Speaker 1: It's eight p m. At the Opera Populaire and you're
Speaker 1: listening to Nightcall. Welcome to Nightcall, a podcast for your
Speaker 1: strange days and lonely nights. My name is Emily Raschida.
Speaker 1: I'm in New York. On the other end of the line.
Speaker 1: In Los Angeles, we have Molly Lambert and with me
Speaker 1: is Lynch And again over in New York, we have
Speaker 1: Leslie Moon a special guest, Leslie Moon. Hooray right, Um,
Speaker 1: Leslie is a real person, even though it sounds like
Speaker 1: she's a Fraser fan fiction character. We um who's like
Speaker 1: Daphne's from from Manchester, who's like maybe a real minx. Uh.
Speaker 1: Leslie is a real person. She is my good friend
Speaker 1: from Los Angeles. We've known each other since kind of
Speaker 1: since our big chill days. Um and Leslie now is
Speaker 1: in Berlin and she's visiting New York this week. And
Speaker 1: she is a trainer and also just in general, like
Speaker 1: a writer and thinker about fitness. Fitness is like maybe
Speaker 1: like a bad word, but like yeah, just about physical
Speaker 1: activity and and and one's practice. So I thought that
Speaker 1: would be kind of fun to talk about because um,
Speaker 1: I think we tend to be really big advocates of
Speaker 1: like brain and a jarism. Uh are you advocates for
Speaker 1: it or you just well, well, we all fall on
Speaker 1: different lines of it. Tests says that she's a percent
Speaker 1: brain in a jar, but I would argue otherwise. Tests
Speaker 1: is like a big digger of holes. I hear, I
Speaker 1: do I want? Literally she loves to dig a hole. Well,
Speaker 1: I have a backyard and like occasionally when I feel
Speaker 1: existential dread or um just frustration with something, there's like
Speaker 1: a tree adoption event every so often in my neighborhood.
Speaker 1: And I have all these trees in pots, you know,
Speaker 1: I have them waiting for those times, and then I'll
Speaker 1: go out in the yard and dig a gigantic hole.
Speaker 1: And it's satisfying, right, It's very satisfying. I have like
Speaker 1: the world's worst shovel, so I really have to work
Speaker 1: in it, and that's how I get it out. But
Speaker 1: I don't consider it exercise even though it hurts. That
Speaker 1: is exercise, that it's using your body to do something
Speaker 1: that's satisfying, which is I feel like what I like
Speaker 1: about Leslie's exercise practice whatever Leslie would like to call it,
Speaker 1: What do you think of it? It's like an art
Speaker 1: practice that involves exercise, but it's about like practical things,
Speaker 1: like um, getting out. You did one that was about
Speaker 1: like lifting things in the way that is like the best,
Speaker 1: the most efficient way to get up efficient. I like
Speaker 1: the way to do it properly so you don't like
Speaker 1: sunk up your back and shoulders, which is yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean my relationship to exercise and movement
Speaker 1: is like for sure evolved over the last uh well
Speaker 1: long long time because I grew up in l A
Speaker 1: in the middle of like fitness culture, which I totally resented,
Speaker 1: and um, I think I lived a very brain in
Speaker 1: the jar kind of existence except for like doing Emily. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was a swimmer. I did do some sports. I
Speaker 1: did actually many sports, but not very many compared to
Speaker 1: like my super athlete friends. When I like one of
Speaker 1: my best friends when I was a little little kid,
Speaker 1: became a professional football player, and but I did gymnastics
Speaker 1: until I got too tall for that. And and then
Speaker 1: once I was in high school and started to dabble
Speaker 1: in photography, I think that the dark room kind of
Speaker 1: swallowed me up and I did fully come out of
Speaker 1: that until I got a trainer for a bit in
Speaker 1: l A. Through a job that I had, and um,
Speaker 1: this trainer worked with me three times a week and
Speaker 1: it was oddly something that my work was paying for.
Speaker 1: So I just took full advantage of that because they
Speaker 1: weren't paying me very well. I think that they were
Speaker 1: paying you for like, um, superficial reasons, like they wanted
Speaker 1: to make sure that all of their people, and I
Speaker 1: think it was just like, um, something that they weren't
Speaker 1: fully aware of. It was just like insurance full It
Speaker 1: was a glitch, a glitch in the matrix. There was
Speaker 1: a glitch that I found in the matrix and I
Speaker 1: really really liked it. Actually, it was so funny because
Speaker 1: we were like so so poor at that time, but
Speaker 1: it was like you were going to this fancy gym,
Speaker 1: like and I still remember where it was because it
Speaker 1: was so unusual to be in a place like that,
Speaker 1: a penthouse gym, yeah, overlooked, and we were like out
Speaker 1: on the patio like swinging kettlebells. Is like the first
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Speaker 1: and I was like, Oh, you could just live here.
Speaker 1: They stop people from just living here. I have this thing,
Speaker 1: I wrote, like, because I wasn't equinox member. When I
Speaker 1: was at the verge end Um, I had to quit.
Speaker 1: When I can report to be an Equinox member. But
Speaker 1: I like wrote a thing that I never published anywhere
Speaker 1: that was like my goodbye to all that, but about Equinox?
Speaker 1: Can I publish that? Actually it might have been lost
Speaker 1: in my computer when I I mean what that made
Speaker 1: me think of those? Like how? How? I think there's
Speaker 1: like impediments to people getting into adopting that into their
Speaker 1: lifestyle because like one, they like feel like they could
Speaker 1: never identify as somebody goes to a gym or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's what we're talking about. It is like
Speaker 1: as like an as like a nerd girl. You have
Speaker 1: to be like, well, I'm not a gym and I
Speaker 1: hate my body and I will never acknowledge that it's there,
Speaker 1: and I will do everything in my power to deny
Speaker 1: my body. But I saw it as like functional. I
Speaker 1: was like, my body is for like getting me from
Speaker 1: one place to another, but not that like I don't
Speaker 1: want it doesn't have to be ornamental. I can just
Speaker 1: be exactly the truck that drives me around my body.
Speaker 1: I'm very respectful of other people's exercise routines. I find
Speaker 1: it very I've done it before, and I did Power
Speaker 1: of Ten. I think it was called for a while
Speaker 1: where it's like just lifting as much as you can lift,
Speaker 1: and tests can really lift some stuff because she has kids,
Speaker 1: So I think your brain in a jar at all.
