WEBVTT - Hour 1 - Tomlin On Your Television

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<v Speaker 1>You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Our one on this Wednesday, Dan and the Danet's Dan

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick Show wasn't a shock, but they're still an element

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<v Speaker 2>of surprise with what happened in Pittsburgh. So now we

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<v Speaker 2>have the Cardinals, Falcons, Ravens, Browns, Raiders, Dolphins, Giants, Titans,

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<v Speaker 2>Steelers all looking for head coaches.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll talk to.

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<v Speaker 2>The man who's been covering the Steelers for I think

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<v Speaker 2>three decades, Jerry Dulac from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette. He'll

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<v Speaker 2>join us coming up in about twenty minutes from now,

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<v Speaker 2>And what he reported on yesterday is Mike Tomlin made

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<v Speaker 2>the decision to step down with two years left on

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<v Speaker 2>his contract and a contract that was going to pay

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<v Speaker 2>him twenty five million dollars a year. I guess if

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking at next stop, as we've talked about speculated

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<v Speaker 2>the last two years, it was going to be TV

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<v Speaker 2>as almost a pit stop maybe a year or two

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<v Speaker 2>and then probably get back into code.

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<v Speaker 3>But we'll talk to Jerry. He'll join us coming up.

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<v Speaker 3>Good morning.

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<v Speaker 2>quarterback now working for the Mothership on NFL Countdown. So

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<v Speaker 2>after nineteen years, Mike Tomlin steps down, and if you're

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<v Speaker 2>looking at a pattern here, Chuck Nole defensive minded, Bill

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<v Speaker 2>Coward defensive minded, Mike Tomlin defensive mind. And is that

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<v Speaker 2>next coach going to be defensive minded? Also probably going

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<v Speaker 2>to get somebody who is not established, Probably getting somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who will be in their mid thirties, maybe late thirties.

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<v Speaker 2>That's been the pattern for the Steelers over the last

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<v Speaker 2>sixty years.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Seven seven three DP show operator Tyler sitting by, He'll

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<v Speaker 2>take your phone calls today. Seaton poll question for the

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<v Speaker 2>first hour is what.

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<v Speaker 4>Well do you want to start with Mike Tomlin or

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<v Speaker 4>with Mike Tomlin's replacements.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's do Mike Tomlin Mike Tomlin? Is it fair to say?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 4>Or how do I word this correctly? If Mike Tomlin

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<v Speaker 4>stepped down or was stepped down?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Jerry Dulac, who's covering the team, said, according to

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<v Speaker 2>his sources, Mike Tomlin made the decision that he was

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<v Speaker 2>going to step down.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Paul was.

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<v Speaker 5>A Mike Tollin decision to step down completely voluntary would

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<v Speaker 5>be my question, completely voluntary?

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<v Speaker 3>Does it matter?

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<v Speaker 6>No?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think it.

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<v Speaker 5>Does a little bit if you compare to what happened

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<v Speaker 5>to Harball.

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<v Speaker 3>We no, Harball got fired, right, but I was.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm curious that the Pittsburgh ownership suggested this course of action.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a fair question. Harball wanted to stay.

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Dungee told us that when he talked to the

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<v Speaker 2>front office ownership, it felt like if Mike wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>continue to coach, and he had two years left on

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<v Speaker 2>his contract, then he was going to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>coach but do I think it's a mutual I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I never believe in a mutual parting where you walk

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<v Speaker 2>in and you both say at the same time, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that we should break up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. What I kind of want to have happened.

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<v Speaker 4>If I had sort of like some type of magical

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<v Speaker 4>wish that could make something happen, I would have Lincoln

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<v Speaker 4>Riley leave USC and Mike Tomlin take the USC job,

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<v Speaker 4>just so five years later we could have that story

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<v Speaker 4>be true.

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<v Speaker 3>They'd be like, yeah, see, nobody believe me, but see

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<v Speaker 3>what happened.

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<v Speaker 4>I told you Mike Tomlins taking the USC job.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, and you wonder why Mike Tomlin has never

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<v Speaker 2>been on this show.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That was one of those where USC had a list

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<v Speaker 2>and I had a source who said, all right, I've

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<v Speaker 2>looked at the wish list of who we're going to hire.

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<v Speaker 3>Who would we be interested in. They want to hide. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they like it's a wish list. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And Mike Tomlin was on the wish list, that's all.

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<v Speaker 2>He wasn't interested, never heard anything. So when I said that, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I have somebody who's seen this wish list and said,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Tomlin is on the wish list.

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<v Speaker 3>Is this a joke?

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<v Speaker 2>And then all of a sudden somebody says, yeah, Dan

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick said that you know you're interested in the USC job,

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<v Speaker 2>which is not how I phrased it. I said they

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<v Speaker 2>are interested in Mike.

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<v Speaker 4>Wait, you mean a reporter framed a question to a

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<v Speaker 4>coach to get a reaction of a press conference.

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<v Speaker 3>Get at. I know they're supposed to be journalists in there.

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<v Speaker 3>They're professional.

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<v Speaker 7>They don't do that.

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<v Speaker 3>No, they don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh So, Mike tom Lincoln Riley to the Steelers, But

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<v Speaker 2>Lincoln Riley could go wherever he wants.

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<v Speaker 4>I just want Mike Tomlin to take the USC job

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<v Speaker 4>just so we can have some fun with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm taking receipt Are you taking receipts or dropping receipt?

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<v Speaker 3>Receipt keeping receipt? You keep them keeping receipt? Yes?

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<v Speaker 8>To you think Tomlin possibly had a mindset when I'm

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<v Speaker 8>about to meet the front office and the owners. If

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<v Speaker 8>I don't immediately feel the love and the confidence and

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<v Speaker 8>the encouragement that they want me back, anything less than that,

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<v Speaker 8>I'm just going to step down.

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<v Speaker 3>I need to hear that right away.

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<v Speaker 8>And maybe he was thinking about going.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how they phrased it. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how you know they did. They pose a question, Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you want to do? Or do you say, Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>we want you back. What do you want to do?

