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Speaker 1: Welcome to stot to Blow your Mind production of My

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Speaker 1: Heart radiobum. Hey, welcome is stuck to Blow your Mind.

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Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, and

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Speaker 1: today we're bringing you some listener mail. Now, our trusty

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Speaker 1: mail bot Carney has gone through a brilliant transformation where

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Speaker 1: he has become a naggle bot, a nail faring bot,

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Speaker 1: or wait no, not nail faring a a office floor

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Speaker 1: faring bot made of the nails of the dead. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: at least the exo skeleton anyway, I think everything underneath

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Speaker 1: is you know, it still has to be made of

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Speaker 1: the same material. But on the outside he is now

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Speaker 1: a finger and toe nail based uh automaton and he

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Speaker 1: belongs to mu spell. Uh should we jump right in

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Speaker 1: with emails about our episodes on the Tomato? Yeah? Why not? Uh,

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Speaker 1: let's go right from from nails to tomatoes here. Um,

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Speaker 1: as always, Carney is delivering the listener mail that you,

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Speaker 1: the listener, have lovingly um sent in to us. Do

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Speaker 1: you want to start with this one? From Ian? Here?

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Speaker 1: Are you okay? If I read this one? Go for it? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Ian says hi, Robert and Joe, still in partial lockdown

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Speaker 1: here in the UK and eternally grateful for your rich

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Speaker 1: back catalog of rabbit holes to keep me occupied. I

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Speaker 1: think I can offer some insight into the tomacco plant.

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Speaker 1: Grafting tomatoes isn't that uncommon and used to be more popular.

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Speaker 1: The usual reason to do it is improved hardiness and

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Speaker 1: soil type tolerance. The one I've read most about is

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Speaker 1: make the tomato much more cold resistant and tolerant of

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Speaker 1: alkaline soil, but has been known to lead to toxic tomatoes.

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Speaker 1: I read some speculation that it depends on exactly how

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Speaker 1: much of the datura above of ground parts remain, and

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Speaker 1: it's probably better to just not go there. And in fact,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have another email about this in just a moment,

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Speaker 1: but Ian continues. One I've tried to do myself and failed,

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Speaker 1: but is available as a novelty plant in the UK

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Speaker 1: is the tomtato with potato roots on the bottom. I

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Speaker 1: know a horticulturist who's played around with this. You don't

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Speaker 1: get a great yield of either crop, but if you

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Speaker 1: way around, which led to potato stems growing small green

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Speaker 1: tubers at the bottom leaf nodes. Interesting but pointless. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And then Ian shares a link. I've tried wild tomatoes.

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Speaker 1: I got seeds from a botanist colleague. The plants were leggy,

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Speaker 1: sprawling vines that made small, orange ish berries. The flesh

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Speaker 1: was meally vaguely sweet and sharp. Not great, but if

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Speaker 1: you were foraging, I could see them being an important

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Speaker 1: food source. They for the amazing content. Ian. Wow, I

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Speaker 1: am jealous Ian that you've gotten to try like a

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Speaker 1: traditional ancestral wild tomato plant. I have no idea what

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Speaker 1: that would be like. Uh, it's it's crazy. He reminds

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Speaker 1: me of something that I should have thought of in

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Speaker 1: the episode as we were recording it. But if you play,

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Speaker 1: if you've played any of the Fallout games, I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure at what point this first shows up, but certainly

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Speaker 1: in Fallout four, and definitely in Fallout seventy six, which

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Speaker 1: I I played from time to time still to this day. Um,

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Speaker 1: it looks like a like a tomato on a vine,

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Speaker 1: to my camp and fall Out seventy six, Joe, and

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Speaker 1: you will find several of them growing. Okay, you're doing

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Speaker 1: a lot of agriculture there, well, you know, just enough

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Speaker 1: just by just by growing watermelons exclusively. So you know, well,

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Speaker 1: I guess. So. Our next message comes from long time

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Speaker 1: correspondent Jim in New Jersey, who has something to add

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Speaker 1: Your tomato podcast reminded me of something a little unusual

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Speaker 1: from The Medical Detectives, which is an anthology of true

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Speaker 1: medical mystery articles originally published in The New Yorker. Spoiler alert,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to reveal the main details of the story,

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Speaker 1: but since the article was published fifty five years ago,

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Speaker 1: with more jimson weed produced more toxins that found their

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Speaker 1: with their more elegant name, all burmatoes either want to work. Yeah, alright,

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Speaker 1: message from June. June says, Hi, Robert and Joe, just

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Speaker 1: listen to your Tomato part one episode. I love your

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Speaker 1: write in in defense of the tomato horn worm. I

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Speaker 1: know it's a crop pest, but it's also just a cute,

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Speaker 1: seeing a caterpillar that big. Maybe this is my biologist

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Speaker 1: Looking forward to part two, best June, Well, June, I

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Speaker 1: hope you liked part two. I don't recall us really

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Speaker 1: one's stomach. I don't know, all right. Here's another bit

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Speaker 1: from Kegan, Hi, Robert and Joe. It's been a bit

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Speaker 1: since I've sent in some fan mail, but after hearing

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Speaker 1: you two talk about how most kitchen knowledge is strange, hearsay,

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Speaker 1: me recently. They may provide some illumination on the myths

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Speaker 1: and misinformation that pervade typical kitchen knowledge. You actually mentioned

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Speaker 1: the author In part two of the Tomato Tomato Episodes two,

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Speaker 1: The Food Lab by j kim Ji Lopez alt Uh.

