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Speaker 1: said absolutely as the ability to play the edge. But Wolf,

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Speaker 1: we've asked other guys who played the position and they're

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Speaker 1: dubious that he can make that conversion to an edge guy.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if we're going to own anything

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Speaker 1: more in the month April. I guess it's my question.

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Speaker 1: That's why I want to talk to him and see

431
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Speaker 1: what kind of mentality. He has. By the way, did

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Speaker 1: you see that Sean Payton and what he said about

433
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Speaker 1: Denver and what they're gonna do starting effective immediately. The

434
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Speaker 1: last year the Broncos didn't run a very competitive training camp.

435
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Speaker 1: They weren't a very good physical shape. He said, they

436
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Speaker 1: didn't have much nine on seven or one on one drill.

437
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Speaker 1: Sean Payton is going to institute all of the above.

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Speaker 1: Why do I think Jonathan Gannon might do the same

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Speaker 1: with the Arizona Cardinals. We continue with a big red

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Speaker 1: Rage present him by Santan Ford in Gilbert back to

441
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: Pasco's Dalton on first down fires over the middle, the

442
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Speaker 1: ball is tipped into the air and picked off of

443
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Speaker 1: the thirty yard line. Running left and the money Marco

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Speaker 1: Wilson to the ten the high steps and that he

445
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Speaker 1: does a flip into the ends ope of the tockdown.

446
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Speaker 1: Marco Wilson with a pick sick and the Cardinals take

447
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Speaker 1: the lane twenty to fourteen. Boy, did you see Marco

448
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Speaker 1: Wilson elevate on that dude pad touchdown flip. What was

449
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Speaker 1: kind of funny is they're showing the camera angle of

450
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Speaker 1: Andy Dalton being upset and in the background you can

451
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Speaker 1: see Wilson launching into the air like it's just part

452
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Speaker 1: of the background. It looks quite humorous. Passion wolf on

453
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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals radio network, and it was instantaneous, just

454
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Speaker 1: the meme, just the viral video of Andy Dalton the

455
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Speaker 1: io and in the background there's an airborne Marco Wilson

456
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Speaker 1: doing a full front flip. Just unbelievable. Athletics's him as

457
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Speaker 1: he punctuated the pick six. Honestly, guys, Darren urban Ron Wolfley,

458
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Speaker 1: yours truly Paul Kelveys here in the Big Red Rage

459
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Speaker 1: presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. Probably the thing that instantaneously,

460
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Speaker 1: if anything from last season brings a smile out of

461
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Speaker 1: my face, it might be that moment right there, just

462
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Speaker 1: Marco Wilson and the way he punctuated it, Yeah, Paul,

463
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Speaker 1: especially the meme that came out right and how popular

464
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Speaker 1: that meme wasn't How great that was, Like, that was incredible?

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Speaker 1: All right. So Marco Wilson is among the cornerbacks still

466
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Speaker 1: standing still on the roster. Antonio Hamilton is in that

467
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Speaker 1: cornerback room as we speak, and one year deal. He

468
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Speaker 1: just did. Christian Matthew, the seventh round rookie from last year,

469
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Speaker 1: Nate Harrison, right, Rashad Fenton who was added from the

470
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Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs most recently. He has a ring. But

471
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Speaker 1: in terms of being a need, I mean, this isn't

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Speaker 1: a want, Ron Wolfley, this is a need still in

473
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Speaker 1: the offseason, is it? Not? Cornerback? Yeah, Polly, there's no

474
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Speaker 1: doubt about a cornerback. And unfortunately in the National Football

475
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Speaker 1: League it's a need to pick area. There are a

476
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Speaker 1: lot of teams out there that are looking for corners.

477
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Speaker 1: Of course, one good thing is Marco Wilson. I think

478
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Speaker 1: Marco Wilson had an excellent season last year. I'm looking

479
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Speaker 1: for Marco Wilson to take that next step forward here

480
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Speaker 1: in his development as an NFL corner. Right now. I

481
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: think there's no denying the fact that he's got all

482
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Speaker 1: the talent you could possibly want. He's got the athleticism,

483
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Speaker 1: he's got the skills. He's played very, very good. He

484
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Speaker 1: just needs to be more consistent from game to game,

485
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Speaker 1: and I would say month to month. You know, a

486
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Speaker 1: lot of these players, rookies especially take that big jump

