1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: Yo, hey, welcome to the Bootleg CAV Podcast. I don't 2 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: know what episode this is. We're pretty deep so far, though. 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: Shout out to the homie Nams representing Coney Island. Nams 4 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: is on the podcast today. One of my favorite rappers. 5 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: When it comes to just the lines, he'd be saying, 6 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: this dude is fucking hilarious. Um. He's got a new 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: album out called Congo. His whole thing is fuck your life, 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: all right. You might have seen him on TikTok he 9 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: got crazy bars. Go watch the interview and the freestyle, 10 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: or I mean go watch the freestyle. 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You've been super active likewise. Uh and 29 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 1: uh yeah, you had an interesting rap show last night 30 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: with it was Brother Ali, Immortal Technique yourself? Who am 31 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 1: I missing? Supernatural? Was there Supernat? When I was a kid? 32 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: The first time I saw Supernat, I freaked out. When 33 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: I was he was like grabbing people's IDs out of 34 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: the crowd and shit and like free selling their name 35 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: and then he would like twirl around and then come 36 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: back as like another rapper's voice. Yo. Did he do 37 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: that last night? No, not to my life, but Yo, 38 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: it's like when I first started battling, he was the 39 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: host of these things and he doesn't look any I'm 40 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: not a day older than back then. I grew older. 41 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: He didn't, Yeah, he used to. And then and then 42 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: I thought he was like, you know, Supernat was like 43 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: in the backpack circuit. He was like every tour, Yes, 44 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: But then they put him on a Lincoln Park Hybrid 45 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: Theory tour, did that and he hosted the Lincoln Park ship. 46 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: It might have been the reanimation. It was one of 47 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: those Lincoln Parks. Oh yeah, And I was like, super 48 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: about the crossover. That's crazy, shout out Supernat, Supernat the 49 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: legend man. So what's up man? What have you been 50 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: up to other than obviously putting out a ship ton 51 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: of music, selling a ship ton of merch? Uh, you know, 52 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: shipping on a ship ton of smokers in your neighborhood, right, 53 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: don't you ever disrespect? Yeah? We working on a comedy tour. 54 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm bringing Gorilla Weekend to every city. Yo. 55 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: Remember where you heard it first? Because I know well 56 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: rappers ain't doing comedy. I'm gonna make it. One night 57 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: I do a rap show, the next night, I do 58 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: a comedy show, the third night, I do a pop up. 59 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: Every city's gonna have a Gorilla weekend. Like when I 60 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: least Congo in August, I had this thing called Gorilla 61 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: Weekend because everything was shut down during the pandemic. So 62 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: I said, you know what, I'm gonna fucking shut down 63 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: my block and Coney Island put barricades up and I 64 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: didn't get no permits nothing. I'm gonna have a flatbed 65 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: trunk pull up. I'm gonna make that the stage and 66 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 1: I'm gonna fucking perform joints with the album since we 67 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: can't really get a venue right now. Wow. So I 68 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: did that, sold the merch and that was called Gorilla 69 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: Day and then uh, now we're gonna throw Gorilla Days 70 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: in every city any possible working on it right now, 71 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: you find or anything. Nope, I'm the mayor of Coney Island. Man. 72 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: Even the cops know the cops by merch from me. 73 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: People being yo. Man, I got arrested by this fucking 74 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: undercover war in your hat. I was like, town, fuck 75 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: your life. Wow, everybody everybody wears this ship. Man. Hey, 76 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: it's crazy like Coney Island outside of yourself, Like, I 77 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: really can't think of like an artist that you could 78 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: maybe educate me who was like another artist from Cony 79 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: Island to Ray Toray, who's now doing radio. Yes, he 80 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: was on a duckdown for a while. Up. Yeah, there's 81 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: not really that many. Because that's why I rep it 82 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: so hard man. And when I when I used to 83 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: deal with Riggs, Morales and Shady Records, I used to 84 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: run up over there. He was like, your name is 85 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: one of the best things you got going for you. 86 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: You're from You're from Brooklyn, but you're from a neighborhood 87 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: in Brooklyn that nobody ever blew up out of. Yet 88 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: you got And and even before that, I always everybody 89 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: knows of Coney Island. They think of the rides. I 90 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: just think of the Yeah, of course. But when there's 91 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: the rides, that's where Stephan Mulberry is from, right, step On. 92 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: I always think of When I think of Coney Island, 93 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: I think of Stephan Mulberry's tattoo. Yeah, yeah, there's Stephan Maulberry, 94 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: Sebastian Telfair and uh Lance Stevenson. Shout out to Lance Sebastian. 