1 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Welcome in another edition of the OG Podcast. I'm your 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 1: host nd Cloud sitting across from me, a good friend 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: of mine that I just missed playing with as he's 4 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: a young buck. He's a young OG drafted in two 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: thousand and nine and that's the year that I called 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: it quits, or my body called it quits, but that's 7 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: when he got his NFL career started. But luckily for me, 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: you've had a chance to really get to know this 9 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: brother over the years and we have some like interest 10 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: both business owners, which we'll discuss later in the show. 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: But my man, Anthony Hill sitting in for the OG Podcast. 12 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: What's going on? Anthony? 13 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 3: What's going on? Indy? I appreciate you for having me here. 14 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, I appreciate you coming in because I know 15 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: how busy you are, not just raising a young king, 16 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: your young son, but also running a company and all 17 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 1: the things that you got going on. So we'll discuss that, 18 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: but definitely definitely appreciate you coming in now. I've had 19 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: a bunch of friends because it's a common name named Anthony, 20 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: and more than half of them their nickname is Aunt. 21 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: But you staying in six six, two hundred and seventy 22 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: plus pounds. Did they ever call you aunts? Growing up? 23 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 4: They called me aunt Hill, they called me a Hill 24 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 4: and called me little A is mine. That was when 25 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 4: I was raised. My main name was little A because 26 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 4: my dad name was Anthony. 27 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: Now your dad made soul rest in peace. I know 28 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: he's no longer with us here. It was it was 29 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: he a big guy in stature like you. 30 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 4: He was about six three where I'm about six five 31 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 4: sixty six time, and so I was always bigger than him. 32 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 4: So I was the one that was like, hey, you're 33 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 4: gonna start calling me big A now instead of little A. 34 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 4: And I bet that never happened. 35 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 3: Absolutely never got any trash. 36 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: That never happened. You know, let's get into it. Because 37 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: you're from the you know, this is another question. We 38 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: just have fun here OG podcast. We don't get too technical, uh, 39 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: you know, two former players just chopping it up. As 40 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: I like to say. Now, you're from Houston, slash around areas. 41 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: I grew up in San Antonio. I fell in love 42 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: with Houston when you know, I first visited Rice University 43 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: and I knew this was going to be home. I 44 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: want to ask you because we have this debate sometimes 45 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: if you're not from Houston proper. When you leave, do 46 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: you claim Houston? And what I mean by that where 47 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: did you officially grow up? 48 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 4: Okay, so so I'm originally from Dickinson. That's my whole 49 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 4: family is Dickinson, Texas. I went to school in friends Wood. 50 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 4: I went to high school at Clearbrook High School. When 51 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 4: I left and went to NC State. Yes, I claimed. 52 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 1: That it makes sense because somebody from outside of Texas might 53 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:46,119 Speaker 1: not know friends exactly. 54 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the main thing. Nobody knows where Dickinson 55 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 4: or Friendswood is and so yeah, yeah, being in college, 56 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 4: I think a lot of guys will hear friends with. 57 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 4: Are you from Friendlywood, You're from friend you know whatever? 58 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 3: Like I don't know, man, I'm from friends With. 59 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: So they're gonna test your gangs on the field like 60 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: friends would. That don't sound hard because I know guys 61 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: And again it's a fun argument. Who are from Katie 62 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 1: But when they leave they say Houston. But then people 63 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: who are truly from Houston I'm talking about inside the 64 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: six ' ten loops Sunnyside, South Union, They're like, nah, 65 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: you can't claim Houston, right, Yeah, but but guys like 66 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: you are claiming Houston outside of the state. It's only 67 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: a good thing for the city. So how'd you go 68 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: from Friendswood to Hardgrave Military Academy which is in Virginia 69 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: to North Carolina? Like that took you, That took you 70 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: all over. 71 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 4: Definitely, Definitely it was a It was definitely a wake 72 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 4: up call. So you know, I was here, I was 73 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 4: here in Houston, I was going to Clearbrook. Had a 74 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 4: good friend of mine, a childhood friend of mine that 75 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 4: went to n C State as well and also went 76 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 4: to Hardgrave. Okay, and so I mean when you go 77 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 4: to Hardgrave, you go to hard Grave for two different reasons. 78 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 4: You need to go for you know, you need some 79 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 4: you need to make up some grades or you need 80 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 4: to get some higher test scores or whatever that case 81 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 4: may be. 82 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 3: Or you want a second look. You want a second look. 83 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 4: You want people to see you in a bigger light 84 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 4: because it's a you know, it's a very well known 85 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,119 Speaker 4: football school as well. 86 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 3: And so. 87 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 4: My buddy told me that he thought it was a 88 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 4: great idea Hardgrave had. Like I believe the year that 89 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 4: I was there, we had ninety five percent of the 90 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 4: athletes went Division one football. 91 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 3: And so. 92 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought it was a great opportunity to show 93 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 4: that I was better than what I had shown. 94 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, because for ninety five percent, 95 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: and I don't think people realize how high of a 96 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: number that is to go D one, do you have 97 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: to be accepted to go there? Because it sounds like 98 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: you can't just walk off the street and go to herd. 99 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, you have to be accepted there. Actually I 100 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 4: was accepted verbally, uh, declined with a letter. And you know, 101 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 4: I praise God for my mother. She she actually called 102 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 4: the chairman and she said, hey, you know, I know 103 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 4: you sent this letter. I see your signature on the 104 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 4: bottom of it, you know, and she she she gave 105 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 4: him a scripture and uh, she said, I'd like, you know, 106 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 4: I'd ask for you to reopen my case. And uh, 107 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 4: you know, basically that I was going there. She she 108 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 4: told the chairman, Yes, you know, I will be going there, 109 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 4: and uh, seven days later we got a letter that 110 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 4: said you have been accepted. 