487
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Speaker 1: from year one to year two. I wouldn't be shocked

488
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Speaker 1: Aarren Urman if Marco Wilson took a big jump from

489
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Speaker 1: year two to year three, because he started almost an

490
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Speaker 1: entire rookie year, and he admittedly said that, you know what,

491
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Speaker 1: he kind of thought he arrived, and he made that

492
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Speaker 1: comment a couple of times in a couple of honest moments,

493
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: and he had sort of a slow start to last season,

494
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Speaker 1: came on in the second half. I think it continues

495
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Speaker 1: in year three. I think that's the bet that the

496
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Speaker 1: Cardinals are making in part um. I mean, they've always

497
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: been high on what Marco Wilson could be. They felt

498
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Speaker 1: like they got a steal in the fourth round when

499
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Speaker 1: they got them. The measurables are elite, and I do

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Speaker 1: think there was a little bit of growing up that

501
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: had to do with that when Marco Wilson and that

502
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Speaker 1: that happens. You know, it's funny when guys get on

503
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Speaker 1: the field. And I'm sure Wolf knows all about this,

504
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: um although I don't really remember what his rookie year

505
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Speaker 1: was like, but I mean when you when when you

506
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: put a guy out there, and everybody always gets upset

507
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: when these draft picks come in and they don't start

508
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,719
Speaker 1: right away. And one of the things that coaches always says, well,

509
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Speaker 1: they got to be able to earn it. And people

510
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: get frustrated while you're picking this guy, why isn't he

511
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: Why isn't he in the lineup? Well, this is why,

512
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: because when for whatever reason, they do end up having

513
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: to start, there's that chance that they didn't really have

514
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: to earn it, and then they feel like they don't

515
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Speaker 1: have to put in the work and they feel like

516
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Speaker 1: they've arrived. And that's what coaches are trying to avoid.

517
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Speaker 1: And I you know, there's a learning curve for everybody,

518
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Speaker 1: and I think Marco Wilson has negotiated it pretty well

519
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Speaker 1: these first two years. And I do think, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's crucial that he's well, I mean, he's gonna be

521
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Speaker 1: a starter. I don't care if you end up picking

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Speaker 1: a cornerback in the first round or you find a

523
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Speaker 1: decent veteran. He's gonna be one of your starters. You

524
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Speaker 1: need him to play well. Look, the ideal scenario was

525
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: Antonio Hamilton is cornerback three or maybe even cornerback four.

526
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Speaker 1: That that's how and especially in the absence of a

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Speaker 1: Byron Murphy who didn't play a lot of last season,

528
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Speaker 1: especially the second half of last season, you got to

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Speaker 1: figure this out. So okay, Yeah, Marco Wilson, who was

530
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Speaker 1: rookie year, beat out Malcolm Butler once again. He has

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Speaker 1: all the talent in the world. The good news for

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals is this is a very deep cornerback class historically.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I read earlier today Wolf that they think

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Speaker 1: that there are cornerbacks was starter traits going into Day

535
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Speaker 1: three of this draft. Wow, that's how deep this is.

536
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Speaker 1: And if, for example, the Cardinals do trade out at

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Speaker 1: number three and they end up around seven. If they

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Speaker 1: end up at a number eleven from Tennessee, I would

539
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: not be shocked if they went cornerback with their first

540
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Speaker 1: pick in this draft. That's how good some of these

541
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Speaker 1: guys are. You know what's so cool about that, Polly too.

542
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Speaker 1: If there's one position where a dude can come in

543
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: and make an impact on the defensive side of the ball,

544
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Speaker 1: it's at corner. It really is, especially if you're a

545
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Speaker 1: big man team. And that's something we're gonna have to

546
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: wait and see about Jag and what kind of defense

547
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: he actually wants to put together here, right But you know,

548
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're a big man team, you can

549
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: have a corner come in and say, Okay, I've got

550
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: that guy, I'm gonna line up over this guy, and

551
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: I've got man coverage, and that raw athleticism can really

552
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: take over right there. If you're gonna play a ton

553
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: of zone. It takes a little nuance to play in

554
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: that zone room for a lot of these young guys

555
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: coming in, especially in college, because they're playing so much

556
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: man at the college level right there. But the good

557
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: news is this that secondary over overall is really really

558
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: strong because of the safeties you have back there. I'll

559
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: be curious to know about the man versus his own

560
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: thing because one of the things Jonathan Gannon talked about

561
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: with his defense at the owner's meetings, and he's kind

562
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: of intimated this before, but he's like, one of the

563
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: things we want to do is we want to get turnovers. Okay,

564
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: everybody says that, and we want to make sure they

565
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: don't throw the ball over our head. And when I

566
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: hear they don't they don't throw the ball over our head,

567
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Speaker 1: that that tells me you're you're gonna lean more towards

568
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: zone stuff than really manning up a lot shell cover

569
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Speaker 1: two like so many teams like to play these days.