95 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: But he paid. He faced some fed chargers with him. 96 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: I was with him two nights ago. He's great, he's 97 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: doing great. I saw all those names. I was like, yeah, 98 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: I know y'all, Yo, I was like fucking shirts Friday. 99 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: I was like, yo, back. He was like yo. He's 100 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: like yo minus set back for a major comeback. And 101 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: my whole life I known him. He's done nothing. But 102 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: he played for my sons for like a one season. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 103 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: he played for probably every team in the NBA. But 104 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: you know he's, uh, he's one of my my closest friends. 105 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: He's he's he's one of my good friends. And uh, 106 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: he's gonna get through it. Man. Just you know we're talking. 107 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: You were saying, how you know, previously in your music 108 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: used to say the N word. Yeah, for people who 109 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: don't know what is your racial makeup. I'm Puerto Rican 110 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: and I'm Irish. My father who was Irish, passed away 111 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: when I was full. You know what I'm saying. I've 112 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: been around, but I'm I'm in New York. That's that's 113 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: how just people talk in general. Like even the white 114 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: guy said, the Asian people. You know, when you grow 115 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: up around in New York, there's no neighborhoods. That's just 116 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: one race. You live next door to, live next door 117 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: to to somebody from Pakistan, and your next neighbors from 118 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: from the a from from from China, your next door 119 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: other neighbor might be Dominican, but al it's like a 120 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: melting pot, you know what I'm saying, and and and 121 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: and Growing up, it was never even known that it 122 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: was a racial thing. That just became part of our vernacular, 123 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: how we speak to each other, and just growing up 124 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: it was never a problem. So I started doing tours 125 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: and going to other cities besides New York, and then 126 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: I would see people how they would react to me 127 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: saying it, because when you look at me, you might 128 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: see different people see different things. People see me staying 129 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: Puerto Rican. Some people see me some people think I'm Russian. 130 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: Some people think yeah, some people think I'm I'm Arab. 131 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: If you told me you were, like, you know, if 132 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: I came absolutely so it depends on what you see. 133 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: But if you look at me and see I'm white, 134 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: then you would have a problem saying it. And and 135 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not gonna go in and tell everybody, 136 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: y know, I'm from the hard Nah, it's just if 137 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: you don't like it, say son. Nobody never said nothing 138 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: to me a person, but as a man, and just 139 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: what I don't want to give people a shot of 140 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: not liking me before they even hear me. And more 141 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: importantly than that, I don't want to make anybody. I'm 142 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: at an agent and I'm growing up and being become 143 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: more mature with myself that I don't want to say 144 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: anything to somebody that's gonna offend them, you know, when 145 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: I don't have to like while I start off like 146 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: how when I grew up, I was had to be 147 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: tough and all that, But as I grow up, man, 148 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: I'd rather laugh at you than joke with you. I'd 149 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: rather talk about our similarities than our differences. And and 150 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: just the climate that the world is at right now. 151 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: I just was like, I'm cutting this off out of 152 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: my music and my last album, Congo is your first album. 153 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: That's my first album where I didn't use the word 154 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: because I'm maturing as a man but also as an artist, 155 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: and that just is there's no for me personally. I 156 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: don't have to say it, I'm I'm. I have a 157 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: vocabulary where I don't have to say it. You know 158 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I could I could kill verses and 159 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: kill balls without having that in my music, and like boom, 160 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: it's done. Talk to me about bing Bong and like 161 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: how the Knicks remix came to be and the bing 162 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: Bong stuff is, you're a Knicks fan obviously despite being 163 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: from Brooklyn. You you weren't one of these people who 164 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: jumped ship to the net of those Now I'm a 165 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: lifelonge Knicks fan. But I'm also if if the Nets 166 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: go to the playoffs, I'm rooting for them because I'm 167 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: Brooklyn all the way, even though they're really the Jersey 168 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: next listen to Brooklyn. Now they got Brooklyn in their name. 169 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: If they win, I'm in the roof for them, of course. 