with more alcohol are for the strong. And yes, 348 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: I get the idea of it being stronger in the 349 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: sense of there's more alcohol in it, but there's still 350 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: that implication that by drinking it, you yourself are stronger. 351 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: You can hold your alcohol, you can handle the burn, right. 352 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: Holding your alcohol is a sign of strength, which is 353 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,959 Speaker 1: super weird too. It is because essentially, I mean, I 354 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: feel like the sign of strength is to recognize your 355 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: body is saying, you know what, no more, I gotta 356 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: stop out. I'm good. Let's drink some water now. Um. 357 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: One study out of the University of South Florida found 358 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: that for some men, drinking beer is a pub display 359 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: a masculinity and heterosexuality. Of course, many people who drink 360 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: beer also like the taste, but that I found that 361 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: very interesting finding. Um. I've also heard tales from my 362 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: male friends about being judged for not liking beer or 363 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: otherwise preferring girly drinks, kind of like you're ordering a 364 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: girly drink. I do. I walk out a brewery and 365 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: I do have oftentimes the boyfriend coming to tell me 366 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: how their girlfriend does not like beer and just like, 367 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: can you can you recommend something? My girlfriend doesn't like beer? 368 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, that's fine. But then I have 369 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: just as many they're like, I don't like anything but 370 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 1: sweet drinks essentially, is what they tell me, And I 371 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: kind of just look at them, like, well, let me 372 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: help you out. But I feel like it's a pretty 373 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: even number, or maybe just one's more willing to admit 374 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: if they don't like it, as others will drink just 375 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: to drink. Yeah. Yeah, And I I went on, I 376 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: read this whole detive looking into I didn't include a 377 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: lot of it here, but why is it true that 378 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: women just don't like beer as much? Like? Is there 379 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: some kind of genetic taste thing going on? Like they 380 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: taste bitter more. But the article I couldn't really prove 381 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: anything except that beer used to be a lot worse, 382 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: Like it was just bad beer, and so some people 383 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:26,719 Speaker 1: um grew up with kind of just not great tasting beer. Um. 384 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: And that was where that that article ended that perhaps 385 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: a lot of women just haven't tried anything beyond right. 386 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: I think that's a lot of people. They don't understand 387 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: the craft of beer essentially anymore. And because you had 388 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: the one light beer or these two things that are 389 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: not the best, which I've always liked the taste of beer, 390 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: but as you become more and more familiar with the 391 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: culture behind it, you are discovering new ways of having 392 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: beer essentially, and it makes a big difference. But a 393 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: lot of people don't understand what it is or the 394 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: phenomenon behind it. Yeah. And and to clarify that that 395 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: article I was talking about was very much in the 396 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: U S. The U S didn't have much of a 397 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: crappier scene until semi recently, right, Um. But also like, 398 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: if you don't like beer, that's all good. Yeah, you 399 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: don't like beer, you don't like exactly exactly. And my 400 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: family was kind of like, you're gonna like beer? Sweet? What? Well? 401 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: I just remember thinking, and I had this about a 402 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: lot of foods, actually foods. If I didn't like something 403 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: but I wanted to like it, I would keep trying 404 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 1: until I found something that I like. And a lot 405 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: of my favorite foods now I did not like until 406 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: I just kept eating them, eating them, and now I 407 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: like them. So that's what they did for you with beer. 408 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: That's why I did to myself with thought. You said 409 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: your family, Well, because everybody in my mom's side family 410 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: is a very big social thing. Okay, yeah, I was 411 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: gonna say, it's like my mom trying to make me 412 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: like mayo. I still don't like it, but she would 413 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: try to sneak it in my food. Oh, I feel 414 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: like you have to want it. And even then, again 415 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: this is very specific to me. I'm never if someone 416 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: tells me they don't like something, I believe you, Right, 417 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: I accepted and move on. Yes, In general, men drinking 418 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: in public has long been more socially accepted, even at 419 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: work until learn more recent times with things like the 420 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: three Martini lunch, which if you don't know about, there 421 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: was all this like politics involved around it in seventies. 