111 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: It was it was it was unreal like did she say, hey, 112 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: your word is supposed to be your bond type deal. 113 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: Was that part of the conversation or there? 114 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 4: You know what, there's a scripture and I hate you know, 115 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 4: I know the scripture, but there is a scripture that 116 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 4: she recited to him, you know, she she gave him. 117 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 3: A scripture out of the Bible and uh. 118 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 4: She told him that I was going and told him 119 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 4: to reopen my file please, and uh he reopened it. 120 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 4: And literally seven days later I was getting an acceptance 121 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 4: letters and you have been accepted. Amen, now amen, yeah, 122 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 4: right right now. Little did I know that going there? 123 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 4: First off, it was all boys school. It was in 124 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 4: the middle of nowhere. H One of our things that 125 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 4: we did outside we we we uh go and run 126 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 4: around in the Kyle fields. Basically there's nothing to do 127 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 4: there was there was one McDonald's. But I will say 128 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 4: it talked so much, so much discipline, the discipline and 129 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 4: you know, everything that hard Grave instilled into me helped 130 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 4: me out to be a better man in the in 131 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 4: the long run. 132 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: You know, when I'm raising two boys, you have a 133 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: young boy, young boy, young son. And when I think 134 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: of military school, when I think about that experience, just 135 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: forget football, Like, are there things that you learned there 136 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: or experienced there that you carried into manhood? 137 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 3: Definitely? Oh man, definitely definitely. 138 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 4: So first off, you wake up to a horn at 139 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,239 Speaker 4: about five am every morning. 140 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:20,559 Speaker 2: Wow. 141 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 3: Uh, you wake up. 142 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 4: And you have to brush your teeth, wash your face, 143 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 4: make your bed, get dressed, and be downstairs in your 144 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,679 Speaker 4: battalion group. So I believe our battalion was. I believe 145 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 4: we were the golf company. Yeah, we were golf company. 146 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 4: And then you have to report and you have to 147 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 4: say that you know everyone's accounted for, and then you 148 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,119 Speaker 4: have to march to breakfast. Oh yeah, oh yeah, Okay, 149 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 4: you're in you're in a full on uniform. Yeah, you're 150 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 4: in a you're in a uniform. Uh, you have to 151 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 4: march I mean left right. You know, if you if 152 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 4: you get in trouble or anything like that, you have 153 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 4: to march the bull ring for hour. It may be 154 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 4: like a thirty by thirty by thirty square and you 155 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 4: have to march that bull ring. And uh, we be 156 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 4: in like dress shoes. I mean we were sharp, but 157 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 4: you know, it was it was. It was a heck 158 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 4: of an experience. And I think the biggest thing that 159 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 4: I can take into uh manhood is the level of 160 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 4: discipline that was there. And just you know, hey, look, 161 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 4: you know you have to get up, you have to go, 162 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 4: you have to make your bed, you got to you know, 163 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 4: you have to get up and do these things as 164 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 4: a man, and so going and it was very, very tough. 165 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say that it was. It was very tough. 166 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 4: We did three of days we had to hike up 167 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 4: a hill to go to practice, like a like a 168 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 4: half a mile to a mile. 169 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 3: But it just became easy. 170 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 4: And so the things that are tough now are still 171 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 4: easy because it's like, yeah, you know, nobody went through 172 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 4: the stuff that I've been through, you know, and so yeah, 173 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 4: so that's one of the biggest things that I've taken too. 174 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 3: That. 175 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got so many questions in common off that, like, 176 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: that's such. So let me just start with my comment. 177 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: I know this will never happen, and it may seem 178 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: somewhat controversial, every boy in America should have to spend 179 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: a year doing something similar, definitely, especially today. And again 180 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: it's a pipe dream, but every boy, I'm saying, boy 181 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: pre adulthood should spend a year doing that, and I 182 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: think they would appreciate the comforts of life a little more. 183 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 3: In the long run, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah, in 184 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 3: the long run. 185 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 4: I mean, there's no phones, there's no you know, you 186 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 4: you use a payphone, you gotta have your haircut, shave, 187 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 4: you gotta be cleaned. I mean, it's it's it's everything. 188 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 4: It's it's discipline at its finest. Were there times where 189 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 4: you're like, this isn't for me. So you asked the 190 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 4: question earlier. I don't know if I answered, yeah, well 191 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 4: I did. Yes, you have to be accepted, but you 192 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 4: still have to pay some sort of amount, and so 193 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 4: we didn't. We didn't necessarily have those that type of money, 194 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 4: and so we did still find a way to pay it. 195 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 4: So I knew there was no walking away. There was 196 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 4: no walking away. My mom was my mom would probably no. 197 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 2: Way. 198 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 4: So so really, quitting wasn't an option. So did a 199 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 4: lot of guys quit? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, we 200 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 4: had a We had a lot of guys quit. We 201 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 4: had a guy he was he was the number one 202 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 4: defensive tackle in the nation. He quit after two days. 203 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 4: You know, we had we had a lot of guys 204 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 4: that quit. But it just it just wasn't an option 205 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 4: for me. 206 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 1: So this particular guy, we won't say his name, did 207 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: you ever follow to see what happened? 