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Speaker 3: I'm talking about Peter Atier the founder of Early Medical,

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Speaker 3: Peter Rezier, Welcome to on Purpose, and thank you for

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Speaker 3: being here. Thank you so much, Jack, And then everything

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Speaker 3: I said, I was really really looking forward to this conversation,

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Speaker 3: and I want to dive into many aspects of the book,

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Speaker 3: many topics. I've also sourced questions from my team, community people,

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Speaker 3: struggling with. But I actually want to start with your

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Speaker 3: journey in your story because I've gone through similar moments

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Speaker 3: health challenges could be long term if I wasn't to

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Speaker 3: shift things. And the problem is, I've always been a

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Speaker 3: you get that kind of news, it's kind of alarming

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I think there were two sort of

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Speaker 3: It's not that my life was going to end that year,

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Speaker 1: I've never actually been asked it that way, but the

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Speaker 1: Despite how high their motivation is, there's no runway left. Conversely,

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Speaker 1: And so I think those are the two curves that

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Speaker 3: for everyone who's listening. The book will walk you through

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Speaker 3: how to make sense of how to know what is

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Speaker 3: right for you, what is wrong for you, whether you

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Speaker 3: should do something, which I think is like the biggest

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Speaker 3: anxiety driver for so many people when it comes to

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Speaker 3: their health, when it comes to food. I think fasting

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Speaker 3: has become trendy. It's become a big thing that everyone's

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Speaker 3: talking about. You know, we hear so much about every

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Speaker 3: single diet in the world. There's always a new one

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Speaker 3: that's coming on the surface. How have you helped people

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Speaker 3: one on one actually discover what's right for them because

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Speaker 3: I found that my eating patterns are very different to

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Speaker 3: the trending habits of how to eat food and even fasting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think the first thing is, as

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Speaker 1: you said, it's just letting people understand that the less

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Speaker 1: you can pay attention to social media fads and your

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Speaker 1: news feed on Google or whatever, the better acknowledge that

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Speaker 1: there is surprisingly little known about the relationship between nutrition

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Speaker 1: and health, and people are going to be shocked to

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Speaker 1: hear that, because I think most people think the exact

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Speaker 1: thay opposite. Most people think that nutrition is the most

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Speaker 1: important pillar of health, and the reality of it is

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Speaker 1: outside of very extreme states, that's really not true. And

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Speaker 1: the very little bit we know about nutrition just frankly

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Speaker 1: speaks to the challenge of scientific inquiry into something as

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Speaker 1: difficult as nutrition to study. And the reason for that

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Speaker 1: is you can't study us as humans very well. We're

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Speaker 1: very messy subjects, so we're not like mice where you

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Speaker 1: can put us in a cage and control what we're

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Speaker 1: eating and follow us through the duration of our lives.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way. So when you're trying to

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Speaker 1: make inferences about nutrition in humans, you have to rely

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Speaker 1: on poorly controlled studies called epidemiologic studies, which are fraught

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Speaker 1: with all sorts of limitations that I talk about in

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Speaker 1: the book. Or if you're going to control the study,

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Speaker 1: you can only do it for a very short period

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Speaker 1: of time. There's only a short period of time in

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Speaker 1: which I can control exactly what you're eating. So as

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Speaker 1: a result of that, we don't know a lot. I

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Speaker 1: always want to start with what do we know. Well,

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Speaker 1: we know that protein is a very important macronutrient. There

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Speaker 1: are four macronutrients, carbohydrates, fats, proteins, and alcohol. People kind

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Speaker 1: of forget alcohol, but some import of understand it's very

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Speaker 1: caloric and so it constitutes a source of energy. It's

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Speaker 1: the worst macronutrient, but nevertheless it's you know, you'd be

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Speaker 1: amazed sometimes people are going to think fifteen to twenty

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Speaker 1: percent of their calories from alcohol if they drink enough.

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Speaker 1: So protein is really important, and it's not a source

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Speaker 1: of energy the way carbohydrates and fat is, but it's

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Speaker 1: a structural macronutrient. And so I always start with that

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Speaker 1: and say, look, rule number one is you have to

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Speaker 1: make sure you're getting enough protein. And this is especially

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Speaker 1: true if you're over fifty because if you're over fifty,

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Speaker 1: you start to become resistant to the effects of protein.

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Speaker 1: That's called anabolic resistance, and loss of muscle mass in

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Speaker 1: people over fifty is a significant driver of mortality and

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Speaker 1: a significant driver of a poor quality of life. You know,

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Speaker 1: if you really start to think about it. Even if

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Speaker 1: a person is of sound mind and they're not not

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Speaker 1: suffering from some intractable disease later in life, a great

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Speaker 1: source of misery is simply being physically unable to do things.

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Speaker 1: After that, it really comes down to what do we

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Speaker 1: understand about energy balance. Well, we understand that too much

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Speaker 1: nutrition I call this over nutrition is bad and that

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Speaker 1: the body historically developed lots of tools to store energy

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Speaker 1: because that's what allowed us to evolve the way we did,

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Speaker 1: and up until I don't know, one hundred years ago

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Speaker 1: or so, that was a great skill to have. It's

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Speaker 1: now thwarting us in an environment of too much food.

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Speaker 1: So now this ability that we had the superpower basically

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Speaker 1: to store excess energy has become a liability. In the

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Speaker 1: United States, certainly, the vast majority of people, probably over

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Speaker 1: seventy percent of people are over nourished, and that's the

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Speaker 1: thing that's driving a lot of their poor health. If

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Speaker 1: you're over nourished, you have to correct that problem. The

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Speaker 1: way to correct that problem is to eat less, and

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Speaker 1: there are three strategies to do that. One of them

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Speaker 1: is to deliberately go about cutting calories. That's called calorie

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Speaker 1: restriction or cr The other one is called dietary restriction

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Speaker 1: that means limit certain things within the diet and if

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Speaker 1: you are restrictive enough, that will indirectly also reduce total intake.

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Speaker 1: And then the third is fasting or time restricted eating,

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Speaker 1: where you create a narrower and narrower window each day

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Speaker 1: in which to eat. All of these things can work,

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Speaker 1: and all of those things have significant limitations that you,

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Speaker 1: as an individual practicing this need to know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was incredible.

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Speaker 3: I was looking at the just history of the design

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Speaker 3: of plates and cups randomly.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know how I got there.

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Speaker 1: How much bigger they're getting, just how much bigger.

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Speaker 3: They're getting, And it was insane for me to think

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Speaker 3: that the way plates are designed, the way cups are designed,

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Speaker 3: the way anything's designed, transforms how we consume. And it's

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Speaker 3: fascinating to think that just because of a larger plate, size.

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Speaker 3: We're now eating larger amounts and we think it's normal

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Speaker 3: in our time, where someone else would have think we

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Speaker 3: were feasting.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you still get back to Europe all the time,

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Speaker 1: but like, look at the difference in portion sizes when

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Speaker 1: you're in you know, Italy versus the United States. It's

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Speaker 1: comical what a difference it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I remember as a kid coming to the States, and

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Speaker 3: obviously when you're a kid, everything that's big is better. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And I remember like pulling over at the gas station

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Speaker 3: and I'd see like this massive, like you know, jumbo

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Speaker 3: thing to fill your drink up in and like you know,

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Speaker 3: I was like, this is the coolest thing of the world.

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Speaker 3: And now you look at it and you're like, wow,

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Speaker 3: that's you know, there's no need for that. So it's

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Speaker 3: fascinating also how these cultural shifts and cultural changes have

569
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Speaker 3: made some of these things harder for us today. So

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Speaker 3: you said, cr, DR and TR those are the three

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Speaker 3: that people need to experiment with.

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Speaker 2: Each of those.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Basically, if you are in that over nourished camp,

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Speaker 1: you need to employ some combination of cr DR and

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Speaker 1: or TR and if you're adequately muscled, that's you just

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Speaker 1: you can just focus on that. If you're inadequately muscled,

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Speaker 1: you have the added challenge of needing to boost protein

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Speaker 1: intake to match strength training while engaging in cr DR. Try.

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Speaker 1: But the route of it is that's it. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: the rest of it, the alphabet soup of diets is

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Speaker 1: just it's all noise. I just encourage people to not

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Speaker 1: fixate on the trend and just think about those different

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Speaker 1: things because you know, look, each of the alphabet soup

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Speaker 1: diets fits into some form of DR. I mean, and

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Speaker 1: that's true whether you're talking carnivore or vegan or everything

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Speaker 1: in between. Those are just forms of DR and they

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Speaker 1: can all be effective, but you have to be aware

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Speaker 1: of the limitations of each and make sure you're circumventing them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I think that one of the things that there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of question marks around as well from the community

592
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Speaker 3: that they were asking was nutrition, which you've beautifully clarified there,

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Speaker 3: but nutrition versus supplements and the need for supplements, and

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Speaker 3: I think I would love to hear your takes on

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Speaker 3: supplements that are working, types of supplements, types of ingredients,

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Speaker 3: types of chemicals that are making a difference natural supplements too.

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Speaker 3: I'd love to hear your thoughts on neotropics because I'm

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Speaker 3: just hearing about neotropics everywhere right now. Adaptogens as you

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Speaker 3: just tried as well. We've been focusing on adaptogens. I'd

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Speaker 3: love to let's talk about your take on great supplements

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Speaker 3: that everyone needs to take. Not not a brand, but

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Speaker 3: I mean yeah, and then you take on neotropics and adaptagens.

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Speaker 3: That would be fantastic.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I definitely do take some supplements. I'm always

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Speaker 1: careful to kind of make disclosures. So one thing I

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Speaker 1: do supplement, I take something called AG and I'm an

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Speaker 1: investor in AG, but I've been taking it long before

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Speaker 1: I invested in it, and I know the founder very well.

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Speaker 1: I'm very under the hood of exactly how their products

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Speaker 1: are made and sourced. And for folks who aren't aware,

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Speaker 1: AG is like a green that you you know, just

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Speaker 1: mix in with water. I drink it every morning.

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Speaker 2: The ones of the podcast are they okay?

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Speaker 1: Cool? And my approach to that is, if you buy

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Speaker 1: the thesis that we need to be having x amount

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Speaker 1: of vegetables a day, and let's be clear and be transparent.

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Speaker 1: I can't guarantee that that is true because we don't know.