422 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: You should look it up is fascinating um or mad 423 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: men esque style drinking when it comes to the darker drinks. 424 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: For men, thing darker drinks UM, rightfully or not come 425 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: with a perception of being harder or stronger both, and 426 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 1: this did used to be the case until the nineteenth century. Generally, 427 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: darker liquors were bottled at a higher proof and this 428 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: had to do with aging, the aging process adding flavor, 429 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: whereas all for a lot of clear liquors, if you 430 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: age it, it won't necessarily add flavor. But that whole 431 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: darker liquor being stronger is not always the case these days. UM. 432 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: Some studies looking into increased violence when drinking as partly 433 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: an observed behavior believed be acceptable in this context among men. 434 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: If you if you witness it seems like if you're drinking, 435 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: I can behave in a certain wine. Um. Which is 436 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: that has a lot of consequences for um, so many, 437 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 1: so many social issues. Okay, so that's kind of the 438 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: the beer slash masculine side of this, which brings us 439 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: to the feminine side of it. Um. But first it 440 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: brings us to a quick break for words from our sponsor, 441 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you sponsor. Um, and we're back 442 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: with the question. Is women women like wine? Yes, and 443 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: usually white wine. I find is the stereotype specifically white wine. 444 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: Again going back to the like lighter thing versus the thing. Um, 445 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 1: and I kept every article I was reading about this 446 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 1: mentioned mommy juice. Really, yeah, I see all the things 447 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: because you know, you see those cute little um retro 448 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: photos with some kind of snarky writing, you know, talking 449 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 1: about the nineteen fifties house moms or something, and it's 450 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: definitely talking about martinis. Yeah. I remember I dressed up 451 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: as quote unquote uh fifties housewife and I had a 452 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: martini glass as one of my props. Oh. Really, I 453 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: feel like martinis were just huge. I guess so, because 454 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: it's also same thing with men in the James Bond. Yeah, 455 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: there there was a diet that I find funny. Now 456 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure it wasn't funny then, but there's a diet 457 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: called like the the Steak Diet, the Man Steak diet. 458 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: It was a diet forum in and it was you 459 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: have to eat at least one steak a day and 460 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: drink at least one martin. Are you talking about this 461 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 1: in the other episode? Okay, that's weird. It's a it's 462 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 1: a real thing, and I feel like it was just 463 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,239 Speaker 1: dudes being I wanted mistake, drink my martini and not 464 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: have anybody give me a cuff about it, right right, Yeah, 465 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: But that's what I guess in my head is like 466 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: I always see get Mommy a martini. That's how I've 467 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: seen it. I'll definitely see the white wine too. This 468 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: chardonnay has always been kind of the mama drink as well, 469 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: it seemed. Yeah, I feel like it's just become a 470 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 1: kind of a meme almost like that you're your mom 471 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: and you can you can drink too. Um. We did 472 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,719 Speaker 1: an episode a while back on women drinking more wine 473 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: in general to deal with the patriarchy and because because 474 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: women are drinking more, and going back to that reason 475 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: why women drink that we mentioned earlier is usually either 476 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: social or to deal with stress. Um, and sometimes that 477 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: that can I'm sure overlap. Yeah, that's the happy hours 478 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 1: happy um. But looking at something like Mommy juice, that 479 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: name does suggest, um, see, we are more than just mom. 480 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: We have other dimensions, and we often see or here 481 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: women saying stuff like this like I've earned this, I 482 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 1: needed this it might be your friends advice when you're 483 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: going through something, um, get get some wine or get beer, 484 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: whatever it is. Newly sober writer Christie Coulter over