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Speaker 1: It means I'm back from having a field day at
Speaker 1: Field Day and now I'm gonna have a field day
Speaker 1: with all of the news in pro wrestling, and we
Speaker 1: got a lot of it. Last night was the Dynamite Show,
Speaker 1: which was a great show with an awesome main event.
Speaker 1: I can tell you about that, building up the Rampage
Speaker 1: Show Friday, the Collision Show on Saturday, Forbidden Door in
Speaker 1: a week and a half or so on Sunday, and
Speaker 1: everything that went into the show last night. It's also
Speaker 1: busy weekend. SmackDown is tomorrow night, Rampage is tomorrow night
Speaker 1: with Will Ospray on the show, The Collision shows taking
Speaker 1: place on Saturday from Toronto. We have a lineup and
Speaker 1: look at the ticket sales thus far for that show.
Speaker 1: Have the lineup for Forbidden Door. Thus far only four
Speaker 1: matches officially announced, but there are others to come. And
Speaker 1: we've got to go Home show next Wednesday, and we've
Speaker 1: got a deal with ITV for Collision in the UK.
Speaker 1: Battle of the Belts will still be continuing on. Jimmy
Speaker 1: Jacobs has joined AW as a writer, so a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff aw wise to talk about here today. I'm
Speaker 1: going to presume that Mike Simperbb did the NXT report yesterday.
Speaker 1: If not, I will be very disappointed and I will
Speaker 1: have to do it myself. Otherwise, we'll just talk about
Speaker 1: the NXT ratings because Vine and I will be reviewing
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Speaker 1: and when we come back from the break. Wrestling Observer
Speaker 1: livea begging the show. Bryan Alberrez here Wrestling Observer Live.
Speaker 1: Mike Simberbebi, also of Wrestling Observer dot Com, had a
Speaker 1: lot to get into here today. Tomorrow there is a
Speaker 1: seam Punk interview on ESPN that's going to be out
Speaker 1: and well, we'll talk about it tomorrow. But it was
Speaker 1: pre taped and it was the talk of the locker
Speaker 1: room last night, and I obviously have not seen it yet.
Speaker 1: But what I can tell you about that interview is
Speaker 1: that if you think that perhaps all of this strife
Speaker 1: and dis divisiveness in the locker room has been cleared
Speaker 1: up after that interview, well it's not so. Anyway. We
Speaker 1: can all look forward to that tomorrow. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: we got a lot coming up over the next couple
Speaker 1: of days, and I'll get smacked Don out of the
Speaker 1: way first, because most of the news today pertains to
Speaker 1: aw We have got smacked down Tomorrow night with the
Speaker 1: return of Roman Reigns, AJ Styles and meechin versus Carrion
Speaker 1: Cross and Scarlet. We have a gauntlet match to determine
Speaker 1: the number one contenders of the undisputed tag team titles.
Speaker 1: Lwa O Brawling Brutes, Pretty Deadly Street profits Gallows and Anderson.
Speaker 1: We have the Grayson Waller effect with Charlotte Flair and
Speaker 1: Zelina Vega is going to face EO Sky. So that's
Speaker 1: SmackDown on Friday Night. The rest of the weekend is
Speaker 1: mostly aw. We have got Rampage, we have got the
Speaker 1: debut of Collision, and then in a week we've got
Speaker 1: the Forbidden Door Show. So the Rampage Show as will Ospray,
Speaker 1: Jeff Cobb and Kyle Fletcher against Trent Bretta, Chuck Taylor
Speaker 1: and Rocky Romero. Yes, we are getting the match Jeff Jarrett,
Speaker 1: Jay Lethal and Karen Jarrett versus Mark Briscoe, Papa Briscoe
Speaker 1: and Aubrey Edwards. So it is not Sanjay that is
Speaker 1: in there to oppose Papa Briscoe. It's Jared and Jay
Speaker 1: Lethal and Karen Jarrett again, Mark, Papa and Aubrey. That's
Speaker 1: the match tomorrow. And then we have Takeshta versus Bendido
Speaker 1: with that absolutely disgusting, despicable Don Kallus there in the
Speaker 1: corner of Takeshta who is now known as l Eho
Speaker 1: Dave Don Kallus, and we have Taya Valkyrie and Trish
Speaker 1: Adora that is the rampage lineup for Friday, and then
Speaker 1: Saturday is the debut of Collision aw Collision Debuts. We
Speaker 1: have the return of Miro. He will be in Action.
Speaker 1: We have the return of Andrade. He will be facing
Speaker 1: Buddy Matthews. We have Skyblue and Willow Nightingale against Tony
Speaker 1: Storm and Ruby Soho. We have Wardlow defending the T
Speaker 1: and T title against Lucasaurus. We have the return of
Speaker 1: CM Punk and cm Punk stated last night on the
Speaker 1: show in a pre tape that he has a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff to get off his chest. He's going to
Speaker 1: have a live mic and that sounds like a lot
Speaker 1: of fun, is what that sounds like. So anyway, that's
Speaker 1: the lineup there. Mike, what are you watching?