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Speaker 1: That's another example of something that the epidemiology tells us

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Speaker 1: is true, but there are many confounders there. But my

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Speaker 1: view is that it's better to err on the side

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Speaker 1: of that's probably true than the counter. So if you

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Speaker 1: buy the thesis that you need X amount of vegetable

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Speaker 1: a day, I actually find it very difficult to do

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Speaker 1: that without exception. There are lots of days I can,

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Speaker 1: but there are enough days that I can't. So my

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Speaker 1: view of a supplement like AG is it's my belt

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Speaker 1: and suspender's approach. It's it's basically my way of guaranteeing

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Speaker 1: that by seven o'clock in the morning, I've met my

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Speaker 1: needs and then if I have a salad for lunch

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Speaker 1: and dinner as well. Perfect I went a little overboard,

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Speaker 1: but that's better than the reverse to me.

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Speaker 3: So that's one and age specifically talking about that kind

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Speaker 3: of a supplement. That's a vegetable focused supplement, that's right,

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Speaker 3: not all supplements that's right, specifically focused on that specific age.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's another supplement I take, which is a probiotic. Now,

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Speaker 1: no one has been a more vocal critic of the

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Speaker 1: probiotic space than me. I have generally viewed it as

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Speaker 1: a space that has demonstrated no efficacy despite all the

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Speaker 1: intentions in the world. In the past year, I have

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Speaker 1: sort of changed my take. So there was this study

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Speaker 1: that came out that looked at a certain type of

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Speaker 1: probiotic and noted that a certain type of bacteria in

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Speaker 1: it would help with the production of then called buterrate,

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Speaker 1: and this was actually helping with glucose disposal. The results

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Speaker 1: of the study actually were pretty impressive. It was a

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Speaker 1: relatively short study of three month study, but it demonstrated

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Speaker 1: in the group that was actually taking this probiotic, and

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Speaker 1: this was in a blinded randomized trial, that these patients

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Speaker 1: with type two diabetes had a significant reduction in blood glucose.

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Speaker 1: Even though I don't have type two diabetes, I sort

652
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Speaker 1: of subscribe to the idea that everybody benefits from lower

653
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Speaker 1: blood glucose, including those without diabetes. So that's a probiotic

654
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Speaker 1: that I take. I don't have any involvement with the company.

655
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: The company is called Pendulum, but I take their glucose

656
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Speaker 1: control probiotic.

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Speaker 3: Can you walk us through a bit on glucose control,

658
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Speaker 3: because I think that's still an area that for people

659
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Speaker 3: who are not as well informed that that's an area

660
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Speaker 3: that I learned about probably in the last year and

661
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Speaker 3: a half. That has changed what I eat first thing

662
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Speaker 3: in the morning. It's changed what I'm meeting at different times.

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Speaker 3: Like to me, I was just like, oh, if I

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Speaker 3: need a boost of something, as long as it's a

665
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 3: healthy sugar, it's fine. Not only to realize that, you know,

666
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Speaker 3: causing spikes in my blood blood glucose level. So could

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Speaker 3: you us through that a little bit.

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Speaker 1: You know, Glucose is this essential, very simple carbohydrate. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of the final common pathway of most carbohydrates. There

670
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Speaker 1: are other simple carbohydrates as well, fructose being one of them.

671
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Speaker 1: So sugar, for example, table sugar is a is a

672
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Speaker 1: molecule of fructose and a molecule of glucose. But glucose

673
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Speaker 1: is the is the most abundant carbohydrate final breakdown product,

674
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Speaker 1: and it's very highly regulated. At any point in time

675
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Speaker 1: you're walking around with you know, if you haven't eaten

676
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: that day, somewhere between four and five grams of glucose

677
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: in your blood, maybe say four to six grams of

678
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: glucose in your blood, which is just over a tablespoon

679
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: or a teaspoon rather so tiny, tiny amount, but you're

680
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: using it constantly, and therefore your liver is constantly putting

681
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: more out into your circulation, ever so delicately, and the

682
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: balance of that is so fine that if that level

683
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Speaker 1: were to be just twice as much, if you were

684
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Speaker 1: to go from one tea spoon teaspoon to two teaspoons,

685
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Speaker 1: that would be consistent with having type two diabetes. So

686
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Speaker 1: type two diabetes is a condition where an individual can't

687
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Speaker 1: control the amount of glucose in their blood. This is

688
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: very problematic because glucose, when it becomes too high, starts

689
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: sticking to proteins, and it starts causing damage all over

690
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: the place, but primarily to small blood vessels, so blood

691
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Speaker 1: vessels in the heart, blood vessels and the kidney, in

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Speaker 1: the brain, if you're if you're in the extremities of

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Speaker 1: the toes. That's why people type two diabetes are more

694
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Speaker 1: susceptible to amputations, kidney disease, heart disease, strokes, Alzheimer's disease,

695
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: all of these things, anything that compromises blood flow and oxygen.

696
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Speaker 1: So it turns out that even if you don't have

697
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Speaker 1: type two diabetes, and that today is just defined by

698
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Speaker 1: a threshold of average blood glucose above one hundred and

699
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Speaker 1: forty milligrams per desolater. Even if you are not in

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Speaker 1: that category, it still appears that your mortality goes down

701
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Speaker 1: the lower your average blood glucose, so, meaning within the

702
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Speaker 1: normal range of glucose, lower is still better. People sometimes say, well,

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Speaker 1: does that just mean you know, you should never eat

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Speaker 1: a food that raises blood glucose. No, that doesn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: mean that at all. What it means is you need

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Speaker 1: to be mindful of matching your glucose consumption to your

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Speaker 1: capacity to dispose of glucose. And those are factors that

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Speaker 1: are of course highly impacted by how much you sleep.

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Speaker 1: So sleep interruptions in sleep dramatically reduce your capacity to

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Speaker 1: put glucose into your muscles, which means glucose levels get higher.

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00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: It also has to do significantly with how much you

712
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Speaker 1: exercise and how much muscle mass you have, so people

713
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Speaker 1: can have completely different tolerances for glucose. And I think

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Speaker 1: I write quite a bit about this, which is, you know,

715
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Speaker 1: basically trying to understand your glucose tolerance level comes down

716
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: to matching it with your insulin sensitivity, muscle mass, activity levels, sleep, stress,

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Speaker 1: et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, thank you so much, sorry, and I cut you

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Speaker 2: off from moving.

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Speaker 1: That's okay. So so just to go back to this

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Speaker 1: other point quickly. So, there are lots of other supplements

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Speaker 1: that I think can be really valuable. I think be

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Speaker 1: vita are very important, especially methlated B vitamins. Vitamin D

724
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Speaker 1: is very important. Many people, I think don't have sufficient

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00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: levels of vitamin D. I think the data on vitamin

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00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: D we could do an entire podcast on that. The

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Speaker 1: clinical trials looking at vitamin D levels are really poorly

728
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Speaker 1: done clinical trials, and so I think if a person

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Speaker 1: looks out at the literature and the literature says there's

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Speaker 1: no evidence that vitamin D really helps, I would argue

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Speaker 1: pretty strongly that those trials haven't asked the right question

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Speaker 1: and weren't designed correctly. So my view is it's better

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Speaker 1: to probably err on the side of caution and make

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Speaker 1: sure your vitamin D is probably somewhere between about forty

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Speaker 1: and sixty And if you're not achieving that through natural

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Speaker 1: exposure to sunlight, which many people are not, then you're

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Speaker 1: probably better off supplementing. There are a couple of other

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Speaker 1: supplements I really believe in, and I think magnesium is

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Speaker 1: a very important one. And I think you have to

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Speaker 1: be thoughtful about the form in which you take magnesium.

741
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Speaker 1: So you can take magnesium in a slow absorbing form

742
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Speaker 1: or a fast absorbing form that's poorly absorbed technically, and

743
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Speaker 1: I think we need both, right. So I think that

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00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: like a poorly absorbed magnesium would be like a citrate,

745
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: glyconate or oxide, and those actually really help with bowel regularity.

746
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Speaker 1: So for anybody who's a little bit constipated or just

747
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: you know, kind of needs to be a little bit

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Speaker 1: more regular, we always want to have in anywhere from

749
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Speaker 1: two to five hundred milligrams of one of those forms. Conversely,

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Speaker 1: I think virtually everybody also benefits from a slow absorbing

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Speaker 1: form of magnesium. The brand that I like is called

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Speaker 1: slow Magaga. And I don't have any affiliation with any

753
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: of these companies unless I'm disclosing it as I did

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00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: with ag that Actually, you know, so most people if

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00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: they notice, oh I have a little bit of cramping sometimes,

756
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: or you know, I'm getting little palpitations called PVCs, sometimes

757
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: those get a lot better with magnesium supplementation, so I

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Speaker 1: think most people benefit from that. There's another type of

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00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: magnesium that I'm a fan of, called magnesium L three

760
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: and eight, which is magnesium paired to a transporter that

761
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: gets the magnesium into the brain. I think there's reasonable evidence.

762
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's incredible, but I think it's quite

763
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Speaker 1: good that MAGNESISL three and eight is beneficial to the

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Speaker 1: brain and might even have some capacity to reduce the

765
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Speaker 1: risk of dementia. Before bed, I tend to rely on ashwagonda,

766
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: which I believe you said is in there. So I

767
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Speaker 1: take a big dose of ashwaganda and glycine, and again

768
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Speaker 1: I take that magnesium L three and eight, and those

769
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Speaker 1: are kind of things that I think help with reducing

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00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: cortisol and making it a little easier to sleep. Then

771
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: the final supplement that I do think most people benefit from,

772
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: and there are probably many others, but I'm just sort

773
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: of going through a few that I can think of,

774
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: would be fish oil. So most people probably don't consume

775
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 1: enough marine fat to get what I think are ideal

776
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: amounts of EPA and DHA, which are two very special

777
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: types of fats called omega three fatty acids and EPA

778
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: and DHA. I think the balance of evidence is quite

779
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 1: strong that they're both beneficial to the heart and the brain.

780
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 1: EPA probably a little bit more for the heart, DHA

781
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: probably a little bit more for the brain. I take

782
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: a brand that I've had tested because you always want

783
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: to be careful about contaminants here, and it's made by

784
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: a company called Carlson's. Again, I have no affiliation with them,

785
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: but I take their EPA and DHA daily as well.

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Speaker 3: That's a fantastic summary for anyone who's looking. I take

787
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 3: all those things. Yeah, you know, I think that's a

788
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 3: brilliant summary. And I really hope everyone who's listening and watching,

789
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 3: you know, get those checks and tests done and grab

790
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 3: those supplements, because again, I like what you're saying that

791
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 3: it's all about erring on the side of caution rights.