170 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: But I'm a Knicks fan and uh the Knicks being 171 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: ship forever for the longest. Yeah, So if I could, 172 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: if I created something that's making them get hype and 173 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: maybe possibly put the battery in their back to win 174 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: some games, I love it. But I just started off 175 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: saying it like messing around bing bong, you know, like 176 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: you know, you say, you know, I just bodied this 177 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: verse bong, you know, And then I just bing bong, 178 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: just playing around. I would throw it on my stories 179 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 1: on Instagram bing bong, showing my merch and then it 180 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: just took off. I started putting it on te's and 181 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: hats and started selling and and then I started the 182 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: side talk people, the side Talk kids, that's the popular 183 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: Instagram page pop and they would have me in their 184 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: video they come to Coney Island. I'm saying that bing bong, 185 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: bing bong. And then it just took off from there, 186 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,599 Speaker 1: and then the Knicks just took off with it. And 187 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: it just was was certain player that like, now, what 188 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: happened is that they was in front of the Knicks 189 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: opening night and the Knicks had won. Everybody in there 190 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: somebody said bing bang from seeing me saying it all 191 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: the time, and uh, and the Knicks just ran with it. 192 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: Took all the Knicks fans just ran with it. And 193 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: then now I'm starting I'm doing all types of sports 194 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 1: talk radio, little type of Carton and Robbers. They're showing 195 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: me love, They're bringing me up there, and I'm like, Yo, 196 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: there's a whole new fan base and genre just right 197 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: now in the airport. Come here. At least three to 198 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: four guys that I know don't even listen to rap 199 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: came up to me and Yo, you had a bing 200 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: bong guy. And last night at the show, somebody's kids 201 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: was he was like, Yo, my son their basketball team 202 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: is loves the Big Book cause you send me a 203 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: video my my, Yeah, no problem. You know I spent 204 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: years doing all I'm bringing negativity into the world, you know, 205 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: doing the wrong thing. Growing up at the jail time, 206 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: was doing robberies, do all types of stuff. So it's 207 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: a good chance to switch it up, man, and bring 208 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: some positive stuff into the into the atmosphere. Now, do 209 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: you feel like Nott the Cama? I was gonna say, 210 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: do you feel like, uh, just because you've always been 211 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: so nice man? But I always feel like, I don't know, 212 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: maybe it was the end word thing. I always just 213 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: felt like, what is the thing that's not like holding 214 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: me back? Yeah? Like do you feel like you're like 215 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: things are finally lining up for you? Absolutely? Because also 216 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: growing up as an artist, like I really lived this 217 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: fuck your life shit Like yo, I don't I don't 218 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: want to. I'm not a small talk I'm not a 219 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: good network. I'm not gonna approach you and tell you 220 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: y'all you know how you're doing now. If I don't 221 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: know you, I don't want to talk to you. I'm 222 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: a I'm a clothes I'm a loaner. I like to 223 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: you know, with my squad here, but I'm a loaner. 224 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I don't mind being alone. 225 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: I don't I don't like talking a lot, so I'm 226 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: six for four, three hundred pounds. People sometimes get intimidated 227 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: by that. They don't want to say nothing. And I 228 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: also move everything that I've gained done with the merger, 229 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: with the music I did on my own. There's no team, 230 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: there's no management, there's no label. I was doing that 231 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: all on my own. And you get a perception if 232 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 1: you just listen to my music, you think I'm an ignorant, 233 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: dick headish god type of guy. But now when I 234 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: do so I hate knowing podcast, but I do like 235 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: people I fuck with, I fucking show. I do certain 236 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: ones like Premium Pede my man, what I'm saying, And 237 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: once people the story of me, like I tell my 238 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: story because I've been at the bottom for a long time, 239 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: Like even before like I was doing robbery. I didn't 240 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: want to do robberies. It's just how I was fucked up. Man, 241 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: I was sleeping the staircases. I was at the bottom 242 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: of life. And once I told my story, like if 243 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: you really knew what I went through, people would have 244 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: no problem with me winning because I was at the 245 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: bottom bottom and I think as my people see me 246 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: as a person more, they relate to it, you know 247 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And that's the same thing DMX. Why 248 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: did we loved him because DMX didn't hold no punches. 