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Speaker 2: We bring in Danny about once every five or six weeks.

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Speaker 2: He's a busy guy. You know. I was thinking about

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Speaker 2: this somebody the other day asked me. They said, you know, Colin,

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Speaker 2: things I do that I don't do publicly. I don't

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Speaker 2: want to hear Bill Maher's football picks or Ben Shapiro

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimel situation, where listen, I just don't think it's

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Speaker 2: And by the way, the left was doing it with

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Speaker 2: if you're Gavin Newsom and you're Bob Iger, and basically

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Speaker 2: nobody else. You know what I mean? Seriously, when when

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Speaker 2: And if you don't like this question, you can talk bears,

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Speaker 2: But why do you think? Ultimately, Bob Aiger just said.

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Speaker 1: Now we're just going to put him back on. Well,

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Speaker 3: This was a pretty clear cut freedom of speech issue,

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Kimmel is a prankster.

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Speaker 3: Jimmy Kimmel was like likability guys, guy, pull pranks, football picks,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean because if you think about it, Letterman

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Speaker 1: Kimmel was friends with these people. Was Hollywood correct that

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Speaker 3: Like he he vacations with Jason Bateman and Jennifer Aniston,

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Speaker 2: That's where I feel Eiger feels that institutional pressure. I

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Speaker 2: He was there, six to seven of them. Kardashians were there.

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Speaker 2: And so when you see all the like Silicon Valley

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was such an obvious overreach, you know,

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Speaker 3: going too far, Like I don't I don't want to like.

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Speaker 1: False equivalent those because like there's no question that.

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Speaker 3: Sensitivities and people like lashing out at media got a

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Speaker 1: A little too sensitive.

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Speaker 3: And you can like talk about cancel culture or whatever,

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Speaker 3: but like losing out on hosting the Oscars because you

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Speaker 3: is not the same, like because like an event wouldn't

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Speaker 1: That's not the same as the head of the FCC

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Speaker 1: taking you off the air and the president like celebrating

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Speaker 1: your firing, right, Like that's that's not the same. That's

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Speaker 3: And so I thought this one was just like appalling

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Speaker 3: they're gonna do what over what comment?

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Speaker 1: And like who's getting involved?

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Speaker 3: Like and I thought Kimo, what he said in his

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Speaker 3: like talk about your all time backfire, like they made

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Speaker 3: people have left, like institutional job, like Conan left Late

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not a free speech absolutist, Bill Morrowis says

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Speaker 1: He looked horrifyingly bad. But I can't get that opinion

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Speaker 1: on TV because like the Falcons Panthers, people just do

430
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Speaker 1: not care. I've been told and I'm like, I think

431
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Speaker 1: I would be really good. You just laughed at my opinion.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I think it would be like people want

433
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Speaker 3: to just see what you're passionate about. Like I think

434
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Speaker 3: it would have been fine to do for two minutes.

435
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Speaker 3: But you know, I don't have as much skin in

436
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Speaker 3: the game here as much like you know, Pelts on

437
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Speaker 3: the wall whatever the expression is, as you or Nick do.

438
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 3: So I gotta lose that one, but that the producers

439
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Speaker 3: are going to hear about it. So like I think

440
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 3: on television where we are on in sports bars and

441
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 3: airports and moms getting their kids ready for school. Like

442
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 3: mass appeal, you're trying to cater to everybody, but if

443
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Speaker 3: you were really interested, Like a podcast, I think, by

444
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 3: definition is more niche. It's like HBO. It's like real time. Yeah,

445
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 3: you have to opting into it. You're seeking it out.

446
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 3: Like if I am a listener of the Colin Calherd

447
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 3: podcast and I am a subscriber of it, I will

448
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 3: listen to want. I want to know what you are

449
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 3: interested in. And if you are interested in lebron and China,

450
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 3: why you are good at what you do is because

451
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Speaker 3: you make me interested. I love your line of I'm

452
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Speaker 3: in the omelet business, not the egg business. It's not

453
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Speaker 3: my job to make you interesting. But I think that

454
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Speaker 3: is more applicable to national radio and national television than

455
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Speaker 3: it is podcasting. Like if you wanted to get on

456
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Speaker 3: here and grind out a topic on the hypocrisy of

457
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Speaker 3: the NBA, and it's like, I'd listen to it, and

458
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 3: by the way, if I didn't find it interesting, I'd

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Speaker 3: fast forward, like.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know, that's part of the beauty of podcasting.

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Speaker 3: So I think it matters for time place, but mostly

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Speaker 3: for this conversation platform. Like, I agree with you that

463
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Speaker 3: not every topic Nick and I talk about it sometimes,

464
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Speaker 3: like that's a good radio topic, that's a good podcast topic.

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Speaker 1: That's not a good TV topic.

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Speaker 3: And I, you know, and I'm a little over a

467
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Speaker 3: year into my TV career, and so I am still

468
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Speaker 3: learning and like figuring that piece out as a long

469
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Speaker 3: time radio guy. There are topics that are just better

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Speaker 3: for different mediums. Yeah, no, that's and that's pretty smart

471
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Speaker 3: that you guys talk about that, because it you know,

472
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Speaker 3: and I've said this before, college March madness and the

473
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Speaker 3: baseball playoffs I really like. But the regular season of

474
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Speaker 3: both doesn't move the needle. You lose you hemorrhage audience

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Speaker 3: if you taught college basketball before March.

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Speaker 2: But I start watching it in February and I'm really

477
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Speaker 2: into college basketball for three weeks. I've got really good

478
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Speaker 2: friends in the industry, a couple of coaches, and I

479
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Speaker 2: love watching like eight to ten programs, you con and

480
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Speaker 2: Gonzaga and Villanova and Kansas. I love watching them play.

