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Speaker 1: series between the Diamondbacks and the Milwaukee Brewers. I am
Speaker 1: Jesse Friedman alongside Jack Summers and Jack The narrative continues
Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks holding their own against the lesser teams in
Speaker 1: the league. Of course, they took two out of three
Speaker 1: from the San Francisco Giants, and then they come right
Speaker 1: back and they lose a series to the Milwaukee Brewers.
Speaker 1: They are now fourteen and thirty three this season against
Speaker 1: teams that are five hundred or better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no moral victories. I mean, you know, you
Speaker 2: can say they hung with them. The games were close.
Speaker 2: They very well could have won the series. Some might
Speaker 2: even say they could have swept the series. But the
Speaker 2: fact is that they lost two out of three and
Speaker 2: it just looked and felt like the Brewers were much
Speaker 2: better equipped to handle close games, and that clearly was
Speaker 2: the case.
Speaker 1: The finale was a close one, as all of these
Speaker 1: games were. At Wardo Rodriguez was excellent. Newly minted All
Speaker 1: Star at Vardo Rodriguez was very good once again. He
Speaker 1: was through six scoreless innings and then Tory Lavello believe
Speaker 1: he was at ninety three pitches. Tory decides to send
Speaker 1: him back out there for the seventh and unfortunately that
Speaker 1: did not work out. Andrew Vaughan let off that inning
Speaker 1: with a single, and then e rod just dropped a
Speaker 1: curveball middle middle and Jake Bowers hit a pretty impressive
Speaker 1: left on left to run. Homer turned what was a
Speaker 1: one to nothing Diamondbacks lead into a two to one deficit.
Speaker 1: But ultimately, Jack, I mean, this loss falls on the offense.
Speaker 1: You cannot blame this on Eduardo Rodriguez. It was still
Speaker 1: six plus innings of two run ball from him. The
Speaker 1: Diamondbacks just weren't able to do enough and offensively, and man,
Speaker 1: they had a whole lot of chances throughout this game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean early in the game they weren't having
Speaker 2: great at bats. They were I think one for eight
Speaker 2: in runners and scoring position through the first three innings.
Speaker 2: They ended up, you know, two for thirteen in this game,
Speaker 2: I believe. As the game wore on, of course, there
Speaker 2: were a ton of hard hit balls. The six hardest
Speaker 2: balls that the Diamondbacks hit in the game all went
Speaker 2: for outs. That included one hundred and seventeen mile an
Speaker 2: hour line drive by ktel Marte and of course one
Speaker 2: hundred and seven mile an hour line out double play
Speaker 2: off the bat of Peven Smith, who did a two
Speaker 2: handed chuck of the bat. He was as disgusted as
Speaker 2: many of you have been with the results that he's
Speaker 2: been giving, but in that case he had a little
Speaker 2: bit of bad luck. He did have a base hit
Speaker 2: earlier in the game, but very disappointing game overall. When
Speaker 2: it comes to the results of some of the hard
Speaker 2: hit balls. There were a couple of deep fly balls
Speaker 2: to the outfield that went almost three hundred ninety feet
Speaker 2: just you know, warning track fly balls. A couple of
Speaker 2: hard hit ground balls as well, so you know, when
Speaker 2: you hit the ball six times over one hundred miles
Speaker 2: an hour, you kind of expect at least a couple
Speaker 2: of those to fall for hits. So for none of
Speaker 2: them too. That was a little bit of bad luck.
Speaker 3: Definitely some bad luck, to be sure.
Speaker 1: Diamondbacks expected batting average in the game was two ninety two.
Speaker 1: That ended with seven hits, could easily have had eight
Speaker 1: or nine or ten if some of those hard hit
Speaker 1: balls land land in as you would expect them to.
Speaker 1: At the same time, Jacket still felt like the d
Speaker 1: Backs could have done more with runners in scoring position
Speaker 1: in this game.
Speaker 3: It felt like they.
Speaker 1: Were making the hard contact oftentimes nobody on base, and
Speaker 1: then when there were guys on base, that's when the
Speaker 1: bat quality was a little bit less. In the bottom
Speaker 1: of the first inning, the d Backs scored a run,
Speaker 1: but then they were unable to get anything else across
Speaker 1: with a runner at second one out. There were several
Speaker 1: other situations like that throughout the game. The bottom of
Speaker 1: the third also stands out there. Heraldo Perdomo led off
Speaker 1: that ending with a single and stole second, and then
Speaker 1: you've got the middle of the lineup do up. After that,
Speaker 1: Corbyn Carroll struck out, Gabby Mourno struck out, Lords Guriel
Speaker 1: then drew a walk, and then Ildemar of Vargas just
Speaker 1: an immediate first pitch ground out. To get the Brewers
Speaker 1: out of that jam. So even though there was some
Speaker 1: bad luck in this game, Jack, there also was a
Speaker 1: continuation of a recent trend, which was the Diamondbacks just
Speaker 1: not putting good at bats together when they really needed to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and the seventh inning, you know, they
Speaker 2: did get a run across, but Gabriel Marino came up
Speaker 2: and very nearly hit into another double play. We'll get
Speaker 2: to the first one in a little bit, but he
Speaker 2: almost hit into another double play in this series, you know.
Speaker 2: And then that at bat, I mean, he took two
Speaker 2: pitches in the heart of the zone for cold strikes,
Speaker 2: and then he got another sinker, and now he's you know,
Speaker 2: with two strikes on him. He's got a swing and
Speaker 2: it was a strike. It would have been a strike
Speaker 2: cold strike three, but it was a pitch you know,
Speaker 2: a little down in the zone. Uh. And of course
Speaker 2: he ended up, you know, hitting it too shortstop. So
Speaker 2: I don't know why they're not pulling the trigger early
Speaker 2: in counts when the balls dead center. That's the biggest
Speaker 2: problem really is, you know, there's just too many center
Speaker 2: cut pitches that they're not swinging at, and that puts
Speaker 2: them down in the count because they're easy cold strikes,
Speaker 2: and then they're forced to protect and now they're swinging
Speaker 2: at pitches and the shadows one and contact isn't as good.
Speaker 2: You know, I've said this before and I'll say it again.
Speaker 2: I mean, they got to go back to old school
Speaker 2: philosophy here, Like Mark Grace used to always say, with
Speaker 2: zero strikes on you, your strike zone should be the
Speaker 2: size of a shoe box. Okay, after you get a
Speaker 2: strike on you, then you can start to expand that.
Speaker 2: But if you're if you have zero strikes against you,
Speaker 2: oh oh one, O, two oh three, to oho your
Speaker 2: shoe Your shoebox size strike zone is the way to go.
