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Speaker 2: From the Chris Westling podcast studio, It's Around the NFL.
Speaker 3: It is the Week nine preview.
Speaker 1: And Draft.
Speaker 2: Dan hands us Here Heroes, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler, this
Speaker 2: is it, Mark, this is the end of the season.
Speaker 1: Psych.
Speaker 2: It's not even halfway, but we're getting closer to halfway.
Speaker 4: It is close to halfway, which would suggest that, you know,
Speaker 4: would be broken up by a lengthy intermission or halftime,
Speaker 4: like a rest.
Speaker 3: But it's not gonna be.
Speaker 4: It's gonna it just keeps barreling, barreling on, and it
Speaker 4: almost so excited that it does.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: It almost feels like it's starting this week. It's like
Speaker 5: we got we got the first well.
Speaker 3: It's almost thanksgivings the right, we got the first coach firing.
Speaker 5: We got the first like week of games where it's like, ooh,
Speaker 5: this is like a big, juicy, meaningful week of games
Speaker 5: where there's some weight to it.
Speaker 2: Well, I think I think the true sign of a
Speaker 2: season getting up there in mileage is when you start
Speaker 2: seeing games where both teams are just like bye bye yeah,
Speaker 2: And when we get to the playout the string games
Speaker 2: late in the season, but you know, if we keep
Speaker 2: adding playoff teams, that will never happen either. We have
Speaker 2: a lot to get to today because we're going to
Speaker 2: ahead of our draft preview the Germany game, which is
Speaker 2: a quirker. We got some primetime games to hit that
Speaker 2: we usually hit in the middle of the week, but
Speaker 2: the schedule is a little funky because of the trade
Speaker 2: deadline B minus. But first, let's start with the firing.
Speaker 2: This went down poorly time for us, during a dark periods.
Speaker 2: We got pants big time Mark Davis, after we kind
Speaker 2: of flash point focused it a little bit. Not an
Speaker 2: official episode, no, I don't want to take credit for it,
Speaker 2: but almost like a workshop of what we where we
Speaker 2: were can write with that once again, it shows that
Speaker 2: ability to have a vision over visibility, that the Raiders
Speaker 2: stew was toxic and something big was happening. And then
Speaker 2: twenty four hours later, Mark Davis, the owner of the Raiders,
Speaker 2: decides I'm done. I'm getting out on the Josh McDaniels era.
Speaker 2: I'm getting out on the Ziggler era. So he fires
Speaker 2: the head coach and the general manager. He told ESPN
Speaker 2: on Wednesday. Unfortunately, I had great hopes for Josh and Dave.
Speaker 2: It just seemed we were going in the wrong direction.
Speaker 2: So with the trade deadline, I just felt like it
Speaker 2: was time to make a change, time to make a move.
Speaker 2: I don't know, there's something about it's like talking about
Speaker 2: your college.
Speaker 1: Buddies at the dorm.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I had great hopes for Josh and Dave just
Speaker 2: couldn't make it. Josh and Dave didn't make it. So
Speaker 2: there we are. They're starting over, and how much are
Speaker 2: they starting over? Rap Sheet then reported later in the
Speaker 2: day that Jimmy g he also he's going to the
Speaker 2: bench after just a pathetic Monday showing. And now it
Speaker 2: is Aidan O'Connell's team probably for the rest of the year.
Speaker 2: Greg a total implosion like the old casinos in Vegas.
Speaker 5: I've been fascinated with some of the day after reporting.
Speaker 5: Vic Taefer, who we've talked about the Athletic had some
Speaker 5: really good stuff where Mark Davis just thought, where is
Speaker 5: this empty confidence coming from with Josh McDaniels and Ziegler,
Speaker 5: And at a certain point he realized, oh, these guys.
Speaker 3: Actually don't know what they're talking about.
Speaker 5: And it is sad that the Belichick coaching trees had
Speaker 5: some tough moments.
Speaker 3: I mean, they had the Coach of.
Speaker 5: The Year a year ago, Brian Dable, if you want
Speaker 5: to call that, he was there for ten years.
Speaker 3: But uh, Josh.
Speaker 5: McDaniels going down it well, going out sad with that. Ultimately,
Speaker 5: him starting Brian Hoyer in a game against Tyson Bagen's
Speaker 5: Bears is what God Josh McDaniels fired because he was
Speaker 5: living in his fears. He didn't start O'Connell, which Mark
Speaker 5: Davis clearly wanted him to do. He thought it would
Speaker 5: be the safer move, and you lost by three scorers
Speaker 5: to Tyson Pagent and that is sort of the way
Speaker 5: you get fired. And that it's like this is gonna
Speaker 5: be his last chance to ever be a coach. That
Speaker 5: that's just a it's a sad way to go out.
Speaker 5: The whole the whole run was sad.
Speaker 4: I think the thing about Josh McDaniels, you know, being
Speaker 4: at multiple Patriots Super Bowls, where you'd be at those
Speaker 4: media days and there were a lot of these q
Speaker 4: and as with Josh McDaniels where he talked about coming
Speaker 4: out of the Broncos Apocalypse, which was one of the
Speaker 4: most disastrous coaching runs we've ever seen that he had grown,
Speaker 4: that he had changed, that he saw through new eyes,
Speaker 4: and I feel like this Raiders run, which also included
Speaker 4: him losing to Jeff's Saturday in a disaster, I mean,
Speaker 4: talk about a fireable offense, but it was just too
Speaker 4: early in the fact that you know, Mark Davis has
Speaker 4: to pay him for another five years. It's no new ideas,
Speaker 4: old faces from his past, guys like Brian Hoyer who
Speaker 4: had no reason to be on the field, and an
Speaker 4: offense that couldn't get out of its own way and
Speaker 4: in front office that like we're gonna move on from
Speaker 4: Derek Carr, We're gonna bring in Jimmy g I think
Speaker 4: Derek Card a little bit to do with Mark Davis
Speaker 4: as well, obviously, but it's like, what was the vision?
Speaker 3: What was the plan?
Speaker 4: And you know, I thought the one drum beat of
Speaker 4: critiquing the Raiders is that they're proud fan base, and
Speaker 4: I like, like Raiders fans in general, the concept of
Speaker 4: them like come at you'd be like you're you're, you're.
Speaker 4: You can't talk like negatively about our team. You don't
Speaker 4: see what we see. It's like we saw all along
Speaker 4: with the owners scene is like what you called a regression,
Speaker 4: and it they regress. They were regressing before our eyes
Speaker 4: into something unable.
Speaker 3: In fairness to fans, it's not all of them weren't
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: In fact, a couple of weeks ago you might remember
Speaker 2: a fan screaming at Mark Davis from the from the
Speaker 2: seat fire Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of Raiders fans that are.
Speaker 2: Getting pulling out their hair about how poorly the team
Speaker 2: has been run, and that goes right down to the
Speaker 2: way this played out. It's crazy to me that a
Speaker 2: team that obviously now is saying we are starting over,
Speaker 2: they have highly tradable assets like Devontae Adams, Josh Jacobs,
Speaker 2: even Jimmy g for a team that might be looking
Speaker 2: to add a veteran quarterback who's had success in the league.
Speaker 2: And when team this is a report out there. When
Speaker 2: teams were calling on Tuesday, it was ghost. There was
Speaker 2: no interaction because the owner was busy firing everyone. And
Speaker 2: I understand you don't want maybe the GM that you're
Speaker 2: firing to be making trades like this, but somebody's got
Speaker 2: to have pick up the dial and potentially move a
Speaker 2: guy like Adams or this or that, and obviously they
Speaker 2: didn't want to, but again it shows Greg one thing
Speaker 2: that the frustration from me from Afar is like this
Speaker 2: team does need to go all in on a rebuild
Speaker 2: and do it the right way, and passing up on
Speaker 2: a chance to pick up first round picks potentially at
Speaker 2: the trade deadline shows again there's just just like they're
Speaker 2: kind of in between.
Speaker 1: It's a half measured type team all the way around.
Speaker 5: Well, that's more on the ownership and the timing of
Speaker 5: all of this and not making them do that. You're
Speaker 5: absolutely right, but you look at the moves that McDaniels made.
Speaker 5: Bill Barnow pointed this out, and I thought it was
Speaker 5: well well put. Chandler Jones, Derek car Darren Waller, Hunter Renfro,
Speaker 5: all of those guys got either big contract extensions or
Speaker 5: in Chandler Jones's case, a big new contract. None of
Speaker 5: them lasted there, so they changed their mind with like
Speaker 5: a year. Renfro actually is there. It just seems like
Speaker 5: he's not there. The DeVante Adams move is the only
Speaker 5: one that you know, I don't think it was a
Speaker 5: disaster for them, but they also traded their first written
Speaker 5: second round picks and they got nothing out of their
Speaker 5: rookies last year, so at least the Raiders fans are
Speaker 5: gonna love them up some. Antonio Pierce, he is very
Speaker 5: different than their last interim coach, Rich Pasacci, but he's
Speaker 5: got such an interim coach vibe that everyone's gonna love
Speaker 5: saying he grew up, you know in Compton where in
Speaker 5: the NWA hats like repping the Raiders.
Speaker 3: He's Raider for life.
Speaker 5: And just like the listening to him talk, I feel like,
Speaker 5: who knows, but I feel like he's gonna have some
Speaker 5: fun Joe Vitt or Dan Campbell interim head coach energy
Speaker 5: with just like lots of ups and downs where he's
Speaker 5: making speeches and they fire the OC as well.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Mick Lombardi, so they on Mike Lambart. The
Speaker 2: whole thing is and we've seen this happen. I mean
Speaker 2: the Colts did it last year and then brought in
Speaker 2: the TV analyst former Center, so it's like, yeah, you
Speaker 2: can make it through a season, but this could get
Speaker 2: very well.
Speaker 5: At least these guys are you know, the guys who
Speaker 5: are taking over were coaches, right.
Speaker 4: I think Antonio, I'm the st Antonio appears is intriguing
Speaker 4: it's not a Jeff Saturday situation in level. It's like
Speaker 4: these are the coaches that have been Raiders coaches under
Speaker 4: Mark Davis, Hugh Jackson, Dennis Allen, Jack del Rio, the
Speaker 4: John Gruden thing, and Josh McDaniels. It's like, I guess
Speaker 4: if you're a Raiders fan, this team that's quietly been
Speaker 4: in the darkness, like in a way that like it
Speaker 4: doesn't match up with the way they self promote themselves
Speaker 4: as an organization historically, Like do you trust this ownership
Speaker 4: group or the owner to go find the next head
Speaker 4: coach that you could that that shows some vision. I
Speaker 4: just I really I think that's the heart of the issue,
Speaker 4: is like Mark Davis becoming fascinated with the incorrect people.
Speaker 5: Yeasacia, it was literally their best stretch of football since
Speaker 5: Mark Davis took over.
Speaker 2: It's not an exaggeration, and you know it's now it's
Speaker 2: ancient history. And Gruden, I mean he got himself run
Speaker 2: out of the league, but or run out of the
Speaker 2: head coaching world, like they were a functional team on
Speaker 2: a better track when he was tracking. He's there and
Speaker 2: then once he gets himself run it leads to Basacia.
Speaker 3: But it kind of like they gave him a ten
Speaker 3: year contract.
Speaker 2: The idea was that Gruden was going to be the
Speaker 2: guy that oversaw this whole thing, so they're still kind of.
Speaker 5: Recovery McDaniels and John Gruden for the next few years.
Speaker 2: And someone explained to me why four more years from
Speaker 2: NFL players, star players, average players, guys.
Speaker 1: That are hanging on.
Speaker 2: They essentially are paycheck to paycheck for the most point
Speaker 2: for the most part or year to year, and Jim
Speaker 2: tom Suwell for the Niners gets paid six years or whatever,
Speaker 2: or Josh McDaniels is going to get why all this, Garrett,
Speaker 2: Why do these guys get these insane fully guaranteed deal
Speaker 2: and the players don't.
Speaker 5: You don't want to ask too many questions like why
Speaker 5: does the NFL have an anti trust exemption? Like all
Speaker 5: of this has worked to making the league a powerful place.
Speaker 2: That feels like a lot for potentially, Dan, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: gonna send it back your way because everyone's waiting for
Speaker 2: your next one.
Speaker 3: I'm going to work on that.
Speaker 5: NFL players have less power than than any other players
Speaker 5: in any sport. And unfortunately, that's one of the reasons
Speaker 5: I think the NFL is because you know, it's like
Speaker 5: it's it's unfortunately, I think who.
Speaker 4: No matter what or how he performs, will be getting
Speaker 4: a lot of guaranteed money for a long time.
Speaker 3: Good tease.
Speaker 4: Well, certain quarterback that that was a quick contract outlier
Speaker 4: that didn't create a trend. Got it to your point,
Speaker 4: there's like what the other sports, the players are.
Speaker 3: Fine, here's it. Here's the other side of it.
Speaker 2: Because this is funny because I have some you know,
Speaker 2: Laker fan buddies. The Lakers had decided that Lebron would
Speaker 2: be on a minute's clock account this season because he's
Speaker 2: thirty nine years old. And they played one game game
Speaker 2: to the season opener, and he played twenty nine minutes
Speaker 2: and they lost and faded in the fourth quarter, and
Speaker 2: Lebron's like, now, we're not doing that anymore. And Lebron's
Speaker 2: also the GM of the Lakers. The fact though, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so yes, there is there's two sides of it.
Speaker 1: That's the NBA.
Speaker 3: That's a fun side. At least he's, oh he's out there.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say these are these are the opposite sides.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, yeah, let's speak careful what you're requesting on.
Speaker 3: Some level, right, Okay, let's see.
Speaker 4: Football is completely different than basketball.
Speaker 2: I just thought it was funny, Like there's a it's
Speaker 2: an eighty two game season in the NBA, right, and
Speaker 2: they had this plan that the.
Speaker 3: Whole summer was about talking about it.
Speaker 2: He plays one game and he's like, no, we ain't
Speaker 2: doing a coach he's also the head coach Lebron by
Speaker 2: the way, de facto. All right, too powerful, Let's get
Speaker 2: to the Frankfort game.
Speaker 1: Anybody ever been to Germany?
Speaker 4: By the way, you know that I've been to Germany.
Speaker 4: I've told you that about a thousand times.
Speaker 3: All right, ayredible, you did the trip? Did you go
Speaker 3: to Frankfort.
Speaker 4: We did not go to Frankfurt, but you know all
Speaker 4: sorts of little towns throughout Germany.
Speaker 5: Uh. In regard with an X store, you can check
Speaker 5: it out on NFL dot com somewhere maybe, yeah, you
Speaker 5: could find it.
Speaker 2: You became best friends with Mark ingram. I recall, these
Speaker 2: were all temporary friendships. I mean, I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: I'm not there. I don't wish them all well, but
Speaker 2: over vice versa.
Speaker 4: But it's like there was a text s thread that
Speaker 4: about four weeks after the trip, they were like Mark
Speaker 4: Ingham was like all right, guys, this text threads over now.
Speaker 3: Oh he ended it kind of and it makes sense.
Speaker 4: It was like, we're not still this isn't we're not
Speaker 4: asking what the airport and stuff.
Speaker 5: I love a frank person, you know, he's just bringing
Speaker 5: the reality to the situation.
Speaker 2: He was, Well, it's funny because he could have just
Speaker 2: ghosted it right right.