Speaker 2: I'm watching you just, you know, with bile on your
Speaker 2: in your mouth right now, trying not to talk about Cmpunk.
Speaker 1: I got no bile at all, and I got nothing
Speaker 1: add I haven't seen the interview.
Speaker 2: A lot of fun, it should shouldn't it.
Speaker 1: Well, let me think about it. Seem Punk with a
Speaker 1: live mic on Collision. You don't think that's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. It is gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. It may be a lot of fun, or
Speaker 1: it may be a lot of fun, but one with
Speaker 1: the other, it's gonna be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: So Rampage is probably gonna be a lot of fun too.
Speaker 2: I don't know how many people are gonna watch it,
Speaker 2: but when you look at United Empire and that matchup
Speaker 2: with best Friends and Rocky, that's going to be really good,
Speaker 2: Takesha and Bandido, it's hard not to believe that that's
Speaker 2: going to be good. I'm disappointed a little bit with
Speaker 2: that sixth Man or the sixth person with Papa Briscoe
Speaker 2: and Karen Jarrett in it. They were right here in
Speaker 2: the area. Again, if something would have been good for
Speaker 2: down the Farm, I would love to see Karen Jarrett
Speaker 2: down on the farm. But they decided to go with
Speaker 2: a match in the ring, and that ought to be
Speaker 2: fun no matter what. And Tyan Trish, you know, Trish
Speaker 2: has been around for a while. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't think they ever wrestled before. I could be wrong
Speaker 2: about that. So that's going to be interesting too. Again
Speaker 2: with Collision taking place, and with SmackDown happening, with the
Speaker 2: ESPN interview with Punk happening. I don't know. Again, if
Speaker 2: rampage is going to get any traction this week. It
Speaker 2: was down to its lowest point last week. But on
Speaker 2: paper again, it's a fun show.
Speaker 1: All right. Chicago United Center, June seventeenth. This is Russell
Speaker 1: Ticks as of four days ago, so I don't know
Speaker 1: the eight is, but they've.
Speaker 2: Got eighty three eighty three out.
Speaker 1: As of a few days ago. It is set up
Speaker 1: for ten thy two fourteen. They got eighteen hundred tickets left,
Speaker 1: so that is the Collision debut. And then Russell Ticks
Speaker 1: has next week's show as well, which is from Toronto,
Speaker 1: and that show is set up for thirty four to
Speaker 1: forty five and they've got two one hundred tickets out,
Speaker 1: so they got a lot of tickets to sell for
Speaker 1: next week's Collision show. And I presume that they'll shoot
Speaker 1: a lot of angles on Saturday U and we'll go
Speaker 1: from there. Yes, the Hamilton show is still under one thousand.
Speaker 1: Tickets for Collision under a thousand, so they got to
Speaker 1: sell a bunch of tickets for that one too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, might have to learn a lesson from this one.
Speaker 2: You know, Toronto two shows back to back. Then you're
Speaker 2: barely down the street in Hamilton for two shows.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I think maybe the intentions were there, I guess, but
Speaker 2: obviously hindsight, being twenty twenty, it was probably the wrong
Speaker 2: move to stack all those shows that close together in
Speaker 2: that close proximity.
Speaker 1: We have also got a deal for the UK. AW
Speaker 1: sources confirmed deal has been reached for collisiond air in
Speaker 1: the UK market on Wednesday nights ITV four. First episode
Speaker 1: taking place Saturday in Chicago, air on ITB four on
Speaker 1: June twenty. First timeslot not confirmed past at least some
Speaker 1: of the shows will air at nine pm. AW did
Speaker 1: not confirm the nature of the timeslot past it would
Speaker 1: be Wednesday nights. Dynamite and Rampage both there on the
Speaker 1: station in revolving time slots on Friday and Tuesday. Dynamite
Speaker 1: usually airs at nine, but often airs later in a
Speaker 1: timeslot that revolves. Rampage usually airs after eleven in a
Speaker 1: timeslot that changes.
Speaker 2: By the week.
Speaker 1: Live commercial free airings of Collision will be part of
Speaker 1: the AW Plus subscription package on Fight, which is available
Speaker 1: in most countries throughout the world, with the exception of
Speaker 1: markets where there is a local live rights owner such
Speaker 1: as T and T in the US and in Canada.
Speaker 1: Where it's going to stream on TSN Plus and not
Speaker 1: air on television. That's the latest on the television deals
Speaker 1: for Collision. And Tony Kann also did an interview and
Speaker 1: this was with Post Wrestling, and he announced Battle of
Speaker 1: the Belts will continue. They will live on despite the
Speaker 1: debut of the new weekly Collision show. It says here,
Speaker 1: So obviously what that's going to mean is, you know,
Speaker 1: there are gonna be some weeks where we have two
Speaker 1: hours of Dynamite, an hour of Rampage followed by an
Speaker 1: hour of Battle of the Belts and then two hours
Speaker 1: of Collision on Saturday. That's a lot of stuff every week.
