1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: M fail Round the Podcast is on Coughlin time. Welcome 2 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: to another Around the League podcast. My name is Greg 3 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: Rosenthal in the host chair today for Dan Hansus, who 4 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: is on vacation. But I am joined still by a 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: room full of heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Wesselen and Handsome 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: Hank Henry Hodgson of Dave Damashek Football program fame joining 7 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: us today. What's going on? Thank you for having me, guys. 8 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: I'm a long time listener, first time of excited to 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: be here. It's good. Isn't there a normally another guy? 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: Another one of you guys? There is there is He's 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: taking one of his eight vacations I believe of the year, 12 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: the second during the preseason, during the week, you know, 13 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: the busiest week. Dick Dan knows he's going to listen 14 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: to this podcast, and within forty seconds of opening, he's 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: going to be slashed by us for he is on 16 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: what I have heard is a business trip in Nevada, 17 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: oh and of other Las Vegas, the NFL's favorite place. 18 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 1: I mean, you were talking about your fantasy draft last year, 19 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: how hands this didn't show up for that either? And 20 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: I was thinking when our fantasy draft Oh, that's right, 21 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: smack in the middle of our busiest time again. That 22 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: is a You know, Dan sat in remotely for last 23 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: year's draft. It was two years ago that he completely blanked. 24 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: But last year I had to step up to get 25 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: a glass of water. I'm sure he's a different version 26 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: of the story, said Dan, I need you to cycle 27 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: in our fifth pick here in the draft. No problem, 28 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: no problem, come back. No pick has been made. We've 29 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: been auto picked Stephen Ridley, which actually turned out to 30 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: be are one of the two productive players we had, 31 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: so it's better than what he would have picked. Well, 32 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: the reason he does it is because around Week eight, 33 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: when our team is completely crumbling, he's able to blame 34 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: me for the draft process. So it's a smart move on. 35 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: It's very smart guy. So so far Dan really hasn't 36 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: missed too much. But we have a ton of preseason 37 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: games on Saturday. This week. Hasn't been a lot of 38 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: huge news during the week. One interesting item today, which 39 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: is Friday, was Felix Jones traded to the Pittsburgh Steelers. 40 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: Levy on Bella is hurt. What do we make about this? 41 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: Looks to me like a tryout? Uh larade Stephens Howling 42 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: has an mcl sprain, so they don't have that passing 43 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: down specialists who can kind of flare out in the backfield. 44 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: Maybe they try Felix Jones in that role for a 45 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. I don't think he's guaranteed to make 46 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: the roster by any stretch. And it feels like with 47 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: any of these trades that are happening in mid to 48 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: late August, these one for one player, we've seen what 49 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,399 Speaker 1: are this is our third of the week to any 50 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: of these guys have like a feel of a lock 51 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: on the roster. It seems like all of them have 52 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: about a week to prove that they should be there. 53 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: Adrian Robinson, by the way, was the linebacker sent to 54 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: UH Philadelphia. So yeah, these guys we don't even know 55 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: if they're gonna make. It just shows how quickly things changed. 56 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: Felix Jones was the first round pick five years ago. 57 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: Jerry Jones, by the way said this offseason, Felix Jones 58 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: was a great first round pick UH and I think 59 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 1: he was trying to make the same case from Mike Jenkins. 60 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: We got a lot out of Felix Jones, and he's 61 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: so great that now he might be out of the 62 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: league just a few weeks later. So what do we 63 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: think happened to him? Because I don't think he looked 64 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: as good last year or the year before on film 65 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: as he did previously. Did all the injuries just wear 66 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: him down and he no longer is quick enough. He 67 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: average eight and a half yards to carry as a rookie. Well, 68 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: that was his thing, wasn't it. And once that speed 69 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: goes away, if you don't have it left over, then um, 70 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: then then there's not much left in your very average 71 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: exactly I think he was. I think he led the 72 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: league or something like that. His first couple of years. 73 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: He had a really high yards pause. I always thought 74 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: he would bounce back. I guess it's not gonna happen. 75 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: Still in the top five or six active running backs 76 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: for career yards per carry it like four point eight 77 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah, No, he is, though. I 78 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: think he's tied for fourth with D'Angelo Williams. I remember 79 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: I was making that list earlier this preseason and Felix 80 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: Jones was there in the top five. He might be 81 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: out of the league now. There was more running back 82 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: news today in the NFC East, which we're going to 83 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: preview at length in just a few minutes. But let's 84 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: talk about David Wilson. He's gonna be the starter for 85 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: the Giants. Any any big takeaways here, I would say 86 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: that out of all of them making the leap features 87 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: I did, he is the one I feel most confident 88 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: that will make the leap and become a breakout star. 89 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: I just think he's um. He's up there with Adrian 90 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: Peterson and c. J. Spiller to me, is the most dynamic, 91 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: like can take it to the house on any run 92 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: kind of running backs. Um. And in preseason we've seen 93 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: he's been playing early downs Andre Browns just coming in 94 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: on passing Brown passing downs basically. So to me, like 95 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: it's clear they want David Wilson to run with his job. 96 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: He really just when you watch the Giants plays one 97 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: of the few players they have right now outside of 98 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: maybe Cruise that just pops out when you see him 99 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 1: take the ball. And I think that they're smart because 100 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: it's I don't really care who starts in New York, 101 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. It's like they're going to go with 102 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: him and Brown And it's like Coughlin's a guy you 103 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: just don't want to get on Coughlin's bad side and 104 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: you'll continue to play and see snaps. But I think 105 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: he's a very exciting player, and really I don't see 106 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: a lot to love about the Giants, but he is 107 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: one guy that could lift that offense to a place 108 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: that hasn't gone before. We uh, when we picked up 109 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: making the leap candidates, that was one Chris was all over. 110 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 1: We almost jousted a little bit for the right to 111 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: go with David Wilson, and he won that. He wanted 112 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: David Wilson and Henry's boy Lamar Miller, who's you know, 113 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: been singing a different two a little bit. But did 114 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: we see this going any any different way? I mean, 115 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: David Wilson has so much invested in him. Was this 116 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: not the inevitable outcome of this? Was David Wilson's as started. 