Speaker 1: He went out of the way to be like this
Speaker 1: is over.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I look back and wonder if maybe one or two
Speaker 4: of my text triggered that disinvit you were you just
Speaker 4: trying to keep them burning after that.
Speaker 3: So no, I don't think it's like pictures. You remember
Speaker 3: the time we were guys at the bar rat wurs
Speaker 3: and bruise.
Speaker 2: Remember I don't do that at the bench chopping it
Speaker 2: up about the old ball game.
Speaker 3: Mark, what is c it's over socially dumb.
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about it because it's a banger.
Speaker 2: It could be the game of the year. It has
Speaker 2: that type of potential. It's time for the first game
Speaker 2: presented by Draft Kings, and it is the Miami Dolphins
Speaker 2: against the Kansas City Chiefs in Germany.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, over under.
Speaker 2: Fifty and a half thiefs Chiefs laying one point of
Speaker 2: wood here. That surprised me right off the bat. And
Speaker 2: it's a lot of respect for Patrick.
Speaker 5: Mahomes, but that the Chiefs are favorite a little bit,
Speaker 5: how about it. I thought it was surprised that they
Speaker 5: were only by one.
Speaker 2: Just because, like, and I know, and I had some
Speaker 2: Chiefs fans who were getting on me a little bit
Speaker 2: after the podcast last week, like, how come you're not
Speaker 2: factoring the Patrick Mahomes had the flu or whatever, and
Speaker 2: it's it's fair. I tend to not take that as
Speaker 2: seriously with these athletes because so many times we hear, oh,
Speaker 2: he had the flu and then throws her four in
Speaker 2: ato twelve yards, Like, I guess it's a different flu
Speaker 2: than I get when I'm literally dying. But Mahomes played poorly,
Speaker 2: he turned the ball over the In general, it felt
Speaker 2: like the Chiefs just were sleep walking through that game
Speaker 2: against the Broncos, and Denver, to their credit, executed and
Speaker 2: pulled off the upset. So I guess my surprise, Greg
Speaker 2: is that the Chiefs looked so mortal last week against
Speaker 2: a sub five hundred opponent and the Dolphins, Man, are
Speaker 2: you telling me the Dolphins aren't gonna light it up
Speaker 2: in Germany.
Speaker 3: I think they could well.
Speaker 5: HiT's such a different matchup. I think the Broncos defense
Speaker 5: has played the Chiefs tough twice in three weeks. Like
Speaker 5: we saw it before, we saw it on Thursday Night Football.
Speaker 5: Dolphins defense has been getting better, certainly since Jalen Phillips returned,
Speaker 5: but I don't think of them as a difference making defense.
Speaker 5: The thing about, you know, blaming it on the flu
Speaker 5: is I've just never seen Patrick Mahomes and this is
Speaker 5: something you can see, especially in the coaches film, just
Speaker 5: not see anyone open. Because his offensive line is first
Speaker 5: in the league in past block win rate, and they
Speaker 5: dominated the Broncos up front. The Chiefs offensive line destroyed
Speaker 5: the Broncos pass rush last week.
Speaker 3: They destroyed him.
Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes is sitting back there all day, just chilling
Speaker 5: looking for someone to throw to. Does the flu like
Speaker 5: make him not throw it? I don't think so. Like
Speaker 5: they're just aren't guys open. And so it is truly
Speaker 5: shocking to me to see an offensive line this good
Speaker 5: coach by a team with Andy Reid and quarterback by
Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes, and yet you're just not finding players open.
Speaker 5: Except some weeks Mahomes kind of runs around and goes
Speaker 5: to the line of scrimmage and he creates a play
Speaker 5: on his own. But the timing of these two offenses
Speaker 5: could not be more diametrically opposed. The Dolphins have the
Speaker 5: best timing and rhythm in the entire NFL. Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 5: is hitting almost nothing at the back of his drop
Speaker 5: and letting the ball go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that line is one of the only lines
Speaker 4: in the league that has had every starter play the
Speaker 4: entire way and he has been well protected. And you know,
Speaker 4: by every metric, this Chiefs offense is the worst that
Speaker 4: we've seen in the Mahomes era, and it looks like it.
Speaker 4: And I think last year it was like there was
Speaker 4: a lot of hemming and haueing about who they could
Speaker 4: become and they worked their way out of it. And
Speaker 4: I think it's fascinating that, like this is the week
Speaker 4: that you know, and I liked that it's in Germany
Speaker 4: and that's great for our world and all of that,
Speaker 4: But we're at Tyreek Hile going to Kansas City. There'd
Speaker 4: be a little bit of extra juice here because I
Speaker 4: think this offense clearly misses like a game breaking type
Speaker 4: talent now it doesn't have to be Tyreek Hill, but
Speaker 4: they haven't replaced that what he brought to that offense
Speaker 4: on any level.
Speaker 3: And it's like they look a little Mysdivide to me
Speaker 3: in the through the.
Speaker 4: Air and now it's like you have Their defense is
Speaker 4: their strength and their passing defense has been really great.
Speaker 4: And so can you go do to the Dolphins what
Speaker 4: a couple other teams have been haven't been able to
Speaker 4: do to slow down what is an electric air attack
Speaker 4: here for.
Speaker 3: What it's word.
Speaker 5: They are fifth in offensive DVA fifth in defense. Are
Speaker 5: the only team other than the Ravens be top five both.
Speaker 5: So their offense actually like has moved the ball and
Speaker 5: had some big games, but.
Speaker 2: That has been and that's the thing that keeps their
Speaker 2: statistics from getting into a funky spot because when they
Speaker 2: do flash like they did the week before, that's gonna
Speaker 2: be gonna just be jumping teams because they have that
Speaker 2: gear sometimes. But like brought this up before, Mark, you're
Speaker 2: right about the Tyreek thing. But this is the first
Speaker 2: year Tyreek isn't around. Last year they had Juju Smith
Speaker 2: Schuster and and they he mahomes do for like five
Speaker 2: thousand yards that.
Speaker 5: Extra I don't know. Rice kind of is juju at
Speaker 5: this point. I'm not saying that that's my that's my
Speaker 5: question of everything, right.
Speaker 2: So, like the offensive line is healthy and Mahomes is healthy. Uh,
Speaker 2: and Rice has really kind of emerged as a guy
Speaker 2: that at juju. Smith Schuster like he's not an a
Speaker 2: weak guy. So it's like that's ka. Darius Tony was
Speaker 2: there last year and didn't really flash. Travis Kelcey has
Speaker 2: been quiet for about half the season, and then Travis Kelsey,
Speaker 2: so he's not quite the same guy. But I think
Speaker 2: I'm still struggling a little bit to wrap my head
Speaker 2: around why the offense has taken such a big thing.
Speaker 4: They do have the fourth most drops in the league,
Speaker 4: Like little things like that, and certain moments can matter.
Speaker 4: But that but I but then it's like do you
Speaker 4: turn around and point the finger at Mahomes Like I
Speaker 4: struggle to do that.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 5: I think it's just a lot of things being true,
Speaker 5: and maybe it's defense is having a better idea how
Speaker 5: to how to slow them down.
Speaker 1: James small sample size, right, David.
Speaker 4: Is another year of no Tyreek Hill, and You're right,
Speaker 4: defensive coordinators could learn more.
Speaker 5: Jalen Ramsey returning was a big deal for the Dolphins
Speaker 5: lost last week. It wasn't just the interception. He made
Speaker 5: a couple of nice plays in theory. He helps unlock
Speaker 5: that defense. Xavian Howard might also return this week. They've
Speaker 5: had some injuries at safety, so they're getting a little
Speaker 5: healthier on defense and that that has to feel good.
Speaker 5: And then you flip around and I just wonder Spagnolo
Speaker 5: in this defense, they've been really good. This is a
Speaker 5: big time test for them. Can he scramble the main
Speaker 5: frame with Tua? Because two is playing very well, but
Speaker 5: about once a game he almost predetermines what he's gonna do,
Speaker 5: and he has so much confidence and in the system
Speaker 5: and the timing that he doesn't consider that it might
Speaker 5: not work, and he just throws to a spot. And
Speaker 5: it's like, can Spagnolo get his cornerbacks and his safety
Speaker 5: to that spot? Because Tua's had a lot of interceptions
Speaker 5: this year?
Speaker 3: Is it nine?
Speaker 5: Is it nine turnover worthy plays? Whatever it is, it's
Speaker 5: way more than his pace was a year ago. He's
Speaker 5: almost matched it, but he's also been better. I think
Speaker 5: overall he's been very good. But this Chiefs defense, to me,
Speaker 5: can make big plays. Can they disrupt that timing and
Speaker 5: just make a couple big plays from the cornerback position
Speaker 5: and get some turnovers.
Speaker 4: I do wonder about like the Dolphins, like offensive line,
Speaker 4: you've got Chris Jones coming at you.
Speaker 3: They do have Toronto Armstead is practicing on Thursday.
Speaker 4: They've got like four or five guys banged up to
Speaker 4: the point where backups are banged up behind starters, and
Speaker 4: like Tua gets rid of the ball so quickly, is
Speaker 4: like zero turnover worthy plays against the Blitz. Like he's
Speaker 4: been pretty pristine when there's pressure, So you got to
Speaker 4: find another way to get to him.
Speaker 2: Will be a big test for the Dolphins. Their wins
Speaker 2: this year, Chargers, Pats, Broncos, Giants, Panthers, Patriots. Their losses
Speaker 2: forty eight to twenty to the Bills thirty one to
Speaker 2: seventeen to the Eagles, So.
Speaker 1: Two big tests so far this year. They failed them both.
Speaker 2: And you can't say that infound because in both games
Speaker 2: they were outclassed.
Speaker 1: Now you get the Chiefs and.
Speaker 3: They and those two losses.
Speaker 4: They went from being one of the best offenses obviously
Speaker 4: in the league with any way you look at it,
Speaker 4: to having a negative ep eight to put them at
Speaker 4: the twenty seventh most effective offense against the Bills and
Speaker 4: the Eagles.
Speaker 3: So there it comes, Kansas City. They're running game the
Speaker 3: last two weeks.
Speaker 5: I think defenses are trying to stop the run almost first,
Speaker 5: which seems crazy. But the last two weeks forty five
Speaker 5: yards against the Eagles, seventy two against the Patriots. So
Speaker 5: I think they're going to need to run it better
Speaker 5: this week.
Speaker 2: Like how you feel about the Cowboys, Mark if they
Speaker 2: lose thirty one to seventeen in Germany on Sunday morning. Yeah,
Speaker 2: don't come to me in January and tell me I
Speaker 2: have to take this team seriously because.
Speaker 4: You just flopped three though, because you've got a chance
Speaker 4: to change. For if there's people with creeping dout like
Speaker 4: turn turn around what we.
Speaker 1: Think, Smidge, it doubt like you don't even have to
Speaker 1: win this game.
Speaker 2: Like if it goes back and forth and it's a
Speaker 2: really competitive game, I'm cool with that.
Speaker 3: But if you know, show and get.
Speaker 2: Beat by two scores or something, it's like, Okay, no,
Speaker 2: get all your stats out, Kyrie, go get your two
Speaker 2: thousand yards to win all the awards, But like, am
Speaker 2: I gonna take you seriously? When the crucible of the
Speaker 2: playoffs arrives, I will be yes doubting them at that point.
Speaker 2: So it's an important game in a lot of ways. Uh, okay,
Speaker 2: did you have one last thing?
Speaker 5: Well, just a wild booth here looking forward to it.
Speaker 5: Rich Eyes and Jason mccordy and Dan Arlovsky. So this
Speaker 5: is a one off. It's NFL network, it's Orlofsky, who's
Speaker 5: at ESPN. We got Stacy Dale's our friend on the sideline,
Speaker 5: the Sarah Walls. I'm ready for this.
Speaker 3: It's uh.
Speaker 5: We got the time moving this weekend daylight savings, but
Speaker 5: we actually get an extra hours, so it's not quite
Speaker 5: as early here on the That's nice, but I.
Speaker 3: Mean they got five, but why not make it eight?
Speaker 3: Say atn guys just to wander around on the sidelines.
Speaker 3: They're Stacy Dales, I believe are on the sidelines. They're
Speaker 3: not there.
Speaker 1: Why not send us there? We could be the end zones.
Speaker 3: Sure, not too late. We could get there in time.
Speaker 4: All right, We've done it before for a different network. Yes,
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Speaker 1: All right, let's move to the other primetime games.
Speaker 5: Another going to say Sky Sports name, I mean, they're
Speaker 5: they're great people.
Speaker 1: You can you can say.
Speaker 4: I think everyone you know in that part of the
Speaker 4: world knows that we're on Sky Sports.
Speaker 1: So it's redundant.
Speaker 2: Bill's at Bangles Sunday night football. Now we're talking, and
Speaker 2: you know who. I'm looking for a breakout performance from
Speaker 2: Tarico Collinsworth. Still feel like that team hasn't clicked.
Speaker 3: I so appreciate that.
Speaker 4: I so appreciate you Mar said that because I feel no,
Speaker 4: because when we watch those Sunday night games and they
Speaker 4: kind of great on me a little bit, I feel
Speaker 4: like you can't say it. Everyone's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: they're perfect. It's like, all right, there, they somewhat annoyed me,
Speaker 4: and I don't.
Speaker 3: Know what was perfect. You've always been there.
Speaker 2: It's like the also, maybe football still on at nighttime.
Speaker 2: You're that factors and depending on the matchup. That could
Speaker 2: be true, but this is a this is a great one.
Speaker 2: This one's different. My point is Al Michael's end of
Speaker 2: Prime Al Michaels with Chris Chef's kiss. Wow, uh, concert
Speaker 2: I don't since I'm just gonna say, Greg, and you
Speaker 2: know I love Trico, it hasn't been a home run
Speaker 2: for me so far. I think by a wide margin,
Speaker 2: by a wide margin right now, Joe Buck and Troy
Speaker 2: Aikman are the best team. And I didn't think that
Speaker 2: necessarily a couple of years ago, but I think they
Speaker 2: have taken the mantle from Nance and Romo of the
Speaker 2: Sunday and Night team. The Thursday night team has never
Speaker 2: really I think got cooking here with herb Street and
Speaker 2: and late period Al, I think that's the crown.
Speaker 4: I know you're talking prime time of Berkhart Olsen are
Speaker 4: right there for me too.
Speaker 1: They've been disrespectful for.
Speaker 2: Me not to bring them up. They they're the number
Speaker 2: one team, uh and they are very good. But to me,
Speaker 2: it takes a lot of pressure on Tom Brady.
Speaker 3: Greg is actually it's taking the words.
Speaker 2: He doesn't even know how to react as having critical
Speaker 2: takes about the announcers.
Speaker 3: I'm just like, like, I'm staying out of this. I'm
Speaker 3: letting you cook. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't, uh since but if you're not had an opinion.
Speaker 5: I know, I kind of don't have a hot take
Speaker 5: on this. I think they're all close. I'd probably take
Speaker 5: Akman and Buck, but but I still love me some Ramo.
Speaker 1: Greg you no hot take? No Greg No.
Speaker 3: Happened a couple of weeks.
Speaker 5: I remember, I remember long enough ago where our main
Speaker 5: teams were in a it was were in a bad
Speaker 5: state that I didn't like like one out of I
Speaker 5: like like one out of four of them. Right now,
Speaker 5: TNF is the only one that's really on my raidar.
Speaker 5: I'm I'm happy with the others.
Speaker 4: It's like anti Dan Dierdorf, nor was either.