249 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: He kept it real with who he was. And when 250 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: you do that, when you're humble, and the humble will 251 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: never be humiliated, you know what I'm saying. When you 252 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: just put all your shit out on front street, this 253 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,719 Speaker 1: is me taking a love it the lead. People respect that, 254 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: but even if they don't like it, they respect it. 255 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: And that's what I throw into my music. And that's 256 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: why people my music is getting better and better because people, 257 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: you know, I throw songs on that emotion. I tell 258 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: my story like and and people fuck with it. I 259 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: mean the ship that's always tell people you could be 260 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: relatable and the music being relatable to people. And if 261 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: the music and the talent you put those two things together. Absolutely, 262 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: if you're broke, rapper about being broke, man struggling, if 263 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: you live with your mom's yo, I live with my 264 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 1: mom trying to get the fuck out of here. If 265 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: you keep it really like I got a little cousin 266 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: that raps and I tell him, like he always talking 267 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 1: about shooting that you grew up with both parents in 268 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: a nice house. Like you know what I'm saying. What's 269 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: your thing? You like smoking weed and hanging out with girls? 270 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: About that? Just be yourself? We had this luckily. See 271 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: in the nineties and the earths, you at the front. 272 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: I'm the hardest rapper. It's hard to front now because 273 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: of social media. Exactly everybody, the whole world is transparent. Everybody, Yo, 274 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: Just be yourself. Don't take yourself too seriously. Nobody else does. Yo. 275 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: I feel like if you were in the nineties year, 276 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: it would have been over for you would have been 277 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: out of here. Oh what forget about it? What I 278 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 1: so you talk about doing like like sometime? What? What? 279 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: What was the reasons why you? Like? First of all, 280 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: what was the longest bis you did? I did a 281 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 1: one and a half to four and a half year 282 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: bid for robbery in the third degree. Was that this 283 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: was in six And what did you end up? I 284 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: wounded up only doing like thirteen months because I did 285 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: the first first first tund felling program, the shock program 286 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,719 Speaker 1: right where it's like a boot camp type of thing 287 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: because when I was doing the whole fight club ship battling, 288 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: I was on the run. I caught the case that 289 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: I got locked up for. Eventually I caught. I was 290 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: I did it three wow. I did a robbery. I 291 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: got caught and I got bailed out and just was like, well, 292 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: I'm not turning myself back and fuck that. And I 293 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: started doing the fight club. I kept winning. I'm all 294 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: over MTV. Shit's popping, and then I get caught. The 295 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: judge was like, yo, boom morning and alfter fall it. 296 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: But she said, since you stayed out of trouble for 297 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: four years, I'm gonna drop this to non violent. Wow. 298 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: So if it was a violent rewarded, if it would 299 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: have stayed a violent felony, then I wouldn't have been 300 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: able to get that first time felling program. But because 301 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: she dropped it to non violent, the one and that 302 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: if you have nine years under, they give you the chance. Yo, 303 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: you're first time feling, you do this this shock boot 304 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: camp type shit. It's still jailed, but it's like a 305 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: boot camp. You make up five am, you gotta run workout, 306 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: da da da. And I was like I didn't want 307 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: to do it, but I was like, yo, my career 308 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: has just started to take over now with the balance 309 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: all over MTV every single night. I was like, let 310 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: me give it a chance. If it works out, it 311 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: works out. If not, so I wounded up doing altogether 312 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: fourteen months. Came home on parole, stayed you know, grab 313 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: the Wizard Nada. I had the Wizardenator at the time 314 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: with the fake piss and uh it works, Huh absolutely 315 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: it was. It was fake pissed or like a fake 316 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: dick that it's a fake dick. See when I came home, 317 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: my guy just had got off a fed parole and 318 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: he was like, yo, hen I don't need this no more. 319 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: Take gave me the fake wid it. But the thing 320 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: was he was a couple of shades darkening me. Oh, 321 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: so you gotta you you you get the dick, you 322 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: buy the one that Yes, if the Wizardnata is a 323 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: is a plastic it's like a dildo, but it comes 324 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: with the power. You gotta strap it around you and 325 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: on the pouch like that goes along your waist is 326 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: you put clean urine into it. And when you go 327 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: to parole, it's like you're pulling out your dick because 328 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: they look at you. They stand behind you, and the 329 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: mirrors on the opposite side, so they look it into 330 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: the mirror. But on the bottom of the fake dick 331 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: is a button and the clean piss comes out of 332 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: it and it stays against your body so it keeps 333 00:15:55,320 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: the same body temperature warm. So my man, they gave 334 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: it to me like a little bit darker than me. 335 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: So the ship was a little bit darker. I don't 336 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: I don't know how I got away with it. But 337 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: one time they didn't take my piss for like three months. 