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Speaker 2: We have an amazing show for everybody today. Ryan Grim

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Speaker 2: to talk about twenty twenty four RFK junior headaches for

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden. We're going to be talking about the Ukraine War,

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Speaker 2: let's start with this news. Ryan out of the Biden campaign.

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Speaker 2: Let's put this up there on the screen. Some interesting

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Speaker 2: new leaks from the Biden team about Robert Kennedy Junior

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Speaker 2: and why his bid is a quote headache for Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: So Biden, apparently quote is on cruise control until the

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Speaker 2: heat of the twenty twenty four election. All the nation's

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Speaker 2: his own version of a primary, a campaign to shore

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Speaker 2: anti vaccine activist with a celebrated Democratic lineage who is

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Speaker 2: It is clear there is a softness that is borne

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Speaker 2: If you combine an RFK Junior with Marian Williamson, you're

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Speaker 3: So what do you think?

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Speaker 4: And the very bottom of the piece references some focus

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Speaker 4: grouping and polling done by this organization Way to Win

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Speaker 4: that asks Democrats basically, what's your problem with Biden? When

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Speaker 4: the thing that keeps coming up is, particularly among black

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Speaker 4: all of our achievements and our accomplishments. They got grant

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Speaker 4: and Mayor's going to do a road show across Pennsylvania

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Speaker 4: telling everybody, you know, all the wonderful.

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Speaker 5: Things that they did for them.

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Speaker 4: The problem is they need to do things that people

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Speaker 5: One, raise the minimum wage.

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Speaker 4: Like, you raised the minimum wage, you get asked a question, what.

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Speaker 2: They raised them, talked about some four million people make

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Speaker 4: Thank you for forcing these terrible, stingy bosses to like

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Speaker 5: What has Biden done for me?

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Speaker 2: Maybe they demanded anti war package, anti war stance on Ukraine,

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Speaker 4: so he lists, okay, opposes an assault weapons ban.

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Speaker 4: But so we could argue that one out, but that fine,

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Speaker 4: then they say he suggested American presidential campaigns are rigged.

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Speaker 4: What they're talking about is a big article he wrote

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Speaker 2: the war in Ukraine. And this is a clip that

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Speaker 2: has come out from Russian state television. Again I'm being clear,

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Speaker 2: it's from Russian state television. I would get it from

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Speaker 2: somewhere else. But guess what, Ryan, there is no free

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Speaker 2: media and Russia. So you know, sometimes whenever you play

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Speaker 2: President Trump or Biden, you have to get it from

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Speaker 2: c SPAN or Public Access because that's.

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Speaker 3: The only feed.

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Speaker 2: So it's not because we went out of our way

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Speaker 2: that we are simply trying to show you the words

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Speaker 2: of President Putin. Now, let's go ahead and put this

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Speaker 2: up there. I'm going to read a translation of President Putin.

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Speaker 2: He says, Russia has never rejected negotiations. He says, I

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Speaker 2: want to draw your attention to this that, with the

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Speaker 2: assistance of President Erdowan of Turkey, as you know, Turkey

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Speaker 2: hosted a whole series of negotiations between Russia and Ukraine

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Speaker 2: to develop. Here is the document. It is initial old

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Speaker 2: by the Kiev delegation. The signature is there well after

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Speaker 2: we as promised, with drew troops from Kiev Keiv authorities.

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Speaker 2: In the same way owners usually do, threw it all

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Speaker 2: away to the garbage dump of history. What he is

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Speaker 2: talking about there and alleging is a previously unpublished document

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Speaker 2: of which we are unable to verify, of which it

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Speaker 2: has not been released. That was during a meeting with

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Speaker 2: the South African president, in which he said that Ukraine

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Speaker 2: and Russia in the spring of twenty twenty two had

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Speaker 2: initialed and signed this alleged peace agreement which would have

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Speaker 2: ended the conflict. Now, the reason why this is of

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Speaker 2: interest is because it matches previous reporting that we have

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Speaker 2: brought to everybody from August of twenty twenty two, not

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Speaker 2: by an independent journalist by Fiona Hill, who is a

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Speaker 2: you know, how would you best describer for diplomat Ukraine?

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Speaker 2: You know, well within established in the effort, remember the

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Speaker 2: Washington establishment on this vide who would know inside of

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Speaker 2: foreign affairs. Let's go ahead and put this up there

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Speaker 2: please on the screen. I have the article here in

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Speaker 2: front of me. It's called the World Putin Wants How

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Speaker 2: distortions about the past delusions about There we go, all

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Speaker 2: so let me just pretend I'll put this up all

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Speaker 2: three two one. It's called the World Putin Wants how

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Speaker 2: distortions about the past feed delusions about the future. And

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Speaker 2: in it Ryan she specifically says that Boris Johnson traveled

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Speaker 2: to Kiev in twenty twenty two specifically to try and

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Speaker 2: stop a Ukraine and a Russia peace deal. And we

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Speaker 2: also know that because this actually came out in September

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two. Let's put this please up on

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Speaker 2: the screen from the BBC News that Boris Johnson had

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Speaker 2: publicly warned against the Ukraine and a Russian peace deal,

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Speaker 2: and not only that, actually Ukrainian media and sources at

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Speaker 2: the time also said that they had not supported a

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Speaker 2: Ukraine and Russian peace steal, and that Boris Johnson specifically

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Speaker 2: was one of the NATO ambassadors to come there and

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Speaker 2: to tell them that wasn't a good idea.

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Speaker 3: So we are not cherry picking.

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Speaker 2: We are simply looking at this clip in interest to say, wow, okay,

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Speaker 2: this is something that President Putin and the Russians had

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Speaker 2: long been talking about. There's no evidence he's alleging it

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Speaker 2: in this meeting with the South African president. Is he

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Speaker 2: lying or not? I mean, listen, what are we doing.

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Speaker 2: We're calling on the Russian government released the document. I

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Speaker 2: would love to read it and to hear exactly what

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Speaker 2: it is. It's possibly he's lying, right, It's possible that

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Speaker 2: the document was some sort of like quasi ceasefire around Kiev,

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Speaker 2: you know, in terms of withdrawing tubes.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't a full blown piece deal. If it was, then.

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Speaker 2: They you know, that actually would bolster what the Ukrainians

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Speaker 2: have said, which is that they're liars and false negotiators.

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Speaker 2: But at the very least something went down with Ukraine

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Speaker 2: and Russian Spring of twenty twenty two, and Boris Johnson

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Speaker 2: came and was very upset with it on behalf of NATO.

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Speaker 3: So that's what we know.

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Speaker 4: Right now, and the reporting on that document fairly matches

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Speaker 4: the reporting from what was coming out at the time

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Speaker 4: and the deal as it was being constructed. Now we're

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Speaker 4: gathering this from both sides at this point. Is that

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Speaker 4: Russia would retreat back to the February twenty third, twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty two lines.

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Speaker 5: That's what Fiona Hill says.

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Speaker 4: Basically, Donbas and Crimea would become Russian territory and in exchange,

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Speaker 4: the war would be over. Ukraine would agree not to

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Speaker 4: pursue NATO membership, but would cut security agreements with countries

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Speaker 4: like Germany in the United States, which gives you as

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Speaker 4: much comfort in a situation as being in NATO, because

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Speaker 4: if the United States is going to back you in it. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's why Saudi's not trying to get into NATO.

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Speaker 3: Saudi wants a US security Garan.

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Speaker 2: You don't need NATO they're like, what NATO would look,

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Speaker 2: we don't need that. Here's the irony Rye. What you

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Speaker 2: just described is very likely what is going to happen

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Speaker 2: anyway that Crimea and the Dunboss or at least part

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Speaker 2: of the eastern Dunbas region remains part of Russia. That

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Speaker 2: you're going to get a security guarantee, but it's not

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Speaker 2: going to be part of NATO because guess what, Hungary

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Speaker 2: Turkey always but there's no way they're going to allow

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Speaker 2: to Ukraine into NATO, no matter what the polls and

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Speaker 2: the Latvians and the Lithuanians, all of them say, it's

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Speaker 2: not going to happen.

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Speaker 4: Worse than that if they don't take back a lot

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Speaker 4: of territory during this counter offensive. We're going to talk

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Speaker 4: about that soon. It'll actually be significantly more than just.

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Speaker 5: Don't bost in Crimea exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And hundreds of thousands of people are maimed, wounded,

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Speaker 2: you know, tens of thousands of people are dead on

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Speaker 2: both sides. And if that was what you're going to

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Speaker 2: get anyways, and yeah, history will look upon that as

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Speaker 2: literally as they do upon those Remember those secret agreements

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Speaker 2: from the First World War when they had like territorial

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Speaker 2: and you'll look at some of the initial proposals from August,

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Speaker 2: not August like a few months into the war in

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Speaker 2: nineteen fourteen, and it ends up that the deals that

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Speaker 2: ended up being cut were way worse than that, after

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Speaker 2: millions of people were dead. It's basically what we've been

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Speaker 2: saying here from the very beginning. So look once again,

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Speaker 2: you know, we are not saying that this is necessarily true.

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Speaker 2: I would love for the Russian government to release it,

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Speaker 2: or Ukrainian government, if they believe the Putin's lying, you

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Speaker 2: release it too. You know, you are welcome to release

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Speaker 2: this because it is a great matter of public interest.

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Speaker 2: Boris Johnson specifically, their allegation here has already been made.