Speaker 5: The ESPN crews were crazy that Phil Sims and Nance
Speaker 5: crew was.
Speaker 1: Remember the old Sunday.
Speaker 5: Wasn't as good as he used to be. Like, they're
Speaker 5: better than that. It's all gotten better.
Speaker 2: Akman stopped caring what people thought and got a lot
Speaker 2: more real in the last couple of years, and that's
Speaker 2: what led to him, I think, taking the next step.
Speaker 2: And then he as he aged, he increases resemblance to
Speaker 2: jay Z and it was just like, okay, Sonny, you
Speaker 2: have that angle. Like the king of hip hop. You
Speaker 2: have some of that element as well. And onto Monday
Speaker 2: night football. All right, here we go Sunday Night Football.
Speaker 2: The Buffalo Bills five and three, second in the AFC
Speaker 2: East behind the Dolphins, so you know, depending on how
Speaker 2: things turn out in Germany, they might be playing to
Speaker 2: jump back into first against the Cincinnati Bengals. And it's
Speaker 2: I mean, you gotta love it Josh Allen versus Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2: And interesting here Mark, and there's a lot of angles
Speaker 2: to this game, but let's start here that after all
Speaker 2: of the concern, rightfully so, around Joe Burrow's health, he's
Speaker 2: coming off a game where he just bawled out as
Speaker 2: well as any quarterback in any game all season, and
Speaker 2: a beating of the Niners. And now to the other side,
Speaker 2: it's Josh Allen concerns and reports about that shoulder that
Speaker 2: he injured on Thursday night football against Tampa Bay. What
Speaker 2: will that affect be if.
Speaker 4: Any I Yeah, it's just this kind of thing where
Speaker 4: it's my number one note too, like he said that
Speaker 4: it's getting it's so much better. He said that if
Speaker 4: you know, if it was the old trope, if I
Speaker 4: if we had to practice today, I could, If we
Speaker 4: had a play today, I could.
Speaker 3: But it's like an.
Speaker 4: Injury derailed the better version of Josh Allen for parts
Speaker 4: of last season too, shoulder injury, and it's just like
Speaker 4: this is this is like something to monitor, like snap
Speaker 4: by snap. I think in general, I try and like
Speaker 4: to re galvanize my thoughts on the Bills because they've
Speaker 4: gone through.
Speaker 3: These these different phases.
Speaker 4: But I'm looking bad, like I think they're just a
Speaker 4: little snake bit and some of the timing of what
Speaker 4: happened to them has sort of has been a little wonky,
Speaker 4: like all right, so that they go to London and
Speaker 4: they're really like sort of a drift and seems sleepy
Speaker 4: to me, And that lost to Jacksonville. They score fourteen
Speaker 4: points in a tight win over the Giants, they get
Speaker 4: romped by New England, they barely beat the Bucks, and
Speaker 4: now you're playing the Bengals.
Speaker 3: It's so about the time of season.
Speaker 4: If you got them earlier in the year, the Bills
Speaker 4: are clearly the better team. With with Joe Burrow walking
Speaker 4: around somewhat disabled. It's like now the version of the
Speaker 4: of the Bengals that we saw last week. This is
Speaker 4: the best team in the AFC to me, And it's
Speaker 4: like that if they can do that.
Speaker 5: It's one game, I guess, I know, but it's I
Speaker 5: think we I know it's not one games.
Speaker 3: It's one game.
Speaker 4: But it's also like they were heating up into that situation.
Speaker 4: And I just feel like Burrow almost like got his
Speaker 4: training camp the last five or six weeks, and it's
Speaker 4: like they looked unstopped to me. And I think they
Speaker 4: are a team that has shown up against the Bills
Speaker 4: in the past, they've shown up against the Chiefs. The
Speaker 4: best version of them can beat anyone in this conference.
Speaker 4: And what I saw last week was like a siren song.
Speaker 4: It was concerning.
Speaker 5: I just loved that third and nine play where Burrow
Speaker 5: looks at the defense and he changes the play at
Speaker 5: the line of scrimmage to a QB draw and he
Speaker 5: just explodes up the middle for a first down. And
Speaker 5: he had a couple other scrambles and Paul Daner does
Speaker 5: a really good job covering them at the Athletic and
Speaker 5: he said Burrow all off season his main focus was
Speaker 5: adding explosive movement to his game. That he wanted to
Speaker 5: be a better runner, that he wanted to be more
Speaker 5: explosive in short areas, to be able to buy time
Speaker 5: and to be able to run. And I saw it
Speaker 5: now that he was healthy. I don't think it was
Speaker 5: the old Burrow. I think it was a slightly new Burrow.
Speaker 5: That he might have a little more juice in those
Speaker 5: legs than he used to, which makes sense. He's getting
Speaker 5: into his physical prime here. We know mentally he's there,
Speaker 5: and he's facing a Bill's defense like the Bengals defense
Speaker 5: that on balance has been a little disappointing. If you
Speaker 5: look at their advanced metrics, these two defenses are middle
Speaker 5: of the pack, and you would have expected more advantage offenses.
Speaker 5: I think in this game, I think we get points
Speaker 5: and I think it'll be fun.
Speaker 2: Cincinnati's at home here, they are favored by a point
Speaker 2: and a half and the Bills. Huh, yeah, the Bills
Speaker 2: have been a better team. You know, most teams are
Speaker 2: better at home, but their offense statistically has been much
Speaker 2: better at home, and they've been turning the ball over
Speaker 2: at a concerning rate in these road games and it's
Speaker 2: cost him a couple of games.
Speaker 1: So they're gonna have to be cleaner.
Speaker 2: We talked about it Mark last week when we did
Speaker 2: a Thursday Night recap that Buffalo like that felt like
Speaker 2: it should have been a thirty six to seventeen winner
Speaker 2: or whatever, and instead they're holding on for dear life
Speaker 2: on a Hail Mary. So the execution has just got
Speaker 2: to be a little sharper. And again, just keep an
Speaker 2: eye on Josh Allen because they did run him more,
Speaker 2: which the Bill's faithful we're clamoring for. But now if
Speaker 2: he's got an injury designation and he's are they going
Speaker 2: to take that element away because he's not the same
Speaker 2: player if he can't you those legs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he's you know, his use on the ground.
Speaker 4: We've talked about this before has been largely non existent
Speaker 4: in too many games. I do like that, like they
Speaker 4: need someone like Russewell Douglas in this game, and like,
Speaker 4: I don't know what his availability.
Speaker 3: Will be, but I think he's paying you got it.
Speaker 4: He'd already be their their best corner right now. They
Speaker 4: signed Linval Joseph upfront, you know, a guy who was
Speaker 4: about as big as a garage door, and I like,
Speaker 4: I do like one development from that game that Dalton
Speaker 4: Kincaid last two weeks, like getting a lot more used.
Speaker 4: It's fifteen targets, thirteen catches, one hundred and forty yards.
Speaker 3: They needed someone.
Speaker 4: To step up, and it like he looked awesome. He
Speaker 4: looked great, and I think that's a that's a that's
Speaker 4: a boon for them. But I'm gonna tell you something
Speaker 4: right now, like, yes, I just feel I'm feeling the Bengals.
Speaker 4: I remember two years ago when they started to like
Speaker 4: fascinate me with the way they would destroy the Ravens
Speaker 4: and Steelers, and you got a lot of that had
Speaker 4: to do with Joe Mixon on the ground, who looked
Speaker 4: great last week and last year that was not who
Speaker 4: they were. But I am confidently locking up the Cincinnati
Speaker 4: Bengals to take out Buffalo because I think there are
Speaker 4: structural problems with what the Bills are offering the season.
Speaker 2: I'm so annoyed right now because on our conversation client,
Speaker 2: where we work behind the scenes to set certain things up,
Speaker 2: you put in all caps locking the Bills, and I said, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm going to lock off with Sessler here because I
Speaker 2: love Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: But then you come on the show just now and
Speaker 3: you say't the wrong thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's why, you know, I try to do
Speaker 4: two things at once. That doesn't a noise work out.
Speaker 4: But no, it's the Bengals. Yeah, I'm not taking a
Speaker 4: road team against this, against this version of the ben.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know I'm going to lock the Bengals too.
Speaker 2: And it's a part of it's an apology. It's an
Speaker 2: apology to Joe Burrow for locking against him in San
Speaker 2: Francisco last week. And I just think I'm going to
Speaker 2: start riding with the Bengals in the locks competition.
Speaker 3: If they are in the lock zone, I'm just going
Speaker 3: to get behind Joe Burrow.
Speaker 5: This is this is a sign of someone spinning, spinning
Speaker 5: out in the lock competition. You lose with him against
Speaker 5: them one week, you have to flip with him, and
Speaker 5: now you're starting you're with him every week.
Speaker 3: The next well, he's spinning out. I have to You're right.
Speaker 3: But I will say that that.
Speaker 2: Last week was obviously an eye opener because you learned
Speaker 2: it showed how healthy he looked, and you talked about
Speaker 2: that that audible I called attention last Sunday to that
Speaker 2: scramble where he got out of the sack early on
Speaker 2: third down and made the throws he was going to
Speaker 2: the sideline like, these are the things that one of
Speaker 2: the greatest quarterbacks in the league and my favorite quarterback
Speaker 2: to watch in the league makes when he is when
Speaker 2: he is him, and he is him right now, he
Speaker 2: is him.
Speaker 1: I mean, who do you think you are?
Speaker 5: I am?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 3: Well, what have we got er?
Speaker 2: Well, guys, we also got excited back here because we
Speaker 2: also saw the lock in the Bill's message.
Speaker 3: We originally thought that Mark. We thought there would be
Speaker 3: a lock off between Mark and somebody else. So all right,
Speaker 3: Mark to wonder who confusion caused. Hello, heroes.
Speaker 7: Coming off another successful walk week, the.
Speaker 3: Jet can't be bragging about that, Jim.
Speaker 1: You gotta get them out of here.
Speaker 7: They don't know what they're talking about. They won't do
Speaker 7: the video, they won't participate. All they want to do
Speaker 7: is complain. That's fine. I'm gonna keep rocking and rolling,
Speaker 7: just like the Bengals will keep rocking and rolling this
Speaker 7: week at home in prime time. Basically, sorry, Eric, you
Speaker 7: know I love you, but the Bills aren't very good.
Speaker 7: He should be, but every week I watch them and
Speaker 7: they're just not. They're an average football team. I've been
Speaker 7: saying all year, they're gonna miss the playoffs. The Bengals
Speaker 7: exposed them at the end of the year last year.
Speaker 7: One up in Buffalo, buy a ton, dominate them. They
Speaker 7: own this Bills team. Joe Burrow throws for three touchdowns,
Speaker 7: the Bengals win big, lock it up?
Speaker 3: All right? I love it?
Speaker 2: And Nick's getting hot, by the way, if we have
Speaker 2: the standings, by the way, I know we haven't seen
Speaker 2: the Rosenthal pick yet, but we have.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this isn't right. Dan's three back?
Speaker 1: What do you mean? How would you know that?
Speaker 3: Because they sent it out on How did you know
Speaker 3: that for Twitter? Do you study this more closely than
Speaker 3: anything in your entire life?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: But they sent it out this morning on Twitter and
Speaker 5: they added me and I saw it the lockups?
Speaker 3: What is his? I believe all I remember it was
Speaker 3: Mark and Dan or three back? That was all I remember.
Speaker 3: Tracking isn't he? They sent it this morning? Uh, here
Speaker 3: we go.
Speaker 5: They sent a nice little thing the Cincinnati Zoo that
Speaker 5: was ahead of you two. They're at five and three.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, yeah, they were ahead of me
Speaker 4: last week.
Speaker 2: What's going on with the graphic? So we got Nick,
Speaker 2: Who's hot? By the way, I think they were one.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of confusion going on right now.
Speaker 4: Wait, by the way, I like the last comment that
Speaker 4: you two made about like, don't give Nick or the
Speaker 4: crew credit for the Jets lock I locked the Jets
Speaker 4: last week, and I thought that the same.
Speaker 3: You don't need to be crowing about that time.
Speaker 1: I didn't say anything.
Speaker 3: I said, you locked it up?
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I you know I didn't for the show.
Speaker 4: And it was like, it looks like at Tire Fighter.
Speaker 4: Until the final couple of minutes, you guys had a
Speaker 4: one percent chance of lock that up. And that goes
Speaker 4: to show you the power of sports. You always have
Speaker 4: a chance.
Speaker 3: The power of us.
Speaker 2: But the amazing level of confusion you caused through the
Speaker 2: client that was, oh can we bleep out the name
Speaker 2: of that? Because I don't bring up that company. All right,
Speaker 2: we got to keep moving out. Let's knock this one
Speaker 2: out and then take a break. Monday Night Football. Yes,
Speaker 2: the aforementioned Jets coming off maybe the ugliest win in
Speaker 2: history of pro football, but they did win, and they're
Speaker 2: on a three game winning streak. Host the Los Angeles Chargers.
Speaker 2: I feel like man three and a half. Chargers are
Speaker 2: favored here on the road, which seems.
Speaker 3: Weird too, Yes, it does. It didn't start that way.
Speaker 5: That was an indication that everyone is putting money on
Speaker 5: the Chargers. I think it was at two to begin with,
Speaker 5: and it moved quite a bit. That's surprising.
Speaker 2: I find this game almost impossible to figure out because
Speaker 2: the Jets were terrible last week offensively and in general.
Speaker 2: You know, as much as I loved the team, you
Speaker 2: know they're winning record. If you look a little closer,
Speaker 2: this is a team that could be one and six
Speaker 2: right now. I mean they're they have really kind of
Speaker 2: these coin flip games you could count. I guess the
Speaker 2: Chiefs Sunday night far is kind of a coin flip,
Speaker 2: but not really. They've won every coin flip so far,
Speaker 2: and that maybe that keeps going on. But it doesn't
Speaker 2: mean they're playing at an elite level right now, even
Speaker 2: though they're on a winning streak. But the Chargers traveling
Speaker 2: across the country in prime time against a good to
Speaker 2: very good defense, that would spook me as well. Greg
Speaker 2: If yeah, if I'm a Charger supporter.
Speaker 5: Right I don't feel confident in this Chargers offense. They're
Speaker 5: like really enjoying. I guess it's just their social media team,
Speaker 5: but it's like they got that prime time like blowout
Speaker 5: and they're enjoying the hell out of that. Was like, okay,
Speaker 5: it was against Tyson Bajen in the Bear. Since week two,
Speaker 5: this running attack that Kellen Moore wanted to get better
Speaker 5: has the lowest success rate in the entire NFL by
Speaker 5: a lot. So everything is on Herbert and there's no Micilliams.
Speaker 5: They're not that explosive offensively, and the recipe of everything
Speaker 5: on Herbert, and you have to throw the ball against
Speaker 5: this Jets team, which is much better against the past
Speaker 5: than they are defending the run. They're just great against Bethier.
Speaker 5: They're getting to be special. Dan I was looking for special.
Speaker 5: They're getting there in terms of their pass rush, in
Speaker 5: terms of their coverage. And then you have a team
Speaker 5: in the Chargers who can't run on normal downs and
Speaker 5: are literally the worst team in the NFL on third
Speaker 5: and one and fourth and one.
Speaker 3: So it's everyone.
Speaker 5: Gets on Kellen Moore because on Brandon Staley because he
Speaker 5: goes for fourth and one of those works, like.
Speaker 3: A lot of it is just there.