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about this yesterday, but I think Mike Tomlin

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<v Speaker 2>probably felt after nineteen years, I need to take a

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<v Speaker 2>big deep breath here. I need's fifty three. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not saying that this is one of those midlife crisis

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<v Speaker 2>as much as it is. Okay, I've accomplished this. I've

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<v Speaker 2>accomplished a lot. I have total respect around the league.

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<v Speaker 2>Networks are going to want to hire me. You get

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<v Speaker 2>together with your wife and you say, what do we

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<v Speaker 2>want to do? And maybe you want to take that

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<v Speaker 2>deep breath and just say, you know what, Maybe I

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<v Speaker 2>do TV. And I don't know how good he would

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<v Speaker 2>be on TV. I've always found that he's interesting to

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<v Speaker 2>look at with his expressions. I don't know how demonstrative

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to be with his words. Like when you

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<v Speaker 2>see him on the sidelines, you're like, he looks interesting

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<v Speaker 2>and it can be fun in press conferences a little prickly,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know. You put him in studio, you

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<v Speaker 2>put him doing a game, like I think of you

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<v Speaker 2>would hire Mike Tomlin. I would want him in studio.

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<v Speaker 2>I would want to see him and you could control

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<v Speaker 2>what he's going to be talking about, as opposed to

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<v Speaker 2>in a game. You know, just because you know the game,

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<v Speaker 2>you coach the game, you've won a super Bowl, you've

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<v Speaker 2>been in the playoffs. That doesn't mean you can do

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<v Speaker 2>a broadcast. But if I put you in a studio,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is what I would do if I'm INBC,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say to Mike Tomlin, we want to hire

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<v Speaker 2>you through the postseason, and we have the Super Bowl,

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<v Speaker 2>So now I get kind of a head start. Now

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<v Speaker 2>do I think CBS is going to reach out because

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Ryan is now working with the Falcons, And I

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<v Speaker 2>brought that up to Bill Cower yesterday. Hey, I'd bring

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<v Speaker 2>in Mike Tomlin this weekend. If I'm CBS, put him

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<v Speaker 2>in there with Cower. You know, then you get to

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<v Speaker 2>ask him the questions about this. Then you get to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to him about you know, the game's coming up,

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<v Speaker 2>so you have him do his first interview with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Jay Glazer is a great relationship with Mike. I could

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<v Speaker 2>see that they haven't replaced Jimmy Johnson. I could see

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<v Speaker 2>where you bring in Mike Tomlin, but I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if he's part of the hijinks that you have at

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<v Speaker 2>the Fox pregame show, like wacky you know, goofy stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>Where's CBS you know a little bit more, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>uniformity with that, and you're there with Bill Kauer. That

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<v Speaker 2>could be fun as well. But he'll have options. But

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm NBC, I bring him in and I say

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<v Speaker 2>we would like to have you through the super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 3>See what he says? All right? So the yes, Ton?

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<v Speaker 3>Is there a standard of coach owners meeting?

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<v Speaker 8>I know, like the players, you know they pack up

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<v Speaker 8>their stuff and you meet with the press and all that.

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<v Speaker 8>I was just wondering who initiated the conversation, how much

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<v Speaker 8>that matter? Did Mike Tomlin say, hey, do you got

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<v Speaker 8>a minute to the ownership group? Or did they say, Mike,

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<v Speaker 8>come on and let's talk about some stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you always have an exit interview every team, every

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<v Speaker 2>coach has.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm just I'd be fascinated to know just how that started.

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<v Speaker 8>And you know, not that it'll be aggressive, but who

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<v Speaker 8>initiated the what are we doing next year? What's our plan?

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<v Speaker 4>Are we here?

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<v Speaker 8>We're not here together.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, no, you have an exit interview. Season's over.

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<v Speaker 2>You get together, you talk about what short term, long

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<v Speaker 2>term plans are. This took on probably a different tone

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<v Speaker 2>where you're walking in and you're saying, all right, what

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<v Speaker 2>are we doing? We want you back? What are you thinking?

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<v Speaker 2>Two years left on your contract? What are you thinking?

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<v Speaker 2>That's probably you know how this was sort of the

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<v Speaker 2>table was set for this meeting. I can't imagine they'll go, hey, Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>come on in, let's talk man. So what do you

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<v Speaker 2>want to do at quarterback next year?

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<v Speaker 3>Now? What do you think? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>I think this was let's start big picture, keep a

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<v Speaker 2>big picture. If he decides he's going to stay, well

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<v Speaker 2>now we can have some questions about the roster. And

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't think I thought at the beginning of the year,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that this would be the last year for Tomlin,

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<v Speaker 2>the last year for Aaron Rodgers. And it looks like

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron Rodgers will be done in Pittsburgh as well. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if there's any other opportunity for him. Somebody

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<v Speaker 2>suggested to me yesterday, well what if Minnesota brought him in?

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<v Speaker 2>And I thought, okay, maybe this past year. But now

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, he's forty three, and he's looking

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<v Speaker 2>every bit forty three. You still have a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>good receivers on that team. But and I think they

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<v Speaker 2>want to open up the competition with AJ McCarthy. But

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to one and done, or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like Pittsburgh, all right, it was one year, you rolled

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<v Speaker 2>the dice, you got to the playoffs, and that's it.

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<v Speaker 3>It didn't work out. But I don't know if I see.

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<v Speaker 2>A team like you can't have a team go hey,

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<v Speaker 2>let's bring him in and maybe people like the Cleveland Browns. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe somebody will show up to watch Aaron Rodgers play quarterback.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see that. I don't think that there's this

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<v Speaker 2>victory tour for him. I don't think he's interested in that.

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<v Speaker 2>But with Mike Tomlin, and you're gonna get compensation if

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<v Speaker 2>Mike coaches the next two years. That's why I think

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<v Speaker 2>he if he takes that TV job, he might take

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<v Speaker 2>it for two years.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you still have to compensate the

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<v Speaker 2>Steelers after those two years, because he does have two

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<v Speaker 2>years left on his contract. I don't know if that

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<v Speaker 2>continues in perpetuity if he takes another head coaching job. Yes, Marvin, do.