Speaker 2: And if it's in that heart of the zone, go
Speaker 2: ahead and take your cut. For some reason, they remain
Speaker 2: the lowest swinging team on pitches in the heart of
Speaker 2: the zone. I do not know why.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that is a very fair point. And
Speaker 1: throughout this series, another narrative for the offense was struggling
Speaker 1: against the bullpen. In particular, the Diamondbacks did get into
Speaker 1: the Brewers bullpen very early in all three games of
Speaker 1: these series. Granted, the second game was really just because
Speaker 1: of an unfortunate injury on Brandon Woodruff's part, exact same
Speaker 1: story is what happened the last time he faced the Diamondbacks. Sad,
Speaker 1: sad to see him go on the il again. But
Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks, you know, they made Brandon sprote throw ninety
Speaker 1: two pitches in those front four innings.
Speaker 3: In this game.
Speaker 1: They had back quality was pretty good against Brandon's broke. Granted,
Speaker 1: he also was spraying the ball around, and I think
Speaker 1: some of those pitches were pretty easy takes. But you know,
Speaker 1: the moment the Brewers bullpen enters the game, it just
Speaker 1: feels like the Diamondbacks are are losing that approach. And
Speaker 1: you know, you see Grant Anderson come out and get
Speaker 1: five outs on sixteen pitches. And that was sort of
Speaker 1: a trend throughout this series, Jack, where the Brewers bullpen
Speaker 1: covered seventeen and two thirds innings in this series altogether,
Speaker 1: almost six innings per game on average, And the Diamondbacks
Speaker 1: only saw two hundred and twenty one pitches in those
Speaker 1: seventeen and two thirds innings. And I know that is
Speaker 1: maybe hard to make sense of in your mind, but
Speaker 1: if you do the math, that's an average of twelve
Speaker 1: point five pitches per inning, and it was actually quite
Speaker 1: a bit higher on Sunday than it was in the
Speaker 1: first two games. That number went up in the finale
Speaker 1: of this series. So it's not just a matter of,
Speaker 1: you know, the Diamondbacks needing to have better at bats overall,
Speaker 1: which is certainly true. But yeah, I mean, you you
Speaker 1: just have to like when you know that the opposing
Speaker 1: team is getting into their bullpen early and might run
Speaker 1: out of arms, that just means all the more that
Speaker 1: you want to be patient and really work counts.
Speaker 2: I think maybe part of it is they're thinking, Okay,
Speaker 2: we got the starter out of the game, I'm not
Speaker 2: too worried about the relievers workload. You know, now's the
Speaker 2: time to be more aggressive, right because you're not generally
Speaker 2: worried about that particular issue of how long you're going
Speaker 2: to extend it. But in this case, you know, they
Speaker 2: should have been a little bit more cognitive. I mean, Patrick,
Speaker 2: would do you go three in the thirds or three
Speaker 2: and two thirds? Only use thirty something pitches?
Speaker 3: Something like that?
Speaker 2: You know, in his out in the first game and
Speaker 2: then yoho, who I always want to call you who?
Speaker 2: I think he got you know, eight outs on twenty
Speaker 2: seven pitches. Something like that. So, yeah, that's that's pretty
Speaker 2: much what you're talking about there, I mean, essentially, you
Speaker 2: know the Brewers' bullpen thromatos there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was the Friday game the Brewers bullpen.
Speaker 1: That game, of course, went to extra innings, and the
Speaker 1: Brewers bullpen needed just ninety pitches to get through eight
Speaker 1: and the third innings in that game, of course, they
Speaker 1: did not allow and earned run the entire way. And
Speaker 1: that is a good segue into the first couple games
Speaker 1: of this series.
Speaker 3: We're not going to.
Speaker 1: Dwell on them too much. We've got some other stuff
Speaker 1: to get into in the show. But we will talk
Speaker 1: about games one and two of this series against the Brewers.
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Speaker 2: Jack.
Speaker 1: I guess we'll start with, well, we'll turn back the clock.
Speaker 1: We'll go back to the Friday game, which does feel
Speaker 1: like a distant memory. And you know, to the audience
Speaker 1: member who maybe doesn't want to relive this game, I
Speaker 1: hear you. I understand. We won't spend two too much
Speaker 1: time here. But there were some interesting moments along the way.
Speaker 1: This was quite a baseball game on Friday night on
Speaker 1: Apple TV plus. Diamondbacks fall behind three nothing early. Jose
Speaker 1: Cabrera was just spraying the ball all over the place
Speaker 1: in that game.
Speaker 3: Did not look good.
Speaker 1: Diamondbacks come back to I guess before they scored any runs.
Speaker 1: Lordis Gurriel Junior prevented that game from getting completely out
Speaker 1: of hand and robbed a three run home run, one
Speaker 1: of the best catches we've seen by a Diamondbacks player
Speaker 1: this season. If he doesn't catch that, it's six nothing
Speaker 1: Brewers and maybe the game isn't very interesting the.
Speaker 3: Rest of the way.
Speaker 1: But Guriel makes that catch, the d Backs are able
Speaker 1: to get on the board and put three runs up,
Speaker 1: and then the thing happens we were talking about earlier,
Speaker 1: where Kyle Harrison is no longer in the game, the Brewers'
Speaker 1: bullpen is out there doing their thing, and there just
Speaker 1: seeing like no pitches whatsoever, and the game is flying by,
Speaker 1: and eventually we go to extra innings in a three
Speaker 1: to three tie, and the big decision that everyone's been
Speaker 1: talking about in the aftermath came in the bottom of
Speaker 1: the tenth. Heraldo Perdomo is the ghost runner on second base. This,
Speaker 1: of course is after Taylor Clark has already put up
Speaker 1: a zero in the top of the tenth, given the
Speaker 1: Dbacks a good chance to win this game. So Perdomo's
Speaker 1: at second, Corbyn Carrol is intentionally walked, and then Gabrielle
Speaker 1: Moreno is at the plate. So you've got first and
Speaker 1: second and nobody out. And Jack, I know you feel
Speaker 1: pretty passionately about what the Diamondbacks should have done. Next.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if it's what they should have done,
Speaker 2: but it's what they should have been able to do.