Speaker 1: No she's not, but I respect that your conviction that
Speaker 1: you are. I think it's more that I went through
Speaker 1: periods where I would like really just spend a lot
Speaker 1: of time, Like in college, I spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time in the gym because it was free at school,
Speaker 1: and I think I was really interested in becoming like
Speaker 1: super super strong. But then eventually it just made me
Speaker 1: like just crazy hungry all the time, so much hungrier
Speaker 1: than a real person should be, because I was expecting
Speaker 1: so many calories when I was starving. It's like I
Speaker 1: was preparing for someone to like want to fight or something.
Speaker 1: I now do. I try to be active, like if
Speaker 1: it's easier, you know, if I can walk someplace, I will.
Speaker 1: I'm lifting kids and bags and I like to carry
Speaker 1: stuff for people. If the opportunity arises of a work
Speaker 1: where is media in l A. I'm very aware of
Speaker 1: the kind of like the vanity of feeling as though
Speaker 1: um it's not like a spiritual or like you're in
Speaker 1: tune with your body thing, but it's it's more of
Speaker 1: a you know, superficial thing. I just reject it and
Speaker 1: it makes me like I'm very ornery about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a different It's like it's totally good, I think. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I always resented the like kind of fitness practices that
Speaker 1: were dominant in Los Angeles, and really it took me
Speaker 1: until moving to Berlin to like to get so down
Speaker 1: with and even then, like I was going for strength
Speaker 1: and not for some kind of an esthetic goal. Right,
Speaker 1: it's not like you know, toning your calves or whatever.
Speaker 1: People like like these really microup session things about certain
Speaker 1: parts of your body, like trendy like you know, fitness
Speaker 1: trends that come and go, or we talked about opinion,
Speaker 1: but there's all kind of stuff like that. My friends
Speaker 1: went to Across Fit. I'm like, I remember just crossed that,
Speaker 1: just being like nah, like that's not for me. Because
Speaker 1: there was one called sweat Garage where it's like they
Speaker 1: put you in a garage and they closed the garage
Speaker 1: door and they're like now you're in the sweat garage.
Speaker 1: And I was like no, now you're trapped. God, wait,
Speaker 1: that sounds awful. CrossFit where like and this this relates
Speaker 1: to like lifting things the correct way where there's a
Speaker 1: danger and I think we've talked about this on the across.
Speaker 1: It's bad. It's like you're not supposed to push yourself
Speaker 1: to the limit all the time, and that's what's good.
Speaker 1: Back to Leslie, Well, Leslie's Breakfast Studio is a lot
Speaker 1: of it is about sort of functional things. And yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that what I'm on a path
Speaker 1: too towards and what I'm trying to help facilitate other
Speaker 1: people um to do is to just be able to,
Speaker 1: um do something that prompts a positive adaptation in their bodies,
Speaker 1: so like doing stuff that feels good, that makes them stronger,
Speaker 1: that makes them more mobile, but is also just something
Speaker 1: that like becomes a really practical and sustainable part of
Speaker 1: their lives. So that's also really individual, Like people live
Speaker 1: very differently and for some folks, like CrossFit will be
Speaker 1: great actually because they're really tuned to it. It's something
Speaker 1: that will serve them, um they have more energy or
Speaker 1: whatever they're more fit for like Olympic weightlifting and gymnastics
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff that's in that package.
Speaker 1: But for other people, like CrossFit would just be like
Speaker 1: system overload, total shut down. Like they're even more alienated
Speaker 1: from fitness than UM they were when they started trying
Speaker 1: cross fit or whatever because they or they hurt themselves
Speaker 1: or something and then you really like give up for
Speaker 1: a time. Yeah, And I think it's like it's just
Speaker 1: really important to create a space where people aren't scared
Speaker 1: of UM trying to get stronger. There's like there's a
Speaker 1: way for anybody if they're like reached properly to to
Speaker 1: get stronger. It's just different for for everyone. UM. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think UM. I wanted to talk about our experience
Speaker 1: on UM on election night also Hi, everybody were on
Speaker 1: the other side of the election. But that that night, UM,
Speaker 1: I was just trying to figure out what to do,
Speaker 1: Like I had a screening that I could maybe you
Speaker 1: could go to, or you know, I was just trying
Speaker 1: to figure out what to do with myself that evening
Speaker 1: to not just go crazy. And Leslie and I ended
Speaker 1: up going to a martial arts class that, like I
Speaker 1: did not realize was going to be two and a
Speaker 1: half hours long. It was like a class and then
Speaker 1: there was just kind of a practice session in the
Speaker 1: middle of it too. There's a lot of teaching. There's
Speaker 1: a lot, Yeah, there was. It wasn't like constantly doing stuff,
Speaker 1: but it was still like by the end of it,
Speaker 1: I was like shaking, or are you good at martial arts?
Speaker 1: By the end? I mean martial arts by the end,
Speaker 1: know I got Indian burns. Yeah, but it was like
Speaker 1: it was really really great and it was so different
Speaker 1: from I've even been doing boxing lately, but it was
Speaker 1: even different from that. But it was like, it's like
Speaker 1: the opposite of brain at the jar, because like if
Speaker 1: your brain at the jar during a stressful time, like
Speaker 1: I don't know, say, any given point of the last
Speaker 1: several years, and that's what we all like about physical activity,
Speaker 1: yourselves out of the brain in a jar. And that's
Speaker 1: why it's fun to dig the hole, is because you're like,
Speaker 1: I just gotta dig the hole and like it's fun,
Speaker 1: it's mindful. The thing that's also crazy when I was
Speaker 1: talking about this, when we were talking about group fitness,
Speaker 1: like a few weeks ago, was that I started going
Speaker 1: back to the physique fifty seven and like the pop
Speaker 1: physiques of the world and stuff, and I hadn't gone
Speaker 1: for years and years to that, and I went back
Speaker 1: and it was such a culture shock, like especially because
Speaker 1: I think like I had been taking so many of
Speaker 1: my cues from you, Leslie, and or like like trying
Speaker 1: to rethink about like how I approached doing any kind
Speaker 1: of these classes. Well, No, like in the classes, it's
Speaker 1: just like so the opposite of everything. Like it's just
Speaker 1: like these models and stuff and it depends what you want.