338 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: Me stupid. I kept the same pissing there. I didn't 339 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: change it, and like whatever. So I went to parole. 340 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: He asked for the urine. I pressed the button. Sh 341 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: came out like apple sauce. I was like, oh, ship, 342 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: he said, yo. He tested it, put a little strip 343 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: in it. He said, yo, it's clean. But I need 344 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: you to go straight to the hospital when you get 345 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: the fuck out of there, because something's not right. I 346 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: was like, sorry, sir, I just don't drink a lot 347 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: of water. I'm going straight to the hospital whatever the case. 348 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And he let me go, 349 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: and I was like, thank God, empty that ship out. 350 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: Put some guy some clean pits put it in there. 351 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: But yo, that she was crazy. Even me, I was like, 352 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: what the fuck is it? Yeah? So you you came 353 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: out lumpiest thing. It was hard like you like, sir, 354 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: yeah you got cancer, you got something going on with 355 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: your yo to the hospital. You're clean, but this guy 356 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: had frozen. It came out lumpy. Yeah, that was horrible. 357 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: It's funny you look back on times like that. It 358 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: was funny. It wasn't it was, but I don't even remember. 359 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: I was taking pics from anybody. Would you pay people 360 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: for their pistiness? Yeah? Hell yeah, hell y'all, I got 361 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: y'all take a piss in this fucking bottle for me. 362 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: That's crazy. And it comes with like a syringer to 363 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: take it out the fucking cup or whatever, and then 364 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: you put it into the fucking wizard there. That ship 365 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: was a fucking hassle. You know, it would be easy 366 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: if I just didn't do anything. Well, now you're not. 367 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: You don't do anything, So now you're telling me with 368 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: this fucking ape ship man, that's tobacco. Now that tobacco. 369 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, wait, hold on, time to stop the interview 370 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: because we got to talk about our good folks at 371 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: odd Socks. Man, listen, if you go to odd socksofficial 372 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: dot com, that's O D D s o xofficial dot com. 373 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: Use the keyword keyword. It's a fucking promo code. Use 374 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: the fucking promo code. Bootleg cav all right, at check out, 375 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: you'll save twenty percent off. They got Look at these 376 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: SpongeBob joints. 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Fuck boot black cab at checkout, 386 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: save twenty percent off. Man, shout out to our family 387 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: at odd socks. If you support us, go support them 388 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: at everything I did man, Like cigarettes have been the 389 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: fucking hortest. But this vape shit you are smoking on 390 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: the plane, you know, chill out smoking on the fucking 391 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: put in my hoodie, yo, like a real fuck? What 392 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: was like? Was we something that you we? Was just 393 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: like everything I was doing. I didn't smoke crack and 394 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: I didn't shoot needles. Everything well, and meth is not 395 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: really on the East Coast, but everything else you were participating. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 396 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: I was sniffing dope like like like sniffing coke, taking 397 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: Xanax before it was poppedd you sniff Heroin? Yeah, ye yeah, 398 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: oh shout for for a while. Yeah, that's that brought 399 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: me to the bottle man. I was like, I never 400 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: shot no needles though, like and I never so that 401 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: was my thing in my head, like I'm not shooting needles. 402 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: I'm good, you know what I'm saying. Oh, Heroin's like this, 403 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: that's some serious shit to get off those crazy bro. 404 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 1: How long were you doing Heroin? Probably like eight years? 405 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: And I did the whole of the fight club shit. 406 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 1: All of that shit was was fucked up. I would go, yo, listen, 407 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: I would go. I remember I went on a specific 408 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: trip to Detroit to battle with Proof and all of that. 409 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: I don't remember anything that happened on the trip. I 410 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: don't If it wasn't recorded, I wouldn't even know I 411 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: went there. Wow. When I first met Alchemist, I was like, yo, aw, 412 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: nice to meet you. He was like, I've been fucking 413 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: with you since we met in Detroit. I was like, damn, 414 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: I don't remember that. Wow, I don't remember meeting one 415 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: of my favorite producers, rass Cast, same thing. He was 416 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 1: out there Detroit judging the battle and he was like, 417 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: yo oh I mentioned in Deru. I was like, I 418 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: don't even remember. I wasn't even known I was out there. 