792
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 3: It's almost like protecting yourself being safe, rather than assuming

793
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 3: that A you get this or B it doesn't really matter,

794
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 3: you know. Is it that we used to find these

795
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 3: supplements in other forms before or as humans? If we

796
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 3: always ignored this and now we've suddenly figured it out,

797
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 3: or has our lifestyle just got so stressful and intense

798
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 3: that we're needing more of all of this to to

799
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Speaker 3: support the pace at which we're moving.

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Speaker 1: That's a great question. I do think that the supplement

801
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: world is such a slippery, dirty world that I always

802
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: want to throw out a disclaimer, which is when I

803
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Speaker 1: talk about these things, I'm also very diligent about the

804
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: brands that I buy, So again, I have no affiliation

805
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: with any of these entities, but having looked at third

806
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: party testing, I find the brand Jerro Jarrow the brand

807
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: Pure Encapsulations to be two of the most reputable companies

808
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: out there. So I'm basically always going to try to

809
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Speaker 1: buy from them if I can, even if I'm paying

810
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: a little bit of a premium. Your question is a

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Speaker 1: very good one, and I don't know how much you've

812
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: paid attention to kind of the field of regenerative agriculture,

813
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: but it's a topic that interests me quite a bit,

814
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Speaker 1: and the more I've read about it, the more I've

815
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Speaker 1: come to realize that I actually think part of the

816
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 1: problem is our food today is far less nutrient dense

817
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: than it once was, and so I do think that

818
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Speaker 1: many of us don't get the same quantity and density

819
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Speaker 1: of nutrients today that we did for the same caloric intake,

820
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Speaker 1: say fifty years ago. And the proponents of regenerative agriculture

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Speaker 1: would argue that a big part of that has to

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Speaker 1: do with soil health. So as the health of the

823
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Speaker 1: soil has deteriorated with more tillage, more fertilizers, less crop rotation,

824
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Speaker 1: all of these things, the net result of that is

825
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: the plants themselves are less healthy. So when you're eating

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Speaker 1: a plant, you're getting less nutrient density. And of course

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Speaker 1: when you're eating meat if you're an omnivore, the meat

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Speaker 1: is also less healthy and less nutrient dense because it's

829
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Speaker 1: eating a less nutrient dense plant, which is growing in

830
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: a less nutrient dense soil. And so the old adage

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Speaker 1: that you know, it's hard to be healthier than the

832
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Speaker 1: animal you eat, which can't be much healthier than the

833
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: plant it eats, which can't be much healthier than the

834
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Speaker 1: soil it grows in, brings this whole thing full circle.

835
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Speaker 1: And so I suspect that that is a pretty significant

836
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Speaker 1: role in it. Coupled with the changes in our lifestyle. Right,

837
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Speaker 1: so many of us would have got sufficient vitamin D,

838
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: for example, in the past because we would have been

839
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: outside more, and we would have been active more, and

840
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Speaker 1: you know today we aren't.

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Speaker 3: As one example, are you seeing the rise of more

842
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 3: regenerative farming and places to buy regenerative vegetables.

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Speaker 1: Or yeah, I mean yeah, no, it absolutely is and

844
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Speaker 1: and there there, there are, there are some great places,

845
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Speaker 1: you know. Certainly, one of my sincere hopes is that

846
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, we see we see a greater and greater

847
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: movement to scale this because I do think regenerative agriculture

848
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Speaker 1: is not only what I think of as one of

849
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 1: the most important ways in which we can improve human

850
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,479
Speaker 1: health through nutrition, but but for folks who are also

851
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:50,959
Speaker 1: concerned with with climate change and the effects of anthropogenic

852
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: CO two, regenerative agriculture probably has more potential to attenuate

853
00:42:55,400 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: that than anything else, inclusive of electrifying the entire transperrotation grid.

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00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: And that's a pretty bold statement.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 3: It's very bord and this so I want to dive

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00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 3: into it too, Like what gives you confidence to make

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00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 3: that bold stimula? What have you seen that has given

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Speaker 3: you that conviction.

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Speaker 1: It really comes down to understanding the capacity for plants

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Speaker 1: to fixate carbon. I'm sure everybody understands, you know, the

862
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: basics of how how CO two works, right, So, why

863
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Speaker 1: why is there a concern with the combustion of fossil

864
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Speaker 1: fuels Because when you're combusting a fossil fuel, whether it

865
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: be coal or natural gas, you're taking carbon that was

866
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: sequestered billions of years ago in the form of fossilized

867
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: you know, organic matter, and you're now liberating that carbon

868
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: dioxide out. So how do we get carbon dioxide back

869
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: in the system? Well, plants do that. So plants have

870
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: a capacity to do something that no animal does, which

871
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: is they fixate carbon. So they fix Fixing carbon literally

872
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: is just the chemical process of taking a carbon out

873
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: of the out of CO two and attaching it to

874
00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: another hydrocarbon. The way that regenerative agriculture works is by

875
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: storing more and more CO two and carbon specifically in

876
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,959
Speaker 1: the soil. So right now, the way conventional agriculture works,

877
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 1: when you're constantly tilling the soil, you're leeching carbon out

878
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: of the soil. And so you know, when you look

879
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: at the mathematical models that look at how much carbon

880
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: could be brought back into the ground and sequestered ie

881
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: brought out of the atmosphere, it's more significant than the

882
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: carbon that's being put out through the combustion of fossil fuels.

883
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: The reason I'm particularly excited about that is you're basically

884
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: getting two winds for the price of one, right, so

885
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: you're reducing atmospheric CO two, but doing so in a

886
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: manner that's also very positive for our health because in

887
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 1: doing that, you're increasing the soil health and by extension,

888
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: than the nutrient density of plants and ultimately animals and ourselves.

889
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 3: What's your take on regender agriculture versus lab produced.

890
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: I have yet to see any evidence that laboratory produced

891
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: meats and vegetables can be done really well at scale,

892
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: or that they are particularly certainly any more viable in

893
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: terms of the nutrient density. I think in part it

894
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: comes down to the complexity of soil. There's a great

895
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: book I would recommend for people who want to go

896
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: really deep on this. I believe. The book is called

897
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: What Your Food Ate, and it's a wonderful book. It's

898
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: a bit of a deep dive. It's a nerdy book,

899
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 1: it's not light reading, and they go into incredible detail.

900
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: About David Montgomery.

901
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: Yes, and there's another author as well, Afe and Beekley yep,

902
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: once you get under the hood of how complex soil is.

903
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: So for example, many people talk about the human gut biome,

904
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: and you know, we talked a minutes ago about probiotics, right, Well,

905
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: the human gut biome is really complicated, and we haven't

906
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: figured out a way to perfectly model it. I mean,

907
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: maybe we're just getting to the point where we can

908
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: figure out, if we add a little bit more of

909
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: one bacteria, can it make a difference in the direction

910
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: that this thing goes. Well, it turns out that soil

911
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: is probably even more biodiverse and complicated than the bacteria

912
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: in our gut. And so again, I just think it's

913
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: very difficult for us to sort of play super farmer

914
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: and think that we can kind of replicate what nature

915
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: has figured out for you know, literally a billion years.

916
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 3: Well, so, yeah, so your understanding is actually that we

917
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 3: don't know enough about the complexity of the soil, which

918
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 3: is actually what is impacting the quality of the vegetable

919
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 3: or hence the all the way the chain. Hence, even

920
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 3: if we can produce a vegetable or meat in a lab,

921
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 3: it won't have that same.

922
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: That that's my take on it, which says nothing about

923
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: which says nothing. By the way, about the scale factor.

924
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, scale matters,

925
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: like I mean food. I think it's safe to say

926
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: agriculture is the second largest industry in the world just

927
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: in terms of like the magnitude of what it takes.

928
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: You have to have solutions that work broadly, and by

929
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: the way, I think that's still There are certainly proponents

930
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: of regenerative egg who say it can be scaled, but

931
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: I think that's an open question.

932
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: Still regenerative agricultures.

933
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: Can it be scaled to meet the needs of the

934
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: entire world?

935
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, what are the challenges with scaling that?

936
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: It's a totally different infrastructure too, truthfully, right, it's not

937
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: going to rely on as much automation, so for example,

938
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: like you're not going to be able to rely you know.

939
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: So one of the hallmarks of regeneraveagg is you're not

940
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: using fertilizer, so you're not using the nitrogen of a fertilizer,

941
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: you're actually using the nitrogen of the animals. Another one

942
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: is you're not using pesticides, so you're crop rotating instead

943
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: of using pesticides and allowing you know, the crops themselves

944
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: to generate resistance by cycling them and not letting the

945
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: pests get used to the same crop, not to you know,

946
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: belabor the point, but all of a sudden, the industry

947
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: that is now dominant by the pioneers, the Cargills, the

948
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 1: Monsantos of the world, it's going to have to look

949
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: very different. So I think that's a big challenge, is

950
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: going from big to little and then scaling little, if

951
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:10,919
Speaker 1: that makes sense.

952
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 3: Where are the places, like if people are fascinated to

953
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 3: have you been out to any regenerative agriculture farms?

954
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's one outside of Austin. There's actually

955
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: one here in California.

956
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 2: So it don't be many.

957
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: I mean there's so the one out in California is

958
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: called there's a documentary made about it called I think

959
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: the documentary is called Biggest Little Farm. It's not too

960
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: far from here, by the way, and my kids were

961
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: obsessed with this, so we like watch this documentary like

962
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, fifteen times, but you'll get a sense

963
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: of what it looks like. But yes, no, I mean

964
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: I think everybody can find regenerative farms near them, So

965
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: really it's just a question of helping farmers understand why

966
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: ultimately it is in their best interest to do this,

967
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: so economically it makes more sense. But look, it's going

968
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: to require the government completely changing incentive structures and changing

969
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: the way they subsidize certain crops today. It's a big shift.

970
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

971
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 3: What's your take on people trying to create little farms

972
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 3: in their home, like they're like mini growing.

973
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, I think it's wonderful. I think

974
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: if you can grow your own vegetables, I mean, we

975
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: have a vegetable garden, and there's no question that the

976
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: vegetables we grow taste infinitely better than anything we're going

977
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: to buy at the grocery store.

978
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 3: And how do you take care of the soil in

979
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 3: your area? You're saying because it's untouched, it naturally.