Speaker 1: It's like they're all styles, and like I also just
Speaker 1: like as a people watcher, enjoy all the styles. Like
Speaker 1: I also enjoy going to Runyon Canyon and seeing people
Speaker 1: that are like super dressed up to work out, you know, perfect.
Speaker 1: You talk about the power of observation in terms of exercise,
Speaker 1: like if you put your self within these things, like
Speaker 1: they're really different experientially. Yeah, for sure. I go to
Speaker 1: the y m c A, which my friend Sarah got
Speaker 1: me into in part because it's like the most unintimidating Jim. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like the y m c A is all it's a
Speaker 1: lot of old people well, which we go to different wise,
Speaker 1: but mine is also mostly people over sixty and people
Speaker 1: and naked and body confident, which is my favor just
Speaker 1: like good sense of community at the y, like you
Speaker 1: get to know the people your your time frame tends
Speaker 1: to line up, so eventually you have like pretty deep
Speaker 1: discussions with your nine year old. I've also heard some
Speaker 1: really like I eavesdrop, you know, obviously in the locker room.
Speaker 1: And I heard a really interesting like prop ten conversation
Speaker 1: last right before the vote. Um it was a couple
Speaker 1: of people talking about how they were voting. Yes, um
Speaker 1: r I p prop toon. We're still going to figure
Speaker 1: out in control in Los Angeles. But one of the
Speaker 1: reasons that we're talking about fitness so much is because
Speaker 1: we have to get soul for the apocalypse. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not getting swollen you guys, but I
Speaker 1: am supporting you getting I think when in terms of
Speaker 1: this whole sentiment of like getting swollen for the apocalypse
Speaker 1: that to me as a professional, like it totally shuts
Speaker 1: me down. I'm just like, nope, nope, nope, nope. Like
Speaker 1: my role as a like fitness mentor is sort of
Speaker 1: to help to get people to do training just out
Speaker 1: of a sense of curiosity and not for any specific purpose,
Speaker 1: even though it could be functional. Like I think that
Speaker 1: it's more about like what will happen if we try
Speaker 1: to do this like in a safe obviously, in like
Speaker 1: a safe and prepared environment, or like expand your notion
Speaker 1: of what your body can do or something, because there's
Speaker 1: like some inherent used to that even if you're not
Speaker 1: good at whatever you're doing. Yeah, yeah, which is kind
Speaker 1: of like this like notion of self and posed enrichment
Speaker 1: that I'm like a big, big believer in and kind
Speaker 1: of doing things for no reason. Like last year I
Speaker 1: just started climbing up these mountains because I realized that,
Speaker 1: Like I was like, if I don't, if I don't
Speaker 1: start summiting mountains, I'm never gonna be a summit or
Speaker 1: so I got to get going. And I'm like not
Speaker 1: a mountaineer. I'm not even a hiker at all. I
Speaker 1: was raised like in the concrete jungle of l A.
Speaker 1: But I mean we used to go on hikes, and you,
Speaker 1: like I, I would like die. I would die on
Speaker 1: hikes with Emily. I got so gung home in hiking,
Speaker 1: like it became a really love beating me. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I loved it so much. Leslie, did you get strong
Speaker 1: to become stronger than Emily? That all comes down to that. Oh,
Speaker 1: this is what we're talking about. This, this is going
Speaker 1: to culminate in an arm wrestling championship. Yeah, well I
Speaker 1: call arm wrestling. I'm already putting money only. I'm sorry, Molly.
Speaker 1: I feel like you've got secret strength you don't even
Speaker 1: know about. You're probably, yeah, you're probably. Like you know,
Speaker 1: they always talk about like moms can lift a car
Speaker 1: if they see like a car coming towards the adrenaline,
Speaker 1: you could summon that adrenaline. Mom's moms can lift a lot.
Speaker 1: Like I sometimes que moms when we're like doing a
Speaker 1: dead lift. I'll tell them that like their kids trapped
Speaker 1: under a car, and then like all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: they can lift like twenty k that's like forty four
Speaker 1: pounds more. Oh my god, your brain switched to Quilo's leslie.
Speaker 1: How long did that take? Totally European, guys, And just
Speaker 1: like I'm in my American suit, you're like toning down
Speaker 1: your l a voice right now, though I know I've
Speaker 1: been trying real hard to have a New York voice,
Speaker 1: a New York voice. Yeah, well I'm trying to have
Speaker 1: it right now. You guys can't tell Oh my God,
Speaker 1: you're not loud enough. You have to like yell your
Speaker 1: opinion like everybody yelling at the same time. Would be
Speaker 1: a New York New York voice as a Los Angeles
Speaker 1: person who likes to yell my inion at people. Let's
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Speaker 1: What is that? Is it a monster? Monster? Is it
Speaker 1: one of those like little gummy ones? Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I love those so much. I realized I've started biting
Speaker 1: my nails again. Are you guys into fidgeting? Because I
Speaker 1: had a fidget cube and I couldn't figure. I was like,
Speaker 1: none of these buttons push. It's like it's supposed to
Speaker 1: frustrate you or something. So I was like, I need
Speaker 1: to just get like a fidget thing that's not gonna
Speaker 1: make me square. It's like a it's a fidget cube,
Speaker 1: and it's like a little plastic cube and it has
Speaker 1: like little kind of button protuberances on it and like
Speaker 1: little switches. It's you're just both basically supposed to like
Speaker 1: play with it. It's like a fidget spinner. But if
Speaker 1: you have like, um, if you bite your nails or
Speaker 1: if you like pick your cuticles, you just kind of
Speaker 1: it's something to do with your hands. Like I took
Speaker 1: up knitting to also try and um stop doing that.
Speaker 1: But I couldn't end like my things. I just have
Speaker 1: like really long I've been compulsively baking, which is maybe
Speaker 1: the opposite of doing martial arts and boxing. It's but
Speaker 1: you can't actually because you're right, it's all I'm a
Speaker 1: Leslie bigs Pies. You punch that bread also, and you
Speaker 1: need it. Sometimes we should take a night email. Perhaps
Speaker 1: let's do it. So we're gonna take a night email.