481
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Speaker 2: You know, I loved Syracusan Beheim so and by the way,

482
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Speaker 2: baseball's like that. So you know, I grew up with

483
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Speaker 2: the Mariners. Well, now they've got Cal Rawley, they hit

484
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Speaker 2: home runs, they got Moonyo's the closer, they have a

485
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Speaker 2: really good starting staff and an Era. They're great at home.

486
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 2: It's all be fascinated for five weeks of baseball, but

487
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 2: during the regular season it's not a great topic. So

488
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Speaker 2: that's a prime example of to the audience, and sometimes

489
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Speaker 2: I take people behind it and just say listen. When

490
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Speaker 2: I lived in ESPN Land, I watched a ton of

491
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Speaker 2: Yankees red, so I worked out every day to Nissen,

492
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Speaker 2: Mike Felger, The d the radio show, the TV simulcash.

493
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Speaker 2: Every single day I worked out. That's why I'm so buffed.

494
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Speaker 2: Every day I worked out to that, and I listened

495
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Speaker 2: all the time to Mike and the Mad Dog in

496
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Speaker 2: the afternoon when I was driving around doing errands and

497
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Speaker 2: picking my kids up, I'd listen to forty five minutes

498
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Speaker 2: and they would just go, you know, it's baseball show

499
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Speaker 2: more than anything, which was crazy in a city like

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Speaker 2: New York with the Knicks and the Jets and the Giants.

501
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Speaker 2: So there are topics like that. But I will say

502
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Speaker 2: in October, I think these I think I told this.

503
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Speaker 2: I led with this today on television I led baseball.

504
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: I said, whether it's AI in business, nil in college football,

505
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: or fear of the salary gap in baseball, there is

506
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Speaker 2: a neurotic, anxiety ridden, fadeless group of sports fans who

507
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: literally always fear the worst. And I'm like, you do

508
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: get the Lakers got Luca bounced in the first round,

509
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 2: ok Ce met in the in the finals. You you

510
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 2: do get that the Brewers are the best team in baseball,

511
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Speaker 2: and the Mets are unraveling with their three hundred and

512
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Speaker 2: forty million dollar payroll, and the Reds and the Guardians

513
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Speaker 2: and the Mariners are crushing it in Toronto where none

514
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 2: of the star players want to play in Toronto, and

515
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 2: the taxes in Canada, and you start looking around at

516
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 2: all these sports and it's like, guys, green Bay's great,

517
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 2: the Jets and Giants are unwatchable. That there there is

518
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 2: something that's very very true about business and sports obsessive wins,

519
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: and when you're in big cities, it's more distracting. There's

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00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: more to do in Chicago and New York. There is

521
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 2: not more to do in Green Bay, and there's not

522
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Speaker 2: more to do in OKC. And I do believe it's

523
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Speaker 2: not just because you should have advantages game day revenue

524
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Speaker 2: in the big cities. More free agents want to live

525
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Speaker 2: in Miami, LA and New York than they do, you know, Dallas.

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Speaker 2: That I think in cities like Dallas and New York

527
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Speaker 2: and Miami and Los Angeles, it's more distracting, not just

528
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Speaker 2: for the athletes, for the executives and for everybody. And

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Speaker 2: I guess my whole point is what I love about baseball.

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Speaker 2: I think it's been an unbelievable year for baseball, that

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Speaker 2: all these small markets, that all these sort of can't

532
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Speaker 2: compete with the bigs. I mean, the Dodgers have a

533
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Speaker 2: they're unraveling their bullpens terrible. I mean, I think it's

534
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: been an unbelievable baseball. If you asked a commissioner, he'd go,

535
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Speaker 2: I want the Cubs, the Dodgers, and the Yankees to

536
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: be good, but not too good. I need two small

537
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Speaker 2: market teams, one in the Northwest and one in the

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Speaker 2: middle of the country. Like every team except the Braves

539
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: that you would want to win is winning. Have you

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Speaker 2: paid more attention to baseball this year because you're a

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Speaker 2: Chicago native.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, I love the Cubs and so when I

543
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Speaker 3: did local radio. You know, we were doing baseball all

544
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Speaker 3: the time. I do agree that some of the stories

545
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Speaker 3: cal Raleigh, like to me he should be the MVP judge,

546
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 3: is amazing, but that those power numbers as a catcher

547
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 3: they're playing every game is stupid. That's like a few

548
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: baseball players about it, and like to a tee, they

549
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 3: don't talk about him like he is Otani, but they

550
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 3: talk about it like in the same level of like

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Speaker 3: I think it was physically possible for a catcher too.

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Speaker 2: Well, Piazza, Johnny Bench, Pudge and Cal Rawley. It's like

553
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: it wears you out to be catcher.

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Speaker 3: Correct, So to be catching that number of games and

555
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: hit that money home runs for a good team is

556
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Speaker 3: just awesome and preposterous and an amazing story and it

557
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 3: probably should be getting more attention, though it is obviously

558
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 3: getting plenty of attention on MLB Network. I since leaving,

559
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 3: like I did not love the local radio day to

560
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 3: day of baseball because it was always hard for me

561
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Speaker 3: to put any significance on any one game. Yeah, because

562
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Speaker 3: like my math brain just didn't allow for it. It

563
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 3: was just like a the guy that my co host

564
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 3: was a huge baseball guy. My producers were huge baseball guys,

565
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Speaker 3: and I was like, guys, I am a huge baseball

566
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Speaker 3: guy too. I just like more like storylines, playoffs, macro.

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Speaker 2: It's an event culture, and that's the audience is they're distracted.

568
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Speaker 2: Like baseball is a hard sell in the regular.

