1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay, Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 2: All right, second hour Clay and Buck kicks off right now. 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 2: Our friend Andy McCarthy joins us in progress here. He 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 2: is from Bucks News and National Reviews. He's been over 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 2: twenty years as a federal prosecutor in the Southern District 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: of New York. Andy, we knew we were going to 8 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 2: need you today if we could get you. Thanks for 9 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 2: calling in. 10 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 3: Oh, it's my pleasure. Guys. We got something to talk about. 11 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think so. 12 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: Just Clay is on vacation right now, just so you know, 13 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 2: so he's going to call in just like you later 14 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 2: on this hour. So it's just it's just you and 15 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: me today. Andy, It's it's it's Buck and Andy for 16 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: this one. So tell me this man, tell me this 17 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: the How does it go from here? 18 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: Now? 19 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we've got a federal indictment in Miami. 20 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 2: What happens now in terms of process and what to expect? 21 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 3: Well, I heard just in the last few minutes Buck 22 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 3: that they were about to unseal the indictments. So we thought, 23 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 3: apparently that that was not going to happen until next week. 24 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 3: So it looks like it's going to happen shortly. There 25 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 3: will be an arraignment on Tuesday. At least the schedule 26 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 3: right now is at three o'clock on Tuesday in Miami. 27 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 3: Because the prosecutors at the last minute decided to shift 28 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 3: venue from Washington to Florida. I think that was wise 29 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 3: on their parkas they were going to lose a motion 30 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 3: to change venue if they tried to bring the whole 31 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 3: case in Washington, so they were better off doing that. 32 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 3: And then it goes from there. It'll be assigned to 33 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 3: a judge. I understand interestingly, at least from what I 34 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 3: heard this morning, that at least initially the judge who's 35 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 3: going to have the case is Aileen Cannon, who was 36 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 3: the judge who was involved in the right after the 37 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 3: Church warrant, the judge who was involved in the whole 38 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 3: litigation over the special Master. So it's not that she 39 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 3: knows a lot about this case, obviously. But what would 40 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 3: typically happen is they'll set a motion schedule and they 41 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 3: may or may not set a trial date, usually in 42 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 3: a case where there's apt to be complex motions, and 43 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 3: I would think any case where you're trying to indict 44 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 3: a former president who was also a prospective president. There's 45 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 3: going to be some complicated motions. They'll probably set a 46 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 3: date for when those must be filed by and when 47 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 3: they'll be argued, and maybe we'll get a trial date. 48 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: We'll have to see when do you think the trial 49 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,839 Speaker 2: is going to happen? Just is it going to be 50 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: before the Republican primary is over? Could they hold it? 51 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,399 Speaker 2: I mean, how do you think the scheduling plays out? 52 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 3: I think thought that the reason that Smith probably decided 53 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 3: the better part of valor was just to bring the 54 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 3: case in Florida is he didn't want to be bogged 55 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 3: down some months arguing venue and then losing, which is 56 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 3: what would have happened. So that suggests to me that 57 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 3: he'd like to push it to trial before the election. 58 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 3: Whether he'll be able to do that or not is 59 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 3: going to be a question of what the judges. The 60 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 3: judge basically, once the last thing that the government can 61 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 3: do that it controls completely is bring the case. You know, 62 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 3: you always have control over when you bring that within reason, 63 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 3: within like the Statute of limitations, But other than that, 64 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 3: once the case is brought, it's really up to the 65 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 3: judge how fast it moves, and I think they're going 66 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 3: to want to move fast. But the thing is, this 67 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 3: is not the only item on Trump's dance card. You know. 68 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 3: Later this month, he's in federal court in Manhattan trying 69 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 3: to get the brag Manhattan DA's case brought to federal court. 70 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: I think he's going to lose that, but they're going 71 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 3: to have a big hearing this month, and then in 72 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: August we're going to get an indictment, no doubt, in 73 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 3: Atlanta from Fanny Willis, the Fulton County prosecutor. And then 74 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 3: in October the civil fraud trial in New York brought 75 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 3: by the New York Attorney General, Letitia Chains. That's the 76 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 3: trial of that case is supposed to start October third, 77 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 3: and that's going to go for a few weeks. That's 78 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 3: going to be I wouldn't go to sleep on that case. 79 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 3: I think that we're gonna do. There's gonna be a 80 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 3: lot of information that comes out of that case, and 81 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 3: it's going to be a hard one for Trump because 82 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 3: it's civil. So you know, they can make a big 83 