Speaker 1: And as always, if you want to send us an email,
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Speaker 1: You can also give us a call at one two
Speaker 1: four oh four six night. This email comes to us
Speaker 1: from Daniel, and Daniel says, dear Night Operators, I just
Speaker 1: finished watching Titanic for the first time. I'm thirty four
Speaker 1: and have obstinately even proudly refused to watch it into
Speaker 1: now because I thought I was too cool. I was wrong.
Speaker 1: I'm a little drunk. I watched it alone, so maybe
Speaker 1: I missed something. But what the fuck? The ending? The
Speaker 1: last scene we're in all one, weird, dissolved. We go
Speaker 1: from underwater and all the people that died are still
Speaker 1: in the Titanic. So Rose dies and Jack is waiting
Speaker 1: for her with all the ghosts Titanic limbo? What is
Speaker 1: the moral? No one ever escapes the Titanic. It's the
Speaker 1: shining underwater, another frozen Jack, trapped forever in some gilded age,
Speaker 1: parallel universe, so intensely dark. Why did no one tell
Speaker 1: me about this? I've been planning a night call since
Speaker 1: I listened to the Annihilation episode because it got me
Speaker 1: thinking about cosmic horror, like what is the definition? I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask, what are some of your favorite cosmic
Speaker 1: horror movies? But now I have to ask, is Titanic
Speaker 1: a cosmic horror movie? I know there are no aliens
Speaker 1: or no body horror, but there is the crushing indifference
Speaker 1: of the North Atlantic and the tentacle ropes whooping around,
Speaker 1: and the sheer scale of the disaster driving sailors to suicide.
Speaker 1: The ship is an elder god returning to the deep
Speaker 1: to become a tiny hell for all the souls that's swallowed.
Speaker 1: So yeah, other than the Titanic, what are your favorite
Speaker 1: cosmic horror movies? Thanks? Dan? Wow, what a great night.
Speaker 1: Excellent night. It hit all the points. Yeah, it's good,
Speaker 1: It's real good. I really like the read of Titanic
Speaker 1: as a cosmic horror movie. I don't think it's wrong,
Speaker 1: if only because what was I thinking about recently? Where
Speaker 1: When I saw it when I was in seventh grade,
Speaker 1: I was sort of surprised that I didn't cry at
Speaker 1: the end when everybody else said that they tried, But
Speaker 1: I cried at the beginning because I knew it was
Speaker 1: going to happen, Like I cried when they were leaving
Speaker 1: the port. There's something else like that recently that I
Speaker 1: watched that I felt like was the same. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: like a star is born, Like I cry when she
Speaker 1: goes on stage because it's like the best that it's
Speaker 1: going to be, you know, and it's all downhill from
Speaker 1: there that happened. They don't even know. Yeah, I have
Speaker 1: no idea. I did not like Titanic at all. You've
Speaker 1: never liked Titantic Titanic when you were a child, why not?
Speaker 1: Because I thought this is so mean. I was like
Speaker 1: Minaro DiCaprio had like already peaked by that point, what
Speaker 1: peaching Romeo and Juliet he did it. He was already
Speaker 1: a square head by Titanic. You're like saying what I thought.
Speaker 1: Ever since I was like, you know, since Titanic came out,
Speaker 1: like I felt the exact same way. But I think
Speaker 1: I've always been afraid to admit that to myself. Well,
Speaker 1: he's a very damp boy. Also, he's a damp boy.
Speaker 1: They tried to like like Timothy shallow Ma they're making
Speaker 1: into a damp boy now. But but Leo was like
Speaker 1: the original dance, so that kind of damn point. I
Speaker 1: don't get Timothy shallow me at all. And it's the
Speaker 1: exact same appeal as I find no appeal in Timothy Well,
Speaker 1: because you're not you're not thirteen. Leo at least had
Speaker 1: like a tinge of like threatening nous to him, Like
Speaker 1: Timothy shallowmy is so unthreatening. It's like for people that
Speaker 1: don't actually want to kiss boys. Yet they're like, I'm
Speaker 1: scariest boy in the world, but he's a little more
Speaker 1: interesting than Justin Bieber, which was the same noime Justin
Speaker 1: Bieber's got edged no but original, original, original recipe. Justin
Speaker 1: Bieber was like the most even then you should sense
Speaker 1: the darkness, you think, baby, baby, Baby, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of darkness. And though um, I like the idea of
Speaker 1: the iceberg making it a cosmic horror movie because obviously
Speaker 1: there's a lot of icebergs, and like HP Lovecraft, that's
Speaker 1: what the the ancient alien live in a couple of them. Well,
Speaker 1: all all North Pole things are existential too. I mean
Speaker 1: anything having to do like like like Frankenstein like feels
Speaker 1: like cosmic horror, just because it starts with like this
Speaker 1: wreck in the Arctic, Like that's terrifying to me, cosmic horror.
Speaker 1: It's like what I was going to say, Number one,
Speaker 1: that's the best. I mean, initially I was going with Alien,
Speaker 1: but I think two thousand one is you can't realize
Speaker 1: we've talked. Alien is a hybrid cosmic horror slasher Instagram
Speaker 1: with a little bit of body horror, pregnancy horror, pregnancy
Speaker 1: horror sprinkled in in revisiting Titanic. It is a very
Speaker 1: dated movie, I think, but I definitely cried in the well, yeah,
Speaker 1: like I saw it in the theater as a child,
Speaker 1: and the idea, I think mostly like the parts that
Speaker 1: maybe cry were like the band played on aspect, it's
Speaker 1: really sad to see musicians playing on a sinking ship.
Speaker 1: I felt like it was a good allegory for the
Speaker 1: sixth grade or whatever seventh grade year. It was deeply depressing.
Speaker 1: The story of Titanic is just super sad on its nose, clearly,
Speaker 1: and you don't really need a love story to make
Speaker 1: it depressing, because I feel like I was crying more
Speaker 1: at the broad stroke. It was such a broad movie.
Speaker 1: That's like he tried to be specific. Yeah, he's poor
Speaker 1: and she's rich, and then there's love and longing and
Speaker 1: they don't get remember enjoying. You know. It's a very
Speaker 1: sad image and you can put it in any movie
Speaker 1: and I'd probably cry. It's just someone being freezing cold
Speaker 1: in water. Remember, I can't watch that without being like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's so awful to be freezing cold in water and
Speaker 1: just die that way a little like God, Molly, you're
Speaker 1: still just you thought that the special effects and Titanic
Speaker 1: were whatever. I mean when he was especially when he
Speaker 1: was freezing to death. I thought the makeup was a
Speaker 1: little bit like really like was like over the top.
