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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Location of your emergency? I don't.

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Speaker 3: We don't know what what is.

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Speaker 4: The of the emergency?

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Speaker 5: One one?

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Speaker 6: Who King?

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Speaker 2: Trying on a location of your emergency?

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Speaker 4: Something? Hope?

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Speaker 3: We don't know what what.

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Speaker 4: Is the as of the emergency? What is the rest

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Speaker 4: of the address?

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Speaker 3: Oh King?

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Speaker 4: Two roads? Okay?

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Speaker 2: And there's that a house or an apartments?

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Speaker 3: The house?

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Speaker 4: Can you repeat the address to make sure that I

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Speaker 4: have it right.

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Speaker 7: I'll talk to you, guys. We're we have a delights over.

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Speaker 2: Next to them.

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Speaker 8: Just hearing that nine one one call makes all of

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Speaker 8: our legal analysis and speculation about what may or may

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Speaker 8: not happen at trial dim dim because we hear the

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Speaker 8: fear and the terror in the voices of those co

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Speaker 8: eds upon finding the bodies of their roommates in the

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Speaker 8: last hours. Stunning and heart wrenching nine one one calls

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Speaker 8: and texts have been released that reveal what the roommates

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Speaker 8: did before they called nine one, well as well their movements.

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Speaker 8: But first, let's hear the actual nine one one call

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Speaker 8: and let me advise you. It's disturbing, and of course

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Speaker 8: the Brian Coberger defense wants it suppressed.

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Speaker 1: They don't want the jury to hear this. Wow, I

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Speaker 1: wonder why tell.

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Speaker 3: Me exactly what's going on?

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Speaker 7: One of our one of the roommates has.

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Speaker 5: Passed out and she's drung class night and shn't wake

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Speaker 5: me up.

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Speaker 7: Oh, and they saw some men in their house.

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Speaker 5: I was, yeah, Hian, are you in the pace? Okay?

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Speaker 4: I need someone to keep the phone. Stop passing it around?

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Speaker 5: Can I just tell you what happened? Pretty much?

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Speaker 4: What is going on currently? If someone passed out right now.

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Speaker 5: I don't really know what pretty much for you in Okay.

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Speaker 4: I need to know what's going on right now. If

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Speaker 4: someone has passed out, can you find that out?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll come on a medical check.

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Speaker 4: We have to.

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Speaker 8: I wonder how that nine one one dispatcher feels right

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Speaker 8: now as we hear her say, uh, stop passing it

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Speaker 8: around and being.

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Speaker 1: Completely rude to these co eds calling in.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 8: You see the difference in the voice of the second caller,

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Speaker 8: and she's sounds much calmer than you know what. Let's

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Speaker 8: listen to the first one now, and I don't on.

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Speaker 2: Location of the emergency.

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Speaker 5: Something he's talking to you.

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Speaker 4: Don't know what what is the address of the emergency?

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Speaker 4: What is the rest of the address oh king, okay,

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Speaker 4: and is that a house or an apartment? It's a house.

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Speaker 4: Can you repeat the address to make sure that I

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Speaker 4: have it right.

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Speaker 7: I'll talk to you guys. We're we live at the lights,

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Speaker 7: so we're next to them.

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Speaker 8: You can hear the sobbing and the hysteria in the

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Speaker 8: background of that nine on one call. Now compare it

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Speaker 8: to the next comments.

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Speaker 3: Tell me exactly what's going on.

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Speaker 4: One of our one of the roommates.

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Speaker 7: Whos passed out and she's drunk class night and.

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Speaker 4: She's not wake me up.

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Speaker 3: It's okay.

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Speaker 5: Oh, and they saw some man in their house house night.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, an, are you with the patient? Okay?

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Speaker 2: I need someone to keep the phone, stop passing it around.

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Speaker 4: Can I just tell you what happened?

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Speaker 5: Pretty much?

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Speaker 4: What is going on currently? If someone passed out right now,

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Speaker 4: someone has passed out, can you find that out?

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Speaker 5: No, check.

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Speaker 8: What we have to And there you hear the surviving

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Speaker 1: She says pretty much at four a m.