Speaker 1: And we had a discussion last night about Battle of
Speaker 1: the Belts. And I'm certainly not saying that you shouldn't
Speaker 1: do Battle of the Belts, but Battle of the Belts
Speaker 1: is kind of funny because if you watch Dynamite, like
Speaker 1: many many times, there have been significantly more championship matches
Speaker 1: on an episode of Dynamite then on an episode that
Speaker 1: same month of Battle of the Belts. So Battle of
Speaker 1: the Belts, I mean, it's just an extra show. And
Speaker 1: as we noted yesterday, I believe there have now been
Speaker 1: six Battle of the Belts shows, and in all of
Speaker 1: that time, there have only been two title changes. One
Speaker 1: of them was when Cody got hurt and they did
Speaker 1: an interim title match with Dustin and Sammy, which Sammy
Speaker 1: won to win the TNT title, and then later he
Speaker 1: lost the title and won it back at a Battle
Speaker 1: of the Belt. So in all of these episodes they've
Speaker 1: only had two title changes, and given the number of
Speaker 1: titles that they have, I mean, you don't really want
Speaker 1: to promise this, but I would do a title change
Speaker 1: on every single Battle of the Belts you got, like
Speaker 1: what nine belts or whatever if you count the a
Speaker 1: w Ring of Honor, whatever new Japan titles are there.
Speaker 1: I mean, there should be a championship title change on
Speaker 1: every single Battle of the Belts because otherwise it's it's
Speaker 1: an extra show. Back in a moment with more Observer
Speaker 1: Live back of the show. Brain Elber is here Wrestling
Speaker 1: Observer Live. Mike simper VB, also of Wrestling Observer dot com.
Speaker 1: Did you did you review NXT yesterday? Mike? When I
Speaker 1: wasn't here, I did, all right, just checking you even
Speaker 1: I don't want to short change the listeners.
Speaker 2: Here, No, I don't think we need any more reviews
Speaker 2: of you know, kor jaide or did.
Speaker 1: You talk about how how poor Rocks animals got killed?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I did mention that I had to bring
Speaker 2: that up. Look brutal. That's the one thing coming out
Speaker 2: of that show. If you have a positive moving forward
Speaker 2: when it comes to the NXT women's division, the two
Speaker 2: best women they probably have and b Priestley and what's
Speaker 2: what's her name Blair Davenport and Roxy and Perez. Thank
Speaker 2: god they're going to be working together all right.
Speaker 1: Well, the show did five hundred and eighty one thousand viewers,
Speaker 1: down five point five percent from last week. Those audiences
Speaker 1: May twenty third, eighteen to forty nine, eighth on Cable
Speaker 1: point one six, aired head to head with the NHL
Speaker 1: Stanley Cup Finals, which did two point five million viewers
Speaker 1: in a point seven nine.
Speaker 2: Congratulations Vegas, lous.
Speaker 1: A lot of women eighteen to forty nine. But uh yeah,
Speaker 1: these now, these women are real hit and miss on
Speaker 1: this the show. I've noticed.
Speaker 2: That's a Nick Con. Somebody needs to ask Nick Con
Speaker 2: about that. By the way, Brian, did you know that
Speaker 2: NXT was put on because of COVID ruining things on TV?
Speaker 2: And that's why they had to go ahead and put
Speaker 2: the show on in prime time and then USA loved it.
Speaker 1: I did not know that.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's as Nick Con looks to possibly pump up
Speaker 2: nxt is the third brand. You never know what he's
Speaker 2: going to say.
Speaker 1: You know, I like this Nick Con because man, oh man,
Speaker 1: what a guy.
Speaker 2: It's almost like he was a slimy Hollywood agent type.
Speaker 1: What he is is a guy who is hired for
Speaker 1: a job and he gives it his all. I got
Speaker 1: respect for a guy like that. That's well, he just
Speaker 1: gives it his all. But you know what, you know,
Speaker 1: he's uh, he's got ideas. I mean, look at look
Speaker 1: at there's a lot of reasons for everything, but look
Speaker 1: at look at WWE business since they brought on Nick Con. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean it's Nick Con. It's Vince not booking this
Speaker 1: crap anymore. I mean, yeah, it's not perfect, but it's
Speaker 1: it's miles and miles better, and the talent's all happier,
Speaker 1: and they're getting like lots of big sponsorship deals. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're getting big sponsors deals, they're selling tons of merch
Speaker 1: and you know, there's obviously an id here with NXTAM,
Speaker 1: which is let's not push this as this developmental group,
Speaker 1: which it is. But you know, we've got main roster
Speaker 1: people showing up their Los Lithario's are there and seth
Speaker 1: Rawlins is going to wrestle for the world title on
Speaker 1: NXT next Tuesday. Why well, it's time to sign a renewal.
Speaker 1: And you don't go to sign a renewal and have
Speaker 1: a show that's sinking. You have a show where if
Speaker 1: you look at the entire television landscape, with the exception
Speaker 1: of a number of shows, you encount on one hand
Speaker 1: all declining year over year. And then you've got RAW,
Speaker 1: you've got SmackDown, and you've got NXT. And meanwhile, I
Speaker 1: have people are arguing that, you know, it's actually not
Speaker 1: hot right now, it's really not. Actually it is hot.