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<v Speaker 9>You see him pulling a Bill Kauer or coach Kauer

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<v Speaker 9>where you never coach again? Because I coach the Steelers.

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<v Speaker 9>What can get better than this?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there was sensitivity involved with Bill Kauer with his wife.

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<v Speaker 2>She was sick and he needed to spend more time

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<v Speaker 2>three daughters. And so I think that that's the reason

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<v Speaker 2>why Bill was not coming back to coaching. And also,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, these guys get into TV and they realize

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<v Speaker 2>it's not bad. You know, it's not the wear and tear,

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<v Speaker 2>the hours, wins, losses, all of that. Well, you wake

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<v Speaker 2>up Monday, You're good. You didn't lose. You might have

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<v Speaker 2>won a little bit with you know, your performance on TV,

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<v Speaker 2>but it rarely lose. And get to go have meals,

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<v Speaker 2>get to wear nice clothes, you get to have people

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<v Speaker 2>you know put makeup on you. It's not bad, not

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<v Speaker 2>bad at all. So I think Mike, he strikes me

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<v Speaker 2>as he's a coach and would still want to coach.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think, I mean, look at the NFL. Look

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<v Speaker 2>at all the openings here, and I thought there would

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<v Speaker 2>be six, maybe seven openings. I don't even I was

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<v Speaker 2>told yesterday by a source. You know, don't rule out

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<v Speaker 2>somebody else's team in the playoffs changing coaches. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>thinking how much more? How many candidates are out there,

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<v Speaker 2>but you got John Harball at the top of the list.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if Mike Tomlin would be on that list.

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<v Speaker 2>But if I'm a team all of these teams, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>be reaching out to Mike Tomlin. What I would want

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<v Speaker 2>is an interview with Mike Tomlin, so Tomlin could tell

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<v Speaker 2>me about my team. If I'm Arizona, I go, Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>We'll turn this over to you. We'll give you twenty

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars. You can do whatever you want, total autonomy,

0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:28.960
<v Speaker 2>and see if he's interested. He's probably not, Yeah, PAULI

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of things on Tomlin. Since the Steelers did

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<v Speaker 2>not fire him, they retained the rights to him throughout

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty twenty seventh season, so any team that hires

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<v Speaker 2>him this coaching cycle or next year's coaching cycle would

0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:43.000
<v Speaker 2>owe some type of compensation to that to the Steelers. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>the Steelers posted this thirty five minutes ago. Steelers President

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<v Speaker 2>Art Runey the Second will speak to the media today

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<v Speaker 2>at twelve Eastern and then yesterday posted thank you coach

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<v Speaker 2>Tomlin for the hard work, dedication success you brought the

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<v Speaker 2>Steelers for over nineteen years.

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<v Speaker 5>A couple things.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll talk to Jerry Doulac, who covers the Steelers

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<v Speaker 2>and get his thoughts on how this all came about.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, it felt like one of the worst

0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:16.760
<v Speaker 2>kept secrets because people kept saying, man, Tom, I could see.

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<v Speaker 3>Him doing TV boy, he'd be good at TV.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>You're fifty three, You're in the middle of a playoff chase,

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<v Speaker 2>you get into the playoffs, you lose in the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 2>Now all of a sudden, you step down. So there

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<v Speaker 2>was something there and it had been there for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you win that game, does he still eventually

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<v Speaker 2>step down? Was this a foregone conclusion? Maybe in his

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<v Speaker 2>mind and maybe the Steelers. We'll find out next. This

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<v Speaker 2>Pittsburgh Post Gazette and he joins us, Now, how did

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<v Speaker 2>we get here?

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<v Speaker 3>Jerry?

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<v Speaker 10>You know, Dan, it's it's been evolving, of course, and

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<v Speaker 10>I think the final straw was just another one and

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<v Speaker 10>done in the postseason. That's nine times in Mike Thomlins career.

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<v Speaker 10>That ties Marty Schottenheimer, who's long remembered for all the

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<v Speaker 10>one and done, you know, with that dubious record, and

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<v Speaker 10>you know, five times in the playoffs the last six years.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, obviously, you know, people he around here think

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<v Speaker 10>the sky is falling because they haven't won a playoff game,

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<v Speaker 10>and to them, I understand why, but it's just it's

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<v Speaker 10>kind of the same, the same scene every year, get

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<v Speaker 10>into postseason and then not only get eliminated, but you know,

0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:38.080
<v Speaker 10>they're really I know, the Texans scored two touchdowns in

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<v Speaker 10>the last four minutes, but the games are never really competitive.

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<v Speaker 10>And you know, I know, you know, Dan, people always

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<v Speaker 10>say you don't make change for the sake of change,

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<v Speaker 10>and the Steelers didn't make this change. Mike Tomlin decided

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<v Speaker 10>to step down, but it was time to make a

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<v Speaker 10>change just for the sake of change. You couldn't continue

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<v Speaker 10>if your ownership. I don't know how you have just

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<v Speaker 10>sat there and watched the same old thing happen again.

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<v Speaker 10>And you know, Mike Tomlin made the decision for them.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think it was completely his decision? Here?

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<v Speaker 10>I'm still trying to get to the bottom of that, Dan,

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<v Speaker 10>because I don't always think that's the case. But I

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<v Speaker 10>will say this, I have been told from the top

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<v Speaker 10>that the Steelers retain his rights, and that would mean

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<v Speaker 10>that he stepped down, that they didn't fire him, you know,

0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:31.280
<v Speaker 10>that would be a different, different scenario. So I'm going

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<v Speaker 10>to go on that with the with the idea that

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<v Speaker 10>he did step down, and from everybody I heard, including

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<v Speaker 10>some of the players, that seems to be the case.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 10>I don't think they told him, look, we'll let you

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<v Speaker 10>what you know, we want you out, but we'll let

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<v Speaker 10>you step down. I don't think that's the case. But

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<v Speaker 10>I'm still still open to the buzz of Delly.