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Speaker 8: And the dispatch operator cuts in and goes, yeah, I

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Speaker 8: don't need to know that. I need to know if

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Speaker 8: somebody passed out. Can you find that out?

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Speaker 9: Okay, let's keep going.

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Speaker 5: She's not waking up.

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Speaker 4: Okay, one moment, I'm going to help hert.

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Speaker 5: It that way.

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Speaker 8: You're crying and heavy breathing between sobs. In the background,

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Speaker 8: it was almost unintelligible. Now they've got a guy friend

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Speaker 8: that's been brought over, and you hear him screaming.

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Speaker 1: Xana, Ethan.

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Speaker 8: Unintelligible right now, get somebody here right now, and the

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Speaker 1: Yelling Xana, Xana.

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Speaker 8: And I only can imagine at that moment to Chris

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Speaker 8: McDonough joining me. He and I've been to the scene

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Speaker 8: many many times, them shaking Xanna, yelling at Xana, trying

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Speaker 8: to make her wake up. No wonder Coburger wants this

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Speaker 8: takes you to that moment when they realize their roommates

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Speaker 8: have all been murdered.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, Nancy, I mean, this is a very powerful nine

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Speaker 10: one one call. It also gives us a clear understanding

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Speaker 10: of the state of mind of everybody that was experiencing

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Speaker 10: this horror that very moment. I mean to the point

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Speaker 10: where you know, there's almost a disbelief that takes place.

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Speaker 10: And I've heard, like you and many others, hundreds of

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Speaker 10: these phone calls, and these kids imagine going upstairs and

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Speaker 10: witnessing what they've witnessed is just horrific. It's absolutely horrific.

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Speaker 8: I'm just thinking how they are going to try to

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Speaker 8: get the nine on one calls suppressed.

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Speaker 11: It's really hard to do. To doctor Bethany.

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Speaker 8: Marshall, first of all, we were just speaking to Chris mcdonna.

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Speaker 8: He is the star of the Interview Room on his

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Speaker 8: own YouTube channel, but for my purposes, he is a

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Speaker 8: veteran homicide detective with over three hundred death scenes under

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Speaker 8: his belt. He's at Coldcasefoundation dot org. Doctor Bethany, these

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Speaker 8: two surviving victims, Dylan and Bethany, have been attacked, maligned, mistreated,

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Speaker 8: all sorts of accusations hurled their way.

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Speaker 1: None of it matters when you hear this nine one

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Speaker 1: one call. None of that matters.

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Speaker 8: I remember when I first started prosecuting, I would try to,

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Speaker 8: you know, reshape the victims or witnesses to give a

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Speaker 11: That lasted one trial I'm like, forget it.

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Speaker 8: Take your witness as you find them, and whether the

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Speaker 8: cross exam nothing is going to matter to this jury.

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Speaker 1: When they hear that nine to one one call. No

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Speaker 1: matter how the defense tries to attack.

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Speaker 12: These girls, Nancy, this nine to one one call is

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Speaker 12: the first witness and the last witness in this case.

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Speaker 12: It's uncontrovertible truth. You cannot take away from it. You

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Speaker 12: cannot minimize, you cannot cross examine a tape and try

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Speaker 12: to tell the witnesses, Oh, they weren't really that emotional

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Speaker 12: and they were making it up. It's right there. You

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Speaker 12: hear the shock, the shock in comprehension, trying to make

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Speaker 12: sense of what's going on, the hysteria. As you said earlier, also, Nancy, fear,

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Speaker 12: profound fear. They say there was a man in the

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Speaker 12: house last night, So in a house where they feel

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Speaker 12: vulnerable at that point too guilt that is their roommate

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Speaker 12: and not them. You know, Nancy, the tapes are going

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Speaker 12: to be suppressed because these voices don't lie. They are real, true, raw,

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Speaker 12: jagged emotion.

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Speaker 8: I'm going out now to crime Stories. Investigative reporter who

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Speaker 8: has devoted herself to researching and investigating, pouring over every detail,

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Speaker 8: every photo, every word of transcript in this case, Sidney's

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Speaker 8: summer joining us. Could you clarify for everyone who is

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Speaker 8: Hunter Johnson?

