Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hull. That for me, I'm
Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty.
Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to
Speaker 2: be happy.
Speaker 1: You want to be happy for a day at a steak?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 1: Woo woof? And them and tie Welcome back to the
Speaker 1: solid rubber boys and girls. My name is Ty hilde Brand.
Speaker 1: That fine gentleman over there, the one and only Dan
Speaker 1: Rubinstein now back in Chicago, Land, Dan, how are you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 3: I would recommend not flying with a three month old
Speaker 3: and a two and a half year old. I think
Speaker 3: that's super not fun.
Speaker 1: You also, you also flew with like eight pounds of cheese.
Speaker 1: What to explain? Yeah, it wasn't explain to me the
Speaker 1: cheese thing. And like, did you have trouble getting through
Speaker 1: security with that? Like, what's it like trying to put
Speaker 1: that through the the scanner? Twelve pounds of cheese? Twelve
Speaker 1: pounds of cheese? Uh, there was a brand of cheese
Speaker 1: I was looking for that they didn't have in the Midwest,
Speaker 1: even though it's a brand that I think is made
Speaker 1: in the Midwest. But they had it at a restaurant
Speaker 1: supply supply store on the West Coast, but they didn't
Speaker 1: have it in.
Speaker 3: The supply store I go to here. So I knew
Speaker 3: I had a really light suitcase because a bulk of
Speaker 3: the clothes and stuff where in Jody with and I.
Speaker 3: Her suitcase had also the kids stuff. So I just
Speaker 3: had mine in a little suitcase. It was like a
Speaker 3: twelve pound suitcase and it's not overweight until like fifty
Speaker 3: and it was a checked bag. And so I said,
Speaker 3: you know what, I could throw a couple of those
Speaker 3: blue ice things in there with the two blocks of cheese,
Speaker 3: the two six pound blocks of cheese, and it's cold
Speaker 3: underneath the plane. And I just said, look, if I
Speaker 3: open my suitcase after the fact and there it's warm
Speaker 3: blocks of cheese, I'll toss it. It's not a big deal.
Speaker 1: It was not.
Speaker 3: It didn't break the bank to buy this cheese. But
Speaker 3: if they're cold still, it seems like a wind for
Speaker 3: me who goes through a lot of cheese making pizza
Speaker 3: at home. You're now officially a cheese runner. Yeah, a
Speaker 3: coyote of dairy. Yeah that's me.
Speaker 1: Have you used it yet in the pizza? No? Not yet.
Speaker 3: I will this week. And this is a college football show.
Speaker 3: This is a Q and a college football show that
Speaker 3: I promise we're going to get to momentarily. I do
Speaker 3: do do promise, but no, I have not used it yet.
Speaker 3: Later in the week I'm going to make a couple
Speaker 3: pies and see how it works out. I have to
Speaker 3: be pretty strategic with my pizza making right now, with
Speaker 3: two little ones and this and the Soliverable Universe and
Speaker 3: future solivable projects occupying my time. So I'm very excited
Speaker 3: to use the Supputo. I like Grande brand a lot,
Speaker 3: but that's harder to get Supputo Premium Gold label pizza cheese. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a slower melt tie, so you get the cheese
Speaker 3: bubbling and browning at the same rate as your dough
Speaker 3: and crust. So you're one of the weirdest people I
Speaker 3: know for admitting this one you and I love you
Speaker 3: for it.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: Just always embrace who you are and what you do.
Speaker 3: There's no reason to do otherwise. It's it's the healthiest
Speaker 3: thing to me.
Speaker 1: There it is. Well, welcome back, everybody, Thank you for listening.
Speaker 1: Two hours. So now what miniseriies that we ran throughout
Speaker 1: the month of May. Last week was the final week.
Speaker 1: Got a lot of great feedback. Got some feedback from
Speaker 1: some folks who were like, you know what, let's screw
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. I want to talk about twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: So we're going to start doing that now as we
Speaker 1: go through your questions. We had a bunch of questions,
Speaker 1: forward looking questions about the twenty twenty one season. Excited
Speaker 1: to go through those with you, Daniel. One other thing,
Speaker 1: One other housekeeping note that I'm just going to mention
Speaker 1: quickly before we play the sound and get the questions.
