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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, it's I Do Part two. I'm one of

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Speaker 1: your celebrity mentors, Jen Pestlor, once again, joined by fellow

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Speaker 1: celebrity mentor on the Pod and Housewives along Kelly Ben Simon,

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Speaker 1: and we are here at Live in the Vineyard in Napa,

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Speaker 1: our new favorite place, love it here Beyond, and we've

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Speaker 1: got Kelly's date, Pascal from the Golden Baccelorette here with us.

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Speaker 2: Hello.

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Speaker 3: Hello, making first dates come true?

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Speaker 2: Baby.

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Speaker 1: All right, you guys, Well, now that I have you

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Speaker 1: both here, I have spoken to both of you separately,

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Speaker 1: and I want to tell you what I think of

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Speaker 1: this connection and it's actually bringing me back. So I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I've shared this with either one of you. Well, Pescal,

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Speaker 1: we just met, so probably not. And Kelly, I don't

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Speaker 1: think I have. I was once a matchmaker, you were

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Speaker 1: I in New York City. You told me this, it's

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Speaker 1: just lunch, yes, And then I ended up doing it

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Speaker 1: in New Jersey as well. It was the director there,

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Speaker 1: and we used to set up people on lunch dates.

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Speaker 1: Correct have one in Chicago started in Chicago.

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Speaker 4: Chicago and you and you and you defoned of Juice

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Speaker 4: Lynch which one Andrea and Daniel blow blownness.

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Speaker 5: Isn't there an ad in like the Delta, like the

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Speaker 5: Delta magazine?

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Speaker 3: I'm always like, that's fun.

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Speaker 1: Okay, listeners, I'm sorry, we digress. Get let's get back

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Speaker 1: to it, the Kelly and the Pescal of it all. Okay, guys, first,

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Speaker 1: did either one of you, let's be honest, watch the

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Speaker 1: other on TV before coming to NAPA. Did you do

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Speaker 1: any googling? No? No, that was easy.

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Speaker 2: All right, that was great, Pascal.

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Speaker 1: Did you get any intel on Kelly from Gary who

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Speaker 1: went on the date with her?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 6: Actually, Gary speak very very highly about Kelly. He had

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Speaker 6: a wonderful time. He was an incredible experience. He actually

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Speaker 6: had a good feeling for you.

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Speaker 2: You wish to see you more, That's what he says.

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Speaker 2: I'm the matchmaker has the only nice time to say

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Speaker 2: about you.

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Speaker 6: You had a wonderful, wonderful experience, and you were a

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Speaker 6: great host. And I think you still text messaging with

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Speaker 6: your shadow time to time.

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Speaker 2: I'm wi Yeah, he's so nice. Yeah, he's a great girl.

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Speaker 3: By my Instagram, he's very sweet, sweet guy.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, okay, but well Gary's not here, so now

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Speaker 1: that okay, sorry, okay, Now I'm moving.

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Speaker 2: To Kelly question.

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Speaker 3: Love Gary, But now we're moving on.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I have all these questions for you guys,

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Speaker 1: but I feel like now that I've spoken to you

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Speaker 1: each individually, I understand a little bit better about you

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Speaker 1: know what's this? Very in this very small amount of time,

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Speaker 1: I feel like we've all we're all sort of on

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Speaker 1: the same page. And here's why. I'll say what I think,

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Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna ask you both what you think.

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Speaker 1: It seems to me that you guys met, you both

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Speaker 1: had very similar things to say. Both of you felt

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Speaker 1: like the other was attractive, very attractive. As a matter

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Speaker 1: of fact, you both were very complimentary of each other

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Speaker 1: in terms of your physicality. No surprise there. You both

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Speaker 1: happened to be gorgeous, okay, and you both have had

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Speaker 1: only lovely things to say about the other. You know

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Speaker 1: that that incredible person, so nice, all of the most

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Speaker 1: fabulous adjectives. Kelly said first that she didn't get from

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Speaker 1: you the feeling that you were so interested committed to

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Speaker 1: the date you got up and left. You guys were

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Speaker 1: of that time period, and Pascal, you said to me

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Speaker 1: that Kelly was so pretty and so charismatic, but you

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Speaker 1: could just tell that there wasn't necessarily that spark, right, Yes,

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Speaker 1: And so I feel like you guys were kind of Kelly.

