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Speaker 2: of surprise with what happened in Pittsburgh. So now we
Speaker 2: have the Cardinals, Falcons, Ravens, Browns, Raiders, Dolphins, Giants, Titans,
Speaker 2: Steelers all looking for head coaches.
Speaker 3: We'll talk to.
Speaker 2: The man who's been covering the Steelers for I think
Speaker 2: three decades, Jerry Dulac from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette. He'll
Speaker 2: join us coming up in about twenty minutes from now,
Speaker 2: And what he reported on yesterday is Mike Tomlin made
Speaker 2: the decision to step down with two years left on
Speaker 2: his contract and a contract that was going to pay
Speaker 2: him twenty five million dollars a year. I guess if
Speaker 2: you're looking at next stop, as we've talked about speculated
Speaker 2: the last two years, it was going to be TV
Speaker 2: as almost a pit stop maybe a year or two
Speaker 2: and then probably get back into code.
Speaker 3: But we'll talk to Jerry. He'll join us coming up.
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Speaker 2: quarterback now working for the Mothership on NFL Countdown. So
Speaker 2: after nineteen years, Mike Tomlin steps down, and if you're
Speaker 2: looking at a pattern here, Chuck Nole defensive minded, Bill
Speaker 2: Coward defensive minded, Mike Tomlin defensive mind. And is that
Speaker 2: next coach going to be defensive minded? Also probably going
Speaker 2: to get somebody who is not established, Probably getting somebody
Speaker 2: who will be in their mid thirties, maybe late thirties.
Speaker 2: That's been the pattern for the Steelers over the last
Speaker 2: sixty years.
Speaker 3: All right, eight.
Speaker 2: Seven seven three DP show operator Tyler sitting by, He'll
Speaker 2: take your phone calls today. Seaton poll question for the
Speaker 2: first hour is what.
Speaker 4: Well do you want to start with Mike Tomlin or
Speaker 4: with Mike Tomlin's replacements.
Speaker 3: Let's do Mike Tomlin Mike Tomlin? Is it fair to say?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: Or how do I word this correctly? If Mike Tomlin
Speaker 4: stepped down or was stepped down?
Speaker 2: Well, Jerry Dulac, who's covering the team, said, according to
Speaker 2: his sources, Mike Tomlin made the decision that he was
Speaker 2: going to step down.
Speaker 3: Yes, Paul was.
Speaker 5: A Mike Tollin decision to step down completely voluntary would
Speaker 5: be my question, completely voluntary?
Speaker 3: Does it matter?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 3: Well, I think it.
Speaker 5: Does a little bit if you compare to what happened
Speaker 5: to Harball.
Speaker 3: We no, Harball got fired, right, but I was.
Speaker 5: I'm curious that the Pittsburgh ownership suggested this course of action.
Speaker 3: It's a fair question. Harball wanted to stay.
Speaker 2: Tony Dungee told us that when he talked to the
Speaker 2: front office ownership, it felt like if Mike wanted to
Speaker 2: continue to coach, and he had two years left on
Speaker 2: his contract, then he was going to be able to
Speaker 2: coach but do I think it's a mutual I don't.
Speaker 2: I never believe in a mutual parting where you walk
Speaker 2: in and you both say at the same time, I
Speaker 2: think that we should break up.
Speaker 3: Yeah. What I kind of want to have happened.
Speaker 4: If I had sort of like some type of magical
Speaker 4: wish that could make something happen, I would have Lincoln
Speaker 4: Riley leave USC and Mike Tomlin take the USC job,
Speaker 4: just so five years later we could have that story
Speaker 4: be true.
Speaker 3: They'd be like, yeah, see, nobody believe me, but see
Speaker 3: what happened.
Speaker 4: I told you Mike Tomlins taking the USC job.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, and you wonder why Mike Tomlin has never
Speaker 2: been on this show.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That was one of those where USC had a list
Speaker 2: and I had a source who said, all right, I've
Speaker 2: looked at the wish list of who we're going to hire.
Speaker 3: Who would we be interested in. They want to hide. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they like it's a wish list. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Mike Tomlin was on the wish list, that's all.
Speaker 2: He wasn't interested, never heard anything. So when I said that, hey,
Speaker 2: I have somebody who's seen this wish list and said,
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin is on the wish list.
Speaker 3: Is this a joke?
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden somebody says, yeah, Dan
Speaker 2: Patrick said that you know you're interested in the USC job,
Speaker 2: which is not how I phrased it. I said they
Speaker 2: are interested in Mike.
Speaker 4: Wait, you mean a reporter framed a question to a
Speaker 4: coach to get a reaction of a press conference.
Speaker 3: Get at. I know they're supposed to be journalists in there.
Speaker 3: They're professional.
Speaker 7: They don't do that.
Speaker 3: No, they don't.
Speaker 2: Uh So, Mike tom Lincoln Riley to the Steelers, But
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley could go wherever he wants.
Speaker 4: I just want Mike Tomlin to take the USC job
Speaker 4: just so we can have some fun with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm taking receipt Are you taking receipts or dropping receipt?
Speaker 3: Receipt keeping receipt? You keep them keeping receipt? Yes?