Speaker 2: If that's the Brewers, we know exactly what they're going
Speaker 2: to do. They're going to bunt. There's no question that
Speaker 2: they're going to bun. Christian Yelich bunted today. Gabriel Marino
Speaker 2: does not have a regular season but in his major
Speaker 2: league career. I didn't realize it at the time when
Speaker 2: I posted on Twitter. He did have one in the
Speaker 2: World Series of All Places in twenty twenty three, but
Speaker 2: he's never had a sacrifice bunt in his major league
Speaker 2: regular season career. So my first question is, like, why not,
Speaker 2: Like why does he not possess that skill? The way
Speaker 2: Gabby hits the ball, he hits a lot of ground balls,
Speaker 2: you know, and he has hit into a lot of
Speaker 2: double plays in his career. He's got a high DP percentage,
Speaker 2: which is the percentage of opportunities to hit into a
Speaker 2: double play. A little it was a little lower than
Speaker 2: MLB average this year, but for his career it's well
Speaker 2: above average. And he's a DP risk clearly, and he's
Speaker 2: been hitting into a number of them lately, even amongst
Speaker 2: his hot streak. So I didn't feel comfortable with it.
Speaker 2: I thought they should have bunted. All you need is
Speaker 2: one run you get you know, you get second and
Speaker 2: third with one out, first base open. Now you've got
Speaker 2: lordis up. Everyone says, well, you know, Lord has popped
Speaker 2: out anyway, after Gabby hit into the double play. But
Speaker 2: it's a diffinite bat if it's second and third. First
Speaker 2: of all, now the pitcher's got to run on third
Speaker 2: base and he can't afford to spike one, and so
Speaker 2: the you know, oh well you just got to hit
Speaker 2: Lords down. And the way he's going to swing, well,
Speaker 2: I don't know if all you need to do is
Speaker 2: get the ball in the air. I think, you know,
Speaker 2: Lord has probably take a picture too there. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, he's going to have a little bit different
Speaker 2: approach and he's probably not going to be so prone
Speaker 2: to swing out of the zone in that situation, knowing
Speaker 2: that all he needs to do is wait for a
Speaker 2: ball up and hit it in the air, you know,
Speaker 2: And if he doesn't get one, he takes his base,
Speaker 2: goes to first base and bases loaded with one out,
Speaker 2: and you move it on to the next h So
Speaker 2: the flip side of that is Gaby hasn't bunted. He's
Speaker 2: probably not a good bunter. Maybe he hits into a
Speaker 2: double play when he bunts. He had been hot of late,
Speaker 2: and he had good numbers with running scoring position overall,
Speaker 2: So you know, there's two sides of this. Coin. I
Speaker 2: know you can go either way, but I go back
Speaker 2: to what I said earlier in the show about the
Speaker 2: Diamondbacks not being well equipped to win this kind of
Speaker 2: game in this kind of series while the Brewers are,
Speaker 2: And that's what really kind of stuck in my crawl.
Speaker 2: Just felt like they're not equipped to win this game.
Speaker 1: So you feel that Gabby Moreno and any Diamondbacks hitter
Speaker 1: effectively should be capable of putting a bunt down there,
Speaker 1: like that should be a button that Tory Lavello is
Speaker 1: able to press.
Speaker 2: Christian Yelich can bunt. Why can't Gabby Moreno.
Speaker 1: I mean, Yelich is not the hittery Like, he's basically
Speaker 1: been around the league average hitter this year and it
Speaker 1: was a left on left matchup today. But I you know,
Speaker 1: I see where you're coming from. Certainly, this is something
Speaker 1: the Brewers are known for. And if Gabby Moreno played
Speaker 1: for the Brewers, it wouldn't shock me. If you know
Speaker 1: he's he's getting more reps bunting and getting used to
Speaker 1: that thing.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, if Gaby Mourno played for Pat Murphy yeah,
Speaker 2: and didn't put a bunt down there could be yanked
Speaker 2: out of the lineup.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that that very well may be true.
Speaker 1: I think the and granted, like Gabby Moreno did ground
Speaker 1: into a double play, and so I understand I'm sort
Speaker 1: of on the inherently losing side of the argument because
Speaker 1: hindsight is twenty twenty and obviously Gabby Moreno should have bunted.
Speaker 1: From that standpoint, it didn't work out the way that
Speaker 1: they went. But I had a hard time criticizing Tory
Speaker 1: Leavello for that decision. I think that, you know, yes,
Speaker 1: the Brewers maybe would be more equipped to win that game,
Speaker 1: But I also think the guy hitting fifth for the
Speaker 1: Brewers is a much better hitter than lordus Curyle Junior is.
Speaker 3: Right now, I just don't.
Speaker 1: I just don't think that anything Lordis has shown this season,
Speaker 1: you know, means that he's a guy who is someone
Speaker 1: you can count on with a with a runner at
Speaker 1: third and less than two outs to get the job done.
Speaker 1: Lordis is not hitting. His hard hit rate is low,
Speaker 1: his pop up rate is much higher than it's been
Speaker 1: in the past.
Speaker 2: Time a medium fly ball wins the game, he's just
Speaker 2: got to get the ball in the.
Speaker 3: Air, That's true.
Speaker 1: It's just the back quality from Lordis Curyle Junior of
Speaker 1: late is such that even hitting a medium quality fly
Speaker 1: ball doesn't feel like a given to me. So I hear,
Speaker 1: I hear your perspective. I think you know, I think
Speaker 1: it's valid.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't feel super passionately either way, but at least
Speaker 1: for me, it was hard to criticize the decision, and
Speaker 1: unfortunately it didn't wind up working for the Dbacks.
Speaker 2: I'm not criticizing Toy so much because of the fact
Speaker 2: that Gabby's never bunted for sack sack, doesn't have a
Speaker 2: sack butt in his career, so he's got to be
Speaker 2: thinking about that, like he's never bunted. Look, there's a
Speaker 2: there's a bunt club, you know that we jokingly call
Speaker 2: it in the press box and every you know, the
Speaker 2: six or eight players that are out there on the
Speaker 2: field with Jeff Banister before every game, and it's the
Speaker 2: same eight guys, and it's like nobody else is allowed
Speaker 2: to bunt. Yeah, And I just don't think that's right.
Speaker 2: I think that that should be whoe of a rotation.
Speaker 2: I think they all should be taking that practice, and
Speaker 2: I think they all should have the ability to get
Speaker 2: a bunt down when it's needed, and so Tory not
Speaker 2: calling on Gabby to bunt there I understand simply on
Speaker 2: the basis of Gabby never bunts he probably wouldn't execute.
Speaker 2: So I go back to what I said at the beginning,
Speaker 2: It's like, why aren't they built this way? This isn't
Speaker 2: a team that's going to slug their way into the
Speaker 2: playoffs and back to the World Series. They've got to
Speaker 2: play like the Brewers, they got to play like the
Speaker 2: Rays or not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see where you're coming from. For sure.