Speaker 1: But it's like I mean, but you understand that. It's
Speaker 1: like in conversation with like A Night to Remember in
Speaker 1: all these old like three hour I don't like it's
Speaker 1: it's not as good as those movies. It's better than
Speaker 1: a Night to Remember. It's like also, like how this
Speaker 1: turned into a James Cameron podcast accidentally, and we're all
Speaker 1: always teetering on the edge of the coming to James
Speaker 1: Cameron podcast. That's all I was going to bring up
Speaker 1: was Terminator two. Is my only reason to think that's
Speaker 1: why we have to get swollen for the apocalypse is
Speaker 1: Terminator too Well, it doesn't help to be swollen anymore, Molly.
Speaker 1: That's the sad truth of it. I think you need
Speaker 1: to learn have to throw a punch. Um yeah, oh
Speaker 1: my god. The other I'm trying to think of like
Speaker 1: cosmic horror movies, and it's not a cosmic horror movie,
Speaker 1: but it's like a cosmic like like cosmic wonder movie,
Speaker 1: which I think then sometimes do a lot of the
Speaker 1: same things, which is Arrival, which is probably my most
Speaker 1: recent favorite movie. Um, certainly my favorite movie of It's
Speaker 1: like an upbeat, cosmic horror movie. Well it's not even
Speaker 1: upbeat because it's actually like there's like a very dark
Speaker 1: premise at the end of it. But the kind of
Speaker 1: the scale I think is the big thing, like like
Speaker 1: what he's talking about with the ship and Titanic, Like
Speaker 1: I think that thing of like the just wildness like
Speaker 1: that happens to your brain. We see a gigantic ship
Speaker 1: like that was my favorite part was the end when
Speaker 1: it sank. Sorry, um, that's I mean, we all that's
Speaker 1: what we're there for. Money shot, right, it's like a
Speaker 1: Star is Born. You're like, but again the money shot
Speaker 1: of a Star is Born that I'm still mad, isn't
Speaker 1: in the Newest Stars Born? Is that? In all the
Speaker 1: other versions? He walks into the ocean to die, And
Speaker 1: all I wanted was to see Brod the Cooper walk
Speaker 1: into the ocean to die. We'll never get to see it.
Speaker 1: They're far from the Shallows. Now, you just wanted that
Speaker 1: literally just hid at the end and he just runs.
Speaker 1: He walks into the ocean and it's an ice per
Speaker 1: um We also had another bit of feedback via our
Speaker 1: Facebook group, which you can find on Facebook dot COUMN.
Speaker 1: If you're still UM a member of Facebook doc A member?
Speaker 1: Is that what you call it? No? A user? UM
Speaker 1: I had said that that Missouri was a southern state
Speaker 1: last week, and this is apparently controversial, um I, And
Speaker 1: maybe this is not right, but it's what I feel
Speaker 1: in my heart. UM. My general rule of thumb as
Speaker 1: if it has waffle house, it's southern. And Missouri has
Speaker 1: waffle house. UM in Iowa, which borders it to the
Speaker 1: north where I live, does not. Kansas, which borders borders
Speaker 1: it to the west, does not Illinois. There might be
Speaker 1: a couple of waffle houses southern southern Illinois, like um,
Speaker 1: like champagne or band maybe, but I don't think. I
Speaker 1: don't know the Midwestern version of waffle house. What do
Speaker 1: you have instead? Potato house, corn house, cheese house, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just any place that they served cheese curds. I would
Speaker 1: go to cheese house. I don't even like cheese, and
Speaker 1: I'd go to cheese house just to see. I want
Speaker 1: to regional dinners. Yeah, I mean the charm of waffle
Speaker 1: house is it's so bare bones, like it's such a
Speaker 1: it's such a clean space, fucking rule. Yeah. I had
Speaker 1: never been there, and I went to Florida and the
Speaker 1: first time much of Florida didn't go. And then I
Speaker 1: was like, how did I not go? It's the only
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to do back and went and it
Speaker 1: was it lived up to the legend. What did you get?
Speaker 1: Just like the regular stuff? Like I was just like,
Speaker 1: it's so cool that it's open twenty four hours. That's
Speaker 1: which we had that here. It's like, I mean, I've
Speaker 1: but they have the same menu everywhere. Yeah. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: I just want to say that we have to concede though,
Speaker 1: because the person who posted in the night Callers group
Speaker 1: has lived in St. Louis for nearly thirty years, and
Speaker 1: I exclaimed it's midwestern. I'm gonna say, I said, I know,
Speaker 1: I feel like people from Missouri think of it as midwestern,
Speaker 1: but I agree that it is like a gateway to
Speaker 1: the south. Perhaps let's say it's ninety five percent midwestern
Speaker 1: five southern. I'm gonna I'm gonna pitch something else to
Speaker 1: you guys. Okay, And again, not having lived in Missouri,
Speaker 1: but having lived north of Missouri and having also had
Speaker 1: had family in Kansas, in eastern Kansas, so we would
Speaker 1: be in Missouri all the time because most of Kansas
Speaker 1: City is in Missouri. UM, and that's where the waffle
Speaker 1: house is. Because I went to go see Weezer once
Speaker 1: in Kansas City and we had to go over to
Speaker 1: the Missouri side to go to waffle house. Afterwards, we're
Speaker 1: gonna say Kansas City is technically the south and the
Speaker 1: rest of Missouri. No, no, no, no, because Kansas is
Speaker 1: a free state. So uh no, Kansas is not a
Speaker 1: southern state. Is that the divider, that's the real divider,
Speaker 1: that's the real divider um and makes sense. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: the other thing about Missouri that I just feel like
Speaker 1: a mid western state would not have Brandson in it
Speaker 1: a southern state. I feel like Branson is so Midwestern.
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Speaker 1: Before we transition in to the non non corporeal realm,
Speaker 1: Like there wasn't There was definitely a year where I
Speaker 1: decided to like acknowledge the fact that I had a body.
Speaker 1: And it was when I was in college. I was
Speaker 1: at Loyal Mayor Amount. Both of our like so impressed,
Speaker 1: half Alma Maters Leslian I both went to the Darkest Secret.