570
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Speaker 1: We'll see it's it's hard to really get a good

571
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Speaker 1: sense because when you do ask Jonathan Gannon what they're

572
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Speaker 1: gonna do, it's it's pretty much vague, well in a

573
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Speaker 1: lot of its space, and if it should be, I

574
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: might add Derby and his default setting is always going

575
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Speaker 1: to be we're gonna play what serves our roster best. Yes,

576
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Speaker 1: but dude, the corner back equation, I think there's some

577
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: sense to that in that advance. Joseph, for example, would

578
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: have loved to have manned up his two corners on

579
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Speaker 1: an island and dialed up the other nine. He just

580
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily have the personnel all the time, didn't have

581
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Speaker 1: those elite cover corners all the time where he could

582
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Speaker 1: execute that sort of game plan. But if you end

583
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: up with Illinois, Devin Witherspooner ran a four four two

584
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: today right in a private workout, who was a ridiculous

585
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: shutdown corner. A year ago for the Elini he had

586
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: an opponent passer rating of twenty nine point three, and

587
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,719
Speaker 1: that was the lowest in D one by a wide margin.

588
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: You get Christian Gonzalez out of Oregon wolf six one

589
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: and a half right, four three eight forty, Joey Porter Junior, yes,

590
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: son of the former cardinal six two and a half

591
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: one ninety three corner out a Penn State who runs

592
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Speaker 1: a four four five. I mean there are guys, you know,

593
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: even DJ Turner out of Michigan, who surprised everyone ran

594
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Speaker 1: in the four two six. There are elite corners all

595
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Speaker 1: the way. Look top around two for example, Cardinals top

596
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: around two. If they go corner, absolutely that's a slam. Yeah, no, Polly,

597
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: I think you're right about that. Also to you gotta

598
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: remember Jonathan Gannon. There were a lot of Philadelphia Eagle

599
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: fans that wanted him to bring more. People wanted him

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Speaker 1: to bring five and six and go after a quarterback,

601
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: and that was not what JG was doing in Philadelphia.

602
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: And there's no doubt about it that secondary, especially your

603
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: cornerback room, can get a whole lot better if you

604
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: can actually get pressure on the quarterback, which once again

605
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: brings us all the way back to our guy, Will Anderson.

606
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Speaker 1: And if you'd like to take Will Anderson at number three,

607
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: oh no, even better, moved back to number four. Let

608
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: the Colts draft their quarterback. You moved back to number

609
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Speaker 1: four and draft Will Anderson at number four. We've got

610
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Speaker 1: a winner, ladies and gentlemen. Well, as Kyle Vanibosch told us,

611
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: you can pick the best corners in the world, but

612
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: if you don't have a pass rush, they can only

613
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Speaker 1: cover for so long exactly, so it always starts with

614
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Speaker 1: the pass rush. By the way, speaking of strong draft

615
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: classes in twenty twenty three, and Jonathan Gannon wasn't a wolf.

616
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Speaker 1: He answered you when you asked him about the fullback

617
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: when he was first hired, right, And his answer was

618
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: he laughed. He said, well, I'll say this, we want

619
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Speaker 1: to live in eleven, twelve, and thirteen personnel. And remember

620
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: he said that, yes, the Cardinals need tight ends. Hello,

621
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Speaker 1: And this is a very strong draft for tight ends

622
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: as well. Historically, over the first hundred picks, usually an

623
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Speaker 1: average of four tight ends are taken. This year they

624
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: said there could be as many as eight, two times

625
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: the norm. That's how deep it is a tight end Arren.

626
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think there's a chance that

627
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: they could take a tight end late. If you're paying

628
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: zach Ertz what you're paying them, and you just took

629
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Speaker 1: Trade and Bride in the second round, I don't see

630
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: how that's going to be a major priority at this point.