Speaker 1: I just think that Gabrielle Moreno has a you know
Speaker 1: for something on base percentage the past twenty or thirty games.
Speaker 1: He's been the team's best hitter for a while now,
Speaker 1: and I think he deserves a shot in that moment.
Speaker 1: I just think taking the bat out of his hands
Speaker 1: and giving it to Lords Gurriel Junior, who by all
Speaker 1: accounts this season is graded out as one of the
Speaker 1: worst hitters in baseball. Yes, he doesn't need he doesn't
Speaker 1: need to base it. You know, a fly ball gets
Speaker 1: the job done. But it feels like a lot to
Speaker 1: ask from him, as unfortunate as that is. So let
Speaker 1: us know what you think in the comments. It is
Speaker 1: sort of a moot point now because the Dbacks lost
Speaker 1: the game anyway. Ryan Thompson had some ventures on the mound,
Speaker 1: shall we say, in the next inning. D Backs ultimately
Speaker 1: lose that one, seven to four. But it was quite
Speaker 1: a baseball game to watch. That is something we can
Speaker 1: say for sure. Game two of the series, Jack was
Speaker 1: the of course, the one game the Diamondbacks won. And
Speaker 1: I'll just throw this on the screen to start off
Speaker 1: this conversation. This is from at MLB underscore simulator on
Speaker 1: Twitter and about this Saturday game. They declare that the
Speaker 1: d Backs are luck merchants and according to their calculations,
Speaker 1: they're using batted ball data, a whole lot of data
Speaker 1: from the game, and they determined that the Brewers deserved
Speaker 1: had a ninety four percent deserve to win rate compared
Speaker 1: to the Diamondbacks at two percent. According to their calculations,
Speaker 1: the most likely final score for that game was five
Speaker 1: to one in favor of Milwaukee, and yet the Diamondbacks
Speaker 1: ultimately came away with a four to three win.
Speaker 3: That is kind of how it felt watching this game. Jack.
Speaker 1: Diamondbacks had nineteen consecutive hitters retired in the middle innings
Speaker 1: of course covering most of the game, but Adrian del
Speaker 1: Castillo hit a really big three run home run in
Speaker 1: the first inning and Yieldamara Vargas tacked on a key
Speaker 1: insurance run late with an RBI double. D Bacs just
Speaker 1: barely sneak out of there.
Speaker 2: With a win. Yeah, of course, Paul gave up a
Speaker 2: home run with two outs to you know, get away
Speaker 2: with the took a four to two lead to a
Speaker 2: four to three lead still recorded to save you know,
Speaker 2: they look, they were out hit twelve to four. So
Speaker 2: that's an easier way to say, like they were lucky
Speaker 2: to win, but that deserved to win. O meters. Just
Speaker 2: kind of a fun little thing. And you know, the
Speaker 2: last thing I'll say about this series. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: for the whole series, the Diamondbacks were six for twenty
Speaker 2: nine with runnerchan scoring position, three for twelve, one for four,
Speaker 2: and two for thirteen. Meanwhile, the Brewers on Friday were
Speaker 2: three for eighteen. They were one for ten on Saturday
Speaker 2: and then one for five today, so five for thirty three.
Speaker 2: So you know, do you want to credit the pitchers
Speaker 2: for getting the tough outs and getting it done, or
Speaker 2: do you want to blame the hitters, but neither team
Speaker 2: actually did very well situationally at the plate.
Speaker 3: No, certainly not.
Speaker 1: And I think the Diamondbacks, you know, they do deserve
Speaker 1: some credit for that. Their pitchers were able to bear
Speaker 1: down for the most part when they needed to. Merrill Kelly,
Speaker 1: I guess it's worth mentioning Jack. He did look better
Speaker 1: in that game on Saturday. He generated some swing and miss.
Speaker 1: I think it was thirteen whiffs for him.
Speaker 3: In that game.
Speaker 1: He had six strikeouts with tie to a season high.
Speaker 1: Still gave up eight hits in two walks. There was
Speaker 1: kind of a lot of traffic on the base runners,
Speaker 1: but it was good to see him bear down in
Speaker 1: those key moments and get the outs he needed, as
Speaker 1: opposed to, you know, just kind of fold and give in,
Speaker 1: which is what we've seen most of this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he had a good curve, bull, he
Speaker 2: had a good change up. You know. It's like nice
Speaker 2: to see Meryl getting swinging and miss on the change
Speaker 2: up again too. Yeah, I mean it seems like they've
Speaker 2: been forever. Like what I was his best pitch, you
Speaker 2: know what happened to it? So more please you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, look, probably five innings, two runs allowed, is
Speaker 2: probably going to have to be like what we're going
Speaker 2: to have to accept going forward for a good outing
Speaker 2: from Merrill. I don't think we're going to see a
Speaker 2: very high percentage of quality starts from him going forward.
Speaker 2: I just think that the deeper he gets into games,
Speaker 2: teams are kind of keying in on him, and that's
Speaker 2: probably likely to continue. So we'll see. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe maybe I'm wrong on that, maybe the big turnarounds coming.
Speaker 2: I think he'll be serviceable at least half the time,
Speaker 2: but not necessarily you know, lights out. I think those
Speaker 2: you know, that complete game was kind of one off.
Speaker 2: I think I don't expect to see that again, but
Speaker 2: I could be very wrong. I mean, maybe this was
Speaker 2: the turn the corner moment. He did seem to you know,
Speaker 2: his postgame comments. I mean, he really seemed like he
Speaker 2: did have some kind of an epiphany after the previous
Speaker 2: outing and you know, had a big change in approach
Speaker 2: and adjustment and attacking the zone. So fingers crossed, that
Speaker 2: is really a turnaround, but we're going to have to
Speaker 2: see more of it to believe it.
Speaker 1: The big thing I'm watching with Merrill Kelly is just
Speaker 1: what percentage of his pitches are in the strike zone.
Speaker 1: I just think that's a really important thing for him,
Speaker 1: and it still was on the lower end in that
Speaker 1: game yesterday. Forty five percent of his pitches were in
Speaker 1: the zone. League averages around forty eight, and for Marrow,
Speaker 1: you probably want him to be maybe even a little
Speaker 1: bit north of that if anything. So really it just
Speaker 1: felt like the cutter, he just sprayed the cutter around
Speaker 1: a little bit too much some uncompetitive pitches there.
Speaker 3: I think if he's able to.
Speaker 1: Subtract some of those uncompetitive pitches and fill up the
Speaker 1: zone a little more and couple that with the swing
Speaker 1: and miss that we saw on the change up in
Speaker 1: the curveball, I think there still could be a decent
Speaker 1: version of Merrill Kelly out there. The velocity was up
Speaker 1: in this game, as fastball average ninety three point four.