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Speaker 2: And remember this too, I believe that you guys talked

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Speaker 2: about it. The Israelly Prime Minister enough Tolly Bennett, after

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Speaker 2: he left office, was on that podcast in Israel where

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Speaker 2: he also confirmed that NATO and the West came in

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Speaker 2: and specifically targeted and shot down this piece deal. So

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Speaker 2: there are multiple pieces of corroborating evidence to back this up.

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Speaker 4: And according to the reporting, the reason that the Ukrainians

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Speaker 4: didn't have a choice in whether or not to make

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Speaker 4: this deal? Was that and this is what the reporting about.

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Speaker 4: Boris Johnson says that you may want a security agreement

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Speaker 4: with US.

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Speaker 3: But according to this deal.

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Speaker 4: Okay, you're saying you won't join NATO, but the US

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Speaker 4: and UK and Germany will back you in a security

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Speaker 4: deal in order to end this war.

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Speaker 3: We won't.

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Speaker 4: And so therefore Ukraine can't go to Russia and accept

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Speaker 4: the terms because they can't force the United States or

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Speaker 4: UK or Germany is to agree to it, which goes

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Speaker 4: back to if you remember this question that I asked

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Speaker 4: Jensaki back here March of twenty twenty two, what is

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Speaker 4: the United States doing to push peace negotiations forward? And

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Speaker 4: is ze Lenski empowered to you know, if he reaches

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Speaker 4: a deal but.

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Speaker 3: The United States will back a deal.

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Speaker 4: Shouldn't really answer that question, and it seems that we

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Speaker 4: know the answer at this point, which is no. That

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Speaker 4: the US felt and the UK and others in NATO

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Speaker 4: felt that this was.

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Speaker 5: A chance to punch Putin in the nose.

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Speaker 4: That his military looked weaker than they expected, so they

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Speaker 4: were going to draw some blood.

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Speaker 3: They literally were going to draw a lot of blood.

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Speaker 4: And so they decided it was in the national interests

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Speaker 4: of the NATO countries to continue the war regardless of

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Speaker 4: what the Ukrainians might want to do at that point.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, we'll find out whether that was the right

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Speaker 2: gambler or not. Personally, have never thought so specifically, not

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Speaker 2: worth the risk relative to any potential reward. Okay, let's

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Speaker 2: go to the next one here, and this actually underscores

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Speaker 2: what you're talking about. Let's put this up there on

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Speaker 2: the screen, the new dispatches from journalists on the frontline

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Speaker 2: in Ukraine. Wall Street Journal quote why Ukraine's offensive likely

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Speaker 2: will be a slow and a costly grind. Kiev and

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Speaker 2: Moscow have spent months preparing for along a vast front line,

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Speaker 2: And specifically what they talk about here is that Ukraine

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Speaker 2: has not had the option because they have not been

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Speaker 2: able to have overwhelming ground assault flying beneath gunships blasting

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Speaker 2: open on a path. Right now, Kiev troops are running

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Speaker 2: into Russian air superiority along the front line, which has

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Speaker 2: been unable to give them the offensive advantage of combined

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Speaker 2: tactics that basically be in a feature of advancing warfare

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Speaker 2: ever since the Second World War. What they point to

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Speaker 2: also is that quote. It was they have been preparing

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Speaker 2: for a long time. They have learned from some of

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Speaker 2: their mistakes in Kharkiv, but that the fighting unfolding now,

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Speaker 2: which is effectively just a slug fest on the battlefield,

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Speaker 2: is fundamentally a battle of readiness both sides since the

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Speaker 2: middle of last year, mustering weapons, troops, and defensive positions

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Speaker 2: for what they knew would be a pivotal moment. Unfortunately

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Speaker 2: for them, despite amassing, you know, billions and billions of dollars,

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Speaker 2: Moscow still has called up over two hundred thousand soldiers.

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Speaker 2: They have dug trenches, they've prepared fighting firing positions to

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Speaker 2: stop the ukra Aranians, and they have spent spread quote

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Speaker 2: millions of land mines in placed by minds viewing rockets

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Speaker 2: fired from mobile launchers. The Ukrainian unit which was driving

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Speaker 2: these advanced equipment earlier, which drove into those was incapacitated.

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Speaker 2: Several tanks and armored fighting vehicles, and other units have

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Speaker 2: faced multiple aerial attacks from helicopter gunships, missiles launched from

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Speaker 2: both the air and the ground. All of these defensive

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Speaker 2: capabilities of the Russians are making it more difficult than

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Speaker 2: the original Spring offensive for the Ukrainians. Because frankly, the

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Speaker 2: Russians had a long time to prepare for it. They

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Speaker 2: had just as long and mobilization they had the mobilization.

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Speaker 2: It also gets to something we pointed out here which

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Speaker 2: a lot of people didn't want to hear, but clearly

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Speaker 2: the Russian or the Ukrainian effort to waste tens of

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Speaker 2: billions of dollars in their latest campaign effectively in a

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Speaker 2: complete battle of attrition street by street of which they

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Speaker 2: ultimately lost after being pushed out of the city, was

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Speaker 2: obviously a colossal miss because that's exactly what US generals

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Speaker 2: told them not to do repeatedly. They said, hey, you

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Speaker 2: need to save all this AMMO and all these men

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Speaker 2: and all these weapons for the actual coming counter offensive.

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Speaker 2: And instead they spent somewhere upwards of ten to fifteen billion,

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Speaker 2: you know, simply on the defense of a city that

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Speaker 2: they ultimately completely lost, which was tactically a massive or

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Speaker 2: strategically a massive mistake. They said they were bleeding the

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Speaker 2: Russians dry. It's like, well, the Russians have more troops,

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Speaker 2: you know, they have an unlimited number of men, they

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Speaker 2: have an industrial base, they have a real military that

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Speaker 2: they're able to resupply and able to manufacture. They have

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Speaker 2: all of the defensive capabilities of real nation state. You're

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Speaker 2: a nation being literally invaded, you know right now, it's

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Speaker 2: very difficult.

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Speaker 4: For you, right Ukraine can't win a war of attrition

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Speaker 4: against Russia for the reasons that you pointed out. One

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Speaker 4: just the immense population advantage that Russia has and its

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Speaker 4: willingness to kind of grab people and throw them into

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Speaker 4: the meat grinder of the front lines, as well as

656
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Speaker 4: as you said, the Ukrainian economy is absolutely destroyed because

657
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Speaker 4: they are currently the scene of a gruesome war. Russia

658
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 4: is not Russia. There was a fire in Moscow yesterday

659
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 4: that was making news.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 4: There have been you know, sporadic kind of attacks across

662
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Speaker 4: the border by you know, Ukrainian linked, independent pro Russian

663
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Speaker 4: anti Russian groups or whatever.

664
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Speaker 3: But that's it.

665
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Speaker 5: They're not they're not facing a full scale war.

666
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Speaker 2: So the same thing as your capital being literally bombed

667
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Speaker 2: most times over constantly thousands while at front line.

668
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Speaker 4: So yes, so as a result, they need big sweeping

669
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Speaker 4: victories like they had with that surprise counter offensive, and

670
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Speaker 4: there just isn't the space for a surprise.

671
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Speaker 3: Now we're early. You can put up this next.

672
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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's put the element which is saying which is

673
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 4: just brutal news for the Ukrainian forces here, saying that

674
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 4: they're going to be pausing and reevalued possibly pausing. Now,

675
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 4: so there's two possible plies here. One is that this

676
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 4: is kind of could be a faint active disinformation from

677
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Speaker 4: one of from basically the most loyal news outlet to

678
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Speaker 4: the Ukrainian forces in Kiev that is trying to convince

679
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Speaker 4: the Russians that what you're seeing is true or it

680
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 4: is true and they are actually pausing and reevaluating based

681
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Speaker 4: on just the structural disadvantages that you mentioned. For one

682
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty years, this has been warfare that the

683
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Speaker 4: dug in side, the defensive side, has a massive advantage

684
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Speaker 4: over the side that is having to leave their trench.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look right now, Look, the best case

686
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Speaker 2: for the Ukrainians is the Russian I laid this out

687
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Speaker 2: previously why I thought it was wrong. But here's a

688
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: good case, which is Russia spent also billions of dollars

689
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Speaker 2: and exhausted a lot of.

690
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Speaker 3: Men's special forces in Bakhma.

691
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Speaker 2: All these guys got blasted to death for basically, you know,

692
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: a smoking scrap of ground. Their forces are very tired

693
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Speaker 2: after having gone through this advance. They were the attacking

694
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 2: force and now they're on the back foot while it

695
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: is easier to defend where lack of their lack of morale,

696
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: being tired watching their friends die, they're not gonna want

697
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: to be the fight. They don't want to be the Yeah,

698
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Speaker 2: I mean, they literally don't want to be there, most

699
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Speaker 2: of them. Can you imagine being put in that situation,

700
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Speaker 2: and so they're the ones who are more likely to flee.

701
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Speaker 3: And all it takes is won. You just need one breakthrough.

702
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Speaker 2: The pushback that I've seen to that is just simply

703
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 2: that given the defensive capabilities of the Russians and their

704
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: current air superiority on the front line, that it's just very,

705
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Speaker 2: very difficult for them to be able to push through.

706
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: Part of why the Ukrainians what do they want more

707
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 2: than anything F sixteen specifically to try and challenge this

708
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Speaker 2: air superiority. But of course, you know they claim they

709
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Speaker 2: won't use it inside of Russia, right Ryan, we just

710
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: totally believe that.

711
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 3: Let's go and put this final one up.