Speaker 1: It's like the whole the most horrible place in the world.
Speaker 1: I just went there for the first time to do it.
Speaker 1: You show the campus. The campus is hell. It's so
Speaker 1: gothic that the old buildings, the original buildings there are
Speaker 1: really nice. Um but I don't know, out in the
Speaker 1: spooky middle of nowhere and it's really weird side. But
Speaker 1: they had a big gym there and I took my
Speaker 1: first ever yoga class there. I remember. I remember it
Speaker 1: so vividly because I've never done any kind of working
Speaker 1: out or gone to a gym or anything like that before.
Speaker 1: And I was like, this is that we all did
Speaker 1: a lot of free fitness and probably got some free
Speaker 1: healthcare in college. Yeah free, yeah. Actually that that's um.
Speaker 1: That is super important to me though, this this like
Speaker 1: accessibility issue because that's I think one of the things
Speaker 1: that people just don't go because it's so bloody expensive,
Speaker 1: like it just is crazy. And then in the end,
Speaker 1: it really like it's hard, exercises hard, and it's uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: and if it's also expensive, like only some crazy freaks
Speaker 1: are going to go for it, and um, we've already
Speaker 1: got those people. But um, I'm trying to like bring
Speaker 1: it to the masses and just make also something that
Speaker 1: like everybody feels comfortable. Yeah, yeah, I don't want it
Speaker 1: to be an art form that's out of reach to
Speaker 1: the common people, such as opera. This is also incorrect, okay,
Speaker 1: because we're going to talk about Phantom of the Opera
Speaker 1: in a second. Hair Leslie surprised me with tickets to Phantom.
Speaker 1: It's one of the best things that's ever happened to
Speaker 1: me in my life that somebody's surprised me with Broadway tickets.
Speaker 1: But I have to say, on the economic and accessibility
Speaker 1: side of it, it's so much more expensive to see Phantom,
Speaker 1: like the most performed show, than to go to the
Speaker 1: actual opera. Um yeah, I've got I go to the
Speaker 1: met like semi like I go like a couple of
Speaker 1: times a year, and you can get a seat there
Speaker 1: for like thirty dollars. Like I had no idea. I
Speaker 1: was very lucile blue about how much it would cost
Speaker 1: to go to the operation totally reason how much could
Speaker 1: it cost? Two thousands? It is somewhat expensive. It's expensive
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, according to Beause, because I think it's better.
Speaker 1: I think it's better Los Angeles, less of it maybe. Also,
Speaker 1: but it's supposed to be a more thriving scene in
Speaker 1: l A, the opera scene than in New York. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that in the general consensus. And I'm an idiot,
Speaker 1: so I can't tell the difference. But from what I
Speaker 1: hear it's in it's in hard Times. Right now is
Speaker 1: fully Fraser podcast away. I'm wearing a turtleneck and talking
Speaker 1: about the um you went to see a show on Broadway?
Speaker 1: That was my first Broadway show. Also, yeah, it was
Speaker 1: like like Times Square. Yeah, yeah, wasn't magic, It was
Speaker 1: that the Majestic. So it was majestic. Was it a
Speaker 1: mattenee or a night show? It was a night show
Speaker 1: we went to which I guess my friend Max's dad
Speaker 1: used to hang out in the sixties and it was
Speaker 1: full of cool people and he took me on a
Speaker 1: magical Times Square adventure. I do anyway, we don't go
Speaker 1: to sarties though somebody bathroom It was oh, yeah, we
Speaker 1: went to Yeah, we went to um Frank's. I went
Speaker 1: to a dive bar, and I was like, oh, we
Speaker 1: walked into like nineteen fifties New York. This is the
Speaker 1: best stay here. Oh I'm gonna go. You saw so
Speaker 1: you stepped into the eighties with Andrew Lord Webber. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: so you should give your background why this outing and why? Then? Well,
Speaker 1: I grew up in a really I grew up in
Speaker 1: l A. But I was raised in a very conservative,
Speaker 1: evangelical Christian family, and um, so it was a bit
Speaker 1: of a bubble to say the least. And we just
Speaker 1: had like Christian music CDs available. Um, besides that, it
Speaker 1: was this Billy Joel double CD, Whitney Houston, Whitney Pointer
Speaker 1: Sisters and the Phantom of the Opera soundcheck. And so
Speaker 1: I listened to The Phantom of the Opera before I
Speaker 1: even like saw it or the story or anything. And
Speaker 1: I was fully like recreating it for my parents, like
Speaker 1: as like a childhood like after dinner show with my
Speaker 1: cat and my brother and like my next door neighbor
Speaker 1: who was five, and and we'd like do these like
Speaker 1: long whatever performances of it and pop up behind the
Speaker 1: couch or like my brother would be the Phantom with
Speaker 1: the cape the cutest um. Anyway, then we did actually
Speaker 1: go see Family Opera because I loved it so much.
Speaker 1: I think I saw it twice, and um, it made
Speaker 1: it made an impression on me, a really big impression,
Speaker 1: and I was aware of that. I loved all the
Speaker 1: music um forever and ever, but until Emily and I
Speaker 1: went back. Oh no, actually I should back up a
Speaker 1: little bit. Like two years ago, I was thinking about
Speaker 1: that song, um, the Music of the Night, because it
Speaker 1: was like doing some writing and I was thinking about
Speaker 1: the lyrics of the song and like it's about like
Speaker 1: surrendering yourself to the night, and how much I think
Speaker 1: that it's sort of like set the stage for all
Speaker 1: my wildness, like and and sort of inner allegiances even
Speaker 1: to the present day, to the night and nighttime activities,
Speaker 1: and it's very like it's unsual and erotic. Okay, So
Speaker 1: I saw The Phantom of the Opera as a child,
Speaker 1: also like Leslie, because my mom's friend Marge invited her
Speaker 1: to see it at the Pantageous and my mom was like, NA,
Speaker 1: like I'm not interested, but like why don't you take Molly?
Speaker 1: No too lowbrow for me take my daughter. And that
Speaker 1: was like for sure, like my one of my first
Speaker 1: experiences with like super lowbrow, like just kitch. And I
Speaker 1: was like I love it, you know, um like stuff
Speaker 1: that my cool parents are like this is a little
Speaker 1: too like stupid and um a little basic for them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it is a spectacle. It's such a spectacle for romance.