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 3: deal over the fact that he didn't answer questions in 84 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 3: his free trial deposition. He doesn't you know, if he 85 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 3: doesn't testify, they can comment on it. It's a lower 86 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 3: burden the proof of the states. So that's a tough 87 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 3: one for him. And then once we get close to 88 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 3: the end of the year, you're supposed to argue the 89 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 3: motions in Bragg's case, you know, in Manhattan, and then 90 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: that case he scheduled the judge there is scheduled that's 91 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 3: for trial on March twenty fifth, which is like two 92 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 3: weeks fifth to Super Tuesday. So I think all threaded 93 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 3: through the debates, the campaign and the primary contests are 94 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 3: going to be these you know, these big ticket litigation 95 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: matters that Trump is going to have to attend to. 96 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 2: Andy, if you were Trump's defense attorney in the Miami 97 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,679 Speaker 2: federal indictment, right, how worried are you about this case? 98 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 3: Have I gotten paid? 99 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, You've already got your retainer. You're good on that. 100 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 2: How worried are you for your client? 101 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 3: Now I can think more clearly, Yeah, I think I'd 102 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 3: be worried, you know, because the best defense that Trump 103 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 3: has to this case is really not a legal defense. 104 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 3: It's more like a political you know, it's a selective 105 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 3: prosecution defense. And the thing about selective prosecution is you 106 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 3: almost never win that. On the law, Selective prosecution is 107 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 3: the argument you make to persuade the prosecutor not to 108 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 3: charge once the prosecutor does charge. Legally, selective prosecution doesn't 109 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 3: help you with the jury, because the jury in the 110 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 3: trial is going to be told the only issue for 111 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 3: you is whether the government has proved the charges against 112 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 3: this defendant beyond a reasonable doubt. It's not a defense 113 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 3: that some other person who should have been charged wasn't. 114 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 3: So to the extent that, like the Hillary Clinton precedent, 115 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 3: was helpful to Trump, and I think it will continue 116 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 3: to be helpful politically, particularly putting heat on the Justice 117 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 3: Department with respect to Biden's classified information issue, but I 118 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 3: don't think it helps them much legally. And the other 119 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 3: problem Trump has is he'll get a second bite at 120 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 3: the apple in Florida on this. But the judge in 121 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 3: Washington ruled that his attorney, Mark Corkoran, had to testify 122 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 3: and turn over to the prosecutor all of his notes, 123 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 3: which are pretty elaborate about conversations with Trump, which I 124 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 3: think has become like a key part of the obstruction 125 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 3: case as far as the prosecutors are concerned, and that 126 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 3: could be a very tough case for him if it 127 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 3: turns out that that sworn statement that they gave to 128 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 3: the FBI for transmission to the grand jury in June 129 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 3: of twenty twenty two, where they represented under Oathe that 130 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 3: they had done a thorough search and the thirty eight 131 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 3: documents they were turning over that day were the only 132 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 3: ones that Trump had in his possession, and then we 133 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 3: find out like two months later, they do the raid 134 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: and they find one hundred more that if the jury 135 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 3: concludes that that was a false statement and that Trump 136 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 3: caused a false statement to be made to the grand jury, 137 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 3: He's going to get convicted on that. And you know, 138 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 3: I think the problem he has with that count is, 139 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 3: while he can he can talk about selective prosecution very 140 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 3: well with respect to a lot of this, anyone in 141 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 3: the country who provided a false sworn statement to the 142 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 3: grand jury would get prosecuted, it's going to be hard 143 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: to say that he's you know, that's the kind of 144 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 3: behavior that they have. 145 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: What do you make andy of of this? It's reported 146 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 2: right now, we don't know, but I think CNN is claiming, 147 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: or I think they're claiming they have this audio where 148 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: Trump is talking about Irani. You know, some US attack 149 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 2: plan on Iran that he has a document he didn't declass. 150 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: I mean again, folks, it could all be crap, but 151 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 2: this is what they're reporting right now. If that is 152 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: even approximately correct or real, is that a big problem. 153 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 3: Well, you know you know this as well as I do, Buck, 154 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 3: because you were from that world. 155 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: That world. 