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Speaker 7: So Nancy Hunter Johnson is referred to only as HJ

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Speaker 7: in court documents, but when you read the Gonzalvest statement

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Speaker 7: in response to this nine to one one call being

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Speaker 7: made public, they mention Hunter Johnson. He is a friend

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Speaker 7: of Ethan Shapins, and he is that male voice that

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Speaker 7: you're hearing on the nine to one one call, according

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Speaker 7: to the Gonsolvest' family. So the context that we can

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Speaker 7: kind of gather what I'm hearing at least, is that

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Speaker 7: Hunter is the one who couldn't get a hold of

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Speaker 7: Sethan finally decides, you know they're not answering the bedroom door.

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Speaker 7: I'm going to step in here and see what's going on.

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Speaker 7: So he opens that door. He sees Vanna's body, and

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Speaker 7: at this point he knows that something is really wrong.

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Speaker 7: He can immediately tells beth Andy Funk to call nine

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Speaker 7: one one, but it seems like he didn't give her

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Speaker 7: tells her that Zana needs help. She needs to call

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Speaker 7: nine one one, but doesn't really explain everything. So when

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Speaker 7: you hear them, we need to go check, we need

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Speaker 7: to get more information for the dispatcher. They go inside

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Speaker 7: to talk to Hunter to see what's going on, and

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Speaker 7: they're asking, is she okay? Is she passed out? Because

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Speaker 7: he hasn't told them what he is seeing in an

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Speaker 7: effort to protect them, maybe keep them calm so they

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Speaker 7: can get nine one one there, And you can hear

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Speaker 7: him get out, get out, get out, telling them to

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Speaker 8: When you know what you're looking for, and you'll have

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Speaker 8: When you know what you're looking for or listening for,

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Speaker 8: you clearly hear him h J. Hunter yelling Xana Athan

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Speaker 8: and then you hear him again, yelling for Xana Cronodle

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Speaker 11: Here. We hear him again, listen, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Okay, and how old is she?

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Speaker 7: She's twenty.

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Speaker 4: Twenty, you said.

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Speaker 7: Here's okay?

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Speaker 4: Hello, Hello, okay, I need someone to stop passing the

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Speaker 5: Hey, sorry, they just gave me the phone.

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Speaker 4: Is she breathing?

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Speaker 8: What is wrong with this dispatch operator? But you know what,

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Speaker 8: that's neither here nor there. Here we are hearing HJ.

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Speaker 8: Hunter talking to dispatch, and at the beginning you hear

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Speaker 8: end with the word blood.

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Speaker 11: And then you hear him turn around.

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Speaker 8: And yell get out, get out, get out.

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Speaker 1: And crying.

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Speaker 8: And then you hear a female voice crying, and then

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Speaker 8: you hear dispatch being rude.

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Speaker 11: Again. Let's hear more of the n I'm on one

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Speaker 11: called just released.

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Speaker 7: And I can't talk to him.

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Speaker 2: Hello, okay, I have already sent to be ambulance and

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Speaker 4: Stay on the line. If there's a fibrillator available, send

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Speaker 4: someone to get it now and tell me when.

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Speaker 2: You have it.

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Speaker 5: Again, there's a poet here right now.

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Speaker 4: Okay. If there's a deibrillator available, send someone to get

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Speaker 4: it now and tell me when you have it.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a disipulator?

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Speaker 5: Guess do you have one?

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Speaker 4: Are you talking to the officer? Yes, Okay, I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: let you go to see there with you and can.

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Speaker 5: Help you well, okay, thank you fine.

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Speaker 8: Okay to Sydney Summer, joining us at Crime Stories, investigative reporter, Sydney,

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Speaker 8: Dead and told Dylan and Bethany to get out, yelling

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Speaker 8: A defibrillator would not have helped at that point, Sydney.

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Speaker 7: No, Nancy, absolutely not. And that's the point that involve

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Speaker 7: I do think it's interesting that the girls, everyone on

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Speaker 11: It does, Sidney Sumner.