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Speaker 3: Season, right, but like in May in Chicago when the

570
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 3: Cubs are off to an amazing start, like they're the

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Speaker 3: biggest deal in town and there's nothing going on with

572
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 3: the Bears or the Bulls, and it's like it's kind

573
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Speaker 3: of like in local radio, that's what you're doing, and

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Speaker 3: so roundabout way to talk about. Like, so I love baseball,

575
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Speaker 3: but I love it more now that I am not

576
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Speaker 3: in it every day because I can of just kind

577
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Speaker 3: of like appreciate a good game, a good highlight, a

578
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 3: good storyline, and then as to your point, lock in

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Speaker 3: for the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: And it's more than they become football games.

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Speaker 3: Like the reaction, right, like it each game obviously matters

582
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Speaker 3: way more. Each decision is like truly fascinating to hyper

583
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Speaker 3: analyze and magnify because like in the regular season, it's like, ooh,

584
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 3: that was a questionable lineup decision, or he should be

585
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 3: batting there, that was a weird bullpen decision. It's like, well,

586
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 3: we're operating with such incomplete information. Was the guy healthy?

587
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 3: Are we playing the long game? Are you just trying

588
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 3: to get this guy a spot? What was the reason for?

589
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: Like it's but it's one of one sixty two. The

590
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 3: actual result of the baseball game doesn't matter that much,

591
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 3: Like I need.

592
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: We consume so much.

593
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 3: Sports that I need there to be stakes attached to

594
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 3: my sports, and it just doesn't feel to me like

595
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 3: any one regular season baseball game matters all of that much.

596
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Speaker 3: So I'm with you that the stories have been great,

597
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 3: but I personally prefer it from the national level because

598
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Speaker 3: I can zoom out a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the now that you live in New York, so

600
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: and I spend eighty percent of my time in Chicago.

601
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: I still go to LA regular but he still have

602
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: a lot of friends, and I still love going. And

603
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: I'm not one of these I hate LA I love Listen.

604
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: I've lived a lot of places I like. I love

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00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: the East Coast, I really love. I never thought I would,

606
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: but I mean June first to October first, maybe October fifteenth,

607
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: if I could, I'd live in the Northeast. I think

608
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 2: it's the most beautiful place in the world. The beaches,

609
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: the fall foliage, foliage, It's amazing. I will say Chicago

610
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 2: is radically cheaper than Los Angeles on like thirteen different fronts.

611
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. How much more affordable Chicago is. Like having

612
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: a beer, I mean, having a chicken sandwich at a

613
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 2: food truck, like going out to eat, like rent I

614
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: miss it. It's I miss it now. Now you've gone

615
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 2: from Chicago to New York. It is unbelievable. You've gone

616
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Speaker 2: from a city with bad owners and mediocre sports to

617
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: a place that's worse. It's president. I mean, it's incredible.

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Speaker 2: How would you what's the difference for our audience between

619
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Speaker 2: a Chicago sports fan who you talk to every day

620
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Speaker 2: and a New York sports fan that you can hear

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Speaker 2: every day on radio or TV.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean listen, New York sports fans take a

623
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Speaker 3: tremendous amount of pride in their they're booing and their anger.

624
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 3: Like I would always say, because I too listen to

625
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 3: Mike and the Mad Dog When I was in Syracuse

626
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 3: they would be on the YES Network and I was

627
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 3: a sports radio dork and I was I consumed it

628
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 3: from then, and I went to school with all these

629
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Speaker 3: kids from the Philadelphia area and the New York area

630
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: and whatever. And as much as I love Chicago, I

631
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: do think that there is kind of like in terms

632
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 3: of like tough fan bases, there's a big three and

633
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 3: it's New York, Philly, Boston, and then there is a

634
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 3: gap and then Chicago is like the biggest of everybody

635
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 3: else and the toughest of everybody else with the Chicago Bears.

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Speaker 1: The Chicago Bears beat is a good, tough beat.

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00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 3: They ask tough questions, they will hold players like there's

638
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 3: big city journalism that happens around the Bears. It's an

639
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 3: excellent beat. The Cubs beat is pretty good. There are

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00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 3: national reporters based out of Chicago.

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00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: It's a good beat.

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00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 3: White Sox catch a ton of hell. But it's not

643
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Speaker 3: it's not like Boston. It's not like Philly, and it's

644
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Speaker 3: not like New York.

645
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Speaker 1: I think Chicago.

646
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 2: Someone is Chicago angry. Isn't Philly angry? Midwestern people. I'm saying, yeah,

647
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 2: they're just not as angry. That's there. And by the way,

648
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: Philly takes pride in it. Chicago's kind of they feel

649
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 2: bad when they hang up the phone and rip somebody.

650
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Speaker 1: That's that's That's what I'm saying.

651
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Speaker 3: It's I think the media reflects the fans, like the

652
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Speaker 3: fans in Chicago, like we want to be tough and mean,

653
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: but we're still like Midwest nice. Yeah, like we still

654
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 3: we still kind of judge the we want you to

655
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 3: when we when you hold the door open for someone

656
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 3: like not to be surprised, like New Yorkers are like

657
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 3: what are you doing? Like do you work here? And

658
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 3: so I think that there is some that's it's a cliche,

659
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 3: but I do think that there is like a noticeable difference.

660
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 3: And it's not just New York Chicago. It's like New York, Philly, Boston,

661
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 3: everyone else. And so that to me is the biggest difference.

662
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 3: But you are one hundred percent correct that God is

663
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 3: their bad ownership in both cities, Like it's it's wild

664
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Speaker 3: and that's why though like listen, the one I use

665
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 3: is like the Bengals were the Bungles before Joe Burrow

666
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: got there, like it can change. The Chiefs did not

667
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: win a single game with a quarterback that they drafted,

668
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 3: not a playoff game, a regular season game between Todd

669
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 3: Blackledge and Patrick Mahomes.