Speaker 8: To you think Tomlin possibly had a mindset when I'm
Speaker 8: about to meet the front office and the owners. If
Speaker 8: I don't immediately feel the love and the confidence and
Speaker 8: the encouragement that they want me back, anything less than that,
Speaker 8: I'm just going to step down.
Speaker 3: I need to hear that right away.
Speaker 8: And maybe he was thinking about going.
Speaker 2: I don't know how they phrased it. I don't know
Speaker 2: how you know they did. They pose a question, Mike,
Speaker 2: what do you want to do? Or do you say, Mike,
Speaker 2: we want you back. What do you want to do?
Speaker 2: We talked about this yesterday, but I think Mike Tomlin
Speaker 2: probably felt after nineteen years, I need to take a
Speaker 2: big deep breath here. I need's fifty three. And I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that this is one of those midlife crisis
Speaker 2: as much as it is. Okay, I've accomplished this. I've
Speaker 2: accomplished a lot. I have total respect around the league.
Speaker 2: Networks are going to want to hire me. You get
Speaker 2: together with your wife and you say, what do we
Speaker 2: want to do? And maybe you want to take that
Speaker 2: deep breath and just say, you know what, Maybe I
Speaker 2: do TV. And I don't know how good he would
Speaker 2: be on TV. I've always found that he's interesting to
Speaker 2: look at with his expressions. I don't know how demonstrative
Speaker 2: he's going to be with his words. Like when you
Speaker 2: see him on the sidelines, you're like, he looks interesting
Speaker 2: and it can be fun in press conferences a little prickly,
Speaker 2: but I don't know. You put him in studio, you
Speaker 2: put him doing a game, like I think of you
Speaker 2: would hire Mike Tomlin. I would want him in studio.
Speaker 2: I would want to see him and you could control
Speaker 2: what he's going to be talking about, as opposed to
Speaker 2: in a game. You know, just because you know the game,
Speaker 2: you coach the game, you've won a super Bowl, you've
Speaker 2: been in the playoffs. That doesn't mean you can do
Speaker 2: a broadcast. But if I put you in a studio,
Speaker 2: and this is what I would do if I'm INBC,
Speaker 2: I would say to Mike Tomlin, we want to hire
Speaker 2: you through the postseason, and we have the Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: So now I get kind of a head start. Now
Speaker 2: do I think CBS is going to reach out because
Speaker 2: Matt Ryan is now working with the Falcons, And I
Speaker 2: brought that up to Bill Cower yesterday. Hey, I'd bring
Speaker 2: in Mike Tomlin this weekend. If I'm CBS, put him
Speaker 2: in there with Cower. You know, then you get to
Speaker 2: ask him the questions about this. Then you get to
Speaker 2: talk to him about you know, the game's coming up,
Speaker 2: so you have him do his first interview with you.
Speaker 2: Jay Glazer is a great relationship with Mike. I could
Speaker 2: see that they haven't replaced Jimmy Johnson. I could see
Speaker 2: where you bring in Mike Tomlin, but I don't know
Speaker 2: if he's part of the hijinks that you have at
Speaker 2: the Fox pregame show, like wacky you know, goofy stuff,
Speaker 2: Where's CBS you know a little bit more, you know,
Speaker 2: uniformity with that, and you're there with Bill Kauer. That
Speaker 2: could be fun as well. But he'll have options. But
Speaker 2: if I'm NBC, I bring him in and I say
Speaker 2: we would like to have you through the super Bowl.
Speaker 3: See what he says? All right? So the yes, Ton?
Speaker 3: Is there a standard of coach owners meeting?
Speaker 8: I know, like the players, you know they pack up
Speaker 8: their stuff and you meet with the press and all that.
Speaker 8: I was just wondering who initiated the conversation, how much
Speaker 8: that matter? Did Mike Tomlin say, hey, do you got
Speaker 8: a minute to the ownership group? Or did they say, Mike,
Speaker 8: come on and let's talk about some stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, you always have an exit interview every team, every
Speaker 2: coach has.
Speaker 8: I'm just I'd be fascinated to know just how that started.
Speaker 8: And you know, not that it'll be aggressive, but who
Speaker 8: initiated the what are we doing next year? What's our plan?
Speaker 4: Are we here?
Speaker 8: We're not here together.
Speaker 3: Well, no, you have an exit interview. Season's over.
Speaker 2: You get together, you talk about what short term, long
Speaker 2: term plans are. This took on probably a different tone
Speaker 2: where you're walking in and you're saying, all right, what
Speaker 2: are we doing? We want you back? What are you thinking?
Speaker 2: Two years left on your contract? What are you thinking?
Speaker 2: That's probably you know how this was sort of the
Speaker 2: table was set for this meeting. I can't imagine they'll go, hey, Mike,
Speaker 2: come on in, let's talk man. So what do you
Speaker 2: want to do at quarterback next year?
Speaker 3: Now? What do you think? You know?
Speaker 2: I think this was let's start big picture, keep a
Speaker 2: big picture. If he decides he's going to stay, well
Speaker 2: now we can have some questions about the roster. And
Speaker 2: I didn't think I thought at the beginning of the year,
Speaker 2: I thought that this would be the last year for Tomlin,
Speaker 2: the last year for Aaron Rodgers. And it looks like
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers will be done in Pittsburgh as well. I
Speaker 2: don't know if there's any other opportunity for him. Somebody
Speaker 2: suggested to me yesterday, well what if Minnesota brought him in?