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Speaker 8: There is no a replacement, There is no substitute for preparation,

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Speaker 11: And what you just said I find incredibly valuable.

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Speaker 8: And I'll tell you why, Sidney Summer, Because we know

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Speaker 8: one call. In all their suffering, they maintain not only courage,

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Speaker 13: and trimmor in the student's voices reveals a cruel reality.

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Speaker 13: They experienced, the kind of horror that shakes you to

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Speaker 3: Tell me exactly what's on.

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Speaker 5: One of the roommates has passed out as she's young

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Speaker 8: In the last hours, heart wrenching nine one one calls

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Speaker 11: Thank you, Brian Coberg.

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Speaker 8: This is around ten twenty ten thirty in the morning,

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Speaker 8: You of course you know this is coming. Those nine

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Speaker 14: Law enforcement released the nine to one one recording after

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Speaker 14: the prosecutors unsealed a court document with transcript of the call.

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Speaker 14: The filing in response to Coberg's argument the jury should

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Speaker 14: argue that the call was improperly submitted as evidence, as

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Speaker 13: Call are hearsay.

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Speaker 14: Judge John Judge already ruled that the statements in question

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Speaker 8: Joining me high profile lawyer out of the LA jurisdiction

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Speaker 8: Philip Debay, Okay.

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Speaker 1: You know what you just heard.

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Speaker 8: I'm going to throw a technical legal term at you

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Speaker 8: You know, they make an argument that a nine to

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Speaker 1: But also so of course it's going to come in.

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Speaker 1: So what are they trying to do?

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Speaker 15: Well, I think what they're trying to establish is that

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Speaker 15: They have to be relaying what is happening in real time,

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Speaker 15: last night, So what are you going to do? You're

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Speaker 8: First of all, what you just said is not true,

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Speaker 8: because I have entered niemal one calls saying nim one

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Speaker 8: couldnt be cross examined unless you perform a seance in

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Speaker 8: the fact that the nine one one call or who

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Speaker 15: Where would it end? What if she would have said,

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Speaker 15: I saw a man in the house six years ago, shibuis,

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Speaker 11: But that's not what she said.

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Speaker 15: No, but she said last night. So last night is

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Speaker 15: a scale fact. It's not a present No, it's not

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Speaker 5: How do you.

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Speaker 1: Figure him up? You are misleading the viewers.

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Speaker 8: Present tense present tense impression is what the speaker is saying.

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Speaker 1: At that moment.

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Speaker 8: It doesn't matter if she's recounting something that happened eight

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Speaker 8: she can be cross examined on.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know what.

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Speaker 8: I'm not a betting person, but why don't we bet

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Speaker 8: right now on air?

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Speaker 1: This nine on one will come in.

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Speaker 15: Of course it will because anything to stick it to

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know what I lost to someone with real.

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Speaker 8: Life experience and nine one calls Chris mcdonne and joining me.

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Speaker 8: Homicide detective worked over three hundred homicide cases plus, he

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Speaker 11: You don't even want to know what he saw.

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Speaker 8: Advice, Chris, have you ever in your life and all

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Speaker 8: the cases you investigated, ever seeing the nine one one

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Speaker 1: One time?

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Speaker 10: No, and definitely not under these circumstances. I mean, your

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Speaker 10: point is right on target, Nancy, with you know, the

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Speaker 10: And remember we also have to keep the frame of

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Speaker 8: In addition to the release in the past hours of

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Speaker 8: the defense is trying to suppress, new cell phone data

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Speaker 8: released that indicates what the surviving roommates did before calling

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Speaker 8: nine to one one, And again the survivors have been

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Speaker 8: attacked viciously. The murders occurred around four am, and you

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Speaker 1: Much later mid morning.

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Speaker 8: Now we're getting a peak at what was happening in

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Speaker 8: We know they were all out really late, some of

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Speaker 8: Remember at the beginning of the investigation. Let's see this

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Speaker 8: I recall there was a guy in the distance. All

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Speaker 8: these people were tracked down and questioned. See the guy

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Speaker 11: In the morning.

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Speaker 8: I'm talking one, two, three. We know they went home.