Speaker 1: Everything was up across the board. So it still doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like it's a huge stuff drop off. It's just
Speaker 1: a matter of getting his command to be on par
Speaker 1: with what it's been in recent seasons, and granted that's
Speaker 1: not an easy thing to do. I mean, Meryl Kelly
Speaker 1: at his best has some of the best command that
Speaker 1: we see in all of baseball, So still still yeah,
Speaker 1: you want to see more from Meryl more of this.
Speaker 1: Moving forward, a couple of news items before we get
Speaker 1: into some fun trade deadline speculation. The Diamondbacks did make
Speaker 1: a roster move prior to Sunday's Game Jack. They optioned
Speaker 1: the Lou James Groover down to trip Ballet. They recalled
Speaker 1: Tim Tawa. Tawa of course went on to start that
Speaker 1: Sunday game Jack. What were your initial thoughts on this move?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I mean it goes back to the
Speaker 2: fact that Lou James Gruber had had gone four for
Speaker 2: twelve with two doubles, in, a homer and three walks
Speaker 2: over you know, fifteen plate appearances, okay, and then he
Speaker 2: hit that homer on the twenty fourth. The next day
Speaker 2: he was out of the lineup, but they it was
Speaker 2: rained out. He didn't play the next day. He played
Speaker 2: on the twenty seventh, went over three, and then didn't
Speaker 2: play again until Saturday when he went over two. Then
Speaker 2: he was lifted mid game. So he got five plate
Speaker 2: appearances from the twenty fifth of June and July fourth, right,
Speaker 2: So that's nine days, five plate appearances in nine days.
Speaker 2: And I meanwhile, at the same time. I think Peven
Speaker 2: started in five games and got eighteen or nineteen played appearances.
Speaker 2: And yes, I understand they're not facing left handed pitching
Speaker 2: very much. You know, it's almost all right handers. But
Speaker 2: Peven hasn't been doing anything for a long time. We've
Speaker 2: talked about this at nauseum, you know, and certainly they
Speaker 2: could have gotten at least two more starts for Groover
Speaker 2: in their you know, platoon matchup. Be damned. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that they should have completely bench Peven. Maybe they
Speaker 2: should have, I don't know, but how hard could it
Speaker 2: have been to not completely ice Krouver? You know, so
Speaker 2: that bothers me. I mean like there was no need
Speaker 2: to actually ice him that badly. I mean, he could
Speaker 2: have at least had six or eight more at bats
Speaker 2: in that nine day period. There was no need to
Speaker 2: complete run away from him. Now, you know, they can say, okay,
Speaker 2: well we send him back to Triple A so that
Speaker 2: he can play every day, but you know, he needed
Speaker 2: to play here or so you see what you got.
Speaker 2: We don't know what we got. His APT beets look better.
Speaker 2: You know. It wasn't just that he had the three
Speaker 2: for twelve with the two doubles and a homer. He
Speaker 2: also took three walks in there. Some of those apt
Speaker 2: beats look pretty good, so you know, and then they
Speaker 2: just completely shut him down. And meanwhile, Peven just keeps
Speaker 2: getting more and more opportunities and he's never the one
Speaker 2: to be let go. And I understand as well or
Speaker 2: better than everybody, the finality of DFA, but it's really
Speaker 2: to the detriment of the team here. And I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe he hasn't been striking out too much, although he
Speaker 2: struck out twice today. Peven, you know, did have a hit,
Speaker 2: and he did have that hardline drive. Maybe they're seeing
Speaker 2: something improved quality of at bat and something esoteric. I
Speaker 2: don't know. Results Tory keeps talking about king of the
Speaker 2: court and playing the hot hand, you know, but the
Speaker 2: one hot hand he was starting to develop there and
Speaker 2: Groover he iced him.
Speaker 3: I think that's all very fair.
Speaker 1: Groover did do some things really well when he was
Speaker 1: up at the big league level. He really didn't chase
Speaker 1: out of his zone much. His chase rate was really low.
Speaker 1: He didn't swing and miss much. His strikeout and walk
Speaker 1: grates were good. Like many d BACS hitters, the quality
Speaker 1: of contact wasn't great. His expected batting average was still
Speaker 1: just two fifteen there, but yeah, he was doing some
Speaker 1: things well, and I'm right there with you. That felt
Speaker 1: like you should have been able to find him a
Speaker 1: game here there, just to at least give him a chance.
Speaker 1: And sure, you know, if he has a couple games
Speaker 1: where he goes oh for four, then maybe you would
Speaker 1: rather just send him down at least through the All
Speaker 1: Star break and let him play every day the rest
Speaker 1: of the way. D Backs, as you mentioned, are getting
Speaker 1: all right handed pitchers. It looks like between now and
Speaker 1: in the All Star break, so you could understand that
Speaker 1: to an extent, but it does feel incomplete with Groover
Speaker 1: having just the fifty four played appearances big leagues and
Speaker 1: now back on his way to Triple A. So yeah,
Speaker 1: a bit of a surprising move there for the Diamondbacks,
Speaker 1: but that is the one that they made. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get into some fun read Debtmer's talk here on Snake's Territory,
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Speaker 1: Corbyn Carrol has looked pretty rough lately for the Diamondbacks.
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Speaker 2: Just something I want to say real quick about that
Speaker 2: Padre series. Yeah. On May twenty eight, if you look
Speaker 2: ahead to this series, you would think, boy, this is
Speaker 2: going to be huge. Both teams were thirty one and
Speaker 2: twenty four, so they were tied, and the d Backs
Speaker 2: at that point had a playoff odds at Fangrafts of
Speaker 2: fifty four percent and the Padres at thirty five percent
Speaker 2: because they projected better. And you know if you fast
Speaker 2: forward to July fifth and see if they updated. So
Speaker 2: Diamondbacks are forty four and forty five, the Padres are
Speaker 2: forty three and forty five. The d Backs have a
Speaker 2: fifteen percent chance to make the playoffs and the Padres
Speaker 2: have a ten percent chance to make the playoffs. And
Speaker 2: that's all I got to say about that.
Speaker 1: Padres are desperate to get a win. They've lost eight
Speaker 1: in a row. They are facing the Dodgers as they
Speaker 1: record right now, see if they're able to get back
Speaker 1: in the win column in that game. But yes, the Diamondbacks,
Speaker 1: their fate at the trade deadline is still very much
Speaker 1: to be determined. So today we are going to focus
Speaker 1: our trade speculation on a player that could make make
Speaker 1: sense for the Diamondbacks regardless of whether they buy or sell,
Speaker 1: and that is Los Angeles Angels left hander Reed Debtmers.