Speaker 2: And I thought, okay, maybe this past year. But now
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he's forty three, and he's looking
Speaker 2: every bit forty three. You still have a couple of
Speaker 2: good receivers on that team. But and I think they
Speaker 2: want to open up the competition with AJ McCarthy. But
Speaker 2: I don't want to one and done, or you know,
Speaker 2: like Pittsburgh, all right, it was one year, you rolled
Speaker 2: the dice, you got to the playoffs, and that's it.
Speaker 3: It didn't work out. But I don't know if I see.
Speaker 2: A team like you can't have a team go hey,
Speaker 2: let's bring him in and maybe people like the Cleveland Browns. Hey,
Speaker 2: maybe somebody will show up to watch Aaron Rodgers play quarterback.
Speaker 2: I don't see that. I don't think that there's this
Speaker 2: victory tour for him. I don't think he's interested in that.
Speaker 2: But with Mike Tomlin, and you're gonna get compensation if
Speaker 2: Mike coaches the next two years. That's why I think
Speaker 2: he if he takes that TV job, he might take
Speaker 2: it for two years.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you still have to compensate the
Speaker 2: Steelers after those two years, because he does have two
Speaker 2: years left on his contract. I don't know if that
Speaker 2: continues in perpetuity if he takes another head coaching job. Yes, Marvin, do.
Speaker 9: You see him pulling a Bill Kauer or coach Kauer
Speaker 9: where you never coach again? Because I coach the Steelers.
Speaker 9: What can get better than this?
Speaker 2: Well, there was sensitivity involved with Bill Kauer with his wife.
Speaker 2: She was sick and he needed to spend more time
Speaker 2: three daughters. And so I think that that's the reason
Speaker 2: why Bill was not coming back to coaching. And also,
Speaker 2: you know, these guys get into TV and they realize
Speaker 2: it's not bad. You know, it's not the wear and tear,
Speaker 2: the hours, wins, losses, all of that. Well, you wake
Speaker 2: up Monday, You're good. You didn't lose. You might have
Speaker 2: won a little bit with you know, your performance on TV,
Speaker 2: but it rarely lose. And get to go have meals,
Speaker 2: get to wear nice clothes, you get to have people
Speaker 2: you know put makeup on you. It's not bad, not
Speaker 2: bad at all. So I think Mike, he strikes me
Speaker 2: as he's a coach and would still want to coach.
Speaker 2: But I think, I mean, look at the NFL. Look
Speaker 2: at all the openings here, and I thought there would
Speaker 2: be six, maybe seven openings. I don't even I was
Speaker 2: told yesterday by a source. You know, don't rule out
Speaker 2: somebody else's team in the playoffs changing coaches. And I'm
Speaker 2: thinking how much more? How many candidates are out there,
Speaker 2: but you got John Harball at the top of the list.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Mike Tomlin would be on that list.
Speaker 2: But if I'm a team all of these teams, I'd
Speaker 2: be reaching out to Mike Tomlin. What I would want
Speaker 2: is an interview with Mike Tomlin, so Tomlin could tell
Speaker 2: me about my team. If I'm Arizona, I go, Mike,
Speaker 2: We'll turn this over to you. We'll give you twenty
Speaker 2: million dollars. You can do whatever you want, total autonomy,
Speaker 2: and see if he's interested. He's probably not, Yeah, PAULI
Speaker 2: a couple of things on Tomlin. Since the Steelers did
Speaker 2: not fire him, they retained the rights to him throughout
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty seventh season, so any team that hires
Speaker 2: him this coaching cycle or next year's coaching cycle would
Speaker 2: owe some type of compensation to that to the Steelers. Also,
Speaker 2: the Steelers posted this thirty five minutes ago. Steelers President
Speaker 2: Art Runey the Second will speak to the media today
Speaker 2: at twelve Eastern and then yesterday posted thank you coach
Speaker 2: Tomlin for the hard work, dedication success you brought the
Speaker 2: Steelers for over nineteen years.
Speaker 5: A couple things.
Speaker 2: So we'll talk to Jerry Doulac, who covers the Steelers
Speaker 2: and get his thoughts on how this all came about.
Speaker 2: And you know, it felt like one of the worst
Speaker 2: kept secrets because people kept saying, man, Tom, I could see.
Speaker 3: Him doing TV boy, he'd be good at TV.
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 2: You're fifty three, You're in the middle of a playoff chase,
Speaker 2: you get into the playoffs, you lose in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Now all of a sudden, you step down. So there
Speaker 2: was something there and it had been there for a while.
Speaker 2: But if you win that game, does he still eventually
Speaker 2: step down? Was this a foregone conclusion? Maybe in his
Speaker 2: mind and maybe the Steelers. We'll find out next. This
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Speaker 2: Away Cardinals, Falcons, Ravens, Browns, Raiders, Dolphins, Giants, Titans, and
Speaker 2: now the Steelers. Jerry Dulac covers the Steelers for the
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Post Gazette and he joins us, Now, how did
Speaker 2: we get here?
Speaker 3: Jerry?