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Speaker 8: We know some of them ordered like uber eats. These

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Speaker 11: With they go home.

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Speaker 8: Then naysayers immediately began vilifying Dylan and Bethany because they

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Speaker 8: want you to see the text conversation between Dylan and Bethany.

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Speaker 7: No one is answering.

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Speaker 1: I'm really confused right now.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, dude, what the Vanna was wearing all black?

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Speaker 1: I'm freaking out right now. No, it's like a ski mask.

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Speaker 5: Almost shut the fuck up.

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Speaker 1: Actually, like he had something over his forehead and mouth. Bethany,

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Speaker 1: I'm not kidding.

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Speaker 11: I'm so freaked out.

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Speaker 12: So a mine, my phone is going to die, come

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Speaker 12: I know, but it's better than being alone.

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Speaker 8: Sidney Sumner joining me Crime Stories, investigative reporter, Sydney. Let's

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Speaker 8: put this into context. Of course, the cell phone data

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Speaker 8: experts are going to know exactly what time these texts

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Speaker 8: who the state contends to be Brian Coburger standing there,

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Speaker 8: and we were all like, well, well not us, but

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Speaker 8: others were, well, why didn't she called my one?

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Speaker 1: One then seemingly attacking her.

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Speaker 8: Sure, tell me what you've gleaned about these text messages, Sidney, Nancy.

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Speaker 7: I think these text messages are between two terrified co

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Speaker 7: eds who don't know what's going on and have been

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Speaker 7: out all night partying, drinking. So unfortunately they are not

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Speaker 7: sober at this point, and their house is known to

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Speaker 7: have sometimes strangers in it. They throw parties often, they

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Speaker 7: have a lot of friends. There's five people living there,

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Speaker 7: So in terms of having a stranger in the house,

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Speaker 7: that's not super uncommon for them. And even if this

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Speaker 7: person was not somebody they recognized and fruit them out,

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Speaker 7: they might not immediately call nine to one one, not

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Speaker 7: knowing whether or not this is someone who is supposed

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Speaker 7: to be there at that point.

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Speaker 8: Okay, brace yourselves, Philip Dubay joining me, high profile lawyer

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Speaker 8: out of LA What would be the grounds? Okay, saggerate,

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Speaker 8: no hyperbolek just tell me what could possibly be the

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Speaker 8: grounds the defense will use to try and suppress these

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Speaker 8: text messages.

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Speaker 11: Philip Debay that.

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Speaker 15: It violates the rule of completeness. In other words, if

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Speaker 15: you don't have the complete textual context, and all you're

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Speaker 15: doing is just providing snippets, perhaps out of context, then

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Speaker 15: what it does is it has a tendency to mislead

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Speaker 15: the jury. So how you cure it is you allow

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Speaker 15: all the texts in their entirety to come in so

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Speaker 15: that the jury can read everything in harmony. Otherwise it

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Speaker 15: has a tendency to mislead the tryer effect, and it's

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Speaker 15: common not just with text messages. We see it where

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Speaker 15: prosecutors try to admit recorded statements of a defendant recorded

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Speaker 15: statements of a victim or of a witness, and in

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Speaker 15: order to have a thorough opportunity to cross examine on

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Speaker 15: each point, you need everything presented.

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Speaker 8: Oh oh, how I would love to try a case

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Speaker 8: I can to you and have you spout that out

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Speaker 8: in front of a judge, because.

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Speaker 11: The remedy for that is to say, fine.

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Speaker 1: We'll play the whole thing.

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Speaker 8: Everybody, get comfy because it's about two hours here. We're

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Speaker 8: just showing the relevant portion of the text dubet. Other

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Speaker 8: text preceding this are talking about.

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Speaker 1: Hey, where are we going to dinner? Where are you tonight?

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Speaker 11: Where are you tonight?

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Speaker 8: Let's go home, let's order uber each Do you want

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Speaker 8: noodles or do you want a hamburger?

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Speaker 16: Exactly?

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Speaker 8: We play the part about the attacks.

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Speaker 1: But sure.