Speaker 1: It's really hot. It's the hottest it's been in decades.
Speaker 1: And NXT this show this week, which you know, it
Speaker 1: didn't do the greatest number or anything like that, but
Speaker 1: what is important is it's eighteen to forty nine was
Speaker 1: up thirty three percent year over year. Find me another
Speaker 1: show you know where the eighteen to forty nine is
Speaker 1: up thirty three percent year over year. You want to
Speaker 1: look at raw what it's up year over year. You
Speaker 1: want to look at SmackDown what it's up year over year.
Speaker 1: They're all up year over year. Uh, and they're going
Speaker 1: to get that one point five times renewal and maybe
Speaker 1: even more. I mean, this guy's not an idiot, you know,
Speaker 1: And I think that if he thinks they're gonna get
Speaker 1: if he thinks, listen, for sure, we're gonna get one
Speaker 1: point five, we might be able to get two. You
Speaker 1: don't say two because it might get one point five.
Speaker 1: Then the stock crashes. Everybody's all angry, but you say,
Speaker 1: you know what, I think we can get one point
Speaker 1: five comes in at one point eight, stock market right
Speaker 1: up for your This guy knows what he's doing. He's
Speaker 1: a smart guy, and they got a lot of smart
Speaker 1: people working there right now. Regardless of what you might
Speaker 1: think about some finishes or two.
Speaker 2: He knew the landscape and he was a perfect person
Speaker 2: to work with Vince and Vince I think knew that.
Speaker 2: And when he went and got the oh what were
Speaker 2: their names, I can't even remember their names now, that
Speaker 2: were pushed out and then came back in on the board.
Speaker 2: They were the ones who set up the WWE network.
Speaker 2: And all that sort of stuff. But you know, with
Speaker 2: talked about it yesterday with FX as far as if
Speaker 2: they were to get it, you know, to me, it's
Speaker 2: not the best move in the world. But when you.
Speaker 1: Take Wilson and Barrios.
Speaker 2: Wilson and Bardim, Yeah, that's right, Michelle Wilson and George Barrios.
Speaker 2: When you take WWE programming off of USA, what would
Speaker 2: their numbers be on average for USA? You know, you
Speaker 2: take that stuff off of there, you take the Bella
Speaker 2: shows off, you take that stuff off of I and
Speaker 2: BROB and if you're somebody else, you're looking at that
Speaker 2: and it's like that can easily boost you up. I mean,
Speaker 2: and he knows this. Now, would it be a good
Speaker 2: move to go to, say in Amazon, which he loves
Speaker 2: bringing up. Probably not know, but he needs that chip
Speaker 2: when you have all these pieces trying to play against
Speaker 2: each other and you're trying to play him against each other.
Speaker 2: We're seeing this in India now because there's the renewed
Speaker 2: interest there because their TV deals are going to be up.
Speaker 2: They're going on tour there. Not sure if the German
Speaker 2: deal is up or not, but obviously they announced a
Speaker 2: tour for over there. As well too. So Nick con
Speaker 2: is you know of people that will never make it
Speaker 2: in the WWE Hall of Fame, but probably should. He's
Speaker 2: going to be one of them because he is their
Speaker 2: best friend in the whole wide world. Dealing with the media,
Speaker 2: it used to be Bonnie Hammer over at NBC Universal
Speaker 2: and the person that ran USA for so long she
Speaker 2: belongs in too. But the way Nick Khn is able
Speaker 2: to play all of these groups, and the reputation and
Speaker 2: respect he has in those types of circles, whether it
Speaker 2: be ESPN or whether it be in the you know,
Speaker 2: in the movie field or in the age inning field.
Speaker 2: You know, he seems to have it all over the place.
Speaker 1: A couple of text messages here and we'll do dynamite
Speaker 1: after the break, this person says, and I agree with this. Well,
Speaker 1: there's two ways to do it, he says. Ali needs
Speaker 1: to announce time calls. The second I heard it randomly
Speaker 1: called in last night's match, I knew immediately it would
Speaker 1: be a time limit draw with one hundred percent certainty.
Speaker 1: I know I'm in the minority, but it took me
Speaker 1: right out of it. We need more time limit draws
Speaker 1: in general. If they don't want to do dqus Well.
Speaker 1: I think they need to do one of two things.
Speaker 1: They need to either do what New Japan does, which
Speaker 1: is you do the call in every match. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter the match. You're gonna do the time calls at
Speaker 1: ten minute intervals or whatever in every single match, okay.
Speaker 1: Or you never do an announcement of the time. You
Speaker 1: only will start the match and go there is a
Speaker 1: thirty minute time limit, and then do not make a
Speaker 1: time call. If you normally do not do time calls
Speaker 1: and then you randomly do a time call, you are
Speaker 1: alerting people that we are going to the time limit draws.
Speaker 1: So these are your two options. Either never mention it,
Speaker 1: with the exception of the ring announcer says you know
Speaker 1: this is a thirty minute time limit. Or every match Wardlow,
Speaker 1: Jade Cargill, Young Bucks, you make a time call every
Speaker 1: ten minutes.
