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Speaker 1: kill Lauren, Let's start at the beginning. What happened to Chelsea?

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Speaker 1: the timeline, Ellen, because that's what's so important. Kelsey disappeared

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Speaker 1: I do have a lot to say about this Nancy.

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Speaker 1: So here's the thing. We don't know what happened to her.

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Speaker 1: Best case, she decided to take off, God willing, God hoping,

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Speaker 1: Ellen Kilaurin. She's a flying instructor. That's great. I mean

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Speaker 1: Ashley will caught. A woman that's calling her mom for

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Speaker 1: behind him, and I would not be surprised if at

426
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Speaker 1: some juncture Chris Watts tries to contest his guilty plea,

427
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: be careful what you ask, my dear, for you will

428
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: surely get it. He could get a trial if a

429
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: judge went along with that, and I believe the state

430
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: would seek the death penalty on him. But Ellen Colorin,

431
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you. What is a new

432
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: evidence you've discovered. Well, as we heard in the nine

433
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: one one call, I think that one very important thing

434
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: here is even though people on Chris watt side of things,

435
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: including his family, will say he was the best guy ever,

436
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: he was the greatest guy ever. Sandan's friends knew that

437
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: something was up, and they knew it pretty quickly. He

438
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: claimed that Shannon's went on a playdate and brought her

439
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 1: two daughters, But as her friend says in the nine

440
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: one one call, the car seats are still in the

441
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: back of the car. Another friend, Cassie, who's among several

442
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: people who are frantically looking for Shannon Watts that morning,

443
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: says to Chris, where are you get over to your house?

444
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: Or I'm going to call the police. The police are

445
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: going to bust down your door. And Chris said to her,

446
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: don't call the police. But fortunately Nicole Atkinson did call

447
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: the police and they were there waiting for him. No

448
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: matter what Chris Watts tries to claim or tried to

449
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: claim about how his daughters were killed, one thing say

450
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: undisputed the fact that he put those bodies into a

451
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: tiny little aid in space. And when he first confesses

452
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: to investigators about how he disposed of them, they can't

453
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: believe it. They are incredulous that he was able to

454
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: get those bodies in there. And the first investigators to

455
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: go out to the scene saw that there was hair

456
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: on the opening to one of those oil tanks, but

457
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: Chris Wats insisted it was no trouble at all. It

458
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 1: was easy. There's no way that's true, and that tells

459
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: you everything about what you need about what kind of

460
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: person Chris was at that time. Alexis Treschuk way in

461
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: on what we have learned not only from this novel

462
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: One Call, but from the text that Ellen and you

463
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: have managed to obtain. So Nan was texting with her friends.

464
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: She was gone on a business trip the weekend before

465
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: she was murdered, and she was telling them that she

466
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: was afraid her marriage over, that there was nothing that

467
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: she was going to be able to do to fix it.

468
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: She had fallen out of love with her. He wasn't

469
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: physical with her when they were on vacation together. There

470
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: was and she just said, I'm afraid there's nothing I

471
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: can do. And she was in a panic. This is

472
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: her marriage, that had been years, they'd been together forever,

473
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: they two children, one on the way, and all of

474
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: a sudden, on the turn of a dime, he had

475
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: stopped loving her and stop being affectionate. She was frantically

476
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what she could do, and that's

477
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: what the text messages show. They show she says, well,

478
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: what if there's nothing I can do? What if this

479
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: is really really over? I'm that a lot. I don't

480
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: know what to do. And her friends were writing back

481
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: and saying there must be an explanation because they'd all

482
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: seen their wonderful relationship. Everybody had seen them together. He

483
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: was a great husband. They whether they were so cute.

484
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: They were so excited that they were having another baby,

485
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: that's about to do a gender reveal party, and instead

486
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: she knew that he was seeing So he had spent

487
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: sixty two dollars at a restaurant, and she found that

488
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: out while she was with her friends, and that is

489
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: more money than one person would have spent at this

490
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: restaurant because they looked up online. He said he had

491
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: salmon and beer, and her friend looked it up with her,

492
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: and salmon and beer did not crist sixty two dollars.