156 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I've always thought that Trump's declassification spiel 157 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 3: that he's been doing ever since the mar A Lago 158 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 3: rating in August. To me, that's always been a red 159 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 3: herring because it's not a defense to the best Biononjack 160 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 3: d Esbonajack doesn't talk about classes but classified information to 161 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 3: talk about national defense information. So legally, even if he 162 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 3: did dclass every document, which there's no evidence that he 163 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 3: actually did, it wouldn't be a defense because if it's 164 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 3: national defense information, then he's got to return it when 165 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 3: there's a demand made for it, and he's not allowed 166 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 3: to keep it in an unauthorized place. So I've never 167 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 3: been impressed by the declassification speel. And what it seems 168 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 3: to me the CNN reported recording does is it is 169 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 3: it undercuts his claim that he declassified everything. But I 170 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 3: never thought much of his claim that he declassified everything, 171 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 3: and obviously the declassification doesn't help him at all with 172 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 3: the obstruction count because the subpoena that was issued to them, 173 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 3: the prosecutor the Justice Department didn't want to get into 174 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 3: the issue of whether he had declassified the documents or not. 175 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 3: So when the grand jury subpoena they gave him in 176 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 3: May of twenty twenty two, what they demanded that he 177 00:09:54,720 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 3: turnover was every document that was physically marked classified. So 178 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 3: it doesn't matter for those purposes whether he declassified him 179 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 3: or not. If he had documents that had physical classification 180 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 3: markings on him, he was required to surrender them under 181 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 3: the subpoena. 182 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: And he if he's found guilty. 183 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 2: If you know, I've for a few weeks people who 184 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 2: are getting a little mad at me because I was saying, guys, 185 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 2: I think he's going to get indicted. I think this 186 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 2: is imminent, and here we are if he is found guilty. 187 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 2: I'm not saying he will be, and I think there's 188 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: some you know, all it takes is one juror in 189 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: Miami to see what's going on here. But if he's 190 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: found guilty, is he going to prison? 191 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 3: Probably I think in a case like this fuck ordinarily 192 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 3: now his age would and his lack of a meaningful 193 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 3: criminal record obviously would play in his favor, as would 194 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 3: the fact that it would it would rip the country 195 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 3: apart to incarcerate him. I think even we're playing with 196 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 3: fire doing what we're doing, we have gotten to the 197 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 3: point of jail. But just if you wanted to treat 198 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 3: this like any other case, the Spionage Act is taken 199 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 3: seriously by courts because of the national security implications of it. 200 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 3: But I don't you know, if there's a single category 201 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 3: of case, you know, put murder and terrorism and all 202 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 3: that stuff aside. If there's a single category of case 203 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 3: that I think judges and sentencing judges in particular takes seriously, 204 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 3: it's obstruction because that's basically what they deem that to 205 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 3: be is like a crime against a court, and generally speaking, 206 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 3: people who get convicted of obstruction crimes get time. I'm 207 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 3: not saying, you know, all these cases, all these counts 208 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 3: as we know, like the espionajac to ten year counts 209 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 3: and obstructions twenty year counts and lying to the grand 210 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 3: juries of five year counts. 211 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not going to jail for one hundred years. 212 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 2: We know that, but he might on obstruction. You think 213 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 2: they might say six months or something. 214 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 3: Could that happen or sure absolutely could happen. There's nothing 215 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 3: by the way that we're in. We end in the 216 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 3: same place we always end right. There's nothing in the 217 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 3: constitution that says that that disqualifies them from running for president. 218 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: These are crazy times. Andy, keep the phone handy. We're 219 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: gonna need you. Thanks for calling in, Andy mccarthur. Everybody 220 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,559 Speaker 1: and we appreciate you. Take care, but no man, thank you? 221 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 2: What a what a mess? Okay, switching gears here for 222 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 2: a second. Whether you exercise or not, as the age, 223 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 2: you experienced some kind of pain and minus shoulder pain, 224 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 2: that's where I've just had a rough time for the 225 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 2: last oh gosh, nine months or so. 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Every time that Biden 247 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 4: comes under the microscope, every time we show corruption by 248 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 4: Joe Biden and his family, there's an indictment on Donald Trump. 249 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 4: And I said this two days ago. I said that 250 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 4: this was going to happen on the day that we 251 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 4: either held in contempt Christopher Ray with the FBI, or 252 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 4: we got access to those documents, right what I predicted 253 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 4: it it came true. This is the Banana Republic. I 254 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 4: just cannot believe that this is what actually happening. He's 255 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 4: trying to take out his political opponents using the executive branch. 256 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 4: That's what this is. 257 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 2: As Representative Mace who is saying, she called it that 258 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 2: the documents of making their way the FBI informant documents 259 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: making their way over to the Republicans in the House 260 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: Oversight Committee would perhaps coincide with the indictment of Donald Trump. 