670
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Speaker 1: They won games with Alex Smith and Joe Montana and

671
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Speaker 1: Trent Green, but like Brody Croyle, who they drafted and

672
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: he went on ten.

673
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 3: Like so like a player can change it. Now you

674
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 3: got to be unbelievable, and it is harder to change

675
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: the culture and the institutional failures and you're paddling upstream

676
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:51,479
Speaker 3: and all of those things.

677
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: But like, if if Caleb is that guy, he can

678
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: change it.

679
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 3: If Derek Rose would have been Orench is taller and

680
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 3: had better knee ligaments, like he could have changed it.

681
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: You know.

682
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 3: So I do think that, like the ownership matters a ton,

683
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 3: but you great management can overcome. The Cubs were terrible forever,

684
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 3: the Tribune company never spending anything, and the Ricketts family

685
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 3: they spend, They make a ton of money, but they

686
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 3: don't spend like Steve Cohen or you know someone you know,

687
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 3: like they what the Cubs make, they put back into

688
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 3: the team.

689
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: But when they had theo Epstein running the show, they

690
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: won the World Series. You know, he was the greatest

691
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Speaker 1: baseball executive of the last thirty years. And now they're

692
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: pretty well run and they've been consistently good for a while.

693
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Speaker 1: And we'll see if they can get another one. But

694
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Speaker 1: so I think that ownership can hold you back, but

695
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: you just have to be truly special to overcome it.

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725
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Speaker 2: you mine. So, if you ever had an especially strident position,

726
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 2: and for a variety of reasons, perhaps in my opinion

727
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: it's a cultural change, you go the opposite way. And

728
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Speaker 2: I'm going to start with mine. And I thought about

729
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 2: this so for years, Ioways said Green Bay not having

730
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 2: an owner was a negative. That you need stan Kronky

731
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Speaker 2: on the tarmac with Sean McVay on the phone and

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Speaker 2: he's getting ready to fly his Gulfstream from lax to

733
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Speaker 2: Heathrow and literally McVeigh and less need pin him down

734
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Speaker 2: on Stafford and he goes, okay, let's get him. You

735
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Speaker 2: don't have to go through a board. You don't have

736
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Speaker 2: to gather people around like in green Bay, and you know,

737
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Speaker 2: Mark Murphy had to answer to people. And so for

738
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: years I always thought, what a negative for green Bay.

739
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: They don't they can't walk upstairs. I've always said one

740
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Speaker 2: of the strengths of Fox over ESPN. ESPN's a massive company.

741
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: It's like the Marriott Shane. You know, Fox is like

742
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: a boutique hotel. If I really needed something, I would

743
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 2: walk upstairs and I've done it maybe once and just

744
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 2: ask Eric Shanks, Eric, this sucks, you know, can we

745
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: do this? Or Eric, I'm not comfortable with this. What

746
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 2: do you think of it? And if he's there, he

747
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 2: would just say, oh, that's a good point. Let me

748
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: get it on the phone. And I don't do it much.

749
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: I've probably done it twice, or I've said hey, can

750
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 2: we do this? This is one of them. Was like, well,

751
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 2: I won't even get into it. It was kind of a

752
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 2: thing for the staff I wanted to do, but you

753
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: can get an answer and get it solved very quickly.

754
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: And I don't have a lot of you know, I

755
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 2: don't have to do it much. I think I've done

756
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: it twice in nine years. It was just something I'm like, yeah,

757
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 2: this feels weird, let's not do this. You get an answer.

758
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: Packer's never had that. Then something happened and I really

759
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: noticed it over the last two to three years, and

760
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 2: I've talked to gms about this, is that owners have

761
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 2: gotten more impulsive because they're not worth seven hundred million.

762
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 2: They're worth eleven billion, and so they have no problem

763
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: running a sixty eight million dollar check to get rid

764
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: of both coordinators and they head coach. They don't care.

765
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: And when they're around their buddies who are millionaires, probably

766
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: not billionaires, they're giving them shit when they vacation with them,

767
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 2: like your coach is an idiot, this quarterback's a bum.

768
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: And you know, they did a bit of a billionaire

769
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Speaker 2: echo chamber, and they and they lean on a GM

770
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: and they lean on people and they just are crazier

771
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: and so Green Bay, now I believe has a huge

772
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: advantage where they don't answer to any impulsive owner. They

773
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 2: basically have really smart president, really smart people in the

774
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: front office. They tend to be patient with quarterbacks. I

775
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: do not believe you can draft a first round quarterback

776
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 2: and sit him for three years twice. You can't do

777
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 2: that in any other city except green Bay, the masters

778
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 2: of the most important position in the national football increasingly

779
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: so over the last fifteen years. So that's my sports

780
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 2: take where I it's like there and I have pivoted

781
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,479
Speaker 2: to the other side, and I think Green Bay's ability

782
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 2: to have multiple year patients is unprecedented in this sport.

783
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 3: So the green Bay thing is a little sensitive for

784
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: me because my dad's whole side of the family are

785
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 3: cheesehead Packer fans, and I've had to deal with this

786
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 3: for my entire life life.

787
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: And I always would.

788
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 3: Say, you know, to my brother, my older brother is

789
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 3: a Packer fan, and my dad and you know, rest

790
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 3: in peace to both of them.

791
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: But I would always say, I was like, you guys

792
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: don't know how the rest of us live. Like you

793
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: guys get.

794
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 3: Going from FARV to Rogers to Jordan Love, Like I

795
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 3: remember when Rogers got hurt and Brett Hunley had to

796
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 3: play for like six games.

797
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, it's like six games. Try sixteen years.

798
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 2: Try the eighties.

799
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the game that Caleb Williams had against Dallas.