117 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: I don't think that and Andre Brown. People think it's 118 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: gonna be a split. I don't think Andre Brown has 119 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: been a journeyman in his career. So we'll see if 120 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,239 Speaker 1: he's really going to be affecting behind that offensive line, 121 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: which is very injured right now. I don't know if 122 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: either one of them is gonna do that. Well, what 123 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: do you think about that. Let's move on to the 124 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: preseason games from uh Thursday night, Patriots and Lions. The 125 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: Patriots have been on fire this preseason, and then they 126 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: go out, they're losing at halftime, the starters are in 127 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: their sixteent three. They wind up losing forty to nine. 128 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: Tim Tebow doesn't even get into the game. To me, 129 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: that was kind of expected. But is there any concern here, 130 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: any big takeaways? Now that we've seen the Patriots for 131 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: three games this preseason, I guess you could say that 132 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: the assumption that Brady is so good that all of 133 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: these new this newcaster characters is just gonna fit in 134 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: seamlessly might be a bad assumption. I'm not really worried 135 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: about their offense. I think they'll be fine, but there 136 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: will be some stops and starts along the way. Um 137 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,559 Speaker 1: and ken Kenbrell Tompkins just looked great last night. Greg 138 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: and I were discussing this during the game, that he 139 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: beat Darius Slay off the line, then he beat Chris 140 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: Houston off the line. He's just so quick footed and 141 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: can get off the jam better than you would expect 142 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: any rookie, much less than an undrafted rookie well, and 143 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: Slay has had a rough preseason because I watched him 144 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: get fried by Cleveland two weeks ago. He didn't necessarily 145 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: have a great night last night. And I just think 146 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: Tompkins has one reason every times people say, you know, 147 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: the preseason is a waste of my time, it's not 148 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 1: real football. Well to the coaches and especially as some 149 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: of these players like, it's not just the preseason games. 150 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: But I look at Tom because it's like the whole 151 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: offseason process has been slowly, you know, building him into 152 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: what maybe their best wide receiver this season, at least 153 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: the guy that up through now has like looked to 154 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: be most in tune with Brady. He's very been very productive, 155 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: and I think it's an exciting guy for them to 156 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: unearthed out of completely nowhere. I think you're taking a 157 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: shot at me when you're saying those people, I think 158 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: that's what football fans just. I think that's what they say, 159 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: isn't it. Hank feels differently. He's a big Dolphins fan 160 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: for everyone out there listening that doesn't know, and he's 161 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: living and dying with these preseason things. He's like, we're 162 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: really gonna learn what what Ryan Tannehill and everything is 163 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: about this week going into the last part of that. 164 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: Part of that is psychology for myself, since I have 165 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: to sit through most of them, I don't want to 166 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: be sitting there thinking I don't want to be here, 167 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: So at least I need to convince myself that that's 168 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: a good idea. But yeah, I enjoy seeing preseasons young players, 169 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: like like you're saying that, you know guys that step up. 170 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. Even if they don't do it 171 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: this year, you know, you have a little thought about, well, 172 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: that guy could do it a year from now. Thank 173 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: you might be interested to know that. Great col absolutely 174 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: raved about Tannehill's last game on his podect He had 175 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: a great game. He used the word incredible four different 176 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: times in talking about sounds like, Yeah, I mean the 177 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: preseason's fun for four guys like Kember up Tom. I mean, 178 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: going into the preseason, we heard so many good things 179 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: about this guy that he's gonna wind up starting even 180 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: though he's an undrafted rookie from Cincinnati. You're thinking this 181 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: can't really happen, this is crazy. But right now watching him, 182 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: I mean, he looks like a veteran. He looks ready 183 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: to go. Um, I still think the preseason it reminds 184 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: me there's no predictive value. Though I still think in 185 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: the press, I think that's fair. I mean, it's hard 186 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: to say, oh, well, let's look what happened two weeks ago. 187 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: Every team is using their offenses and defenses so differently, 188 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: and Belichick especially, I you know, in very believe Twitter 189 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,599 Speaker 1: was wandering last night are the Patriots in trouble? And 190 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: I just think, listen, we can take nothing that Bill 191 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: Belichick does in August in drawl from a conclusion about 192 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: where they're gonna be two months from now, right. I 193 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: think it actually almost last night's game almost plays into 194 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick's lot because he's he now he's got something 195 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: to rally his team around and get angry around and 196 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: all that. I mean, as much as he said that 197 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: it was just it was disgraceful off to the game. 198 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: I think he was loving it. He you know, now 199 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: he has a chance to really tune those that team up. 200 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: My theory on the preseason is much like when we 201 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: go to our office cafe the huddle for lunch and 202 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: we get there and hopefully no one there is listening 203 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: to this podcast, and you get there and sometimes there's 204 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: no line at all, and you think it's gonna be 205 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: really quick, but it takes a while. Sometimes it's packed 206 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: and you think there's no way I'm getting this meal 207 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: in twenty minutes, but it's right away. And so you 208 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: can look at all these factors that are going on 209 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: and try to figure out, oh is this gonna take 210 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: but in in the end you know nothing and you're 211 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: just wasting brain cells trying to figure out aheadtime. So 212 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: Huddle wonderful another operation. The Huddle as an entity has 213 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: been lashed on podcasts NFL wide because I'm damnit shack, 214 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: He's gone on it, and you know what I'm gonna 215 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: say it. They deserve it because you can't go in 216 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: there no listen. I I enjoy the product to some degree, 217 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: but I have ordered probably a grilled cheese and French 218 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: fries thirty five times. It has never looked the same 219 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: and it has never cost the same, and it never stuff. 