631
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: That's how I see it. You need a number, But

632
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: if zach Ertz is healthy, you've got your top two

633
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: tight ends already. Here's the one thing about that, though, Guys, Honestly,

634
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go with a lot of eleven personnel,

635
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: and by the way, that's what the Philadelphia Eagles did.

636
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: They went with a lot of eleven personnel, one back,

637
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: one tight end. Man, if you want to be as

638
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Speaker 1: balanced as the Eagles were, you gotta be able to

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Speaker 1: run the ball and if you're going to run the ball,

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Speaker 1: that means that tight end in eleven personnel, you better

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Speaker 1: be able to kick somebody's face at the point of attack.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if you look at zach Ertz

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Speaker 1: at this point of his career, even Trade McBride, if

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Speaker 1: they got that guy, Hey, maybe you're both right to

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Speaker 1: Darren's point, they go day three for a tight end.

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Speaker 1: But it's a blocking tight end, yes, which would still

647
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Speaker 1: be on the board day three. So maybe that's the

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Speaker 1: way it plays out. We'll see. Hey. Join the season

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Speaker 1: big Red Rage presented by santan Ford in Gilbert staff

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Speaker 1: to Hill hands it off Ingram running right, get in

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Speaker 1: the backfield and down he goes Roschard. Lawrence was in

658
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Speaker 1: their first good job of the Cardinals at the point

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Speaker 1: of attack, that is where Shard Lawrence right there. And

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Speaker 1: what he does man third and two on the seven

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Speaker 1: and they run Walker up the middle east hit and

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Speaker 1: he's dropped back at the ten yard line where Shard Lawrence. Wow,

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Speaker 1: he makes a difference, David, he does. He shows up

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Speaker 1: with third rush defense on the inside. He settled in.

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Speaker 1: Is an excellent nose tackle, no question about that. When

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Speaker 1: he's on the field, he is a difference maker. You

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Speaker 1: guys know when you stand on the Cardinals practice field

668
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: during camp, Guys who played the defensive line position the

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Speaker 1: immediately site is get off. Just is burst the way

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Speaker 1: he's being able to penetrate and get up field instantly.

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Speaker 1: Just Kenny, stay on the field. And if you're looking

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Speaker 1: for maybe a precedent for Rochard Lawrence, how about, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Is Zach Allen who dealt with a

674
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Speaker 1: lot of injuries his first few years in the league,

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Speaker 1: then had a breakout season this past campaign. Maybe just

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Speaker 1: maybe best case scenario, Chard Lawrence is that guy. Twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three. As we wrap up this addition to the

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Speaker 1: Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert, we

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Speaker 1: are santan Ford, Paul KELVC, Darren Urber, and Aron Wolfley

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Speaker 1: and wolf in terms of importance. Right We've talked about

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals and Will Anderson as a pass rusher, that

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00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: edge guy. Well, what about the interior D line? It

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00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 1: just defensive line depth in general. Where do you rate

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Speaker 1: that as a priority for Manias and Ford? Yeah, play,

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Speaker 1: I think it's huge, it really is. This is something

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Speaker 1: we all were talking about in regard to rebuilding this

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Speaker 1: roster and the fact that that rebuilding of the roster

688
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Speaker 1: was going to start on the line of scrimmage, the

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Speaker 1: offensive line, of course, and the defensive line. And we've

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Speaker 1: seen the Arizona Cardinals go out in address those two

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Speaker 1: areas right there. I think of Will Hernandez of course,

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Speaker 1: and Calvin Beecham those signings right now. You know how

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Speaker 1: much I love those two guys and love those signings

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Speaker 1: right there from the Arizona Cardinals because it speaks to

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Speaker 1: the physicality of the offense that I think they want

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Speaker 1: to be able to run. Well, you got to carry

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Speaker 1: that over to the defensive side of the ball as well.