261 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 2: And here we are notice that the question when it 262 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 2: comes to the Bidens isn't did they commit crimes? It's 263 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: not did Hunter Biden break the law? It's is the 264 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: justice system willing to prosecute the president's son for his clear, 265 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 2: obvious and on the record breaking of laws. And so 266 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 2: far the answer has been a resounding no, they will not. 267 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 2: And remember that I said this, if in fact they do, 268 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: you will see Vemo sweetheart kid glove soft treatment of 269 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 2: Hunter Biden by the justice system imaginable. So then they 270 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 2: can turn around and say, see we're you know, we're 271 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: we do what we're fair minded. No no, no, no, no. 272 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 2: He either goes to prison or the whole thing's a scam. 273 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 2: That's really where we are. We also have speaking out 274 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 2: on this a number of people, including Gosh, including Josh Hawley, 275 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: who understands, I think this moment that the country is 276 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 2: in and what a disgrace all of this is. Play 277 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 2: clip nine here. 278 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 5: If the president in power can just jail his political opponents, 279 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 5: which is what Joe Biden is trying to do tonight, 280 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 5: we don't have a republic anymore. We don't have the 281 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,479 Speaker 5: rule of law, we don't have the constitution. Our constitution 282 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 5: is built on the basic rule of law and due process, 283 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 5: and nobody should be in doubt of what's happening tonight. 284 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 5: Joe Biden and his cronies trying to take out their 285 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 5: chief political opponent. This has never happened before in American history. Laura, 286 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 5: we are in dangerous, dangerous waters, and it is because 287 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 5: of Joe Biden. 288 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 2: So there's certainly a lot of people who are outraged 289 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 2: about this. You know, I'm going to spare you listening 290 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 2: to the glee that the Democrats in the commentariat have 291 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 2: expressed over this. No surprise if you go over to MSNBC. 292 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 2: They're popping the champagne quirks. They think this is fantastic 293 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: for the country. One part of this, though, that I 294 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: think no one can really know in advance, is what 295 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 2: is it going to do within the Republican primary? How 296 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 2: does this now play out? How do the other candidates 297 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 2: handle it, not just with an initial statement, but going forward. 298 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 2: Here's byron Yorke on that issue play clip ten. 299 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 6: The Republican candidates in the presidential race have a bit 300 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 6: of a conflict of interest here. I think most of 301 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 6: them believe, as do their voters, that Trump has been 302 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 6: unfairly targeted since twenty sixteen. On the other hand, they're 303 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 6: looking at a case in which Trump is leading the 304 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 6: field by so far that they think something spectacular has 305 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 6: to happen to cut into that lead, and frankly, some 306 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 6: of them were thinking that perhaps an indictment might do that. 307 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 6: On the other hand, this indictment might have the same 308 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 6: effect that the Manhattan indictment did, which was increase Trump's support. 309 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 2: No one really knows how this will affect the polls 310 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 2: and the eventual voting in the primary yet, but it 311 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: does feel like the American people are being denied the 312 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,719 Speaker 2: right to just decide. Certainly, the Republican primary voters are 313 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 2: being denied the right to decide for themselves. Clay is 314 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 2: going to be joining us here in just a moment, 315 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 2: taking a break from his vacation, get his thoughts on this, 316 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 2: and then Julie Kelly, she'll be joining us in the 317 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: third hour about the other federal indictment that's probably coming. Look, 318 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 2: when I can't get to the gun range with my brothers, 319 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 2: I trade at home using the MANTISX. Mantis X is 320 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 2: a firearms trading system that is a no AMMO all 321 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 2: electronic way to improve your shooting accuracy. 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And so he has come 342 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 2: off of the hiking trail here to tell us his 343 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 2: thoughts on a co host of this program, of course, 344 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 2: Klay Travis here he is with us. 345 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 7: Clay. 346 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 2: Sorry to interrupt your vacation, my friend, but everyone wants 347 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 2: to hear your thoughts on this. Just give us your 348 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 2: your your top line reactions. 349 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 7: So, first of all, Smoky mountains are beautiful. I was 350 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 7: literally hiking in the Smoky Mountains dodging a bear craft 351 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 7: on the trails just shortly ago to start the morning. 