800
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 3: A Bears quarterback has not done that. Four touchdowns, zero picks,

801
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 3: zero sax since Rex Grossman in two thousand and six,

802
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 3: and before that it was Eric Kramer in nineteen ninety five,

803
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 3: and then before Eric Kramer it was zero times. I like,

804
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 3: that's entirety of the list. And so like the fact

805
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 3: that like so and so packerstans don't understand how good

806
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 3: they have it, But allow me to just push back

807
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 3: a little bit.

808
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 1: Isn't it luck is?

809
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: It isn't I mean, because our sample size there is two, right,

810
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers and Jordan Love. And because FARV was like

811
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Speaker 3: FARV was good, they had Farv. They traded for Farv

812
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 3: and then Aaron Rodgers falls in the draft, not supposed

813
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 3: to be there. They take him, they sit him, but

814
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 3: he was you know, number one, it was him and

815
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: Alex Smith. Then that works and then Rogers they think

816
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 3: he's done, They train up and take Jordan Love. Then

817
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 3: they get rid of McCarthy. Lafleur comes in all of

818
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 3: a sudden, Rogers is winning two more MVPs. Like the

819
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Speaker 3: plan wasn't like, let's sit Jordan Love for three years.

820
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Speaker 3: The plan was, we don't know how much longer Aaron

821
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Speaker 3: Rodgers has and then a new coach kind of injected

822
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 3: some old man life into him, and Jordan Love was

823
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Speaker 3: sitting longer than they initially thought when they aft if

824
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 3: they thought that Aaron Rodgers was going to be an

825
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 3: m VP, they would have drafted T Higgins instead of

826
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 3: drafting Jordan Love. So like it's and by the way,

827
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Speaker 3: it was multiple presidents, you know what I mean back

828
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Speaker 3: then with it was Ron wolf Right, it's been multiple

829
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Speaker 3: j Thompson and Ted Thompson, multiple presidents, multiple general general managers.

830
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 3: I don't I don't just believe that, like inherently because

831
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 3: they eat brought worst and they have no owner and

832
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 3: it's green and gold that they have just like that,

833
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 3: they just have this ability that like if if Mark

834
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 3: Murphy went and it's a new president. Now I forget

835
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 3: the guy's name, but if you like, if he became

836
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 3: the president of the Jaguars, I don't think that the

837
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 3: next Jaguars quarterback would be Aaron Rodgers level good. Like

838
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 3: I think they have gotten I think they've gotten lucky

839
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 3: twice and it an noise the hell out of me.

840
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: So here's where I'd pushed back. They are also arguably

841
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: the best draft team period for twenty five years, and

842
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 2: I think, I mean they literally have maybe in twenty

843
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: five years, had two bad offensive lines and they never

844
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: draft offensive lineman in the first round. Is that once

845
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 2: again their ability to draft middle rounds and just be

846
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: patient and not have a relentless angry media banging on them.

847
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 2: Their media is not even collegiate, it's almost high school nice.

848
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a very supportive media. And so I

849
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 2: would buy into luck if they didn't currently have the

850
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 2: best tight end wide receiver youth groups in the NFL.

851
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: And they don't do free agency, so they're missing a

852
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: leg from the barstool. And it's almost like there's so

853
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: many teachers that are actually millionaires, almost higher than almost

854
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 2: any profession outside of tech. And one of the reasons

855
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 2: they have to be is because teachers don't make a lot,

856
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 2: so they tend to pay off their homes, they buy

857
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: use cars. Green Bay similarly knows we don't get free agents.

858
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 2: We have to draft and development. We have to be patient.

859
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 2: We're not attractive to star mike linebackers. And wide receivers

860
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 2: on average, So I think I would buy that, But

861
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: they draft so exceedingly well. And I think a lot

862
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: of it is you do in life.

863
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: What you have to.

864
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: If you have to save to retire early, you don't

865
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 2: buy a second car if you're rich.

866
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: I mean the New York.

867
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 2: Operations, they just fly through money because their game day

868
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 2: revenue is huge, and they and I mean I think,

869
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: I mean, like the Knicks, James Dolan, I'm firing the

870
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: most successful coach we've had in twenty years. You wouldn't

871
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: think of doing that in Green Bay, Like, it wouldn't

872
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: even be on the table, would it.

873
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 3: I mean, they fired Mike McCarthy after he won a

874
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 3: Super Bowl, now not right after he won it, obviously, and.

875
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 2: He struggled the last year and a half two years

876
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 2: he struggled.

877
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, but but Mike Donlins hasn't won a playoff game

878
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 3: since twenty sixteen, and they've kept him there because, like

879
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 3: the Steelers ownership group, believe he was in continuity of coaches.

880
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 3: So listen, the Packers are a very well run organization.

881
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,959
Speaker 3: So there's obviously an ounce of hater that is coming

882
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 3: out of me when we're talking about this and R

883
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 3: is very good.

884
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 2: It's just an ounce, just a smidge, feels like sixteen ounces.

885
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 2: It might be forty proof.

886
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: It might be it might be forty proof. Can you

887
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: pass me some of that whiskey? By the way it

888
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: looks DELICTI uh.

889
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 3: The ad policy, by the name, is the new the

890
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 3: new Mark Murphy, the new Ted Thompson. I just I

891
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 3: have a I think that they are very well run.

892
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 3: They are very good at drafting. The historically, you are

893
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 3: one hundred percent correct, have not been a free agent team.

894
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 3: But it's also not because part of it is because

895
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 3: they don't. They're not attractive to free agents. But in

896
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 3: the NFL, it guys normally go where the money is

897
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 3: normally right, Reggie Reggie White going to Green Bay was

898
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 3: like a massive deal on an number of levels because

899
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 3: of race and religion and location and all that. They

900
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 3: also paid them a boatload of money. I remember when

901
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 3: Mario Williams went to Buffalo. Everyone was like, yeah, remember,

902
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 3: oh my god, Buffalo got a big free agent.