712
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Speaker 2: There on the screen just to show you the you know,

713
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: the expanding consequences of this. The New York Times put

714
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: together a story where you can believe it if you want,

715
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: saying why the evidence suggests Russia has blown up the

716
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Speaker 2: Kakovia Dam. The dam in Ukraine was designed to withstand

717
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: almost any attack imaginable from the outside. Evidence suggests right

718
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: now that Russia blew it up from within. They use

719
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Speaker 2: some you know, defense, They used some forensic analysis and

720
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Speaker 2: analysis of what the quote unquote Achilles heel inside of

721
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: the dam was that was built during Soviet times. Because

722
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 2: Moscow had the engineering drawings and knew the exact place

723
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: where to blow up the dam, they say it was

724
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: more likely that they did it, and because they had

725
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: control of the dam at the time, that it was

726
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 2: obviously going to be easier for them to be abble

727
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: to plant in internal device, you know. At the same time,

728
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 2: it's not like the Ukrainians had an ad control of

729
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: the dam, so they possibly also had access to that.

730
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Speaker 2: And it's also not like blowing up infrastructure by infiltrating

731
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Speaker 2: it through spyplots like as in the case of the

732
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Speaker 2: Crimean bridge, that they have done that before or mounted

733
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: attacks inside of Russia. So look, the evidence they say

734
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Speaker 2: was it was likely crippled set off an explosion by

735
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Speaker 2: the side that controls it, but of course they haven't

736
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Speaker 2: proven it by any any definitive way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's difficult to know what and when and

738
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 4: how to believe the media in normal times. When it

739
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 4: comes to wartime, there's so much propaganda that that you

740
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 4: have to sift through to try to get to the truth.

741
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: But I do encourage.

742
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 4: People to read this piece because you know, we don't know.

743
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 3: It's information is good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I learned a lot about the dam I was like,

745
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 2: all right, that's interesting, Well, whoever did it? I was like,

746
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: all right, well, the damn clearly blew ou from means

747
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 2: very likely blow up from means.

748
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 4: The argument does seem strong that in order for this

749
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 4: damn to get blown up, because its Soviet era, you know,

750
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 4: intended to be able to withstand an attack from the

751
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Speaker 4: United States basically or from Germany, that there was only

752
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 4: one way to blow it up, and that's with massive

753
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 4: amounts of explosives, you know, put inside the damn way

754
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 4: down below. Then they have some corroborating evidence that there

755
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 4: are massive explosions if you believe that corroborating evidence, and

756
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 4: maybe the most telling detail is that there. You ought

757
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 4: to have been able to see the foundation all the

758
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 4: way across it if the foundation wasn't blown. But there's

759
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 4: this area where you can see that the foundation is missing.

760
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 4: And so it does seem somebody blew that. How Ukraine

761
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 4: would get in there is difficult to imagine how they

762
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 4: could possibly get like so it to me the logic

763
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 4: and the evidence does point in that direction, but we're

764
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 4: still too early in the fog awar be able to

765
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 4: say definitively.

766
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: I can't say definitively. It was a disaster for a

767
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: lot of millions, billions of people. They got flooded out

768
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: of their homes. They think disease is now going to proliferate,

769
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: and you know, war's hell.

770
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Speaker 3: It truly is.

771
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the next part here. We're

772
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: going to talk about Trump and this new interview. We

773
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 2: did our best here. Trump did a one hour interview

774
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: on the Fox Nearest channel that aired last night, and

775
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: there are so many good moments. We will start with

776
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: the newsier elements, then we will play our personal favorite clip.

777
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 3: Ryan.

778
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: Let's start with the news asked about the documents case,

779
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: of which he certainly is not doing himself. Any favors

780
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: in this, some politics and more. Here's what he had

781
00:36:58,360 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: to say.

782
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Speaker 8: That you had a document to ten billing a plan

783
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 8: attack on another country that was prepared by the US

784
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 8: military for you when you were president, the Iran attack plan.

785
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Speaker 8: You remember that ready, you were a recording.

786
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 1: It was a a document. I had lots of paper.

787
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: I had copies of newspaper articles, I had copies of

788
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: magazine spread There was no document that was a massive

789
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: amount of papers and everything else talking about Iran and

790
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: other things. And it may have been held up or

791
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: may not, but that was not a document. I didn't

792
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: have a document per se.

793
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 8: The suggestion was that you wanted this as evidence that

794
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 8: the military, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General Milli,

795
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 8: had preemptively sent you plans for a possible attack on Iran,

796
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 8: and that you didn't order that to happen.

797
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: That's the suggect. I never ordered it to happen.

798
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 8: No, but that's why you wanted the document.

799
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen a document from Milli, frankly,

800
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: was incompetent. The last one I'd want to attack with

801
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: as my leader would be Milli. Continuation.

802
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 8: More independent voters watch Fox News than any other TV source.

803
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 3: At Lesson used to watch it a lot less. Right,

804
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 3: We couldn't help but put that out there. It's just

805
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 3: too good for him to go after him. Yes, a

806
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 3: lot less than you think. I mean, hey, he's right.

807
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 3: Trump is certainly right.

808
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that documents thing, though, what did he

809
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: He did not do himself any favors Ryan, because he

810
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: both admitted having possession of classified information and then withholding

811
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: it from the grand jury, which I don't think a

812
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: lot of people are understanding this. Trump is being charged

813
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 2: with a process crime, like he's being charged specifically with

814
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 2: the set of facts where they're like.

815
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Speaker 3: We asked for it, he didn't give it all to us.

816
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: He's on tape saying that he knew it was classified,

817
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: not declassified properly, and that he didn't do it.

818
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 3: That's it. I mean, they don't they don't have to

819
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 3: litigate the political nature.

820
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 2: They don't even have to re litigate what's in the

821
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: document at all. It's literally like did you do it

822
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: or not? It's very narrowly defined as an offense.

823
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 4: And what they have now is basically his explanation. Yeah,

824
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 4: now believe it or not. But his explanation for why

825
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 4: he was withholding the documents was that he wanted to

826
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 4: go through it himself and he didn't want to be rushed.

827
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 3: He's very busy and as he says, there's t.

828
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 4: Shirts and other golfing memorabilia that are in all these boxes,

829
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 4: and he wants to take his time and you know,

830
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 4: sift through these documents, make sure he doesn't accidentally turn

831
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 4: some some golf trophies, you know, back to Nara.

832
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 3: And you know, because he you know, he worked hard

833
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 3: for that.

834
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 4: He cheat, he cheated hard for those golf tournaments, yes, trophies,

835
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 4: and so therefore, uh, he then you know, kind of stalled,

836
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 4: like that's basically what he's saying, and you can't.

837
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 5: You can't do that now because.

838
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 2: That's not a legal defense for why exactly this is

839
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: what I keep trying to say.

840
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 4: He says, write a letter back to them and say,

841
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 4: I want to go through the documents myself.

842
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 5: You relax.

843
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 3: Is that okay, you will get your stuff.

844
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 5: When you get your stuff, I have it.

845
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 3: Yes, just chill.

846
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 4: That would have been a defense that he could make. Instead,

847
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 4: he lied and said we've given you everything. There is

848
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 4: nothing left. Hey, go go hide everything over here. Uh,

849
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 4: and then because he's incompetent, a bad criminal, they learn

850
00:39:58,800 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 4: about this and then they raid.

851
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 3: Look, I mean people should know this.

852
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: You've been watching us for years, Like you're not looking

853
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: at people who ever trumped up Russia Gate claims, who

854
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 2: think most of the stuff brought against Trump was bs

855
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 2: and not or at the very least did not rise

856
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 2: to the proper way that he should have been impeached.

857
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 2: And I'm telling you right now this is a serious

858
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: one simply because of the way that it is narrowly

859
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 2: defined as an offense, and that the facts that the

860
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: government presented thus far have not been refuted on the

861
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Speaker 2: actual facts themselves. That is going to fly in a

862
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 2: court of law. Politically, you can make all the cases

863
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 2: you want about selective prosecute, of which, by the way,

864
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: I think is true. You know, I think hill Rick

865
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: Clinton should have been prosecuted. I think that there is

866
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 2: a double standard. I think this is political in nature.

867
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Speaker 2: All of that is true, but that's not gonna fly

868
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: in a court of law. In a court of law,

869
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 2: you have to argue on the merits themselves, and once

870
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Speaker 2: the case was brought.

871
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Speaker 3: It's a tough one.

872
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: Ryan, It really is a tough one politically. There was

873
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: a hilarious moment everyone where Brett I have no idea

874
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: how Trump actually let Brett Bayer get through all of this.

875
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: Bear reads off lists of all these people who used

876
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 2: to work for Trump who now say that he should

877
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: not be president again.

878
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 3: It literally goes on for almost.

879
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: A minute, and it is one of the most hilarious

880
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 2: montages of television I have ever seen, including Trump's response,

881
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 2: Let's take a listen.

882
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 8: Okay, in twenty sixteen, you said that I'm going to

883
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 8: surround myself with only the best and most serious people.

884
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: Well I did do that this time tremendous. Look, we

885
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: had the best economy we've ever had. This time has

886
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: ever seen.

887
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 8: Your Vice President, Mike Pence is running against you. You're

888
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 8: Ambassador of the United Nations. Nikki Haley, she's running against you.

889
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 8: Your former Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo said he's not

890
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 8: supporting you. You mentioned National Security Advisor John Bolton, he's

891
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 8: not supporting you either. You mentioned Attorney General Bill Barr

892
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 8: says you shouldn't be president again. It calls you the

893
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 8: consummate narcissist and troubled man you recently called a bar

894
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 8: a gutlass pig. Your second Defense secretary is not supporting

895
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 8: you called you irresponsible. This week, you and your White

896
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 8: House called your White House Chief of Staff John Kelly

897
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 8: weak and ineffective and born with a very small brain.