208 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 4: Whatever happened, Yeah, nothing, yeah, definitely no, no, no, But 209 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 4: but I mean that's the thing. You know, I think, 210 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 4: I think, uh, I think sometimes quittin can be contagious 211 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 4: as well, where you know, if you allow you you know, 212 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 4: if you allow yourself to quit, you know, I think 213 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 4: you'll quit again, and you'll quit and you'll quit again. 214 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's strong, that's strong what you said quitting 215 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: can be contagious. So with that being said, then you 216 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: go on to have obviously a great career at NC 217 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: State or you're not going in the fourth round to 218 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 1: the NFL. So we'll assume you took care of business 219 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: there as a guy who went through that, and then 220 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 1: you went to NC State. What do you think about 221 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: the current state of college football where the portal and 222 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,599 Speaker 1: people always and I think they're a little bit incorrect, 223 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: and I know they indirectly affect each other. In my opinion, 224 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: people always use the portal and nil like in the 225 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: same breath, and I'm like, that's two different things. But 226 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: I get people hit the portal do that in il. 227 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: So with all my rambling going on with a guy 228 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: who stuck through a very tough year just to get 229 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: to college, which isn't easy, especially you know when you 230 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: played not today's college football, I just want your thoughts 231 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: on the current state of college football and the transfer portal. 232 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 4: It's it's tough, you know, I you know, for someone 233 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 4: that didn't have the option to uh just go to 234 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 4: another school, just because back then the rules were you 235 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 4: have to sit a year out if you were in conference. 236 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,359 Speaker 3: I believe it was two years. 237 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 4: You had to sit out. You know, I think that 238 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 4: I think the biggest part to me is what's fair. 239 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 4: What's fair to the kids, because those are the you know, 240 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 4: those are the kids that are you know, the kids 241 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 4: on the field. Those are the kids that are that 242 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 4: are that are grinding day in and day out. Not 243 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 4: saying that the coaches don't do anything, because I think 244 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 4: having a great coaches is essential. But my only you know, 245 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 4: the thing that I go back and forth on is 246 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 4: just it's just what is fair and what's not fair? 247 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 4: Uh Me personally, I I wish they could post date 248 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 4: from back with me you were. 249 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 2: Playing and say, hey, look, you know, you know you 250 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:55,239 Speaker 2: guys deserve. 251 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 3: A check as well. 252 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 4: But no, you know, I I think they're as far 253 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 4: as a portal, that's a that's a tough thing because 254 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 4: it's hard to see that kids are committed or they 255 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 4: aren't committed on the on the flip side of it, 256 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 4: I think coaches. 257 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 3: Have been doing it for years and years and years. 258 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 2: You know. 259 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 4: Coaches they go from within the conference and they leave 260 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 4: today and they're getting a signing bonus tomorrow. So one 261 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 4: of just just a quick story. So I remember my 262 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 4: last game that I played with n C State. Uh 263 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 4: Me and my buddy Andre Brown. We were sitting in 264 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 4: the end zone before the game and we were just 265 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 4: kneeling and we were looking into the stands because we 266 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 4: knew that this was our last home game. And I 267 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 4: was just like pointing out how many of my jerseys 268 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 4: that I saw, you know, And I was like, I 269 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 4: was like, man, look at all of your jerseys. Look 270 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 4: at all of my jerseys. And I mean it was 271 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 4: thousands of jerseys that were in the stands. And I 272 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 4: was saying to myself, well, well hold up. You know, 273 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 4: I was like, man, you know, I went to the 274 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 4: bookstore and I'm like, these jerseys are eighty five dollars 275 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 4: each and some of them are even more than that. 276 00:13:58,120 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 3: I was like, man, I wish, you know, you know, 277 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 3: I wish. 278 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 4: That I was able to get some of those funds, 279 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 4: you know, I wish I could make, you know, even 280 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 4: if it were a percentage, you know, And so I 281 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 4: I don't necessarily agree with it, but I don't not 282 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 4: agree with it, you know. I think that it'll continue 283 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 4: to get better as the as the years go. 284 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 3: On and go on and go on. 285 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like they created this monster because I was 286 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: all about, you know, free capitalism. I'm all for it, 287 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: that's the American dream. But when I see kids go 288 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: from one school to another just to collect the bag, 289 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like it's college athletics. But who am 290 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: I to say this young man who's honed this skill 291 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: and he's worked this gift shouldn't get paid for it. 292 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: But I believe it's the problem we see now because 293 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: of the story you just told. If at that time 294 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: they had something in place where if somebody's buying an 295 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: Anthony Hill jersey, he absolutely, even if it's ten percent 296 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: of the sales, should get a piece of it. If 297 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: or and I don't know, you're probably too young to 298 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: remember this. The UNLV basketball team back in the eighties 299 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: when I was young, Stacey aug and Larry Johnson. I mean, 300 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: they they were when I was a kid watching TV 301 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: like they were stars, and they were in college, just 302 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: their style of play, and it was against the rule 303 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: for them, with their entrepreneurial spirit to create T shirts 304 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: and sell them for them. 305 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 2: So it was against the rules. 306 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: But yet they're walking in the malls, not not school bookstore, 307 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: the malls, but they're seeing people probleming off T shirts 308 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: with their likeness so like, with their likeness on. So 309 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: I feel like they created that issue. And I don't 310 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: want to get too deep down this, but it's cool 311 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: to hear a story like you actually experienced it. 312 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 2: Like hold on. 313 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: At first, you're like, oh, that's cool, that's my jersey. 