352 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 7: But like I think a lot of people, last night, 353 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 7: when the news came down, it just to me epitomized 354 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 7: the ultimate lie of Joe Biden's candidacy, which was he 355 00:19:54,960 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 7: was going to restore normalcy and a complete respect for himocracy, 356 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 7: and instead he has embarked us on a path that 357 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 7: has never been taken in two hundred and forty plus 358 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 7: years of United States history. And I think that this 359 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 7: is why Buck and you know this because we've talked 360 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 7: about it a lot off air, but this is why 361 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 7: we had Ryan DeSantis on, and why when we've had 362 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 7: so many different Republican presidential contenders on, we've wanted to 363 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 7: ask the question, would you pardon Donald Trump in the 364 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 7: event that you are the nominee and the eventual president 365 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 7: taking the oath of office in January of twenty twenty five, 366 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 7: because regardless of your politics, Democrat, Republican, Independent, I truly 367 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 7: believe the precedent that is being set here of it 368 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 7: is acceptable to bring charges against your chief political rival 369 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 7: for let's be honest, relatively inconsequential issues of procedural criminal misconduct. 370 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 7: We're not talking about somebody committing a murder. We're not 371 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 7: talking about somebody getting drunk and driving in a car 372 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 7: and hitting someone right where there's a clear criminal action. 373 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 7: We're talking about a definite political prosecution. Donald Trump would 374 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 7: have never been a defendant on any of these issues, 375 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 7: either in New York, Atlanta, or certainly in federal cases 376 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 7: if he was still in office, right or if he 377 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 7: had never decided to enter into politics. And so I 378 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 7: think the Republican Party and reasonable independence, and frankly, people 379 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 7: who are not crazy Trump arrangement syndrome members of the 380 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 7: Democrat Party should all be aligned against the president that's 381 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 7: being set here, because this is what banana republics do 382 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 7: if it becomes the case that when you lose an election, 383 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 7: not only do you lose an election, but you potentially 384 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 7: are going to be put behind bars when you lose 385 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 7: that election. This is a fundamentally different world than we've 386 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 7: ever lived in as an American democracy before. And Trump 387 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 7: will not be the last president or former president to 388 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 7: fay charges like these. 389 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 2: Clay, we're speaking of Clay Travis, co host of the 390 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 2: show Everybody for joining us in progress here. Clay, do 391 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 2: you think that the fact that this is going to 392 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 2: be in Miami, that it's going to be a Miami 393 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 2: jury pool is a big factor in this? Like, how 394 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 2: do you assess that component? Because I think that was 395 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 2: a little bit of a surprise everyone was expecting DC initially. 396 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 7: Yeah, well, this is where again I would give credit 397 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 7: to our callers. You know, when we had Andy McCarthy 398 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 7: on last week, people may remember I specifically asked Andy 399 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 7: because the caller had been asking the question, why was 400 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 7: this proceeding given that it's obstruction charges and related to 401 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 7: classified documents that all seems to have originated from inside 402 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 7: of mar A Lago in Palm Beach in Florida. Why 403 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 7: was this taking place in Washington, d C? Or at 404 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 7: least the discussion surrounding where the charges would be taking 405 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 7: place all centered on Washington, d C. I think from 406 00:22:55,680 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 7: a procedural posture perspective, You know, warriors talk all the 407 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 7: time about the importance of forum and I think as 408 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 7: forums go, the charges being brought in Miami is about 409 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 7: as good of a jurisdiction as Donald Trump could hope for. 410 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 7: And I know we have a monster listenership in South Florida, 411 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 7: both podcasts and radio. Who are listening to us right now? 412 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 7: I think there are lots of people listening to us, 413 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 7: Buck who could be in that jury pool. Heck, you 414 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 7: could be in that jury pool. If I'm not mistaken, 415 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 7: your wife could be in that jury pool. 416 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 2: I haven't thought about that until now, but that would 417 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 2: be quite a situation. 418 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 7: Yeah. Look, I mean you would get excluded because I 419 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 7: don't think they would allow you to serve on the jury. 420 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 7: But I think there are a lot of people who 421 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 7: are listening to us right now that have the exact 422 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 7: same political persuasions and thoughts as both you and I 423 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 7: do about this case. Block. I think there's a really 424 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 7: good chance if there are twelve jurors seated in Miami, 425 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 7: I don't think it's crazy to think that at least 426 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 7: one of those people will, no matter what, refuse to 427 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 7: convict Donald Trump of anything because he or she sees 428 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 7: this as what it is, a political persecution. And you know, 429 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 7: the goal would be to get those people knocked off 430 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 7: of the jury. But let's imagine that. You know, you're 431 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 7: a first generation recent arrival from Cuba or Venezuela, and 432 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 7: you have seen what happens in socialism run amuck, and 433 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 7: you have seen what countries can descend to when politics 434 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 7: moves into the courtroom and you try to put political 435 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 7: rivals in jail. You came to this country to try 436 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 7: to avoid living in a place where that could happen. 