Speaker 10: You know, Dan, it's it's been evolving, of course, and
Speaker 10: I think the final straw was just another one and
Speaker 10: done in the postseason. That's nine times in Mike Thomlins career.
Speaker 10: That ties Marty Schottenheimer, who's long remembered for all the
Speaker 10: one and done, you know, with that dubious record, and
Speaker 10: you know, five times in the playoffs the last six years.
Speaker 10: I mean, obviously, you know, people he around here think
Speaker 10: the sky is falling because they haven't won a playoff game,
Speaker 10: and to them, I understand why, but it's just it's
Speaker 10: kind of the same, the same scene every year, get
Speaker 10: into postseason and then not only get eliminated, but you know,
Speaker 10: they're really I know, the Texans scored two touchdowns in
Speaker 10: the last four minutes, but the games are never really competitive.
Speaker 10: And you know, I know, you know, Dan, people always
Speaker 10: say you don't make change for the sake of change,
Speaker 10: and the Steelers didn't make this change. Mike Tomlin decided
Speaker 10: to step down, but it was time to make a
Speaker 10: change just for the sake of change. You couldn't continue
Speaker 10: if your ownership. I don't know how you have just
Speaker 10: sat there and watched the same old thing happen again.
Speaker 10: And you know, Mike Tomlin made the decision for them.
Speaker 3: Do you think it was completely his decision? Here?
Speaker 10: I'm still trying to get to the bottom of that, Dan,
Speaker 10: because I don't always think that's the case. But I
Speaker 10: will say this, I have been told from the top
Speaker 10: that the Steelers retain his rights, and that would mean
Speaker 10: that he stepped down, that they didn't fire him, you know,
Speaker 10: that would be a different, different scenario. So I'm going
Speaker 10: to go on that with the with the idea that
Speaker 10: he did step down, and from everybody I heard, including
Speaker 10: some of the players, that seems to be the case.
Speaker 3: I don't think.
Speaker 10: I don't think they told him, look, we'll let you
Speaker 10: what you know, we want you out, but we'll let
Speaker 10: you step down. I don't think that's the case. But
Speaker 10: I'm still still open to the buzz of Delly.
Speaker 3: So what's next for Tomin? I don't know.
Speaker 10: You know, Dan, everybody wants to think that, you know,
Speaker 10: he's going He's perfect for TV and that's where he's
Speaker 10: going to go. Look, you know, he and I don't
Speaker 10: sit down and have those discussions.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 10: I've never gotten the indication that that's something on his radar,
Speaker 10: and I don't know if he wants to continue coaching.
Speaker 10: That's what I'm gonna, you know, obviously find out here
Speaker 10: in the next couple of days. I don't know what
Speaker 10: his plans are because I haven't had a chance to
Speaker 10: talk to him, but I you know, Mike, Mike Tommins
Speaker 10: a football junkie, and I would almost I would expect
Speaker 10: him to you know want to go coach again, but
Speaker 10: I guess we're going to find out. Nineteen years in
Speaker 10: one place, let's face it, a long time. And I
Speaker 10: never got any sense that he was burned out. I
Speaker 10: never thought that at all. And I just I think
Speaker 10: he looked at kind of the landscape and the environment
Speaker 10: of what was going on here, and you know, I'm
Speaker 10: not going to sit here and say he stepped down
Speaker 10: for the better good of the franchise or maybe the
Speaker 10: better good of his reputation. I don't know, but I
Speaker 10: think he could feel and sense and see what was
Speaker 10: going on, you know, from the fan base to everything else,
Speaker 10: and just probably thought, you know, what, time to step away.
Speaker 3: What's next for the Steelers.
Speaker 10: Well, you know, obviously their history of hiring head coaches
Speaker 10: has been pretty good, and they haven't had to do
Speaker 10: it in a while nineteen years. When you look at
Speaker 10: the last three hires, all young, defensive minded coaches, I
Speaker 10: would expect the same to happen. Despite what the way
Speaker 10: we see the NFL being played these days, I would
Speaker 10: imagine they'll follow the same template. I think they'll move quickly.
Speaker 10: I'm not going to do it by the end of
Speaker 10: the week, but I would imagine that's the direction they
Speaker 10: are going to go. And I will tell you you know,
Speaker 10: when Bill Kawer stepped down after the sixth season, the
Speaker 10: Steelers retained a number of his assistants from the staff,
Speaker 10: including Bruce arians, Dick LeBeau, Keith Butler.
Speaker 3: I don't know if.
Speaker 10: That's going to be the case, but it's one the
Speaker 10: rooneys do, you know. They don't They don't let a
Speaker 10: coach come in and start picking his entire staff and
Speaker 10: his training staff and a medical staff and the secretary's
Speaker 10: and a pr staff to Steelers say hey, this is
Speaker 10: what you got, and you work around that. And so
Speaker 10: we'll see how it plays out. I would expect a
Speaker 10: lot of that, you know, to still be the same.
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers' future, I think.
Speaker 10: I think if Mike Tomlin stayed, I think they would
Speaker 10: have welcomed him back to a degree. But I will
Speaker 10: say this Dan, whether he was coming back or not,
Speaker 10: it wasn't going to change what they want to do
Speaker 10: intend to do in the draft, And I'm not saying
Speaker 10: they will do it because we'll see how it plays out,
Speaker 10: but their intention is to find a quarterback that they
Speaker 10: can build on for the next ten twelve fifteen years hopefully,
Speaker 10: And so whether Aaron Rodgers comes back or not, that
Speaker 10: plan doesn't change.