898
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 8: You called your acting White House Chief of Staff Mick

899
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 8: Mulvaney a born loser. You called your first Secretary of

900
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 8: State Rex Tillerson, dumb as a rock, and your first

901
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 8: Defense Secretary of James mattis the world's most overrated general.

902
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 8: You called your White House Press Secretary of Kather Nanny

903
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 8: Milk toast, and multiple times you've referred to your Transportation

904
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 8: Secretary Elaine Choo as Mitch McConnell's China loving wife. So

905
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 8: why did you hire all of them?

906
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 3: How good is that? And he's like, so that, why

907
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 3: did you hire? Why did you?

908
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: And what I love about Trump is he's just asserted,

909
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: like nods along.

910
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, you said that, a small brain.

911
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 4: He's like admiring his work. He's like, that's good material.

912
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 2: I always say this to the people who you know,

913
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 2: we had on a Trump guy here on the show

914
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 2: with during the panel with Ryan Gerdusky, and I was like, man, look,

915
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 2: why do you have confidence is going to be different

916
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 2: this time around. You know, he doesn't care. Like, at

917
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 2: what point are people just going to at that through

918
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 2: their heads?

919
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 3: You know.

920
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: I've told this story before. I interviewed Trump several times.

921
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: He literally acts like a child, you know, whenever you're

922
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: in the Oval office. I remember I was asking him

923
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 2: a question and he was sitting there. He literally got

924
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: distracted by a piece of paper on his desk and

925
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: he like picked it up in a tactile way that,

926
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 2: you know, like a child would, and just was like mystified,

927
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: like what this certificate.

928
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 3: Was that he had to sign as president.

929
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: And I'm like asking him about Kuwait or so, you know,

930
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 2: like bases in Bahrain or something like.

931
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 3: And I was like, wow, dude, I was like, you know,

932
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 3: you don't care about this at all.

933
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe that's my fault, you know, like I

934
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: should have been engaging him whenever I was talking to him.

935
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 2: Certainly I believe that you should try and do that,

936
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 2: but more so in terms of his personal character, like

937
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: that's who he is, that he doesn't care about staff

938
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 2: and governing in the moment. As long as you're willing

939
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 2: to kiss his ass, he'll hire you. Happily, you know,

940
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: con and then the moment you depart, it's like, oh,

941
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: he was always a loser, you know, And it's just

942
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 2: but at the same time, who are we Ryan? People

943
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 2: don't care? At this point seven years, everybody knows what

944
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: they're buying. Everybody knows what they're getting, and the Republican

945
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 2: base has made clear we love Trump, we don't care

946
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 2: about that. And I just think a lot of people

947
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 2: don't need to be honest when they're like, oh, he's

948
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: going to select the best people and he's really going

949
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: to get done.

950
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 3: What he says.

951
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: I'm just like, okay, you know, I mean, if that

952
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 2: makes you sleep better at night, that's fine, but you know,

953
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: it's just not true. I get what they're really saying is, well,

954
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: the one thing he promised me is to make libs mad,

955
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: and guess what, he's very successful at that.

956
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

957
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 4: And the other element of his answer is that, well,

958
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 4: ten of the people that I hired were good for

959
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 4: every one bozo and the result is this incredible Economy's

960
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 4: like basically just listed all of your tough people over

961
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 4: the course of four years. But again, like, yeah, people,

962
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 4: if you're a Trump supporter, you're like who cares.

963
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 3: He's right about it. He's right, he's the guy.

964
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 4: He does have a small brain, right, the guy is

965
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 4: like the worst general, most overrated general ever.

966
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 3: Whatever.

967
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you know, over and over again you

968
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 2: see what Trump He's like, I believe in X. And

969
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 2: we'd be like, well, okay, well why are you hiring

970
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 2: people that don't believe that? And he'd be like, well,

971
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: you know they're working against me. I'm like, yeah, but

972
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 2: you hired that. We're not talking about permanent people in

973
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 2: the bureaucracy, right, like, we're talking about people you literally hired.

974
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 3: Why did you do that?

975
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 2: And it just it never has a good answer. You

976
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: blame it on us, someding like, oh that was Ryan's previouses. Guy,

977
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, but you're the president, dude, Like you

978
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 2: can decide whether you want to hire somebody or not.

979
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 2: And I love too. He's got all these Twitter videos

980
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 2: that are coming out now. He's like we need space

981
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: travel and flying cars and all. I'm like, dude, you're

982
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 2: just talking like you were the president. Man, like you

983
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: are you. We know exactly what you're gonna do. The

984
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 2: one piece of good news for if he does potentially

985
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 2: win the presidency. Guys, can we put this up there

986
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: on the screen? This is the best news for the

987
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 2: country I've ever seen. Would you want Jared and Ivanka

988
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 2: to serve in a sucking Trump administration?

989
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 9: No?

990
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 3: I said, that's enough for the family. You know why.

991
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 2: It's too painful for the family. My family has been

992
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: through a lot. So he's not firing Jared and Ivanka

993
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 2: for the right reason. But you know what, I think

994
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 2: we're all better off than little boy Wonder playing diplomat,

995
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 2: playing criminal justice reform, and playing whatever the hell else

996
00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 2: he was supposed to be doing in the White House

997
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 2: at the time. Genuinely one of the most unimpressive people

998
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: to ever have it the residents of the White House.

999
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 3: He'll find a way to cash in. Yeah, I'm sure

1000
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 3: you're right. He's already cash in. What are you talking about.

1001
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 2: He's got two billion dollars from Saudi Arabia, So yeah,

1002
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: you're right.

1003
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 3: Why should he come back?

1004
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 2: He got exactly what he needed. All right, let's go

1005
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 2: to the next one. This is a very interesting I

1006
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 2: want to spend some time on this, guys. QUI put

1007
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 2: this up there on the screen, please. JP Morgan's internal

1008
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: report about its ties to Jeffrey Epstein actually just leaked

1009
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 2: out yesterday. This was the twenty nineteen report that was

1010
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: compiled around the time of the Epsteine arrest and whenever

1011
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: he died in prison a note I said, died in prison,

1012
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 2: not committed suicide in prison. And in that report they

1013
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 2: reviewed its ties to Jeffrey Epstein. They found quote that

1014
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 2: he had regularly given business advice to the one time

1015
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: JP Morgan executive Jess Staley and invited him to meetings

1016
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: with senior officials in foreign governments. So that's why I

1017
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: wanted to spend time on this anytime we get lee.

1018
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 2: I mean, of course, you know Staley's disgusting behavior. I've

1019
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 2: talked to you about before. He sent Epstein an email

1020
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: after he left the island and he said that was

1021
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 2: fun say hi to snow White for me. Okay, disgusting

1022
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: And you know what, Epstein replied, He said, which character

1023
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 2: would you like to try out? And it's just like

1024
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: it makes me want to throw up. But importantly, is

1025
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: not just the crimes, the heinous crimes that were competed

1026
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: against these young girls and some of these women, is

1027
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: the level of penetration that he had with not only

1028
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 2: our business elites, but our foreign.

1029
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 3: Governments and possible intelligence services.

1030
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: And actually we got some of the names of these

1031
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 2: government officials of which had come out here. I'm going

1032
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: to go ahead and shave some of them here for you.

1033
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 2: So they include the Dubai Sulkan Ahmed bin Suleiman so

1034
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: a senior member of the Emarati royal family. The British

1035
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 2: politician Peter Mendelssohn, so Are Mandelssohn. Mandelssohn importantly is not

1036
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 2: just a member of the House of Lords, actually very

1037
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 2: wealthy businessman. And Epstein was trying to connect associates for

1038
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 2: the bank and Internet to finance international expansion. He wrote

1039
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 2: emails actually to Bin Suleiman and to Staley to set

1040
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: up meetings between them and advised him Staley the banker,

1041
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: on how to conduct himself, what to expect from him,

1042
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: And in one email he said that the Sultan is

1043
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 2: laying the groundwork for you to establish a serious presidence.

1044
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: They need your reputation in the region right now is poor.

1045
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: So Bin Suleiman importantly is the port operator for one

1046
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:35,439
Speaker 2: of the largest companies in the Emirates. End quote had

1047
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 2: several visits scheduled to the Epstein townhouse between twenty eleven

1048
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 2: and and fourteen, and after his conviction after I mean,

1049
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: of course, all of this happened after the conviction, after

1050
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: he was a registered sex offender. When it comes to

1051
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 2: the House of Lords Member two, he says, I very

1052
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 2: much regret ever.

1053
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 3: Being introduced to him. That's what they always say.

1054
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: He never had any but I never had any business

1055
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 2: or professional relationship. But they say and actually show emails

1056
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 2: private bankers advise Epstein's on how to structure a deal

1057
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: for an unnamed client to actually buy a painting from

1058
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 2: the lord. That client was actually Leon Black, who was

1059
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 2: the member of the head of Apollo Management, who was

1060
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 2: one of the wealthiest financiers in the entire world and

1061
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: a great fan of Jeffrey Epstein, who had funneled some

1062
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 2: hundred billion dollars one hundred million dollars or so to

1063
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 2: him for quote unquote tax advice, which I'm sure that's

1064
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: what he needed from him. And look, I mean, I

1065
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: just think that this is really this is pure speculation.

1066
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 3: It's not a confirmation.