419 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: I mean, eight years is a long time. Yeah, Because 420 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: it wasn't just that, It was that coke and the 421 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: xanax just make you forget everything. Like so, by the 422 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,239 Speaker 1: end of the run, I was on everything. I was 423 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: on probably about two bundles of dopeer day, five twenties 424 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:22,239 Speaker 1: of coke, and about five xanax every single day. It 425 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: wasn't like I was working, you know what I'm saying. 426 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: I would wake up every day like, y'all, I gotta 427 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: go out and get this money, however it means necessary robbing, 428 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, you feel like you were 429 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: working to keep your drug drug. Absolutely, I had a 430 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: fucking three four hundred dollars a day habit with no job, 431 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: nothing that. So people always say, if you have an addiction, 432 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure like you probably apply to a sex addiction too. Like, 433 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: if you have any sort of addiction, right, you got 434 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: to work on yourself constantly, work ethic to get high 435 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: every day. It's exasing, right, It's like yeah, like imagine 436 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: if like most people who had that work ethic to 437 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: get high every day and still be semi like exactly, 438 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: they applied it to literally anything else. That's what I'm 439 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: doing now. You never did you ever smoke crack? No? Never, no, never. 440 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: I just I've always I want to know what crack 441 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: feels like. Nah, watched I watched, I watched it. I 442 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 1: watched that ship Franklin Safe when girl yeah yeah, yeah, 443 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: she was hitting the crack pipe in the show, I said, shit, 444 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: look like it's fire. But yeah. Now I'm at the 445 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: point where I've been clean over twelve years. It's longer 446 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: than when I was fucked up with you know what 447 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: I'm saying, What was like for you? The breaking point 448 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: where you were like I gotta get the ship, take 449 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: care of the ship. Man. I had, like the fight 450 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 1: club stuff was going on. I had a development deal 451 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: with Shady Records. There was like your names, you love 452 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: your music, like, but you're going in and out of 453 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: jail because I would do besides the main ship. I 454 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: would do like little skid bids, like I would go 455 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: to Rikers for two weeks, Rikers for a month. Come out. 456 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: You know you're going in and out of jail. We 457 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: take you to places. Sometimes you don't show up. When 458 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: you do show up, you fucking you run outside, you 459 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: rob people outside the studio. You're doing like I was 460 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: just like living crazy. Yeah, yeah, this is you never 461 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: had any instance we thought you overdosed or gotten close 462 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 1: to like this is back then. It wasn't like the 463 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: fetanyel shit now, like you know what I'm saying it was. 464 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 1: It was different and I never when I dealt with people, 465 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 1: I dealt with people I knew that I grew up 466 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: with from Coney Island, you know what I'm saying. Like, 467 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: And it wasn't like luckily I didn't have to go 468 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: through none of that. Was that getting off of the 469 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: shit hard, going through with draws and it was but 470 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: the last year or two of my of my my addiction, 471 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 1: I was like, yo, I didn't want to do it. It 472 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 1: It was just more like a job. It was like, yo, 473 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: if I'm ever able to stop doing this for a 474 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 1: couple of days when I'm not sick anymore, like I'm 475 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: never gonna do this again. I'm so tired of living 476 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: this lifestyle. But I also had given up on my 477 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 1: dreams with the rap shit like I I didn't want 478 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: I didn't care about nothing but getting high, like and 479 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 1: then it just had like a moment of clarity. One 480 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 1: day I was on like a three week run, like 481 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: I hadn't slept, I hadn't shower, with none of that, 482 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: and I was like I had like a I don't 483 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 1: know if it was like coasist or like out of 484 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: body experience where I was like I could keep going 485 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: how I'm going right now, and I'm gonna be dead 486 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 1: or going to be in jail the rest of my 487 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: life from doing something stupid. I could just stop right 488 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: now and live my dreams like like I had ready 489 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,239 Speaker 1: giving up on my dreams. And that night I went 490 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: to my mother's house. She was living in Staten Island. 