Speaker 5: They stink get short yardage, and so that's a team
Speaker 5: you're going against the Jets. It's a recipe for it
Speaker 5: to come down to the last three minutes and in
Speaker 5: that spot, I trust the Jets a little.
Speaker 3: More than the Change have played well in Layton games.
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that they are.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think this will be a glorious night
Speaker 4: for the Jets and their fan base.
Speaker 3: Is he gonna do it? Well, I just did it,
Speaker 3: but I gonna do it. I don't trust.
Speaker 4: Like a hot and cold mystery team, you know, flow
Speaker 4: across the country to the East coast. They've been a
Speaker 4: total They've been, to me, one of the more frustrating
Speaker 4: teams of my adulthood. That is no more true than
Speaker 4: under the Brandon Staley world. And I think you can
Speaker 4: run on them too. I think it's a kind of
Speaker 4: night where it's like a big breeze Hall night for
Speaker 4: the super casual fans that aren't tracking like the Breeze
Speaker 4: Halls of the world. Like this is a superstar running
Speaker 4: back who needs a couple signature moments and this could
Speaker 4: be one of them.
Speaker 3: But I.
Speaker 4: Think it's also maybe it's like a catch and run
Speaker 4: type scenario with him, just get it to him out
Speaker 4: in the flats. But I you know, the Chargers, like
Speaker 4: the one thing that kind of rattled them earlier in
Speaker 4: the year. They have a good offensive line in many ways,
Speaker 4: but pressure against Justin Herbert late in games and key situations,
Speaker 4: I just see that. I feel like the Jets are
Speaker 4: gonna pull something off. With Bryce Huff, with Quinn Williams,
Speaker 4: they apply more pressure than essentially anyone it's waved defenders,
Speaker 4: and I don't like the idea of Justin Herbert repeating
Speaker 4: what happened last week again. I don't trust this team
Speaker 4: to go out and dominate two weeks in a row.
Speaker 4: I expect something strange and unwatchable from them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would surprise me if Herbert lit up the
Speaker 2: Jets defense, although it could happen, but I don't think
Speaker 2: he will. But for all the talk about the Jets
Speaker 2: offense with Zach Wilson being better than last year, they
Speaker 2: are thirtieth in average pass EPA, they are thirty first
Speaker 2: and rush EPA. They are last in the league on
Speaker 2: third down conversions. They are last in the league in
Speaker 2: pressure rate allowed. This is a terrible offense. At least
Speaker 2: they're dedicated to it, which is why I've been saying
Speaker 2: for weeks and weeks that they should have done something
Speaker 2: to fix it, whether it was a trade for a
Speaker 2: wide receiver or on the offensive line, or get another
Speaker 2: quarterback option in. Instead, they're just saying we're waiting for
Speaker 2: Aaron and everything's gonna be okay. So that it is
Speaker 2: going to be a tough watch, I think on offense again,
Speaker 2: I just don't think the Jets are ever gonna turn
Speaker 2: it on on offense. So it's gonna be these close
Speaker 2: games hoping for a big play by the defen or
Speaker 2: Zach wakes up and makes a couple throws late like
Speaker 2: he did against the Giants. And then it's the special
Speaker 2: teams of the Jets there, which has been excellent. They
Speaker 2: won a game with Gibson in Week one on a
Speaker 2: punt return. Greg zerline has been automatic so far this year.
Speaker 2: For a team that doesn't get in the end zone,
Speaker 2: that's huge. And then there is this, because we haven't
Speaker 2: gone to the old Gymnasium in a while, let's head
Speaker 2: to the Hunter's punch Bowl mixer. H it's not you know,
Speaker 2: it's not as crazy as the Kicker Club.
Speaker 3: Now. It's like salt of the Earth.
Speaker 2: But here's the headline by the New York Post Steve Serby,
Speaker 2: their veteran calumnist. Thomas Moristead is the Jets' unlikely weapon.
Speaker 2: Did you know He's been unbelievable. He's been nails all
Speaker 2: year for a team that needs the punter to give
Speaker 2: them field position and set up the defense.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: He became.
Speaker 2: One of two punters in the past six seasons to
Speaker 2: put three punts inside the five yard line in one game,
Speaker 2: which he did against the Giants. And he has been
Speaker 2: absolutely stellar. He's a Special Teams Player of the Week.
Speaker 2: He's number two in punt yardage, number four and fewest
Speaker 2: punt return yards allowed. I know it sounds like a
Speaker 2: bit because we're in the gymnasium right now for the
Speaker 2: punch bowl mixer, But for this type of team that
Speaker 2: relies on defense and field possession, the kicker and the
Speaker 2: punter being excellent has made the difference and it's a
Speaker 2: reason why they are in playoff position.
Speaker 5: I mean, what what a career. This is our time
Speaker 5: to give Thomas morrisead his flowers. It was Thomas Morristead
Speaker 5: who came out of halftime and kicked that on side
Speaker 5: kick for the New Orleans Saints back in the day.
Speaker 5: Had a great game punting there too in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5: Big day for Thomas unbelieve.
Speaker 4: Sounds like these punters might even be slow dancing in
Speaker 4: the situation with the you know the music, it is nice,
Speaker 4: it is romantic.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, babes too everywhere.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, I didn't. I thought it was just punched.
Speaker 4: Such a could be Peggy.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say it's Joe Burrow.
Speaker 5: But Joey Bosta showed up and looked healthy for the
Speaker 5: first time all season last week, and I did wonder,
Speaker 5: is like that a change for this Chargers defense.
Speaker 3: He looked like Joey bost again.
Speaker 1: That's big.
Speaker 2: That's that game for me is a real toss up,
Speaker 2: and I'm just gonna go with the Sessler feeling that
Speaker 2: the Jets have a little pixie dust on him away again.
Speaker 4: It's like you you can accept that one fourth of
Speaker 4: what you're watching from the Jets is going to be terrible,
Speaker 4: and that's their passing game and everything else is kind
Speaker 4: of great.
Speaker 2: Last note, my six year old son, Harry, he turned
Speaker 2: seven this weekend. It's kind of like a Charges fan
Speaker 2: and he has a Chargers T shirt and I sat
Speaker 2: him down a couple days ago and I said, all right, Harrison,
Speaker 2: the Jets and Chargers are playing on Monday night.
Speaker 1: Who are you rooting for?
Speaker 2: And I did it in a very serious, solemn way, because
Speaker 2: he's you know, kids are fun like that.
Speaker 1: He really put him in a different headspace. And he
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know yet.
Speaker 3: Daddy, good answer.
Speaker 1: And I said, will you give me an answer by
Speaker 1: the end of the week.
Speaker 4: Said yeah, that is exactly how.
Speaker 3: It talks to Harrison hands this impression.
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a break and then we will
Speaker 2: get to the draft. All right, we're back. We are
Speaker 2: now finally to the draft and Mark Sessler bully to you,
Speaker 2: my friend, you have the first overall pick. Well, it's
Speaker 2: a great pick. You know, it's a late game. Let
Speaker 2: me just cross it out. Cardinals at Brown, That's.
Speaker 4: Exactly where I'm going with this. No, the Cowboys at
Speaker 4: the Eagles. We have we keep having games of the year,
Speaker 4: but they're building off of what we knew before. So
Speaker 4: this is now the currently I think the game of
Speaker 4: the year. And an interesting I don't think it's the
Speaker 4: game of the week.
Speaker 1: I think it is the.
Speaker 4: Game of the year because I think, like there's for me,
Speaker 4: Dallas is this is kind of like, come show and
Speaker 4: tell us who you are, and I think they can
Speaker 4: do it, Like I don't.
Speaker 3: I would like them better in Dallas in this situation.
Speaker 4: I think that if you get the best version of
Speaker 4: Micah Parsons and their pass rush against the great offensive line.
Speaker 4: There's another little injury thing hanging out through the Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 4: who did not look healthy at all coming out of
Speaker 4: that Dolphins game limping, ended a press conference earlier this
Speaker 4: week when they asked him about his knee, he just
Speaker 4: sort of said, not talking about that.
Speaker 3: But Jay Glazer's talked about the fact that he's had a.
Speaker 4: Bone bruise and he's been dealing with it for four weeks,
Speaker 4: and you're gonna get less.
Speaker 3: Played great week. I know it played great.
Speaker 4: I guess what I'm saying is, if you can find
Speaker 4: a way and this is the thing, can you nullify
Speaker 4: aj Brown and DeVante Smith? If not, this thing is
Speaker 4: probably not could potentially not be that close at all.
Speaker 4: I mean, I could see Philadelphia just doing what Philadelphia does.
Speaker 4: But can you challenge Hurts to have to get out
Speaker 4: of the pocket, to have to run a little bit more?
Speaker 4: I mean, I agree, he looked like fantastic week ago,
Speaker 4: but this injury has just been hanging around and it's
Speaker 4: just the kind of thing I'll monitor. And I last
Speaker 4: week's Dak Prescott and what they did to the Rams,
Speaker 4: because when they win, they blow teams out, and they
Speaker 4: kind of ended the Rams season potentially with what happened
Speaker 4: to Matthew Stafford. I mean, they kind of end the
Speaker 4: Giant season in Week one if you think about it.
Speaker 4: They debt when they were all when all parts of
Speaker 4: what they do are working like special teams. They got
Speaker 4: it last week. Defense, offense. It's like they are unpretty unstoppable.
Speaker 4: So it's like, can you come up? Can you do
Speaker 4: go through a week of practice in the biggest game
Speaker 4: of the year when I do have a doubts about
Speaker 4: who they are in big moments and just say forget it.
Speaker 4: Last year, Jalen Hurts and Dak Prescott never faced each other.
Speaker 4: You had Cooper Rush in one game, Gardner Minshew and
Speaker 4: the other. Now go do it one on one, see
Speaker 4: what happens.
Speaker 1: That's why it surprised me. Why you think this is
Speaker 1: the game of the week.
Speaker 2: But I'll say this, I think the Cowboys are the
Speaker 2: equivalent of what I was just saying with the Dolphins,
Speaker 2: because the Cowboys obviously failed a huge test against the
Speaker 2: Niners where they just were embarrassed, they got it handed
Speaker 2: to them and they kind of licked their wounds and
Speaker 2: recovered from that. But now here's another big test, and
Speaker 2: again it's these teams. If we are to take the
Speaker 2: Cowboys seriously, it is the Niners and the Eagles that
Speaker 2: they have to show that they are not going to
Speaker 2: be bullied by or kind of be brushed aside, or
Speaker 2: be the team that gets kind of laughed at on
Speaker 2: my morning because one of the big boys just pants
Speaker 2: them in a big spot. You got to go prove something.
Speaker 2: And I kind of like it, Greg you that the
Speaker 2: game's on the road, because if I'm going to take
Speaker 2: the Cowboys seriously, you got to have a couple of
Speaker 2: these wins on your resume, and going to Philly and
Speaker 2: taking out the Eagles would really change the dynamic in
Speaker 2: the NFC.
Speaker 5: I agree, and I will take them seriously even if
Speaker 5: they lose like a close game.
Speaker 1: Same thing what I said about the Dolphins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you go back and forth in the place,
Speaker 2: that's okay, but you can't get blown out.
Speaker 5: But to Mark's point, I don't know if it's the
Speaker 5: game of the year, but it might have the biggest
Speaker 5: impact in the super Bowl race of any regular season
Speaker 5: game for a while, because depending on how you want
Speaker 5: to look at the NFC, there's either three real deal
Speaker 5: Super Bowl contenders or there is like five, let's say,
Speaker 5: and four of them are in the same divisions, the
Speaker 5: West and the East. And the Eagles will get up
Speaker 5: two and a half games on the Cowboys with only
Speaker 5: eight to play. That's a pretty big margin if the
Speaker 5: Eagles can win this game. So if you're looking at
Speaker 5: like there's only three super Bowl contenders, one of them
Speaker 5: is gonna have to go on the road and win
Speaker 5: three games. Whoever comes in second place in the NFC East.
Speaker 5: I think you can throw more teams in there in
Speaker 5: the NFC West too, and that can be done, and
Speaker 5: it's been done right, and you can come back from
Speaker 5: two and a half games too. But it would be
Speaker 5: a size to use a mark word advantage to get
Speaker 5: this start. And I was I was worried about the
Speaker 5: Eagles because they did not look the same without Jalen
Speaker 5: Carter on defense last last week. I know Fletcher Cox
Speaker 5: is having his best season in a few years, but
Speaker 5: Carter is their best defensive player. They've been a mediocre,
Speaker 5: disappointing defense in general, but Carter is practicing fully and
Speaker 5: they've got you know, an extra secondary help with Gyros
Speaker 5: Burd Gyris and uh playing and ships back, so they're
Speaker 5: actually as healthy as they've been all year. I just wonder,
Speaker 5: like Nikobe Dean's out there. Nacobe Dean a good player.
Speaker 5: This is a game where I think they'll be targeting
Speaker 5: the linebacker position of Philly for a while.
Speaker 4: I think it's a huge moment for Mike McCarthy because
Speaker 4: a win, like I don't know it just this is
Speaker 4: that because I don't feel that way about Dolphins chiefs
Speaker 4: in terms of like if whatever happens to the Dolphins,
Speaker 4: like they're a new good team. You know, it's like
Speaker 4: there's there. They're with a second year head coach and
Speaker 4: they're like a new experience. Like this is sort of
Speaker 4: the Dallas DNA the last couple of seasons, the way
Speaker 4: that it ended, you Like, this is gonna be like
Speaker 4: if you can find a way to shut down, I'm
Speaker 4: one Philly's like ground game has not been great the
Speaker 4: last couple of weeks, Like that's because things are heating
Speaker 4: up through the air. I guess the question the inflection
Speaker 4: point is like, can you stop aj Brown? Who looks
Speaker 4: downright unstoppable to me?
Speaker 2: Now, yes, Brown has been We talked about earlier in
Speaker 2: the week. It could be in the MVP conversation. The Eagles,
Speaker 2: you know they are obviously what are they six in
Speaker 2: one right now? Like record wise, they are seven and
Speaker 2: one and a very good spot. And you know that
Speaker 2: that is the measure of a team that even if
Speaker 2: they haven't really clicked on all gears and the defense
Speaker 2: obviously it was a mess last week against Washington and
Speaker 2: the offenses had you know, stops and goes. The fact
Speaker 2: that they're seven to one is a testament to their
Speaker 2: superpower status that they find a way.
Speaker 1: However, let's keep an eye for.
Speaker 2: A team that hasn't really been able to put it
Speaker 2: all together despite the record. The next six weeks they
Speaker 2: have the Cowboys at Chiefs home, Buffalo home, Niners at
Speaker 2: Cowboys at Seahawks. That is a gauntlet like no other
Speaker 2: team faces all year.
Speaker 5: That makes this game even bigger, I think for the
Speaker 5: Philly to get that advantage, because if you lose it,
Speaker 5: suddenly everything looks a little different. Philadelphia is favored by three,
Speaker 5: so kind of the desert looks like at these two
Speaker 5: teams sees them pretty even. Philly hasn't been able to
Speaker 5: run well lately. That's a little concerning for them, and
Speaker 5: they are facing Dak on a heater. I know it's
Speaker 5: only two games, but if you just search like PFF
Speaker 5: from weeks six to eight, you know, first in PFF,
Speaker 5: first in EPA, fifth in completion percentage over expected. Basically
Speaker 5: as a DAK supporter, he's played two perfect games. They've
Speaker 5: been against pretty shaky defenses. This is a great test
Speaker 5: of if he's going to keep running the ball occasionally
Speaker 5: against a better defense in a big spot. If he
Speaker 5: continues a heater, then this team has I mean week
Speaker 5: seven was a bye, so week six through eight is right. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm saying those charge games. He basically had two perfect games.