1067
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: But you know, his benefit to foreign intelligent services and

1068
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: his ability here to clearly to not only connect business

1069
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 2: elites and financial elites with foreign governments does show you

1070
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 2: that there was something going on else behind the scenes,

1071
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 2: because of course foreign intelligence service would have a tremendous

1072
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 2: interest in the comings and goings of the members of

1073
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 2: the House of Lords of you know, Emarati princes and

1074
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 2: their business dealings, things like that. And then even more

1075
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 2: so Ryan, what we would see is that his ability

1076
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: to connect into influence the said policy through money and

1077
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: all that would of course also be of great.

1078
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 3: Interest to them. Right, And we should never forget a

1079
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 3: couple of things.

1080
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 4: One that the prosecutor who went soft on him said,

1081
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 4: I was told that he was intelligence, so therefore I.

1082
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 3: Should go soft on him.

1083
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 4: We have a remarkable number of just on the record,

1084
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 4: you know, confessions around this.

1085
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 3: And then there was that critical.

1086
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 4: Reporting from when his townhouse was rated that the FBI

1087
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Speaker 4: had told CNN or somebody else that they had gotten

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Speaker 4: a safe that was filled with CDs that had name

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00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 4: of high profile person and then girl and age. And

1090
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 4: so they found his compromot, they found his blackmail. They

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00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 4: we already knew that it was the most wired up

1092
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 4: townhouse ever. You can imagine that his plane, boat's eye,

1093
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 4: all these other venues are also completely wired with you know,

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00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 4: video and audio, and so then we know that there

1095
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 4: are these CDs.

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00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 3: Where are those CDs?

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00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 10: Like?

1098
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 5: What what happened with that?

1099
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 3: Like that? That was like, if you're a credible law.

1100
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 4: Enforcement agency that is actually trying to unravel this child

1101
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 4: sex ring, you just opened a safe and found all

1102
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 4: of the evidence that you need to round everybody up.

1103
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 4: Not one single person gets rounded up as a result

1104
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 4: of all of those leads.

1105
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 2: My bet is that whatever that CD is doesn't exist anymore,

1106
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 2: probably was set.

1107
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 3: There's a fire or a flood or something.

1108
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 2: Real, really crazy stuff happens in some of these evidence rooms. Shocking,

1109
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: you know, you know, don't they have disaster plans something

1110
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 2: going on, like with Trump when they fake flood something

1111
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: they actually followed that is confirm right, They never confirmed

1112
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 2: that they flooded that. And also it turns out I

1113
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 2: didn't even do anything fundily enough, So I guess they're

1114
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 2: even you know, bad at covering it enough. But listen,

1115
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 2: that's the latest from the report inside of JP Morgan.

1116
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 2: I think it just confirms multiple things. They knew exactly

1117
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 2: was a sex offender. They kept doing business with them

1118
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 2: for existence and ties to foreign clients, but the foreign

1119
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 2: government piece, to me is the single most important one

1120
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 2: because that shows you a much higher level of involvement,

1121
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 2: not just of corruption amongst the high financiers and the

1122
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 2: highest elite on Wall Street, but of direct ties to

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00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,919
Speaker 2: very very senior government officials, former presidents of the United

1124
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 2: States like Bill Clinton, and more impossible compromising information.

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00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 3: So the more that we get on that.

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Speaker 2: We'll keep everybody updated. It remains one of the most

1127
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 2: important stories in the entire country. Okay, next part this.

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Speaker 2: I cannot tell you Ryan, how obsessed I am with this.

1129
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 3: Guys. Let's put this up on the screen please.

1130
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 2: Pod News Industry Trade Journal gives us a little bit

1131
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: of the scoop on Megan Markle and her breakup with Spotify. So,

1132
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: for those who don't know, the Duke and Duchess as

1133
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 2: they style themselves, have a podcast company. It was called

1134
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 2: Archiwell they are not their contract renewed from Spotify. Not

1135
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 2: only that, they may not actually actually even get the

1136
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 2: full twenty million dollars full of the contract because they

1137
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 2: did not meet their productivity clauses.

1138
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 3: What they now say is.

1139
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 2: One of the most insane things I've ever heard, Ryan.

1140
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: This woman was paid twenty million for twelve episodes, even

1141
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,919
Speaker 2: that she could not do the work in the correct way.

1142
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 2: Pod News has heard from multiple sources that some interviews

1143
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 2: on her show were done by other staffers with her

1144
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 2: questions edited in afterwards. So mechanically, let's explain this, everybody.

1145
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 2: It would be as if there were only two shots

1146
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 2: in this show, one of you and one of me.

1147
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 2: You talk, you know, you give answers and all that,

1148
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: and somebody, one of our producers, let's say Griffin is

1149
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 2: standing in here for me, and then they were I,

1150
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 2: because my schedule is so important, I would come in

1151
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 2: later after I got my beauty sleep, and then I

1152
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: would sit here like I am right now, and I'm like, yes, run,

1153
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 2: I'd be looking at you, and nobody would be People

1154
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 2: would be numb the wiser, right, especially if we're only

1155
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 2: doing a audio. I mean, what is this an animated movie? Like, like,

1156
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 2: what are we doing?

1157
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 3: We're doing a podcast. You don't have an hour to

1158
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 3: sit down and to interview somebody. And here's the thing.

1159
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 3: It wasn't even good. It didn't even chart your questions. Yeah,

1160
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 3: somebody will write question.

1161
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 2: When you're this rich and you're famous and you're doing

1162
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 2: twenty million, you know, for some BS deal plus a

1163
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 2: Netflix deal and also the nonsense you could pay people.

1164
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 3: All you've got to do is sit down in the chair.

1165
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 3: You don't do anything. Put a prompter up in front

1166
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 3: of you.

1167
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 2: We do so much work over here, and I just

1168
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 2: want to know, Ryan, how do I get paid twenty

1169
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 2: million dollars to not to not do anything?

1170
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 3: You got to know what is happening. You got to

1171
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 3: be former royalty. You're right, I have to be a

1172
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 3: divorce who breaks up the royal family.

1173
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 4: But this is this is going to be very difficult news.

1174
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 4: I think the Breaking Points community because you know, you

1175
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 4: can go into the back end and see, you know

1176
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 4: which shows your audience also listens to. That's right, And

1177
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 4: there's about one hundred sent overlap, oh with the Megan Markle.

1178
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 4: So all of you out there, we know, we know

1179
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 4: how that you actually loved all twelve of these episodes,

1180
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 4: five stars across the you know.

1181
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 3: I will tell you I love looking at our also

1182
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 3: listens to. It is all over the map.

1183
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 2: Man, It's like Ben Shapiro and like some you know,

1184
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 2: crazy leftist channel I literally had never heard of, and

1185
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 2: I was like, man, I bet you there's no other

1186
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 2: YouTube channel on Earth that the mega Markele.

1187
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then Meghan Markle. Of course.

1188
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,919
Speaker 2: Look, the reason why this is so hilarious is that

1189
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 2: it has been an open secret inside of the company,

1190
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 2: apparently now for months about how much of a grifter

1191
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 2: this woman is. Enough for Bill Simmons over at The

1192
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 2: Ringer Podcast, which was acquired by Spotify, to call Harry

1193
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 2: and Megan quote a fucking grifter on his latest podcast.

1194
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:47,919
Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.

1195
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 2: I wish I had been involved in the Megan and

1196
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 2: Harry leave Spotify negotiation.

1197
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 3: The grifters. That's the podcast we should have launched with them.

1198
00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 2: So Bail actually reveals that not only did he all

1199
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 2: of that, he reveals that he did a private zoom

1200
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 2: call with Harry about ideas.

1201
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 3: For how their podcast could go.

1202
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 2: And Ryan, this is the late you know, just this

1203
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 2: the latest in a series of in I don't understand

1204
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 2: how these people get these deals, like Bruce Springsteen and Obama.

1205
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 2: Nobody listen, guess what, guys. Obama, he's never gonna let

1206
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 2: his hair down. He's got way too much.

1207
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 3: Riding on this.

1208
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 2: He got Obama, he's a multimillion dollar enterprise. He can't

1209
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 2: be talking, you know, for real, because he's not a man,

1210
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 2: he's a brand. Him and Michelle becoming you know, the

1211
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 2: tour and all of that. All right, So that's Obama

1212
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 2: and Springsteen. I just saw this morning Trevor Noa was

1213
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 2: getting a big Spotify deal. He literally flamed out and

1214
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 2: failed on The Daily Show, one of the great platforms

1215
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 2: that exists in comedy, and now apparently it gets a

1216
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 2: great big deal. This isn't even necessarily out of envy. Look,

1217
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 2: it's fine. You know, we love our business. Yeah, I

1218
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 2: mean a little bit.

1219
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 3: I mean, here's the thing.

1220
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 2: We work very hard here over at breaking points. Okay,

1221
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 2: we you know, our business pro our premium program, we're

1222
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 2: constantly monitoring and you know, very proud of the fact

1223
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 2: they were built this set one hundred percent with a

1224
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 2: dollar a premium subscriber dollars.

1225
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's for real though. I mean, you know, it

1226
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 3: never ends.

1227
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 2: Here for us, Like we take it very seriously, and

1228
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 2: we take our customers and we you know, we look

1229
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 2: at them. You know, every time somebody has a complaint

1230
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 2: or a connection issue or something. We're always doing our

1231
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 2: best in order to make sure that it gets resolved.

1232
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 3: And then I watch these.

1233
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 2: People printing you know, tens of millions of dollars doing

1234
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 2: no work.

1235
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 3: And you know, we see and it's not just us.

1236
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 2: I see so many different independent podcasts in the top ten,

1237
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 2: especially on Spotify. Our show is very popular on Spotify

1238
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 2: in the News and Politics category.