220 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to I was just trying to say, 221 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: you can't really know what's going to happen before you go, 222 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: and it's all I'm going on record as pro huddle. 223 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: They do an excellent job. We'll move on the other 224 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: side of that game, Reggie Bush got the ball a ton. 225 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: The defensive line played well the the offense has been 226 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: a little scattershot. Anything Any big takeaways from the Lions 227 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: a preseason. I have been calling the Bengals the best 228 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: defensive line in the NFL, and I think the Lions 229 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: might have. I think Jason Jones was in the backfield 230 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: on every play I watched. He's gonna love playing with 231 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: Sue and fairly taking up double teams Fairly's a beast 232 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: and he fits right in in terms of talking trash. 233 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: Jason Jones was you know if that was really young? Well, no, no, 234 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: he did, but Jason Jones did as well. And another 235 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: time they all were getting in Brady's face. But Jason 236 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: Jones had a couple of plays where you mentioned he 237 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: got in the backfield and he was talking to Brady too. 238 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: They really enjoyed crushing Tom Brady last night. They did. Yeah, 239 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: it's funny watching that game and then the other game 240 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: last night in the Panthers Ravens game, and both of 241 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: them a team that won. I had almost nothing they 242 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: could take away on offense that was particularly positive, but 243 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: defensively they both had outstanding games. So was there any 244 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: concern about Cam or Joe Flacco from that game. I'm 245 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: concerned about Flacco early in the season, right, I mean, 246 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: Stukeley was signed twelve days ago and was his go 247 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: to guy in key situations last night. That doesn't bode well. Uh. 248 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: The one rookie who looked good to me was undrafted 249 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: Marlon Brown out of Georgia, and Hardball is kind of 250 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: raved about him throughout training camp. He's a tall guy 251 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: with with athleticism, and he looked to have a much 252 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: better rapport with Joe Flacco than guys like Tandon DAWs 253 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: and Lakwan Williams who have been there for a couple 254 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: of years now. And they made a point about Flacco 255 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 1: during the game that you know, he couldn't have done 256 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: this three years ago, but at this stage in his career, 257 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: after what he's accomplished. He basically told certain coaches, I 258 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: want this guy, this young guy out on the field 259 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: with me. I want to test different combinations of receivers. 260 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: And that's smart because they're gonna be doing that week 261 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: after week. I think is the regular season opens, I 262 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: think if you just look at, you know, some facts 263 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: with the Ravens and you had said these facts going 264 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 1: into the preseason, it would sound like they're in trouble. 265 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: Number one, Brandon Stokely and Dallas Clark started their third 266 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: preseason game. I mean, these are guys that no one 267 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: in the league wanted. Uh. Number two there their number 268 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: one draft pick and their number two draft pick. Matt 269 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: Elam and Arthur Brown are not starting. And Brown is 270 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: behind Josh Binds, who is an undrafted rookie couple of 271 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: years ago. At least he's kind of come up in 272 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: the system. Maybe he's going to be a really good player. 273 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: But Elam is behind James, ahead of bow who's who's 274 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: a journeyman. So those two things, and then number three, 275 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 1: I guess would just be that receiver battle that everyone 276 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: was talking about. There really hasn't been any young guy 277 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: to step up. Maybe maybe it'll be Brown, but I 278 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 1: mean I think that from the preseason that's some level 279 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 1: of concern. Are you buying the Ravens, Handsome Hank. I'm 280 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: not buying the Ravens, but only because I am buying 281 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: the Bengals, So in that division, I think, um, I 282 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: think the Ravens are gonna have a hart of time 283 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: than than they may be having previous years. And can 284 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: we talk about the Panthers for a second, because obviously 285 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: the defense last night was a revelation. I think that 286 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 1: you know, Keik Lee in the in the defensive line 287 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: is potentially special if those if the outside linebackers can 288 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 1: stay healthy, which is a complete question mark years on end. 289 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: But Cam Newton is not to be doubted. But Cam 290 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: Newton's offensive coordinator, Mike Shula, I just I understand that 291 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: it's it's vanilla time right now and you're not gonna 292 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: show much. But I'm not convinced that he has much. 293 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: And I just don't. I look at that offense and 294 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: I really question what can they bring to the table 295 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: in a in a in a division where you're gonna 296 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: have to score points to keep up with the rest 297 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: of that division. I I have seen very little so 298 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: far to illicit confidence. I guess the devil's advocate here 299 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:23,359 Speaker 1: is that Cam Newton has been brutal in the preseason 300 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: his first two years in the league. It's true. I 301 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: remember that rookie year he was I mean, he's been terrible, 302 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: and then he comes into the regular season. He's got 303 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: arguably the best two years start in history. Of the NFL. 304 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: They could be a flip side of the team. They 305 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: were a couple of years ago, which was a great 306 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: offense and a defense that