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Speaker 1: He goes into full detail of how to prepare a

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Speaker 1: so I could apply it to more than recipe. It's

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Speaker 1: a lovely cookbook. Hope y'all are doing well, and I'm

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Speaker 1: D train recently. Sincerely, Kegan, Well, Keegan, I've got some

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Speaker 1: it does make me wonder, Okay, if we're talking about

427
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Speaker 1: this sort of composite material, then you know where do

428
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Speaker 1: we rank various paper innovations. Uh, not not nearly paper itself,

429
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Speaker 1: but take for instance, paper mache, which is, you know,

430
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Speaker 1: a composite material that has paper pieces or pulp sometimes

431
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: textiles bound up with an adhesive. And and this of

432
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: course has been around for quite some time. I believe that,

433
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Speaker 1: you know, we've discussed some very old versions of this

434
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Speaker 1: um in UM what uh mezzo and uh South America.

435
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Speaker 1: I think it dates back to you to use in

436
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 1: ancient Egypt and in China as well. UM So I

437
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Speaker 1: would I guess I would be hesitant to give Pipe

438
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: too much credit in terms of just overall composite material engineering.

439
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 1: But you absolutely got to give him outside the box thinker.

440
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, still a fascinating individual who came up

441
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Speaker 1: with some pretty interesting ideas. All right. We got some

442
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Speaker 1: messages in response to a Vault episode that aired recently,

443
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Speaker 1: the one about school dreams, you know, the recurring dream

444
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: where you have to go back and take the Russian

445
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: calculus test. Some of the messages were in response to

446
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: a question we asked at the end of the episode

447
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Speaker 1: about um whether people still have school dreams if they

448
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Speaker 1: had experiences other than just going up graduating from high

449
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Speaker 1: school and then maybe going on to college. If people

450
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Speaker 1: had dropped out of school at an earlier age, or

451
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Speaker 1: had something else going on in their lives at that time,

452
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Speaker 1: if they were home schooled. How did that affect their

453
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Speaker 1: propensity for school dreams? And so k log gets in

454
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Speaker 1: touch with us to say Hi, Joe and Robert. I

455
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: missed the school dreams episode the first time around and

456
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: was really intrigued to see it pop up. I knew

457
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Speaker 1: that many people experienced school dreams, but I assumed mine

458
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Speaker 1: were unusual because of my background. Due to homelessness and

459
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: a number of family issues, I dropped out of high

460
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Speaker 1: school during my freshman year and got my g E D.

461
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 1: I only ever went to high school classes sporadically over

462
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Speaker 1: a period of a few months. I had the added

463
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Speaker 1: misfortune of having to change schools three times in this

464
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Speaker 1: short period. I'm thirty now, putting my high school experience

465
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Speaker 1: fifteen years ago. I didn't start having school dreams until

466
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Speaker 1: my mid twenties, when I started having them all the time.

467
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: I was surprised to find that the basic premise of

468
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 1: my dreams was so common. I find myself at my

469
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: first high school on the last day of the school year.

470
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: I panic, realizing there's a class I haven't attended all year.

471
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Speaker 1: I remember that I couldn't find the classroom on my

472
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: first day and was too afraid to ask anyone. I

473
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 1: wander through a maze of high school frantically searching for

474
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Speaker 1: this class. It occurs to me that the teacher had

475
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Speaker 1: gone out of their way to give a second chance

476
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: to finish school, making me feel extremely guilty for letting

477
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,479
Speaker 1: them down. These dreams almost always end with me finding

478
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Speaker 1: a huge glass door and leaving the building, trying to

479
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Speaker 1: get away without being noticed. I'm on the fence about

480
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: dream interpretation, but it's so interesting how these things can

481
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: tie folks of all different backgrounds together. I associate these

482
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: dreams most closely with my general feelings of anxiety and

483
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: how it affected my life at different times. It's worth

484
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: mentioning that I generally don't regret or feel bad about

485
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: having dropped out. I went down a different path, but

486
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: it worked for me and I have a great life

487
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: now with a family and career. I just wanted to

488
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: share to hopefully answer some of those questions. Love the podcast,

489
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: Please keep quality dream related content coming, Kayla, Oh, that's interesting.

490
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Speaker 1: As a side note, I recently had a school dream again,

491
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Speaker 1: and one of the amusing things about it is that

492
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: in the school dream, it had been updated for the

493
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: COVID era because I was I was it had to

494
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Speaker 1: do with stress over um dialing into my classes, into

495
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: my college classes and attending them virtually, and I forget

496
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: I've already forgotten the details of it, if I was

497
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Speaker 1: having trouble connecting or or if I had forgotten the class,

498
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: you know, that old trope. But but still it was

499
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: it was amusing that that had been updated for like

500
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Speaker 1: COVID error class anxiety, despite that having obviously never been

501
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: my experience going to school in the past. I don't

502
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Speaker 1: know if it was like a combination of like my

503
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: son's experiences right now zooming into classes combined with my own,

504
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: uh you know, college error anxiety about missing the classes.