437 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 7: If I'm a recent arrival from Venezuela or a recent 438 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 7: arrival from Cuba or so many countries right all over 439 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 7: the world. I don't want to convict Donald Trump because 440 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 7: I don't want my country that I now have moved 441 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 7: to and that I love to end up this way. 442 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 7: And that says nothing of all of the You know, 443 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 7: people who've been in the United States for generations and 444 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 7: feel that way. But you know, well, as someone who 445 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 7: lives in Miami now, you are surrounded by people from 446 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 7: Latin America who have come to America for freedom and 447 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 7: are huge Trump supporters for that reason, because they believe 448 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 7: in American excellence and American exceptionalism. I think it's going 449 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 7: to be really hard. This is just my perspective. We 450 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 7: don't know the full scope of the charges, and we 451 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 7: don't know all the details yet, so we're obviously talking 452 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 7: in that scale, but I think we have a pretty 453 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 7: good sense of what they are. I think it's going 454 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 7: to be really hard to get a conviction in Miami. 455 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 7: I generally do. And again, this comes back by the 456 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 7: question that I've kind of been hammering on for a 457 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 7: long time. It's timing. You know, we've said on this 458 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 7: show we thought charges were going to come down in 459 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 7: June or July. Off air. The reason why I'm sitting 460 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 7: talking to you right now is because we've been saying, hey, 461 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 7: I'm going to be out Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. This you 462 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 7: know trip has been scheduled for a long time. But 463 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 7: I said, hey, it wouldn't shock me at all if 464 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 7: these charges came down on Friday. And instead they came 465 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 7: down you know, we became aware of them on Thursday evening. 466 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 7: But I think this is going to be, depending on 467 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 7: the timing, a really hard case to get a conviction on, 468 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 7: presuming that the jury pool is as I would anticipate, 469 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 7: as varied in political persuasion. This is not going in 470 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 7: front of the Washington DC kangaroo court that'll stamp anything 471 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 7: because it's ninety five percent Democrat, but you know, you 472 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 7: live there. I would think this is basically a fifty 473 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 7: to fifty America. Now, it's not Donald Trump getting charged 474 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 7: in you know, rural Alabama or rural Utah right where 475 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 7: there's like zero percent chancey be convicted of anything. But 476 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 7: it is kind of a jury that would be at 477 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 7: least somewhat representative of the larger American electorate, which is 478 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 7: very evenly divided on the question of who should be 479 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 7: ruling and running our country today. 480 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 2: Speaking of Clay Travis, co host of this program, Clay, 481 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 2: the politics of this, I don't know how it's possible 482 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 2: that anyone can even make a case that there's not 483 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 2: a It feels like the twenty twenty four election is 484 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 2: tainted in some way before it even really gets fully underway. 485 00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: What do you make of all of it? 486 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 7: Well, this makes January sixth seem like jaywalking right, right, 487 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 7: And this makes Russia collusion seem like I don't know, 488 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 7: maybe driving five miles over the speed Lindon on the 489 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 7: interstate and getting pulled over for violating the speed limit. 490 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 7: This is the most egregious, influential, consequential, indefensible act to 491 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 7: determine the outcome of an election that has ever occurred 492 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 7: in any of our lives. And so to me, like 493 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 7: for this is why I started off, and you asked 494 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 7: me a question. The ultimate message that Joe Biden ran 495 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 7: on was I'll restore normalcy to America. And the most 496 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 7: impactful thing that he has done in terms of democracy 497 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 7: now is exceed the parameters of precedent that to a 498 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 7: degree that we've never seen in two hundred and fifty 499 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 7: years in trying to have his Department of Justice put 500 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 7: Trump in jail, in prison instead of being able to 501 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 7: run against him for president of the United States. Who 502 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 7: truly never seen this. And so from a political perspective, 503 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 7: if here's where I'd say, you have to I always 504 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 7: try to, and you know this, and we talk about this, 505 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 7: try to strip away super emotion because it's very easy 506 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,360 Speaker 7: to allow emotion to rule your analysis. And I always think, 507 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 7: and this is me being a lawyer, it's important to 508 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 7: take a step back and just kind of logically work 509 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 7: through the case and the facts and the details, and 510 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 7: not try to get the emotion leading but tabnological