Speaker 4: I guess I get like not to be general about
Speaker 4: Dak because it's that stuff annoys me too. But it's like, okay,
Speaker 4: like this is where we need Dak in you know,
Speaker 4: with the entire world watching, to absolutely be the best version.
Speaker 2: And I said last week ceedee lamb go be AJ
Speaker 2: Brown and then he was AJ Browning on Sunday. Now
Speaker 2: it's a J Brown v CD Lamb And if the
Speaker 2: Cowboys have any chance ceedee, Lamb is going to have
Speaker 2: to go kind of punch for punch with AJ Brown
Speaker 2: in terms of production.
Speaker 5: Let's see if it happens. All right, Greg, up next? Okay,
Speaker 5: you know where I'm going. I'm taking the Seahawks at
Speaker 5: the Ravens. It's in the early window. Look you, the
Speaker 5: Ravens are six point favorites.
Speaker 3: How about that?
Speaker 5: Jim Nance Tony Romo on this game. And this is
Speaker 5: the best week of games of the season because we
Speaker 5: not only have four great games. And I made a
Speaker 5: little list before the show. I came up with eleven
Speaker 5: teams six and the AFC five in the NFC where
Speaker 5: it wouldn't shock me if they won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: It's like a long list.
Speaker 5: Eight of those eleven teams are playing against each other
Speaker 5: this week in four kind of big games, and they're
Speaker 5: all in different windows, including that that early London went
Speaker 5: so you can you can focus on it.
Speaker 3: If you're the general fan. I love this.
Speaker 5: I am a little worried for the Seahawks offense because
Speaker 5: this is a team in Baltimore that really forces quarterbacks
Speaker 5: to make quick decisions, and Gino's really improved and not
Speaker 5: taking sacks. You can tell it was a point of emphasis.
Speaker 5: Get rid of the ball a little quicker, don't take
Speaker 5: as many sacks. That was probably his biggest weakness as
Speaker 5: a quarterback coming into this year.
Speaker 3: He's really improved on that.
Speaker 5: But sometimes he just then makes a throw that you
Speaker 5: shouldn't make. And Baltimore is really good at being creative
Speaker 5: and making quarterbacks make throws they shouldn't make and sending
Speaker 5: a lot at them. And they've overcome the injuries on
Speaker 5: their offensive line and they're maybe getting little healthier this
Speaker 5: week for Seattle, but I wouldn't say it's a strength
Speaker 5: for them against the team in Baltimore that leads the
Speaker 5: NFL in sacks. The positive is the wide receiver group's
Speaker 5: kind of coming together. Jsn slowly improving, Jake Bobo, he's
Speaker 5: a thing. Lockett finally had his best game last week.
Speaker 5: DK Metcalf, who has been injured, is healthy. So if
Speaker 5: there is a team that I think could go up
Speaker 5: and down with Baltimore like it would be Seattle, But
Speaker 5: they need their defense.
Speaker 3: To show up.
Speaker 2: Watching the game this morning, the Seattle game against Cleveland,
Speaker 2: and great job going down the field stealing that game
Speaker 2: from the Browns who had the ball with a couple
Speaker 2: of minutes to go before PJ Walker through an interception.
Speaker 1: The GINO thing can't hide from it. It is.
Speaker 3: He threw two interceptions.
Speaker 2: He threw a bad red zone pick, he threw a
Speaker 2: pick over the middle, there's a really nice athletic play
Speaker 2: by the defensive lineman. And then he had a late
Speaker 2: in the third quarter Gift wrapped a potential pick six
Speaker 2: that was dropped.
Speaker 3: There was a real there's a real Greg where he's
Speaker 3: I was a miscommunication with JSN for sure, but that's gonna.
Speaker 2: Enters the fourth quarter with three interceptions and they're down
Speaker 2: twenty seven to seventeen. I think he's living a little
Speaker 2: bit dangerously, no doubt, and he's getting away with some things,
Speaker 2: and he had some low throws in that game.
Speaker 1: In general, I don't know what like but the story.
Speaker 2: I'm sure his PFF grade is great, Greg, But like
Speaker 2: watching these games, it feels like every week now it's
Speaker 2: a bit of a tight rope walk and when is
Speaker 2: he going to fall off and have a really bad game?
Speaker 3: And I think it could be this game.
Speaker 5: I think that's fair because the difference is like like
Speaker 5: those Browns games, those two first two drives. I was expecting, Okay,
Speaker 5: I'm going to see Geno in rhythm. It was actually
Speaker 5: Geno kind of creating second reaction plays after the pressure
Speaker 5: got there.
Speaker 3: So it's similar.
Speaker 5: It's a it's Gino coasters within games now where I
Speaker 5: think there's a lot of high level stuff that's making
Speaker 5: up for the.
Speaker 3: Bad throws his first touchdown passes. It's a dangerous way
Speaker 3: to live. I know that drive was excellent.
Speaker 5: I am worried about yea, I am worried about this matchup.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think anyone would be in Baltimore right now.
Speaker 4: Man, they're giving Seattle six points that that surprised me
Speaker 4: a little bit. I think that the Geno thing. I'm
Speaker 4: with you Dan entirely. That was a tough game to
Speaker 4: watch because you're watching a team directed by you know,
Speaker 4: Walker who's making disastrous throws all over the place, massive
Speaker 4: turnover worthy issues, and you're you're hanging around because of
Speaker 4: your defense and like that dropped pick six was huge.
Speaker 4: But I think the other side to Gino is that
Speaker 4: in these games you see him operating with like pretty
Speaker 4: intense confidence that he can make big plays down the
Speaker 4: field too, and there's been some spectacular deep shots.
Speaker 3: But it is a coaster.
Speaker 2: Inside a coaster inside a coaster, right, and Lamar has
Speaker 2: been it's a Russian doll of Gino Smith.
Speaker 5: Lamar has been more consistent. I don't think his gift
Speaker 5: idea for Greg I will you know Smith, Russian doll.
Speaker 5: I would love it. And I look at this. I
Speaker 5: look at this Baltimore team, though, and I just see
Speaker 5: they can win so many different types of ways. They're
Speaker 5: actually getting healthier. They didn't make any moves at the deadline.
Speaker 5: There was reporting from the athletic that they went pretty
Speaker 5: hard after Derrick Henry that they would have liked that,
Speaker 5: but they weren't going to go and give them like
Speaker 5: a first or a high, you know, side condition. So
Speaker 5: they were interested. But I think they looked at the
Speaker 5: team they had and they said, look, we're winning all
Speaker 5: sorts of ways. We have a really effective running game.
Speaker 5: The passing game is a little up and down, but
Speaker 5: we can do it. We can win with a rund evens,
Speaker 5: we can run with our past even I just think
Speaker 5: right now they might be.
Speaker 3: The most complete team in the NFL.
Speaker 5: They're getting it going and and it hurts me, but
Speaker 5: I'm trying to take the emotion out of it. I'm
Speaker 5: going to actually lock against the Seahawks, so I'm going
Speaker 5: either way.
Speaker 1: It is so weird.
Speaker 5: I just I don't like any other Locks. I was like,
Speaker 5: I really do think they're the best part for me.
Speaker 3: That's amazing.
Speaker 2: I don't hate it, I know, but it's such a
Speaker 2: It's a look into the mind of Greg that I
Speaker 2: knew this game was going to give you trouble emotionally,
Speaker 2: and well you kind of downplayed it last week. But
Speaker 2: now that I am this is heightened the fact that
Speaker 2: it blocked one of the two.
Speaker 3: Well, it is weird.
Speaker 5: I still, in my heart will be rooting for the
Speaker 5: Seahawks that outweighs the Locks, like slightly.
Speaker 3: But I do believe the Ravens will win.
Speaker 5: What I believe as I'm wearing my rain Maker sweatshirt
Speaker 5: check it out, by the way, checked out, So people
Speaker 5: were looking on Instagram like where they could buy this,
Speaker 5: and I did find the link.
Speaker 3: I will try to put it up. You know.
Speaker 5: It's you know, whenever, whenever Iddris Elba can make a
Speaker 5: sweatshirt with the NFL promoting his charity, and it randomly
Speaker 5: says rain maker on it, and nobody knows why you
Speaker 5: gotta get it right.
Speaker 3: You might have had some influence in that.
Speaker 1: We don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't think so nobody knows.
Speaker 2: It hasn't really been brought up by Greg, but I
Speaker 2: personally engineered him getting this sweat.
Speaker 5: You did a great job. You were at the store.
Speaker 5: You said, look at this, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: That's he and we gotta we gotta get this Greg,
Speaker 2: and I went and I went on the rack and
Speaker 2: I sought out the proper size for you too, and
Speaker 2: I I.
Speaker 5: Uh, oh, yeah, you said, I said, I will venue
Speaker 5: you right now, get me the smallest size they have,
Speaker 5: and then you got it for free.
Speaker 3: So look at you now. Henry obviously play a major role.
Speaker 2: But if I don't, if I don't elevate, that is
Speaker 2: something that needs to happen.
Speaker 1: You're not wearing that.
Speaker 5: I I give you. I want to give you all
Speaker 5: the flowers, but let's.
Speaker 1: Take it to what I'm really.
Speaker 3: Flowers.
Speaker 2: I'm not looking for flowers. I'm looking for a taste
Speaker 2: of the action. If you ended up moving units of
Speaker 2: this and you get a taste, well, I don't got
Speaker 2: to catch.
Speaker 3: Uh to zeuser.
Speaker 5: In fact, my size is sold out, I noticed, but
Speaker 5: there are still large and extra largest available.
Speaker 2: Let's get too Uh see this stinks because we oh, well, well,
Speaker 2: so many great.
Speaker 3: Games you got you got.
Speaker 5: We're like an hour into the show, so there's nothing left.
Speaker 2: There's literally nothing left that excites me. In fact, Greg,
Speaker 2: can you pick my game for me?
Speaker 3: I like that?
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, now I'm gonna make self interested.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do whatever you want because there's nothing here that.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm gonna give you Commander's Patriots Commander's page.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fine because I'm not gonna because as hard
Speaker 2: as the other I don't know.
Speaker 3: You told me to give you one. I was like,
Speaker 3: what game do I not want to watch? So that's
Speaker 3: how that's all right?
Speaker 1: You're out, Mark.
Speaker 3: Can you pick me a game and self interesting? Okay?
Speaker 3: Let's see here. What would you pick if you were
Speaker 3: in the spot? Ben job? Greg mcmufic, Okay, you know
Speaker 3: what I would pick. I would know you're out, Mark,
Speaker 3: Mark is. The draft has been pushed to Mark intensely. Bleak.
Speaker 4: There's injuries all over the place.
Speaker 3: I'm a weirdo. I'm telling you what I would pick.
Speaker 5: I would pick Vikings Falcons and get in on Jaron Hall,
Speaker 5: hannicking to see what they.
Speaker 3: Are going on over there. No, no, no, that's what
Speaker 3: I would.
Speaker 4: How about a little C. J. Stroud verse Baker Mayfield
Speaker 4: Tampa ed Houston.
Speaker 1: All right, well I'm gonna take them both. How about that?
Speaker 2: Those are my next two picks. Okay, let's start with
Speaker 2: the Vikings at Falcons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's post Kirk. Now it's Jaron Hall.
Speaker 3: Maybe we ever know if Josh stabs Josh.
Speaker 1: Dobbs in the building.
Speaker 2: They did get him, so there's a I guess a
Speaker 2: possibility he plays. Once upon a time last year Baker
Speaker 2: played on a couple of days. Noticed for the Rams.
Speaker 2: Do you need to get Josh Dobbs in a game
Speaker 2: at all costs? No, I'd rather take a look at
Speaker 2: the kid and then see make an evaluation after four quarters.
Speaker 2: But the Vikings also are quietly amidst all the trauma
Speaker 2: that the season is a crude now due to injury.
Speaker 2: On a three game winning streak, they got back to
Speaker 2: five hundred. They are in the thicke of things. I
Speaker 2: think they hold the seventh playoff spot in the NFC.
Speaker 2: As action kicks off and there is intrigue with the
Speaker 2: Falcons now I mean it. I will give the slightest
Speaker 2: amount of credit to Arthur Smith, who's terrible. He finally
Speaker 2: finally made a decision in the team's best interest rather
Speaker 2: than what would show that he's smarter than everyone else,
Speaker 2: and he benches Desmond Ritter. He's a backup quarterback, as
Speaker 2: he always was. Who knows what would have happened with
Speaker 2: this super soft schedule they have if he would have
Speaker 2: pulled the trigger a month ago and gotten in what
Speaker 2: I think is a very good backup quarterback in Taylor Heineke.
Speaker 1: Maybe they are in the.
Speaker 2: Mix versus the first or second seed in the NFC.
Speaker 2: It's not crazy when you think about their schedule and
Speaker 2: what's lies ahead. But now they have a quarterback who
Speaker 2: can potentially get hot. And again, this is the general
Speaker 2: idea of the Falcons heading into the season is, oh,
Speaker 2: they could be fun this year because they have Drake London,
Speaker 2: because they have Kyle Pitts, because they have Beejean Robinson.
Speaker 2: They have pieces here ostensibly, a good offensive mind, a
Speaker 2: head coach that can pull some levers here. Okay, none
Speaker 2: of that worked, but now you have a guy in
Speaker 2: Heineke who could sling it a little bit, and let's
Speaker 2: see if he's allowed to throw the ball and they
Speaker 2: can get a good mix of pass and run if
Speaker 2: the Falcons offense does actually show real signs of life.
Speaker 1: They certainly did in the half Heinekee played on Sunday.
Speaker 3: It had to happen. It had to happen.
Speaker 4: And I think, like what you're pointing to with Arthur
Speaker 4: Smith is something we all see that. It's just like
Speaker 4: the messaging around it was confusing. I don't care at
Speaker 4: this point he's in. We need to see the change.
Speaker 4: That said, the thing that I think is a little
Speaker 4: interesting is that like Ridder's numbers and Heineke's numbers in
Speaker 4: general are like almost identical.
Speaker 3: But that's why I can't trust numbers like that. I
Speaker 3: I agree with that Heikey is Washington numbers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I would say Heineck in general is no
Speaker 4: stranger to like perilous decisions, of course, but I find
Speaker 4: him to be an adventurer and I like tailor. Heinecke
Speaker 4: was like, no matter what the Desmond Ridder train was
Speaker 4: like careening into a wall, you had to do this
Speaker 4: and if it works. Suddenly an offense that has a
Speaker 4: lot of pieces if they can play and sync better
Speaker 4: and you can get this vision of whatever this Arthur
Speaker 4: Smith offense actually wants to be this year.
Speaker 3: You're here's something.
Speaker 5: I don't think the vision's gonna happen because they're running
Speaker 5: game stinks. And that doesn't have to do with Desmond Ridder.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but then ask question have to be flexible with
Speaker 4: Ramish what you do, right?
Speaker 5: But I just mean that was the vision and that's
Speaker 5: the biggest problem.
Speaker 3: That's a big problem.