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Speaker 8: The answer to that is sure, be careful what you want,

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Speaker 8: my dear, for you will surely get it.

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Speaker 1: The defense wants to hear the whole thing. I'm happy

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Speaker 1: to play it with that.

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Speaker 8: Yes, noo, that make you happy, because that is the

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Speaker 8: rule of completeness. In other words, both sides get to

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Speaker 8: see the entire transcript, or hear the whole interview or

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Speaker 8: the whole phone call.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's relevant or not.

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Speaker 8: Would that would that playcate your completeness objection?

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Speaker 15: It would cure it. Remember it's a legal objection, it's not. Yeah,

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Speaker 15: of course it would.

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Speaker 17: So, yes, Okay, Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 3: How old is she breathing?

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Speaker 2: Close?

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Speaker 11: She breathing?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 8: Stunningly, while we have seen the defense waffling, skidding.

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Speaker 1: Back and forth, what will be the defense now?

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Speaker 8: Believe it or not, the defense has emerged and it

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Speaker 8: is I was framed.

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Speaker 18: Listen well, still fighting to exclude the knife sheath DNA

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Speaker 18: evidence that was identified as Coburger through investigative genetic genielo.

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Speaker 18: It appears the defense will now claim that Coburger was

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Speaker 18: framed the knife sheath left behind by the real killer

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Speaker 18: to distract detectives. The state points out the defense's potential

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Speaker 18: argument in response to a sealed filing Prosecutors right that

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Speaker 18: the defense will try to convince a jury that the

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Speaker 18: sheath does not prove Coburger was ever at the crime scene.

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Speaker 1: Oh dear, have they launched onto my knife and gun?

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Speaker 8: Show theory that they would argue that Coburger had touched

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Speaker 8: the knife or the knife sheath and then someone else

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Speaker 8: I guess what was watching him and left it there

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Speaker 8: to frame him, framed by who Let me see that

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Speaker 8: smirky selfie where Coburger goes all Kim Komi. Wait a minute,

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Speaker 8: Sidney Sumner, do I see I'm seeing in this version?

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Speaker 8: Is that a window seal? Is that a window frame

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Speaker 8: to the right, or is that a shower curtain? Or

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Speaker 8: do we even know?

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Speaker 7: Nancy? We don't know for certain, but unfortunately, I do

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Speaker 7: personally think that is a shower. It's not a flat edge,

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Speaker 7: it's clearly foft, possibly hanging, and I can possibly barely

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Speaker 7: see a little hair of a shower curtain ring up

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Speaker 7: in that top right corner.

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Speaker 8: Sidney Summer, tell me about the cell phone data that

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Speaker 8: the defense is content. They're contending it right now, and

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Speaker 8: they're bringing on a so called expert to do so.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Nancy. So what the defense is claiming is that

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Speaker 7: once again the state has cherry picked what data they

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Speaker 7: want to include so that this cell phone data fits

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Speaker 7: their narrative that Coburger was at this house that night.

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Speaker 7: So FBI agent Nicholas Balance did some kind of analysis,

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Speaker 7: and they're claiming that he willfully chose things that helped

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Speaker 7: the state's case and left out exculpatory evidence. But they

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Speaker 7: don't know because he didn't file a complete report. So

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Speaker 7: defence is claiming they only sent over a PowerPoint that

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Speaker 7: they planned to use in court, and it doesn't tell

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Speaker 7: me anything about his methodology. So this testimony needs to

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Speaker 7: be blocked.

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Speaker 8: Todd Shipley joining me, digital cybercrime expert, former detective sergeant,

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Speaker 8: author of a new book, It's Amazing Surviving a cyber Attack,

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Speaker 8: Securing Social Media, Protecting Your Home. Is also author of

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Speaker 8: Investigating Internet Crimes, Solving Crimes in Cyberspace. You can find

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Speaker 8: them at dark Intel dot info. Todd, again, that's albs.

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Speaker 8: Because the defense has access to all of the same

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Speaker 8: data the state has, they can.

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Speaker 1: Generate their own report.

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Speaker 8: Instead of saying, exclude all of this because we don't

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Speaker 8: like the state's report.