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<v Speaker 3>So what's next for Tomin? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 10>You know, Dan, everybody wants to think that, you know,

0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:02.080
<v Speaker 10>he's going He's perfect for TV and that's where he's

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<v Speaker 10>going to go. Look, you know, he and I don't

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<v Speaker 10>sit down and have those discussions.

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<v Speaker 1>But.

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<v Speaker 10>I've never gotten the indication that that's something on his radar,

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<v Speaker 10>and I don't know if he wants to continue coaching.

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<v Speaker 10>That's what I'm gonna, you know, obviously find out here

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<v Speaker 10>in the next couple of days. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 10>his plans are because I haven't had a chance to

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<v Speaker 10>talk to him, but I you know, Mike, Mike Tommins

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<v Speaker 10>a football junkie, and I would almost I would expect

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<v Speaker 10>him to you know want to go coach again, but

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<v Speaker 10>I guess we're going to find out. Nineteen years in

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<v Speaker 10>one place, let's face it, a long time. And I

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<v Speaker 10>never got any sense that he was burned out. I

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<v Speaker 10>never thought that at all. And I just I think

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<v Speaker 10>he looked at kind of the landscape and the environment

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<v Speaker 10>of what was going on here, and you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 10>not going to sit here and say he stepped down

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<v Speaker 10>for the better good of the franchise or maybe the

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<v Speaker 10>better good of his reputation. I don't know, but I

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<v Speaker 10>think he could feel and sense and see what was

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<v Speaker 10>going on, you know, from the fan base to everything else,

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<v Speaker 10>and just probably thought, you know, what, time to step away.

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<v Speaker 3>What's next for the Steelers.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, you know, obviously their history of hiring head coaches

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<v Speaker 10>has been pretty good, and they haven't had to do

0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:23.040
<v Speaker 10>it in a while nineteen years. When you look at

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<v Speaker 10>the last three hires, all young, defensive minded coaches, I

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<v Speaker 10>would expect the same to happen. Despite what the way

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<v Speaker 10>we see the NFL being played these days, I would

0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:37.879
<v Speaker 10>imagine they'll follow the same template. I think they'll move quickly.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm not going to do it by the end of

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<v Speaker 10>the week, but I would imagine that's the direction they

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<v Speaker 10>are going to go. And I will tell you you know,

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<v Speaker 10>when Bill Kawer stepped down after the sixth season, the

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<v Speaker 10>Steelers retained a number of his assistants from the staff,

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<v Speaker 10>including Bruce arians, Dick LeBeau, Keith Butler.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if.

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<v Speaker 10>That's going to be the case, but it's one the

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<v Speaker 10>rooneys do, you know. They don't They don't let a

0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:05.239
<v Speaker 10>coach come in and start picking his entire staff and

0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:07.960
<v Speaker 10>his training staff and a medical staff and the secretary's

0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:10.800
<v Speaker 10>and a pr staff to Steelers say hey, this is

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<v Speaker 10>what you got, and you work around that. And so

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<v Speaker 10>we'll see how it plays out. I would expect a

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<v Speaker 10>lot of that, you know, to still be the same.

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<v Speaker 3>Aaron Rodgers' future, I think.

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<v Speaker 10>I think if Mike Tomlin stayed, I think they would

0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:30.160
<v Speaker 10>have welcomed him back to a degree. But I will

0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:33.159
<v Speaker 10>say this Dan, whether he was coming back or not,

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<v Speaker 10>it wasn't going to change what they want to do

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<v Speaker 10>intend to do in the draft, And I'm not saying

0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:41.800
<v Speaker 10>they will do it because we'll see how it plays out,

0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:44.439
<v Speaker 10>but their intention is to find a quarterback that they

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<v Speaker 10>can build on for the next ten twelve fifteen years hopefully,

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<v Speaker 10>And so whether Aaron Rodgers comes back or not, that

0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:51.880
<v Speaker 10>plan doesn't change.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that it falls on Mike Tomlin.

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<v Speaker 2>But did front office help build a team that could

0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:00.560
<v Speaker 2>challenge first Super Bowl?

0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:04.760
<v Speaker 3>I don't think there's any question that.

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<v Speaker 10>You know, the general manager, Omar Khan, was very aggressive

0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:10.920
<v Speaker 10>the last two years, even the last three, but especially

0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:14.399
<v Speaker 10>the last two in trying to get the pieces to,

0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:18.439
<v Speaker 10>you know, to make a potential run. But you know,

0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:21.000
<v Speaker 10>the first step was winning a playoff game and that

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<v Speaker 10>didn't happen, and so they also brought in a number

0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:29.400
<v Speaker 10>of thirty plus veterans and that that didn't work. Then

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<v Speaker 10>I don't know that you stick with the with the

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<v Speaker 10>same personnel and you start to make some changes again,

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<v Speaker 10>and at some point, you know, the Steelers then never

0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:40.280
<v Speaker 10>use the word rebuild. And I'm not saying they're going

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<v Speaker 10>to do that, but you know, they've done it kind

0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:45.960
<v Speaker 10>of piecemeal, and I got a sense this one might

0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:48.240
<v Speaker 10>be a little bit of a bigger overhaul.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because they're not bad enough to get better by

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<v Speaker 2>having that high draft pick, Like you're you're kind of

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<v Speaker 2>in the twenties, and that could be no man's land

0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:00.919
<v Speaker 2>if you're you know, A nine and eight, ten and seventeen.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, when you think of where they've had to draft. Now,

0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:05.919
<v Speaker 10>they've traded up a couple of times to get up

0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:08.679
<v Speaker 10>to sixteen to get an offensive lineman. But when you

0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:11.240
<v Speaker 10>think about where they have had to draft and the

0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:14.720
<v Speaker 10>consistent success five times in the postseason in the last

0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:19.320
<v Speaker 10>six years, you know, they haven't been able to hit

0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:22.480
<v Speaker 10>that home run with a number one pick, And to me,

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<v Speaker 10>that's what makes every draft. I think their drafts have

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<v Speaker 10>been solid, but they haven't had that Pro Bowl, elite.