1239
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 3: And you know, I'll.

1240
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 2: Watch these people rate at number fifty five and all that.

1241
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 2: But we know what they're getting paid.

1242
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 3: You don't think Mac and Markle's taking the ticket requests and.

1243
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, try to help people exactly, thank you. Yeah, it's

1244
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 2: like you know me, we personally are running down and

1245
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 2: be like, hey, why is this person's.

1246
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 3: Premium feed not because oh man, you know we sent our.

1247
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 2: Email eleven eighteen Pam And I'm like me and you

1248
00:57:58,320 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 2: you know, I'm riding the step and like, all right, guys,

1249
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 2: we gotta get this out at eleven a m. This

1250
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: is what people are promised for. But apparently now that's

1251
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 2: not the great.

1252
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 3: Line of work.

1253
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 2: What I need to do is move to the UK

1254
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 2: Mary Princess, get them to divorce or prance.

1255
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1256
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 2: Maybe, honestly, you're right, you know, interracial couple, interracial gay

1257
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 2: couple who leaves.

1258
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 3: You're probably right, that would be even better.

1259
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 2: Branding fake a poparazzi, chase and claim a near death

1260
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 2: experience and then sign a twenty million dollar deal. So look,

1261
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 2: I don't even know what else to say, because the

1262
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 2: crazy thing to me is that this era has not ended.

1263
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 2: You know, you would think that this would be some

1264
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 2: zero interest rate phenomenon. We're actually in the middle of

1265
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 2: an ad of recession apocalypse. You know, if you look

1266
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 2: at the way that ad rates have plunged, this is

1267
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 2: why the news media, which is generally you know, other

1268
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 2: than us, who is predominantly reliant on advertising revenue, they're

1269
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 2: making a hell of a lot less money right now.

1270
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 2: Where we lost more media jobs in twenty twenty three

1271
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 2: than we did in all of twenty twenty two already,

1272
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 2: it's only half the year.

1273
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 3: Hundreds of people, thousands of people actually lost their jobs

1274
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 3: in the industry. And yet people like this always.

1275
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 2: Seem to be able to squeeze money out of executives

1276
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 2: at big companies, and it has nothing to do with

1277
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 2: whether people like it or not.

1278
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 3: It's stunning. It really is.

1279
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 5: Just do your own podcast if you're gonna get twenty

1280
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 5: million dollars.

1281
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 3: Yeah right, I don't even know even ask you to

1282
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 3: write the question. Yeah, all right, so be there when

1283
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 3: it's happening.

1284
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 2: That's our Meghan Marko update. Our next podcast should be

1285
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 2: called We Want Privacy?

1286
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 5: What about Harry here?

1287
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 3: What's Is this a Harry podcast too? Or is this

1288
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 3: just supposed to be? I don't know, actually I think

1289
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 3: it was a Megan Markele podcast.

1290
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 4: I'm sure he had some Our audience knows, because there

1291
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 4: are you guys follow this podcast.

1292
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 2: Comment let us know how Prince Harry did in his

1293
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 2: in his podcasting journey Creator journey?

1294
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 3: Isn't that what they call it? There? Online? Breaking news, everybody.

1295
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 2: Just as I was about to do my monologue, this

1296
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 2: came across the wire. Let's put this up there on

1297
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 2: the screen. Hunter Biden pleading guilty to three federal charges.

1298
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 3: So I have the charges here in front of me.

1299
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 2: The information charge, which is the defendant with tax offenses,

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01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 2: namely two counts of willful failure to pay federal income

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Speaker 2: tax and violation of twenty six USC. Seventy two oh three.

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Speaker 2: The defendant has agreed to plead guilty to both counts

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Speaker 2: of tax information. The second information charges the defendant with

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Speaker 2: the firearm offence, namely one count of possession by a

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Speaker 2: firearm by a person who is an unlawful user of

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Speaker 2: or addicted to a controlled substance in violation of eighteen Usc.

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Speaker 2: Nine to twenty two G three and nine twenty four

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Speaker 2: A two twenty eighteen. This defendant has agreed to enter

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Speaker 2: pre trial diversion agreement with respect to the firearm information.

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Speaker 2: The parties jointly request the court schedule a consolidated in

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Speaker 2: appearance on the firearm and initial appearance on the charge

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Speaker 2: the plea hearing of the tax information charges. Ryan, can

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Speaker 2: you break this down for us? What are the specific

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Speaker 2: charges that we should remember and relate to here.

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Speaker 4: So, in the midst of Hunter Biden's bender, he went

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Speaker 4: and bought a firearm, Yes, since when he bought the

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Speaker 4: firearm there was a form that he was required to

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Speaker 4: fill out that asks if he was a drug user?

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Speaker 3: Base Oka, was he using drugs?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 3: He checked? No.

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Speaker 4: He has said in interviews he left crack pipe at

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Speaker 4: a rental car. Well, we have multiple pikes. There's no questions.

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Speaker 4: It's all over the laptop.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no.

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Speaker 4: Question that he was using drugs and so boom, he

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Speaker 4: lied and that is the felony gun charge because by lying,

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Speaker 4: he then becomes an illegal possessor of firearms. Yes, they've agreed,

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Speaker 4: they've allowed they are going to allow him to enter

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Speaker 4: into pre trial diversion, which is which basically says, look,

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Speaker 4: you're going to take some courses, You're going to do

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Speaker 4: some probably some community service or some probation, some other things.

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Speaker 4: And if you successfully complete all of these tax tasks

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Speaker 4: for you, you stay sober. You you know, sometimes you

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Speaker 4: have to go to AA or ANA as a result

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Speaker 4: of is then the charges might not ever actually be filed.

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Speaker 4: Then there's the two tax charges, which are misdemeanors, which

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Speaker 4: are willful failure to pay taxes, which suggests that it's

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Speaker 4: not just as a result of his vendor that he

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Speaker 4: had somebody.

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Speaker 2: This tax investigation is one of the most insane things

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Speaker 2: that I've ever read, because I remember covering this. At

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Speaker 2: the time, Hunter had two million dollars. Do you know

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Speaker 2: how much money you have to make to pay two

1345
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Speaker 2: million in income tax? That's thirty percent of your income.

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Speaker 2: So you guys do the math here, and that was

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Speaker 2: just over two years. That's a hell of a lot

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Speaker 2: of money here that Hunter found himself. It's good work

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Speaker 2: if you can get it, isn't it. Ryan, Yeah, just

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Speaker 2: to buy yourself a little Malibu mansion with your latest

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Speaker 2: female love interest.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 2: The craziest part, too, is how shady this all was,

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Speaker 2: because all of the tax was paid was paid back

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Speaker 2: delinquent taxes not by him by a Hollywood lawyer who

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Speaker 2: apparently was just a friend and supporter of President Biden

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Speaker 2: and decided the entertainment attorney his name is Kevin Morris,

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Speaker 2: novelist who earned a fortune representing the creators of South

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Speaker 2: Park and the Book of Mormon, decided to pay the

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Speaker 2: overdue taxes totaling over two million dollars for Hunter Biden

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Speaker 2: the previous The problem for him, though, is it seems

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Speaker 2: that the irs was able to basically prove or at

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Speaker 2: the very least, was able to show you that you

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Speaker 2: that they were able to show Ryan that they had

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Speaker 2: made they that he had willfully not paid that tax.

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Speaker 2: So you knew it wasn't just a matter of I

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Speaker 2: forgot to pay the tax. That he knew he hadn't

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Speaker 2: paid the taxesn't only after that he needed to pay

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Speaker 2: it that he had to come forward and to find

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Speaker 2: this two million, you know, miraculously somewhere, I mean, who,

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Speaker 2: what is this is the sweetest gig on the planet Earth.

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Speaker 2: You get to make millions of dollar, even make so

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Speaker 2: much money, you got to pay two million dollars in

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Speaker 2: federal taxes. And then when you don't pay your tax

1375
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Speaker 2: because you spend all the money, you go to one

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Speaker 2: of your rich friends. He's a supporter of your dad

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Speaker 2: as the president, and he pays your tax bill for you,

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Speaker 2: and presumably you'll eventually pay him back, but you never

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Speaker 2: ever have to. I mean, Kate, what a good fortune

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Speaker 2: that this man is fine.

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Speaker 5: He's doing better than me and Markle.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but what's as important as what's being charged here

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Speaker 4: as what's not being charged. Yeah, And this this is

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Speaker 4: coming after all the heat around the confidential human source.

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Speaker 4: It was relaying to the FBI back in June twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty that a Bearisma executive that's said to be the CEO,

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Speaker 4: was claiming that Hunter Biden was splitting a ten million

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Speaker 4: dollars bribe with his father, Vice President Biden, and Republicans

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Speaker 4: have been asking the question, where is this, And the

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Speaker 4: FBI has been saying, well, this is part of an

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Speaker 4: active ongoing investigation, so therefore we can't comment on it.

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Speaker 4: So clearly they did not charge in connection with this

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Speaker 4: bribery scandal that's been alleged. It also suggests that now

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Speaker 4: they should be able to comment on it, that they

1395
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 4: can no longer say that there's an active ongoing investigation

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Speaker 4: unless there is another one that they're going to say

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Speaker 4: that they have going on, but I doubt it.