903
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: And I was like, you get one hundred million dollars anywhere,

904
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: so green But Green Bay has also talked about like

905
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: a lot of like they believe philosophically organizationally in building

906
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: through the drafty. They don't even really pursue big time

907
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: free agents. Like part of it, I'm sure.

908
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 3: Is a geographic disadvantage, but I think part of it

909
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 3: is also just like organizational philosophy.

910
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: And they're very good.

911
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 3: And I think Jordan Love is just good enough to

912
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 3: throw a backbreaking interception in the playoffs.

913
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: That's what I think.

914
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: Wait, let's wrap it up with your pivot. A position

915
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 2: you had and now, through either cultural changes, information clarity,

916
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: you have moved off it, sport anything.

917
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, good question, good follow up. You're gonna hold

918
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: me to it.

919
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 3: So I this Maybe this doesn't answer your question perfectly,

920
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 3: but I think it's a decent answer. I used to

921
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 3: want to fire coaches for bad game management decisions, messing

922
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 3: up timeouts, messing up and right messing up go for

923
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 3: it on fourth downs. It would drive me insane. And

924
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 3: I still don't like it, to be very very clear,

925
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,479
Speaker 3: And I do think teams in general have gotten better

926
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 3: at it because they've brought you know, MIT nerds and

927
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 3: analytic departments in and like they've like streamlined their process.

928
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 3: But like I'm talking, like by the way, like I'm

929
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 3: go back like Mike McCarthy on the Packers when they

930
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 3: were in the NFC Championship game against Seattle in like

931
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 3: ye me ten or whatever. He's got Aaron Rodgers, Aaron

932
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 3: Rodgers's MVP of the league, and he's given the ball

933
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 3: to Eddie Lacy inside the five yard line instead of

934
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 3: letting Aaron Rodgers try to throw, and then he's settling

935
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 3: for short field goals. It was this is like before

936
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 3: the analytic, but even up the time you have Aaron Rodgers,

937
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 3: six is more than.

938
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: Three go for touchdowns? What are you doing?

939
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 3: I used to want to like fire guys for that,

940
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 3: but then and like Andy Reid, it was a big

941
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 3: reason why I changed this. Like Andy Reid has struggled

942
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 3: at times. And remember I covered Andy Reid and the

943
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 3: Alex Smith era when he was coming off of the

944
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 3: Philadelphia era. I did not cover Andy Reid when he

945
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 3: had Superman as his quarterback. But Andy Reid would sometimes

946
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 3: do things be slow at the end of half, slept

947
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 3: the clock, run punked from midfield, and I was like,

948
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 3: this is so dumb, but goddamn, that guy would win,

949
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,479
Speaker 3: and he would win double digit games and he would

950
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 3: get Alex Smith had the best year of his career

951
00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 3: with him, And then you go back through and you

952
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 3: look at it and it was like, Okay, not only

953
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 3: did Alex Smith have the best year of his career

954
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 3: with Andy Reid, but so did Kevin Cobb, Jeff Garcia,

955
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 3: Mike Vick, Donovan mcnapp, Like yeah. So the epiphany was like,

956
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 3: it's the part that drives guys like me and Nick

957
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 3: crazy because we are sitting on our couch watching an

958
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 3: HD with the clock and the time and the score

959
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 3: and we can do that part. But the biggest part

960
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 3: of coaching is very clearly not that the biggest part

961
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 3: of coaching is Monday through Saturday. The game plan that

962
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 3: how you game plan for the Broncos is different than

963
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 3: how you game plan for the Lions, and it's like

964
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 3: a week to week chess and that's what Andy Reid

965
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 3: is the best I've ever seen in my lifetime of

966
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 3: watching football, and so like that, it is a part

967
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 3: of coaching that still drives me crazy and I will

968
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 3: still yell at my TV about it, but I will

969
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 3: unless you have like no, like, I will never advocate

970
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 3: firing a good coach for something like that. You know,

971
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 3: like if Brian Callahan can't do it and he can't

972
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 3: coach well, then sure, just like add it to the

973
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 3: list of reasons right why he should be gone. But

974
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 3: it's not like the It's not as big of a

975
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 3: part of being a good coach as I originally thought

976
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 3: it was, because I think I gained like a more

977
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 3: global understanding of like what the job entails. I don't

978
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 3: know that I fully adequately answer your question, but it

979
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 3: is a position that I totally have changed on and

980
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 3: it's now more of like a nuisance than like a

981
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 3: foundational principle. But I also think as I go around here,

982
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 3: I also think teams have gotten way better at it.

983
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 3: Like Dan Campbell is at the forefront of it, but

984
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 3: like teams now all employee game theory people.

985
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, like no, And I've talked to a lot of

986
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 2: I probably say my best sources in sports or NFL GMS,

987
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 2: xgm's current GMS guys that want to be GMS, and

988
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 2: they've always said that a coach is a CEO. If

989
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 2: you get the schemes along with it, it's a total bonus.

990
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 2: But they've got to be a part psychologist. Bill Parcells

991
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 2: was brilliant at that. They've got to be an understanding

992
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 2: of personnel. Jimmy Johnson was a master of that. They

993
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 2: have to be play designers. Sean Payton, Andy Reid Shanahan

994
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 2: masters of that, and that clock management is often you

995
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 2: have a sense that that's what you do during the week.

