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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Connie Claus here with you tonight. So nice to be

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Speaker 2: here with you. A little bit of a white Christmas

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Speaker 2: where I am, and very very very cold. We're talking

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Speaker 2: into the digits already. I mean, Lord did just maybe

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Speaker 2: single digits. But thank goodness in Cleveland, Ohio, where you

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Speaker 2: take a rite from Louisville and you shoot up to

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Speaker 2: New York City, it's fifties, it's really nice. And we

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Speaker 2: have trapper Jack with us tonight. He's going to be

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Speaker 2: talking about the miracles of Christmas that are happening. Don't

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Speaker 2: forget Tomorrow night, Christmas Day night. George Norris going to

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Speaker 2: be doing the Christmas as well, because it's Christmas. He's

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Speaker 2: the man. He's got it going on. But tonight, trapper Jack,

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Speaker 2: tell us what you know and where you would even

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Speaker 2: start with the Birth of Christ. There's so many things

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Speaker 2: in it there, paranormal, beyond the norm that some people

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Speaker 2: didn't want to accept at the time when it happened,

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Speaker 2: and other people did. And you know, tell tell us

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Speaker 2: what you know.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you it says something that you know two

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Speaker 3: thousand years and We've seen empires come and go, rulers

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Speaker 3: come and go, philosophies come and go. But there's still

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Speaker 3: Jesus and the church. Isn't that amazing? Just wite the

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Speaker 3: flaws that that that are within the different churches and

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Speaker 3: faiths and all that kind of isn't it amazing? It's

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Speaker 3: still it's still here. That says something in itself. I

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Speaker 3: don't think he's any question historically, there's just there's you know,

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Speaker 3: he obviously Jesus obviously lived. I kind of like to

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Speaker 3: see us Lewis approach to it all, which he talked

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Speaker 3: about how Jesus basically came to us him he was

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Speaker 3: delivered behind enemy lines disguised as one of us. You know,

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Speaker 3: this is this is God becoming one of us. I mean,

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Speaker 3: what sense does that make?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 3: How many why he loves us that much? Really? So

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Speaker 3: it comes disguised as this baby in this backwater town

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Speaker 3: of Bethlehem where there was the star. And we'll get

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Speaker 3: to the star in a second here too. That's kind

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Speaker 3: of interesting. And then he lives out his life and

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Speaker 3: he looks like he's he looks like he's executed at

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Speaker 3: the end of it all. At the thirty three years.

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Speaker 3: He looks like it's just an execution. It looks like

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Speaker 3: he's the just the victim. And then you realize, no,

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Speaker 3: he was the hunter, not the hunted. He was the hunter.

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Speaker 3: And he swallowed up death, and he swallowed up evil,

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Speaker 3: and he swallowed up sin, and he was resurrected. You know,

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Speaker 3: I think there was something like ten thousand people that

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Speaker 3: were crucified by the Romans back then, but there's only one.

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Speaker 3: There's only one that we know, and that's the one

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Speaker 3: that came back. Because if he doesn't come back, if

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Speaker 3: there isn't a resurrection, then there is no Christianity and

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Speaker 3: we're not having the show and there is no Christmas

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Speaker 3: and all that. So there's all these factoids along the way.

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Speaker 2: You know, do you do you see like all the

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Speaker 2: paranormal stuff that was there, paranormal types of things happening

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Speaker 3: Now? God is the original paranormal, is he not? I mean,

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Speaker 3: Bernie Bush, I mean, you know a mana from heaven,

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Speaker 3: going at the speed of light about ninety billion years

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Speaker 3: And what the Bible tells us is everything was was

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Speaker 3: And it's interesting because kings, Kings live in palaces, you know,

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Speaker 3: you know, that's where food goes. Well. He was born

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Speaker 3: himself the living Bread from heaven. So you have that

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Speaker 3: believe it is Jesus. But even if it's it represents

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Speaker 3: It's kind of they call it recapitulation, really fancy words

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Speaker 3: You see manner from heaven in the Old Testament, so

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Speaker 2: Why do you think that he was born into that

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Speaker 3: Isn't it beautiful?

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Speaker 3: saw the movie The Passion of the Christ, it's amazing,

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Speaker 2: So how do you think when Mary was told, Hey,

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Speaker 3: And Mary says, how can this be? Now she knows

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 3: So then you see things like Joseph's you know, when

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Speaker 3: she when she says, yes, that's the big guest or fiat,

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Speaker 3: that's the big guests, and the Holy Spirit overshadows her

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Speaker 3: and there's Jesus, right. So then now Joseph comes into

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Speaker 3: the picture and it says that he was thinking about

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Speaker 3: divorcing her and all that. There's a lot of different

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Speaker 3: reasons given that why would Joseph do this? Or that,

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, she's had sex with somebody else, and

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Speaker 3: you know, he knows who Mary is. He knows and

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Speaker 3: he knows that's not her, So what else could it be?