Speaker 1: Here are Debtmers numbers for the twenty twenty six season,
Speaker 1: one hundred and four and two thirds innings. A four
Speaker 1: to one three r A one to one one whip.
Speaker 1: Strikeout rate is impressive at twenty seven point one percent.
Speaker 1: Walk rate is below league average for the first time
Speaker 1: in his career, I believe, at seven point nine percent.
Speaker 1: The peripherals here are pretty good. A three point zero
Speaker 1: eight FIP, a three seven six x FIP in a
Speaker 1: three to one eight expected er.
Speaker 3: Jack.
Speaker 1: On MLB Network earlier today, John Hayman said that Debtmers
Speaker 1: is quote really coveted around the league, or that he
Speaker 1: expects him to be a hot commodity at the trade deadline.
Speaker 1: Of course, there are no assurances that the Angels will
Speaker 1: actually be willing to trade him. That is one of
Speaker 1: the big variables here. Deptmers is under team control through
Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight, so this is a starting pitcher that
Speaker 1: you'd have not only for the rest of this season,
Speaker 1: but two seasons after that as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fact that he's you know, still in his
Speaker 2: just his first arbitration year, he's only making two point
Speaker 2: six million dollars. You know, he's striking out a lot
Speaker 2: of batters. He's throwing strikes, you know, and it's interesting
Speaker 2: to just kind of look at his pedigree a little bit.
Speaker 2: You know. Deptmers was a tenth overall pick by the
Speaker 2: Angels in twenty twenty out of Louisville, and nobody above him. Actually,
Speaker 2: you know, has more Baseball Reference WAR from that draft.
Speaker 2: He's got five to seven. Garrett Crochet was the eleventh
Speaker 2: pick and he's got eleven plus WAR. The d Backs
Speaker 2: took Bryce Jarvis eighteenth overall in that first round of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. He's got one point one b WAR and
Speaker 2: is laboring down in triple A reno. So you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's kind of interesting to look at his history.
Speaker 2: He was moved to the bullpen after a disastrous twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four in the rotation with a six plus ERA.
Speaker 2: He ended up in the bullpen in twenty five. I
Speaker 2: think he pitched over sixty games or something like that,
Speaker 2: and he had a pretty good year. But back in
Speaker 2: the rotation this year and he's having a career year.
Speaker 2: So that puts the Angels in a good cell position
Speaker 2: with regards to hey, I've got this young, controllable pitcher.
Speaker 2: He doesn't cost a lot of money. You know, he
Speaker 2: averages about ninety four miles on his fastball. He actually
Speaker 2: had the proverbial uptick last year. He was like at
Speaker 2: ninety five point eight as a reliever. So it's not
Speaker 2: a loss of velocity though, because he actually has been
Speaker 2: around ninety four average through most of his career as
Speaker 2: a starter. So a lot of interesting things about Red
Speaker 2: Detmer is the question, of course becomes what would he cost?
Speaker 2: And that's a tricky, wicked or however that phrase goes.
Speaker 3: I think the short answer is a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, any anytime you're talking about a starting pitcher
Speaker 1: with two plus years of control. Deptmers is only twenty
Speaker 1: six years old, which is part of what makes him
Speaker 1: so attractive. Yeah, there's I mean, this is the type
Speaker 1: of asset that every single team in baseball would would
Speaker 1: want to have. And part of the reason we're bringing
Speaker 1: his name up is that David Schoenfield over at ESPN
Speaker 1: mentioned dept Meers as a trade target for the Diamondbacks
Speaker 1: alongside several other teams. He mentioned the Cardinals, the Athletics
Speaker 1: as well the Nationals. I think we're also in there.
Speaker 1: So the Deptmers is the kind of picture that basically
Speaker 1: any team would would want, and that means the price,
Speaker 1: if you're the Diamondbacks, would be high. You're you're probably
Speaker 1: talking jack about one of the team's top position player prospects,
Speaker 1: a Dimitrio Crossantis, Ryan Waldschmidt. I'm I'm what intrigued how
Speaker 1: teams would value Jordan Lawler. I imagine not as highly
Speaker 1: as those other two guys, because Lawler just so clearly
Speaker 1: has struggled with injuries.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so maybe it's.
Speaker 1: A Demetrio Crossantes plus a couple of pitchers, you know,
Speaker 1: David Hageman and Mitch Bratt, something like that, a picture
Speaker 1: who's pretty close a picture and Bratt, who of course
Speaker 1: has now touched the big league level. A package of
Speaker 1: something like those three guys that probably gets the conversation going.
Speaker 1: I'm not totally convinced though, that that's enough for the Angels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the fact that a lot of other
Speaker 2: teams are going to be in on him, and the
Speaker 2: fact that he's a controllable starting pitcher. You know, I
Speaker 2: know that people that love prospects are going to, you know,
Speaker 2: just completely bulk at the concept of giving up some
Speaker 2: of the top rated prospects that the team has. But
Speaker 2: you know, the reality is this, if you want a
Speaker 2: young starting picture with that strikes out more than ten
Speaker 2: per nine and is having a good year and has
Speaker 2: two and a half year's remaining of control, it's going
Speaker 2: to cost you if that, you know, But the DBAX
Speaker 2: needs somebody like that. I mean, Michael Soroka is probably
Speaker 2: going to be gone in free agency. Of course, Zach
Speaker 2: Gallon's going to be gone. We don't know if Corvin
Speaker 2: Burns is going to be healthy enough next year. We
Speaker 2: don't know where he's going to be at.
Speaker 3: Their hope is healthy.
Speaker 2: Well believe when I see it, when I see the
Speaker 2: whites of his eyes on the mound game after game
Speaker 2: and not getting hurt again, and I'll believe it. That's it.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he's a show me guy when
Speaker 2: it comes to health. Now for the rest of his career,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to even debate that. Yes, if he's healthy,
Speaker 2: he's going to be good. But we don't know where
Speaker 2: he's going to be at. So you know, when we
Speaker 2: were talking about this, you know, I kind of came
Speaker 2: up with like low ball offer, medium offer, and make
Speaker 2: your eyes water offer, and all three of them started
Speaker 2: off with David Hageman. And you know that may be
Speaker 2: a non starter for Mike Hazen, but that's a starting
Speaker 2: pitcher that you know has actually shown the most stuff
Speaker 2: of late. He's still pretty low down, he's got he's
Speaker 2: not ready for the majors yet, so it wouldn't be
Speaker 2: enough to just get Hagerman. But Mike Haysen probably favors
Speaker 2: Hageman more than just about any other starter in his
Speaker 2: system right now. I know he's got a lot of
Speaker 2: belief in him. So I don't know if you know
Speaker 2: that's that's something that Mike would consider. But if Mike
Speaker 2: feels that strongly about it, guess what scouts of other
Speaker 2: teams and other front offices probably feel the same way.