Speaker 2: Only for championship matches or big matches. I mean you
Speaker 2: could do that if you wanted to split the difference,
Speaker 2: and you don't have to give constant time calls. The
Speaker 2: only one you really need to give is five minutes.
Speaker 2: I always remember Tom Miller on the old NWA broadcast
Speaker 2: five minutes like just that for that type of match,
Speaker 2: because then it reminds everybody, Okay, we are getting towards
Speaker 2: the end here, and maybe some people think that's giving
Speaker 2: it away. If they would have said five minutes or
Speaker 2: did a count down last night, it would have given
Speaker 2: something away. I don't believe that would have been the case,
Speaker 2: but I think reminding people of that, you know, doing something,
Speaker 2: is not the worst thing in the world.
Speaker 1: Versus my prediction for Collision, they do a hype video
Speaker 1: and playing Punk is going to say something about the
Speaker 1: press conference, Elite, etc. But it'll be Punk getting on
Speaker 1: the mic after the match and he's immediately laid out
Speaker 1: by Kenta before he can say anything. Well, the one
Speaker 1: thing I will say is if they're advertising that CM
Speaker 1: Punk and literally that's what they were advertising last night,
Speaker 1: CM Punk has something he needs to get off of
Speaker 1: his chest. If you're advertising that multiple times during Dynamite,
Speaker 1: Tony is not going to have him come out and
Speaker 1: not talk. I mean, he's just not what he does.
Speaker 1: So he is going to do a promo. He could
Speaker 1: get laid out after the promo, but I think that
Speaker 1: he is going to do a promo. You do not
Speaker 1: want to bait and switch something on the very first
Speaker 1: episode of Collision. You do not whatever you advertise you
Speaker 1: need to deliver and more.
Speaker 2: No, of course, and let's be real honest here, I
Speaker 2: don't We'll see what happens with this ESPN interview, but
Speaker 2: like to act as though he went out there with
Speaker 2: no aw supervision. They didn't have any chance to monitor
Speaker 2: what was taking place and what was said after supposedly
Speaker 2: NDAs were sent out, like it's gonna be blurring. Everybody's
Speaker 2: worked themselves up into this big tizzy, and it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't think it's going to change anybody's
Speaker 2: mind if you'd like him, if you don't like him,
Speaker 2: But the whole thing is being set up to drive
Speaker 2: eyeballs to that show, and of course giving him a
Speaker 2: live mic is going to probably be the highest rated
Speaker 2: portion of that show, whether you like him or not.
Speaker 2: So you know, I just there's already rumors that he,
Speaker 2: you know, threw things at Kenta in the ESPN interview.
Speaker 2: So it's like, you knows how much of this is real,
Speaker 2: how much of it is nonsense? I guess we'll find out.
Speaker 1: Oh, alrighty, what else do we have here? Let's see
Speaker 1: number of years ago? Is this true? This has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with anything, but it's interesting to me. Number
Speaker 1: of years ago Metallica played inside a clear dome in Antarctica.
Speaker 1: It's your knowledge. Has anyone done something similar but in
Speaker 1: the pro wrestling world? No, well certainly not an Antarctica.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: But has anyone ever done a show.
Speaker 2: Like in a boggle dome?
Speaker 1: Well, they got that new big ball in Vegas, the
Speaker 1: Big Black Ball. I guess people are gonna do stuff
Speaker 1: in there, Like, what's that all about? Dude, who came
Speaker 1: up with that idea? I got an idea for a
Speaker 1: new arena. It'll be a giant black ball. Oh man,
Speaker 1: that's a really cool idea. Let's build it kind of
Speaker 1: way they go. Anyway back in the moment, it was
Speaker 1: over life. Alrighty, let's do this Dynamite report because there's
Speaker 1: a lot to talk about. MJF. Adam Cole in a
Speaker 1: title eliminator, which is noted. Everyone thought this was going
Speaker 1: to go, you know, Adam Cole winning and sitting up
Speaker 1: the match, but they did not. They did a thirty
Speaker 1: minute draw and it was a great match. They had
Speaker 1: all sorts of all sorts of you know what's funny
Speaker 1: about it is, I mean anybody here think that this
Speaker 1: is the end of this feud, raise your hand, nobody. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: I watched this match, and sometimes you see a match
Speaker 1: and you know that they're going to build to a
Speaker 1: second match, and so you can see that they hold
Speaker 1: this back or they hold that back because they're saving
Speaker 1: something for the next They did not do that here.
Speaker 1: I mean they did everything in this match, not the
Speaker 1: least of which was MGF doing a flying elbow off
Speaker 1: the post through a table outside, which by the way,
Speaker 1: looked like he crushed this poor bloke. And we had.
Speaker 2: I don't know what Dave was so upset about. Like,
Speaker 2: to me, taking a move on the apron is far
Speaker 2: worse than what MJF did, considering he landed right in
Speaker 2: the middle of coal just crushed him.
Speaker 1: We hit the sunrise, there was a tombstone on the apron,
Speaker 1: there was the cross arm on the apron. Everything. I
Speaker 1: mean it was yeah, the cross arm, German on the apron, everything.