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Speaker 3: So the current thinking, and I think it overpowers everything,

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Speaker 3: with the Son of God, he suddenly feels like he

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Speaker 3: doesn't qualify What am I? How am I in this picture?

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Speaker 3: And it was like he wanted to withdraw quietly. I'll

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Speaker 3: just quietly divorce her. It's going to be okay, you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean, and protect her. That makes a

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Speaker 3: whole lot more sense than he thinks she's been messing

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Speaker 3: around with somebody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah she is, no.

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Speaker 3: So I think he was the the you know and

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Speaker 3: who knows right, who know?

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Speaker 2: And his friends like there was there's one film and

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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking of all the different films I've seen,

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Speaker 2: but there's one film where all his buddies were, you know, like,

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Speaker 2: come on, dude, you know this, Come on, what's going

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Speaker 2: on with your woman there? And not believing any of

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Speaker 2: this stuff? And this all started at the very beginning

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Speaker 2: of not believing what's going on and what's happening. A

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Speaker 2: lot of ridicule in Jesus's life from the beginning all

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Speaker 2: the way to the end. Even now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think though, but you know, when you start

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Speaker 3: looking at the fact that.

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Speaker 2: Which is sad, that's all. It's sad. It's sad. It's

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Speaker 2: sad to me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, and there's going to be misunderstanding

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Speaker 3: over two thousand years too. You're going to find a

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Speaker 3: lot of misunderstanding. I think in all this, but you know,

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Speaker 3: it's funny. We were in Italy last year and we

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Speaker 3: saw Mary's wedding ring. What, Yes, it still exists. It's

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Speaker 3: down the road from a Cci in Italy. And what's

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Speaker 3: the name of the town. It's gonna come to me

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Speaker 3: in a second, don't ask me. I think it stairs

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Speaker 3: with a P. I'm forgetting. Anyway. So there's this church,

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Speaker 3: there's this there's this church, and it looks it looked

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Speaker 3: kind of like a doughnut and it had kind of

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Speaker 3: different designs. I think it was kind of an ambush

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Speaker 3: kind of color. But anyway, so it's there now. They

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Speaker 3: they they show to everybody kind of a replica best

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Speaker 3: they could make of it. But it's there. They actually

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Speaker 3: have the wedding ring the they believe the wedding out of.

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Speaker 2: Perugia.

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Speaker 3: John, did you think google that, Donna?

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Speaker 2: No, No, I did not google. It came to my mind.

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Speaker 3: Perugia. Yeahsia, Okay, there you go. There you go it.

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Speaker 2: Adam, our producer helped us out on that. Thank you, Adam.

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Speaker 3: Pretty cool. We're in there looking at it, and then

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Speaker 3: guess what a wedding broke out in the church. I

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Speaker 3: remember what day of the week, it was, but maybe

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Speaker 3: it was a Saturday. I don't even know, but it

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Speaker 3: was funny. We're looking at the weding ring and suddenly

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Speaker 3: all these people start coming in and they're gonna get married,

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Speaker 3: and what they do on occasion of it was once

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Speaker 3: a year or whatever. But the people with their own

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Speaker 3: wedding rings come up and they're allowed to touch their

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Speaker 3: wedding ring to marry the wedding ring. And the reason

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Speaker 3: they knew there was a wedding ring. And I'm thinking

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Speaker 3: it was one of the visionaries and Catherine Emmerick or

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Speaker 3: somebody liked that who they saw a vision. They saw

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Speaker 3: a vision of the ring, she saw the wedding, she

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Speaker 3: saw the ring, she saw people clinking their ring to

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Speaker 3: that ring. She knew it was in Italy, they didn't

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Speaker 3: know where, they didn't know where, and then ultimately found

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Speaker 3: out it was in Perugia that people were doing this.

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Speaker 3: So that's kind of cool.

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Speaker 2: I love that. I think I'm surprised that they allow

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Speaker 2: you to touch it with anything much less than another ring,

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Speaker 2: but I really liked that. I would. I really think

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Speaker 2: that is really cool. I like that. Now I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: i gotta look it up. At one point just to

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Speaker 2: see it too. That's really neat, but I think that's special.

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