Speaker 3: I know that it falls on Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 2: But did front office help build a team that could
Speaker 2: challenge first Super Bowl?
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any question that.
Speaker 10: You know, the general manager, Omar Khan, was very aggressive
Speaker 10: the last two years, even the last three, but especially
Speaker 10: the last two in trying to get the pieces to,
Speaker 10: you know, to make a potential run. But you know,
Speaker 10: the first step was winning a playoff game and that
Speaker 10: didn't happen, and so they also brought in a number
Speaker 10: of thirty plus veterans and that that didn't work. Then
Speaker 10: I don't know that you stick with the with the
Speaker 10: same personnel and you start to make some changes again,
Speaker 10: and at some point, you know, the Steelers then never
Speaker 10: use the word rebuild. And I'm not saying they're going
Speaker 10: to do that, but you know, they've done it kind
Speaker 10: of piecemeal, and I got a sense this one might
Speaker 10: be a little bit of a bigger overhaul.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they're not bad enough to get better by
Speaker 2: having that high draft pick, Like you're you're kind of
Speaker 2: in the twenties, and that could be no man's land
Speaker 2: if you're you know, A nine and eight, ten and seventeen.
Speaker 10: Yeah, when you think of where they've had to draft. Now,
Speaker 10: they've traded up a couple of times to get up
Speaker 10: to sixteen to get an offensive lineman. But when you
Speaker 10: think about where they have had to draft and the
Speaker 10: consistent success five times in the postseason in the last
Speaker 10: six years, you know, they haven't been able to hit
Speaker 10: that home run with a number one pick, And to me,
Speaker 10: that's what makes every draft. I think their drafts have
Speaker 10: been solid, but they haven't had that Pro Bowl, elite.
Speaker 3: Type of player.
Speaker 10: And you know you have to go back to TJ.
Speaker 3: Watt to find that guy.
Speaker 10: And I think that's where they need and they know it.
Speaker 10: They know those first five picks, first eight picks or
Speaker 10: where you first five, especially where you find those elite players.
Speaker 10: First eight to ten is where you find maybe the
Speaker 10: Pro Bowl players and then you keep your fingers crossed
Speaker 10: it maybe you land somebody. But they haven't had that
Speaker 10: guy and that's what they need and they know it.
Speaker 10: That's what they need to go and try and.
Speaker 2: Do anybody untouchable on the roster in your opinion, No.
Speaker 10: No, you know, I don't think I you know, DK
Speaker 10: metcalf is, I don't think despite that suspension what some
Speaker 10: people want to think, he's coming back. Cam Hayward's going
Speaker 10: to be thirty seven. But you know, I will tell you, Dan,
Speaker 10: I don't think anybody is untouchable. They're right tackle Troy Fontano,
Speaker 10: maybe some of our offensive linemen, but otherwise any of
Speaker 10: the other guys.
Speaker 3: No, thanks again, I know you're busy. We appreciate it, Dan.
Speaker 10: Well, always enjoy being with you.
Speaker 2: Jerry Doolat covers the Steelers for the Pittsburgh Post Gazette,
Speaker 2: also part of the Steelers Radio network. If Mike Tomlin
Speaker 2: does not take a job in the next two years,
Speaker 2: there's no compensation for the Steelers. He would be a
Speaker 2: free agent. And you know, keep in mind the Sean
Speaker 2: Payton situation when he left the Saints and he ended
Speaker 2: up with the Broncos. The Broncos had to give up
Speaker 2: two picks for Sean Payton. Bruce Arians, Herm Edwards, John Ruden,
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick, Mike Holme, and Bill Parcells. Those are these
Speaker 2: seven head coaches traded in NFL history.
Speaker 3: David in Ohio, Hi, David.
Speaker 11: Hey, David, Dan speaking, Hey, Hey, Dan speaking of Todd
Speaker 11: might like this one.
Speaker 3: Speaking of Steelers.
Speaker 6: Head coaches, I guess you could say that the Steelers
Speaker 6: chuck a knowle from Mike Tomlins.
Speaker 12: Thank you.
Speaker 3: You can't approve of that, Todd.
Speaker 8: I can't. I want to because he gave me a
Speaker 8: little shout and he was trying to do the headline thing.
Speaker 3: But I think he can do better.
Speaker 2: Where is Pittsburgh, Dave David Arkansas joints this.
Speaker 11: I'm right here, Dan. I'm the newest member, I gotta
Speaker 11: say for a newest member of.
Speaker 12: The d DC.
Speaker 11: Oh and almost the newest member of the one I see.
Speaker 11: I got hit in the face of the golf ball
Speaker 11: and nearly took out on a left eye.
Speaker 2: So you were going to join PAULI on the one
Speaker 2: good eye club.
Speaker 11: Great to have you almost happened.
Speaker 2: Uh but and condolences with the dead dad club there,
Speaker 2: But you know, welcome to the club.
Speaker 10: Yes.