314 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: Then you're like, hold on, hockey's got limps right, and 315 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: the bookstore is selling this for eighty five. 316 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 4: I am struggling. We are struggling in college. I have 317 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 4: no extra money, no anything. I'm like this, I see 318 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 4: thousands of my jerseys up here. 319 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: You know. Yeah. So yeah, So hopefully they get it right. 320 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 3: I think they'll get it right eventually. 321 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: They'll have to, because some of the stories that I'm 322 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: hearing it's just not sustainable. 323 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 2: All right, Well, what is sustainable? 324 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: The Houston Texans and their success under our boy Demico 325 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: Ryan just kind of talk about, you know, what you've 326 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: seen and you know, some of the experiences you've had 327 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: now that we're watching this, this organization literally turn around. 328 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, definitely, no man, I think it's I think 329 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 4: it's awesome. I think I think Demiko I know, when 330 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 4: I played, I know, Demiko was always a leader. 331 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 3: He was always you know, a headstrong guy. Wasn't a follower. 332 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 4: I knew that I could, you know, I could actually 333 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 4: cling to him a little bit more. And you know, 334 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 4: I personally remember him inviting me to church, uh before, 335 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 4: and like, hey man, you know, you know, hey, look, 336 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 4: you know it's off season, you'll want to go to church. 337 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 4: And I'm like, what are you talking about? You know 338 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 4: what which I you know, I was going to church then, 339 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 4: but I was like no one else in the locker 340 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 4: room and speaking like that, you know, at least you know, consistently, 341 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 4: as you know, as he was and just you know, 342 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 4: and and then on the field, he was he was 343 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 4: such a he was such a great player. So I mean, 344 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 4: he seems so easy to want to play for. And 345 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 4: it seems like that the guys today, they I mean, 346 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 4: they just want to play for him, you know that, 347 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:23,959 Speaker 4: you know, they want to make him happy. And he 348 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 4: is jumping up and down as if he was currently playing. 349 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 4: You know, he's he looks like he could still play, honestly, So, 350 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 4: you know, nothing, I have nothing but great things, great 351 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 4: you know, great feelings whenever he came back, you know, 352 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 4: just just just him being a real person, him being 353 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 4: personal with him actually approaching all of the former players 354 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 4: and saying, hey, you know, you know, is there something 355 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 4: that that I can do to help you guys out, 356 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 4: or is there something that you guys want to do, 357 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 4: you know, anything that you guys have in mind. I 358 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 4: just thought that was just amazing and so just looking 359 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 4: at the organization now, just like man, you know, he 360 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 4: just came in and lit this fire, and it just 361 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 4: seems like the fans are just so excited, and you know, 362 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 4: I mean, we're we're, we're you know, we're in. 363 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 2: The West clubb you know. 364 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's just everyone's high five and the 365 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 4: going crazy. And you know, I think that that's just 366 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 4: a trickle down effect of how impactful he is and 367 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 4: how he brings it to the players and then the players, 368 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 4: it goes through the players to the fans and it's 369 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 4: just you know, throughout the whole U City of Houston, 370 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 4: you know, you know, and just just to all of 371 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 4: the fans, you know, it's just it's just insane. 372 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: Obviously he gets a lot of the credit. I think 373 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: the McNair families should get a lot of the credit 374 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: as well. But this is a quarterback league, and when 375 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: you look at what CJ. Stroud has done as a rookie, 376 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: do you think that's sustainable? Like, are you are you optimistically? 377 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: Are you consciously optimistic? I should say? Or do you 378 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: are you confident in saying no, He's just going to 379 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: continue to grow. 380 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 4: I think he's just I think he's just getting started. 381 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 4: I truly do think he's just getting started. He's I mean, 382 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 4: he doesn't look like a first year player, and you know, 383 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 4: you know, even if you just hear him talk, you know, 384 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 4: if you just hear him speak, if you look at 385 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 4: some of his interviews, if you if you are at 386 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 4: an event and he has to say something, I mean, 387 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 4: he doesn't sound like a first year player. He doesn't 388 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 4: act like a first year player, and he doesn't play 389 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 4: like a first year player. So I definitely just think 390 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 4: he's going to continue to get better. You know, Pray 391 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 4: for his health, you know, and mentality. You know, it's 392 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 4: just it's it's it's it's through the roof. 393 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 3: I think they did a I think the mcnairy's did 394 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 3: a great job of getting him definitely. 395 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny you say that because when I 396 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: first interviewed him, we were calling one of the games, 397 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: the preseason games, so before the game, the production crew 398 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: we get to interview the players. And after that interview, 399 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: I was all, he's been here before. You know, he's 400 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: been here before, because like you said, it wasn't and 401 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't just coach speak or player speak. And one 402 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: thing that I really appreciated about him, and when we 403 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: got to interview him, after every question, he would wait 404 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: a couple of seconds before he answered, and you could 405 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: almost see the wheels in his brain like he wasn't 406 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: just going to give you just some random answer and 407 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna speak before he thought, so you could 408 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: just tell that or it felt like, one, it's probably 409 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: all the above. He was prepped for this, and he 410 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: took to the prepping. And two, he's just a very mature, 411 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: thoughtful individual, and I think that's part of the reason 412 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: why he was voted captain. As a rookie, which to 413 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: this day blows my mind. 414 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 415 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: I've played with some great players and great rookies, and 416 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: I've never even thought of a rookie being a captain. 