980
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: Has Yeah, I mean we compost our own stuff, so

981
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: but it's you know, look, it's not even big enough

982
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: to completely feed us. So you know, there's work that

983
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: goes into this. And I have friends that do have

984
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: the time and effort to at least, you know, support

985
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 1: themselves fully.

986
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 2: That's beautiful. Yeah, yeah, I love that.

987
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 3: You know. My wife's really my wife's really big on that.

988
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 3: She wants to build a little vegetable garden on the

989
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 3: back right now in the same way, because that's one

990
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 3: of her core beliefs as well.

991
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: So just this past weekend, I was I had to

992
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: put all this chicken wire around the fence where our

993
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: garden is because these squirrels are figuring out a way

994
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 1: to get under the fence and they're like eating all

995
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: the tomatoes and the peppers and stuff. And it's like

996
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: my son who's eight, this is his project, and it

997
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 1: just drives them nuts when the squirrels are getting them.

998
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 2: So what a great age to like get connected.

999
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: So it's so great.

1000
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the land and to the soil into growing.

1001
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 3: That's so beautiful.

1002
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 2: I love that.

1003
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, We've had a gopher problem for years here and

1004
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 3: it's like it's always ruining the lawn and I'm like, well,

1005
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 3: if I plant vegetables here, those vegetables are going to

1006
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 3: be gone.

1007
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. You have to you have to be smart about it.

1008
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, incredible.

1009
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 3: I want to make sure that everyone knows the book

1010
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 3: dives into cancer Alzheimer's. We talked about we were going

1011
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 3: to dive into exercise in a second. We talked about diet,

1012
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 3: you know, eating less, eating patterns. I want to make

1013
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 3: sure because I don't want to either repeat things that

1014
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 3: are already in the book or repeat things you've talked

1015
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 3: about in other interviews, and so I just want everyone

1016
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 3: who's listening to know that that you know, it dives

1017
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 3: into multiple key diseases that were all struggling with today

1018
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 3: and the biggest challenges. One thing I wanted to talk

1019
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 3: to you about, which I think you really wonderfully highlighted,

1020
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 3: was this challenge between physical health and emotional health. And

1021
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 3: you talk about the need for prioritizing emotional health as well,

1022
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 3: and I've found that so much of my subtlely emotional

1023
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 3: health was so based on physical health. So what I

1024
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 3: mean by that is I found at one point in

1025
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 3: doing all of my checks and tests that and by

1026
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 3: the way I was doing I was functioning at like

1027
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 3: a really optimal level. I was just feeling tired, and

1028
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 3: when we did my test, we found that my vitamin

1029
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 3: D was at a ten. This was around two three

1030
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 3: years ago, and I realized the majority of the challenges

1031
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 3: I was having was because I was sleeping. We rented

1032
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 3: a home during COVID. We moved from our apartment, and

1033
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 3: when we rented this space, I never slept well in

1034
00:51:56,120 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 3: that space because it was just the most like noisy,

1035
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 3: loud area, because there were it was it was in

1036
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 3: the middle of too many animals, too many things at night,

1037
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 3: like going through the floorboards, like it was an old,

1038
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 3: old space, and so there was like I was waking

1039
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 3: up multiple times, which I don't usually go through. And

1040
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 3: so I started to find that a lot of my

1041
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 3: emotional challenges, whether it's fatigue, irritability, you know, stress, because

1042
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 3: of that environment was causing emotional challenges. But it was

1043
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 3: actually all coming from a physical space, if that makes

1044
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 3: sense for sure. And I think so often these days,

1045
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 3: I find a lot of us are just trying to

1046
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 3: solve everything in our mind rather than recognizing that often

1047
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 3: it's a chemical, it's biological, it's it's physical. So I

1048
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 3: want to just point that out to people because I

1049
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 3: think a lot of us are like I could have

1050
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 3: done anything to change. I was working out, I was

1051
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 3: trying to sleep right, I was doing everything I possibly could,

1052
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 3: but because my vitamin D was at a level ten,

1053
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 3: there's not much you can do. And instead of apart

1054
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 3: from taking vitamin D supplements, how where are you saying

1055
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 3: this relationship? Where are you seeing this relationship between emotional

1056
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 3: health and physical health.

1057
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: Well, they're absolutely linked. And you know, I think that

1058
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: one of the things that I've observed, you know, my

1059
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: therapists will always ask me at the beginning of a session,

1060
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: is how are you doing physically? So are you in pain? Right?

1061
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: Is you know, is your shoulder bugging you? Is your

1062
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: back bugging you? Do you have like an ulcer in

1063
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: your mouth or something like like literally something like that,

1064
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: How are you rested? And how much stress are you under?

1065
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: And the reason I think is those things exacerbate vulnerabilities

1066
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: that we have on the emotional side, on the mental side.

1067
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: So if you take an individual in two the same

1068
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: individual in two parallel universes, but in one situation, they

1069
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: have lots of issues going on physically, right, so they're

1070
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 1: not well rested, their vitamin D is low, they're in pain.

1071
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: And you have another individual for which everything is physically

1072
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: firing on all cylinders, and you present them with the

1073
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: same emotional distress, You're going to see a completely different response.

1074
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: That's a big part of why I think it does

1075
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: matter to keep your physical health in order to optimize

1076
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: your emotional health. But I would also argue that you

1077
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: could still have your physical health in perfect order and

1078
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: not becoming close to addressing your emotional health.

1079
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 3: When you use the term emotional health, what does that

1080
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 3: constitute for you?

1081
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: I try to distinguish it from mental health, right, I

1082
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: think mental health is a subset of emotional health, but

1083
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: it's the perhaps the more medicalized piece of it. So

1084
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: in medicine we use something called the DSM, the Diagnostic

1085
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: and Statistical Manual. I think we're in version five, and

1086
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: that's the one that codifies psychiatric illnesses, right, everything from depression, anxiety,

1087
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: different personality disorders and all sorts of things like that.

1088
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: And those things clearly matter, But I'm talking about something

1089
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: that is applicable to everyone, whereas those things might only

1090
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: be applicable to people who would meet diagnostic criteria. So

1091
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: emotional health, in the sense the way I think about it,

1092
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: kind of encompasses your relationships with other people, your sense

1093
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 1: of purpose, fulfillment, happiness, joy, spontaneity, all of these things

1094
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: that every human should be thinking about, because every human

1095
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: is a part of those things. In my case, you know.

1096
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: So the book is written basically at seventeen chapters. Sixteen

1097
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: of the chapters are me, you know, writing about it

1098
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 1: as the doctor, the scientist. And then the last chapter,

1099
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: which is about emotional health, is me actually just writing

1100
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: about my personal experience and my own well transformation, I

1101
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: think would be an understatement. You know, I think that

1102
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: the most important lesson for me in the past decade

1103
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: has been that all the health stuff that makes up

1104
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: most of that book, how do you reduce your odds

1105
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: of getting cancer? How do you reduce your odds of

1106
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: getting heart disease, Alzheimer's disease? How do you make sure

1107
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 1: your muscles work better? In the la last decade of

1108
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: you know, all those things, they're very important. But if

1109
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: you're miserable, none of it matters. Right, If your relationships suck,

1110
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: none of it matters. And I can't state that enough.

1111
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: But I couldn't have understood that a decade ago. You know,

1112
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: I had to personally experience things going really wrong. I

1113
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: had to nearly lose everything to realize I've really missed

1114
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: the plot here and if I don't get this stuff addressed,

1115
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: then the rest of this outliving doesn't mean anything.

1116
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 2: What was the wake up quote for you or what

1117
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 2: was the I mean?

1118
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,879
Speaker 1: I think you know it was essentially almost losing my family, right,

1119
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: it was just being so selfish and so such an

1120
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: awful person that, you know, I finally woke up and

1121
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: realized how much I was hurting everybody around me, and

1122
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: I was confronted with that, and confronted with the reality

1123
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: that I had no choice but to go away and

1124
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: get help to sort of address my own reasons for

1125
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: why my coping mechanisms were so negative.

1126
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 3: What made you so selfish and awful? Like, where did

1127
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:08,240
Speaker 3: that come from?

1128
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, again, at the time, I had no clue.

1129
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: But also at the time, I don't think I was

1130
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: even privy to understanding what I was doing. But obviously

1131
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: as I as I talk about in the chapter, and

1132
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: I what I basically learned is I think a lot

1133
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: of my adaptations had to do with, you know, certain

1134
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: things in my childhood, some of which were, you know,

1135
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: I describe as kind of big T trauma and some

1136
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: of which are frankly just little TA trauma. But collectively

1137
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: they just produced a response, an adaptation. I talk about

1138
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: this sort of model of trauma where wounded children become

1139
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: adaptive children, and adaptive children are there to protect the

1140
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: wounded children. And I think that's a remarkable trait of

1141
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: us as humans, right, we are very resilient. The problem

1142
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: is that a lot of those adaptations become maladaptive in

1143
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: adult life. And I think that's really what I was

1144
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: dealing with, was so many of my adaptations, you know,

1145
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: for example, control, drive, perfection, anger, All of those things

1146
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: served me quite well as a child, but as a

1147
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: husband and as a father, they were not serving me

1148
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: well anymore. And all of the good that came from

1149
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: those adaptations, for example, a strong work ethic, a desire

1150
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: to do good, was more being done for the wrong reasons.

1151
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: It was I'll show them, I will you know, I

1152
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: will matter, my self esteem will be based on performance,

1153
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: et cetera. And I think all of that had to

1154
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: be turned on its head. For me. That was sort

1155
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: of my journey, was learning how to undo all of

1156
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: the maladaptive behaviors, to try to keep the good parts

1157
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: of the adaptation and then shed the harmful ones.

1158
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 3: Why do you think it takes us? Thank you for sharing,

1159
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 3: by the way, and I know you go into a

1160
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 3: more depth in the book, and I find this fascinating,

1161
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 3: and I think people I'm so happy that you address it,

1162
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 3: because I think people find it especially fascinating From coming

1163
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 3: from you, because often they've just seen as such separate

1164
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 3: things and separate pursuits, but for you to unify in

1165
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 3: them is really really interesting. Why do you think it

1166
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 3: takes so many of us so long to address the

1167
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 3: very root cause of so much of our problems? And

1168
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 3: you partly covered it there that some of these things

1169
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 3: become superpowers in the material world, like they're phenomenal at

1170
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 3: you know, manipulating the outside world through control and perfectionism, etc.