Speaker 11: Now, as for Tom and his concerned I just think
Speaker 11: the time was right. I do believe this was totally
Speaker 11: his decision. There was no forcing of anything from the
Speaker 11: front office.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 11: So you know it's and I look at it as
Speaker 11: the next coach might be the last coach. I watch
Speaker 11: you know the way they go with coaches. My last
Speaker 11: coach that I watch, I wouldn't mind. I mean a
Speaker 11: lot of talk has been Brian Flores. You know, do
Speaker 11: you make the call to Marcus Freeman? I could see that.
Speaker 2: Oh I make the call. Absolutely. I make the call
Speaker 2: with Marcus Freeman. I mean, you're the Steelers, you know,
Speaker 2: you're one of the blue bloods there. But thank you, Dave,
Speaker 2: and once again, welcome to the Dead Dad's Club. Curtis
Speaker 2: in Illinois, Hi, Curtis, what's on your mind?
Speaker 1: Morning?
Speaker 12: DP?
Speaker 3: Just calling it today.
Speaker 13: Everybody's going nuts over who's going to hire John Harbaugh?
Speaker 13: And then this if Tomlin decides he wants to coach again,
Speaker 13: there'd be probably just as long as a list. But
Speaker 13: if you look back at NFL history, there's never been
Speaker 13: a coach that has won Super Bowls with multiple teams.
Speaker 13: So if you're hiring for a new coach, don't you
Speaker 13: just want that younger, hungry coach that has something to gain.
Speaker 3: Out of it?
Speaker 2: I would, because this is what everybody has been saying. Man,
Speaker 2: you could bring in John Harbaugh, you could bring in
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin. Well, if they couldn't get their team over
Speaker 2: the hump. What makes you think they can get your
Speaker 2: team over the hump?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think if you're following the Steelers' history and
Speaker 4: track record, it's probably somebody more like Jesse Minter that
Speaker 4: makes the most sense defensive coordination With the Chargers, he's
Speaker 4: the defensive coordinator. They like to hire defensive minded head coaches.
Speaker 4: And if right now the one thing you can build
Speaker 4: around is TJ. Watt, bring in a guy who's in
Speaker 4: his early forties that sort of follows a lot of
Speaker 4: the same things that the Steelers as an organization really likes.
Speaker 4: And Jerry Duleak was just saying, you don't come in
Speaker 4: and bring in all of your people, you come in
Speaker 4: and assimilate into what is already existing. I don't know,
Speaker 4: I think that he probably makes a lot of sense. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Jesse Mentor, I think is forty one. Brian Flores probably
Speaker 4: is going to get a head coaching job, might be
Speaker 4: with the Raiders, maybe it's Pittsburgh. But back to what
Speaker 4: I was talking about, where you got John Harbaugh and
Speaker 4: Kevin Stefanski and Mike Tomlin. Those are all marquee names,
Speaker 4: proven coaches, but there's a reason why they're not coaching
Speaker 4: their respective teams, they couldn't.
Speaker 2: Get them over the hump. Now it's different for Kevin Stefanski.
Speaker 2: He did not have the talent there that these other
Speaker 2: two co John Harball had a future Hall of Fame quarterback.
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin didn't have that for the latter part of
Speaker 2: his career. They were looking, they're still looking Lamar jack
Speaker 2: The Ravens chose Lamar Jackson over John Harbaught feels like
Speaker 2: like whoever's coaching is coming in and they're gonna have
Speaker 2: to put Lamar Jackson in a better position to win.
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean if you're Atlanta or Arizona, the Giants,
Speaker 2: all of these openings, you'd be going, hey, that's an upgrade.
Speaker 2: That guy can help us be better. Because if I said, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm going to have you hire a guy who's going
Speaker 2: to have you in the playoffs for the next ten years,
Speaker 2: you gotta have winning record the next ten years, but
Speaker 2: you're going to roll the dice and chances are you
Speaker 2: won't win a playoff game. If you're Atlanta, would you
Speaker 2: sign up for that? If you're the Giants, would you
Speaker 2: sign up for that? The Browns would you sign up
Speaker 2: for that? Arizona would you Tennessee, Like, there's certain teams
Speaker 2: that their expectator. You know, the Steelers, it's about winning championships.
Speaker 2: The Patriots, you win championships. Even the Cowboys, who haven't
Speaker 2: done anything in thirty years, it's still winning championships. Arizona,
Speaker 2: it's just let's be relevant, let's be competitive. The Giants
Speaker 2: one of the blue bloods. They have not been good,
Speaker 2: not consistent. Atlanta, they've been a mess. So there's certain
Speaker 2: teams Tennessee would take that. Hey, ten years winning record,
Speaker 2: playoffs every single year, but you're not winning a playoff
Speaker 2: game in Pittsburgh. That doesn't fly. In Baltimore, that doesn't fly. Yes, Marv.
Speaker 9: So if you're the Falcons of the Titans, would you say, hey,
Speaker 9: let's have a Tom Coffin like career where you only
Speaker 9: make the playoffs twice in ten.
Speaker 3: Years, but you win Super Bowls? Would you sign up
Speaker 3: for that? Yes, everybody would.
Speaker 2: The Steelers would sign up for that, Baltimore would sign
Speaker 2: up for that. It's sort of like the Florida Marlins,
Speaker 2: you know, like every five to six years, it'd be like,
Speaker 2: I'll be damn they won another World Series.