996
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 2: You do all these two minute drills and red zone drills,

997
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 2: and then you let the game develop. And Phil Jackson

998
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 2: used to never call the first time out. I covered

999
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 2: that Blazer Lakers series with the iconic shack dunk. The

1000
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 2: Blazers took ten point leads multiple times. Phil wanted his

1001
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: team to figure out dilemmas. His theory was, I'm not

1002
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 2: going to I'm not calling the first time out. I

1003
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 2: want you to figure it out because when that happens

1004
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 2: again later in a game, we have a dynamic. We

1005
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 2: have been through this. And so Phil was like, I

1006
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 2: don't It's like being a parent. I'm not going to

1007
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 2: solve all your issues. You need to solve some of

1008
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 2: your issues. So a lot of this stuff, especially early

1009
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 2: in the season. I want to see if cam Ward

1010
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 2: can handle the clock. We're not going to the super Bowl.

1011
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 2: What I have to find out is can I get

1012
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 2: him from Week three to week twelve to be a

1013
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 2: better quarterback. I'm not solving all your issues. So I

1014
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 2: was told that years ago by a guy, like what

1015
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 2: he goes when people beat he goes, you don't know

1016
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 2: the injuries. A lot of times you can't use certain

1017
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 2: substitution patterns. You're like, why don't you go get this, Yeah,

1018
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 2: you can't actually use it, but you didn't advertise it

1019
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 2: to the other team that that tight end is hurt.

1020
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 2: And he's like, there's matchups that are a problem. There's

1021
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: sometimes a GM told me this once he goes, you'll

1022
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 2: go into certain weeks by November and you literally have

1023
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 2: a guard that it's got twelve to eighteen snaps in him,

1024
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 2: and you're just try. Kurt Shilling once told me when

1025
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 2: he got old, he goes, I had twelve fastballs. You

1026
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 2: can't use him in the first two winnings. You've got

1027
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 2: to save them. You'll go in and have a right

1028
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 2: guard and you're like, he's got about fifteen snaps, but

1029
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 2: we need forty, and so you run to the other side.

1030
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 2: You don't do as you know, pass protect against that matchup.

1031
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 2: So it literally, you know, there's other things. Now the

1032
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 2: backups get hurt and you're like, well, we don't have

1033
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 2: another slot corner, so we're gonna have to play softer

1034
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 2: coverage here because that's a physical receiver. So through the

1035
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 2: years I've learned there's a lot of stuff you just

1036
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 2: don't advertise. But you go into games by November, you've

1037
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 2: got all sorts of holes. You just can't let them

1038
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,240
Speaker 2: know them in the first two drives.

1039
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, the dirty little secret is like, our jobs are

1040
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 3: to be interesting and to have big, strong opinions which

1041
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 3: are interesting and hopefully entertaining. But the ones of those

1042
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,720
Speaker 3: of us who are self aware also will admit, whether

1043
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 3: privately or publicly, in a quiet moment, how much we

1044
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 3: don't know. Like we're operating with limited information. These coaches

1045
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 3: are lying to us. We don't know who is healthy,

1046
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 3: we don't know what the game plans are, we don't

1047
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 3: know a lot of the circumstances around it. And you know,

1048
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 3: Kurt Warner has been doing this thing on Twitter where

1049
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 3: he's like, how do you guys all have such strong

1050
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 3: opinions on Monday before you've watched the tape.

1051
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, because that's when the show starts. Like what

1052
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: do you mean, Like, that's that's that's when the show starts.

1053
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: We watched the game. We just do as best we can.

1054
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: We talk to the people that we can talk to,

1055
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: We do the stat work. Neither reminds me.

1056
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: That reminds me of the There's a moment Theo vonn

1057
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: has a has a podcast. He calls this past weekend. Yeah,

1058
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 2: and he had a guest on and the very it's

1059
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 2: an actor that's very popular, and the guests the actor goes,

1060
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: what did you come up with the name of that,

1061
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 2: And he goes, well, my first show was on Monday,

1062
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 2: so I named it this past weekend. And the guest

1063
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 2: is like, He's like, that's actually brilliant, and he's like, well,

1064
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 2: that's why I named it that it was a Monday

1065
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 2: pod in this past weekend. And it's the same sort

1066
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:17,439
Speaker 2: of thing as the one thing about our business there

1067
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 2: used to be. I think his name was Frank Rich.

1068
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Speaker 2: He was a brilliant writer for the New York Times. Brilliant.

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Speaker 2: I think he was my favorite columnist in the history

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Speaker 2: of the country. I think he went on to write vice.

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Speaker 2: He went from the New York Times. I think he

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00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 2: covered Broadway. He became like the Sunday columnist. I think

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Speaker 2: he was writing one column a week. Frank rich one,

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00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 2: I would read it every week a lot of great columnists.

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Speaker 2: He was next level. And I remember his final column.

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00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 2: He said, what I really regret, And remember this is

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00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,439
Speaker 2: one column a week. I do three hours a day.

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00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 2: He said, sometimes I was forced to have really strong

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Speaker 2: opinions and I just didn't. And I'm like, on one

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00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 2: column a week. But the truth is, yeah, But the

1081
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 2: truth is He's right, like, not every week you have

1082
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 2: this this volcanic emotional irruption over an issue. Now Trump,

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00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 2: I do think historically makes it a little easier if

1084
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 2: you're not a Trump fan, right and are just our

1085
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 2: political country, the tribalism. It's easier now than it was

1086
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,919
Speaker 2: like when he was writing the column ten fifteen years ago.

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00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 2: But it is. That's one of the things in our

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00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 2: business is urgency. I try to make sure I try

1089
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 2: to make stories urgent. I'm not saying something I don't believe,

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00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 2: but you do have to create a sense of energy

1091
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 2: and urgency. You can't go monotone and go here's another story,

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00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 2: like so you know, yeah, right.

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00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 3: By the way, Frank rich veep, which is an incredible comedy.

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00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: By the way, I did not know that Veep. Yeah.

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00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've seen Veep, but that's, of

1096
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 3: course one of the great insult comedy shows ever saw.