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Speaker 1: They got a bunch of guys right now that have

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Speaker 1: played in the NFL, A bunch of guys that aren't

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Speaker 1: going to the Pro Bowl, but a bunch of guys

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Speaker 1: that could be glue guys. Hopefully they're going to continue

702
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Speaker 1: to compete once they get that opportunity on the football field,

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Speaker 1: and to me, I think they'd love to improve with

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Speaker 1: a little Jalen Carter. Is that a possibility if they

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Speaker 1: moved down, if they were to trade with the Tennessee

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Speaker 1: Titans and move back, Maybe Jalen Carter falls that much,

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Speaker 1: Maybe he doesn't. Maybe the Seahawks stakem at five. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, but at some point in time, you need

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Speaker 1: to address the defensive line, and I think they'd love

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Speaker 1: to be able to do that if they could. You

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Speaker 1: had an interview acy cardinals dot com Darren where you

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Speaker 1: talk to a guy former first round pick of the Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: Here was his quote after signing with the Cardinals. I

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Speaker 1: get to see the Seahawks two times a year, and

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Speaker 1: I'm excited about that. It's a fresh opportunity. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: these guys taking the chance on me. They could have

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Speaker 1: gotten anybody and they went with me. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: make sure they don't regret that. Give mean what the

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Speaker 1: sense was when LJ. Colliers said that to you? Oh,

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Speaker 1: I you know, I think he's very I mean, here's

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Speaker 1: a guy who, again a first round pick, didn't quite

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Speaker 1: pan out in Seattle in his four years, missed a

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Speaker 1: little time with injury, was inactive a few times, wasn't

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Speaker 1: hugely productive. And I think he very well knows that

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Speaker 1: he wasn't hugely productive. And I'm sure that came up

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Speaker 1: when they didn't pick up his fifth round a fifth

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Speaker 1: year option and let him walk after his fourth year.

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Speaker 1: So I think he's again aware that he's got some

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Speaker 1: things to prove, and he says he's going to do

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Speaker 1: that now, saying it when you're signing and doing it

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Speaker 1: on the field or two different things. But if you're

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Speaker 1: talking about wanting somebody who's motivated, and in fact, one

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Speaker 1: of the quotes he had in there, or one of

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Speaker 1: the parts of the quote was one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: he wants to do well is so he can make

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Speaker 1: more money, which I don't have a problem with happening

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Speaker 1: a motivational fact, and he's not. He didn't sign for

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Speaker 1: a ton of money here, so if he has a

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Speaker 1: big year, then he's gonna make money. And guess what

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Speaker 1: a one year contract should be motivating? Yeah, because it's

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Speaker 1: now or never. As far as that goes. How about

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Speaker 1: a Carlos Watkins who just signed over from the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: I bring that up because we're talking sixty nine career games,

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Speaker 1: thirty six starts, world five career sacks. But it's amazing

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Speaker 1: the blowback from all of the Cowboys fans that they're

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Speaker 1: really disappointed he moved on. And we know the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: are loaded along that defensive line. So slowly but surely,

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Speaker 1: Mania support has built some depth along this defensive line.

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Speaker 1: They have about ten guys right now in that room.

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Speaker 1: And seemingly at the start of the year, after Zach

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Speaker 1: Allen took off and JJ Watton retired, you're like, man, okay,

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Speaker 1: who's left? Yeah, No, you're right about that, Pauli once

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Speaker 1: again too, And I see a lot of guys that

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Speaker 1: are pros, you know. I see a lot of guys

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Speaker 1: that are gonna compete on the line of image. We'll

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Speaker 1: see how it goes. But I think one of the

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Speaker 1: strategies here from Jonathan Gannon and the coaching staff is

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Speaker 1: to raise the floor. But you've heard me talk about this, Paulie,

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Speaker 1: raise the floor and the talent level of the floor

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Speaker 1: on this roster, as opposed to raising the ceiling and

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Speaker 1: not having a good base, a good foundation. That's what's

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Speaker 1: going to be really interesting to me as well to

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Speaker 1: watch to see if they can do that. And it

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Speaker 1: looks like to me on the defensive line, that has

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Speaker 1: been the strategy right now. Go out and get guys

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Speaker 1: that have played games in the National Football League, Go

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Speaker 1: out and get guys that have started games in the

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Speaker 1: National Football League, and try to build that floor and

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Speaker 1: raise that floor up on that talent level on the

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Speaker 1: d line. And guess what if accountability was an issue

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Speaker 1: last year and complacency went along with that, Almost every

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Speaker 1: guy in that defensive line room is on a one

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Speaker 1: year deal or in a proven year, every single guy.

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Speaker 1: So you got to figure the hunger is going to

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Speaker 1: be there, the competitive competitiveness is going to be there.