lead. 511 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 7: What Democrats are trying to do here, in addition to 512 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 7: put Donald Trump in prison, is they want Trump to 513 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 7: be the nominee. I really do believe this is the 514 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 7: political calculus. I believe they think that charging Trump with 515 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 7: all of these crimes simultaneously elevates him in the Republican 516 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 7: primary race by making him even more of a favorite, 517 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 7: making him more likely to be the nominee, while simultaneously 518 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 7: destroying him with independence and the people who are persuadable, 519 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 7: who make the decision basically about who wins our election. Now, 520 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 7: that calculus could be wrong, right, because in twenty sixteen, 521 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 7: Democrats were ecstatic that they were getting Trump against Hillary. 522 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 7: But Democrats in twenty twenty picked Biden specifically to run 523 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 7: against Trump. And I believe Democrats believe that if Joe 524 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 7: Biden is a nominee in twenty twenty four and we 525 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 7: get a rematch, that they will beat Trump again. And 526 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 7: they feel more confident in beating Trump than they do 527 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 7: any other Republican. So to me, if I'm looking at 528 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 7: this from the Democrat perspective, leaving aside the trampling all 529 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 7: over the ideals of American democracy and the awful president 530 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 7: that they're setting, from the raw political calculus, let's figure 531 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 7: out a way to win perspective, they believe this makes 532 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 7: Trump more likely to be the nominee they are choosing 533 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 7: their fighter. They want Trump to go against Biden, and 534 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 7: they think they will beat Trump in twenty twenty four, 535 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 7: and Biden will be a two term president and then 536 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 7: Trump will be gone too old, although they may trust 537 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 7: to track him into race again in twenty eight. They 538 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 7: think that Donald Trump is unelectable, but they want him 539 00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 7: to be the Republican nominee. 540 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 2: Let's come back in a second here with Clay Travis. 541 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 2: That's funny, it's funny. Introduce you on your own show, 542 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 2: Clay Travis co hosts. Travis said Buck sext beautiful view. 543 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 7: Here at the Smoky Mountains, perfect day for a political 544 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 7: analysis calculus. Sitting here on the porch, look, get out 545 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 7: over the mountains. 546 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: That's the way to do it. 547 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 2: We'll come back with Clay here in second and talk 548 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 2: about where this is going next. But first up, everybody, 549 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 2: with inflation on the rise and the stock market more 550 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 2: volatile than ever, protecting your retirement savings can be a 551 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 2: challenge the weather, today's economic uncertainty. 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That's phx on air dot com. 566 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 7: Clayanbuck twenty four to seven subscribe today. 567 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: All right, everybody, welcome back. 568 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 2: We've got Clay Travis of the Clay Travis n Buck 569 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,239 Speaker 2: Sexted Show on the line here with us, calling in 570 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 2: from his vacation because the Republic matters more to him 571 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 2: than the massage he has scheduled for later today. Clay, 572 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,479 Speaker 2: what is their proper response? Like a lot of people 573 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 2: I think are feeling a tremendous amount of frustration and 574 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 2: deep concern over this, But you know other candidates have 575 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 2: weighed in. Asa Hutchinson No Surprise says Donald Trump should 576 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 2: drop out. Ron DeSantis says, effectively, this is weaponization, It's grotesque, 577 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 2: and you know we can't stand for it. 578 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: What should be the response. 579 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 7: I think it's a relatively easy answer, and this is 580 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 7: the one that that I floaded on the shows. People 581 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 7: have heard it before. I think every single Republican candidate 582 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 7: has to pledge that in the event they are the nominee, 583 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 7: they will one hundred percent certainty give Donald Trump a 584 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 7: pardon on all federal charges. I don't see this as 585 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 7: remotely difficult question. I think the precedent that is being 586 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,479 Speaker 7: set if you are someone who truly loves America and 587 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 7: respects the electoral process, we cannot allow this to become 588 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 7: the standard issue of the day. So I think I 589 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 7: think Vivic Ramaswami, if I'm not mistaken, Buck has come 590 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 7: out publicly and said, hey, I would pardon Trump. You 591 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 7: may have in front of you, because I've been hiking 592 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 7: in the Smoky Mountains, I haven't seen. 593 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, he pledged last night to pardon Trump. 