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00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 2: It so inappropriate some of the things they said. I'm like,

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01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 2: how do you HBO? Baby?

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01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: HBO? Is how you get away with it?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: Are you kidding?

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01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, he's he's veeped in succession and a New

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01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 3: York Times columnist.

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01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: That's awesome. What great?

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Speaker 2: He's the best Yeah, best columnist I've ever read. And

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01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 2: I mean it was like the Sopranos. It was must

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01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 2: read on Sunday or must watch. Not that much does

1109
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 2: it for me? Now it's streaming. I you know, my

1110
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 2: wife's trying to get me into this Jason Bateman show.

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01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: With yeah, with Jude Law. I haven't started it yet.

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01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I said, god, it's like six episodes. That's

1113
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 2: such a commitment. I watched the Charlie Sheen Dock that

1114
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 2: was two and that was enough. And I mean I

1115
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 2: barely got through it because he was such a has

1116
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 2: Matt spill It was exhausting.

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01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 3: I watched episode one and I haven't hit play on

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01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 3: an episode two. It's just it's a long, slow trainer.

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Speaker 3: Have you have you done the Studio. Did you watch

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01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 3: the Studio?

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Speaker 2: The Apple TV h so, so you know Hollywood loves

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01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 2: Hollywood and the last two Emmys a show about Hollywood

1124
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 2: has won. So I watched an episode. I didn't get

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01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 2: the inside jokes. I am not anti Hollywood. I watched

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01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 2: the Oscars. I like movies. I go to the theater. Still,

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01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 2: I'm kind of I have you know, I've got a

1128
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 2: deal with the Hulu ABC. Now I'm doing I've got another.

1129
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 2: I have another deal. It'll be we just got our

1130
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 2: first script done. I like it. I'm fascinated by it.

1131
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 2: I don't get it. I feel like an outsider, but.

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01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: It is.

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01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 2: What was your question?

1134
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: I forget No you if you'd seen the Studio.

1135
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 2: Oh, I watched Studio. I watched the first episode and

1136
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 2: I didn't get a lot of it. It was a

1137
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 2: lot of esoteric stuff and I just didn't get it.

1138
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 2: And I thought, Okay, they're talking a mile over my head.

1139
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 2: I didn't understand. Now, I watched years ago there was

1140
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 2: a movie called The Player, which was similar in its

1141
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 2: it's stylistically how it was kind of an inside joke

1142
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 2: that for some reason I got. I didn't get the.

1143
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 3: Studio Okay, Yeah, I mean I love Seth Rogan and

1144
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 3: so I and I thought the show shot beautifully and

1145
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 3: so I thought it was hilarious and really well done,

1146
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 3: and it got better as it went. So I was

1147
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 3: just going to recommend it to you if you hadn't

1148
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 3: seen it. There's some seriously hilarious cameos in it, and

1149
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 3: it's absurdist comedy, but it's also shot beautifully cool cinematography.

1150
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 2: So I dug the show. I watched the first episode.

1151
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 2: I didn't go to a second. So you're saying it gets.

1152
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: Better, absolutely, and I think, listen, I don't listen.

1153
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 3: I don't know if twenty three Emmys is you know,

1154
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 3: that seems that seemed a little much. And you're right,

1155
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 3: these things that Hollywood loves Hollywood. But yeah, I was.

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01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 3: I was a big fan of the studio. But I

1157
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 3: also like, I mean, I like most things that Seth

1158
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 3: Rogen does. Like I like anybody who can convince studios

1159
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 3: to give him like eighty million dollars to make end

1160
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 3: of the World's comedy where him and his friends just

1161
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 3: play themselves. Like his scripts, the pitches are like, you know,

1162
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 3: an a sausage party, like we want to do an

1163
01:02:54,280 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 3: R rated animated movie about grocery store items. And it's like, what, Like,

1164
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 3: we like Pineapple Express. We want to do an action movie,

1165
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 3: stoner comedy that involves shootouts and explosions.

1166
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: We'd like one hundred million dollars. You're like what? And

1167
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: he gets them all done? So I love his brain.

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01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: Man Seth Rogen's the best.

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01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,439
Speaker 2: Danny Parkins, you are too, my friend. It's good.

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01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: Good.

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01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 2: We've got to do this more often because every time

1172
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 2: I do it, we just go in a million directions.

1173
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 2: I didn't do any prep for this.

1174
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: That makes tower of us. Yeah, you call me every

1175
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 1: five or six weeks, and I'm a little insulted. I

1176
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 1: want to come on more so anytime. I don't bring

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01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: Nick right on as much because a bit. But you

1178
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: hired Polker. Yeah, I hired and that's a good call.

1179
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 2: Like I got what I want.

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01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 1: I don't need you any more. Yeah, yeah, I realized

1181
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: what happened there.

1182
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what's right with a little V next

1183
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 3: to it, and so you don't need to bring anymore.

1184
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: I'm happy to fill the void, happy to thanks buddy. Yeah,

1185
01:03:59,120 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: the volume.

1186
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 2: Okay, have you heard about this? Last year degree changed

1187
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 2: the formula for their cool Rush deodorant, and their fans

1188
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 2: rebelled and wanted the old sent back and degree listens

1189
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 2: that doesn't happen often. They admitted they aft up and

1190
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 2: they're bringing back the original cool Rush scent. They're bringing

1191
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 2: it back and it's exactly how you remember it, cool,

1192
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 2: crisp and fresh. There's a reason it's the number one

1193
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 2: men's any pursepriant and it's back in Walmart, Target and

1194
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 2: other stores now for under four bucks. So try and

1195
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 2: see what the fuss is about. Head to your local

1196
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 2: Walmart or Target to try the og degree cool Rush

1197
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 2: for yourself.