505
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it was. It was. It was amusing,

506
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: but also yeah, also I guess kind of frustrating to

507
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: where you're like, come on, dream world, is is there

508
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: nothing better we can have than just a timely updated

509
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: version of the tired old school dream. Uh? Yeah, that

510
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: that seems like a kind of thing that normally happens,

511
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: where a lot of times people bring current relationships and

512
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: drama to their school dreams. So it's like I was

513
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: at school, I was missing a you know, I hadn't

514
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: prepared for a test, but also my current co workers

515
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: were there with me, and whatever kind of drama you've

516
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: got going on with them was the background of it.

517
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Speaker 1: But life, life changes, but the school dreams there there forever.

518
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: But this next message has a very interesting variation, Robert,

519
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: you want to read this one from James. Yeah, James writes,

520
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: I think I have an interesting perspective on the idea

521
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: of dreams, not from any research perspective. I'm a high

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00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 1: school and college graduate and my main job is a

523
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: fireman and a paramedic. I did start this job in

524
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: my early twenties, so I can't speak to dreams coming

525
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: from your twenties memory bias. That being said, I never

526
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: have school dreams, at least none that I can remember.

527
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: I do have work dreams relatively often. All of these

528
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: are ridiculous, as ridiculous as Russian calculus, but they're all that.

529
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: They are related to just how often things can go

530
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: wrong on the job. For example, just last night, I,

531
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: by serendipity remember a dream about VTAC. I'm not going

532
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: to get into the totality of the dream. However, the

533
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: biggest point that stuck with me was that I occluded

534
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Speaker 1: an I v this if you're unfamiliar is a process

535
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: of stopping blood from flowing out of an ivy prior

536
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: to the tubing uh being attached to the hub Um.

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00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about, but I'll let

538
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: you care you h. It is also something I was

539
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: initially bad at during my training. Anecdotally, I would argue,

540
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: because my job is high stress and intensely chaotic, this

541
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: outweighs the stress I would have felt in college or

542
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: high school, neither of which I remember as particularly stressful.

543
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: So I dream of fire and emergency medical calls gone wrong,

544
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: or just being off kilter, rather than giving speeches in

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00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: my underwear. Sincerely, James, Yeah, that's interesting. I mean it

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00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: does sound very much like the school dream dynamic, except

547
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: it's not about school. It's about this other kind of

548
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: institutional challenge that you're repeatedly facing day after day in

549
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: your early adulthood. But that's not all. James also had

550
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Speaker 1: something to contribute to our discussion of snakes. Would you

551
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: like to take this next part? Joe? Sure. James adds

552
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: thoughts about the snake Pit episodes and a separate email,

553
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: and this was regarding the liver fascination. Remember in the

554
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: episode we talked about all the different myths where the

555
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: people would be attacked by snakes, and then it would say,

556
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: and the snake was eating his liver, or the snake

557
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: was biting him right on the liver. And then we

558
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: related this to other strange stories of monsters attacking people

559
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: in the liver, the eagle attacking Prometheus's liver, the Kappa

560
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: trying to pull out your liver through your anus. What's

561
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: going on here? James has a thought. James says, if

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00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: you look at most predators eating, their initial attack is

563
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: normally towards the stomach or abdomen. I'm now, I'm not

564
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: saying these animals are first going after the liver, if

565
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: I remember correctly, thereafter the guts to obtain plant nutrients

566
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: while it's still freshen the gut. However, from an observation

567
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: deduction mindset, I would feel it's easy for an ancient

568
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: observer to think that the animal is after the liver,

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Speaker 1: being the liver is the largest and most prominent abdominal

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00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: organ as. Always keep up the good work, sincerely, James.

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00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd ever heard that rationale for

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00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: why predators very often attack the abdomen first. I think

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00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: that is true that after a predator is made to kill,

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00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: they start eating at the abdomen. But but I've never

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00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: heard that it was to obtain plant nutrients from the

576
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: prey animals digestive system. I'll have to look into that,

577
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: but that does sound plausible at least. All right, well,

578
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: we're we're we're wading into the snakes now. We're about

579
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: an ankle deep at least, so we're going to continue.

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00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: Here is another bit of listener mail. This came to

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Speaker 1: us from Matt. Hey, guys, a longtime listener, first time writer.

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00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: Just finished the Snake pin I mean Din episode, and

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Speaker 1: I loved hearing you talk about narciss I live in Manitoba,

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00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: just north of Winnipeg and east of narciss but I

585
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: took a road trip there a few years ago. It

586
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: was early in the season, so the snakes weren't super crazy,

587
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: but what a cool experience kids running around catching snakes,

588
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: writhing balls of snakes in the dens. Uh. Their their

589
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: color is such that at first glance you don't think

590
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: there's that many in the pit, but then your eyes

591
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: start picking out more and more areas of movement. The

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00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: sound description is accurate at Persistent Wrestling. My photos suck,

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00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: as everything is just all earth colors. But here's a

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00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: photo of a statue in Narciss. Uh right, you're right

595
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: that the town is really just a few houses, and

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00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: he includes this image of this um this really fabulous

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00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: fulsa doom esque sculpture that they have there of these

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00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: uh kind of writhing arching like what gold and green

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00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: snakes on top of a rock pile. I guess they're

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00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: supposed to be the garter snakes that that gather there

601
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: at the dens, but you know, obviously they're a little

602
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: bit bigger. And what I think is funny is that

603
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: this statue has inverted the dynamic the snakes come to

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00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: the Narciss area because there are sinkholes and pits and

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00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: and you know, holes in the limestone that are good

606
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: for them to to broomate in. But this puts them

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00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: atop a mountain of stone. It's a total of vertical

608
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: inversion of the snake dynamic. Yeah, absolutely, but and I

609
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: do say it does sort of demand worship as well.