Speaker 1: You may recall a few weeks ago we were taking
Speaker 1: submissions at submissions at saliverble dot com email address for
Speaker 1: people who wanted to help us out, and right we
Speaker 1: had incredible outpouring of response to that request. There is
Speaker 1: now another slot that we are able to open, and
Speaker 1: that is for a social media intern. Social media is
Speaker 1: like a thing now. I don't know if you've heard
Speaker 1: of this. We're looking for a social media intern, somebody
Speaker 1: who can show us that they've done this sort of
Speaker 1: thing for not just like on a personal level, but
Speaker 1: have like worked and helps help out a little bit, yeah,
Speaker 1: others on social media sides. So submissions at soliverbal dot
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Speaker 1: submissions at soliverbal dot com for our social media intern
Speaker 1: if you're interested.
Speaker 3: Would love that, would love to hear from people interested.
Speaker 3: There's not much in the way of news before we
Speaker 3: get into the questions. As is the case, there have
Speaker 3: been some transfers. I saw Sam Noyer, the Colorado starting
Speaker 3: quarterback from last season, who was himself a converted safety.
Speaker 3: The quarterback room in Boulder is particularly thin, so it'll
Speaker 3: be JT. Shroud or it looks like Brendan Lewis, who
Speaker 3: was a red shirt freshman I believe. I saw Nick
Speaker 3: Saban got an extension for years and years, which makes sense,
Speaker 3: and we got kind of a.
Speaker 1: Rollover question about that, which maybe we did start with.
Speaker 3: Nick Saban got an extension, So you know, there's more
Speaker 3: transfers trickling in. I saw Keelan Robinson, a former blue
Speaker 3: chip running back who I had committed, who has been
Speaker 3: in the Alabama program, transferred to Texas to rejoin a
Speaker 3: number of the staff members who made that move, including
Speaker 3: obviously Sark and Kyle Flood, who is the offensive coordinator
Speaker 3: quote unquote, but it's Sark running the show and he
Speaker 3: will be running the offensive line. Flood will be so
Speaker 3: not a ton in the way of big news. I've
Speaker 3: saw that there are some we mentioned this a little bit,
Speaker 3: some kickoff issues that the PAC twelve coaches are Coach
Speaker 3: David Shaw, the Kansas State thing, it'll be we mentioned
Speaker 3: that on a previous show, or actually I think it
Speaker 3: was probably on the Patreon only show we did that.
Speaker 3: David Shaw none too pleased with the body clock game
Speaker 3: that they have against what Kansas State and Arlington at
Speaker 3: Jerry World. And I know I think the the Oregon
Speaker 3: Ohio State game is an eleven am Central, nine am
Speaker 3: Pacific kick in Columbus, So that's like the big noon
Speaker 3: Saturday because it's new Eastern time, big noon Saturday kick,
Speaker 3: so that'll be early for Oregon. I don't think I've
Speaker 3: heard anything in the way of Oregon coaches talking about
Speaker 3: that kick, but it is something that is not a
Speaker 3: terrific thing for teams flying west to east.
Speaker 1: So there's that.
Speaker 3: The PAC twelve as a new commissioner, and we'll see
Speaker 3: if kick times and TV deals and bowl deals and
Speaker 3: all that stuff gets revised, updated, as you know, whenever
Speaker 3: that TV deal comes up.
Speaker 1: So that's that.
Speaker 3: Otherwise, not too much else worth diving deep into. We
Speaker 3: have a number of really strong questions, good, good, spears,
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Speaker 1: See, you're always giving me a hard time because all
Speaker 1: I have are gray T shirts, right, and I'm wearing
Speaker 1: a great T shirt and you're wearing a great T shirt,
Speaker 1: which I didn't know before we connect it up here.
Speaker 1: So when we decided, like, oh, we have to record this,
Speaker 1: I ran into the room. I grabbed the first first
Speaker 1: non gray shirt that I could find, and it was
Speaker 1: this looks spok. You look great. You're back from your
Speaker 1: trips out west. We are back collectively as a show
Speaker 1: from our trip back into twenty twenty. I went to
Speaker 1: a restaurant for the first time yesterday and like over
Speaker 1: a year, I'm feeling good man, So why not dress up?
Speaker 1: Why not dress up? Why not? Why not build the
Speaker 1: excitement headed into this twenty twenty one season. I'm ready.
Speaker 3: All right, Let's let's start at the only place that
Speaker 3: we really should start, and that's in ames Iowa tie
Speaker 3: Brice Hall Heisman. This comes to us from Bort for
Speaker 3: baller bort or very active and fantastic. What would Bryce
Speaker 3: Hall have to do to win the Heisman? Is this team,
Speaker 3: the Clones, a realistic national championship contender? And just how
Speaker 3: badly will they beat Iowa this year? Well, let's go
Speaker 3: how badly will Iowa State beat Iowa. I'm going to
Speaker 3: say not very because that doesn't seem to be never
Speaker 3: happened the way that the world.