was awful, and then it 307 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: didn't quite work out where this year I think you mentioned, 308 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: I mean that that front line with the Kraken and 309 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: Charles Johnson and low Short, I mean that that's a 310 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: pretty good group. And short we're all over the backfield 311 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: day this night, just putting clown suits on the on 312 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: the Ravens guards. It was if you have If you 313 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: guys out there did not get a chance to watch 314 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: this game, go go back on game pass and watch 315 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: Luke Keikley's first half. It was unbelievable. They looked like 316 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: locker and it was a freaky game, and largely because 317 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: of that play where he shot through the backfield and 318 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: you could watch that twelve thirteen times in a row. 319 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: And Greg hopped on instant Messenger and said, holy did 320 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: you see them? But it looked like he was in 321 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: fast forward. That he's gonna be one of the most 322 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: fun defensive players in the league. And you know Greg 323 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: Cosel you mentioned earlier, said he thought he was the 324 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: best metal linebacker in football by far. In the second 325 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: half of last season and he and that kind of 326 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: showed up that he's going to be a big starr 327 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: and he's gonna need to be, I think, because that 328 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: offense has a lot of declining players or guys that 329 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: haven't proved themselves. Steve Smith is their most reliable player. 330 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: He's getting a little older, Greg Olsen is good, and 331 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: then after that it's a lot of question marks. It 332 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: amazes me that that for it seems like forever Steve 333 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: Smith has been um their outstanding receiver and they've been 334 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: looking for a number two receiver and they still haven't 335 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: managed to achieve that. Oh yeah, I mean that that's 336 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: that's incredible. Much less than number three receiver and they 337 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: got Ted Ginn and Armandi Edwards. It's ugly. Uh. Let's 338 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: move on to a division where there's a lot of 339 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: questionable Tina. This is a division that Bruce Allen, the 340 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: general manager of the Washington Redskins, set in a radio 341 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: interview this week is the sec of the NFL, and 342 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the NFC East. Of course, first of all, 343 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: what do we think of the NFC East as a whole? 344 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: Based off of that comment, there has been this blatant 345 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: snobbery from the NFC East who think they are somehow 346 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: head and shoulders above the rest of the NFL. And 347 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: it just doesn't hold water. There. You mentioned this in 348 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: the last podcast. Does any of the teams in the 349 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: NFC NFC East to have a defense or secondary to 350 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: scare anything crystal behind the glass? Our producer is getting 351 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: very upset. She's flexing her muscles, She's she's not excited 352 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: about this. How the how this conversation is going. I 353 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: am highly upset. As a huge Eagles fan all my life. 354 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: We have always been a fierce division. Just because we 355 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: go through a little bit of growing pains for the 356 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: past couple of years does not mean that you can 357 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: take away from our legacy the Eagles, that were the 358 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 1: best thing going in this division for about the last 359 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: ten or fifteen years overall. But it's a pretty bad division. 360 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 1: How many super Bowls do they have? The show for 361 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: that two and seventeen years too, in the last seventeen years. 362 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: But not only that, the Cowboys have one playoff win 363 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: in that entire time. The Redskins arguably one of the 364 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: worst three or four franchise in the league over that 365 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: time because they've had almost no success, and then the 366 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: Eagles and the Giants obviously got their two Super Bowls. 367 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: The NFC East, I do agree with the stobbery comment, 368 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: and it reminds me of way back in two thousand 369 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: when George Bush and Al Gore were running against each other, 370 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: both trying to connect with the common man and the 371 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 1: working man, both who came from enormous riches, and they 372 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: described him as basically guys who were born on third 373 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: base thinking they'd hit a triple when they adjust been 374 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: a great quote. Listen, this NFC East is what we 375 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: grew up loving and watching as kids. Speaking. Well, I'm 376 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: just saying you have if you have to admire the 377 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: division for what it was during that great run, it 378 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: is not that division today. Henry as A as a 379 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: fan from the UK that somehow fell in love with 380 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: the NFL from there was the NFC East. Oh yeah, 381 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: the other I mean I was thinking about as we're 382 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: talking about this, if you look at the ratio of 383 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: primetime games, let's say, over the course of a decade 384 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: to to you know, great actual great teams, it's it's 385 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: it's way out of proportion. I mean that that division 386 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: that at one point. You know, you you heard them 387 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: speaking as if they were going to go and form 388 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: their own league. The NFC East is breaking away to 389 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: create its own you know it was it was considered 390 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: that good. Right now, Let's see how they work out 391 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: this season. I think it's an interesting division to me 392 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: this year, at least in that it's kind of tough 393 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: to predict how it's going to shake out, and that 394 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: that's always a fun thing. But in terms of quality 395 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: of the four teams, not not the strongest division in 396 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: the league by by any stretching. Well, Henry's title here 397 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: at NFL dot com is the director of the programming 398 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: What is your nickname? The DP? Something I did not, 399 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: I don't give myself something like that. Well, he really 400 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: he really respects the numbers, and that's what the NFC 401 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: East it's kind of about. Even though you can, you know, 402 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: not enjoy the fact that the Red Skins under Jim 403 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: Zorn were on Sunday Night Football and Monday Night Football 404 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: seemingly every week for no reason. The reason is because 405 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: people watch the best rated games or NFC East games. 