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00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 1: What is the answer to the riddle of snakes? Also,

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00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: Matt was not the only Manitoba listener we heard from.

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00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: Becca got In touch, and I just want to read

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Speaker 1: an excerpt from her email. Here, she says that she

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00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: loved that we mentioned that Manitoba snake pits are the

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00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: largest in the world, and she goes on, I don't

616
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: know how that's possible, but how excited I was to

617
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: hear that you have no idea. Finally I have something

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00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: I can contribute to. It really is a nice Mother's

619
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: day activity. It's a really small circular hike, approximately the

620
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: size of a football field. I guess the pits are

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00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: guarded by a fence, but the snakes often slither across

622
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: the track, so you have to walk slow. They are

623
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: very docile and in my experiences, don't seem to mind

624
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: being picked up. It really is like a huge writhing swarm.

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00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever are picked up on

626
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: the noise, but there is usually a lot of background

627
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: noise going around. When I saw the movie Annihilation and

628
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: saw the intestine scene, my first thought was, that's like

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00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: the snake pits. Um and Becca attaches some photos for

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Speaker 1: us to look at, So yeah, thanks for getting in touch, Becca.

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Speaker 1: All right, on that note, we're going to take one

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00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: more break, but when we come back more Listener mail,

633
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: thank thank you, thank you. All right, we're back now.

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00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: A number of listeners wrote in on our episode on

635
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Speaker 1: the spotlight effect. Remember the effect that essentially finds that

636
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: people think other people are paying more attention to them

637
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: and noticing more about them than they actually are. So

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00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: it's quite ironic that the next bit of listener mail

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00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: is another one from Jim in New Jersey. So, so, Jim,

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Speaker 1: please don't make we hope we're not encouraging spotlight effect

641
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: by reading a nun another one of your emails, or

642
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: that we're not getting into it by thinking that Jim

643
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: only thinks about our show and right there all the time.

644
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: I mean, Jim is prolific. What can you do? So,

645
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: Jim says Robert and Joe, I think the spotlight effect

646
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: can be summed up in this quote for which I

647
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: can't find the source. Everyone is the star of their

648
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: own movie. Yeah. I think that's about right, Jim. Uh So,

649
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: he says, I don't think it's unreasonable for children and

650
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: young adults to be subjected to the spotlight effect through

651
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: the first twenty or so years of their lives. There's

652
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: almost always a set of adults watching much of what

653
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: children do. Whether it's parents, family members, friends, teachers, etcetera.

654
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't they think they're the center of attention? They

655
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: often are. Now, this is very interesting because some of

656
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 1: the psychologists that we were talking about in an episode

657
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: highlighted the fact that the spotlight effect is especially pronounced

658
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: among you know, teenagers, And Yeah, it makes me wonder

659
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: is is that something natural about the brain as it develops.

660
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: Would would it be that way no matter what was

661
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: going on in the culture around them? Or is it

662
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: because you know, by teenage years, you are used to

663
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: actually being the center of attention for so much of

664
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: your life. Yeah, I don't know, you know. It also

665
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: reminds me of something that came up recently about the podcast.

666
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: On the podcast, but I don't know if it was

667
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: in this episode where we we briefly discussed the the

668
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: idea that was certainly written about by iliad A, but

669
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: the the idea that that that, especially older cultures, that

670
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: anything you did was only meaningful insomuch as it um

671
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, went through the paces of some mythic trope. Uh,

672
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: and you could you could sort of explain that as

673
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: well as as being a statement of of the things

674
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: I do are only important if they are doing the

675
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: sort of things that that central characters and other stories

676
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: do you know, Uh so I could see that kind

677
00:37:55,160 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: of um process playing into uh this. Everyone is a

678
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: star in their own moody or in their own narrative thing.

679
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: Jim goes on, I noticed the spotlight effect in US politics,

680
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: but I'm sure it applies to other countries politics as well.

681
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 1: It's very prominent during congressional hearings when members of Congress

682
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: interrogate those who have been called in. From what I've seen,

683
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: they are there to present more than to listen. Yeah,

684
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: I do think that's often the case. You see what

685
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: is ostensibly supposed to be you know, the member of

686
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: Congress is supposed to be acting like a prosecutor, acquiring

687
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: information or listening testimony from the witness. Very often they're

688
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: clearly just performing to to create an impression about themselves.

689
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: As for feeling less self conscious about something, I think

690
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: a new hairstyle is a good example. My wife's stylist

691
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: might cut her hair much shorter than my wife desired.