491 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: I was in Coney Island. At the time, I was like, yo, Ma, 492 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: please let me just stay at your house. She was like, nah, 493 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: you can't. She been not letting me. She was, but something. 494 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: She let me stay, and uh, I just kept the 495 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: wheels going. I stopped one day too. I had to 496 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: go through it. And when I got through it, though, 497 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: I never touched nothing again nothing now, not a drink, 498 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: not we eat, nothing. So you've been totally sober. Ye 499 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: nothing nothing. Wow, that's that's real, big man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 500 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: And and the evidence is there since I stopped that. 501 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: My whole fucking life is you know, like I bought 502 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: my mom's a house, got me a house. God fucking 503 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: right now they're putting us in ground saltwater pool in 504 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: my backyards right now. They're doing it as we speak. 505 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: And and you're still no, no, no. I bought a 506 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: house in stat which is like twenty minutes. It's close 507 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: enough that when I want to hang out and be be, 508 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: you know, be a hood bugger, do hood stuff with 509 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: my hood friends. You know what I'm saying, like, yeah, 510 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,239 Speaker 1: we we we cauld move over there. And and when 511 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: I want to be left alone, go to the crib, 512 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: go to the crib. That's it. I didn't know you 513 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: had a developmental deal with Shady. Yeah. Yeah, I was 514 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: dealing with Riggs, Riggs and morales Man. So that my 515 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: guy was that who kind of found you. Yeah, he 516 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: because he was he was he started the fight club. 517 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 1: Nobody really knows that he started the fight club, and 518 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 1: so he was heavily involved with it, so he would 519 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: see he had like a front row seat too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 520 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: how you got down. Absolutely. I still talk with Riggs 521 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: to this day. Man, he's always He's always shown love 522 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,479 Speaker 1: and been in my corner even like you know, without 523 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,719 Speaker 1: did you ever have any any any experience like meet 524 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: and him or am I didn't meet the rest of 525 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: D twelve, fucked with Heavy, go to Detroit and the 526 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 1: regular Bazaar would take fly me out, Fucking Proof would 527 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: fly me out. Rest in peace. He's all of them, McVeigh, Swifty, 528 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: they all I still talk with Swifty, uh and Canive. 529 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like I fuck with them Heavy, like, 530 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: but I never met him. They always like em like 531 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: he's secluded, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's crazy. 532 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: He's like one of the only rappers that like made 533 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: it and just didn't leave. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but like 534 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: also feels like untouchable in the sense because you would think, 535 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 1: like if you're that big out of Detroit, you wouldn't 536 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 1: get the fuck out of the true fact he's staying 537 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: in fact, and like, no, I do know in Detroit 538 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: for me the limited times I'm out there, I don't 539 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: know the politics or street probably, but I do know 540 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: like a lot of people know each other. Mostly people 541 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: know each other. And Trick, Trick is really that guy 542 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:48,479 Speaker 1: out there. Sure, I'm saying crazy scene and Trick is close, 543 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So he's like something good 544 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: money you Fat Joe just showed you some love. They 545 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: asked him. We cracked. Who are what they asking? That's 546 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: pretty much who was like today's fat Joe. But they 547 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: asked him a whole array of who's the new whow this? That? That? That? 548 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: And they asked me, is there new? Yeah, there's a 549 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: new faedual. His name is names out of Corney Allen 550 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, that's crazy. So you you 551 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: and Joe got a relationship, Yeah, Joe, Uh, I mean 552 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: we're not super close. I've I've hung out with him 553 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: on different occasions, like we've gone to shows and through 554 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: my man Ufo feed. My man Ufo feed really made 555 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: the introduction and and me and Fever was doing a 556 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: lot do a lot of music. And when he made 557 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: the introduction with with with Joe Crack, I called him 558 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: crack you know what I'm saying. But when he made 559 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: the introduction with crack cracks and showed me love automatically, 560 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: and then from me being around him more and you 561 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: see how movie follows me, you know, and he's we 562 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: speak through the d m s and and even his 563 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: team like Uncle Dan and a couple of days they 564 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: fuck with me. They showed me mad love. So I 565 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: guess from just from him observing and watching and he 566 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: you know, he's he's. He had told me that before 567 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: he said it on the TV, like you'd be like 568 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: your names you Mimy and me when I was younger man, 569 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: a couple of times he told me that. But for 570 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: him to say it on Rap City's first episode, yeah, 571 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:05,959 Speaker 1: I didn't even know he was doing that, and my 572 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: phone just started blowing up, like y'all fat Joe just 573 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: said that. Look, I said, Yo, that's I think one 574 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: of the only times in my throughout this Rap shit 575 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: that I actually like almost I didn't cry, but I 576 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: almost shed a tear out of just pure I grew 577 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: up listening to Fat Joe Big Pun is my favorite art, 578 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: especially being a Puerto Rican from New York. Like they 579 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: held it down, like especially in my era when I 580 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 1: was they was them guys. So when he said that, 581 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: it was more like validation, like from all this hard 582 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: work because me, I'm my own worst critic, I still 583 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: grind every day like I'm like nothing, Like I'm still 584 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: like nobody knows me, you know what I'm saying. I 585 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 1: look at it like, bro, I have not reached where 586 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: I want to be in this music stuff, so I 587 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 1: still act like nobody knows me. And I got to 588 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: make an impression every single time, and I got to 589 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: put into work every single day to live my dreams 590 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: to the extent that I want to live it. So 591 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: when he said that, it was like validation, Like, Yo, 592 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 1: somebody's out there watching, especially somebody who especially one hundred 593 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: percent like and you know, I got a little watery ey. 594 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: I ain't shed a tear, you know what I'm saying 595 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: over here, But like it was it was like it 596 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: was one of the best moments of my career. Man, 597 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: what's next for you? Are you gonna keep just kind 598 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: of keep keep your foot on the gas with music. Well, 599 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: next is me and Scram Jones dropping the album. That 600 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: ship is ridiculous. It's just stupid, hard, just hard. I 601 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: think he's one of the slept on producers. Yeah, yeah, 602 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: I knew Scram since he was there from the beginning. 603 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: Like when I first started, I don't know, he was lapping. 604 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: Scram is nasty. A lot of people don't know. And 605 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: one of the things that's holding up the album is 606 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: like Scream, we gotta get a joint, me and you. 607 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: I'm not right and like Scam, let's go bro with 608 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: the verse on the ship. Let's go. But he's nice 609 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: and a lot of mcs that I know for sure, 610 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: but his beats and that's the next project after that, 611 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,959 Speaker 1: probably me a static selected nice shot static, and then 612 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: we're just taking it from them. There it is, man, listen, 613 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: congoes out out right now. Fuck your life, Fuck your life? 614 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: Is there anybody any Let me ask you this because 615 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: since the pandemic started, I feel like I always say this, 616 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:24,479 Speaker 1: like I feel like it helped with the bars in 617 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: terms of fans, wanting that or wanting more substance, or 618 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: wanting more from music, because motherfuckers weren't in the club 619 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: standing on couches popping bottles. So you saw Benny and 620 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: Westside Gunn and Freddie Gibbs, all these people have the 621 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: best years of their career. Royster five nine was nominated 622 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: for a Grammy. You know what I'm saying, Like, do 623 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: you feel like that the pandemic helped kind of like 624 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: correct the path that hip hop was on because it 625 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: feels like absolutely, man, absolutely, that's listen. Everything has its 626 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: cycle facts, you know. So it was already gearing back 627 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: towards the lyric in music and the stuff that I'm 628 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: show me and you grew up listening to. But the 629 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: pandemic pushed it forward like a little like made it 630 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: rapidly and speed up the process. Yeah, and it's great, 631 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: great time. I never stopped doing this, even when people 632 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: were snapping their fingers bouncing. I was always doing the 633 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: hype of music, man, And the people know that, and 634 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: and and and and they respect when the transparency and 635 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: when you fucking continuously do something no matter what, if 636 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: you show consistency and just keep at it, something's gonna 637 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: happen out of it in the positive manner. Where can 638 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: people buy merch? Find your ship? Because you got so 639 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: much every day anybody, I f y L dot n 640 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: y c. Because if you got a dot calm, you pussy. 641 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, n y C. Yeah, go 642 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: buy a hat, Go buy a buy some merch. Stop 643 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: being a cheap fuck your whole life so your girl 644 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: hate you. Go buy a Godzilla his pussy shirt facts 645 00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: relaship Boom Bom