406 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: I think it was eight of the top nine UH 407 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: Sunday Night Football games of all time were Dallas Cowboys games. Um, 408 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: and so people watch this division they're interested. Let's start 409 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: going around the room with our one question per team. 410 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: Let's start with the Cowboys. Mark all right. I wanna 411 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: set this up because I believe this really tells us 412 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: what we think about what Dallas accomplishes this season. We 413 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: know Tony Romo's entrenched with new contract, there's no question 414 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: about them moving on from him. Will Jason Garrett be 415 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: the head coach of this team next season? Wow? That's 416 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: I am picking the Cowboys to win a division, so 417 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: I believe he will be supposed to give that away. 418 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody was on the edge of their seats 419 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: waiting for my pick on the NFC. I think I 420 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: have confidence in him, but he's probably the one coach 421 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: most on the hot seat entering the season, isn't he? Him? 422 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: And Ron Rivera? I mean in the division for definitely 423 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: in that division. Do you think Jason Garrett's back? I 424 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: don't want to spoil anything, but I may also be 425 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: interested in the Cowboys potentially theoretically winning the NFCT, so 426 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,479 Speaker 1: I have a feeling that he would be back, um 427 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: in that situation, But I will also caveat it and 428 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: hedge my bets by saying, if they don't, I think, 429 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 1: if I think honestly, if they don't, let's say break 430 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: nine wins, I think he's done. I don't think he's back, 431 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,719 Speaker 1: and I wouldn't be surprised if he's not coaching the 432 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: team by December um because I think the everything they 433 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: did this offseason with the defense is a problem. They 434 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: can't pull John Gruden out of the booth until after December. Well, 435 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. You never know, but Bill Callahan's in place, 436 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: and he's worked with Gruden before and and Monte Kiffin too. 437 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: That's what they can't have Callahan take over. See. I 438 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: think he'll be kind of seamless, like I always. You 439 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: always can see that next the wheels have already been 440 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: everything's been set in motion for Gruden, the seamlessly trans transition, 441 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 1: and I think he'll be back because of Jerry Jones, 442 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: as delusional as he has seems to have become, I 443 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: think he understands that Garrett is the kind of coach 444 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: he can control year to year. If Garrett will stay there, 445 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: I don't think he can bring in the big name 446 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: coach and make that work. He tried that, but they 447 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: have to win, and if they don't win this year, 448 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any chance Garrett's back. And I 449 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: think they really hurt themselves when they brought in my 450 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: t Kiffen, who, by the way, couldn't have done a 451 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: worse job at usc was pretty much pushed out the 452 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: door in Tampa Bay his last few years there because 453 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: they were struggling with the Buccaneers. Everyone seems to forget 454 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: that has a style of defense that have kind of 455 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: gone out of date in the NFL, and now he 456 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,959 Speaker 1: has to transform all these guys, a lot of them 457 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: were older and injured. Interesting. Interesting that you mentioned Tampa 458 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,239 Speaker 1: two going out of style because again back to our 459 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: man great causel mentioned this last week that he he 460 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: has a theory that Tampa two will come back because 461 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: of all the read option that you need, quicker, quicker 462 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: players and playing closer to the line of scrimmage. And 463 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: they have a couple of I mean, they have probably 464 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: the best most exciting young linebacker duo in the league. 465 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: And Sean Lee and Bruce Carter are number two guy 466 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: on making the leap. So I like those two guys, 467 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: but the guys up front, Jay Ratlift um counting on 468 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: him to stay Healthy's gonna be chicky. Anthony Spencer not 469 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,239 Speaker 1: sure what we're gonna get. Let's move on to the 470 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: next team than Washington Redskins. So I have a question 471 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: about the Redskins. A lot of optimism in Washington and 472 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: elsewhere and in the NFL that you know, a G 473 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: three is coming back, He's going to be healthy, and 474 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: this team's you know, set for take off. What happens 475 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: if AG three comes back and he isn't the same guy, 476 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: or even worse, if AG three comes back and gets 477 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: injured relatively quickly this season, where do we see the 478 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: Redskins going? And you know is do they have the 479 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: pieces in place to win without al G three. I 480 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: think for the Redskins, we forget what their record was 481 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: at some point last season. Wasn't Korean six? Right? And Greg, 482 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: I believe as a as a around the league group, 483 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: we wrote them off entirely and had to eat those words. 484 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: But I do think that they also simultaneously have developed 485 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: one of the game's better backup quarterbacks in Kirk Cousins. 486 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: And if r G three can't sustain a sixteen game season, 487 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: I don't think that the offense changes, no question, it 488 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: loses some of its dynamic abilities, but it doesn't fall 489 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: off a cliff. Some of my questions with the Redskins 490 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: or more on the other side of the football. UM, 491 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: I think that they have a plan in place if 492 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: r G three can't do it, but I still don't 493 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: see them as being quite as impressive as they were 494 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: last season. Let me couch this by saying that I 495 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: firmly believe in r G three. I think he'll be fine. 496 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: I don't think the knees an issue. I did see 497 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: that Ron Jaworski came out today and said that he 498 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: didn't like what he saw from RG three's mechanics, that 499 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: he was off the knee was causing him to throw differently. UM. 500 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 1: But to answer your question, if r G three is 501 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: not under center for some reason, I think they fall 502 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: flat on their face. I think they're the worst team 503 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: in the division if RG three isn't. But you are, 504 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: you are, You are in in the in the camp 505 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: of Cousins. Of thinking Cousins is a fine backup. But 506 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 1: I think they manage They do a great job of 507 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: managing him. The coaching staff does. He's more like to 508 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: me like an Alex Smith type of quarterback. I don't 509 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: think he's a difference maker, whereas r. G three is 510 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: one of the few difference makers. And that's a difference 511 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: you have to make, is making up for the defense, 512 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: which just it's found out not that good. Tom Brady 513 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: wasn't the same coming off of to ourn a c L. 514 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: Why do we just assume that Robert Griffin, the third 515 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: is who's entering his second year, didn't get to practice. 