1171
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 3: But then in the inner world and the family tends

1172
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 3: to suffer from that, Why does it take us so

1173
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 3: long to look backwards almost to look forwards in both

1174
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 3: our genetic background and are also genetic trauma in that sense.

1175
00:59:54,120 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: I don't think we want to uncover painful things less

1176
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: the pain that we're confronting is greater than the pain

1177
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: we're going to encounter by doing so. That's probably my

1178
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: simplest thought as to why. I just think that, like,

1179
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: how many people without ever having experienced dental pain would

1180
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: go to the dentist right like you do as a kid,

1181
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: because you're sort of told. But when I think about now,

1182
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: like why do I put so much effort into taking

1183
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: care of my teeth? It's because I've learned how miserable

1184
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: it is when I don't. I think, until you experience

1185
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: enough discomfort in the present, and in my case that

1186
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: came through the circumstances. I write about the pain of

1187
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: turning around and going back and exploring what happened and why,

1188
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: and then embarking on the corrective steps and learning a

1189
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: whole new language and a whole new set of skills.

1190
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: I mean, there's in chemistry we call that the activation energy.

1191
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: You have a chemical reaction, right, so you know every

1192
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: chemical reaction has to overcome some sort of activation energy,

1193
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: and the higher that activation energy, the less likely that

1194
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: reaction is to take place. So enzymes, which people have

1195
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: heard what's an enzyme? Do an enzyme or a catalyst

1196
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: will make that reaction more likely. It lowers that barrier

1197
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: to activation. So I think what we need in our

1198
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: life are catalysts. We need something, and unfortunately, I think

1199
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: sometimes it often has to be painful a loss to

1200
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: force us to do that. I make a point when

1201
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: I showed up in the first rehab place I went to,

1202
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: there was this There's a woman that I met there

1203
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: who could sort of see from the look on my

1204
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 1: face that I wasn't happy to be there. She just

1205
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: said to me in a manner that was just so perfect.

1206
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: She said, Hey, nobody shows up here on a winning streak.

1207
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: This is just one hundred percent true.

1208
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 3: How did you help the people around you that you

1209
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 3: cared about be patient as you went through your own

1210
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 3: gen Because I feel like it's really interesting when we

1211
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 3: are trying to solve our own wounds and pain, it's

1212
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 3: already so hard. But because we've taken on responsibilities or commitments,

1213
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 3: whether that be in a marriage or as a parent,

1214
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 3: or even as a CEO or a boss or whatever

1215
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 3: it may be, it's like, all of a sudden, you

1216
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 3: have so many other commitments that you had taken on

1217
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 3: even before you realized you had to work on yourself.

1218
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 3: Did you find yourself helping them while you helped yourself

1219
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 3: to be around and be supportive as opposed to like

1220
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 3: tap out and say, you know what, we don't want

1221
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 3: to be around? Because I think we often look at like,

1222
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 3: how are people helping us in our time of struggle?

1223
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 3: But sometimes it's like we already committed to them, and

1224
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 3: then we realize that does that make any sense?

1225
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: It makes a ton of sense, And I will tell you.

1226
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: I think it just speaks to how fortunate I am

1227
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: and perhaps why I feel I have an obligation to

1228
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: talk about it, which is I just think I was

1229
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: really lucky and that the people around me stood by

1230
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: me and let me go through this and gave me

1231
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:04,919
Speaker 1: the chance to do it and stood by me because

1232
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think many people would have. I really,

1233
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, I've said this to my wife many times.

1234
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: I describe her as like, you know, sort of hall

1235
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 1: of fame wife who didn't really need to stick by me.

1236
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: I think she had enough reasons to leave and take

1237
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: my kids away and just say to hell with that guy,

1238
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: and that she didn't. I will forever pay that forward.

1239
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: And I think the same is true of people that

1240
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,919
Speaker 1: I worked with who knew I was struggling. I think,

1241
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: deep down believed that I was not a bad person.

1242
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: I was a good person who did very bad things,

1243
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: and that I deserved another chance. I wish I could

1244
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: say I was supporting them on that journey, but I

1245
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: don't think I was. I think I was just reeling

1246
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: in pain and lucky that they stood by me.

1247
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for sharing that. That's that really hit me.

1248
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 3: As you know, don't expect people to catch you when

1249
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 3: you're falling, but if they stand by you, never let

1250
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,439
Speaker 3: them leave you aside, because I think most of us could,

1251
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 3: probably the fortunate ones attest to that. I would say

1252
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 3: that about my wife too, I'd say that about my parents.

1253
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 3: I'd say that about the people that I'm surrounded by,

1254
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 3: that sometimes I haven't had the capacity to help them

1255
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 3: as I help myself, even though I intend to. But

1256
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 3: the problem sometimes is we do the other extreme, where

1257
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 3: we demand.

1258
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 2: Them to help us. That's the balance.

1259
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 3: It's like the gratitude that you're displaying right now is

1260
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 3: actually like the right, I think a wonderful balance, because

1261
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 3: we do either all We either go I'm going to

1262
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 3: solve this myself and I don't need anyone, or I

1263
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 3: want my family to solve my problems for me, And

1264
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 3: like we live in one of those extremes, and you're

1265
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 3: actually saying, well, I had to help myself. I'd to

1266
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 3: admit I didn't have the capacity to help them at

1267
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 3: the time. But now I'm just grateful and I'm humbled

1268
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 3: by the fact that they stayed here. Like there's some

1269
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 3: beauty to that and that that really resonates.

1270
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 1: It's probably four years after one of the events that

1271
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 1: I write about in this book, which was when my

1272
01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: son almost died. I was talking to Esther Parrel and

1273
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: I was just saying, I don't think I could ever

1274
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: forgive myself for what I did. And she said, that's okay.

1275
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: I think it's okay that you remember this for the

1276
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: rest of your life. I think there's a degree of

1277
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: humility you need to carry with you forever. And I

1278
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: think that was a really wise thing to say, right, Like,

1279
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: I think it would have been easy to have said no, no, no, no, no,

1280
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: you should just forget about this and move on. But

1281
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: she's like, no, you should remember this forever. This is

1282
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: the humility you need to remember. And she described it

1283
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: in a very eloquent way, which was you need to

1284
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: understand that there's a monster in you and he's never

1285
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 1: going to go away. I'm confident you will keep him

1286
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: in the corner for the rest of his life. But

1287
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 1: don't ever take an eye off him. Yeah, and don't

1288
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 1: ever think that just because you're better now, you're better

1289
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 1: for life. This is a constant process.

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01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, And remembering that there's a monster in you, but

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01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 3: you are not that monster.

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01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, he's over in the corner, and you

1293
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: have the you are the one in charge of whether

1294
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: he stays in that corner.

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01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it reminds me. I remember in my early experience

1296
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 3: of living as a monk. I said to one of

1297
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 3: my monk teachers, I said, I just feel like I'll

1298
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 3: never overcome my ego, Like it just is too big,

1299
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 3: Like there's two mutch to deal with. And it's not

1300
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 3: that it's coming out in an externally gross way that

1301
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 3: it's manifesting. But I know it's there. You know, we've

1302
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 3: trained in self awareness and I can see it. And

1303
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 3: he said to me, yeah, it's always going to be

1304
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 3: there because it's not going anywhere, And he said, it

1305
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 3: will always act as your anchor and ground you and

1306
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 3: humble you even when you saw to new heights or

1307
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 3: whatever else your life brings to you. That you knowing

1308
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 3: that it's there is actually what will help you, right,

1309
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 3: you know, stay grounded, which is such a beautiful reminder

1310
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 3: as opposed to like ego death and we're going to

1311
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 3: crush it in. It's interesting with health too, right, with

1312
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 3: emotional health and physical health. That from what you said,

1313
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 3: the first thing you said today was you know there

1314
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 3: are certain things from the moment you're born that that's it.

1315
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 3: It's already going in the wrong direction, and we often

1316
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 3: think of like, how do I end this? So how

1317
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 3: do I start this? How do I finish this? And

1318
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 3: it's like, well, most things are just in motion. They're

1319
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 3: not beginning or ending, they're just already happening. And as

1320
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 3: you said earlier, we're trying to slow it down, or

1321
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 3: we're trying to be aware of it, or we're trying

1322
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 3: to monitor it. When you were speaking about your family

1323
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 3: there and you were talking about that emotional wellbeing, there

1324
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:28,439
Speaker 3: was something that came to mind. There were these two

1325
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 3: beautiful words you used, which one of them is used

1326
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 3: a lot, but one of them not so much. We

1327
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 3: talked about joy and spontaneity. And I love the word spontaneity.

1328
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 3: I think it's not used enough when we talk about

1329
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 3: emotional health. Joy is used. But the challenge I find

1330
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 3: today when I'm talking to people is that we're so

1331
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 3: overexposed to it's whether chemically we're talking about dopamine or

1332
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 3: whether we're just talking about like fun, pleasure, instant gratification,

1333
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 3: which we've talked about for such a long time that

1334
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 3: every thing feels boring almost it's hard for people to

1335
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 3: get to a state of joy or spontaneity. I find

1336
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 3: that a lot of people have a sense of like, well,

1337
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 3: what's there to look forward to? It like, oh, well,

1338
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 3: nothing's that great, It's okay, like you know, whereas before

1339
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 3: and now it's like it feels like you've got to

1340
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 3: up the.

1341
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 2: Results so hard.

1342
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 3: And the problem is even when you up it, like

1343
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 3: you're thinking that happiness is in Europe on that yacht, right,

1344
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 3: and it's like, even if you got there, it won't

1345
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 3: actually even live up to that experience that you put

1346
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:39,839
Speaker 3: in your mind, because it was never about the physical

1347
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 3: manifestation of it. It was it was the idea that

1348
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:46,679
Speaker 3: you've overexposed yourself to so much pleasure that now even

1349
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:50,680
Speaker 3: the highest pleasures don't satisfy or suffice. How do we

1350
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 3: work on that? Like, what is the health and emotional

1351
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 3: version of approaching that problem?