Speaker 2: So it starts with Hageman, and then you know, maybe
Speaker 2: Jose Cabrera and Demetrio Croissants, or maybe Hageman and Bratt.
Speaker 2: Like you said, well you get a major league ready
Speaker 2: guy in Crysants, or if you really want to make
Speaker 2: your eyes water, Hagerman, Bratt and Walschmidt. And you know,
Speaker 2: people may think like that's madness, and there's no way
Speaker 2: you could consider Hageman, Bratt and crsentis let alone Hageman,
Speaker 2: Ratt and Walshmidt. And I'm not saying they should or will.
Speaker 2: I'm saying it should be that kind of package that's
Speaker 2: gonna be required to peel him away. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that is very fair and and it wouldn't
Speaker 1: shock me if if the Angels were able to do
Speaker 1: better elsewhere. I think that Ryan Waldschmidt, while I still
Speaker 1: think his value is high, the fact that he he
Speaker 1: did sort of hit a wall in his first stint
Speaker 1: in the big leagues and is not His.
Speaker 3: Numbers in Triple A are good.
Speaker 1: I know he had a pretty solid run there, but
Speaker 1: the underlying numbers for him in Triple A are still
Speaker 1: not you know, blow me away. This guy needs to
Speaker 1: be in the majors tomorrow type stuff. He's been a
Speaker 1: clearly above average player, but not necessarily an elite an
Speaker 1: elite player there, and then Crissants is in Double.
Speaker 3: A and knocking the cover off the ball.
Speaker 1: But you know, there's still a lot to prove for him,
Speaker 1: and he's been injury prone and he's he's the type
Speaker 1: of player who's probably going to provide most of his
Speaker 1: value from his back. He doesn't have a bunch of
Speaker 1: other tools going for him. That puts a lot of
Speaker 1: pressure on him to really really hit in the major leagues.
Speaker 1: So all that to say, I think I think it's
Speaker 1: possible that the top the highest level prospect the Diamondbacks
Speaker 1: can offer is is not as intriguing to the Angels
Speaker 1: as the highest level prospect they could get from another team.
Speaker 1: And uh, that's that's just kind of the situation that
Speaker 1: Dbacks are in right now, where they do have some
Speaker 1: prospects who are interesting, but the the the tier that
Speaker 1: they're able to reach is not quite as high as
Speaker 1: some other some other systems in the league.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, then it might even another player,
Speaker 2: like it might have to be a volume type situation. Sure,
Speaker 2: well you give up four players or five players.
Speaker 1: We also should probably clarify that, like Deptmers does have
Speaker 1: a four to one three E this season, which is
Speaker 1: not really going to blow you away. I know you
Speaker 1: did some work on this jack and found that the
Speaker 1: which is not rocket science, but the Angels are not
Speaker 1: a very good defensive team and so the fact that
Speaker 1: Deptmer's surface numbers have lagged far behind his underlying numbers
Speaker 1: is not real surprising.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you go back to twenty twenty
Speaker 2: one when Deptmer's actually entered the league because he had
Speaker 2: his first cup of coffee there. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: in the last five years, the Angels ranked twenty ninth
Speaker 2: in MLB in fielding run value. I think it's a
Speaker 2: negative one hundred and seventy six d Backs over that
Speaker 2: five year span, which includes their bad season of twenty one,
Speaker 2: ranked ninth with ninety one FRV. And I think if
Speaker 2: you move out twenty one and go from twenty two forward,
Speaker 2: it's over one hundred and so you know, while he's
Speaker 2: Deptmer's has a career four six five VRA, he's got
Speaker 2: a three to nine to one career FIP. You know,
Speaker 2: he's got four point oh two career x FIP, he's
Speaker 2: got a four point oh three career x CR. So
Speaker 2: you know, more than half a run lower, well more
Speaker 2: than half a run lower for his career, and this
Speaker 2: year it's about a full run. Yeah, you know, Jesse
Speaker 2: just said three point oh eight five three seven six
Speaker 2: fIF three one eight x e r A and a
Speaker 2: three six two SIERRA. So you know, the composite average
Speaker 2: of his of his UH estimators is almost a run
Speaker 2: lower this year. So I mean to my I read
Speaker 2: Deppmer's is a sub four e RA guy legitimately this
Speaker 2: year and for his career who's played in front of
Speaker 2: a really bad offense and probably also never really had
Speaker 2: very good bullpens behind him for the most part. So
Speaker 2: probably a very high percentage of bequeathed runners allowed to score.
Speaker 2: I didn't look that up, but I guarantee your fate
Speaker 2: took a moment here to go do it. I'm sure
Speaker 2: i'd see pretty high number of you know, the inherited
Speaker 2: runners scored by the relievers coming in after redemers, probably
Speaker 2: higher than league average.
Speaker 1: I think that is safe to say. The Angels are
Speaker 1: just bad at pretty much everything, right, So probably a
Speaker 1: safe assumption there. Another storyline here, certainly is the Angels
Speaker 1: have had some changes in their organization recently. John Moseylock
Speaker 1: is now running the show as the main baseball ops guy.
Speaker 1: Perimnesian is no longer no longer in that role. Of course,
Speaker 1: Arty Moreno remains the owner in Anaheim, and so there
Speaker 1: are still very valid questions about whether the Angels are
Speaker 1: going to actually tear down. Is Arty Moreno going to
Speaker 1: give the go ahead for mozay Loock to make a
Speaker 1: trade like this, I'm not sure that's a given. You
Speaker 1: could argue Jose Soriano, another promising young pitcher in that organization,
Speaker 1: on that team, they probably should do something similar with
Speaker 1: him at least be curious about taking those offers, And
Speaker 1: I'm just not sure they will. It just hasn't really
Speaker 1: been Ardy Moreno's m O in the past. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he's an intriguing pitcher. He doesn't make that much money.
Speaker 1: You've got the team control, You've got a pitch arsenal
Speaker 1: that looks stellar across the board, fastball, slider, change up,
Speaker 1: curveball throws, the occasional sinker, the sliders really the elite outpitch.
Speaker 1: But he has a whiff rate over thirty percent on
Speaker 1: all three of those secondaries, the slider, change up in curveball.