516 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: I'm worried less about the mobility and more about the accuracy. 517 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: I mean, that was the thing that stuck out to 518 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: me week after week. He might have been the most 519 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: accurate quarterback in the entire NFL. It's I mean, it's tough. 520 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: It's tough enough if you're just going into your second 521 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: season and you're you're healthy, and you've practiced, and you know, 522 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: you mentioned the defense and the I mean Brandon Merryweather 523 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: they're still hoping is gonna play a role for them 524 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 1: in D'Angelo Hall is still on that team, and Bakari 525 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: Rambo rookie is gonna be playing safety. And there's not 526 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: a lot to be excited about on the defense. Let's 527 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: move on to the Philadelphia Eagles. That's you, Chris Westling. 528 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: So we've seen in their preseason games, we've already seen 529 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: Chip Kelly running some pretty exotic schemes. Um, but I 530 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: saw Brent Selik say this week he can almost see 531 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: the smirk on his face saying, well, I can't wait 532 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: to unleash what we're gonna do. Like, my question to 533 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 1: you guys is just how much different is the Eagles 534 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: offense gonna look to the rest of the league. Has 535 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: have they been so vanilla so far? Even though we 536 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: have seen exotic schemes, it's Chip Kelly just gonna throw 537 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 1: the whole league for a loop. I could see it happening. 538 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: I mean there, if they're vanilla in the preseason, it's 539 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: pretty interesting. They got four tight ends on the field, 540 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: they got no tight ends some plays, and then four 541 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: wide receivers stacked on top of each other. You don't 542 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: know what's going on with them, and they're and they're 543 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: playing very at a very fast pace. I could see it. Yeah, 544 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 1: I agree with that. I think we've, like any other team, 545 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,719 Speaker 1: we've only seen a fraction of what Kelly plans to do, 546 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: maybe what is even implemented to some degree. What I 547 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: love is the options that he's given Vic and fulls 548 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: on certain plays where it's like you can you can 549 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: give the ball to the running back, but there are 550 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: four different targets within ten yards of you that don't 551 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: have a defender on them, and you don't see what 552 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: they've done anywhere else. What my question really when I 553 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 1: watched the Eagles is how dunder headed is the rest 554 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 1: of the league that if it succeeds, no one else 555 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: is copying it very quickly. But we don't know if 556 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: it is. If it's it's great to talk about it 557 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be fun to watch, don't you know, 558 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: no doubt more reason to tune into NFC East games 559 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 1: and put them in prime time. But does it actually 560 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: translate into wins? I mean, let's let's just wait and 561 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: see on that front, because you know, a lot of 562 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: coaches subscribe to that. I think it was in Hard 563 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: Knocks there was a conversation between two coaches and the 564 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: COMMA who it was saying, you know, it's all about 565 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: keeping it simple, and that's the other philosophy that coaches 566 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: have of like Marvin Lewis. It was Marvin Lewison, I 567 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 1: can't remember who Mike Smith Smith So, um, but you 568 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: know it's it's it's it's about keeping it simple. Now, 569 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,479 Speaker 1: is it really the case that like doing a hundred 570 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: complicated things translates into you know, twelve wins. But the 571 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: way the NFL works, you always got to try to 572 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: be a year ahead of everyone. Everyone's going to the 573 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: up tempo offense now, um, everyone's gonna figure out their 574 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: own ways to defend the read option. You've gotta be 575 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: a year ahead. That's what the Patriots tried to do. 576 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: And we kind of knew what the Patriots were doing 577 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: in Week two or three or last year with this 578 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: up tempo pace, and no one really caught up. I mean, 579 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: they had they had a pretty great regular season, so 580 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 1: I think it's tough to adjust in season. I think 581 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: if they come out and they're as exciting as we think, 582 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: I think, you know, sky's the limit, especially in this division. 583 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: They remind me, you know that that's the one game 584 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: I'm most looking forward to see that Money Night game, 585 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 1: just to see what Chip Kelly has and um, they 586 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: do remind me a little bit of what the Redskins 587 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: did last preseason, where they were just they slow played 588 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,719 Speaker 1: the rest of the league in the preseason, and then 589 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,239 Speaker 1: they came out against the Saints and just unleashed this 590 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: whole new offense. But they are giving us hints and obviously, 591 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: like Chris Brown wrote that one column where you actually 592 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: sat down and like linked where you could see remnants 593 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: of Oregon's offense, but also stuff completely different from that. 594 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: And yeah, if that's just a hint of what we're 595 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: gonna get, then you're right. That opening game for the 596 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: Eagles and Redskins is a doozy for it's multiple storyl 597 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: and everyone's gonna go r G three. But I think 598 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: the real like football fans, I want to see exactly 599 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: what it is the Eagles do. And there's talent here. 600 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: There's remnants of a team that was expected to be 601 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: very good. I mean Michael Vick. In the right system, 602 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: you have Lashan McCoy might be one of the best 603 00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: running backs in the league. I would certainly put them 604 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: in the up three. I would say, uh, you have 605 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: a top pick at tackle and Lane Johnson. You've got 606 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: Jason Peters. I mean de Sean Jackson, who's had, uh, 607 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: from all accounts, the best training camp of his career. Um, 608 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: the question is the defense and can anyone name the 609 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: Eagles defensive cordina And maybe I shouldn't do this. Bill Davis, 610 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: see we know what we're talking about here at round 611 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: in the league. Well, will he be their defensive coordinator? 