Speaker 2: But I think the failures of the quarterback could play
Speaker 2: a role in the running games failures as well. Here's
Speaker 2: the quest I have Because Desmond Ridder was put in
Speaker 2: a caretaker role and failed. Okay, do you think that
Speaker 2: Greg Taylor Heineke will be put in the same type
Speaker 2: of role or they're gonna take this as a chance
Speaker 2: to try to open up the offense a little bit
Speaker 2: and maybe that changes things in the running game as well.
Speaker 5: So I think they should. I think they should just
Speaker 5: go for it. I think they were going for it
Speaker 5: with Ridder. They were very heavy pass run like he
Speaker 5: was throwing a ton. He was throwing a ton down
Speaker 5: the field. That just wasn't good. Like they went pretty
Speaker 5: heavy pass because I think everyone was just building to
Speaker 5: stop the run, which which makes sense, and I think
Speaker 5: they'll probably do that with Heineke too.
Speaker 3: I think this is a tough matchup.
Speaker 5: The Falcons are a four and a half point favorite,
Speaker 5: and I know we don't know anything about Jaron Hall.
Speaker 3: He's a fifth round rookie.
Speaker 5: He's got a little bit of mobility, he's twenty five.
Speaker 3: He's a little different than what you would expect.
Speaker 5: You know, he's at Utah where was there BYU forever
Speaker 5: and he's like not a huge arm or anything like that.
Speaker 5: But Kevin O'Connell with a backup quarterback, like and it's
Speaker 5: a tough matchup. It might just go sideways. But I
Speaker 5: hate giving the Falcons four and a half right now
Speaker 5: because I look at the Vikings defense and I think,
Speaker 5: right now that's the best group in this game. The
Speaker 5: Vikings defense is pretty good. It's like a top ten
Speaker 5: DVOA defense. And you got a defense that is different
Speaker 5: than any other. Do you have a coaching staff in
Speaker 5: Atlanta and a quarterback in Atlanta that's gonna be ready
Speaker 5: to deal with all this? Because the forty nine ers
Speaker 5: really weren't. The Packers certainly weren't. I could absolutely see
Speaker 5: Tyler Heineke like turning it over four times and the
Speaker 5: Vikings feeling pretty great and winning this game, like if
Speaker 5: Jaron Hall gives them anything.
Speaker 3: So I don't like four and a half at all.
Speaker 5: I think I'm gonna pick the Vikings to win this
Speaker 5: game on game debut, and not that that matters here,
Speaker 5: but I just feel better. I think they're good. I
Speaker 5: think they're good the Vikings, so I don't know, we'll
Speaker 5: see about it.
Speaker 3: Their defense is getting better.
Speaker 5: I don't know a lot of it was Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 5: You're right, he really was playing like a top three quarterback.
Speaker 5: But I just think they've got something going here.
Speaker 4: One thing Dan, because it's it's not that it looked good,
Speaker 4: but they had Ridder throw the ball in five five
Speaker 4: of these games thirty one times, thirty two, thirty seven,
Speaker 4: thirty eight, and forty seven. So it's like that's kind
Speaker 4: of what you'd want Taylor Heineke to do, and like
Speaker 4: you're just hoping it's a better verse.
Speaker 3: I don't like. I don't like that against Minnesota.
Speaker 5: I think a lot, but they need to get it
Speaker 5: going on the ground and maybe you're right, maybe they can't.
Speaker 5: Even just having a better quarterback to extend drives helps
Speaker 5: the running game because you just get more attempts at it.
Speaker 2: And asking, you know, after your quarterbacks inability to protect
Speaker 2: the ball, being like, oh, we got to fix this
Speaker 2: by turning to Tailor Heinike. That's not necessarily going to
Speaker 2: end well, but in general they had to go.
Speaker 3: Oh they had to do it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just feel like Heinekey is going to be a
Speaker 2: more professional option.
Speaker 5: Just feels very Falcony week. Then lose this game after
Speaker 5: all that. That's all I'm saying. Falcons fans know what
Speaker 5: I'm talking.
Speaker 2: All right, my second game will be sorry Mark Hampa
Speaker 2: Bay here.
Speaker 1: I kind of the Texans.
Speaker 2: I still I know I'm supposed to like watching the
Speaker 2: textan it's not there for me.
Speaker 4: And I looked at every game, Yeah, and I found
Speaker 4: a problem with every game. Yeah, I'll pick your problem.
Speaker 1: I'll go with A.
Speaker 2: I'll go with a gallery of the grotesque here, let's
Speaker 2: go with the Giants at the Raiders because I want
Speaker 2: to pair. I'm definitely watching Cowboys Eagles, so let's pair
Speaker 2: with A. It's like a Sovin Blanc, Well, you know
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it, and then I'm gonna have like
Speaker 2: an Ecto cooler and it's gonna be Giants coming off.
Speaker 2: I mean again, as I was saying in the text
Speaker 2: thread with my New York friends who are virtually all
Speaker 2: Giants fans, I'm calling it the ninety nine percent game.
Speaker 2: When the Giants had the ninety nine percent chance to
Speaker 2: win on Sunday.
Speaker 3: You must be a delight on that.
Speaker 1: Oh wonderful.
Speaker 2: But trust me, being the Jet fan in a world
Speaker 2: of Giants fans has been a difficult run for about
Speaker 2: forty years. So the Giants fans can deal with that.
Speaker 2: You lose the ninety nine percent game, and now you
Speaker 2: get the Raiders. And it's interesting that the Raiders are
Speaker 2: favored by point and a half with all of their
Speaker 2: misery right now, all of their dysfunction, the fact that
Speaker 2: Aidan O'Connell is the new quarterback, and you could say,
Speaker 2: well that that could be better, and I believe it,
Speaker 2: so I don't. I wish I could cite who the
Speaker 2: report was. There was a report out there that the
Speaker 2: announcement was made of Jimmy g has been benched. Aidan
Speaker 2: O'Connell is going in and someone within the team was like, well,
Speaker 2: that makes sense, he's the best quarterback on the team.
Speaker 2: There was a general vibe, and I think there were
Speaker 2: some whispers from our insiders that in general, the idea
Speaker 2: of Garoppolo as QB one always wasn't clicking behind the scenes,
Speaker 2: that he just wasn't playing well, whether it was in
Speaker 2: training camp, in practices, and certainly.
Speaker 5: Probably a bad sign when you have to have surgery
Speaker 5: on your foot before you've ever taken a snap and
Speaker 5: you had to like move things around because you couldn't
Speaker 5: pass a physical right and then you hurt your back,
Speaker 5: I think that's a good sign.
Speaker 2: In retrospect, it was a total doom scenario and the
Speaker 2: fact that it was like, oh, Josh McDaniels needs to
Speaker 2: be reunited with Jimmy G. All that stuff is gone,
Speaker 2: so it makes sense Jimmy G, by the way, is
Speaker 2: going to get the same exact situation.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: You will not see him again because the reason they
Speaker 2: made card disappear last year's last two weeks is they
Speaker 2: didn't want to trigger the guaranteed money the injury designation
Speaker 2: there and Jimmy G is the most frougient quarterback in
Speaker 2: the league. So he's gone and they're gonna get rid
Speaker 2: of him at the end of the year. So it's
Speaker 2: Aidan O'Connell against the Giants. I didn't fork the Giants
Speaker 2: a couple weeks ago after that Jets loss.
Speaker 3: That's tough, tough sitch, tough beat.
Speaker 2: But now you've got the number seven seed for instances
Speaker 2: the Vikings, who are a team that's obviously on life support.
Speaker 1: I like the Giants in this game.
Speaker 5: I think it's the fired coach principle. That's why the
Speaker 5: Raiders are.
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't even know what is that for people?
Speaker 5: Well, the Spice Rack is the number one proponent of this,
Speaker 5: just that the record of interim head coaches in their
Speaker 5: first game is extraordinary.
Speaker 3: Actually curious to see what the point is on that.
Speaker 3: But it feels like.
Speaker 5: All the Raiders are suddenly gonna play play harder this week.
Speaker 5: I actually believe that's possible, you know, with McDaniels out
Speaker 5: of the building, Daniel dot Jones probably returning for this game.
Speaker 5: I think it's a big nine games for him. I
Speaker 5: think it's a big nine games for Evan Neil, who
Speaker 5: might be coming back. They might get Andrew Thomas Beck
Speaker 5: I mean, this is about evaluation for the Giants. Evan
Speaker 5: Neil is kind of skirted without much attention, as you know,
Speaker 5: one of the most disappointing Top ten picks in the
Speaker 5: last few years. He's really struggled, and so you got
Speaker 5: to protect Danny Dimes if he does come back.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's I'm not sure he is expected to
Speaker 5: come back, to be clear, Like you've.
Speaker 3: Got Max Crosby in this game.
Speaker 4: The last time we saw Daniel Jones, he was getting
Speaker 4: absolutely blistered and was happening week after week, and it's like,
Speaker 4: you're not going to fix this Giant's offensive line. They
Speaker 4: all if you take away that thirty one points they
Speaker 4: scored against the Cardinals, they already are last in scoring.
Speaker 4: They averaged nine point one points per game. And I
Speaker 4: know it's like it's a soup of issues. But like everything,
Speaker 4: the shine that was on Brian Dable a year ago
Speaker 4: is completely off. It's like I don't see a well
Speaker 4: coached team. And I've been higher on them a year ago,
Speaker 4: and I know they've had injuries, but every team has
Speaker 4: banged up also, league.
Speaker 2: They were an impossible sit and it was from a
Speaker 2: team building situation. It was on them, but the fact
Speaker 2: that their third string quarterback they couldn't even trust him
Speaker 2: to pass the way I point to the rest of
Speaker 2: the season though, But what I well, I guess what
Speaker 2: I'm saying is like, if you have that Tommy DeVito
Speaker 2: disaster set up, I will give the offensive line credit
Speaker 2: that the Jets, who are very good defense, knew he
Speaker 2: couldn't run the ball, they couldn't throw the ball, and
Speaker 2: he's still and this is a credit to Saquon too.
Speaker 2: They still went over like one hundred and twenty five
Speaker 2: yards rushing, so that there's some credit to be had there.
Speaker 2: I think it's also interesting that they were being so
Speaker 2: careful with Daniel Jones and then after the DeVito nightmare,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it'say, yep, now you're in. You're
Speaker 2: back in. We'll see if he's healthy. But it's it's
Speaker 2: a game. It's a it's a curiosity.
Speaker 1: Put it that way. And one last thing here, no
Speaker 1: revenge game for Darren Waller.
Speaker 2: He is out. It sounds like multiple weeks with that
Speaker 2: hamstring injury. All right, Greg, you're up.
Speaker 5: I'm going to take a ram that Packers. This is
Speaker 5: where we're at. Halfway in favorites for the Packers. If
Speaker 5: I have a great early game, I want one that
Speaker 5: doesn't get needed full attention, and that's the Rams that
Speaker 5: the Packers. Unfortunately, right now, Packers one of the worst
Speaker 5: teams in the NFL. And uh, there's some optimism since
Speaker 5: we last talk about Matthew Stafford in the sense that
Speaker 5: I think, whatever the worst case scenario him going on
Speaker 5: injured reserve, that's not happening.
Speaker 3: He didn't practice Wednesday. They're not ruling them out.
Speaker 5: They tried to sign John Wolford in between, and so
Speaker 5: they got John Wolford paid because then the Bucks were like,
Speaker 5: we're not letting you take so they elevated him to
Speaker 5: the active roster.
Speaker 4: Didn't Wolford say he didn't want to go to the Rams.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that part. But you didn't argue.
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess you know you moved like you
Speaker 4: probably got kids in school. It's like, I don't want
Speaker 4: to go back to the Rams. That really I don't
Speaker 4: think right now, but I don't think you have a choice. Anyways,
Speaker 4: I know you don't have a choice. If the Bucks
Speaker 4: wanted to keep them, they can keep them, so they did. Anyways,
Speaker 4: it just shows where the Rams are at in terms
Speaker 4: of their backup that it's gonna be Brett Ripping most likely,
Speaker 4: although it sounds like Stafford, you know, could push and
Speaker 4: try to play if they did. I think if he did,
Speaker 4: you know, I would I would like them in this game,
Speaker 4: not because I would like any question Packers. The Packers
Speaker 4: are maybe the worst team in the NFL. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 4: they're possibly, They're in the mix. Their defense is terrible too. Mark,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna ask you a question.
Speaker 2: Because we know each other very well and the various
Speaker 2: things that make us tick as football fans and observers.
Speaker 3: You could say a lot here.
Speaker 2: You were exhausted by the Packers in the Aaron Rodgers era,
Speaker 2: and then you said repeatedly that you felt revitalized in
Speaker 2: terms of watching the Packers now that there's new blood
Speaker 2: there and Jordan Love. Do you still enjoy watching these Packers?
Speaker 2: Does it give you any juice? Or are you now
Speaker 2: spowered on them?
Speaker 3: Not in the least.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think I think any human would
Speaker 4: have a similar response. Packers fans especially are not enjoying
Speaker 4: the experience. I think it's like pretty telling that Goody
Speaker 4: talked pretty openly about the fact that like the rest
Speaker 4: of the season was kind of like, you know, support,
Speaker 4: we support Jordan Love, but a bit of a referendum
Speaker 4: on where they go. It's like, this may not be
Speaker 4: a multiple year situation with Jordan Love.
Speaker 5: I think they're weirdly, even the Love is their guy
Speaker 5: and they gave them a two year contract, but they.
Speaker 3: Can get out of it.
Speaker 5: Weirdly, Jordan Love's taking a lot of the heat that
Speaker 5: Goody and Lafleur should be taking because, like you put
Speaker 5: it all on Jordan Love. They put so many resources
Speaker 5: into that defense. They're twenty eighth in DVA, they are
Speaker 5: dead last and plays per drive allowed.
Speaker 3: They just can't get off the field.
Speaker 5: Okay, so you're gonna play very safe on defense and
Speaker 5: let them go. Well, the second part of that is
Speaker 5: that we'll make some turnovers because we're keeping them. You know,
Speaker 5: we're keeping our eyes on the quarterback. They're terrible at
Speaker 5: making any big plays. And that's all Lafleur and that's
Speaker 5: all Goody. They brought back Joe Berry. That's where they
Speaker 5: put their draft picks. They did all of this. Those
Speaker 5: are their decisions. They're just as disappointing, if not more
Speaker 5: on defense, I would say that offense. So it's it's
Speaker 5: on the coach and it's on the GM more than
Speaker 5: it is on Jordan Love, who's not playing well either.
Speaker 2: On here, Love ranks last rate among the thirty two
Speaker 2: qualified quarterbacks. He's even behind Zach Wilson. The Packers rank
Speaker 2: twenty fifth in total yards per game, they're twenty first
Speaker 2: and passing yards per game. And I didn't really love
Speaker 2: some of the reporting, or I should say, the headline
Speaker 2: writing around Guda Kuntz.
Speaker 1: Where's the Brian Guda kuntzk theme song? By the way,
Speaker 1: I haven't heard.
Speaker 5: That one, it's been a while. That's more of a
Speaker 5: like a spicy best it is Germany.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what gives it a little pathos
Speaker 2: when when there's bad things happening as well, there's that
Speaker 2: edge to that. Yeah, there's a little bit of anger
Speaker 2: and angst to this anthem there. It was kind of
Speaker 2: reported that the Packers are not sure if Jordan loves
Speaker 2: the answer, and we kind of know that. But I
Speaker 2: think what he did say, like these next ten games
Speaker 2: or whatever are very important, like so that is I
Speaker 2: don't think it's as silacious as maybe it could be presented,
Speaker 2: but it makes sense like he needs to show more
Speaker 2: than he's shown. Certainly in the last five weeks or so,
Speaker 2: it started out pretty well.