493
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: So these friends knew that this marriage was a crisis.

494
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: So when she was texting them about how unhappy and

495
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: how scared she was for the future of her marriage,

496
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: they knew that there was something wrong too too. Joseph

497
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, death investigator, author of Blood Beneath My Feet

498
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: on Amazon. You're right about at least one of the

499
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: children fighting back. The four year old daughter, Bella, did

500
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: fight back, and this is how we know that, as

501
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: he strangled her before it, shoving her little body into

502
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: an oil drum. Because Bella actually bit her own tongue

503
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: as she tried to stop her dad from suffocating her,

504
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: and the autopsy reveals that her body was totally scraped

505
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: as he tried to cram her body through a very

506
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: small hatch in an oil tank where he hid her in.

507
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: Baby sister, Celeste. Can you just imagine the horror and

508
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: that little girl's mind as she fought for her life. No, No,

509
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: I absolutely can't, Nancy. Uh. And it just out of

510
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: nowhere in this environment which you feel very very safe.

511
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: You know, you talked about how she was crammed into this,

512
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: into this space. Uh, this hatch in the top, this

513
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: eight inch hole. Can I say something real quick? In

514
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: my research that I've found, do you know what the

515
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: name of those hatches are are called? On top of

516
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,479
Speaker 1: those tanks? And this is rife with irony, Those are

517
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: actually referred to as thief hatches, Nancy. And I find

518
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: it interesting here because he literally stole these little girls

519
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: lives unaware, this person that was that was tasked with

520
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: taking care of them, with loving them, with providing for them,

521
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: stole their lives and just jammed them and stuffed them

522
00:31:51,840 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: away like a piece of garbage. Helping me God, my daddy, daddy.

523
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: And you are hearing Chris Watts's daughter in her car

524
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,239
Speaker 1: seat singing my daddy as a hero. The same day

525
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: Chris Watts that then killed her, her little sister, the mom,

526
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: Chananne and the baby. And right now I'm looking at

527
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: texts between Chananne and her friends and she's now talking

528
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: to her friends. What am I going to do? What

529
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: am I going to do? She says, I can't do

530
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: this alone with three children. I'm not happy. And the

531
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: friends trying to talk her into keeping baby Nico because

532
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: she desperately wanted the baby boy, and she says, Chananne,

533
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: I keep asking him again and again, but because he

534
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: ignored me when I asked did he want the baby?

535
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: And he said no? So to Karen Start and York psychologist,

536
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: what does that mean to you? She's writing text to

537
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: her friends Chris does not want this baby, that he's

538
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: happy with Bella and Celeste. He thought he wanted another baby.

539
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: How I got this out of him? I said to him,

540
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: do you want me to abort? You? Know? Nancy? What

541
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: would have been amazingly wonderful at that point was for

542
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: her to realize that that is a terrible sign. Here's

543
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: a guy who enjoys being a father, once had a baby,

544
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,479
Speaker 1: he has this whole thing where they're a great family,

545
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: and now he's saying he doesn't want the baby after

546
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: she's already pregnant. That is a sign that something is very,

547
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: very wrong, and unfortunately she didn't realize that. You know,

548
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: to Lee Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer, divorce lawyer, I've

549
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: said it a million times, Kathleen, why not just get

550
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: a divorce for Pete? Say? I don't. I don't understand

551
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: this thinking people have a misconception of what a divorce

552
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: really entails. I'm a mediator and I tell people that

553
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: come in to see me that we are required to

554
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: mediate so many issues before we even head into litigation

555
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: or hearings. And it's not a process to be afraid of.