at 485 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: Vox wrote quote, maybe all that wine is an Instagram 486 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 1: filter for our own lives, so we don't see how 487 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: sallow and cracked they've become. It's quite the read. And 488 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: women do have a different set of fears when it 489 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: comes to drinking. I mean, one of the obvious ones 490 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 1: being someone's going to put something in your drink. Uh. 491 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: Fear of sexual assaults is frequently a factor, um, even 492 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: subconsciously for how much a woman drinks in public. There 493 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: have been surveys looking at like why, trying to get 494 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: to the bottom of why women drink less in general 495 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: than men um, and that was that was a big reason. Um. 496 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: A lot of women linked public drunkenness, who spoiled sexual 497 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: reputation are are being judged more harshly. And I have 498 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: so I've seen this. If a you're just super intoxicated, 499 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, Jim was wasted, It's so funny. But 500 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: if a woman is super intoxicated, it's like, look how 501 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: pathetic and sad she is. She's so sloppy, like poor 502 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: poor thing. Um. Last year, when I was at Dragon Con, 503 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: I dropped a beer bottle and it shattered, and I 504 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: wasn't drunk or tipsy, but I have my Captain America 505 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: shield and my Winter Soldier arm and all these superhero gears, 506 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: and that conduce him calling it drink. It turns out 507 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: I was trying to text somebody too much was happening. Um. 508 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: I have seen people with coozies and they Captain Ricord 509 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: was going to say, don't you have like a cup 510 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: holder in your Captain. I feel like I'd forget and 511 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: I'd like put it. I would lean let it drop 512 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: and it would fall out anyway, I'm looking into it. 513 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: But people did the most dramatic of movie gasp and 514 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: they started whispering. Um. I felt so horrible and embarrassed 515 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: by it. Um, And my brain still keeps getting up 516 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: at night about this. It's one of those things you 517 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: know when your brain is like, remember that's time you 518 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: did this really ridiculous thing. Yeah, and I'll probably see 519 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: I was with people I kind of if we see 520 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: each other every year at dragon Con, but we don't 521 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: know each other super well. Um, so I'll probably see 522 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: them again this year, and I bet you, I bet you. 523 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: I bet either dropping a bottle Yeah cute. I would 524 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: have been more concerned if I felt or something. That's 525 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: the thing is, like I get it at Dragon Con 526 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: because people are usually drunk and I usually get drunk, right, 527 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: But in this particular instance, I wasn't. I'm just clumsy, 528 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: and no one believed me about it. It's so weird. Yeah, 529 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: And I well, if anyone I saw that the Winter 530 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: Soldier dropped the bottle of beer outside of the Marriott, 531 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: that was me. That was me. Another thing women sided 532 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: when it came to concerns around drinking in public or 533 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: how much they would drink in public. Is the value 534 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: of social currency online diminished when photos of unflattering drunken 535 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: behavior are posted. And like a lot of them said, 536 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: they go out and untagged. Yeah yeah, if they're in 537 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: a picture where it doesn't look but they don't like 538 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: how it looks. If they just think they look drunk. 539 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, I mean at this point in time 540 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: with social media, you could lose a job. That teacher 541 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: who had a drink in her hand. Nothing implied she 542 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: was drunk, nothing implied she was anywhere. When your kids, 543 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: but she lost her job as a teacher. That was absurd. Yeah, 544 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: I sometimes struggle with Like I said, I don't and 545 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: my family drinking wasn't it was just kind of a thing. Um. 546 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: So I didn't really grow up with this mentality that 547 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people have. So sometimes I 548 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: forget and like, to me, you can just have one 549 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: drink at lunch and that's fine. But I've been around 550 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: people who are clearly uncomfortable when I do that, right. 551 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm definitely one of those that didn't grow 552 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: up with it. So having alcohol in my pictures not 553 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: my favorite thing. Yeah, as well as the fact that 554 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: I do work for state governed so I'm very very cautious. 