Speaker 5: And if they're really gone off a cliff, yeah, if
Speaker 5: the Rams want to be one of those teams that
Speaker 5: could get in the seventh Mix, which they could with
Speaker 5: I think a healthy Stafford, you got to win this game,
Speaker 5: find a way, even with Brett Rippon.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't rule it.
Speaker 2: Out getting that three and a half. Your boy, Adam
Speaker 2: A mean is on that one. By the way, Gregg's boy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, is he the and he's buried guys outa that Spurouditus.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, I'm.
Speaker 5: Sorry, but we like Adam I mean sure, Chicago guy,
Speaker 5: all right, I think he does the bulls Mark, I'm
Speaker 5: all over the league pass.
Speaker 1: Good job, bud uh Mark, you're up.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: It would be disingenuous if I had picked a game
Speaker 4: that I thought would be entertaining for you to skip
Speaker 4: it myself. So I'm gonna go Tampa Bay at Houston.
Speaker 1: And this is Texans by two and a half.
Speaker 4: And for the reason I mentioned the CJ. Stroud factor here,
Speaker 4: I think he struggled last week. Carolina made things difficult
Speaker 4: for him. He still does things.
Speaker 2: What I'm just saying, don't let Cardinals Browns get back
Speaker 2: to me on the draft because I will.
Speaker 3: Take Yeah, that's it? Is it that? Actually?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot of really disastro stuff happening there.
Speaker 4: But I have this is a snake draft for me,
Speaker 4: so I could pick it next.
Speaker 3: Oh good point, But he's sent a warning to you.
Speaker 1: I mean, can make a trade offer to move up
Speaker 1: in front of you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd let you do that.
Speaker 1: No, I'm just kidding a right.
Speaker 4: Anyways, Well, I I like love the idea of let's
Speaker 4: see c J. Stroud bounce back against a good Bucks
Speaker 4: defense that probably will just completely shut down the run.
Speaker 3: They've been doing that all year.
Speaker 4: Uh, Todd Bowles has them blitzing at the third highest rates.
Speaker 4: So you know last week that caused some problems for Stroud.
Speaker 4: I thought that, like if beyond the Bryce Young development,
Speaker 4: where he played, you know, I thought better than he
Speaker 4: had any time this season. It's like week after week
Speaker 4: with Will Anderson, they've got guys like Jonathan Grenard blowing
Speaker 4: up plays. Last week, Blake Cashman did a lot. It's
Speaker 4: like this is a strange, a bit of a strange defense,
Speaker 4: but I think Demiko Ryans and if you've Bobby Slowick
Speaker 4: as well, like this coaching staff has made a lot
Speaker 4: of a lot of difference here and I give them
Speaker 4: a chance every week, and I still eye them as
Speaker 4: a potential team of ATEN because of that, well I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't think team of eighten is happening, although unless
Speaker 5: something pops up, I guess just like in November, all right,
Speaker 5: well we.
Speaker 3: Won't be doing that.
Speaker 4: But in my mind, like they're the they're the team
Speaker 4: I kind of like watching as a second game each week,
Speaker 4: so to the Houston Tucks to.
Speaker 3: See both three and four.
Speaker 5: To me, this is a do you want to be
Speaker 5: part of the season bawl And I hope the Texans
Speaker 5: win because they would be a more interesting team I
Speaker 5: think to be part of the season. When we were
Speaker 5: in high school, I now feel bad about this, but
Speaker 5: thinking about there was a group of intuage of individuals
Speaker 5: that were called like the just their gymnasts.
Speaker 3: And uh it was in Dan's parlance.
Speaker 5: They weren't really putting anything on the table, but they
Speaker 5: weren't taking anything off.
Speaker 3: They were just their gymnasts.
Speaker 5: The Bucks are the most just there is this there
Speaker 5: were socially amnastics.
Speaker 3: I guess they were just sort of they were there.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they were known.
Speaker 5: I don't think it was something that was voiced, you know, widely,
Speaker 5: But I don't know if they were just sort of
Speaker 5: like they were just kind of like there.
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, yeah, the gymnasts, they kind of they're
Speaker 3: the crew.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever actually shared this on
Speaker 2: the show before, and I think it would be helpful
Speaker 2: to the audience because I think it offers clarity in
Speaker 2: terms of you looked above a coal mine a social circle.
Speaker 1: No, this has nothing to do with that. Okay, there
Speaker 1: are three types of people.
Speaker 2: In the world, and I want to give credit speaking
Speaker 2: of coal mine, Brian Patterson, wherever you are. But this
Speaker 2: was Brian Patterson's theory back in pro Rover. There are
Speaker 2: people that they sit at the table. You're at the table.
Speaker 2: You sit at the table, and they're bringing things.
Speaker 1: To the table.
Speaker 2: Oh, here comes a turkey who likes burritos, who needs
Speaker 2: a drink, I'll get you something. Then there are people
Speaker 2: like the gymnasts of West Massachusetts that are just sitting
Speaker 2: at the table and they're not taking anything off the table. No,
Speaker 2: but they're not really adding anything, but they're there, and
Speaker 2: you don't really have an issue unless there are people
Speaker 2: that bring things to the table that could be sitting there.
Speaker 2: But then people just that are bringing crowd. But then
Speaker 2: there's the people that you got to get out of
Speaker 2: your life, the people that take things from the table.
Speaker 3: Energy people.
Speaker 1: Where where's the salt shaker that's missing? Where's the ketchup?
Speaker 1: Are missing the cutlery?
Speaker 2: Like, some people are just taking things off the table,
Speaker 2: And those are the people you got to take out
Speaker 2: of your life. So if you're lucky, you have a
Speaker 2: lot of people that bring things to the table and
Speaker 2: you got a feast. But if you got you got
Speaker 2: things missing on the table all of a sudden reevaluate
Speaker 2: who's sitting at your table.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a percentage game.
Speaker 4: If you remove all the takers, then all you're dealing
Speaker 4: with are the givers, and that that middle of the
Speaker 4: road groups.
Speaker 5: I don't I still don't understand the are the bucks,
Speaker 5: are the jumps best their gymnasts? But I like this,
Speaker 5: I I I think I heard I heard this were
Speaker 5: bullied by Greg.
Speaker 4: Steam or just like yeah you were you were you
Speaker 4: were putting the entire gymnastics team into this bland.
Speaker 2: Yes, come for Greg gymnasts, just like a little only
Speaker 2: more confusing.
Speaker 3: But it led to to, uh, yeah, I enjoyed that.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed. I'm with you.
Speaker 5: I think I heard Spencer Hall, Who's great on Wamani
Speaker 5: Jones podcast this week, say, if someone walks into the
Speaker 5: room and in size heavily, that's the person you gotta
Speaker 5: work work, worry about, you know, And that's who's you know.
Speaker 3: They sigh heavyly.
Speaker 5: They immediately are trying to take control of the emotions
Speaker 5: of the entire you know room.
Speaker 4: I mean, I can I think of a couple of
Speaker 4: shadowy League figures from our past that will like walk
Speaker 4: in a room forty minutes, lay to a meeting and
Speaker 4: flip the lights on.
Speaker 3: Oh now you're here. Here it comes.
Speaker 5: I'm immediately going to try to get rid of my
Speaker 5: bad energy onto you.
Speaker 3: I actually like that person that you're referring to, but action.
Speaker 2: I like him, But that was more like that's a
Speaker 2: corporate leverpool. And I could think of a lot Tommy
Speaker 2: Lee Jones where you need him. Nowhere's move on, all right, Mark,
Speaker 2: it's back to you. All right, I'll take I'll take
Speaker 2: the Cardinals at Cleveland. Cardinals are getting eight points in
Speaker 2: this not surprisingly. I mean it's like, here's the thing.
Speaker 2: There is a world where it's Clayton Tune versus PJ.
Speaker 1: Walker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's still.
Speaker 4: Where there is a potential world where it could possibly
Speaker 4: and it seems unlikely, but it could possibly be Kyler
Speaker 4: Murray versus Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 5: It's most according to reports, it's most likely Clayton Tune
Speaker 5: versus Deshaun Watson because Watson as practice, he says he
Speaker 5: feels good. He doesn't want to commit, but it sounds
Speaker 5: like there's progress and and it sounds positive.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you know, for me, like Clayton Tune
Speaker 4: put into a tough spot here. They're missing parts on
Speaker 4: their offense to begin with. They weren't a great offense
Speaker 4: to start, and you're gonna go against in Cleveland. There's
Speaker 4: gonna be some weather here against the Miles Garrett led
Speaker 4: defense that nearly beat the Saints a week ago with
Speaker 4: some incredible plays. Uh, And like, how are simply trying
Speaker 4: to survive the PJ Walker experience? He has nine turnover
Speaker 4: worthy plays every game. And it's like, I think it's
Speaker 4: like we watch PJ Walker, like, you can tell this
Speaker 4: guy cares, he's plugged in.
Speaker 5: But all that's that's not good enough. That's all fine though,
Speaker 5: but that's the offense has been okay, like this game,
Speaker 5: the running game has.
Speaker 3: Been good, I know, but I'm just not. I'm not.
Speaker 4: I think a week ago I would have been saying
Speaker 4: that and he and that's all true, and djok who's
Speaker 4: been been good as well, but like you can't look
Speaker 4: past what PJ Walker has cost them. I think they
Speaker 4: have two more wins with some of the gaffs taken away.
Speaker 5: And that's not like why not to take which games
Speaker 5: Seattle about? They won his other games?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm saying PJ Walker's cat, like.
Speaker 1: Are we in the greg PJ Walker?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 5: My point is they had three hundred and eighty five
Speaker 5: yards last week. They gave up three sixty two. I
Speaker 5: didn't look at that and say, like the defense is
Speaker 5: totally carrying. Of course the defense is better, but the
Speaker 5: offense did more positive things in Seattle than I would
Speaker 5: have expected.
Speaker 4: I think they're they're not defunct offense, but it's like
Speaker 4: PJ Walker, they're living on the edge with pgs.
Speaker 5: But he hasn't cost them wins, is my point, because
Speaker 5: he's played it last Winds, yes, last week.
Speaker 2: And this is a team that's gonna need all the
Speaker 2: wins they can get when they're trying to squeeze in
Speaker 2: to the playoff picture. And the longer he plays, the
Speaker 2: more games he's gonna eventually cost them.
Speaker 3: Now six weeks from Watson's injury, and so that was.
Speaker 1: Right, and that's.
Speaker 2: The impossible situation with the Browns right now, because you know,
Speaker 2: Walker is a guy that's not gonna win games, and
Speaker 2: and you know what, oh no, no, agree, But now
Speaker 2: you're waiting on Watson to come back. And Watson wasn't
Speaker 2: that good before he got hurt, and now we don't
Speaker 2: know what his health is, so they're kind of caught
Speaker 2: in purgatory. And oh, by the way, Bradley Chubb is
Speaker 2: rehabbing a horrific knee injury. So they the fact that
Speaker 2: their defense is being asked to do so much week
Speaker 2: to week when they when they let down as it
Speaker 2: did for parts of the Seattle game, that makes it
Speaker 2: very difficult and that we'll see.
Speaker 1: What they can do going forward.
Speaker 4: But against Clayton too, it kind of caught the PFF's
Speaker 4: thirty second ranked passing attack and a year ago with
Speaker 4: Jacoby Brissett, who is a higher quality backup obviously, like
Speaker 4: you saw Stefanski coach him up.
Speaker 3: I think Stefanski's out of.
Speaker 4: Turns with this passing game, like there's just not much
Speaker 4: he can well Watson a little plays here and there.
Speaker 3: Watson took half those snaps.
Speaker 5: So I think they have a lot of potential because
Speaker 5: they're four and three, they've got Clayton tune. Most likely
Speaker 5: this week, they should be able to get to five
Speaker 5: and three. I would expect good spot. I think Watson
Speaker 5: maybe saw, oh we got Arizona. No, let schedule, let's
Speaker 5: get back on the on the field here. But that
Speaker 5: shouldn't dictate anything. No, I know, I'm joking there. I
Speaker 5: just think they are in a good spot to get
Speaker 5: to five and three despite having one good Deshaun Watson
Speaker 5: game and no Nick Chubb. Yeah, to me, that's actually
Speaker 5: room for Okay, we we could do something here.
Speaker 1: That's what makes it so frustrating what happened inint the Seahawks.
Speaker 4: Well they had that game, it stands out. But that's
Speaker 4: fine if those things happen. But I think you're right, Greg,
Speaker 4: Like they're all around the roster. There are positives. It's
Speaker 4: just like you're trying to survive. Even the run game's
Speaker 4: gotten a little better last few weeks, So what is there?
Speaker 2: They traded people Jones at the people Jones at the deadline,
Speaker 2: and you know, I like that David and Joku mark
Speaker 2: nice game many times. Nice game, and he played really
Speaker 2: well on Sunday. Elijah Moore hasn't popped for them. Like,
Speaker 2: who is there, Amaris? What's going on with their wide
Speaker 2: receiver group right now? Because even when Deshaun Watson comes back,
Speaker 2: what's going on with this passing game?
Speaker 4: I think Amari Cooper's has made plays in every single game.
Speaker 3: And like, I mean, like, who's their number two guy
Speaker 3: right now? Who's that guy?
Speaker 4: I think it's Na Joku. I mean from a tight
Speaker 4: end position, Elijah Moore. They've probably wanted someone like David
Speaker 4: Bell for two years in a row to step up
Speaker 4: and do more.
Speaker 1: They don't.
Speaker 4: I thought the trade was just a little mysterious, but
Speaker 4: that's what I mean. I mean, but Dom and Jones
Speaker 4: had eight catches, so they don't really they don't really
Speaker 4: have a clear cut third guy.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's uh take a break and then we will
Speaker 2: finish a draft. All right, we're back homestretch, GREGI your
Speaker 2: last pick. Oh need a late game, So I guess
Speaker 2: I'm taking Colts Panthers. Funny how the draft works, Uh,
Speaker 2: not bad?
Speaker 5: The Frank revenge game, now, sure, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think that could absolutely qualify this.
Speaker 3: How about the Bryce Young breakout game?
Speaker 5: Okay, I would like that the Colts defense does tend
Speaker 5: to help opposing quarterbacks. Like I've been saying it on
Speaker 5: the pod for a while that I just think he's
Speaker 5: getting steadily better. Took too many sacks last week against
Speaker 5: the Texans price Young, that is, but made a number
Speaker 5: of good throws too. He just looks like I know,
Speaker 5: he's so small that he doesn't look like a lot
Speaker 5: of NFL quarterbacks. But we've seen a lot of quarterbacks
Speaker 5: come into the league and they just don't belong.
Speaker 3: And to me, he belongs.
Speaker 5: And I think it's it's clear, like compared to a
Speaker 5: Zach Wilson or even a Mac Jones, Like I just
Speaker 5: see it, and I think he's gonna be Okay, Now,
Speaker 5: is he gonna be a huge difference maker? We'll have
Speaker 5: to find out over the next few years. They did
Speaker 5: make some big changes in Carolina. I thought coming out
Speaker 5: of the bye, they bet they straight out bench Miles Sanders,
Speaker 5: so it's a Chewba Hubbard and black Sheer running backfield
Speaker 5: with the Sanders in the third spot, and then they
Speaker 5: bench Hayden Hurst and Tommy Trumple played some.