556
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: That's why I offer at my office a consultation at

557
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: no charge. I've been doing that for thirty years because

558
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: we need to squash that myth that a divorce can

559
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: be so terrifying and destructive. It's really not. It's really not. Nancy. Well,

560
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, Kathleen. You've got the husband

561
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 1: saying aboard the baby. She's already at fifteen weeks, okay,

562
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: so that she's in her third month. Let me ask

563
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: you about the possibility that Chris Watts is going to

564
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 1: contest his guilty plea. You know that's happened many many times.

565
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: Or someone comes up with an excuse, they contest their

566
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: guilty plea, they get a trial. You know, the Colorado

567
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 1: has the death penalty. He's a narcissist. He is never

568
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: going to be wrong and it's always going to be

569
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: a self focus. I would not be surprised if that

570
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: comes down the pipes. Look at the Scott Peterson. We're

571
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: God of Habeas Corpus, that dear Lord in heaven exactly.

572
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: You know, here's another issue, Jessicott Morgan, you have carefully

573
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: you're the forensics expert, Professor Forensics at Jackson State University.

574
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: What do we learn from the bodies that implicates him? Well,

575
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: you know, I think that for me when I'm when

576
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the autopsy reports on these these four

577
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: actually four innocent innocent here the would see see the

578
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: youngest she was, there is little or no trauma or

579
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: anything that's that's going to give you an indication of

580
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: how she was killed. I think a lot of that

581
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: is through process of elimination, going back to her older

582
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: sister with Bella. When Chris Watts and I can say

583
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: this in the affirmative. Now, when Chris Watts suffocated Bella,

584
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: he forcefully held his hand over her face or put

585
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 1: a pillow her face to the period to the point

586
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: where she's convulsing and and ripping the interior the little

587
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 1: attachments of tissue in her mouth as well as biting

588
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: her tongue with chanan. She's got a single mark on

589
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: the right side of her neck. There's like actually hemorrhage.

590
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: If people just feel to the right side of the

591
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: cartilage on their neck, there's an area in there called

592
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: strap muscles, and she's got a focal area of hemorrhage.

593
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: That's why I think she was probably you know, everybody,

594
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: every lady in the audience that has been pregnant, you know,

595
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: you can't get comfortable. She's probably sleeping on her left side.

596
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: I think that he approached from her right rear and

597
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: wrapped his hand around her neck from the rear and

598
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: choked her out. And that's how she got this mark

599
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: on the right side of her neck, because she's laying

600
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: on the left side of her body to try to

601
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: be comforted as she sleeps with baby Nico in her womb.

602
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's also amazing is it true, Alexis Tresha,

603
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: writer online dot Com, that Chris Watts is already getting

604
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: love letters, love letters behind bars. He killed his wife

605
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: and children, and women are writing him love letters. It's

606
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: not like he was tried and there's some question about

607
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: his innocence. He pled guilty, okay, so nobody can have

608
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: the illusion that he's wrongly convicted. He pled guilty, and

609
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: women are still writing him. They want to sleep with

610
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: him behind bars. They are still so we ever became

611
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 1: so many letters from women. These are and written ten

612
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: page letters and cursive, curlycue writing with heart emojis, draw

613
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: hearts and smiley faces, just telling Chris that they think

614
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: he looks like a beautiful soul and they feel a

615
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: connection to him, and they he should because they just

616
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: know that they have a you know, a good way

617
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: that they can really bring him out of these dark places.

618
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: These women are crazy that are writing to him. And

619
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: it's not just one. There are multiple letters of people

620
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: they're writing him. They send pictures of themselves so that

621
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: he can see how beautiful they are and just say,

622
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: don't you see that we have this connection. I can

623
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: help you, I can be the one, and I feel

624
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: a love that I'm sending towards you. It's really disturbing

625
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: that people do this. This man he killed his entire

626
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: family and he confess, he confessed to the police that

627
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: he killed them, and they still think that he's this

628
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: wonderful man because he's so good looking. He's not good looking.

629
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: Quit saying that Alexis. He's not good looking. When I

630
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,479
Speaker 1: look at him, I just see the devil. We wait

631
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: as more of this investigation unfolds. Nancy Grace Crime Story,

632
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,