Speaker 1: And I got obsessed with it and I had like
Speaker 1: did you read the book? The book? I read the
Speaker 1: original book and then I had like a coffee table
Speaker 1: book that has like the lyrics in it. And I
Speaker 1: also tried to stage like a youth production of fandom
Speaker 1: of the opera at my elementary school with well, I
Speaker 1: like we I cast my friends, I was the director
Speaker 1: and also cast myself in the crucial but small role
Speaker 1: of Megg. I was like, that's the role I can play.
Speaker 1: Well still maintaining production Broadway, we got to a point
Speaker 1: where we had someone's dad recorded vhs of us like
Speaker 1: performing something from it. Um. My friend Jesse was the phantom.
Speaker 1: It was an all female production. It's like a talk
Speaker 1: for a view of fandom of the opera. I feel
Speaker 1: like I learned about Broadway songs because there was no Internet.
Speaker 1: From the airplane radio station. There was like an airplane
Speaker 1: radio station that was like hits of Broadway when you're
Speaker 1: on an airplane and you could she's like eight different channels. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and there's one that's like songs current Broadway hits of
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties. When I would have been on this plane, Well,
Speaker 1: I knew all the songs, and I had seen it.
Speaker 1: I went to go see it because there was a
Speaker 1: touring company that came Toto Moyne when I was in
Speaker 1: high school, and we went with the drama club to
Speaker 1: go see Phantom like a matt Nation fanom and I
Speaker 1: fell asleep during it. I thought it was so boring.
Speaker 1: But I knew all the songs because I don't know
Speaker 1: it just like I knew maybe you didn't really fall asleep,
Speaker 1: you were just taken to like maybe I did. Ware
Speaker 1: on a boat. I remember our seats were really like
Speaker 1: far to the right, so I never got the full
Speaker 1: effect of the boat ride, which is like so incredible.
Speaker 1: The sequence, okay, so like the sequence of them going
Speaker 1: down when they do the Phantom of the Opera song
Speaker 1: and then the boat ride and then when he sees
Speaker 1: so insane there was an eighties boom. I feel like
Speaker 1: it was like at the same time probably as some
Speaker 1: vegasy stuff. It was like a boom in practical effects
Speaker 1: in Big musical right, the helicopter and Missagon like le
Speaker 1: MSS and Phantom to me are like the big ones
Speaker 1: where it was like, like the reason you would go
Speaker 1: because like who wants to see a musical. You're going
Speaker 1: because it's like a crazy like stage experience, and then
Speaker 1: it's something for the husbands to be like, wow, I
Speaker 1: can't believe they pulled that off. Yeah. I remember my
Speaker 1: dad telling me, like about the chandeli. He's like the
Speaker 1: ship they dropped the chandelier in the audience literally all
Speaker 1: like a father would care like, well, it's so like
Speaker 1: grand gun y'all to to be like, oh, like you
Speaker 1: know some violent, crazy operator Like I like all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I like that genre. I like Gothic romance and fireballs.
Speaker 1: That makes no sense that that's just like special Power
Speaker 1: is like he's like, like fireworks, they're silent, so it's
Speaker 1: like really kind of under like they're really bright, they're
Speaker 1: like flares that shoot across, but there's no it's just
Speaker 1: like and then it's like, what did they actually do though,
Speaker 1: Like this is like the scene when she's at her
Speaker 1: father's grave where they're really nailing home the daddy issues
Speaker 1: of the entire show, and then he's like talking to
Speaker 1: her about like don't you miss my father in gaze?
Speaker 1: And uh, it's like a deeply psycho sexual show. And
Speaker 1: I mean, to be fair, I haven't seen it since
Speaker 1: I was like seven, And have you watched it again?
Speaker 1: Has anyone seen the movie? No, I'm curious about it.
Speaker 1: Isn't it like Gerard Butler Emmy Rassam is. So I
Speaker 1: did a lot of like like poking around afterwards because
Speaker 1: I even though I think that the show is pretty nonfunctional,
Speaker 1: as I think a few Andrew Lloyd Webber shows are, like,
Speaker 1: there was something still so captivated about all of the
Speaker 1: because it's like it's it's bad, but it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: because it's entertaining, which to me is like that makes
Speaker 1: it good. I get, but there are elements that I
Speaker 1: think are actually genuinely good about it. It's just that
Speaker 1: there's so much stuff that is like, yeah, and the
Speaker 1: songs or whatever, and like some of the good ones,
Speaker 1: but Cats, you have to all see Cats really makes
Speaker 1: no sense? Yeah, Cats Yeah, you just have to imagine
Speaker 1: somebody making some of these musicals and then getting the cats.
Speaker 1: Now we're doing this musical because Starlight expresses like everyone's
Speaker 1: on roller skates and their trains, right, you know, Rachel
Speaker 1: Sign right now. I think they're a lot for racial
Speaker 1: And I was in Jesus Christ Superstar testam for not
Speaker 1: in fact, in Jesus Christ Supers not for lack of trying.
Speaker 1: I didn't make the cut, but that's probably the best
Speaker 1: Andrewid Webber musical. Yeah, I feel like I also saw
Speaker 1: Joseph at the Tchnicolor Dream Code as a kid, because
Speaker 1: it's like a real kid musical. But the thing about
Speaker 1: Phantom is that, like, despite all that stuff, I think, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I like thinking about Fantom because it's
Speaker 1: so freaking popular, Like it is like it's been running
Speaker 1: so horny. Were you saying it's like the original fifty
Speaker 1: Shades of Yeah, there's so many children in the audience.
Speaker 1: It was just like, oh my goodness, all these little kids.