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Speaker 1: They can do their own report. What are they going

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Speaker 1: on about.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's exactly right, Nancy. I mean, they could go

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Speaker 6: over the data. If they've got the cell phone tower data,

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Speaker 6: they've got the data from the cell phones, they could

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Speaker 6: be doing the comparison themselves and making a report that

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Speaker 6: they were just trying to bring somebody into testify to,

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Speaker 6: you know, make it it looked like the prosecution witness

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Speaker 6: was not doing the right job. If they did a declaration,

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Speaker 6: they could lay out exactly what they think the facts

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Speaker 6: are that could be then refuted by the prosecution if

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Speaker 6: it's wrong. But they haven't done that. They're just arguing

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Speaker 6: that they want somebody to testify. So it's kind of

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Speaker 6: silly that they've done this. They could just bring forward

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Speaker 6: the facts and see what's wrong with it, and they

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Speaker 6: haven't done it.

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Speaker 8: Shipley, you have very carefully reviewed the facts in this case.

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Speaker 8: What do you believe the cell phone data calls and

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Speaker 8: isn't it true regarding these texts we were just playing

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Speaker 8: as well as the nine one one call. We're going

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Speaker 8: to be able to tell digitally exactly what time the

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Speaker 8: text went down and the calls.

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Speaker 6: Well exactly, I mean, we're the digital elevenist is going

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Speaker 6: to tell a very compelling story for everybody, For all

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Speaker 6: the people in the house where they were that night before,

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Speaker 6: the events that occurred at the truck, that they had

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Speaker 6: dinner at all those things are going to be telling

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Speaker 6: the story, including the suspect. His cell phone is going

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Speaker 6: to be telling a story. But it's not all evidence yet.

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Speaker 6: They've just released the pings of you know, where the

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Speaker 6: towers were that the suspect was, and that's damning, and

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Speaker 6: that's why the defense doesn't want to bring it in

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Speaker 6: because it's telling a story that they don't like, and

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Speaker 6: it's going to tell more of it because there's more

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Speaker 6: of the story. I mean, even your image is more

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Speaker 6: than the selfie there that's you know you're posting. It's

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Speaker 6: going to tell a story. The digital elevens, the metadata

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Speaker 6: in that image is going to tell a story and

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Speaker 6: all the other things he's done, because I'm sure that

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Speaker 6: he likes so many other you know, suspects have plotted

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Speaker 6: this out and there may be evidence from days or

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Speaker 6: weeks before where he went to that house. I don't

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Speaker 6: know that for a fact, but as they go through

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Speaker 6: the phone, they're going to be able to see the

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Speaker 6: story of his life in addition to what the victims was.

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Speaker 8: Joining us now Special guest doctor Kendall Crowns. He is

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Speaker 8: the chief medical Examiner Terrant County, that's Fort Worth, Texas

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Speaker 8: and a stained a lecturer at the Burnett School of

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Speaker 8: Medicine at TCU. Question, why is it that at first

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Speaker 8: the girl's thought that the victims were just passed out.

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Speaker 11: How could that be? They were stabbed multiple times, doctor cram.

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Speaker 16: So, depending on where an individual is stabbed, they may

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Speaker 16: not actually bleed outside of their body. They'll bleed internally.

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Speaker 16: Usually like with sucking chest wounds, the blood will bleed

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Speaker 16: into your chest cavity. Blood may bleed into the abdominal cavity.

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Speaker 16: So if their wounds were in certain locations, there may

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Speaker 16: not have been any real blood that was outside of

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Speaker 16: the body, and so it wouldn't be soaking into their

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Speaker 16: clothes and they could look like they were just passed

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Speaker 16: out and laying there. And that would be my best

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Speaker 16: opinion on that.

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Speaker 8: You know, another thing, Doctor Kenell Crown's i'mcoming at this

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Speaker 8: from an evidentiary point of view. Have attacked the girls

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Speaker 8: because they say the witnesses the survivors, because they say, what,

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Speaker 8: you didn't hear anything, Well, actually they did hear something,

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Speaker 8: Sidney Sumner, investigative reporter. They heard someone moan or cry out,

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Speaker 8: They heard thumping up and down the stairs.