0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:29.800
<v Speaker 3>Type of player.

0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:32.160
<v Speaker 10>And you know you have to go back to TJ.

0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:34.040
<v Speaker 3>Watt to find that guy.

0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:36.880
<v Speaker 10>And I think that's where they need and they know it.

0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:39.680
<v Speaker 10>They know those first five picks, first eight picks or

0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:42.960
<v Speaker 10>where you first five, especially where you find those elite players.

0:22:43.160 --> 0:22:45.239
<v Speaker 10>First eight to ten is where you find maybe the

0:22:45.240 --> 0:22:47.639
<v Speaker 10>Pro Bowl players and then you keep your fingers crossed

0:22:47.640 --> 0:22:52.000
<v Speaker 10>it maybe you land somebody. But they haven't had that

0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:54.359
<v Speaker 10>guy and that's what they need and they know it.

0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:56.120
<v Speaker 10>That's what they need to go and try and.

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<v Speaker 2>Do anybody untouchable on the roster in your opinion, No.

0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:05.760
<v Speaker 10>No, you know, I don't think I you know, DK

0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:09.560
<v Speaker 10>metcalf is, I don't think despite that suspension what some

0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:13.199
<v Speaker 10>people want to think, he's coming back. Cam Hayward's going

0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:16.680
<v Speaker 10>to be thirty seven. But you know, I will tell you, Dan,

0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:21.560
<v Speaker 10>I don't think anybody is untouchable. They're right tackle Troy Fontano,

0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:24.440
<v Speaker 10>maybe some of our offensive linemen, but otherwise any of

0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:25.119
<v Speaker 10>the other guys.

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<v Speaker 3>No, thanks again, I know you're busy. We appreciate it, Dan.

0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:31.080
<v Speaker 10>Well, always enjoy being with you.

0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Jerry Doolat covers the Steelers for the Pittsburgh Post Gazette,

0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:39.879
<v Speaker 2>also part of the Steelers Radio network. If Mike Tomlin

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<v Speaker 2>does not take a job in the next two years,

0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:44.560
<v Speaker 2>there's no compensation for the Steelers. He would be a

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<v Speaker 2>free agent. And you know, keep in mind the Sean

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<v Speaker 2>Payton situation when he left the Saints and he ended

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<v Speaker 2>up with the Broncos. The Broncos had to give up

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<v Speaker 2>two picks for Sean Payton. Bruce Arians, Herm Edwards, John Ruden,

0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:02.040
<v Speaker 2>Bill Belichick, Mike Holme, and Bill Parcells. Those are these

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<v Speaker 2>seven head coaches traded in NFL history.

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<v Speaker 3>David in Ohio, Hi, David.

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<v Speaker 11>Hey, David, Dan speaking, Hey, Hey, Dan speaking of Todd

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<v Speaker 11>might like this one.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaking of Steelers.

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<v Speaker 6>Head coaches, I guess you could say that the Steelers

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<v Speaker 6>chuck a knowle from Mike Tomlins.

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<v Speaker 12>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't approve of that, Todd.

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<v Speaker 8>I can't. I want to because he gave me a

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<v Speaker 8>little shout and he was trying to do the headline thing.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think he can do better.

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<v Speaker 2>Where is Pittsburgh, Dave David Arkansas joints this.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm right here, Dan. I'm the newest member, I gotta

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<v Speaker 11>say for a newest member of.

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<v Speaker 12>The d DC.

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<v Speaker 11>Oh and almost the newest member of the one I see.

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<v Speaker 11>I got hit in the face of the golf ball

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<v Speaker 11>and nearly took out on a left eye.

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<v Speaker 2>So you were going to join PAULI on the one

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<v Speaker 2>good eye club.

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<v Speaker 11>Great to have you almost happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh but and condolences with the dead dad club there,

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, welcome to the club.

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<v Speaker 10>Yes.

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<v Speaker 11>Now, as for Tom and his concerned I just think

0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:19.360
<v Speaker 11>the time was right. I do believe this was totally

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<v Speaker 11>his decision. There was no forcing of anything from the

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<v Speaker 11>front office.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 11>So you know it's and I look at it as

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<v Speaker 11>the next coach might be the last coach. I watch

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<v Speaker 11>you know the way they go with coaches. My last

0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:40.800
<v Speaker 11>coach that I watch, I wouldn't mind. I mean a

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<v Speaker 11>lot of talk has been Brian Flores. You know, do

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<v Speaker 11>you make the call to Marcus Freeman? I could see that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I make the call. Absolutely. I make the call

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<v Speaker 2>with Marcus Freeman. I mean, you're the Steelers, you know,

0:25:55.480 --> 0:25:58.600
<v Speaker 2>you're one of the blue bloods there. But thank you, Dave,

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<v Speaker 2>and once again, welcome to the Dead Dad's Club. Curtis

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<v Speaker 2>in Illinois, Hi, Curtis, what's on your mind?

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<v Speaker 1>Morning?

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<v Speaker 12>DP?

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<v Speaker 3>Just calling it today.

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<v Speaker 13>Everybody's going nuts over who's going to hire John Harbaugh?

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<v Speaker 13>And then this if Tomlin decides he wants to coach again,

0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:20.159
<v Speaker 13>there'd be probably just as long as a list. But

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<v Speaker 13>if you look back at NFL history, there's never been

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<v Speaker 13>a coach that has won Super Bowls with multiple teams.

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<v Speaker 13>So if you're hiring for a new coach, don't you

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<v Speaker 13>just want that younger, hungry coach that has something to gain.

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<v Speaker 3>Out of it?