612 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: You know, six months from now? Totally different conversations. Good, 613 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: they have a defensive boss named Billy. Not a lot 614 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: of experience on on their defense. There there's a lot 615 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: of experience on the Giants defense in terms of the coaching, 616 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: they have a lot of continuity. Um, But my question 617 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: is about the Giants defense and basically do we think 618 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: this Giants defense is going to be a big liability? Yes? 619 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: Well it did. It was last year. Gave up. I 620 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: think that thirty first most points in the league. They 621 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: so well of things changed. Justin Tucks said yesterday the 622 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: day before he believed Aky to have the number one 623 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: defense in the NFL, which means they only have to 624 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: get thirty places better. Well, they're hoping something change. I mean, 625 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: they brought in Colin Jenkins, they drafted Hankins in the 626 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: second round. They're hoping Justin Tuck kind of revives his career. 627 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: I feel like the defensive line will be fine. I 628 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: guess Jason Pierre Paul is the major question mark. They're 629 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: coming off of back surgery. But the linebackers were bad 630 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: last year and look pretty bad this year. Their secondary 631 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: was too easy to throw on last year and they 632 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: still look easy to throw on. They always seem to 633 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: get some crushing injuries in the secondary, and this is 634 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: like the six year in a row or something where 635 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: their schedule is so rough down the stretch. They always 636 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: give them this kind of cream puff slate upfront and 637 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: then it's it's a murders row and they're never fully healthy. 638 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: And in the past, that's how they as a nine 639 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: and seven team after starting like six and two or something, 640 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: have snuck into the playoffs. I don't see them starting 641 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: that way this year. I just think that there's too 642 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: many liabilities on defense, and this is pivoting off the 643 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: defense a little bit. But let's say they go seven 644 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: and nine or eight and eight. Are we then back 645 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: to talking about Eli Manning as just kind of how 646 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: we talked about him a couple of years ago before 647 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: he won the second Super Bowl and everyone was forced 648 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: to pretend he was a top five quarterback. The only 649 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: one that thinks that excellent question, because I thought the 650 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: exact same thing. I think actually now he is he 651 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: is the quarterback that people thought he was a few 652 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: I think he is tangibly better now than he was 653 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: three or four, except for that stretch last year when 654 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: he had a dead arm and he refused to admit it. 655 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: You know, we can't just talk about, Oh, let's lay 656 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: out the issues for the Giants. They're all on defense, 657 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: and then when they go seven and nine, let's blame 658 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: Eli Mann. I think he was not the guy. He's 659 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: not a two times super Bowl winner in the sense 660 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: that he alone tugged them there. He played really well, 661 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: He's got He's got too two of Justin Tuck's Super 662 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: Bowl m v P trophies. Basically, I mean it's like, 663 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: you know, he's he's he's a very reliable guy. He's 664 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: not as bad as they're gonna say, is either if 665 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,239 Speaker 1: they if they crumble. Now, for the record, I mean, 666 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: I think he's very good. But I don't think when 667 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: you're putting him up in that class, those are the 668 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: types of quarterbacks to just carry a team and just 669 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: make everyone better. And I don't think he's not that guy. 670 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: His name where Eli schaff and Frost. Would he be 671 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: Eli Manning. That helps him be put in that class. 672 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: You would not be getting the same amount of commercials 673 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: if he was Chaffan Frost. I wish he was. All Right, 674 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: let's go around the room and predict the division here, Mark, 675 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: let's start with you, okay. And it's weird because West 676 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: and I seem to continually have the same records here. 677 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: But I have the Cowboys winning the division at nine 678 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: and seven. Um, the Redskins also nine and seven, but 679 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: missing out on the playoffs like the rest of the division. 680 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: And I have the Eagles at eight and eight. I 681 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: think they'll be a very intriguing team to watch, fun 682 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: to watch. And then the Giants based on what we're 683 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: just talking about, I see them at six and ten, 684 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: and I think the floor sort of falls out. I 685 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: think that would be the end of Coughlin's career, just 686 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,239 Speaker 1: on his own decision. If you think he does he 687 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: get time to does he get the opportunity to call 688 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: time on his career if it goes wrong this year? 689 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: Is he still he can still say I want out 690 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: rather than being told excuse me, Tom, we've just removed 691 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: your office. But I think he would one out is 692 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: the thing I really think he's so year a year 693 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: right now anyways, that I don't know if he'd want 694 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: to be back. Hank. I know you know you haven't 695 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: been with us for the other predictions, but do you 696 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: have some n I do have NFCS predictions. I want 697 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: to say how much quickly I admire you guys, because, 698 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: as I understand it from talking to each of you, 699 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: you've actually worked out your predictions by work. You know, 700 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: not everyone could be ten and six. Someone has to lose, 701 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: So congratulations. I haven't had to go through that, so 702 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: I can just throw out whatever whatever I want. So 703 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: I'm I'm saying the Cowboys going to win the division, 704 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: and I have ten and six next to their name. 705 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say the Redskins and nine and seven and 706 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: miss out on the playoffs. I think the Giants finish 707 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: eight and Nate and the Eagles at seven and nine, 708 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: so it's pretty close. It's going to be exciting that. 709 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: Like I said about about this division, I'm excited to 710 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: see how it shakes out because I think it is 711 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: it is a pretty tight I agree with it. I 712 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: think it's a very mediocre division and it's very even division. 713 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: I have the Cowboys at ten and six, winning the division. 