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Speaker 11: Correct.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, at one point the girls even came out of

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Speaker 7: their room to ask them to be quiet. So at

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Speaker 7: this way they didn't realize anything was a miss. They

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Speaker 7: thought their roommates had come home and we're still being

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Speaker 7: rowdy from their plans earlier that night, and we're asking

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Speaker 7: them to stop and to be quiet. They definitely heard

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Speaker 7: some promotion, you know, doctor Kindle Crowns.

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Speaker 8: Those attacking the two survivors are screaming. Well, why didn't

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Speaker 8: you hear the victims screaming? And why didn't you call

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Speaker 8: Nima one earlier, Doctor Kendall Crowns. In our world, the

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Speaker 8: way we live, for instance, if you hear a gunshot,

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Speaker 8: you may go, oh, who's setting off firecrackers? Because it's

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Speaker 8: not in your realm of understanding. You don't have your

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Speaker 8: arms around the fact somebody could be shot down the street,

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Speaker 8: or you might think it's a car backfiring. I've seen

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Speaker 8: many cases many were witnesses hear something but they don't

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Speaker 8: realize a murder is occurring.

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Speaker 11: What could the girls.

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Speaker 16: Have heard, So you're right, it's all kind of context.

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Speaker 16: You have to have an idea of what's going on.

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Speaker 16: You may think that something else is occurring when it's

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Speaker 16: actually a murder. What they could have heard is yelling, screaming,

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Speaker 16: things being knocked over, kind of bumping around. But the

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Speaker 16: same thing could be heard in people that are drunk

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Speaker 16: or having you know, a good time, or jumping around

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Speaker 16: or dancing, you could mistaken that.

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Speaker 11: Philip d.

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Speaker 8: Bay All argument between us aside, you're a veteran defense attorney.

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Speaker 8: How will the defense attack Dylan and Bethany for not

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Speaker 8: hearing for murders when they clearly did hear something but

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Speaker 8: they didn't know what they were hearing.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, that they were on an all night bender, that

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Speaker 15: they had been drinking, that they were likely hungover, that

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Speaker 15: they're perceptions and their ability to recall were compromised by

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Speaker 15: being impaired from the effects of alcohol, and who knows,

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Speaker 15: maybe if they smoked something. I don't know. But the

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Speaker 15: whole idea of being a reliable witness when you take

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Speaker 15: the oath is that your ability to observe, recall and

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Speaker 15: to perceive is not compromised by outside intoxicans or other

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Speaker 15: types of interference. And I think if you can establish that,

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Speaker 15: maybe at a pre trial hearing, a judge can find

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Speaker 15: that they're incompetent to testify as a witness.

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Speaker 8: Doctor Anthony Marshall, these girls have a tough time ahead

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Speaker 8: on cross exam, and I hate what's going to happen,

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Speaker 8: but they've got to take the.

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Speaker 11: Stand, Nancy.

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Speaker 12: They have to take this down. But what I'm concerned

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Speaker 12: about is that they're going to be re traumatized. They

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Speaker 12: have already gone over that night over and over again

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Speaker 12: in their minds, and when we have post traumatic stress disorder,

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Speaker 12: we have something called flashbacks. I hope some psychologists or

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Speaker 12: somebody is there to prepare these young people to be

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Speaker 12: on the stand because they will be cruelly resubjected to

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Speaker 12: the same physiological, arousal, intrusive thoughts and anxiety that they

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Speaker 12: had on the night.

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Speaker 1: Of the murders.

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Speaker 8: I just wish I could take this away from them,

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Speaker 8: but they're going to have to take the stand. We

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Speaker 8: wait as justice unfolds. And now we remember an American hero,

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Speaker 8: senior police officer, Alexander Yazzi, Navajo Division Public Safety Tribal

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Speaker 8: police shot and killed in a line of duty, a

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Speaker 8: US Marine Corps that served fourteen years with Elie. Survived

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Speaker 8: by wife now widow, Kathleen. American hero senior police officer

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Speaker 8: Alexander Yazzi. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,