692
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: She often feels very self conscious about it, but in

693
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: a day or two she doesn't even notice it. I

694
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: don't have bad hair days myself, since I support the

695
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: same head style as Jonathan Strickland. Uh, that's our that's

696
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: our colleague on tech stuff. That means not having hair.

697
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: And then Jim finally finishes with the PostScript, saying, I

698
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: just subscribed to Netflix about two months ago during COVID,

699
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 1: and I'm working my way through Black Mirror. Jim, take

700
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: it slow, don't don't get too down in the dumps.

701
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's a tough time for that kind

702
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 1: of a. Yeah, totally, we're living in a Black Mirror

703
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: episode already. But but Jim says, uh, finally, I saw

704
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: metal Head last week, so I knew the tree climbing

705
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: robot dogs reference. I don't remember when we reference that,

706
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: but but good on you, Jim. Yeah, yeah, that's a that.

707
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: That is a terrifying episode, but probably probably one of

708
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: my favorites. All Right, we have another one here. This

709
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: one comes to us from Matt Hi, Robert and Joe.

710
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 1: Glad you're both able to stay safe and produce amazing

711
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: content from the comfort of your respective bunkers. In your

712
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: recent episode about the spotlight effect, you mentioned playing d

713
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: and d over zoom and it being exhausting. I may

714
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: have a few suggestions to hell. Number one, it's possible

715
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: to hide the self view on Zoom. It's in the

716
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: menu that appears after clicking on the three little dots

717
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: when you hover over your portrait. I find it helps.

718
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: Number two, A D and D campaign seems like a

719
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: perfect opportunity to have the players use their character avatars.

720
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: Under settings, you can select a virtual background to use

721
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: for the call, but if you cover your webcam, you disappear.

722
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: But the background doesn't have each player put a picture

723
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: of their character or reasonable facts. Simile as the vertue

724
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: their virtual background and then close the webcam, then nobody

725
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: has to feel like they are in the spotlight. Maybe

726
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: the d M has an image of a formless evil

727
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 1: presence or something. Now the question becomes, will you still

728
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 1: be tempted to stare at your avatar or will you

729
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: need to hide that as well? Stay safe, Matt, Well,

730
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: I think these are some of these are some great tricks. Uh.

731
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: You know, this email came in I think before my

732
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: most recent session, and I tried to do some of

733
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 1: these things, but then I realized, oh, we don't actually

734
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: use Zoom for this, We use um, Google meat or

735
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: something like that. And I'm even less sure how to

736
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: pull the different various bells and whistles on that one. Um,

737
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: but I I like the idea, yeah, of making myself

738
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: go away and replacing it with my character's image, as

739
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: that would be more immersive because when we're playing, I

740
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: don't know. I I'm at the point with with with

741
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: the doing remote d n D where a lot of

742
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: the things that are difficult about it are really starting

743
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: to to grind me down. I'm really missing the the

744
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: physical hangout aspect of playing. And the part that I

745
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 1: enjoy the most is, you know, getting immersive and being

746
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: a character, um, being my character through the through the

747
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: interface and something like that sounds like it would be

748
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: a good tool to use. I think this is about

749
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: a shattering on TV that pre dates Terminator too. Yeah,

750
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: this is exciting this because this because my part of

751
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: my whole theory was, and I still stand by this,

752
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: that Terminator to gave us a shattering scene that had

753
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: a huge impact on other sci fi movies and TV shows,

754
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: and everybody wanted to do the same gimmick and use

755
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: the same technology. Um. However, they do not seem to

756
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 1: be the first. Carrie writes in and says hi gentlemen,

757
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: love your show. I'm a truck driver and ing a

758
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: lot of podcast and other audio formats. Just wanted to

759
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: throw in a scene from a two part mini series.

760
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: I think V from nineteen eighty three. Now, I don't

761
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: think i've ever seen V. I'm vaguely familiar with it.

762
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: It's like an alien invasion show. Yes, starring Mark Singer

763
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: from Beast Master. Yeah, he was in at least two

764
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: episodes of it. I mean you got you got Andrew

765
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: Prin in there as well. Um uh, it looks like

766
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: an interesting cast. Robert England shows up. I've never seen it,

767
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: but maybe I gotta look it up, all right. Carrie

768
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: Continue is a character in that gets his forearm and

769
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: hand frozen by liquid nitrogen and then breaks it off

770
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: stumbling to safety. It's funny. I remember watching the entire series,

771
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 1: but I only remember that reptile people and a woman

772
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: with long black hair. I had to google it for

773
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: the year. Keep up the good work. Your show is

774
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: one of a few I have no problem real listening

775
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: to Carrie Well, thanks Carry and now now I gotta

776
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: check this out. It does look it looks like some

777
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: early eighties TV production values magic and certainly it does

778
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: push the timeline back further regarding the beginning of our

779
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: liquid nitrogen obsession. So perhaps James Cameron had watched v

780
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 1: and thought, that's pretty good. I could do something with that.

781
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: Go whole body. You just do an arm that's weak.

782
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: But now we've got homework for you. You listening out there,

783
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: find us the earliest shattering of a human body on

784
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: in film or in fiction. Where's where's the earliest one?

785
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: I gotta know, Well, here's the other thing. It needs

786
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 1: to be ice, because you will find precursors that are stone.