555 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: I try to hide as many things as possible. Of course, 556 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: to certain extent, I'm like, this is just being an 557 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: adult and being active and there's nothing truly wrong here. However, 558 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: it does go through my mind, I'm like, how how 559 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: does this how is this gonna be perceived? Yes? Yes, um. 560 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: And something else a lot of women cited when they 561 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: were talking about UM concerns around drinking was in general, 562 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: UM pregnancy, that it might be pregnant and not know it. 563 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: UM and that is something else. Researchers have looked into 564 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: the fact that women do have to give up alcohol 565 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: if they become pregnant. Is this somehow like a lot 566 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: of women give it up and then don't return to it. Um. 567 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: And then something else, a loss of custody of a child. Well, 568 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: now there's one more thing with the new laws is 569 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: coming about. Is um possibly endangering children since now we 570 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: have the new prenatal laws when it comes to help 571 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: an abuse of fetuses. So that's one more thing that's 572 00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: going to have to be something for women to think on. 573 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: So there is a lot of different a different set 574 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,239 Speaker 1: of fears, shall we say, um, And for me, I 575 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: do feel like a lot of the drinking that women 576 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: do is done within the bounds of femininity, whether that's 577 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: the intention or not. Like, um, it's acceptable for women 578 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: to drink light beer, are skinny wine, which is a 579 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: brand because doing so, you're still recognizing beauty as your 580 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: social currency. Um, you can drink, but only if you 581 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: stick to these rules or you're purposefully going against them 582 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: to be again one of the guys. Um. But more 583 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: and more we are bucking that and people people know, 584 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: I love light beer when you're outside or you're in 585 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: it for a long all like if you're at an 586 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: all day type thing. I love it. And what I 587 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: don't love is that people always always make fun of 588 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: me for it or imply I'm a basic bitch. And 589 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: then as the day goes on, what did they start 590 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: drinking the light beer that I brought to the party, 591 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: Like this is a very personal thing for you. It 592 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: makes me so mad. Um, So I don't want to 593 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: judge anyone, Like when I say drinking is done the 594 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: bounds of femininity. I like a lot of these things, 595 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: right right, I was gonna say, I definitely will try 596 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: to limit caloric and take as well when it comes 597 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: to drinking, because it does stuck up so high and 598 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: I am more likely to do the lighter things if 599 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: I know I'm going for the long haul as well. 600 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 1: But typically I don't don't buy light beers. I think 601 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: I've done the whole. Can we talk about basic bitch, which, 602 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,839 Speaker 1: by the way, is not a great term and awful, 603 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: um not a great term. It's not It's not nice 604 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: in general. But I've started buying the Saltser waters hard 605 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: Seltzer water partially because of that whole. Okay, I want 606 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: to drink something, and I want something in light, but 607 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to, you know, end up all in Yeah, 608 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: in the first hour. That is a big trend that's happening, 609 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,919 Speaker 1: um of movement towards a lower A B v um 610 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,760 Speaker 1: drinks and also something that I'm really happy to see, 611 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: um more nonalcoholic drinks because I do have several friends 612 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: who are sober, and every time I see nonalcoholic drink 613 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 1: section on a menu that is more than just soda, um, 614 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: soda and water, it makes me very, very happy. And 615 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: without the gluten free stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I have a 616 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: friend who is Celiac and she misses beard desperately, so 617 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: gets so excited when she sees a gluten free option. Um. 618 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: And and we did do an episode on nonalcoholic drinks 619 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: on on other show, Saver, and I caught myself almost 620 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: saying something like not a real drink, which is total nonsense. 