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Speaker 2: And here's the other thing, in terms of the plea

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Speaker 2: agreement and all of that. I mean, can you imagine

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Speaker 2: what what did Wesley Snipes do. Let's let's go ahead

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01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 2: and get this up there right, Like Wesley Snipes tech,

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Speaker 2: I believe he actually did serve a sentence here. So

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Speaker 2: they charged at Snipes had spent fictitious bills of exchange

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Speaker 2: for fourteen millions of dollars to the irs. The government

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Speaker 2: charged at Snipes failed to file tax returns for the

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Speaker 2: years nineteen ninety nine through two thousand and four. The

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Speaker 2: government charged him with this crime. He responded to this

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01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 2: indictment in two thousand and six saying that he actually

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Speaker 2: wasn't a citizen, that was all this other stuff. He

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Speaker 2: was sentenced to three years in prison for willful failure

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Speaker 2: to file federal income tax. Now, obviously it does look

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Speaker 2: like he went out of his way to you know,

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01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 2: make sure that he didn't pay his taxes. And it

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Speaker 2: was a little bit of different situation because he didn't

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Speaker 2: actually plead guilty was found guilty as a result of this.

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Speaker 2: But at a very basic level, you and I, you know,

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Speaker 2: I was just a gun show this weekend. You go

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01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 2: into the if I walked into there and I filled

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01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 2: out that form and I lied, and I also didn't

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Speaker 2: pay you know, if I didn't even pay a fraction

1421
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 2: of my income tax, you know whatever, and all of

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Speaker 2: that to the no way, and then I went to

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Speaker 2: some shady character and had them pay the bill for me.

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Speaker 2: You think the Feds aren't going to lock me up?

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01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 2: Of course they are. Any normal person who doesn't have

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01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 2: this level of any normal person who doesn't have this

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Speaker 2: level of connection to the elite that people in power

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Speaker 2: wouldn't be getting.

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Speaker 3: Off scott free. So if he doesn't serve a day

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Speaker 3: in jail, I would say it's a complete injustice.

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Speaker 4: But it also shows how easy it is to get

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Speaker 4: away with a lot of this stuff too, because if

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Speaker 4: it weren't for the attention that was brought.

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Speaker 3: About by every what happened is right.

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01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 4: If his father didn't run for election in twenty twenty eight,

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Speaker 4: and he just continued doing what he was doing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the chance that.

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Speaker 4: They actually, I mean, maybe the algorithm catches that he

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01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 4: didn't pay his taxes, but because he's got so many

1440
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Speaker 4: different bank accounts and income from so many different countries

1441
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 4: that probably the IRS is not catching.

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Speaker 3: Oh I bet you're exactly right.

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Speaker 2: Which is the more complicated your taxes are, the less

1444
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Speaker 2: likely you are to get audited because the IRS they

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01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 2: instead they audit poor people who make less than twenty

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01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 2: five thousand.

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Speaker 3: Dollars a year. It's five times the rate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, cashing in on They're like, oh, you're falsely

1449
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 2: cash in on the EITC. This guy can't pay two

1450
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 2: million dollars and he doesn't even get caught until years later.

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01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 2: So look, I mean, we'll stop talking. We'll just let

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Speaker 2: you digest the news. I guess for yourself, but it

1453
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 2: certainly look we'll find out whether he actually serves any

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Speaker 2: time in jail or no.

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Speaker 3: That's what we know so far. We'll see you guys later.

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Speaker 2: The Internet is a flame right now in debate discourse

1457
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 2: after OURFK Junior's recent appearance on the Joe Rogan podcast.

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Speaker 2: Not from the podcast itself, but from the fallout of

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Speaker 2: a previous JI guest their criticism of the RFK interview.

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Speaker 2: The previous guests, as you've probably heard by now, doctor

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Speaker 2: Peter Hotez at one point appeared on the JRE to

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Speaker 2: publicize his book refuting claims that vaccines cause autism. Since

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Speaker 2: though it has morphed into a full fledged warrior for

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Speaker 2: the establishment view on COVID. Now, Hotz, despite his previous

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01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 2: appearance on the JRE, has criticized Rogan vociferously for airing

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Speaker 2: a different view on COVID and now platforming RFK Junior himself.

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Speaker 2: Hot has reacted to the interview by advocating for censorship

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01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 2: by quoting a Vice article saying, quote Spotify has stopped

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Speaker 2: even sort of trying to stem Joe Rogan's vaccine misinformation,

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Speaker 2: to which Rogan lit the flame with the response I've

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Speaker 2: rarely seen him engage with someone else on Twitter. He responded, quote, Peter,

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Speaker 2: if you claim what RFK Junior is saying is misinformation,

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01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 2: I'm offering you one hundred thousand dollars to the charity

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01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 2: of your choice if you're willing to debate him on

1475
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 2: my show with no time limit. The offer was then

1476
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 2: increased by subsequent offers from billionaire hedgehunder, Bill Ackman, venture

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Speaker 2: capitalists and others, nearing some six hundred thousand dollars to charity.

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Speaker 3: So the question is will hots do it? Should he

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01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:48,679
Speaker 3: do it? Two questions?

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Speaker 2: Those are what everyone's talking about right now, and it

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01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 2: raises a lot of interesting questions. First and foremost, will

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Speaker 2: he do it? The answer appears to be no. Hotess

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01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 2: has offered himself up on Rogan's show, but it only

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01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 2: seems as a singular guest. He doesn't want to do

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Speaker 2: a debate. He explained himself on MSNBC to Meddie Hassen

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Speaker 2: on Sunday Night. Let's take a listen to what he said.

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Speaker 11: That's why we have to have that discussion. And I

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01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 11: offered to come and talk to Go Gone Joe Rogan again.

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Speaker 11: I've been on a couple of times and have that

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01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 11: discussion with it, but not to turn it into the

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Speaker 11: Jerry Springer Show with having RFK Junior on.

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Speaker 2: So Hotest says going on with Rogan's podcast with rf

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Speaker 2: K Junior would be like Jerry Springer. I'm assuming because

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01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 2: he thinks that the format wouldn't be right now as

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01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 2: a debate.

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Speaker 3: The issues are a few.

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Speaker 2: Number one, Rogan has already hosted multiple debates that were fair.

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Speaker 2: They have borne fruit and actually show him offering grace

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Speaker 2: to those that he disagrees with. The one that really

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Speaker 2: comes to mind is the twenty nineteen debate on marijuana

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01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 2: and whether it is dangerous or not That included Alex

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01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 2: Berenson and a doctor who advocates for cannabis use. Joe

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01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 2: obviously an avid cannabis user, but he gave Berenson the

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01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 2: time to talk to air his views. In some cases

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01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 2: he even agreed with him. Not that narrative that most

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Speaker 2: people would think going into that. Now, Joe is all

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01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 2: ready offered to go as long as he needs for

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Speaker 2: the debate, so there's no problem in terms of timing.

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Speaker 2: As an RFK appeared on our show, for example, he

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Speaker 2: had a set time that he had to go. That's

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Speaker 2: a mechanical objection. But now what about the moral one.

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Speaker 2: This is where things get interesting and actually very very revealing.

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Speaker 2: The elites who back ho tests are united in their

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Speaker 2: view that he should not deign to debate RFK Junior,

1515
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 2: the so called experts should not do so. This view

1516
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 2: was now best shown by Tom Nichols of Resistance fame.

1517
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 2: He says, quote, no medical professional should ever agree to

1518
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 2: do this, never it elevates the conspiracy guy. It demeans

1519
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 2: the medical professional will only convince the kooks out there.

1520
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 2: RFK Junior is right because a real doctor took the

1521
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:45,599
Speaker 2: time to debate him. Interesting, no medical professor professional should

1522
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 2: ever agree to do this because it elevates RFK Junior.

1523
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 2: First of all, RFK is pulling at some twenty percent

1524
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 2: in the Democratic primary. He's got one of the most

1525
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 2: famous last names in American history. He is a bona

1526
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 2: fide political candidate no matter what they do. He doesn't

1527
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 2: need HOTS to elevate him or anyone else. But more so,

1528
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 2: it gets to the fundamental hypocrisy of Hotez and the

1529
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 2: other vaccine scientists who are refusing to debate RFK Junior.

1530
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 2: In one breath, they say that the science does not

1531
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:17,799
Speaker 2: happen by debates. It happens by peer review and by journals,

1532
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 2: and thus debating that person would be inappropriate. It's not

1533
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 2: the way that science is done. But then in the

1534
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 2: same breath, these people are appearing on public shows like

1535
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 2: Mehdi Hassen on MSNBC or Hots in the past on

1536
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 2: rogan to push a specific line of argumentation and.

1537
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 3: Talk to the public in public policy debate.

1538
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 2: Hotez not only has been a vocal opponent of claims

1539
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 2: of vaccines cause autism, but he has literally been going

1540
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 2: on TV now for three years constantly advocating for the

1541
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:47,919
Speaker 2: establishment of view of COVID. He defended lockdowns, he defended

1542
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 2: masters for children. He pushed booster shots on kids and

1543
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 2: COVID vaccines with underlying claims that have turned out to

1544
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 2: be flat out false. Whenever it comes to efficacy, he

1545
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:00,879
Speaker 2: cannot use his so called secret none knowledge of science

1546
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:05,799
Speaker 2: to advocate for public policy and effectively enter the public square,

1547
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 2: then take his toys and go home when he's challenged

1548
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 2: by someone else who wants to talk in that square.

1549
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 2: It is that view of the scientific establishment right now

1550
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:18,560
Speaker 2: that when it's time to debate, oh then they're scientists.

1551
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 2: But when they're just scientists, they're doing review. But when

1552
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 2: it comes to advocacy for something that they agree with,

1553
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 2: oh forget.

1554
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 3: The scientific method.