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Speaker 1: And Darren, we've talked about this on Cardinals Underground the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I think every bit of building this team and rebuilding

778
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Speaker 1: this roster is instilling a mindset as much as it

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Speaker 1: is a skill set. I would agree with that. And

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Speaker 1: the thing is is when you have all these guys,

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Speaker 1: I mean they've they've signed a bunch of free agents,

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Speaker 1: a lot of names, just a bunch of names, not

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Speaker 1: just on the defensive line, but always. But like, there's

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Speaker 1: no guarantee that any of these guys make the final roster.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's signing a contract in such a way that yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, he's absolutely going to be here. Maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: Kizer White and maybe Zach Pascal. But the rest of them,

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Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent. Now they some of them

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Speaker 1: are going to have better chances than others. But am

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Speaker 1: I going to get shocked if any of these guys

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Speaker 1: are on the cuts? And this year they're making it

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Speaker 1: so it's there's only one cut down? So what what's

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Speaker 1: your reaction, Darren? When I say the name Jalen Carter?

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Speaker 1: Is it a possibility for a team that flamed out

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Speaker 1: with Robert Kndici arguably the most talented player in that

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Speaker 1: draft pound for pound, Albeity went at number twenty nine

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Speaker 1: as opposed to a top ten pick. Do you think

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Speaker 1: Jayalen Carter is a possibility? We know it's a need

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Speaker 1: for the Cardinals of that physic or just period if

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Speaker 1: they trade down, I would surmise I don't know. I'll

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Speaker 1: be honest, I have not heard a whole lot of

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Speaker 1: Jalen Carter around this team, and that doesn't mean anything necessarily,

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Speaker 1: but sometimes that can be by design. The player they

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Speaker 1: named belie. But but he is a guy who everybody

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Speaker 1: keeps saying Will Anderson's motor is unbelievable. You don't hear

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Speaker 1: that with Jalen Carter and after And what we've all

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Speaker 1: found with defensive lineman is if you don't have somewhat

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Speaker 1: of a mom it's very easy not to have a

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Speaker 1: motor for a big defensive lineman. And that would that

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Speaker 1: would just frighten me as a really high pick. Can

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Speaker 1: I throw out Jordan Phillips a couple of years ago? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: How frustrating is it to watch a massive defensive lineman

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Speaker 1: with all that athleticism mailed in two out of every

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Speaker 1: three snaps? Yeah? Yeah, boy, you really have to wonder too,

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Speaker 1: Jayalen Carter and you know, okay, he was he was

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Speaker 1: a guy that a lot of people were saying could

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Speaker 1: be the first player taken in the draft. Um, that

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Speaker 1: is not probably going to be the case, as we

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Speaker 1: all know, it's going to be a quarterback. But can

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Speaker 1: you imagine the Raiders sitting there at seven? Guys? Could

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Speaker 1: Jail and Carter be there at seven? If the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: were to trade to the Raiders and let the Raiders

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Speaker 1: come up and get a little Anthony Richardson maybe at

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Speaker 1: number three, and then all of a sudden you go

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Speaker 1: back to number seven. Yeah, I could see that being impossibility.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe depending on how far he falls, even with

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Speaker 1: Tennessee at eleven. And look a lot of a lot

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Speaker 1: of these mock drafts right now have the Bears in

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Speaker 1: number nine taking a jail and carter. So we'll see,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know he's not taking any visits with

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Speaker 1: teams outside the top ten confident, Yeah, which rules out,

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Speaker 1: which might rule out a lot of teams trading into

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Speaker 1: the top ten to pick him. That's where the mistake

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Speaker 1: might be by Drew Rosenhaus, his agent. All I know

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Speaker 1: is when I watched that pro day and he's completely

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Speaker 1: out of shape and not finishing drills, how can that

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Speaker 1: not be a red flag? Ron Wolfley, how can that?

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Speaker 1: It's got to be? It is. It is a red

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Speaker 1: flag right now. You have to wonder was he thinking

840
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Speaker 1: too much about his his incident, his accidents and what happened,

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Speaker 1: And you know, I don't care at that point in time.

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Speaker 1: That is a massive red flag, at least it is

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Speaker 1: to me Hey. Season six, Episode two of Cardinals Flight

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Speaker 1: Plans streaming right now via the Cardinals YouTube page at

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Speaker 1: YouTube dot com. Slash Acy Cardinals. By the way, news today,

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Speaker 1: we have another player who is going to wear number zero.

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Speaker 1: It's Marvin Jones of Alliance. So that makes five. Oh

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Speaker 1: I got one more? Oh you do? Yeah, breaking news,

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