Speaker 1: And they had a great Eddie Guerrero spot at the
Speaker 1: end where you know, MGF tried to throw the belt
Speaker 1: and take a bump, but then the rev actually didn't
Speaker 1: wake up and he realized I just gave this guy
Speaker 1: the belt. Then Cole whacked him and hit the boom,
Speaker 1: and MGF still kicked out, and finally he hit the
Speaker 1: Sunrise and the boom and the bell rang for the
Speaker 1: time limit draw, and then Coal wanted five more minutes.
Speaker 1: MGF responds by sliding out of the ring heading to
Speaker 1: the back. He refuses to give him his second match.
Speaker 1: So given that it's going to be MGF in Tanahashi
Speaker 1: at Forbidden Door, and they don't have another pay per
Speaker 1: view until either the end of August or September, whichever
Speaker 1: one they're gonna do their match on, I would presume
Speaker 1: that this is a way to kind of hold that
Speaker 1: off for a while, because this is either to me
Speaker 1: gonna be the Wembley main event or one of the
Speaker 1: Wembley main events, or the all out main event, either
Speaker 1: all out or all in. I think it's going to
Speaker 1: be this championship match, so we got time do something
Speaker 1: in the meantime. Then we add a Sammy interview, which
Speaker 1: is funny because you know there's another one. People tell
Speaker 1: me Sammy's not going babyface, it's just for this feud. No,
Speaker 1: Sammy's going babyface. That's been the plan for well over
Speaker 1: a month now, and you know he was doing babyface promos.
Speaker 1: Everything he was doing was babyface and he's still getting booed,
Speaker 1: although they're trying to convince you to cheer him. Is
Speaker 1: what they are doing, and part of that is Jericho
Speaker 1: coming out and going full heel. Didn't let the people
Speaker 1: sing a song, had it cut off, and long story short,
Speaker 1: he and Sammy had a big argument and they agreed
Speaker 1: to do a tag match. It's gonna be Darby and
Speaker 1: Sting versus Chris Jericho and Sammy Gavara next week on
Speaker 1: the show, which is a big match. They played up
Speaker 1: Jericho and Sting. It's a real big deal. What is
Speaker 1: Sammy going to do? Is he going to go full
Speaker 1: babyface here? When's the split going to happen? But that's
Speaker 1: the direction here. Sammy is a babyface. Had the Mogul
Speaker 1: Embassy against Sting, Darby, Orange Cassidy and Keith Lee and
Speaker 1: there was this was a bowling shoe at points.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. But they let Sting work with anybody
Speaker 2: other than swerve. Do not put toe and your Sting.
Speaker 2: It's what I said yesterday. Scares me well.
Speaker 1: Sting and Toa got in there together and they didn't
Speaker 1: know what they were doing, but they both lived. And
Speaker 1: then Cage went for the F five orange hit, the punch,
Speaker 1: sting hit, the death drop pinned him, huge pop for
Speaker 1: the finish. And you know, there'd been rumors that the
Speaker 1: first episode of Collision was going to be finally, finally
Speaker 1: Swerve versus Keith Lee, and there is no indication that
Speaker 1: that is going to happen. I don't think this match
Speaker 1: is ever going to happen. I think this is a
Speaker 1: rib by Tony Khan. I think it's never happening. We're
Speaker 1: never gonna see it.
Speaker 2: I'm good with it at this point. Just let it
Speaker 2: slide away and die. It's kind of like Cage's space paint.
Speaker 2: I don't know about that. Don't do that.
Speaker 1: Then we had Austin and Colton doing a promo challenging
Speaker 1: the Hardies to determine who's the best brother tag team
Speaker 1: in all of AAA.
Speaker 2: After their interplay together on that promo, I'm saying it's
Speaker 2: the Guns right now. They should be Bullet Club. I
Speaker 2: hope they are.
Speaker 1: Then we had Wardlow and Jake Hager. You know, I
Speaker 1: heard a lot of people didn't like this match. I
Speaker 1: thought it was fine, you know, it was short, and
Speaker 1: then you know, Angelo and Matt Menard came out and
Speaker 1: brought an Arn ran him to the back, and then
Speaker 1: Wardlow hit the power bomb Symphony one and then Christian
Speaker 1: luchsorts Beard on the big screen. Christian said, luch Sorts
Speaker 1: accepts your challenge for this coming Saturday. But what are
Speaker 1: you gonna do when your new daddy isn't there to
Speaker 1: save you? And they lower the camera and Arn is
Speaker 1: covered in blood, been beaten.
Speaker 2: We had tan of Hashi, not beaten, bludgeoned, bludgeoned in
Speaker 2: the head.