787
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: Someone's turned to stone and then they shatter that way.

788
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: But particularly I'm interested in ice, al right. Next you

789
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: get a very brief note from Samantha. It just says,

790
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: I just watched The Tingler. It was awesome. Thank you, Sammy. Yes, yeah,

791
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: p s. I also went an alien slash Predator slash

792
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: predd alien bing. I think she meant binge, but I

793
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: liked being even better. I went on an alien bing

794
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: and she says, y'all are rocking it. Well, thank you, Sammy.

795
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: I'm I'm glad you liked The Tingler. Yeah. Anytime we

796
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: can turn people onto high quality cinema, like this, I

797
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: feel like we're doing our job right. What do we

798
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: know about the Tinglas? Alright, here there's another one. This

799
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: comes to us from August. Hello friends, a quick one.

800
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: Just watch Star Wars episode one and the Clone Wars.

801
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: So I think Robert mentioned doing the same. How about

802
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: an episode about four armed beings? I'm thinking about the

803
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: pod racer Gascano or the infamous General Palm Krell. Just

804
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: a thought. Also love the pi Crete episode. More about materials.

805
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: Please with love and admiration, August. Um, Yes, that's a

806
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: great point about four armed beings. Um Joe, I don't know.

807
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: I know you have. You haven't seen Clone Wars, but

808
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: perhaps if you think back to um the movie Attack

809
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: of the Clones, there's a scene where Obi Wan is

810
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: in a in a diner meeting with the diner operator,

811
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: and he is a four armed alien. He is a

812
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: basal sick. I believe it's the name of the species. Wow. Yeah,

813
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: oh no, I don't want to start a fight. I

814
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: know that you're you're more of a prequel over now

815
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: than I am. But I do recall thinking, mainly that

816
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,919
Speaker 1: that scene had some of the worst c G I

817
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: I had ever seen in a major Motion picture. Uh

818
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: that that creature was was a crime. Well, I think

819
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: you're gonna anger the Scorpion King with words like that. Um. Regardless,

820
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: the same species shows up in Clone Wars. There's this

821
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: there's this awesome character named General Palm Krell and uh

822
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: and he is a fourth sensitive individual of this species.

823
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: He wields um I think dual double sided um lightsabers,

824
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: and he's just an interesting character because um uh he's

825
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: I think he's really the first Jedi that you encounter

826
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: where you you begin to to uh to question his

827
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: motivations and his devotion to the war. He's almost kind

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00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 1: of a um, kind of a Kurts type character where

829
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: you begin to to really um recoil from the way

830
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: that he he treats the Clone troopers and how he's

831
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: using them on the battlefield. It's a really that's a

832
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: really great story arc with that character. I won't spoil

833
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: anything for anybody, but that's that's one of the really

834
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: good story arcs in the show. I looked up images

835
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: and I will say this has the distinction of being

836
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: the only character I've ever seen who looks like a

837
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 1: really tough, bad dude but also has a throat sack

838
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: like a frog, just a jelly inflatable throat sack. Yeah,

839
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: it's I feel like it's probably a really interesting design

840
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: um choice on the makers of the Clone Wars part

841
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: because they took a character that you know that was

842
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: designed as like an alien just an alien diner operator

843
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: and you know, um, and then they made they used

844
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: that species as the template for a totally different style character.

845
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 1: But it's still it works really well. It's like, could

846
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: we make a like a tough, badass Jedi hut. Now

847
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: back to the number of arms that I don't know

848
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: we could put potential. It would be potentially interesting to

849
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: get into the whole four armed multi armed uh uh discussion,

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00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: because of course we could talk about Palm Crew. We

851
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: could also talk about Goro uh we we've touched on before,

852
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: and then you can get into various other multi armed

853
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: entities from various mythologies. Uh uh. There's some really good

854
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: ones out there. There's some some in Greek mythology with

855
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: just way too many arms, as I recall what like

856
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: hundred arms and so forth, Like how do you even

857
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: how do you even use all those arms? I don't know.

858
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: That's one of the things in ancient mythology and religion.

859
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: That often strikes me as the strangest is uh, the

860
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: creatures that are imagined having this great multiplicity of body parts,

861
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 1: say the visions in the Book of Revelation with creatures

862
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: with X many wings and x many heads, where at

863
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: a certain point you just start imagining, I don't know

864
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: how to even picture that or what those things would do.

865
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 1: You know what, why why would you have ten wings?

866
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: Would that be useful? Yeah? It tends to work so

867
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: much better in my opinion anyway, with with with in

868
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: Hindu iconography, because you have, first of all, a visual

869
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: representation of what this multi armed form would look like.

870
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: But then also it's it's obvious that the visual symbology

871
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: is about um portraying aspects of this divine being, Like

872
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 1: what are the things they are holding in their hands?

873
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: And how many hands do they have to hold those things?

874
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: And then what that does that say about the capabilities

875
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: of the divine. It's a lot simpler with Goro. What

876
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: is Goro holding his hands? Next? That's it? Right? Yeah?

877
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: Or maybe like goblets? Right yeah? Goblets? And next that's it.

878
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: Goro only drinks from goblets? Can you invite him over

879
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: to your house. You offer him a mug of coffee.