621 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: So that's something that I've been I had to like 622 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 1: reframe in my own mind. Um. But they're there are 623 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: other positive things too. There's a couple of clubs like 624 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: Women Who Whiskey, which is a whiskey club with twenty 625 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 1: chapters across the US. UM there are more women involved 626 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: in things like brewing and distilling. Right. Speaking of societies 627 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: or clubs, Pink Boot Society is a focus on female 628 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: breweries as well. That's kind of opened up very big 629 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: um around the country as well. In the country, maybe 630 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,280 Speaker 1: even more just around people. They've been around, they're they're around, 631 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 1: they're around, they're around um as well as different brewers 632 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: have been popping up as being female owned, which is fantastic. Uh. 633 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: And when we're getting more and more women who we've 634 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: already talked about it, I know that the original brewers female, 635 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: um and what that looks like as well as the 636 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 1: fact um trying to come back into the fact that 637 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: women do like beer. Surprise. One of my friends started 638 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: a festival, Dames and Drugs in celebrating women in the 639 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: brewing industry. And usually that brings about having different local 640 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 1: brewery to bring in their female employees to create a 641 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 1: beer on their own if they're not already doing it, 642 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: which is fantastic. I think it's slowly up and coming 643 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 1: as well as if that yeah, I actually know about beers. 644 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 1: I actually know about hops and grains and you know 645 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: the aging process, surprised, and I can tell you what 646 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: you may or may not like. I am actually good 647 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 1: at beers. You are you you are? There's a what 648 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,839 Speaker 1: is now kind of a funny picture of us, several 649 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: funny pictures we do. We had several run ins before 650 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: we became like friends. We I think we'd met each 651 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 1: other in passing. I think this was before we met 652 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: each other though with the initial initial. Yeah, there's a 653 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: picture of I was at an event for the Atlanta 654 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,359 Speaker 1: Science Festival called the Science of Sour Beer, and there's 655 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: a picture of me getting a beer. I was starving 656 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,800 Speaker 1: you a beer. I was. And then our friend Caroline, 657 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: who you know stuff I've never told you, unladylike, was like, wait, YouTube, 658 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: I know both of you. You're in this picture. What 659 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,399 Speaker 1: is going on? One? And I think we were trying 660 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 1: to figure out what was happening and how well. Of 661 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 1: course we've missed each other because we didn't know each 662 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 1: other at that point in time. But yeah, I did 663 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: love that picture because I'm pretty sure well, not only 664 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: were they doing fantastic tours and talking about fermentation and 665 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: sour beers and different fruits and all of that, I 666 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 1: was one of the ones who was also talking about 667 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: these are the types of beers that we have and 668 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,839 Speaker 1: how we do this and what they do with this. 669 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: So I was like, ha, see I know science about beer. Yeah, 670 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: before you knew me. I also ran into Martin Freeman 671 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: that day. I was wearing a Captain America's shirt and 672 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: he gave me the old point It seems like a 673 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,800 Speaker 1: point not kind of guy, and I was I played 674 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,839 Speaker 1: it cool because I went cool. Um. One other thing 675 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 1: I did want to add, going back to the non 676 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: alcoholic drinks, because I just got kind of curious. Um, 677 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 1: why do we call them? Sometimes call them virgin? And 678 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 1: it comes from during the nineteen twenties in America, was 679 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 1: the height of temperance and prohibition. It meant pure and 680 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: untouched course by sin, like, oh, touched for the very 681 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: first time? Are you doing a lot of singing? I look, 682 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 1: this is all you can contribute today. Maybe Madonna got 683 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: got her inspiration from this. Um. In March, Scottish Parliament 684 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,799 Speaker 1: held an event looking into the sexualization of women in 685 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 1: alcohol advertising. Two of the report authors said, quote, although 686 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: men are about twice as likely as women to die 687 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 1: from alcohol related causes, media discussion often focuses on the 688 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:40,320 Speaker 1: perceived problem of women's drinking with moralistic and stigmatizing attitudes, 689 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: featuring strongly in public discussions. We've been trying to explore 690 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 1: why this happens and to suggest how we can counter 691 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 1: cynical marketing by alcohol producers that exploit rather than emancipate women, 692 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 1: as well as suggesting how support services can be more 693 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,720 Speaker 1: women friendly. And the chief executive over at the Institute 694 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 1: for Alcohol Studies, Catherine Around, said, the sexualization of women 695 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: in our marketing maybe working to undermine gender equality and 696 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 1: ultimately desensitized public attitudes towards domestic abuse and sexual assault. 