Speaker 9: Yes, Mark, So the year before you win the Super Bowl,
Speaker 9: you're on the hot seat. He might get fired, but
Speaker 9: let's win a super Bowl instead.
Speaker 2: Nick Siriani and they fire their offensive coordinator. I feel
Speaker 2: bad for Jalen Hurts. He's had a new offensive coordinator
Speaker 2: every single year, and he's going to have another one
Speaker 2: next year. And I believe if you look at his
Speaker 2: offensive coordinators at Alabama, he had a new one every
Speaker 2: single year. Greatness starts with stability. Who is my coach?
Speaker 2: Who is my offensive coordinator? Jalen Hurts has not had that.
Speaker 2: And maybe we'll see that we haven't seen the best
Speaker 2: of Jalen Hurts because maybe there will be consistency there.
Speaker 2: But they offensive coordinators, it's it is difficult to play
Speaker 2: the position to begin with. Then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you got somebody else's coming in now, new terminology, maybe
Speaker 2: a new mindset. Maybe AJ Brown's not there, Saquon Barkley
Speaker 2: a year older. Like you know, you got to start
Speaker 2: factoring these things in. And when we talk about the window,
Speaker 2: didn't it feel like that Eagles window is wide open,
Speaker 2: ready for a couple of Super Bowls, winning a couple
Speaker 2: of Super Bowls.
Speaker 3: They got to two with this group.
Speaker 2: Now you wonder It's like the Lions because everybody you know,
Speaker 2: we have that same approach. Eh, they'll be back. There's
Speaker 2: no guarantees, no guarantees. Look at Kansas City, man, you
Speaker 2: got Mahomes, you got Kelsey, Andy Reid, until you're not
Speaker 2: going to have Mahomes for a little while and you
Speaker 2: may not have Kelsey. Now, all of a sudden, Kansas
Speaker 2: City third best team in their division.
Speaker 3: That's how quickly it happens.
Speaker 2: Baltimore's had a two time probably should have been a
Speaker 2: three time MVP at quarterback and have nothing to show
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 10: Now.
Speaker 2: I can put blame on him, but it just seems
Speaker 2: like that game plan always changed when they got.
Speaker 3: To the postseason.
Speaker 2: So as much as we like to say, hey that
Speaker 2: window is still open, it might be, but that's where
Speaker 2: it's open. But you put your fingers there and that
Speaker 2: window comes down on them.
Speaker 3: Yes, Marv.
Speaker 9: And the way the NFL is built, there's a new
Speaker 9: team every single year that comes out of nowhere and
Speaker 9: becomes a contender.
Speaker 3: All out Houston Texans.
Speaker 2: Well, there's usually three or four teams. I think we
Speaker 2: had all the divisional winners, weren't they They've had a
Speaker 2: new divisional winner and I think that's what you have
Speaker 2: to factor in. There is hope for your team, but
Speaker 2: also if you're a team that is already good, there's
Speaker 2: no guarantee that you stay there.
Speaker 3: We'll take a break.
Speaker 2: More phone calls coming up eight seven to seven to
Speaker 2: three DP show. We'll talk to the former quarterback Alex
Speaker 2: Smith of the ESPN's NFL Countdown. He'll join us next hour.
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Speaker 2: of it?
Speaker 9: Is that?
Speaker 12: It?
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Speaker 3: I finally got through it. It took me. Oh you finished three? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So I watched fifteen minutes, then I think I watched
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes, and then I finished it yesterday.
Speaker 3: So a three three seater, Yes we'll call that, yes, okay, yes.
Speaker 2: Seawan Penn won the Academy Award. If you watch that movie,
Speaker 2: I don't know how you don't come away going that
Speaker 2: is an incredible performance. And I know, I don't know
Speaker 2: how many people who highlight Sean Penn's movie career. He
Speaker 2: was great as Spacoli, but this movie he is great.
Speaker 2: He's great, but so is beneath Theo del Toro and
Speaker 2: the cast is great. And then there is a younger
Speaker 2: woman who plays Leonardo DiCaprio's daughter, and she has an
Speaker 2: interesting name. Have you do you know what that is seeing?
Speaker 3: I haven't. I haven't looked it up.
Speaker 7: I will alanahim No, No, Chase Infinity, Chase Infinity, and uh,
Speaker 7: she is spectacular, steals the movie at the end, steals it.
Speaker 2: But it's an interesting movie. I didn't follow the storyline
Speaker 2: that well. I was trying to. But maybe when you
Speaker 2: watch it in three different increments that happens and we got.
Speaker 4: To pick it up over and over again, it makes
Speaker 4: a little trickier to get the movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I need a refresher there, you know, somebody to say, hey,
Speaker 2: by the way, this is what's happening here.
Speaker 4: Doesn't that really speak to the quality of Sean Penn's
Speaker 4: performance though, that over three different sittings you still thought
Speaker 4: he was great.