417 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 1: And for the Texans to have two voted on by 418 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: the players, what was your thought when you heard Will 419 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: Anderson defensive end and CJ. Stroud as rookies were voted 420 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: captains of the team. 421 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 4: I mean, hearing it was one thing, but seeing those 422 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 4: guys on the field and seeing how they lead and 423 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 4: how they orchestrate, it's you know, I think they I 424 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 4: think they got that one right as well, you know, 425 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 4: just to if you just watch him, you know Will 426 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 4: is playing. I mean he's a dynamic player. He's a 427 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 4: dynamic player. I love watching them. And then CJ of course, 428 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 4: as you know, what he's done speaks for himself. 429 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: As a former end. I love watching Will Anderson playing 430 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 1: so jetik and he plays the game the way it's 431 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: supposed to be played. And I'll say this, I'm not 432 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: buying him or making you know, excuses for him, but 433 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: he's not a guy that you can quantify hit his 434 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: production just off squad. 435 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 2: I mean I wanna say squads just off sacks. 436 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, he can have a great year and have nine 437 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: sacks or not have double digit because of the disruption. 438 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: And now that they've added Danielle Hunter on the other 439 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: side of all that, it's going to be very exciting 440 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: to see them play. All right, let's talk about just 441 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: the state of the NFL. There was this new rule 442 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: that was passed yesterday. I don't know if you had 443 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: a chance to hear it. I didn't hear about it 444 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: until my son sent it to me. They're they're making 445 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: the hipp tackle illegal in the NFL, and I'm like, 446 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: what the heck is a hip tackle? But it's literally 447 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: like if you're running at an angle or from behind 448 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: as a defensive player and you grab around the waist 449 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: of the ball carrier and you do that alligator turn. 450 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:18,719 Speaker 2: That's now illegal. 451 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: And I know I'm a little bit biased just playing defense, 452 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: but it's getting to the point. So I want to 453 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: hear from an offensive guy where I would not even 454 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: know how to coach up a defensive player tackling, Like, 455 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: just your thoughts on eliminating hitting somebody around the waist 456 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: and torking them down. 457 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 3: Well, I think you defensive guys have been dirty for 458 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 3: a long time. 459 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 2: I see where this is going. 460 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, honestly no, I mean it would 461 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 4: be next to impossible, you know that. I mean that 462 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 4: almost sounds insane because the game is so fast, and 463 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 4: you know, I mean the game is so fast, and 464 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 4: when you even when you are trying to block somebody 465 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 4: or you catch the ball, when you turn around, I 466 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 4: mean that people are there. And so I mean, these 467 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 4: people are trying to make the money, you know, they're 468 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 4: trying to make a living also, So I just you know, 469 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 4: I don't I don't know, man, I hadn't got a 470 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 4: chance to actually look at it through and through. But 471 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 4: I mean, if that's the if it's the hip tackle 472 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 4: that we're thinking that we're thinking it is, I mean 473 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 4: I wonder what the science is behind that, Like, like, 474 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 4: is there a lot of acls. 475 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 3: That get torn doing that? Is there? You know? 476 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 4: You know, what is it that made that the you 477 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 4: know tackle that we need to ban? 478 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: It blows my mind. The horse collar tackle. And I'm 479 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: probably the minority on this, but I hate that rule 480 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: as well because for me, it feels like the horse 481 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: collar tackle is literally a defensive player one last chance 482 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: to you know, to bring down an offensive player and 483 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: by making it illegal, you're almost saying, if you're in 484 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 1: this position, just give up on the play and I'll 485 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: take it a step further. The horse collar tackle, or 486 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: the banning of it, came from when Terrell Owens was 487 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: horse collared by Roy Williams from the Cowboys and he 488 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: broke his leg. Okay, I was on that team with 489 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: t O, so it hurt us. Don't get me wrong. 490 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: It hurt us because our best player was hurt. But 491 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: I was just like, it wasn't a dirty play by 492 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: Roy Williams, Like he literally had nowhere else to go 493 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: but to reach and bring him down. 494 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 2: So I never understood that rule. 495 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: But it seems like the majority of people are in 496 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: agreement of that, which pisses me off. 497 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 2: When I talked, but this. 498 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 3: Hip defensive guys have been dirty a long time. 499 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: I just don't see how that's dirty, Maybe because I've 500 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: chased so many guys from behind and that was the only, 501 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: you know, last chance I had. But this hip one, 502 00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: I'm hoping. Like when I saw it and heard about it, 503 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 1: I was just I was so upset. I was like, man, 504 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: they're killing this game, but I'm hoping it's going to 505 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: be one of those situations where you and I are 506 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: watching the season this upcoming season and we're like, oh, 507 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: you know what, it's not affecting the game. 508 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I really hope it doesn't affect the game. 509 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 4: Goodness, did they do something with I think I had 510 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 4: someone send me something about the kickoff or something like that. 511 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, I don't know that, so they did something 512 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 2: with it. 513 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: I don't know the specific so I'm going to look 514 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: into that as well. 515 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 2: All right. 