880
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: He's like, no, put it in a goblet. Okay. A

881
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: couple more messages here, both related to Star Wars. This

882
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: one is from Villain. Villain says, Hi, Robert and Joe.

883
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: I've been listening to stuff to blew your mind for

884
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: about eight years, but I don't think I've ever written.

885
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: I'm normally at least a month behind, and when i

886
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: get the urge to write in, I always think, I'm

887
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,280
Speaker 1: sure someone else has written about that in the meantime.

888
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 1: But once you talk Star Wars, I'm ready to risk

889
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: potentially repeating someone else. Never never be afraid, villain. You know,

890
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: sometimes we get some duplicated sentiments, but that's okay. In

891
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: your discussion of the Mighty Sarlak, I was waiting for

892
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 1: someone to bring up the aspect that interested me the most.

893
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: Quote a new definition of pain and suffering as you

894
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: are slowly digested over a thousand years, or that's what

895
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: C three p O says. That Jama Java is promising

896
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: them as they will be thrown into the sarlac um.

897
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: I always took that to mean that the victim is

898
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: kept alive for a thousand years in order to experience this. However,

899
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: even if you were to take it that the victim

900
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: dies quite quickly but their corps is digested over a

901
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 1: thousand years, then the digestive process takes longer to break

902
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: down the body than it would take if the body

903
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 1: were to decompose naturally. Whether the victim lives a thousand

904
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 1: years or not, being digested by a sarlac is still

905
00:50:55,400 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 1: a kind of horrific preservation. Taking the more interesting reading, though,

906
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: that the victim remains alive throughout the process. My first

907
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: imagining is a monkey's paw scenario. I want to live

908
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: for a thousand years. Sure, meet your new buddy, the sarlac.

909
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: And the second thing that comes to mind while wondering

910
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: how a sarlac might prolonged sapient life is your two parter,

911
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: The devourer of memories about planaria worms and whether they

912
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: can incorporate memories by eating, and whether the extended life

913
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: of a sarlac's victims is a shadowy existence as a

914
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: memory in a worm. Very interesting, but I guess you

915
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: don't have time to cover everything. Thanks for all the

916
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: work that you put into researching and recording the show,

917
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: and thanks also to Seth Nicholas Johnson for their efforts.

918
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: It's a consistently excellent show regards villain always always good

919
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: to get a shout out for Seth. Seth does amazing work. Absolutely.

920
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: Seth is the one that kind of stitches everything together

921
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: with the pieces that we provide. Um, this is some

922
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: wonderful starlac um uh thoughts there. It does bring me

923
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: though back again to that short story I mentioned that

924
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: episode um a bar of like that, the Tale of

925
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: Boba Fette by J. D. Montgomery from Tales from Jaba's Palace,

926
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: which is just a short story from because um, it's

927
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: still been a very long time since I read it,

928
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: but I was refreshing myself a little bit about it

929
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: by reading a summary, and yeah, there's this whole bit

930
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: where while he's in the belly of the Sarlac Uh,

931
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: Boba Fette is put in telepathic contact with one of

932
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: its first victims, um and uh. And they're like flashbacks

933
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: concerning other victims of the Sarlac as well. So there's

934
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: a lot of really um imaginative stuff that's pulled off

935
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: in that story. And I'm kind of I have heard

936
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: I have heard rumors that Boba Fette is coming back

937
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: in the second season of The Mandalorian. Um. I don't

938
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: know if that's a if that if it's real, or

939
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: if it's going to be you know, some other character

940
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: pretending to be Boba Fette, But I'm hoping that if

941
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,280
Speaker 1: they do actually bring him back, uh, they consider getting

942
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: some ideas from this particular short story. Um. Now, obviously

943
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 1: they already filmed it, they're already written, they've already written it,

944
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: so whatever is gonna happen, it is going to happen.

945
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: But I hope that they hope that they looked at

946
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: this story because there's some cool, cool ideas in it.

947
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: All Right, here's another bit of listener mail. This one

948
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: comes to us from Kale. Kale writes and says, Hey,

949
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: Robert and Joe. First off, I want to say that

950
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 1: I absolutely love the show. I really appreciate the work

951
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: you guys put into it. I love the jokes and

952
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,959
Speaker 1: puns and recommendations you all put in as well. During

953
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: the Starlac episode, you guys pondered the reason, uh, the

954
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,439
Speaker 1: reasons why Star Wars fans were so interested in Boba Fett,

955
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: and I think it has to do with the Star

956
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: Wars animated series The Clone Wars. In this show no spoilers.

957
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: They delve into his story through multiple episodes, and it's

958
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: very interesting. Also, I highly recommend watching it if you haven't,

959
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: and especially if Robert has been sharing his love of

960
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: Star Wars with his son. The show is enjoyable and

961
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: very fun for children and adults alike. I wasn't even

962
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: interested in watching the live action movies until my partner

963
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: showed me the animated series. Plus, there are lots of

964
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 1: episodes set on planets with cool creatures and interesting alien races.

965
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: If you have Disney Plus you can stream it on there.

966
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: I hope you all are staying safe and healthy, Sending

967
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: much love and good vibes your way. Uh Kale Now

968
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: this this, of course, I should add that that Starlac

969
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: episode came out before I did, indeed, started watching Clone

970
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 1: Clone Wars with my son. Um. We are currently Um

971
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,240
Speaker 1: let's see what what what season? We're in? Like season six?