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<v Speaker 2>I would, because this is what everybody has been saying. Man,

0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 2>you could bring in John Harbaugh, you could bring in

0:26:42.880 --> 0:26:46.800
<v Speaker 2>Mike Tomlin. Well, if they couldn't get their team over

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<v Speaker 2>the hump. What makes you think they can get your

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<v Speaker 2>team over the hump?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think if you're following the Steelers' history and

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<v Speaker 4>track record, it's probably somebody more like Jesse Minter that

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<v Speaker 4>makes the most sense defensive coordination With the Chargers, he's

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<v Speaker 4>the defensive coordinator. They like to hire defensive minded head coaches.

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<v Speaker 4>And if right now the one thing you can build

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<v Speaker 4>around is TJ. Watt, bring in a guy who's in

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<v Speaker 4>his early forties that sort of follows a lot of

0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:17.760
<v Speaker 4>the same things that the Steelers as an organization really likes.

0:27:17.760 --> 0:27:19.840
<v Speaker 4>And Jerry Duleak was just saying, you don't come in

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<v Speaker 4>and bring in all of your people, you come in

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<v Speaker 4>and assimilate into what is already existing. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 4>I think that he probably makes a lot of sense. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>Jesse Mentor, I think is forty one. Brian Flores probably

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<v Speaker 4>is going to get a head coaching job, might be

0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:39.840
<v Speaker 4>with the Raiders, maybe it's Pittsburgh. But back to what

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<v Speaker 4>I was talking about, where you got John Harbaugh and

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<v Speaker 4>Kevin Stefanski and Mike Tomlin. Those are all marquee names,

0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:50.600
<v Speaker 4>proven coaches, but there's a reason why they're not coaching

0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:53.560
<v Speaker 4>their respective teams, they couldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Get them over the hump. Now it's different for Kevin Stefanski.

0:27:57.320 --> 0:27:59.520
<v Speaker 2>He did not have the talent there that these other

0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:04.960
<v Speaker 2>two co John Harball had a future Hall of Fame quarterback.

0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:08.800
<v Speaker 2>Mike Tomlin didn't have that for the latter part of

0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:15.040
<v Speaker 2>his career. They were looking, they're still looking Lamar jack

0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:18.879
<v Speaker 2>The Ravens chose Lamar Jackson over John Harbaught feels like

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:22.239
<v Speaker 2>like whoever's coaching is coming in and they're gonna have

0:28:22.280 --> 0:28:25.120
<v Speaker 2>to put Lamar Jackson in a better position to win.

0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:30.200
<v Speaker 2>But that doesn't mean if you're Atlanta or Arizona, the Giants,

0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:34.400
<v Speaker 2>all of these openings, you'd be going, hey, that's an upgrade.

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:39.000
<v Speaker 2>That guy can help us be better. Because if I said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to have you hire a guy who's going

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<v Speaker 2>to have you in the playoffs for the next ten years,

0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:47.000
<v Speaker 2>you gotta have winning record the next ten years, but

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to roll the dice and chances are you

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<v Speaker 2>won't win a playoff game. If you're Atlanta, would you

0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:57.080
<v Speaker 2>sign up for that? If you're the Giants, would you

0:28:57.080 --> 0:28:59.360
<v Speaker 2>sign up for that? The Browns would you sign up

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<v Speaker 2>for that? Arizona would you Tennessee, Like, there's certain teams

0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:08.960
<v Speaker 2>that their expectator. You know, the Steelers, it's about winning championships.

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:12.440
<v Speaker 2>The Patriots, you win championships. Even the Cowboys, who haven't

0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:17.080
<v Speaker 2>done anything in thirty years, it's still winning championships. Arizona,

0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:21.480
<v Speaker 2>it's just let's be relevant, let's be competitive. The Giants

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:24.160
<v Speaker 2>one of the blue bloods. They have not been good,

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:29.959
<v Speaker 2>not consistent. Atlanta, they've been a mess. So there's certain

0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:35.200
<v Speaker 2>teams Tennessee would take that. Hey, ten years winning record,

0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:37.920
<v Speaker 2>playoffs every single year, but you're not winning a playoff

0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 2>game in Pittsburgh. That doesn't fly. In Baltimore, that doesn't fly. Yes, Marv.

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<v Speaker 9>So if you're the Falcons of the Titans, would you say, hey,

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:52.400
<v Speaker 9>let's have a Tom Coffin like career where you only

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<v Speaker 9>make the playoffs twice in ten.

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<v Speaker 3>Years, but you win Super Bowls? Would you sign up

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<v Speaker 3>for that? Yes, everybody would.

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<v Speaker 2>The Steelers would sign up for that, Baltimore would sign

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<v Speaker 2>up for that. It's sort of like the Florida Marlins,

0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:09.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, like every five to six years, it'd be like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be damn they won another World Series.

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, Mark, So the year before you win the Super Bowl,

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:15.680
<v Speaker 9>you're on the hot seat. He might get fired, but

0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:17.480
<v Speaker 9>let's win a super Bowl instead.

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<v Speaker 2>Nick Siriani and they fire their offensive coordinator. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>bad for Jalen Hurts. He's had a new offensive coordinator

0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:29.120
<v Speaker 2>every single year, and he's going to have another one

0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 2>next year. And I believe if you look at his

0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:36.200
<v Speaker 2>offensive coordinators at Alabama, he had a new one every

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:44.160
<v Speaker 2>single year. Greatness starts with stability. Who is my coach?

0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Who is my offensive coordinator? Jalen Hurts has not had that.

0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:54.400
<v Speaker 2>And maybe we'll see that we haven't seen the best

0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:57.480
<v Speaker 2>of Jalen Hurts because maybe there will be consistency there.

0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 2>But they offensive coordinators, it's it is difficult to play

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<v Speaker 2>the position to begin with. Then all of a sudden,

0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:09.800
<v Speaker 2>you got somebody else's coming in now, new terminology, maybe

0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:14.080
<v Speaker 2>a new mindset. Maybe AJ Brown's not there, Saquon Barkley

0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 2>a year older. Like you know, you got to start

0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:18.840
<v Speaker 2>factoring these things in. And when we talk about the window,

0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:22.120
<v Speaker 2>didn't it feel like that Eagles window is wide open,

0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:25.000
<v Speaker 2>ready for a couple of Super Bowls, winning a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of Super Bowls.