697 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 1: We need to see an end to such practices and 698 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: learn from other countries such as France, which restrict alcohol 699 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: advertising to protect against adverse outcomes. So that's what happens 700 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 1: with the Queen's Ripe cases. Oftentimes, the first question is 701 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: where you're drinking, where you intoxicated, and this kind of 702 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 1: whole idea that you're responsible if you start drinking, you're 703 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:33,880 Speaker 1: the reason that this happened to you. Dot dot dot Yeah. Um, 704 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: we have some more for you listeners, but first we're 705 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,799 Speaker 1: going to pause for one more quickick for word to 706 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 1: more sponsor and we're back. Thank you sponsor and I 707 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 1: know there is a lot of conversation right now that 708 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:06,279 Speaker 1: I find really fascinating around the idea of and I 709 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 1: think this is this could be said for a lot 710 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 1: of industries because we're just in a time of change 711 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 1: from so much change. But um, kind of this what 712 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 1: for so long has been even though it was started 713 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: by women, perhaps um dominated by men, this male industry 714 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:29,719 Speaker 1: that by drinking, you're dealing with the patriarchy, even though 715 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: you're participating in the patriarchy, Like it's a it's the 716 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 1: male industry telling you, Yeah, you want to drink this, 717 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: you want to be part of the group. You want 718 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 1: to be part of men, women you can. It kind 719 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 1: of reminds me of that whole cigarette thing happened with 720 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: that um and I just I read a lot of 721 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,320 Speaker 1: interesting like I'm still kind of processing it, but pieces 722 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,880 Speaker 1: about um, how women might be drinking because they're so 723 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: frustrated with all the stuff, all of this stuff right 724 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 1: that's happening. I mean, I'm sure we're going to have 725 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,879 Speaker 1: more and more statistics over what's happened in the last 726 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,359 Speaker 1: two years alone with our social climate, and I say 727 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 1: our in the US alone, and how things are being 728 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 1: more and more restricted for the film population in wondering 729 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 1: how high alcoholism you know, problems are because of the 730 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 1: stress level and all of that as you're speaking, because 731 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,359 Speaker 1: I know we've already talked about therapy and SLUCH going 732 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 1: up because of this time frame and just in general, 733 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 1: the overall universal stress that's coming from just politics alone, 734 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 1: just conversations with social expectations alone. Yeah. Um, yeah, there 735 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,759 Speaker 1: are a lot of there's a lot of stuff being 736 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 1: written about it right now, and and like advising you 737 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:54,800 Speaker 1: to not blunts away your your anger with alcohol as women. 738 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 1: But I just I find I find I'm glad this 739 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:03,319 Speaker 1: conversation is happening, um. And and there's also a lot 740 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 1: of conversation, and we didn't really get into it today 741 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 1: about how the alcohol industry targets youth, um with like 742 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,719 Speaker 1: they're they're very sweet kind of it tastes like juice 743 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,840 Speaker 1: or drinks. Um. So that's another problem that, um, that 744 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,439 Speaker 1: we need to we need to look into. I would 745 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 1: love to talk about today's youth. Yes, well we can 746 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 1: do that, we can. But in the meantime, this is 747 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,839 Speaker 1: the end of this episode. We would love to hear 748 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 1: any stereotypes you've encountered, um, anything that any clubs maybe, 749 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 1: or something that you find hopeful about this whole whole situation. 750 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 1: You can email us at Stuff Media, mom Stuff at 751 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,960 Speaker 1: iHeart media dot com. You can find us on Twitter 752 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,239 Speaker 1: at mom Stuff Podcast and on Instagram at Stuff I've 753 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,760 Speaker 1: Never Told You. 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