1352
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 1: I wish I knew? I mean, and I think you're

1353
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: addressing one of the most important questions. And this is

1354
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: something I really struggle with because you know, for me,

1355
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: I and I was just talking about this with someone

1356
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 1: earlier today. I think about the next decade of my

1357
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 1: life this amazing time where I get to be with

1358
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 1: my kids the most. Because you know, as you're probably aware,

1359
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,679
Speaker 1: the data are pretty clear that once your kids leave

1360
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: for college, the amount of time you will get to

1361
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: spend with them is quite small. I think it works

1362
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 1: out to basically, you have a total of nineteen years

1363
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: with your kids, eighteen of which occur until they leave

1364
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 1: for college, and then one year is the sum total

1365
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: of time you will spend with your kids the rest

1366
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: of your life on average. So I look at that

1367
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 1: and I think I regret the time I've wasted so far, right,

1368
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 1: But so that's the stuff I talk about, and now

1369
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: I'm here in the future, I think, Wow, the greatest

1370
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:56,640
Speaker 1: source of joy I really experience is with my family. That,

1371
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: to me is what spontaneity is. Right. Spontaneity for me

1372
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 1: is an important and the reason I brought it up

1373
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: is I'm a very rigid person by nature. Like part

1374
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: of control for me is rigidity. Deviating from my plan

1375
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 1: is a very hard thing to do, but I also

1376
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 1: realize it's a very important thing to do. So, like

1377
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 1: I'm the kind of guy who makes lists on weekends

1378
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 1: me too, right, Like there's just like there's a list

1379
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 1: of twelve things that have to be done on Saturday

1380
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: and eight things that have to be done on Sunday.

1381
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:30,480
Speaker 1: And you can imagine that that rigidity takes any spontaneity

1382
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 1: out of life. And one of the great things I've

1383
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 1: learned is how to screw the list sometimes. The other day,

1384
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 1: when I went to get you know, I had to

1385
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 1: go to home depot to get all the chicken wire

1386
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 1: to do the thing like that wasn't on the list

1387
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: that day, but I could see that my son was

1388
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,680
Speaker 1: upset that the squirrels were eating his tomatoes, and I

1389
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 1: was like, you know what I'm supposed to be doing, X, Y,

1390
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: and Z, let's go to home depot.

1391
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1392
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 1: I think interestingly anyone who does that, which I'm sure

1393
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 1: is everybody listening to this at some point, can experience

1394
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 1: that those are probably the things that bring more joy

1395
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 1: than the yacht and Abiza. It doesn't mean that you

1396
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 1: should never go on the yacht in a Biza. Yeah,

1397
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 1: I think it just means that.

1398
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1399
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 1: I think it just means that don't dismiss the stuff

1400
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 1: that's right in front of you. And again, for most people,

1401
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 1: I really do believe connection is that thing like just

1402
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:24,799
Speaker 1: having intimate connection with friends and family probably provides more

1403
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 1: of that than any of these other kind of material things.

1404
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think what you're saying is actually true.

1405
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 3: And I want to clarify that point too, that I

1406
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 3: actually think that when you are not missing the simple

1407
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 3: things that are right in front of you, then when

1408
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 3: the big material thing is right in front of you,

1409
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 3: you won't miss that either. That's the point I believe, Like,

1410
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,679
Speaker 3: I think that if someone is grateful for where they're

1411
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 3: at and what they see and what they experience, and

1412
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 3: are able to immerse themselves in it, then the same

1413
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 3: happens on vacation, the same happens on the yacht as

1414
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 3: are thought exper like. The idea is is that the

1415
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 3: ability to experience a flower as a thought experiment in

1416
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 3: the most immersive way allows you to experience a garden,

1417
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 3: which allows you to experience a forest, which allows you

1418
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 3: know it's it's that you can't really fully experience the

1419
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 3: forest if you didn't know how to experience a leaf.

1420
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 3: That idea of that much immersed and I've and I've

1421
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 3: personally experienced both the presence and absence of those experiences

1422
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 3: where sometimes I'm walking up and down here or doing

1423
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:36,799
Speaker 3: my morning hike and you completely miss the view because

1424
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 3: you're on your phone, or even if your phone's not there,

1425
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 3: you're thinking about something and then and then second you

1426
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 3: look up and you're, oh, wait a minute, like this

1427
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 3: was right there. And so I think we all experience

1428
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 3: presence and absence, and I found that beautiful. We think

1429
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 3: beautiful things will make us more presence, but actually will

1430
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 3: be absent even in beautiful things if you're not present

1431
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 3: for the small things. And I've seen that again and

1432
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,680
Speaker 3: again and again in your example, and I'm just I'm

1433
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 3: only picking at this because I think there's so much

1434
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 3: lived experience and what you're saying, and the scientific backbone

1435
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 3: helps too. It's like, how have you also not ended up?

1436
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 3: Because it sounds like your kids and your family is

1437
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 3: just so important to you, which is beautiful, and I

1438
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 3: think that's true for so many people. But again, I

1439
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 3: find that a lot of the people that I'm talking

1440
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 3: to are living at the other extreme where they're like, Jay,

1441
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 3: I am so giving in to everything.

1442
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 2: My kids want to do, what my family wants to do.

1443
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 3: That I don't even have any of my own habits

1444
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,719
Speaker 3: and disciplines. Right Like for you going to get Chicken

1445
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 3: Wire was a spontaneous moment of love for your son

1446
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 3: who's worried about this project that he loves, Whereas for

1447
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,640
Speaker 3: some people, all they're living in is not spontaneity, but

1448
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 3: in urgency, and then they're not getting I was speaking

1449
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 3: to a friend the other day and they were telling me, Jay,

1450
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:53,680
Speaker 3: I wake up at six am, but what happened? And

1451
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:55,640
Speaker 3: then I was kind of walking through their schedule with

1452
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 3: them for the day and helping them map habits, and

1453
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 3: they were like, I don't know why. And I was like, well,

1454
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 3: when do you start cooking lunch for example that they

1455
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 3: as part of their day they have to do. And

1456
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 3: they were like twelve. And I was like, so what

1457
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 3: happens between six am and twelve noon? They're like I

1458
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:10,680
Speaker 3: don't know. And I was like, what do you mean,

1459
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 3: Like you don't know, Like that's six hours a time.

1460
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 3: Where does it go? And then they were like emails,

1461
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 3: phone calls, random people, call random things up and it's

1462
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 3: all like I'm like, Wow, you're waking up pretty early,

1463
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,719
Speaker 3: which is amazing, but now all of that six hours

1464
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 3: is just lost in kind of moving. How have you

1465
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 3: found that balance between like I love my children, I

1466
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 3: want to be there, but I also need to do

1467
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 3: everything I say in this book, which takes time and energy.

1468
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,839
Speaker 1: I don't want to necessarily use myself as an example

1469
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 1: because I also realize like I have some really good

1470
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:40,640
Speaker 1: things going for me, which is I have like an

1471
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 1: amazing spouse, and I have an amazing team and all

1472
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:47,759
Speaker 1: of these things. But what everyone around me has figured

1473
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 1: out is if you want to get the best out

1474
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 1: of me as a husband, as a father, as a friend,

1475
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:55,639
Speaker 1: as a boss, as a colleague, whatever it is, if

1476
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 1: you want the best version of Peter, he also has

1477
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 1: to be well rested, be eating well, he has to

1478
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 1: be exercising, he has to be doing the things that

1479
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: he has to do every day for his mental health.

1480
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 1: I am actually quite structured when it comes to that stuff,

1481
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 1: so I'm very routined with how I do things. So

1482
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 1: I do not take a single call or meeting, with

1483
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 1: very rare exceptions once a month. There's an exception to

1484
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 1: this rule. Before eleven am. I am scheduled without a

1485
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 1: break from eleven to five every single day, So I

1486
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 1: have six hours of pure scheduled that I consider that

1487
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 1: not my time, that's my patient's time, that's my team's time.

1488
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 1: That's me giving thirty hours a week to everybody. I

1489
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 1: get up at about six. From six to eleven is

1490
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 1: really sacred time. So six to seven is just coffee

1491
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 1: with my wife and playing with the kids. So my daughter,

1492
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: of course, no, she's still sleeping, but the boys we're

1493
01:15:56,120 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 1: playing board games, doing puzzles, having coffee, doing whatever. From

1494
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 1: seven to eight is work, Just get the emails done,

1495
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 1: read whatever I need to read, et ceteratcetera. From eight

1496
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 1: to eleven is hobby plus exercise, So every day I'm

1497
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 1: either in the simulator, driving or shooting my bow and arrow,

1498
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 1: and then I'm exercising. From five till about seven is

1499
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 1: family time, so I'm usually cooking dinner, playing with the kids,

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01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 1: going to you know, jiu jitsu, whatever it is. And

1501
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 1: then seven till ten is some combination of family time

1502
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,640
Speaker 1: plus work. And that's where there has to be some flexibility,

1503
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 1: like how much more work do I need to do?

1504
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 1: And the price I pay for that is I have

1505
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 1: to work on weekends too, right, Why because like I'm

1506
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 1: forcing the time to be spread out, and so that

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01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 1: means like, yeah, there's just you know, there's other things

1508
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to make sacrifices around. But I

1509
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 1: guess my point of that is you have to kind

1510
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 1: of try to take hold of the schedule a little

1511
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 1: bit and sort of say, like, there are certain things

1512
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 1: that are non negotiable. So not exercising is a non negotiable.

1513
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 1: Not having some time with my family is a non negotiable.

1514
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 1: I rarely travel anymore. I used to travel twenty days

1515
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 1: a month. I travel two to three days a month now.

1516
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 1: Just very deliberate and conscious decisions about how I want

1517
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 1: to spend my time and the importance of, you know,

1518
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 1: taking care of my body in an effort to take

1519
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 1: care of everything else.

1520
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 3: Absolutely no, and I definitely I agree. I don't think

1521
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:31,640
Speaker 3: we want to use ourselves as examples or you know,

1522
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 3: as the way to do it, because everyone's so personal.

1523
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 3: I think it's just useful understanding that that structure is

1524
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 3: needed for that spontaneity.

1525
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,680
Speaker 1: What might be more helpful for people to understand how

1526
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 1: I communicate this with my wife. So my wife is

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01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 1: that person who will put everybody ahead of herself. So

1528
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 1: what I have to help my wife do is realize, hey,

1529
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 1: like you need to go for a run too, because

1530
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 1: that matters a lot to you, and you need to

1531
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 1: go out with your friends and have drinks once every

1532
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 1: two weeks because that matters, or you need to go

1533
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 1: and get a many petty with your daughter and actually relax.