516 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: So as a guy, I will say this, I have 517 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: so much respect for receivers tight ends when you're catching 518 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: the ball in all that traffic, especially when you played 519 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: and they didn't have all these sissy rules, Like what's 520 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: the mind like mine thought? Are you the thought process? 521 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: Are you thinking like I'm about to get hit by 522 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: a linebacker? Or do you block that out? What goes 523 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: through the mind? 524 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 3: You know, I think. 525 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 4: Honestly, it's just catch the ball, you know, you know, 526 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 4: you know, maybe I didn't have enough catches to be 527 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 4: able to say, you know, hey, look when I used 528 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 4: to catch the ball, I used to do this. 529 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 3: Heus do that. 530 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: Over forty some catches or sophomore year. So yeah, I'm 531 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: talking about you play big time college right, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. 532 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 4: Well at that point, it's just catch the ball and 533 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 4: you know, get do work, do work, catch the ball. 534 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 4: Uh you know I think that you know when you 535 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 4: when you catch that ball is you know, it's it's 536 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 4: this is your contribution, this is this is what you do. 537 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 4: So you know, I'm not really worried about getting hit. 538 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 4: I'm just worried about getting yards and holding on to 539 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 4: the damn ball. 540 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 3: Got to hold on to the ball as much as possible. 541 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say this, that's a tougher mentality than 542 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: defensive players. Defensive players they always look at us like, oh, 543 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,959 Speaker 1: there's a crazy ones, I knock your head off. But 544 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: to me, you have to have a tougher mindset to know, Okay, 545 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: I'm about to catch the ball, and I got some 546 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: crazy off were trying to knock me off. Because if 547 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: it was me, I'm thinking protect myself first, then catching 548 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: the ball. 549 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 3: You'll never catch. 550 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 2: I would never catch it. 551 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: Like my head would be on a swivel like a 552 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: quarterback before you throw this. Let's look around and see 553 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: who's around me. So now I give y'all a lot 554 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: of credit for that. Speaking with Anthony Hill the OG Podcast, 555 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: I am in d klude appreciate you joining us and 556 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: listening in. But let's get back to it. So the 557 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: draft is coming up. I believe it's April, and I 558 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: probably should know exactly when it's coming up because I 559 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: listened to John Harris, who does an awesome job breaking 560 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: down the draft. 561 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 2: Talk about your draft experience. 562 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people who just don't understand 563 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: what it means to be drafted. They're so focused just 564 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: on the first round. But a tight end going in 565 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: the fourth round means you were rated pretty high. So 566 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: when when did you, like what year in college? When 567 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: did you start to realize, like, hey, this dream of 568 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: the NFL is more than likely going to be a reality, 569 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: right all right? 570 00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 4: So so coming out of my junior year, they they 571 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 4: put the rankings out and I was a top three 572 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 4: tight end. They were thinking first or second round. I 573 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 4: tear my a c L during the off season, so 574 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 4: so I tear my a CL, get my surgery. I 575 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 4: set a whole year out. 576 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: So hold on, So this is after your junior year 577 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 1: and you were rated top three top three? 578 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 2: So was there any thought of going out? 579 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 4: Then wanted to go out? Ended up having a lengthy 580 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 4: conversation with Bill Kawer. He was I believe he was 581 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 4: with the Steelers maybe at that time, or or he 582 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 4: had just finished, but I believe he resides in Riley, 583 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 4: and so just so happened to speak to him on 584 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 4: a personal conversation and he just told me straight up 585 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 4: and said, hey, you know, I heard you got a 586 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 4: MRI back on your on your knee, you know, And 587 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 4: I also heard that you're still thinking about going out 588 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 4: because because you know, you don't really know what exactly 589 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 4: to do, because I'm thinking, hey, I'm top three tight 590 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 4: ends in the nation, you know, you know, all these things. 591 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 3: End up getting the surgery and uh, sitting the whole 592 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 3: year out. 593 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 4: I took a medical red shirt or or I just 594 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 4: took a red shirt because I hadn't taken a red 595 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 4: shirt yet. And I come back for my now fifth year, 596 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 4: but now my senior year, and had a had a 597 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 4: had a decent I had a solid season, and I 598 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 4: was actually projected to not you know, to be six 599 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 4: round to free agent, and so yeah, ended up getting 600 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 4: the agent all these other things and just kind of 601 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 4: just just was moving up, moving up the draft charts, 602 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 4: moving up the draft charts. 603 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 2: It was it from prods or combine. What do you 604 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 2: feel like you were moving? 605 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 3: Well? 606 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 4: Uh, I Well, first off, I went to the Senior 607 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 4: Bowl and I had I had I had a really 608 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 4: good singing Bowl. And then from the Senior Bowl, ended 609 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 4: up going to the Combine and had a good combine 610 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 4: as well, and so and then I had a good 611 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 4: pro Day. And so everywhere, you know, everyone that I 612 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 4: met there, you know, we just kind of, you know, 613 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 4: I just kept kind of moving up the ranks and 614 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 4: went from you know, free agent to you know, maybe 615 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 4: sixth round, the fifth round and maybe third fourth and 616 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 4: just ended up in fourth. So the day of the draft, 617 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 4: the day of the draft, I had this huge plan 618 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 4: that I was going to go fishing. 619 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, are you Are you in Texas or I'm 620 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: literally in Houston. 621 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 3: I'm in Houston. 