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Speaker 1: Kelly did say that she would have been more open

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Speaker 1: because what she's been through in life, even though maybe

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Speaker 1: she didn't feel doesn't feel always an initial spark. She

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Speaker 1: likes to give it a little bit more of a chance.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm pretty correct me if I'm saying

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Speaker 1: anything here that's not true.

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Speaker 2: You guys are true, true, true.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you both said lovely things about each other,

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Speaker 1: but Kelly might have been a little more open because

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Speaker 1: of what she's been through and she wants to be

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Speaker 1: more open like that. Pascal. For you, it's either you

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Speaker 1: feel it or you don't. You said that you would

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Speaker 1: love to be friends with Kelly, keep it touch with

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Speaker 1: Kelly because she's an amazing person. You just didn't feel

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Speaker 2: Yes. Yes.

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Speaker 5: One thing I thought that was really interesting is when

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Speaker 5: you were sitting in the printer van and we were

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Speaker 5: all talking about you and being on the Golden Bachelorette,

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Speaker 5: and what you said about the like unraveling of the

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Speaker 5: relationship between you and you're and the bachelorette that you

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Speaker 5: instead of just like going into the fantasy in suites

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Speaker 5: and having this moment that you wanted to like talk

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Speaker 5: And I thought, I really like that just was like

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Speaker 5: very I thought that was amazing.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was really amazing. Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 6: But I want I want to say one tent because

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Speaker 6: I thank you. You know I was sitting with you.

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Speaker 6: I want you to understand that I'm a very hyper

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Speaker 6: kind of guy. I can't I can't sit still for

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Speaker 6: a long period of time. I need to move.

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Speaker 2: No, you're so nice to get me if you want

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Speaker 2: because I.

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Speaker 6: Needed to move, If you want someone because I needed

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Speaker 6: to move, I cannot see it.

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Speaker 2: It's very hard for me to see.

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Speaker 6: So right, I don't think that was trying to have

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Speaker 2: I'm enjoying the conversation.

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Speaker 6: She's trying to she's move my ears. I'm even sitting

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Speaker 6: here away night. It's kind of hard for me alect you.

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 2: This is what I have a question.

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Speaker 3: What's signing virgo Virgo?

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Speaker 2: I'm a Taurus.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that means men.

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Speaker 3: For high my name is gentleman le.

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Speaker 5: I don't I don't actually know. I I know about

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Speaker 5: like friendship relationships. I don't know about for male male

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Speaker 5: and female relationships.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I'm thinking right now. I think that we

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Speaker 1: are so evolved. I feel like this is the perfect

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Speaker 1: I wish for our listeners to have this type of

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Speaker 1: attitude and specifically what I'm commenting on Pescal You've been

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Speaker 1: nothing but lovely, but you didn't feel the spark, and Kelly,

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Speaker 1: You're like you're You're like, listen, you were so nice,

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Speaker 1: you are lovely. This is the idea, guys, I think again,

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Speaker 1: who am I idea? What I'm talking about?

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Speaker 3: But you're a matchmaker.

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Speaker 1: I was a matchmaker.

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Speaker 3: Yes, no, no, was a matchmaker, always a matchmaker.

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Speaker 1: I feel like this is how dating should be approached, right,

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Speaker 1: like respectful kind and also like not it's not the

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Speaker 1: end of the world, like Kelly. A million guys are

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Speaker 1: gonna line up for Kelly, Ben Simone. We know this, right,

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Speaker 1: She's not just because she's beautiful, because Piscal's you said.

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Speaker 1: Not everything is about beautiful, right, It's about Kelly being

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Speaker 1: Kelly and the experience it comes with that Pascal. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: I don't think either one of you are going to

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Speaker 1: have a hard time finding a date. But what a

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Speaker 1: great opportunity to sit down in this way, get to

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Speaker 1: know each other, you know, share some things about each other,

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Speaker 1: become friends. Who knows. I hope that you'll keep in touch.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you're going to meet someone or Kelly, because you

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Speaker 1: said that happens to you a lot where you're like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, he's not for me, but he might

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Speaker 1: be for my friend, Pascal, I don't know. One of

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Speaker 1: your friends might say, you know what I'm looking for.