1534
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 1: I'll pitch in and do this other thing because I

1535
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 1: really feel strongly about you doing that, and that's not

1536
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:13,680
Speaker 1: something I would have done before. Before I would have

1537
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 1: just sort of said, hey, it's awesome, you're doing everything. Great. Yeah,

1538
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 1: So I think as a spouse, you want to sort

1539
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:22,680
Speaker 1: of really understand that as true as that is for me,

1540
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 1: it's just as true for her.

1541
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 3: I think that's the key thing in a and we

1542
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 3: don't have kids, but I can definitely say on a

1543
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 3: relationship level, it's like, just because your partner can do

1544
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:35,759
Speaker 3: something and is doing something doesn't mean that you should

1545
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 3: just accept that as reality for the rest of the time.

1546
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:41,759
Speaker 3: And I see that that's one of the biggest challenges

1547
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 3: in relationships is people feel like their role is assumed

1548
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 3: because of what they've done in the past, but no

1549
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 3: one checked with them as to whether they were okay

1550
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 3: continuing to do it or whether they felt good doing it.

1551
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 3: And we think, well, they should tell us if they

1552
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:58,639
Speaker 3: don't like it, they would tell us like I would

1553
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 3: tell them. But often you find that someone so ingrained

1554
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 3: in playing a role that they've even forgotten that they

1555
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 3: have needs or who they could be or can be,

1556
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 3: or they feel this overbearing burden or urgency and their

1557
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 3: role that they just can't disconnect from it. So yeah,

1558
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 3: I think that's a great point to highlight, Peter. I mean,

1559
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 3: there's so many I really do want to talk to

1560
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 3: you if you still have the time. I really do

1561
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 3: want to talk to you about cancer, and maybe Alsamer's

1562
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 3: as well, because we went on a different direction which

1563
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 3: I wanted to go into and which I loved. But

1564
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:32,639
Speaker 3: I want to talk to you about cancer just because

1565
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 3: I lost I've lost three people in my life to cancer.

1566
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 3: I lost my uncle, who was my mother's brother, when

1567
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 3: I was around gosh, maybe I was around maybe just

1568
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 3: about to be eighteen or something like that. He had

1569
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 3: throat cancer and it was tough to see him go

1570
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 3: through that. It was the first time someone in my

1571
01:19:56,640 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 3: direct circle i'd kind of witnessed the journey of someone

1572
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 3: and like struggling, going through pain and then you know,

1573
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 3: dying at a young age. He was like fifty seven

1574
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 3: years old. And then I saw my one of my

1575
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:14,760
Speaker 3: probably my closest friend who I lived as a monk with,

1576
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:16,639
Speaker 3: and he was still a monk when he passed away,

1577
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 3: and he had colon cancer and he was like my age,

1578
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 3: like he died two years ago now, so like that,

1579
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 3: he was a bit a couple of years older, so

1580
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 3: like thirty five around around thereabouts. I believe some of

1581
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:32,600
Speaker 3: that was genetic, which we found out afterwards or like

1582
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 3: during the process, and he went through tons of cycles

1583
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:38,679
Speaker 3: of chemo and like he tried everything. Like that guy

1584
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 3: had spirit and resilience and everything, and it you know,

1585
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 3: it was tough. And then I lost my spiritual mentor

1586
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 3: to brain cancer in the same time frame, during the

1587
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 3: year of COVID. So I also missed both of these

1588
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 3: people's funerals because I couldn't go back to London because

1589
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,600
Speaker 3: you couldn't fly at the time. So anyway, all of

1590
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:00,679
Speaker 3: that to say, I've just lost so many people of cancer,

1591
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 3: and I think that's just not uncommon, which is even

1592
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 3: worse in one sense, like I think everyone who's listening

1593
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 3: is like, yeah, Jamie too, And so I think it's

1594
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 3: so important to talk about because I don't know, is

1595
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 3: it one in three, one in two? I don't know

1596
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:19,719
Speaker 3: what the stats are, but because it's so common, because

1597
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 3: it's so normal now and just someone having cancer. But

1598
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 3: at the same time it's the most painful news in

1599
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 3: the world because you kind of feel like you know

1600
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 3: where it's going to go. What have we seen as

1601
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:37,559
Speaker 3: proven ways of preventing and confronting cancer, both holistic and

1602
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 3: you know, traditional medicine.

1603
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:40,680
Speaker 1: You know, the way I sort of think about it

1604
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 1: is there are three things to be thinking about, three

1605
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 1: three categories. So the first, as you said, is what

1606
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 1: steps can you take to prevent cancer? The second question

1607
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 1: is if you get cancer, how can you catch it

1608
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 1: as early as possible. One thing we really do know

1609
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 1: is that if you treat a cancer earlier, your chances

1610
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 1: of beating it go up. And the longer you wait

1611
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 1: to treat it, meaning the later you catch it, the

1612
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 1: worse your odds. And then the third question is if

1613
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 1: you do find cancer, what are the ideal treatment strategies.

1614
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 1: Let's start with the first question, and this is the

1615
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:17,679
Speaker 1: least satisfying because we don't know a whole lot about

1616
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 1: what's causing cancer. So we know two things for sure.

1617
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 1: We know that smoking is a big driver of cancer,

1618
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 1: and we know that obesity is a big driver of cancer. Now,

1619
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 1: obesity is a bit of a misleading term because it's

1620
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 1: just kind of an overly simplistic way to think about

1621
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 1: what's actually happening. The data say obesity, but really what

1622
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 1: it means is insulin resistance and inflammation. Those are two

1623
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:49,679
Speaker 1: hallmarks of obesity that are present in seventy eighty percent

1624
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 1: of cases of obesity, and if you look at the

1625
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 1: data more closely, that's what's actually driving cancer. So it's

1626
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 1: not actually how much fat you have on your body,

1627
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 1: it's more how much fat is in certain parts of

1628
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:06,520
Speaker 1: your body that are metabolically problematic. But after those two things,

1629
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 1: smoking and instead of obesity, I just prefer to say

1630
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 1: poor metabolic health. We have some one off examples. We

1631
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 1: know that there are certain types of exposures pesticide, you know,

1632
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 1: certain types of pesticides for example, certain type of toxins,

1633
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 1: but those don't account for the significant majority of them.

1634
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 1: So for many people, cancer is still a mystery. In

1635
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 1: other words, whatever it caused, whatever caused the initiation of

1636
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 1: the genetic mutations that ultimately led to a cancer that

1637
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 1: the body was not able to on its own remedy,

1638
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:38,680
Speaker 1: is still a bit of a black box, and some

1639
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 1: very prominent cancer biologists actually just argue that it's bad luck.

1640
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 1: In other words, it's a stochastic process. So our genes

1641
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 1: are constantly replicating, but when mistakes are made, mutations occur,

1642
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:53,639
Speaker 1: and some of these mutations derive cancer. And there's broadly

1643
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 1: speaking two types of mutations. There are mutations in tumor

1644
01:23:56,640 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 1: suppressor genes, so these are mutations in genes that are

1645
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 1: there to stop cancers when cancers appear. And then there

1646
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 1: are mutations in what are called oncogenes. These are genes

1647
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 1: that propagate cancer. So mutations in any of these things

1648
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 1: can actually lead to cancer. So once you sort of

1649
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 1: accept that you're going to do everything in your power

1650
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: to not get cancer, which is to say, you're not

1651
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 1: going to smoke, you're going to be as metabolically healthy

1652
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:23,599
Speaker 1: as possible, You're going to exercise, sleep, do all those

1653
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 1: things right, the next most important thing is thinking about

1654
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: your strategy for cancer screening. You know, this is where

1655
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 1: I probably differ significantly from the mainstream, you know, establishment view,

1656
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:37,559
Speaker 1: which is actually kind of, you know, not that aggressive

1657
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 1: on cancer screening. I would argue that we have to

1658
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 1: be very aggressive on cancer screening, provided we can get

1659
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:45,639
Speaker 1: our minds around the problem we discussed a little while ago,

1660
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 1: which is we understand that there's going to be the

1661
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 1: harder you look for something, the more like you are

1662
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 1: to find something that isn't relevant. But if you understand

1663
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:56,679
Speaker 1: that going in, and you're willing to accept that risk

1664
01:24:57,320 --> 01:25:01,799
Speaker 1: and evaluate each finding in a thought way, I think

1665
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 1: that for most people psychologically and physically, the benefit is

1666
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 1: a net positive one. And so that means looking at

1667
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 1: things that are for example, with a colonoscopy, doing it

1668
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 1: earlier and more frequently than is the standard recommendation. The

1669
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 1: stander recommendation is not to begin till you're forty five.

1670
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 1: We would recommend that everybody, even without a family history,

1671
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 1: begin at least five years before that. It also means

1672
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 1: repeating colonoscopies more frequently, especially in the finding of certain

1673
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 1: types of polyps. Whole body screening you talked about with

1674
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 1: certain types of MRIs. We also use something called the

1675
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 1: liquid biopsies. It's a blood test that looks for really

1676
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 1: really small fragments of DNA and the blood and can

1677
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 1: identify the presence of cancer and the tissue of origin. Now, again,

1678
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:44,599
Speaker 1: none of these tests are perfect. So each of these

1679
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 1: tests have things that they're going to miss. But the

1680
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 1: idea is that the more you're layering these tests, the

1681
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 1: better your odds are refinding something earlier. And then the

1682
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 1: final point is, okay, well, what are the strategies you

1683
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 1: know if should you have cancer? And this is where

1684
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:58,639
Speaker 1: I think we just have a little bit more promise

1685
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 1: now than we did decade ago. So a decade ago,

1686
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 1: because this is the first time I did this analysis.

1687
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 1: In the previous fifty years, so from you know, sixty

1688
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 1: years ago until ten years ago, the overall survival improvement

1689
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 1: in cancer was about three percent. Wow, it was abysmal.

1690
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 1: But in the past ten years it's been about another

1691
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 1: eight percent. And while that doesn't sound remarkable, and the

1692
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 1: implication of that is half the people who are diagnosed

1693
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 1: with cancer today will still die from cancer. It's the

1694
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:32,680
Speaker 1: biologic insights and the trajectory that we're on right now

1695
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:36,560
Speaker 1: that gives me much more hope. And that is primarily

1696
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:38,640
Speaker 1: based on a couple of things. The first is the

1697
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 1: field of immunology has really taken off. The tools that

1698
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 1: we have to harness the immune system to attack cancer

1699
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 1: have become so dramatic.

1700
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:52,719
Speaker 2: Immunotherapy R that's right, Yeah.