622 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 4: I've flown here, got a rental car, all these other things, 623 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 4: and so I've set it up. I have my boat, 624 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 4: it's in the water. I've already it's already paid for, 625 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 4: it's already everything. 626 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: Hold on, So let me ask you this, Are you 627 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: thinking that? So you're not thinking about are you planning 628 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: to go fishing on the day of the draft. So 629 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: you're not sitting there worried about it, thinking about correct correct. 630 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 4: Just get away, get my mind free, don't worry about 631 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:06,959 Speaker 4: the draft. I don't want to be looking at Oh 632 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 4: this guy got drafted. This guy got this, this guy 633 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 4: got that. I have this huge plan. This is a 634 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 4: great idea. I go visit the the the marina down 635 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 4: in Keema. Uh, you know, a couple of days before, 636 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 4: give the lady my money. 637 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 3: I'm ready to go. All these other things. 638 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 4: I'm ready and and and then the and then the 639 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 4: day of the draft comes, and so we're supposed to 640 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 4: get up at you know, six o'clock in the morning, 641 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 4: go get on the boat and be out fishing, driving 642 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 4: around Keema, board walk all those things. 643 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: There you go on. I love this plan. I love 644 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: it's a solid plan. It's a solid plan. 645 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. There's a big but get up. 646 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 4: I get up that morning, I'm curled up in the ball. 647 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 4: My stomach is hurt. I don't I'm nervous, you know, 648 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 4: you know, looking back now, I was. I was just nervous, 649 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 4: you know. I mean it's a huge you know, it's 650 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 4: a huge day. You know your life will be forever 651 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 4: change if you're drafted. You know how it goes. So 652 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 4: I'm curled up in the ball, I'm sick. I don't 653 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 4: eat the whole day. This is day one, and so 654 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 4: the people are calling me telling me, hey, your boat's here, 655 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 4: Come and get your boat. We got your bait, we 656 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 4: got everything sitting here for you. We got a guid, 657 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 4: we got all these other things. Your cooler is ready. Everything. 658 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 3: No I don't. 659 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 4: I don't go, and I don't and I don't get 660 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 4: drafted that day. So I'm like, you know what, I'm 661 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 4: gonna go the following day. So I tell them, hey, look, 662 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 4: set me up for the next day. They're like, okay, 663 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 4: no problem. 664 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 2: Hold on, are you sick because you're anxious about the draft? 665 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 4: That's okay. I get drafted on the second day for 666 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 4: the fourth round. It instantly goes away. 667 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 2: Interesting. 668 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 4: I literally was was I have? I mean, I was 669 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 4: nerved up. I had too much anxiety. And you know, 670 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 4: you think that you're just not gonna worry about it, 671 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 4: You're not gonna think about it. But unfortunately, you know, 672 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 4: it just wasn't the case for me. It was a 673 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 4: crazy idea. Then I get drafted here and you know, 674 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 4: I mean, I already have a backpack because I didn't 675 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 4: speak with the Texans, you know, you know, I spoke 676 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 4: with Denver, I spoke with New York a few other teams, 677 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 4: and uh, man, you know, I got drafted and I 678 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 4: was staying. I don't think it's still called this, but 679 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 4: it was called the Intercontinental maybe hotel by the gallerya 680 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 4: by the Gallerria, and so that's where I was staying. 681 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 4: And uh, sure enough, they called and they said, hey, 682 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 4: you know, we're gonna send you a flight and I said, no, 683 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 4: you don't need a flight. 684 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 2: Crank up this car. 685 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 3: I'm on my way. 686 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 4: So so they drafted me. I was here within thirty minutes. 687 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 2: I was. 688 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 4: I was literally here. I met everyone. It was, it was, 689 00:33:58,880 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 4: it was amazing. 690 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 3: You know. 691 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 4: The funny story, my dad is actually a huge Cowboy fan, 692 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 4: and so me coming, he's like, you know, my my 693 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 4: my my aunt was calling him, she was she was 694 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 4: calling him. 695 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 3: She was like, you know, you know you're gonna be 696 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 3: a You're gonna be a Texan fan now. And he's like, well, 697 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 3: I wear a little bit of it. I wear the hat, 698 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 3: but I'm not wearing the jacket. 699 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 4: I was like, whatever, man, But it ended up being 700 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 4: an awesome experience to be in my hometown, to be 701 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 4: able to be here back with my family because I've 702 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 4: been gone for about six seven years and so just 703 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 4: to come back home, you know, to see my mom my, sisters, everyone. 704 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 2: So yeah, that's strong. Yeah. So did you ever go fishing? No? 705 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 1: So my next question, being the cheap guy that I am, 706 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: did you get your deposit? That no? 707 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 4: I didn't get nothing back? Like yeah, right, hilario. Yeah, 708 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 4: you've held up two of our days. You're not getting 709 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 4: to die. 710 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 2: You know what. 711 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,359 Speaker 1: That sounds like something I would do where I would 712 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: be like, oh, forget the draft, I'm gonna go do something. 713 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: But the inside you have you been wanting this from 714 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: day one, since you were a little five year old. 715 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, it sounds good to say, I'm not going 716 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: to think about it. Yeah real quick, because I man, 717 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: I love this story. Talk about the emotional roller coaster 718 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: of at one point you're walking around campus, not in 719 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: a cocky way, thinking you know what, I'm a first 720 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: second round pick, then getting hurt right, and then hearing no, 721 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: you're probably not going to get drafted, but you'll be 722 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,320 Speaker 1: a priority free agent. Like how did you kind of 723 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: stay strong? And because that's a mental and emotional roller. 