972
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: I think? And uh yeah, we we were loving it.

973
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: They did, They've done. They did such a great job

974
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: creating the show. Um and and it's a show that

975
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: again kids and adults can both enjoy. It's just light

976
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 1: years ahead of any of the animated series I had

977
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: access to as a kid. I love the development that

978
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: they give all the main characters as well as all

979
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: these side characters and some of the more obscure guests

980
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: that pop up. Uh. Some great monsters and creatures in

981
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 1: there as well. But indeed, Bobba Fett, like a young

982
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 1: Baba Fet does show up and is an interesting character.

983
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: They have him sort of bouncing around the universe, falling

984
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: in with some some other bounty hunters, and also seeking

985
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: revenge because of course he wants revenge on Mace wind

986
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: Do uh, the the individual who killed his father. Um,

987
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: and of course Mace Window is a very very dangerous

988
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: um object for one's revenge. I keep feeling like at

989
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:26,919
Speaker 1: some point I'm just gonna have to watch this show

990
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: or else I'm never going to be able to relate

991
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: to you again, because it's like half your brain now,

992
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 1: um it is, it's become U. Yeah. My main jam

993
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 1: this COVID season is this also the source of that

994
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: that amazing spider lad you shared with me. The magnificent

995
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: gentleman with the Walrus mustache style chillissery. Yeah, Admiral Trench,

996
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: who's like a big Admiral tarantula creature that shows up

997
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: fighting with for the Separatist Yeah, very good. Okay, well,

998
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 1: maybe maybe I'll get there sometime in the near future.

999
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: I will say, though, I think I want to disagree

1000
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: with something Kale said, which is that that the fascination

1001
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: with Boba Fett could be rooted in uh the character

1002
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: appearing in and having a good storyline in the Clone Wars.

1003
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 1: This definitely predates the Clone Wars TV show. I remember

1004
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, my Star Wars friends were

1005
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: obsessed with Boba Fett, and I thought he was cool.

1006
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: But I still even then didn't quite get it. Was like,

1007
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: you just don't know much about him. And I think

1008
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: maybe that's part of it. He was exciting because he

1009
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 1: had cool looking armor and you didn't know much about him. Yeah,

1010
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I absolutely, I absolutely agree with that. Um.

1011
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: But but I will say that you know, when when

1012
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: the storytelling is is really on point, um, you know,

1013
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: the mystery can be transformed into something, uh, something even

1014
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: more satisfying. Um. Like. Another example of this is that

1015
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 1: you have the character of Darth Maul, who of course

1016
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: shows up in The Phantom Menace. Is a really interesting

1017
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 1: looking character. We don't know much about them and are

1018
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 1: there seemingly slain at the end of that movie. Well,

1019
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: Clone Wars brings him back. And I knew the Clone

1020
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: Wars was going to bring him back, and I was

1021
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: a little suspicious of it. I'm like, hey, he was

1022
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 1: cutting half. I don't really know that I need Darth

1023
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: Maul to come back. Um, he was only so interesting.

1024
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: There's the mystery of the character, etcetera, etcetera. But I

1025
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: have to say they did a really fabulous job bringing

1026
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: him back. The Darth Maul return arc that occurs on

1027
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: Clone Wars is is superb stuff, and they made the

1028
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: character far more interesting, uh than than than than anything

1029
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: he had going for him in Phantom Menace was is

1030
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: he I don't know, I'm cutting half pretty bad Dowey. Oh,

1031
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: I mean, um, it's I don't want to give much away,

1032
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: but basically, imagine you know a character like that, that

1033
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: is that is that has survived all these years just

1034
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: mostly based on hate. Like that's the power of the

1035
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: dark side, is um, you know, sufficiently evil characters they

1036
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: never really die because they're too hateful, they're too too

1037
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: off to to pass on to another existence. That's right.

1038
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: Build yourself an armor of Hatred and evil, a lesson

1039
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: of Star Wars. Well, you are tempting me because I

1040
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: gotta know. Does Darth Maul talk? Uh, because he's only

1041
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: got two in the movie, right, Yes, he does talk,

1042
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: and in fact a really awesome voice actor by the

1043
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: name of Sam Whitworth or perhaps it's vit Vir. I'm

1044
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: not sure. I haven't heard his name pronounced out loud,

1045
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: but um, he he does the voice and it's terrific,

1046
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: Like he's able to really inject this kind of desperate,

1047
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: doomed pain into the character. Um, because he's like you

1048
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: really get the sense of a character that should have died. Uh,

1049
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: that is alive just purely because of his hate and

1050
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: um yeah, it's it's just fabulously done. All right. Well,

1051
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: there we have it. Um, we're gonna go ahead and

1052
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: close it out there. We had a lot of great

1053
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: listener mail that we were able to read in this episode.

1054
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: We also received a lot of great listener mail that

1055
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: we just didn't have time for here today. Uh, and

1056
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: is always I just want to let everybody know, just

1057
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: remind you you know, we we we rarely respond to

1058
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: listener mail, um via email, and we can only read

1059
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: so much of it on the show, but we do

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