1701
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 1: That it really is. I think within the next decade,

1702
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 1: which I know seems like an infinite amount of time

1703
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 1: for someone who's got cancer. Right now, we're really seeing

1704
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 1: changes that I think are going to allow immunotherapies to

1705
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 1: go from the niche place that they occupy in only

1706
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:15,799
Speaker 1: working for certain types of cancers like melanoma and kidney cancer,

1707
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 1: to being able to go after the holy Grail of cancers,

1708
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 1: which are what we call the solid organ, epithelial tumors, breast, pancreatic, colon, lung.

1709
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 1: These are the big cancers that do the majority of

1710
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 1: the killing. Fifty percent of cancer deaths are just five

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Speaker 1: cancers lung, colon, breast, prostate, pancreatic. That's more than fifty

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Speaker 1: percent of all cancer deaths. Until you have a solution

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Speaker 1: for those, we don't have a solution for cancer, and

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Speaker 1: I do believe that we are really moving in that direction.

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Speaker 3: We've touched on this point a few times of almost

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Speaker 3: the stress about stress for health, and that's a really

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Speaker 3: interesting way of thinking about it. It's like the stress

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Speaker 3: of Oh, I need to work out today, I need

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Speaker 3: to have my supplements to the stress of I can't sleep.

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Speaker 3: Why am I not sleeping?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: Like, we stress about the things that are good for us.

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Speaker 3: How have you helped your patients, How have you coached

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Speaker 3: them through that? How do you guide people through that?

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Speaker 3: Because I think a lot of people go, well, then

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Speaker 3: I'm just not going to do anything, because at least

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Speaker 3: then I'm not stressed. I don't think that's the wisdom

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Speaker 3: and what you're saying. I don't think you're saying, well, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's better not to have any stress at all. How

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Speaker 3: do you help people to engage and you know, use

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01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 3: that stress in a healthy way, or how do you

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Speaker 3: guide patients through that stress?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think every patient's different, and I think

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Speaker 1: you have to sort of get to know the person

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Speaker 1: a little bit and figure out what's the underlying issue.

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Speaker 1: So I do think that there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: people who frankly self sabotage, going back to kind of

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Speaker 1: like where I was. I mean, my self destructive behaviors

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Speaker 1: weren't coming directly at the expense of my physical health.

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Speaker 1: They were coming at the expense of my emotional health.

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Speaker 1: But I actually think there were a lot of people

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Speaker 1: who have very similar stories to mine, but their manifestation

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Speaker 1: is it's coming at the expense of their physical health.

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Speaker 1: They are sabotaging their ability. They are coming up with

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01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 1: a million excuses why they can't eat well, they can't exercise,

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01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 1: they can't do this, they can't do that. And so

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Speaker 1: you have to be able to get to the root

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Speaker 1: of the problem. And so there are many patients where

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Speaker 1: we just think, look, you're not going to get better

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Speaker 1: without trauma based therapy until you come up with a

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Speaker 1: way to care enough about yourself to stop punishing yourself

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Speaker 1: in this way. Because I think people punish themselves in

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01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 1: different ways. You could almost argue I used to punish

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Speaker 1: myself by overdoing all of those healthy things, like some

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01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 1: of the exercise I was doing was actually a form

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Speaker 1: of punishment. So on the surface, you'd say, boy, that

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Speaker 1: guy's really healthy, but no, he wasn't. Another thing I

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Speaker 1: always think about is when we're in the spirit of

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Speaker 1: trying to build new habits, sometimes perfect is the enemy

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01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:55,600
Speaker 1: of good. Typically, what I want is a win, and

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Speaker 1: I think that what people just need is a win,

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't have to be the biggest win, and

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Speaker 1: it just has to be a win. So if you're

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Speaker 1: looking at a person for whom nothing is optimal. Don't

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Speaker 1: try to fix all things at once. Pick the one

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Speaker 1: thing that you think they have the greatest odds of

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Speaker 1: being able to make a difference on, and just work

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Speaker 1: on that and accept the fact that the other things

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Speaker 1: will continue to be suboptimal. But you develop their confidence

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Speaker 1: in that one thing. How about for twenty minutes a

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Speaker 1: day you do something active. You go and walk for

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Speaker 1: twenty minutes a day. If you're talking about a person

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Speaker 1: who's never lifted a finger, that would be a huge win.

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Speaker 1: And you might do that before you get into the

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Speaker 1: details of this type of training or that type of training,

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Speaker 1: or we're going to tweak your nutrition and optimize your

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01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 1: protein intake. I mean, that's just overwhelming, and you're probably

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01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:42,760
Speaker 1: just more likely to fail at everything and create kind

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01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:45,640
Speaker 1: of a compensatory negative reaction. But again, I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's a paint by numbers approach. I think you in

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Speaker 1: the way we do it with patients, I think you

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01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:52,599
Speaker 1: just have to treat everybody individually and by the way.

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Speaker 1: When something's not working, you have to accept it in

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01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:55,599
Speaker 1: pivot and try something that is.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the keyword. Pivot. Yeah, that's a keyword

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Speaker 2: everyone to.

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Speaker 3: The book is called Outlive The Science and Art of Longevity.

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01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 3: If you don't already have it, please go and grab

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01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:09,879
Speaker 3: a copy. I highly recommend it. Of course, today's conversation

1790
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:12,679
Speaker 3: has been fantastic. I've tried to touch on topics that

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01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:14,559
Speaker 3: Peter may not have been asked about in a million

1792
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 3: different interviews. He's got fantastic interviews out there on so

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01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:19,920
Speaker 3: many awesome podcasts as well, so if you're more interested

1794
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 3: in the parts we didn't cover, please do go and

1795
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 3: watch those and get informed. Peter, It's been such a

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01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:27,599
Speaker 3: joy sitting down with you today. Honestly, there's been moments

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01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 3: where I've been mind blown and moments where I've been

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01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 3: taken aback and felt really in my body and really

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01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:37,719
Speaker 3: present where my feet are. And I'm just really grateful

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Speaker 3: that we got to have this conversation. We've got to

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01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:42,640
Speaker 3: share so much incredible insights with our community today, and

1802
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 3: I want you to make sure that you tag me

1803
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:49,680
Speaker 3: and Peter on Instagram, on TikTok, on threads with what

1804
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:51,920
Speaker 3: you're learning, what you've taken away, what are the things

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01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:54,800
Speaker 3: you're going to apply and practice with, what's something you're

1806
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:56,920
Speaker 3: going to experiment with this week. That would make me

1807
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 3: really happy is that you just take one thing away

1808
01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:01,280
Speaker 3: from this. I'm going to try that out. I'm going

1809
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:03,400
Speaker 3: to figure this out for myself. That would be an

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Speaker 3: awesome place to start, Peter. We end every episode with

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Speaker 3: a final five a fast five, so these questions have

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Speaker 3: to be answered in one word to one sentence Max,

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Speaker 3: So Peter, these are your final five or your fast five.

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Speaker 3: The first question is what is the best health advice

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01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:20,719
Speaker 3: you've ever heard or received?

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01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:21,960
Speaker 1: Exercise every day?

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01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 3: Second question, what is the worst health advice you've ever

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Speaker 3: heard or received?

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01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 1: Do a cleanse?

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Speaker 2: Ah? Interesting, Why that's it? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Oh, I just think that, you know, I've seen

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Speaker 1: I've seen some of those things go really bad where people,

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01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 1: you know, get really mucked up and dehydrated. And I've

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01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 1: seen people actually take in some chemicals and compounds that

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01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:45,120
Speaker 1: dramatically alter liver function tests and things like that.

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Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, all right. Question number three, what's something you're

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Speaker 3: currently trying to.

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01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:55,640
Speaker 1: Unlearn continuing to work on perfectionism, unlearning or detuning it.

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Speaker 3: Question number four, what's something that you're a very big

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Speaker 3: proponent of but a lot of people may disagree with you?

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Speaker 2: And they're like, I'm not sure about it.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the importance of very heavy strength training in postmenopausal women.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, let's dive into that, because that's that's fascinating. Really,

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Speaker 3: how specific you one?

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Speaker 2: That's great.

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Speaker 1: Women postmenopause are so unbelievably susceptible to osteoporosis and osteopenia

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Speaker 1: with the loss of estrogen. Unfortunately, many women in that

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Speaker 1: situation are not getting hormone replacement therapy and so they're

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01:33:30,280 --> 01:33:34,320
Speaker 1: doubly susceptible to it. I think there's just a cultural

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Speaker 1: belief that, you know, women don't need to lift weights,

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Speaker 1: and if they do, it's very light. But the truth

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Speaker 1: of it is, you really need to lift heavy things

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01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:45,439
Speaker 1: to make your bones stronger. And that doesn't mean it

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01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:48,519
Speaker 1: has to be complicated stuff like squats or deadlifts or

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01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 1: things like that. But you know, one of the most

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01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:53,280
Speaker 1: important things is carrying, doing a farmer's carry, so holding

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01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:56,559
Speaker 1: very heavy dumbells in your hands and walking so important,

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter how old you are.

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Speaker 2: Got it great.

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Speaker 3: Fifth and final question. If you could create one law

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Speaker 3: that everyone in the world had to follow, what would

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Speaker 3: it be?

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01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:09,840
Speaker 1: You must go into nature for at least an hour

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01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:15,240
Speaker 1: a day with no electronics and just be just be outside,

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Speaker 1: be in nature, but be untethered to electronics or obvious distractions.

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Speaker 3: Beautiful, Peter, that's fantastic. Thank you so much again for

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Speaker 3: your time, your energy, your presence today. I hope this

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Speaker 3: is the first of many times that you'll come back

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01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:34,559
Speaker 3: on purpose. And again, if you don't already follow Peter. Peter,

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01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:36,040
Speaker 3: where's the best place you'd like to be able to

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01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:38,840
Speaker 3: find you? I know you're on Instagram and YouTube and everywhere, but.

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01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think everything is Peter and Ta MD is

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01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:44,040
Speaker 1: all the handles everywhere, and so thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate this.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: If you love this episode, you'll enjoy my interview with

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Speaker 3: doctor Daniel Ahman on how to change your life by

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Speaker 3: changing your brain.

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Speaker 4: If we want a healthy mind, it actually starts with

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Speaker 4: a healthy brain.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: I've had the blessing or the curse to scan over

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Speaker 4: a thousand convicted felons and over a hundred murderers, and

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Speaker 4: their brains are very damaged.