Speaker 3: At least they're trying some different things.
Speaker 5: They're playing some younger players, and I think they went
Speaker 5: with kind of Thomas Brown the new play color his
Speaker 5: guys and they have a little bit of vibes after
Speaker 5: the first week.
Speaker 4: Young made some passes last week that turned me into
Speaker 4: a believer a little bit, or I was before.
Speaker 3: I just wasn't sure.
Speaker 4: But I will say this, like he got hit a lot,
Speaker 4: but he took a beating he did, but you know what,
Speaker 4: he showed some real I thought he was just showed
Speaker 4: some toughness, like he just kept getting back up. And
Speaker 4: maybe if you're like everyone's always talking about how small
Speaker 4: he is, he's.
Speaker 5: Kind of just like he took a ton of hits
Speaker 5: in college in the SEC like people kind of showed
Speaker 5: themselves when and I'm not not a big college guy,
Speaker 5: but when I eventually went back to do the studies, like, well,
Speaker 5: you know, he was in front of the Alabama offensive line. No,
Speaker 5: they stunk last year, Like he got brutalized up front,
Speaker 5: and so he's got to hit a lot.
Speaker 3: We'll see.
Speaker 5: The Colts running game, though, was still the best thing
Speaker 5: in this game. Even one of the reasons I kind
Speaker 5: of like as the late game is give me some
Speaker 5: Jonathan Taylor versus one of the worst run defenses in
Speaker 5: the league.
Speaker 2: He got one carry, I think with like thirteen minutes
Speaker 2: to play, he got his final carry and then they
Speaker 2: just didn't use him in their loss to the Saints
Speaker 2: for the rest of the game as a ball carrier.
Speaker 2: So I think Zach Moss has been, you know, a surprise,
Speaker 2: pleasant surprise for them. But I think it's time to
Speaker 2: stop being so cute about how much they're using Zach
Speaker 2: Moss than down the stretch.
Speaker 3: Colts. Uh, well, they didn't have the ball a ton,
Speaker 3: but the year Zach Moss quite a bit.
Speaker 5: It was partly like it kept coming up in short yardage,
Speaker 5: and he is pretty great in short yards.
Speaker 3: The Colts are favored by you, by the way, Jonathan Taylor, right.
Speaker 5: He They've been answering these questions all weeks, so they're
Speaker 5: going to give him.
Speaker 2: The boy meant about it, just just you know, do
Speaker 2: what makes sense, common sense. By the way, the last
Speaker 2: three games and before Anthony Richardson got hurt, I really
Speaker 2: loved the Colts as a team of atl Nominee Gardner
Speaker 2: Minshew's fun. But the defense has got to be better.
Speaker 2: I mean, if if the Bryce Young breakout game. These
Speaker 2: last three weeks at Jacksonville, they gave up thirty seven
Speaker 2: against the Browns, thirty eight against the Saints thirty.
Speaker 3: Eight, So it's there for Bryce to have. Farious Minshew's
Speaker 3: been a huge part of that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like a turnover worthy that's giving them a ton
Speaker 5: of extra possess.
Speaker 2: That's fair, that's fair. But you know, I just feel
Speaker 2: like at home, this would be a nice Bryce Young story. Yeah,
Speaker 2: win a couple games three, you know, count for three
Speaker 2: touchdowns and get people excited down there.
Speaker 5: Well, in the fact they don't have their own pick
Speaker 5: at Chicago's pick, I really feel like it's just gonna
Speaker 5: make it feel weightier that this that they traded all
Speaker 5: this for Bryce Young.
Speaker 2: By the way, at Chicago next week, pinch me, all right,
Speaker 2: I close it out.
Speaker 1: I have like four hundred games in the early window.
Speaker 1: Let's go with.
Speaker 2: Just out of spite, I'm gonna put the Patriots last
Speaker 2: Grec Bears at Saints.
Speaker 1: Bears a Saints.
Speaker 2: That's an exciting selection to Saints by eight and a half,
Speaker 2: Saints eight and a half points. And you know what,
Speaker 2: I think that's fair because I like the way this
Speaker 2: offense looked. I mean it was we talked about it,
Speaker 2: the best version of their offense all season by far.
Speaker 2: And I like the idea of keeping keeping Taysom Hill involved.
Speaker 2: Alvin Kamara has really kind of shown signs of life.
Speaker 2: He's been a touch monster for them. He's really the
Speaker 2: focal point of the offense. Greg One thing I want
Speaker 2: to get eyes on here, your boy offense or the
Speaker 2: offensive player of your prediction, Chris.
Speaker 3: Lave where has he been?
Speaker 5: Has been in that off same page of Derek Carr
Speaker 5: making big drops in his own head, getting arrested, being
Speaker 5: kind of the main character and in the spotlight in
Speaker 5: a way that he's probably never been in his whole career.
Speaker 5: It's not necessary really handling it well. I think the
Speaker 5: arrest was for driving reckless, driving over the speed.
Speaker 2: He is since week four and he started out great
Speaker 2: when we were talking about that. He was averaging over
Speaker 2: seven catches one hundred yards a game the first three weeks,
Speaker 2: the last three weeks four and a half catches game
Speaker 2: forty three yards.
Speaker 3: He's not getting the end zone, and neither is Michael Thomas.
Speaker 2: By the way, there's a disconnect in terms of red
Speaker 2: zone with those wide receivers, which is why it's so
Speaker 2: important Greg that Alvin Kamara, who found the end zone
Speaker 2: twice once as a rusher once is a receiver last week,
Speaker 2: gets that mojo back and Taysom Hills stays in the
Speaker 2: mix because he's another guy that has a nose for
Speaker 2: the end zone.
Speaker 1: That helps him so much.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when I made that list of who could realistically
Speaker 5: win the Super Bowl, I did not include any teams
Speaker 5: from the NFC South.
Speaker 3: I feel good about that. But this is a big game.
Speaker 5: I think for the Saints to build on the most
Speaker 5: positive offensive performance in years for them and just take
Speaker 5: care of business and beat the Bears and keep it
Speaker 5: going because they have dudes. Shaheed's a dude. Kamara I
Speaker 5: think is better. He's not the old Kamara, but he's
Speaker 5: still a plus starter. And even Michael Thomas uh is,
Speaker 5: you know, playing well despite what Kamara, did you guys
Speaker 5: hear about this called.
Speaker 3: I I can't you know this, this goes on fast.
Speaker 3: I can't say it, but you know the s word bug.
Speaker 3: He said.
Speaker 5: Everyone last week was taking ivs because the diarrhea was
Speaker 5: just running through the whole team. They said, it's such
Speaker 5: a bad Camara said it. I think it's going to
Speaker 5: bring them together as a team that they overcame this.
Speaker 1: And you can also just say stomach bug and people
Speaker 1: are like, okay, we got.
Speaker 3: I know, but that's what That's what Camara said.
Speaker 5: This was every Yeah, this was before and during at
Speaker 5: halftime they were taking IV's. They had no fluid. It
Speaker 5: was happening every week. Then, yes, it led to a
Speaker 5: great performance.
Speaker 2: It's sneaky, like one of the worst parts of being
Speaker 2: a human. And I'm glad they're passed it.
Speaker 5: Past Rash needs to be a little better, but it
Speaker 5: should be again.
Speaker 3: We are getting Beijing again.
Speaker 4: All right about Montes Sweat, is you gonna play much
Speaker 4: in this? I kind of like the idea of throwing
Speaker 4: him in there againstuff. Yeah, I mean like the Saints
Speaker 4: offensive line, which is like, I mean.
Speaker 5: It's not like you're playing quarterback. You gotta figure out
Speaker 5: you know, certain Russia, you know certain you know what,
Speaker 5: I like loops and whatnot.
Speaker 3: But he can go out there. You know.
Speaker 2: I like if you got the Saints defense and fantasy
Speaker 2: fire him up because you might get a twenty five
Speaker 2: point effort from them.
Speaker 1: I think this is gonna be ugly. Saints roll all right. Finally,
Speaker 1: Commander's at Patriots.
Speaker 2: Patriots are favored by three points in this ballgame the Commanders.
Speaker 1: A couple of things going on with the Commanders.
Speaker 2: Obviously, they just traded away their too top edge rushers,
Speaker 2: so that's interesting. They are looking ahead to a future
Speaker 2: that might not include even their head coach, so they're
Speaker 2: in a tricky spot. Also, Sam Howell pretty much balled
Speaker 2: out against the Eagles and kept them in that game
Speaker 2: and made that just a really interesting fun game. So
Speaker 2: he has been you know, I feel like on balance,
Speaker 2: there's been some lows. I think there was a five
Speaker 2: interception game against the Bills. But I think he's been
Speaker 2: a little bit. He's been better than I expected, So
Speaker 2: I think I'm not saying he's the future.
Speaker 1: I think, just like what you're hearing out of Green.
Speaker 2: Bay, I think the next ten games are incredibly or
Speaker 2: nine games are incredibly important for Sam Howe to give
Speaker 2: himself a chance to be a part of the future
Speaker 2: here and the Patriots mark we mentioned it, Kendrick Bourne,
Speaker 2: who's really their only playmaker of note, at least in
Speaker 2: the passing game. He's out for the Earth and ACL
Speaker 2: So they're in virtual must win territory here because you
Speaker 2: get the Commanders. Let's talk about it, Greg, the Patriots
Speaker 2: as a team that fashions himself playing December football at matters.
Speaker 2: You got to beat the Commanders this week at home.
Speaker 2: You got to beat the Colts next week at home
Speaker 2: and going to your bye with a chance, and it's
Speaker 2: on tap.
Speaker 5: You've talked about their season as if it's still meaningful
Speaker 5: in a way that I don't think they're doing even
Speaker 5: in Foxboro.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying those are winnable games there, we've
Speaker 1: ched them.
Speaker 2: Sure, Can they be I'm not saying winnable, but they're
Speaker 2: not Titanic situation?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 3: Can they be bad teams?
Speaker 5: Can Belichick still do the thing where he takes advantage
Speaker 5: of an inexperienced quarterback.
Speaker 3: I guess you find those out.
Speaker 5: But I have a hard time with the Patriots favored
Speaker 5: over anyone I'm actually surprised because I look at these
Speaker 5: two teams and I think, well, the Commanders are a
Speaker 5: better team. They've been, their ups have been way higher.
Speaker 5: I mean, i'd take Sam Howell over Mac Jones right now.
Speaker 5: I don't even think that's higher upside A question in
Speaker 5: terms of his high level play. I've liked what I've
Speaker 5: seen out a Christian Barmore, but I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 5: in terms of the Belichick, is he gonna get another
Speaker 5: season or not? These types of games do matter because
Speaker 5: I looked at their schedule. I think of the eight
Speaker 5: first games, you know, five have been against the Bills, Dolphins, Jets,
Speaker 5: and Cowboys, which are you know, four of the better
Speaker 5: best teams in the NFL. And then down the stretch
Speaker 5: they only have like two of those games and now
Speaker 5: they're playing more teams that are closer to their level.
Speaker 3: But I don't assume anything. I think i'd take the Commanders.
Speaker 3: I think you lose Kendrick Bourne.
Speaker 4: They put up two hundred and eighteen total yards a
Speaker 4: week ago, a flurry of three and outs. Mac Jones
Speaker 4: has totally talk about another quarterback. That's like, I don't
Speaker 4: think mac Jones is their starter next year. I mean
Speaker 4: a lot will change between now and then, but this
Speaker 4: is one of the worst teams in the league. And
Speaker 4: if it's so important for Bill Belichick to show something
Speaker 4: tradeline deadline comes and goes and they don't do a
Speaker 4: single thing, I get that probably like this wasn't like
Speaker 4: a hey, we're in buyer's mode. But I just saw
Speaker 4: a team that just like Josh McDaniels out in Vegas,
Speaker 4: which is completely inactive.
Speaker 2: That's kind of why I still don't think he's in danger.
Speaker 2: I think and I think Mac Jones being just the guy,
Speaker 2: a supreme just the guy so far for the most
Speaker 2: part of his career after that first year is like
Speaker 2: help Spelchick, because I think he's going to be the
Speaker 2: guy that goes. And then I think Belichick gets one
Speaker 2: more quarterback to try to do something right.
Speaker 5: Well, we have nine games, if they win, if they
Speaker 5: go four and thirteen, I think Gillfield did.
Speaker 2: But I don't think. I guess I don't think that's
Speaker 2: gonna happen. Yeah, I think that just and yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't think he's Maybe maybe Belichick's not the same coach
Speaker 2: he was, but I don't think he's like a liability.
Speaker 3: I think he will game win games like this.
Speaker 2: I think he'll win at least one of these games,
Speaker 2: and maybe both, and they're gonna end up winning around
Speaker 2: six or so.
Speaker 5: Well, then they should put up some points, because to me,
Speaker 5: this season is in terms of the commanders being disappointed
Speaker 5: is about Ron Rivera's defense. I thought it was very
Speaker 5: telling that he was basically made to trade these guys
Speaker 5: off of his defense, because you invested all this in
Speaker 5: the defensive line and you're still twenty ninth in defense,
Speaker 5: So we don't like your plan anymore. It's not working.
Speaker 5: The defense has not been good enough. Sam Howell actually,
Speaker 5: on balance, has been good enough. Think about how well
Speaker 5: he played in those two Eagles games. He played more
Speaker 5: than well enough to win, and they could have won both.
Speaker 5: If the defense was good, they'd be five and three
Speaker 5: and they'd be quite a story.
Speaker 3: Yea, if you'r Howell.
Speaker 4: Like, what all I'm really asking from a young quarterback
Speaker 4: is be watchable, make some plays, and like he does both.
Speaker 4: I hated Ron Rivera having to answer obvious questions about
Speaker 4: the trades, and he used the line too well. This
Speaker 4: was an opportunity to see what else we have you
Speaker 4: didn't want to do that, like you have no power
Speaker 4: in your about nine weeks from being thrown out the
Speaker 4: front door.
Speaker 2: Them how has been sacked forty one times this year,
Speaker 2: by only one last week. Though even with the only
Speaker 2: one last week, the next closest guy it's been sacked
Speaker 2: twenty eight times, so just Daniel Jones, who hasn't played
Speaker 2: in a couple weeks.
Speaker 5: So those guys got rid of the ball really quickly
Speaker 5: last week. Maybe something clicked. I don't know if it
Speaker 5: was the game plan or the opponent, but his time
Speaker 5: to throw.
Speaker 3: And it tells me he's durable.
Speaker 4: Though if he can be sacked that many times and
Speaker 4: not sure go out, there's a positive in there.
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know sure or yeah, taking time bomb
Speaker 3: in the clapp right David's car was like, I can't
Speaker 3: take much more of this. He doesn't seem like in
Speaker 3: shock and all mode.
Speaker 5: Though David Carr was not looking at as a positive
Speaker 5: when he took those seventy six sacs. So Sam Howell, Yeah,
Speaker 5: the David Carr Sam Howell watch is on because he's
Speaker 5: still I believe on pace.
Speaker 2: No good, well, not good, terrible in fact, rooting for
Speaker 2: that kid, all right, those are all of the games.
Speaker 2: And remember that on Sunday night we recap all the
Speaker 2: games we just talked about, save one Monday Night that
Speaker 2: gets its own thing until Sunday.
Speaker 1: Heed the call.