594 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 7: Yes, I think he's the only one, if I'm not mistaken, 595 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 7: who has come out and said one hundred percent he 596 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 7: will do that. I think that's one hundred percent the 597 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 7: right call. And I look, I understand like you and 598 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 7: I would get more votes than Asa Hutchinson and I 599 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 7: don't really pay a lot of attention to him. So 600 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 7: I would say, if you are Tim Scott, if you 601 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 7: are Nicky Haley, if you are Ron DeSantis to me, Now, again, 602 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 7: there are complicating factors here. I understand also saying hey, 603 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 7: I want to review what the charges are, but I 604 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 7: don't even really think it matters what the charges are 605 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 7: to be fair again, because we're not talking about some 606 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 7: you know, Trump's not accused of murder, right. I mean, 607 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 7: I think that if there were a criminal act of 608 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 7: that magnitude, right, that had occurred, that's something different than 609 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,719 Speaker 7: what is here pretty clearly a political prosecution and a 610 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 7: political persecution. So I think every single candidate should come 611 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,719 Speaker 7: out and pledge to pardon Donald Trump of all federal 612 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 7: charges the moment the first day that they enter into 613 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 7: the White House. And by the way, I would extend 614 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 7: that to the vast majority. There may be some small 615 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 7: number of exceptions of January sixth defendants, people who directly 616 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 7: attack police that are on video doing that. I think 617 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 7: that's a different level. But the vast, vast majority, like 618 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 7: ninety ninety five percent, maybe even the higher of all 619 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 7: Jan six defendants I believe should be pardoned by the 620 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 7: Republican president twenty twenty five as well. 621 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 2: So it's interesting, isn't it, Clay that they're going after 622 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 2: Trump on this. You mentioned the severity of the crime 623 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 2: in this case, the lack of severity. People are sitting 624 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 2: there saying, wait, hold on, So he was the president. 625 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 2: A lot of presidents take documents, presidents even mistakenly take documents. 626 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 2: But he's being prosecuted. I mean there's a lot you 627 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 2: could point to you here, Biden have this stuff at 628 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 2: his home. Find Hillary Clinton. Trump chose not to have 629 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 2: his DOJ go after Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton had over 630 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 2: one hundred classified documents on a server she set up 631 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 2: specifically to evade FOYA and the scrutiny that it would 632 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 2: bring of the Clinton Foundation. It's quite obvious, and she 633 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 2: smashed things with hammers. Even after they were subpoened, they 634 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 2: got rid of things, no charges, Komy came out. How 635 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 2: can anyone feel like the DOJ isn't rigged after this? 636 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 7: Yeah, you're one hundred percent right. I mean, we do 637 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 7: have a kangaroo court, two tier to judicial system, and 638 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 7: I think that's why, as a secondary part of you said, 639 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 7: you know, how do you respond if you're Republican presidential candidates? 640 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 7: I think not only do you pledge to pardon Trump, 641 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 7: you should pledge that your Department of Justice will zealously 642 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,800 Speaker 7: investigate what I believe is Joe Biden and his criminal 643 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 7: syndicate of a family, because that's the thing that is 644 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 7: so jarring here, Buck on the on the day that 645 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 7: we get, you know, effectively news that there have been 646 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 7: FBI whistleblower complaints that Joe Biden got paid five million 647 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 7: dollars by foreign interest. And certainly we know, and we've 648 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 7: talked about a lot on this program, the bevy of 649 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 7: felonies that are easily provable from Hunter Biden on his 650 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 7: own laptop. They're going after Trump for relatively inconsequential, procedural 651 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 7: related crimes and ignoring the smoking gun evidence of far 652 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 7: more consequential crimes on and from Joe Biden, which is 653 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 7: ultimately again why I circle back around to the idea 654 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 7: of living in a Banana republic. That's what happens. Right, 655 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,720 Speaker 7: people lose so much faith in the US the system 656 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 7: that instead of believing that people are going to well, 657 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 7: the lady justice is blind for reason, Buck, Right, when 658 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 7: you look at the scales of justice, the idea is 659 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,919 Speaker 7: you're not being influenced in one way or the other 660 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 7: by who the defendant is. Here, we have one record 661 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 7: and one rule of law for Republicans and another for Democrats. 662 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 7: And that's how republics crumble, frankly, is through lack of 663 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 7: faith in the judicial system to adequately and impartially deliver justice. 664 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 2: All right, Clay, you are under orders now to go 665 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 2: and hang out with Missus Travis and your friends there 666 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 2: and enjoy the rest of your vacation. 667 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: We'll let you get back to it, okay, sir. 668 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 7: Appreciate it, my man, and appreciate all of you out 669 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 7: there listening. We'll be back on Monday, breaking all this 670 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 7: down and more, and we'll continue to fight the good 671 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 7: fight on that. 672 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 2: Enjoy your week, and my friend, we'll see you on 673 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 2: Monday and we'll be back. We'll be back everybody here 674 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,280 Speaker 2: in just a few minutes. We'll be talking to well, 675 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 2: I'll be talking to all of you about this Biden 676 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 2: as a good guy or a bat that guy overall, 677 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 2: stay with us.