Speaker 1: Yes, Tanashi does a promo. It says, last year, I
Speaker 1: came this close to beating Moxley. This year I won
Speaker 1: MGF one on one. So Rene goes to interview Max
Speaker 1: and he says, I am not defending my title against
Speaker 1: some dude from a Rinky Dink promotion in Japan. If
Speaker 1: Tony tries to book this match would not be the
Speaker 1: first time that I know showed a booking. And so
Speaker 1: between that and the Adam Cole thing and the fact
Speaker 1: that they noted that he has been champion, I forget
Speaker 1: how long they said. I remember, it's like what eight
Speaker 1: nine months or something like that, and he's defended the
Speaker 1: title three times. I mean, what's clearly going to happen
Speaker 1: here is you know, Tony's gonna have to announce that
Speaker 1: you either, you know, give Adam Cole another shot, another uh,
Speaker 1: you know whatever, they call it title eliminator, and you
Speaker 1: defend the title against Tanahashi at Forbidden Door or you
Speaker 1: will be stripped of the title. I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to do storyline like that.
Speaker 2: Well, with Cole, you have time, you know, you have
Speaker 2: plenty of time before August or September for him to
Speaker 2: fight back or get that match. I think when you
Speaker 2: want to pull out that since there's no thirty day rule,
Speaker 2: but you put out that hole, you are going to
Speaker 2: show up. It should be for this match with Tanahashi.
Speaker 1: We had Orange Cassidy being interviewed when Zach Saber Junior
Speaker 1: showed up. You know what, I don't like to go
Speaker 1: on my high horse here, but you know who's a
Speaker 1: big hossible man lately is Zach Saber Junior. He's not
Speaker 1: a skinny chicken chest anymore. And you know what I
Speaker 1: have not heard one time in the last year or
Speaker 1: so since he bulked up. You know what I haven't
Speaker 1: heard one time. I haven't heard one time. You know,
Speaker 1: I sure don't like his matches anymore because it just
Speaker 1: doesn't work unless he's a skelet.
Speaker 2: I haven't heard one time, not one. Just go back
Speaker 2: and apologize for always saying that stuff about him, because
Speaker 2: now you sound like the people that talk about.
Speaker 1: This is revisionist history, Mike, because it was Juice Robinson.
Speaker 1: Juice Robinson ridiculed him for being a chicken chest, not me,
Speaker 1: Juice Robinson. So don't take this out on me like
Speaker 1: everybody else tries to do.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Anyway, he shows up and then Garcia is there, and
Speaker 1: long story short, next week it is going to be
Speaker 1: Orange Cassidy and Katsiori Shibata against Zach Saber Junior and
Speaker 1: Daniel Garcia. That's a wacky match. I like it, yes,
Speaker 1: And do you know what was? I thought for the
Speaker 1: time they had a great match, And I still believe
Speaker 1: other people have said there was an Athena match, But
Speaker 1: I see this as the best sky Blue match I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. It was Tony Storm and sky Blue, And
Speaker 1: granted as a fair man, the sky.
Speaker 2: Blue is the Corra Jade that Brian wants to have.
Speaker 2: The's he wants to be.
Speaker 1: Even start this thing here. But the match the four
Speaker 1: way that they had to determine who would face Tony Storm.
Speaker 1: Even Jim Ross called that bowling shoe ugly. So Sky
Speaker 1: had something to prove here and Tony Storm was great
Speaker 1: and this was an excellently booked match and Tony got
Speaker 1: the win. I mean, the best spot was when Tony
Speaker 1: Ruby takes the ref. Tony gets a spray bottle. She
Speaker 1: sneaks in, but Sky Blue has her own spray bottle.
Speaker 1: She sprays Tony. Tony does a deal where you run
Speaker 1: in place and shake your head like Brandon Cuttler. She's
Speaker 1: being sprayed and then she's being sprayed. She tosses her can.
Speaker 1: The can flies into the air right across from the
Speaker 1: hard camp. You see all these fans reaching up to
Speaker 1: grab it, some guy catching the places going nuts. Sky
Speaker 1: Blue hits a Storm zero, but the RAF is still
Speaker 1: distracted and it's an easy pin, but then she goes
Speaker 1: after Ruby turns around. Tony hits her with Storm zero,
Speaker 1: but Sky kicks out and then Sky puts her or
Speaker 1: Tony puts her in the sharpshooter submits her. That was
Speaker 1: a great match. That really was a great match.
Speaker 2: Make sure you do something with sky because how that
Speaker 2: thing was booked, it was done really really well. Now
Speaker 2: follow up with her. I hope she's ready and ready
Speaker 2: to be in that position because they did a great
Speaker 2: job and I don't think Tony could have given her anymore.
Speaker 1: Now everyone's having to talk about this, this this feud
Speaker 1: between Corra Jade and Skyblue. What you want me to
Speaker 1: take sides? Kind of a journalist?
Speaker 2: Would I be.
Speaker 1: Jungle Boy and Hooked at a promo? Or as I
Speaker 1: like to call them, hook boy and uh and man,
Speaker 1: poor hook jungle Boy says, you know you're not just
Speaker 1: my tag partner, You're my best friend. And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: accept this match against Sonata for the IWGP title, And
Speaker 1: it would mean so much to me, everything to me,
Speaker 1: if you could just be in my corner for that match.
Speaker 2: Man, even if he's being sincere, he's a heel to me.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, guys, nobody ever listens to me, but
Speaker 1: Jungle Boy is a heel. Is gonna be incredible. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be an incredible heel. It's gonna turn his career around,
Speaker 1: mark my words. Then we had BCC against the Bucks
Speaker 1: and Hangman. Thismatch was great. They only got about eleven minutes.