Speaker 1: This is something I've looked at recently, Jack, like, how
Speaker 1: many which Dbacks pitchers have an outpitch have a secondary
Speaker 1: pitch that has a whiff rate over thirty percent. That's
Speaker 1: kind of the benchmark where you feel like a pitch
Speaker 1: is really capable of getting swing and.
Speaker 3: Miss, and you'd be surprised.
Speaker 1: It is pretty hard to find a secondary pitch on
Speaker 1: this major league roster, at least among the starters that
Speaker 1: is getting that kind of swing and miss and read
Speaker 1: debt Verse has three of them. He is kind of
Speaker 1: in a different category when it comes to missing bats
Speaker 1: compared with the rest of this starting rotation.
Speaker 3: So it would be pretty.
Speaker 1: Cool jack something something that would really be a fun,
Speaker 1: blockbuster type move.
Speaker 3: Is it actually going to happen? Probably not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And look whether or not the Diamondbacks are even
Speaker 2: going to be willing to go down this path. I
Speaker 2: think that the exercise here in looking at this picture
Speaker 2: and thinking about, like what it would take to get
Speaker 2: them to me that was the most interesting thing about
Speaker 2: all of this, Like what would the dvacs have to
Speaker 2: give up? Who knows what the Angels would like? I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: you got to We don't know. We're not the Angel Scouts,
Speaker 2: So I haven't talked to the Angel Scouts and they
Speaker 2: haven't told me like, yo, yeah, this guy in your system,
Speaker 2: we really liked it, And they're never going to do that,
Speaker 2: so you know, you don't know what they're going to
Speaker 2: ask for. But that's really the most important thing as
Speaker 2: we enter the these types of talks and considerations running
Speaker 2: up to the deadline is don't overestimate your the value
Speaker 2: of the prospects that you have, because yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: it just usually takes more to get a really good
Speaker 2: player than you would.
Speaker 1: Think they might ask for wald Schmidt and Crossantes and
Speaker 1: Hageman and Bratt, and then Mike Hasen probably hangs up
Speaker 1: the phone and that's that, and that that is a
Speaker 1: very very positible outcome, so fun fun to think about. Nonetheless,
Speaker 1: before we get out of here, we did want to
Speaker 1: circle back to the Diamondbacks All Stars. They have two
Speaker 1: of them that were officially named part of the NL
Speaker 1: All Star roster. We already talked about e Rod and
Speaker 1: him being named an All Star, his first All Star
Speaker 1: selection in his eleventh season, and you know you maybe wonder, like,
Speaker 1: all right, e Rod got his All Star selection, is
Speaker 1: he gonna go back on the mound and solidify himself
Speaker 1: as that guy? And even though the game didn't end
Speaker 1: well for the d Backs today, he was still really good.
Speaker 1: I mean, six plus innings, two runs. You take that
Speaker 1: from him any day. And he Rod has been everything
Speaker 1: you could ask for and more for the Diamondbacks this season.
Speaker 2: Very worthy All Star, There's no question about it. I mean, look,
Speaker 2: there is a jam packed National League group of starting pitchers.
Speaker 2: I think it's good that they only did I think
Speaker 2: the minimum three relief pitchers, so that allowed them to
Speaker 2: take mostly starting pitchers, and that's good. You know, he's
Speaker 2: going to pitch Friday, right, Yeah, so he'll definitely be
Speaker 2: in good shape to you know, go ahead and pitch
Speaker 2: a pitch an inning on Tuesday. Probably means he won't
Speaker 2: be pitching, you know, the first game out of the break,
Speaker 2: but he could probably pitch the second, so he could
Speaker 2: probably know if he pitches it on Tuesday, he can
Speaker 2: go ahead and pitch on Saturday, no problem. So I
Speaker 2: don't know who's going to get that first start coming
Speaker 2: out of the All Star break. But you know, congratulations
Speaker 2: to year out, very worthy, very deserving, and of course
Speaker 2: Corvin Carroll. I mean, you know, yes, he's slumping. He's
Speaker 2: had a very rough June. You wonder why he can't,
Speaker 2: you know, stop swinging and pitches above the zone, let
Speaker 2: alone missing them all the time. But that's only been
Speaker 2: for the last month. In fact, for the year, he's
Speaker 2: again very very worthy All Star. He still leads a
Speaker 2: team in ops, leads the league in the world in triples.
Speaker 2: You know, he's become a I think, a really solid
Speaker 2: leader in that clubhouse. Not vocal but by example, but
Speaker 2: just day by day, step by step. You can see
Speaker 2: him accepting that mantle of leadership, even though it's not
Speaker 2: something that comes naturally to him. So you know, he's
Speaker 2: a good guy. He works his butt off whatever struggles
Speaker 2: he's had over the last few week weeks. Let's not
Speaker 2: be myopic. I mean, this guy's a worthy All Star
Speaker 2: and the Dbacks are very, very lucky to have him.
Speaker 1: For Corbin, it was his third All Star selection in
Speaker 1: the past four years. Pretty impressive stuff at just twenty
Speaker 1: five years old. The Diamondbacks have two representatives in that
Speaker 1: All Star Game next Tuesday and before then. Between now
Speaker 1: and then, they have seven more games to play, all
Speaker 1: very important as we wind down toward the end of
Speaker 1: the first half of the season. D Backs in San
Speaker 1: Diego for four as we discussed, and they finish against
Speaker 1: the Dodgers three games out at Dodger Stadium heading into
Speaker 1: the break. Well, that is all that we have on
Speaker 1: this edition of Snake's Territory. Thank you all for being
Speaker 1: here with us. We really appreciate it. You can find
Speaker 1: us on social media. I am at jesse En Friedman
Speaker 1: on Twitter. Jack is at Shu Wizard fifty nine. You
Speaker 1: can find our show at Snake's Territory. Jack's written work
Speaker 1: you can find all of that over at Air Arizona
Speaker 1: Diamondbacks on SI and Jack getting final thoughts as we
Speaker 1: head into another week.
Speaker 2: I wish I was going to San Diego.
Speaker 1: Well, I am already here, which is nice. The Bacs
Speaker 1: will be right here in my backyard for the next
Speaker 1: few days. Should be able to get out to to
Speaker 1: at least at least one of those games. Should be
Speaker 1: should be a good time. Our next show will be
Speaker 1: on Wednesday night, will be live after that Wednesday game
Speaker 1: in San Diego, so be sure to join us then.
Speaker 1: And once again we say thank you so much for
Speaker 1: being here on this episode. We really appreciate it, and
Speaker 1: we'll be back once again on Wednesday night with another
Speaker 1: edition of Snake's Territory.