Speaker 1: And you know what, though a lot of musicals, like
Speaker 1: I saw news Ease, which is like, on the surface,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't think it's that horny, but it is so
Speaker 1: horny the whole time, just all these guys like jumping
Speaker 1: over stuff. I cried at the beginning of this was
Speaker 1: like last year, by the way, was good, the live
Speaker 1: stage version at the Pantages that I like cried when
Speaker 1: it started because I was just like spectacle. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: beginning of Phantom. I cried when like they're doing the
Speaker 1: auction and like they reanimate the It so scary because
Speaker 1: it's haunted. It's like it's lights back up and lifts
Speaker 1: slowly over the audience and it's very just like Broadway itself,
Speaker 1: like reperforming and reperforming and reperforming in like this, like
Speaker 1: the shandel there is like in the psyche of so
Speaker 1: many people in the United States. Again, there's this amazing
Speaker 1: video I found of chandelier drops at different video, but
Speaker 1: that's what I was wondering. It's like, has it never
Speaker 1: gone wrong? Obviously, Well, you can compare speed. You can
Speaker 1: also compare the evil cackle of the Fantom. It's one
Speaker 1: of the best elements. I was crying while I was
Speaker 1: watching this video because for some reason, like over the
Speaker 1: course of like thirties, schandelier drops, Like what are we
Speaker 1: doing as a society, Like what's going on? Why is
Speaker 1: this the most popular. It's so sacramental. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: watching the time square ball dropped, just like over and
Speaker 1: over again, any video where you just watch something happen
Speaker 1: a million activity or something. It's like the Fidget Square
Speaker 1: like the Fidget. What is the last live musical before
Speaker 1: Phantom that you saw? I saw a great comment. That
Speaker 1: was the first Broadway show I saw, which is like
Speaker 1: the thing where you're like sitting in the middle of
Speaker 1: the show and they're like all around. It's like a
Speaker 1: dinner theater type thing, except all they have this vodka. Um,
Speaker 1: so just like our live show basically dinner theater. That
Speaker 1: was pretty cool. I mean my my main show though
Speaker 1: probably before that. The last thing I had seen was
Speaker 1: lame Is, because I've seen that a couple of times,
Speaker 1: and that's like my actual show of show. I've actually
Speaker 1: never seen lame Is. It's a great show. Actually, TuS,
Speaker 1: what about you? I don't want to answer this question,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to. Uh, it was Into the Woods
Speaker 1: at a high school. I love it the Woods. It's
Speaker 1: so good. I've never seen that. I love It's really good.
Speaker 1: We were both in that, Yes, we were both in
Speaker 1: that kind We directed you're directed at this high school.
Speaker 1: So when they do Into the Woods more than any
Speaker 1: other musical, it's got a big cast and there's lots
Speaker 1: of parts, so everybody. It's not like Phantom, where there's
Speaker 1: really only like two parts. I remember watching the PBS
Speaker 1: like taped version of Into the Woods, like a top Yeah,
Speaker 1: the one with them with them Bernadette, I love her
Speaker 1: so much, But isn't Into the Woods? Isn't it? We
Speaker 1: even like a bunch of fairy tales. Just to wrap
Speaker 1: up on the Phantom, the Phantom tip, I was asking
Speaker 1: if anyone else had seen Phantom of the Paradise. Oh
Speaker 1: I love that, Oh my god. Brian de Palma remake
Speaker 1: a Phantom of the Opera sent in a movie palace.
Speaker 1: Paul Williams is the Phantom, and what's her name? The
Speaker 1: chick from Suspiria is the main is the girl? I
Speaker 1: can't remember her name? Um, it is great, you will
Speaker 1: all enjoy it. It's like a seventies Well. The other
Speaker 1: thing I was going to bring up about Phantom, and
Speaker 1: like really on the on the spectacle subject, is that
Speaker 1: there's also Phantom, like a what's it called Phantom of
Speaker 1: Broadway spectacular that's the Vegas show, because while while I
Speaker 1: was watching it, I was like, this is a basically
Speaker 1: a Vegas show in a much smaller venue than I
Speaker 1: think it would be in in Vegas. But like, you go,
Speaker 1: if you're really just going to see these huge feats
Speaker 1: of stagecraft or whatever, you could cut about an hour
Speaker 1: out of the show and really like have a banger.
Speaker 1: You were really pushing for the bos lerman from the
Speaker 1: Bachelorette parties, and I had to I had to push
Speaker 1: back and be like, we're going to see magic Mike
Speaker 1: made Yeah, but I was so being like, next time
Speaker 1: we're going to go see one of those. I would
Speaker 1: also be enchanted by some circus, but they do have
Speaker 1: a Mulan Rouge stage musical. Now that this is where
Speaker 1: we part company. Just in case, if you want to
Speaker 1: go see a show next time you're in New York
Speaker 1: on Old Broadway night, call on Broadway. What if we
Speaker 1: do it just a Broadway show and it's just all
Speaker 1: shandelier drops for like two hours. Did you guys know
Speaker 1: there's a sequel to Fandom of the opera that is
Speaker 1: apparently one of the worst things ever made. Yes, people
Speaker 1: are telling me about whatever. Yeah, it's like they reunite.
Speaker 1: It's like Raoul and her end up. Um, the guy
Speaker 1: that she marries at the end, and the stupidest ending
Speaker 1: of all time, Like he ends up like kind of
Speaker 1: being a dud of a husband and then he's a
Speaker 1: dud of a character. Yeah, he's terrible. And then they
Speaker 1: go to some beach town or something. It'sn't Coney Island.
Speaker 1: That's where they believe it maybe something along those lines. No, No,
Speaker 1: Rachel is telling me it isn't Coney Island. Um, yes, correct,
Speaker 1: it's like fan fiction come to life. So absolutely, But
Speaker 1: but somebody else is telling me that. Andrew Lord Webber
Speaker 1: wrote the part of Christine for Sarah Brightman, his wife. Uh,
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, why doesn't why doesn't she
Speaker 1: just end up with him? Then, like that's clearly what
Speaker 1: how it should end. But I guess it's with the Phantom.
Speaker 1: So people can write fan fiction forever about there's not
Speaker 1: enough fan fiction of Phantom of the Opera. We looked. Definitely,
Speaker 1: it's like a Phantom is born. I feel like between
Speaker 1: Phantom of the Opera and also like Tuxedo Mask is
Speaker 1: kind of a Phantom of the Opera. Totally totally. I
Speaker 1: think that a lot of like young children of the eighties,
Speaker 1: young girls of the eighties, really in a scary mask, masks,
Speaker 1: masks and formal wear. Uh, we got really like they're
Speaker 1: they're just triggers for us, just like a scream mask
Speaker 1: in a tuxedo. Al Right, I think that does it
Speaker 1: for the sweet Thanks guys, Yeah, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for being here, Leslie. This is a delight. Thanks for
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