Speaker 1: If they would have gotten more time, it would have
Speaker 1: been even better. But you know, they brawled at the beginning,
Speaker 1: they did the big comeback and then they really the
Speaker 1: only thing was missing would have been a longer period
Speaker 1: with the BCC just murdering dudes. And so they do
Speaker 1: all their big spots there at the end, and finally
Speaker 1: the Bucks hit the BTE trigger on poor Ayuda. Hangman
Speaker 1: hits the buck shot. They get the pin and then
Speaker 1: the Heels go after the baby faces after the match,
Speaker 1: and they're beating them down and who should come down
Speaker 1: to the ring, but they're returning Eddie Kingston. He goes
Speaker 1: face to face with Claudio. The fans are going nuts
Speaker 1: with Eddie Chance he ends up wiping him out, but
Speaker 1: he turns around, he's face to face with mox League
Speaker 1: in Matt jumps Moxley. Moxley pops up. He goes back
Speaker 1: face to face with Kingston. So they have not split.
Speaker 1: They're old friends, but umpthing's up. They don't agree with
Speaker 1: what the other is doing. And then Takeshta hits the
Speaker 1: ring massive booze to the point where you know there
Speaker 1: were people. You know that thing on your phone that
Speaker 1: tells you if the decibels are too loud or whatever.
Speaker 1: People's gimmick went off as him and Callous are coming
Speaker 1: down to the ring and then Omega's music hits. He
Speaker 1: goes after Takeshta, Elite attacks Ta Keshta.
Speaker 2: They all hit.
Speaker 1: Pascado's to the outside, Kenny hits his v trigger. Everyone's
Speaker 1: going nuts, but man, Kenny turns around and he's super
Speaker 1: kicked by will Ospray and will Ospray hits him with
Speaker 1: the hidden Blade, the storm Breaker, another hidden Blade. This
Speaker 1: segment was awesome. You built up so many great things
Speaker 1: in this for future Dynamite shows. For Forbidden Door, I mean, man,
Speaker 1: that was a home run segment and a great show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't think it was perfect, but I like
Speaker 2: the closing segment. It was a lot of chaos. Was
Speaker 2: a lot going on, and Takeshta's there and now Kingston's
Speaker 2: there and Osprey's there and all that stuff. But I mean,
Speaker 2: I to me, it worked, and if you're an aw fan,
Speaker 2: I think it worked. If you're the casual watching, okay,
Speaker 2: it's like every other show that you turn on late
Speaker 2: and there's chaos happening, and maybe you want to rewind
Speaker 2: and find out more of what's going on. But I
Speaker 2: thought it was very good. People comparing it to impact
Speaker 2: and doing that sort of stuff. I mean, if that's
Speaker 2: what you thought, cool. I just don't think that this
Speaker 2: this actually, you know, reached anywhere nearer.
Speaker 1: I will tell you why after the break that this
Speaker 1: wasn't TNA.
Speaker 2: There's plenty of reasons why.
Speaker 1: Back in a moment, it was overlive Gonna Show. Bryin
Speaker 1: Elberrez here Wrestling Observer Live, Mike Sippervd also Wrestling Observer
Speaker 1: dot Com. This is my This is my TNA litmus
Speaker 1: test for these angles. Okay, I've been uh doing this
Speaker 1: for a long long time, and before I did what
Speaker 1: you're watching right now, I wrote a newsletter for a
Speaker 1: long long time. I have written millions of words in
Speaker 1: my lifetime. And the point is I can type really fast. Okay,
Speaker 1: if I'm watching an angle and I cannot type fast
Speaker 1: enough to recap everything that's going on, and I have
Speaker 1: to pause and or rewind too much stuff is going on,
Speaker 1: that is my litmus test. It happened all the time
Speaker 1: in TNA. It's like I can't keep up like I
Speaker 1: can't recap everything typing, okay, and you know where you
Speaker 1: know where else it happens NXTA, it happens fairly regularly
Speaker 1: in xt But you know, if I see an angle
Speaker 1: and a lot of stuff happens, but I can very
Speaker 1: easily recap everything without evying to stop and rewind. That's
Speaker 1: a good angle because that means that everything that happened
Speaker 1: there is time to breathe. There is time for it
Speaker 1: to register in your brain as to what's going on.
Speaker 1: Whereas when when it happens too fast for me to
Speaker 1: type what's going on, it's like, no way when you're
Speaker 1: watching it, or you gonna remember everything that happened, or
Speaker 1: if you can remember, will it all be meaningful? You've
Speaker 1: got to let things breathe. And that's exactly what they
Speaker 1: did last night. It was perfectly timed. There was a
Speaker 1: lot that happened at the very end of the show
Speaker 1: with some blow going fey fifteen, and they got it
Speaker 1: all in just like happens on this show every day.
Speaker 1: You guys don't hear, but dom's my air going hey fifteen,
Speaker 1: And then I go, that's it, everybody. We'll talk to
Speaker 1: you again after a while and I hit my cue.
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