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<v Speaker 3>They got to two with this group.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you wonder It's like the Lions because everybody you know,

0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:37.080
<v Speaker 2>we have that same approach. Eh, they'll be back. There's

0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:42.680
<v Speaker 2>no guarantees, no guarantees. Look at Kansas City, man, you

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 2>got Mahomes, you got Kelsey, Andy Reid, until you're not

0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:49.400
<v Speaker 2>going to have Mahomes for a little while and you

0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:52.560
<v Speaker 2>may not have Kelsey. Now, all of a sudden, Kansas

0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:54.960
<v Speaker 2>City third best team in their division.

0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:58.160
<v Speaker 3>That's how quickly it happens.

0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:02.520
<v Speaker 2>Baltimore's had a two time probably should have been a

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<v Speaker 2>three time MVP at quarterback and have nothing to show

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<v Speaker 2>for it.

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<v Speaker 10>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I can put blame on him, but it just seems

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<v Speaker 2>like that game plan always changed when they got.

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<v Speaker 3>To the postseason.

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<v Speaker 2>So as much as we like to say, hey that

0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:20.280
<v Speaker 2>window is still open, it might be, but that's where

0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:22.720
<v Speaker 2>it's open. But you put your fingers there and that

0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:24.880
<v Speaker 2>window comes down on them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Marv.

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<v Speaker 9>And the way the NFL is built, there's a new

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:29.600
<v Speaker 9>team every single year that comes out of nowhere and

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<v Speaker 9>becomes a contender.

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<v Speaker 3>All out Houston Texans.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's usually three or four teams. I think we

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<v Speaker 2>had all the divisional winners, weren't they They've had a

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<v Speaker 2>new divisional winner and I think that's what you have

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<v Speaker 2>to factor in. There is hope for your team, but

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<v Speaker 2>also if you're a team that is already good, there's

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<v Speaker 2>no guarantee that you stay there.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll take a break.

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<v Speaker 2>More phone calls coming up eight seven to seven to

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<v Speaker 2>three DP show. We'll talk to the former quarterback Alex

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<v Speaker 2>Smith of the ESPN's NFL Countdown. He'll join us next hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Back after this with our Play of the Day. Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my God, the play of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the play of the day.

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<v Speaker 10>Check this out.

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<v Speaker 14>One more here for the junior from dear hotlack Hill

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<v Speaker 14>and that one rims out go first with a chance

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<v Speaker 14>the three on the way, it goes Tyson. Now Blackwell

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<v Speaker 14>for the wind.

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<v Speaker 2>John Blackwell hits a buzzer beater Wisconsin. Uh, they defeat

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<v Speaker 2>Minnesota on the road. That's courtesy of the Big Ten Network.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna start watching some college basketball here soon, getting

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<v Speaker 2>ready for March Madness. Play the Day, Play the Day,

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<v Speaker 2>brought to you, Bob. The great folks said, Dude wipes

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<v Speaker 2>because it's life changing, the extra large flushable Dude Wipes

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<v Speaker 2>because weder is better available at Amazon and major retailers nationwide.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude Wipe's best clean pants down mentioned the movie another Battle,

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<v Speaker 2>One battle after another seat and is that the name

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<v Speaker 2>of it?

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<v Speaker 9>Is that?

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<v Speaker 12>It?

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<v Speaker 9>Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>I finally got through it. It took me. Oh you finished three? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>So I watched fifteen minutes, then I think I watched

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen minutes, and then I finished it yesterday.

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<v Speaker 3>So a three three seater, Yes we'll call that, yes, okay, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Seawan Penn won the Academy Award. If you watch that movie,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how you don't come away going that

0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:57.400
<v Speaker 2>is an incredible performance. And I know, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how many people who highlight Sean Penn's movie career. He

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:07.600
<v Speaker 2>was great as Spacoli, but this movie he is great.

0:35:08.239 --> 0:35:11.719
<v Speaker 2>He's great, but so is beneath Theo del Toro and

0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:16.040
<v Speaker 2>the cast is great. And then there is a younger

0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:21.879
<v Speaker 2>woman who plays Leonardo DiCaprio's daughter, and she has an

0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:26.720
<v Speaker 2>interesting name. Have you do you know what that is seeing?

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't. I haven't looked it up.

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<v Speaker 7>I will alanahim No, No, Chase Infinity, Chase Infinity, and uh,

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<v Speaker 7>she is spectacular, steals the movie at the end, steals it.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's an interesting movie. I didn't follow the storyline

0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:48.319
<v Speaker 2>that well. I was trying to. But maybe when you

0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:51.160
<v Speaker 2>watch it in three different increments that happens and we got.

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<v Speaker 4>To pick it up over and over again, it makes

0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:54.520
<v Speaker 4>a little trickier to get the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I need a refresher there, you know, somebody to say, hey,

0:35:57.239 --> 0:35:59.000
<v Speaker 2>by the way, this is what's happening here.

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<v Speaker 4>Doesn't that really speak to the quality of Sean Penn's

0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:04.799
<v Speaker 4>performance though, that over three different sittings you still thought

0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:05.239
<v Speaker 4>he was great.

0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:09.479
<v Speaker 2>Sean Penn was great, Yeah he was, he was He's incredible. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I would. I would recommend the movie, but it's

0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:17.160
<v Speaker 2>you gotta stay focused with it so good. I really

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<v Speaker 2>liked it, all right. Update the poll results if you

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<v Speaker 2>can Seaton. By the way, the Steelers in their last

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<v Speaker 2>seven playoff losses, they the average score is thirty seven

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<v Speaker 2>to twenty two. So then you have an average offense

0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:36.279
<v Speaker 2>and you have an overrated defense is what that tells me.