1555
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 2: I'll end with this. Vene Persod observed this nearly two

1556
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 2: years ago. The scientific establishment has nobody but themselves to

1557
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 2: blame for vaccine skepticism. Today, people like cot Has use

1558
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 2: their credentials to push childhood masking and lied about efficacy,

1559
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 2: and they justify their lockdowns, all of which were anti

1560
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 2: science policies.

1561
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 3: Though don't be surprised.

1562
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 2: A few years later there's a huge proliferation of questions

1563
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 2: around vaccines and about the approval process for drugs. Generally,

1564
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:55,759
Speaker 2: if someone has told you a lie once, the odds

1565
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 2: are they've probably lied to you before. That's a natural

1566
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 2: human judgment, and if they want to see their trust

1567
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 2: restored in their authority, they owe it to the public

1568
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 2: make their case with one of their opponents. If you can't, well,

1569
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 2: it tells a hell of a lot about them. And Ryan, Ryan,

1570
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 2: what are you taking a look at?

1571
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 4: So when Daniel Ellsberg made the decision to leak the

1572
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 4: Pentagon papers, he did so believing that he would spend decades,

1573
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 4: if not the rest of his life in prison, and

1574
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 4: one man did everything he could to make sure that happened,

1575
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 4: and ironically, in the process accidentally assured that he remained free.

1576
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:35,839
Speaker 3: That man, of course, was Richard Nixon.

1577
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 4: And because he recorded everything he did in the Oval Office,

1578
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 4: we actually have tape of him first learning of the

1579
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 4: leak in nineteen seventy one. Here's Richard Nixon being briefed

1580
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 4: by General Alexander Haig.

1581
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 9: Nothing else of that in the world, and they are

1582
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 9: very significant. This goddamn New York Times expose of the

1583
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 9: most highly classified documents of the war.

1584
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 7: All that I see that, I didn't read the story.

1585
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:04,680
Speaker 7: But do you mean that that was leaked out of

1586
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 7: the Pentagon, Sarah.

1587
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 9: The whole study that was done for McNamara and then

1588
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 9: carried on after McNamara left by Clifford and the peace

1589
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:20,600
Speaker 9: nakes over there. This is a devastating security breach of

1590
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 9: the greatest magnitude of anything.

1591
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 7: Ill, Well, what what's being done about it? Then? I mean,

1592
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 7: I didn't Did we know this was coming out?

1593
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 9: No, we did not. Sure there are just a few

1594
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 9: copies of this.

1595
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 7: So what about the volume report? But what about the

1596
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 7: Let me ask you this though, what about the What

1597
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 7: about Lard? What's he going to do about it?

1598
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 5: Is?

1599
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 6: Well, I did not.

1600
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 7: I just start right at the top and fire some people.

1601
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 7: I mean, whoever whatever department came out about fire the

1602
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 7: top guy?

1603
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 9: He said, well, I'm sure it came from Defense, and

1604
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 9: I'm sure it was stolen. It at the time of

1605
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:57,599
Speaker 9: the turnover of the administration. It's two years old, I'm

1606
01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 9: sure it is, and they've been holding it for a

1607
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 9: juicy time, and I think they've thrown it out to

1608
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:05,759
Speaker 9: effect hatfield of government. That's my own astimate, but it's

1609
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 9: it's something that it's a mixed bag. It's a tough

1610
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 9: attack on Kennedy. It shows that the genesis of the

1611
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 9: war really occurred during how sixty one.

1612
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's Clifford, I see.

1613
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 9: And it's brutal on President Johnson. They're going to end

1614
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,599
Speaker 9: up in a massive gut fight in the Democratic Party

1615
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 9: on this thing, are they. There's some very but also

1616
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 9: massive against the war, against the war.

1617
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 7: It's a Pentagon study, huh.

1618
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 4: So, after The New York Times was briefly blocked from

1619
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 4: publishing the Pentagon papers, Elsburg managed to get them to

1620
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,680
Speaker 4: the Washington Post, which pushed ahead in the face of

1621
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 4: the White House demand that newspapers ceased publication. From there,

1622
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 4: Ellsburg went to the Saint Louis Post, Dispatch and elsewhere,

1623
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 4: making sure that no matter how successful the administration could

1624
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 4: be against an individual paper, that somebody could keep pumping

1625
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 4: them out.

1626
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 5: Eventually, he turned himself in.

1627
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 6: In the fall in nineteen sixty nine, I took the

1628
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:07,839
Speaker 6: responsibility on my own initiatives, of delivering to the Chairman

1629
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 6: the Foreign Relations Committee of the US Senate O R.

1630
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 6: The information contained in the so called Pentagon papers, including

1631
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 6: the several studies on negotiations, which.

1632
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 10: Have not been given to any newspapers.

1633
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 12: I could only wrote that that I had not at

1634
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 12: that same time release that information to the American public

1635
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 12: through the newspapers.

1636
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 6: I have now done, so I can no longer cooperate

1637
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 6: in concealing this information from the American public.

1638
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 4: I could no longer participate in concealing this information from

1639
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 4: the American public. I want to pause on that last point,

1640
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 4: because it often said of whistleblowers that they deserve prosecution

1641
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 4: because they didn't take legal avenues available to them to

1642
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:59,480
Speaker 4: disclose the information. If you remember that was said repeatedly

1643
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 4: about Snowden, that he should have gone to Congress or

1644
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,919
Speaker 4: to the inspector General or some such But Ellsberg tried everything,

1645
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 4: and all those institutions did is sit on what he

1646
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:11,879
Speaker 4: gave them. That's worth remembering the next time a senator

1647
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 4: asks why somebody didn't come to them first.

1648
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 5: Now, when asked why he finally.

1649
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 4: Decided to go to the press, Elsberg pointed to a

1650
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 4: factor not many people may remember. While his ultimate goal

1651
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 4: was indeed to end the war, his real fear was

1652
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 4: the cycle of escalation Nixon had ratcheted up.

1653
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 12: Why did I put it out at all, because by

1654
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 12: the spring of nineteen seventy one, I was feeling that

1655
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 12: with the attack, actually from the fall of nineteen seventy

1656
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:52,679
Speaker 12: with the Sante raid, I saw the escalation which had

1657
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 12: been foreshadowed in Cambodia as speeding up and moving toward

1658
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 12: probably an all out escalation, which I wanted to avoid

1659
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 12: at all costs.

1660
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 4: Ask if he regretted his decision, Ellsberg offered what has

1661
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 4: become the model answer for whistleblowers.

1662
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, having any second thoughts about your action there, Sara, Oh,

1663
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 2: certainly not.

1664
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 13: I'vesberg at a recent press conference, you said you were

1665
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 13: willing to accept any responsibility or anything that came to

1666
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 13: your part of the Pentagon papers. The latest indictment says

1667
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 13: one hundred and fifteen year of prison term and one

1668
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:27,680
Speaker 13: hundred and twenty thousand dollars fine for maximum Are your

1669
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:30,600
Speaker 13: thoughts still the same that you're willing to accept any consequences.

1670
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 10: I have two thoughts about that. I go back to

1671
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 10: my earlier answer, how can you measure the jeopardy that

1672
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 10: I'm in, whether it's ten years, twenty years, one hundred

1673
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 10: and fifteen years, or other ludicrous months like that, to

1674
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:47,759
Speaker 10: the penalty that has been paid already by fifty thousand

1675
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 10: American families here and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese families.

1676
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:55,480
Speaker 10: It would be absolutely presumptuous of me to pity myself

1677
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 10: in that context. Then I certainly don't, and I'd be

1678
01:18:58,280 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 10: ashamed of myself.

1679
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 4: And meanwhile, he never forgot two things, First, the extreme

1680
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 4: nature of the threat that he faced from the Nixon

1681
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 4: White House, which broke the laws so severely in its

1682
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 4: pursuit of him that the federal courts threw out his charges.

1683
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:16,600
Speaker 4: And also that systematically things have gotten much worse for

1684
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 4: whistleblowers since then.

1685
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 12: Caught there, But I'm saying I was the subject of

1686
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 12: a White House hit squad and effect. And when I

1687
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 12: asked their prosecutor later, what do those words mean to

1688
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 12: kill me? And he said, well, the words were to

1689
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 12: incapacitate you totally. But he said, these guys never used

1690
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 12: the word kill. They all worked for the CIA. They

1691
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 12: used euphemisms neutralize, incapacitate, terminate, with extreme prejudice. That was

1692
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:47,679
Speaker 12: one term. They don't like the word kill. He thought

1693
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 12: that the intent was to kill me. So my judgment

1694
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 12: in short, that Snowden or Manning, had she been not

1695
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 12: arrested right away, She's probably safer being arrested than simp

1696
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 12: being eliminated. I think if Snowden went back to the

1697
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 12: United States, the idea that he'd be free to speak

1698
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 12: to the public. As I was out on bond for

1699
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 12: almost two years before my trial, my charges were dismissed.

1700
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:15,679
Speaker 12: I was able to speak freely at rallies everywhere else.

1701
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 12: Manning was held in isolation for ten and a half

1702
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 12: months until a public protest got her into a general

1703
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 12: prison population. I think Snowden would be in isolation for

1704
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 12: the rest of his life.

1705
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 3: Very interesting stuff. Thank you, Ryan, appreciate it, and thanks

1706
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 3: for sitting in today. We had a lot of fun.

1707
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 2: We had the Hunter Biden news break during the show.

1708
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,559
Speaker 2: It's always fun to do breaking news together. We will

1709
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:40,879
Speaker 2: have counterpoints. You guys will be in the desk tomorrow

1710
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 2: and then Crystal and I will be back on Thursday.

1711
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 3: We'll see you then