724 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 725 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly, I just stopped listening to what other people 726 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 4: were saying. I got online one time and I got 727 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 4: to checking the blog and checking and looking at all 728 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 4: these other things, and I was like, Man, they say 729 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 4: I suck, they say this, they say that, These guys 730 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 4: say I'm good, these guys say I'm bad, they said, 731 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 4: you know, and so forth. And so I just I 732 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 4: was like, man, get the hell off of that. Yeah, 733 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 4: you know, what are you worried about that for? And 734 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 4: so I just stayed with my circle. You know, I 735 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 4: feel like we had a pretty tight circle between you know, 736 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 4: my mom, my sisters, you know, some of my friends, 737 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 4: you know, you know, all of my people that were 738 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 4: at n C State, you know. And so I just 739 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 4: worried about what they were saying, you know, and so 740 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 4: we all, you know, we were all leaning on each other. 741 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 4: And so I didn't have to you know, I just 742 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 4: you got to sometimes you have to cut out the noise, yeah. 743 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: Real quick, because this goes by way too fast when 744 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: I when I get my boys on this show. But 745 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: we have some similarities. Uh, you know, after you retired, 746 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: you started grammar construction or you you rolled into it. 747 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 2: Was that. 748 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: So your construction company, I know you started with your father. 749 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: Was it already established while you were playing or did 750 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: you establish it after you decided to retire? 751 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, So so my my dad he already had 752 00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 4: a company, he already had a company, and I was 753 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 4: in Louisiana and I was, you know, I had got 754 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 4: into construction and different things, and I end up moving 755 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 4: back to Houston. When I moved back to Houston, he 756 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 4: actually approached me and said, hey, look, son, you know, 757 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 4: I know it's done. You know, it doesn't sound pretty, 758 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 4: you know, but there's a lot of money in concrete. 759 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 3: And so I was like, man, what are you talking about? 760 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 4: You know, And so he got to breaking down the 761 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 4: numbers and talking to me, and you know, I said, okay, 762 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 4: you know, I'll give it a trial. Let's do it. 763 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 4: And so what I did say was I did let 764 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 4: him know. I say, you know, you know, I want 765 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 4: to start my own company, you know, you know, I 766 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,959 Speaker 4: want to be able to give something to my son. 767 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 4: And so even down to the name of Grammar Construction 768 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 4: comes from my son's middle name, you know. You know, 769 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 4: so so you know that that's something that I one 770 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 4: day want to pass to him. 771 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 3: So the long story short, we. 772 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we got into it and we just started 773 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 4: doing jobs and didn't you know, I end up landing 774 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 4: a pretty large job at Bush with United Airlines and 775 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 4: just you know, we just we just start to steamroll 776 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 4: and yes, thanks for going well. 777 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 1: Yes huge, I mean, and I'm not knocking doing driveways residential, 778 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: which we do, but to actually get a contract and 779 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,319 Speaker 1: fulfill it with the airport, I mean, that's big. So 780 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: congratulations to you. I actually read about that before I 781 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: talked to you about it or met you, And when 782 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: I was reading that article, I was just pumping my fists. 783 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 2: I show them that, you know, there's more to a 784 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,760 Speaker 2: lot of these players than just football. 785 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: Do you take what you learned on the field into 786 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 1: the business world as the owner of Grammar Construction? 787 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 4: I mean, from from injuries, from play to play, you know, 788 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 4: because one day, guess what, we have a we have 789 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 4: a great day. The next day we are We're like, wait, 790 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 4: do we not remember what we did yesterday? 791 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 2: You know? 792 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 4: So you know one thing about football is that you know, 793 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 4: you can have an amazing ten plays, but if you 794 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 4: have fifty bad plays, well yeah. 795 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,399 Speaker 3: You had a bad game. You know what I mean 796 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:06,399 Speaker 3: at the end of the day. 797 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 4: So just kind of being able to take the highs 798 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 4: and not celebrate too much and take the lows and 799 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 4: not be too down on yourself, you know, just try 800 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 4: to stay as much as even killed as you possibly can, 801 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 4: continuously try to learn. 802 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 3: Now we do do. 803 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,839 Speaker 4: Small jobs too, we do to driveways and everything goes 804 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 4: too But honestly that you know, just kind of just 805 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,919 Speaker 4: kind of learning you know, business, you know, and and 806 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 4: very much so like you say, you know, I was 807 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,360 Speaker 4: able to take those things, you know, and all the 808 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 4: way back to Hardgrave, you know, I was able to 809 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 4: take those things and say, hey, you know, you know, 810 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 4: I can go into this office and I can speak 811 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 4: to these people and say, hey, look we're gonna do this, 812 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,720 Speaker 4: and we're gonna do it with integrity. We're gonna finish 813 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 4: your job. We're gonna do what we have to do 814 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,279 Speaker 4: and get out of there now. You know, Hey, you 815 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 4: may not like me when we're done, but the job 816 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 4: we did was was a dang on good job, you know. 817 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 3: And so that's what And. 818 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,279 Speaker 1: You know, from the story you told me about your 819 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 1: time in Hardgrave, I know if I use your company, 820 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,840 Speaker 1: it's gonna get done because, like you said, quitting is contagious, 821 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,839 Speaker 1: and you didn't quit through that, and you're not gonna 822 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,240 Speaker 1: quit on a job. And I appreciate you not quitting. 823 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 1: On the OG podcast, this thing just flew by my 824 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: main man, Anthony Hill, former tight end NFL, that's sitting 825 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: in with us, and we appreciate y'all tuning in, and 826 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 1: I appreciate you brother. 827 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,839 Speaker 3: Yes, sir, thank you, and dy, I appreciate you having me. Man. 828 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for OG Podcast. Stay 829 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 1: tuned for the next episode.