714 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: The Cowboys are the favorite. Suddenly, that's three for three. 715 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: I don't think the rest of the country he believes this, 716 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: but just the three men in this this room. So 717 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: I have the Redskins also at ten six, but not 718 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: in the playoffs, alright, Giants at nine and seven, the 719 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: Eagles bringing up the rear at seven and nine. I 720 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: believe the Eagles could easily finished first two. I just 721 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: don't have any faith in their defense, all right. I 722 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: did communicate with Dan this morning. He was just waking 723 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: up at one in the afternoon, but he texted me 724 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,800 Speaker 1: his predictions, so we would have him for the record. 725 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: Redskins ten and six from Dan. So he's the first 726 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 1: person to have the Redskins repeating Giants nine and seven, 727 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: Cowboys eight and eight, and the fourth straight person to 728 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: have the Eagles in last place with five eleven. I'm sorry, Christal, 729 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna make your a right here because I'm 730 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,959 Speaker 1: going on with the Eagles and Chip Kelly. Forget about 731 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: last place. I like them for first place. As the 732 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: surprise team in the NFC this year, I've got to 733 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: get to stay in the host chair. Now I have 734 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: the Giants at nine and seven. Even despite the concerns, 735 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: I just think the coaching is good. Their Redskins r 736 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: G three is not quite the same eight and eight, 737 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: and I have the Cowboys led by a poor defense, 738 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: going six and ten in last place. Yours are exactly 739 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: flipped from what everyone else had. Apparently. Yeah, we had 740 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: four Eagles last place, three Cowboys in first. One for 741 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: the Redskins. Yeah, I mean this division, I don't think 742 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: anything would surprise, right, But I think the one thing 743 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,800 Speaker 1: you do know about this division when it comes to 744 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: the playoffs, this is the fourth seed and this is 745 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: the team that gets knocked out by a wild card team. 746 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 1: Is there any scenario where Chip Kelly is one and done? No? No, 747 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: Why do we laugh that off like it's so impossible 748 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: though it is there, it's it's it can't it cannot 749 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 1: happen if he was three and thirteen. I don't even 750 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 1: think there's nobody the people above him aren't aren't smarter 751 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: than him. Yeah, Like usually when they're in it, they're 752 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: in it to win it. With coach is one and done, 753 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: it's because he's kind of a laughing stock. Cameron was 754 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: one and done, and he wasn't a laughing stock. Let's 755 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: move on to the Metrics Matrix, America's favorite running segment 756 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:34,439 Speaker 1: about page views. UM, let's start. If you haven't heard 757 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: the game before, I threw out three stories from the 758 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: week that all did surprisingly well, and our guys are 759 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 1: going to try to guess which one did the best. 760 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 1: All right? Starting off with Terrell Prior is wearing the 761 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 1: number two jersey formerly worn by JaMarcus Russell in Oakland. 762 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 1: That's choice number one. Number two is John Moffatt, Mark 763 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,280 Speaker 1: Savior Cleveland didn't last there long and then was traded 764 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,760 Speaker 1: UH from Cleveland over to Denver. John Moffatt is choice 765 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 1: number two and number three on the list New York 766 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: Jets wide receiver. We almost went a whole show without 767 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 1: mentioning the Jets with Dan gone, but here we go. 768 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: Santonio Holmes is milking his injury, according to some Jets 769 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 1: organizational members, according to the New York Post, So once 770 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,240 Speaker 1: again to review, We've got Daryl Terrell Prior wearing UH 771 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: the number two jersey of Jamacus Russell and Oakland. John 772 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 1: Moffatt traded to the Broncos, and UH, Santonio Holmes milking 773 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: his injury. Let's start with you, Mark. I'm gonna go, uh, 774 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,919 Speaker 1: Moffatt because I think that Seattle is huge in terms 775 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 1: of readership, and so is Denver. Henry, who should really 776 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 1: win this game every week because all he cares about 777 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: his numbers. He doesn't even love football, He's just into 778 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: the metrics. I'm just kidding. He loves footballer the number. 779 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 1: I am also going to go with Moffatt. I think 780 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: there's a couple of reasons, not least that it's the 781 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: oldest story of the three that you just gave us 782 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 1: the options on and um, you're like the Greg Cosell 783 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: of metrics. You come in with like a completely different 784 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: view with the playbook and uh, and so it's had 785 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 1: more chance to collect Patriots. See. Now, I gotta defer 786 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 1: to Henry a little bit on that. I wasn't even 787 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 1: thinking about the It's I'm not going to do it. 788 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: You know, a trade story always does well, and a 789 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: screwed up trade story even does better, I'm sure, and 790 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 1: JaMarcus Russell does well. I'm going against my mantra that 791 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: the that the Jets, uh, that fans don't care about 792 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: the Jets nearly as much as the media does I 793 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 1: think when you throw in the term milking it, I 794 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: think that's going to get people a little riled up 795 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: wanting to read about Santonio Homes. So I'm going with 796 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: Santonio Holmes is milking his injury. All right, Westling goes 797 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:11,320 Speaker 1: with Santonio Holmes. Westling, you are absolutely incorrect. But he 798 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: what he won it last week? And uh, Mark and 799 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,800 Speaker 1: Henry had the same answer. John Moffat gets traded, uh 800 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 1: after briefly being a Brown over to the Broncos. And 801 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: you guys are absolutely correct. You got it, had all 802 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: the elements. Henry, your your prizes. You can come back 803 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,879 Speaker 1: to the show anytime, and Uh, you pretty much could 804 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 1: anytime because you're kind of our boss. That's but I would. 805 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 1: I'd love to come back if you invite me back again, um, 806 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 1: and I will. In the meantime, I'll be listening to 807 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: all your shows instead. All right, Well, we've gone long today. 808 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun. We'll be hitting the 809 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: NFC North on Monday. Will also recap all the preseason 810 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 1: games on Monday for Mark Sessler, Crystal Rich, behind the Glass, 811 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 1: Henry Hodgson, and Chris Westling. I'm Greg Rosenthal. You will 812 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 1: feel it