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Speaker 1: I'm just looking for this woman with honey tawny honey,

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Speaker 1: blonde hair, kind of tall and tan, model who also

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Speaker 1: speaks French. That's my team. And you'll say, yes, he's

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Speaker 1: and you'll know that. But like, what a lovely thing

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Speaker 1: to have now been able to like have this experience

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Speaker 1: and be friends. I'm looking down here at all the

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Speaker 1: questions that I had. I mean, you guys ask each

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Speaker 1: other things. Is there anything that you want to know

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Speaker 1: from this experience, anything that you're wondering or you know,

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Speaker 1: do you just.

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Speaker 3: Want to I want to ask?

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Speaker 5: So you know, there's just so many ways to like

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Speaker 5: meet people, and how did you feel when you were

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Speaker 5: when you met me over zoom? How did how did

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Speaker 5: how did you feel? Did you like like being able

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Speaker 5: to like see me and talk to me? I mean

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Speaker 2: Definitely? I think to me, it's very important to see

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Speaker 6: You know the problem of those dating website where it's

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Speaker 6: texting after texting, after texting after texting, and sometimes you

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Speaker 6: the moment. Okay, So I like to see the person.

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Speaker 6: And I think it was a pleasure to see you.

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Speaker 6: And you are a very attractive looking woman.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it was the pleasure seeing you talking to you.

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Speaker 2: We asked a pole question.

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Speaker 6: I was I was like a little bit of like

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Speaker 6: a confused about your choice. Okay, like when you said, well,

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Speaker 6: which you take me on the first date?

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Speaker 2: And you said, when you take this guy?

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Speaker 1: You don't know?

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 1: She said? When I spoke to before you came in,

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Speaker 1: she said, I hate that one answer that I gave

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Speaker 6: I think that was actually actually let me let me

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Speaker 6: we're gonna have a burger and beer and you're gonna

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Speaker 3: No, no, not my sure, my Playboy.

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Speaker 2: I was kind of a little bit, honestly.

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Speaker 6: I was a little bit tun off for me, okay,

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Speaker 6: because I think to me, I would have preferred and

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Speaker 6: I said that to you, I would prefer take you

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Speaker 2: Is a beautiful show on beautiful.

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Speaker 6: Well, we could have a nice conversation with that, to

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Speaker 6: old guy would pick up some prostitute at the bars.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I was, I was just I was.

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Speaker 5: I said that I felt I was being a total

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Speaker 5: I went there so many times, my parents and I

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Speaker 5: I was just trying to like push a little because

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Speaker 5: Not the kind of person that ever says that. And

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Speaker 2: To be honest with you, there was no need that protagy.

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Speaker 5: And so that was just it was, I was just,

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Speaker 6: of Playboy. It's an accomplishment. I think that sometime we

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Speaker 1: By the way, Kelly, there are men as you know,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of gross. No, I just know him.

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Speaker 4: Don't don't And so like that's what happened.

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Speaker 5: We Pascal, I mean for all to the purpose is

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Speaker 5: You know what, let me let me tell you what

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Speaker 2: Actually you said that, Okay.

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Speaker 6: When I was in the last day with John and

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Speaker 3: It was a compliment from me and from her. I

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Speaker 6: I totally and as you as you feel like you

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Speaker 6: You know, I was you know, actually today I was

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Speaker 6: On my day so so so I'm gonna and you

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Speaker 3: You Why do you frenchmen? Why are Frenchmen called frogs?

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Speaker 6: Okay, here was the monaster Okay, had a period of

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Speaker 2: The water, so they considered as a fish. Okay.

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Speaker 6: So they were eating frog legs and the British thought

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Speaker 6: Actually calling a Frenchman a frog is an assault, Okay,

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Speaker 6: So in the fifteenth century the British called as soul

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: I never heard of any of this. I only know

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Speaker 6: Actually, we should call us, we should call a snail,

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Speaker 1: some insight. We're all gonna ends up friends, nobody. This

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Speaker 1: is how it should be. This is dating.

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Speaker 2: I do part two.

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Speaker 1: This is how the part two should go in my

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Speaker 1: humble opinion, maybe because I'm facilitating it.

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Speaker 3: On that note, you're dating, Yeah, yeah, we have to.

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Speaker 2: We have to. We have to. We have to work

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Speaker 2: on that.

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Speaker 1: Well, we are going to work on I actually am.

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Speaker 1: My head is always spinning. I like to fix people up.

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Speaker 1: So I've got some ideas. That's for next episode. I

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Speaker 1: love you both, well.

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Speaker 6: You.

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Speaker 1: See you next time. I do part two. In my

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