0:36:36.440 --> 0:36:38.880
<v Speaker 2>You're giving up an average of thirty seven and you're

0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:43.439
<v Speaker 2>scoring twenty two. You're not beating anybody. And I would

0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:46.040
<v Speaker 2>have everybody up for grabs, including TJ.

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<v Speaker 3>Watt.

0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:48.760
<v Speaker 2>I would just say, I'm going to open up the pantry,

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<v Speaker 2>Come on in, what are you gonna give me? I

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<v Speaker 2>know they don't do rebuilds. Maybe you just call it

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<v Speaker 2>a reload, but it's a rebuild there because you got

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<v Speaker 2>to find your quarterback. You got to start the way,

0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:02.719
<v Speaker 2>you got to find your coach, and then you got

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<v Speaker 2>to find your quarterback.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Seaton, what do you have next year?

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<v Speaker 4>Mike Tomlin will be a head coach in the media

0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:14.880
<v Speaker 4>or on a beach playing sudoku right now. In the

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<v Speaker 4>media has about sixty five percent of that vote, followed

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<v Speaker 4>by on the beach.

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<v Speaker 3>Joe and Orlando. Hi, Joe, what's on your mind?

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<v Speaker 6>I'm going Dan, good morning, so quick question Daan. One

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<v Speaker 6>thing we can ascertain from these playoffs is that you've

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<v Speaker 6>got to have a good coach to be competitive. That

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<v Speaker 6>being said, it seems to me the Raiders have two

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<v Speaker 6>pass They can get Mendoza and you can go try to

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<v Speaker 6>find your next McConnell, your next.

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<v Speaker 12>McVeigh and that alleviates that revolving doors of ocs. Or

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<v Speaker 12>do you go get a legitimate qualified Tomlin or football?

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<v Speaker 12>Trade that first pick, Trade Rosby, Crosby, get.

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<v Speaker 6>As much as you can and try to rebuild the

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<v Speaker 6>entire organization.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to trade that pick if that's the quarterback,

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:04.080
<v Speaker 2>and you do your due diligence, and that is your quarterback.

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<v Speaker 2>And granted he might be the next Kirk Cousins, but

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<v Speaker 2>if you're the Raiders, you'll take that. If I said

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<v Speaker 2>he's the next Joe Flacco, you take that. I think

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<v Speaker 2>we envision these quarterbacks and we go, Man, he can

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<v Speaker 2>be the next Mahomes, next Tom Brady. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>But can he be somebody who gives you something that's

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<v Speaker 2>sustainable that when he goes to the line of scrimmage,

0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:34.000
<v Speaker 2>our game on the line, that you have confidence in him.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the Raiders have been a poorly run organization.

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<v Speaker 2>They're paying so many coaches. What are they paying three coaches?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe four? Now who you're bringing in? Are you going

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<v Speaker 2>to go on the cheap? Are you going to try

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:52.960
<v Speaker 2>to go for a big ticket. I can't imagine John

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<v Speaker 2>Harbaugh and Mike Tomlin being interested in that job. They're

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<v Speaker 2>about winning championships. The knock on them is they can't

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<v Speaker 2>win playoff games there. You're not even getting into the playoffs,

0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:09.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, Tennessee. I think is a great job for somebody,

0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:13.719
<v Speaker 2>but not for those guys. They're about when I got

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<v Speaker 2>to show that I can win another Super Bowl. Not Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to have a winning record for the next

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<v Speaker 2>five to seven years. So I didn't do anything to

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<v Speaker 2>your legacy, if that's what you care about. But John Harbaugh,

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<v Speaker 2>who I worked with the Super Bowl in Minnesota. I

0:39:34.960 --> 0:39:38.080
<v Speaker 2>thought he was really good on TV, and nobody has

0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:42.120
<v Speaker 2>brought up is John Harball interested in doing TV? It

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<v Speaker 2>feels like all of the all indications aren't. He is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a head coach again, and he has

0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:54.840
<v Speaker 2>his pick of all of these jobs. He did not

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<v Speaker 2>want to leave. The Ravens did him dirty by firing him,

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<v Speaker 2>saying they fired there was no mutual. Steelers might have

0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:07.240
<v Speaker 2>fired Mike Tomlin right. They're going to keep it really,

0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:10.800
<v Speaker 2>really quiet because their owner, even though he has a

0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:13.880
<v Speaker 2>press conference today at noon, usual doesn't say too much.

0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:18.279
<v Speaker 2>The Raven's owner, Steve's not afraid to get out there

0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:21.040
<v Speaker 2>and say something, and he did. He said it was

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<v Speaker 2>time to move on from John Harbaugh.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Paul, if you're the Steelers owner at noon today,

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<v Speaker 5>do you take questions?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah, yeah.

0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:33.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean if an owner lies to me at a

0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:37.680
<v Speaker 2>press conference, I'm not going to be shocked if she say, uh,

0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:43.439
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a mutual party? Did you fire Mike Tomlin. If

0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:47.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm ownership, I just say no, No. We have great

0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:51.000
<v Speaker 2>respect for him. You know, this is what he was,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what he asked for with two years left

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<v Speaker 2>on his contract. Sorry to see him go Hall of

0:40:57.400 --> 0:41:01.279
<v Speaker 2>Fame career, and we wish him the best. Yeah, but

0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:02.359
<v Speaker 2>then it's a mutual part.

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<v Speaker 9>And they just said Mike Tomas stepped down, correct.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all right?

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The Ravens didn't even give John Harball that that was dirty.

0:41:09.600 --> 0:41:12.719
<v Speaker 2>They're like, nah, we fired him, Nope, time to move on.

0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:19.520
<v Speaker 2>That's why they have security follow you around when you're

0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:21.840
<v Speaker 2>cleaning out your desk. That's what they did at the Mothership.

0:41:22.040 --> 0:41:24.719
<v Speaker 2>They have security like what are we stealing?

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<v Speaker 3>It's awkward.

0:41:25.520 --> 0:41:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sorry, I'm gonna steal Danielle's sergeant hour two on

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<v Speaker 2>the way after this