Speaker 2: Sean Penn was great, Yeah he was, he was He's incredible. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so I would. I would recommend the movie, but it's
Speaker 2: you gotta stay focused with it so good. I really
Speaker 2: liked it, all right. Update the poll results if you
Speaker 2: can Seaton. By the way, the Steelers in their last
Speaker 2: seven playoff losses, they the average score is thirty seven
Speaker 2: to twenty two. So then you have an average offense
Speaker 2: and you have an overrated defense is what that tells me.
Speaker 2: You're giving up an average of thirty seven and you're
Speaker 2: scoring twenty two. You're not beating anybody. And I would
Speaker 2: have everybody up for grabs, including TJ.
Speaker 3: Watt.
Speaker 2: I would just say, I'm going to open up the pantry,
Speaker 2: Come on in, what are you gonna give me? I
Speaker 2: know they don't do rebuilds. Maybe you just call it
Speaker 2: a reload, but it's a rebuild there because you got
Speaker 2: to find your quarterback. You got to start the way,
Speaker 2: you got to find your coach, and then you got
Speaker 2: to find your quarterback.
Speaker 3: All right, Seaton, what do you have next year?
Speaker 4: Mike Tomlin will be a head coach in the media
Speaker 4: or on a beach playing sudoku right now. In the
Speaker 4: media has about sixty five percent of that vote, followed
Speaker 4: by on the beach.
Speaker 3: Joe and Orlando. Hi, Joe, what's on your mind?
Speaker 6: I'm going Dan, good morning, so quick question Daan. One
Speaker 6: thing we can ascertain from these playoffs is that you've
Speaker 6: got to have a good coach to be competitive. That
Speaker 6: being said, it seems to me the Raiders have two
Speaker 6: pass They can get Mendoza and you can go try to
Speaker 6: find your next McConnell, your next.
Speaker 12: McVeigh and that alleviates that revolving doors of ocs. Or
Speaker 12: do you go get a legitimate qualified Tomlin or football?
Speaker 12: Trade that first pick, Trade Rosby, Crosby, get.
Speaker 6: As much as you can and try to rebuild the
Speaker 6: entire organization.
Speaker 2: I don't want to trade that pick if that's the quarterback,
Speaker 2: and you do your due diligence, and that is your quarterback.
Speaker 2: And granted he might be the next Kirk Cousins, but
Speaker 2: if you're the Raiders, you'll take that. If I said
Speaker 2: he's the next Joe Flacco, you take that. I think
Speaker 2: we envision these quarterbacks and we go, Man, he can
Speaker 2: be the next Mahomes, next Tom Brady. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: But can he be somebody who gives you something that's
Speaker 2: sustainable that when he goes to the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 2: our game on the line, that you have confidence in him.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Raiders have been a poorly run organization.
Speaker 2: They're paying so many coaches. What are they paying three coaches?
Speaker 2: Maybe four? Now who you're bringing in? Are you going
Speaker 2: to go on the cheap? Are you going to try
Speaker 2: to go for a big ticket. I can't imagine John
Speaker 2: Harbaugh and Mike Tomlin being interested in that job. They're
Speaker 2: about winning championships. The knock on them is they can't
Speaker 2: win playoff games there. You're not even getting into the playoffs,
Speaker 2: you know, Tennessee. I think is a great job for somebody,
Speaker 2: but not for those guys. They're about when I got
Speaker 2: to show that I can win another Super Bowl. Not Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm going to have a winning record for the next
Speaker 2: five to seven years. So I didn't do anything to
Speaker 2: your legacy, if that's what you care about. But John Harbaugh,
Speaker 2: who I worked with the Super Bowl in Minnesota. I
Speaker 2: thought he was really good on TV, and nobody has
Speaker 2: brought up is John Harball interested in doing TV? It
Speaker 2: feels like all of the all indications aren't. He is
Speaker 2: going to be a head coach again, and he has
Speaker 2: his pick of all of these jobs. He did not
Speaker 2: want to leave. The Ravens did him dirty by firing him,
Speaker 2: saying they fired there was no mutual. Steelers might have
Speaker 2: fired Mike Tomlin right. They're going to keep it really,
Speaker 2: really quiet because their owner, even though he has a
Speaker 2: press conference today at noon, usual doesn't say too much.
Speaker 2: The Raven's owner, Steve's not afraid to get out there
Speaker 2: and say something, and he did. He said it was
Speaker 2: time to move on from John Harbaugh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Paul, if you're the Steelers owner at noon today,
Speaker 5: do you take questions?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean if an owner lies to me at a
Speaker 2: press conference, I'm not going to be shocked if she say, uh,
Speaker 2: wasn't a mutual party? Did you fire Mike Tomlin. If
Speaker 2: I'm ownership, I just say no, No. We have great
Speaker 2: respect for him. You know, this is what he was,
Speaker 2: this is what he asked for with two years left
Speaker 2: on his contract. Sorry to see him go Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame career, and we wish him the best. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: then it's a mutual part.
Speaker 9: And they just said Mike Tomas stepped down, correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right?
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The Ravens didn't even give John Harball that that was dirty.
Speaker 2: They're like, nah, we fired him, Nope, time to move on.
Speaker 2: That's why they have security follow you around when you're
Speaker 2: cleaning out your desk. That's what they did at the Mothership.
Speaker 2: They have security like what are we stealing?
Speaker 3: It's awkward.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, I'm gonna steal Danielle's sergeant hour two on
Speaker 2: the way after this