Speaker 1: No, necessarily no, no.
Speaker 3: They of course did not play the Syhawk game last
Speaker 3: season because the Big Ten was conference only. But early
Speaker 3: prediction on that game. I tend to like Iowa ugly
Speaker 3: because that's just the way of the world. Early prediction
Speaker 3: on that game, and how high are your expectations in
Speaker 3: terms of national conversation, because this is an Iowa State
Speaker 3: team who won a New Year's six Bowl game, last
Speaker 3: year against a legitimately good team and Breise Hall and
Speaker 3: in Nueva York.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I like Iowa State as I have
Speaker 1: every year for the last what feels like eternity. It's
Speaker 1: a fun team to root for. You'll remember back in
Speaker 1: the day way Paul Rhodes on the Show of course,
Speaker 1: friend of the Show, Paul Rhades, so proud. We've always
Speaker 1: stuck for Iowa State. I'm looking at Iowa State schedule
Speaker 1: right now. Look, Iowa State is going to have to
Speaker 1: deal with a backloaded schedule. Have to deal with the
Speaker 1: backloaded schedule. There's a good chance that they run through
Speaker 1: the first half eight games I don't know of this
Speaker 1: schedule and they go undefeated. There's a good chance of that.
Speaker 1: But what it comes down to for them is the
Speaker 1: last couple weeks of the year in November, when they've
Speaker 1: got Texts at home, they've got Oklahoma on the road,
Speaker 1: and they've got TCU at home, and then have a
Speaker 1: Big twelve championship game. If they can make it through
Speaker 1: that stretch of November, they certainly got a shot at
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve. I don't think that's too far beyond
Speaker 1: reason in terms of a pure national contender, though I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm feeling that. Man, that's a little
Speaker 1: bit of a bridge too far.
Speaker 3: I don't know how good of a chance they have
Speaker 3: it eight No, I mean, aside from Iowa they also
Speaker 3: have what Kansas State and Oklahoma State, and I know
Speaker 3: that opening and Oklahoma State has been kind of a nightmare.
Speaker 3: They have loans, I share. I just I feel like
Speaker 3: the Big twelve should be the goal. And yeah, if
Speaker 3: if you can get to eight to oho and give
Speaker 3: yourself a shot going into November, that's kind of the goal,
Speaker 3: as opposed to are we going to make the playoff?
Speaker 1: Are we going to win the Big twelve? Or undefeated?
Speaker 3: It's reasonably fair to say a year after winning the
Speaker 3: Fiesta Bal a New Year six game over another conference champion,
Speaker 3: not that Iowa State was, but by a conference champion,
Speaker 3: a P five conference champion, say, okay, where do we
Speaker 3: stand nationally now? I mean they were a balanced team
Speaker 3: with a relatively strong offense, relatively strong defense. I think
Speaker 3: they returned Greg Eysworth, he comes back, and Charlie Cohler
Speaker 3: would start at tight end for chan or anybody. Chaz
Speaker 3: excuse me, Chaz Cohler would start at tight end for
Speaker 3: damn near anybody, and they return a good amount. So
Speaker 3: I think it's a fair question to say not just
Speaker 3: Big twelve because they beat the Big twelve champion last year.
Speaker 3: They came back and beat Texas and they beat Oregon,
Speaker 3: so they their stage has grown. They're the attention the
Speaker 3: magnifying glasses grown in magnitude on the clones. The problem
Speaker 3: with Iowa State right now is I don't see a
Speaker 3: winter Wonder a killer at receiver. All due respect to
Speaker 3: Xavier Hutchinson, who I believe is back, and Rock Purdy
Speaker 3: has these disappearing acts in certain games. They had four
Speaker 3: or five straight three and outs, I believe against Oklahoma State,
Speaker 3: and I looked it up, seemed like a clear day,
Speaker 3: wasn't especially windy, there was not a monsoon situation happening,
Speaker 3: and I think they missed a semi guppy they doing
Speaker 3: the field goal, lost by three and doing the field
Speaker 3: goal late in the first half, and so there's that issue.
Speaker 3: To me, if we're going to talk about a national
Speaker 3: championship contender, I want explosive speed on offense, game breaking
Speaker 3: speed that if they are in an ugly game, they
Speaker 3: have somebody who can bust an eighty one yard run,
Speaker 3: and I like bris Hall a good amount, but I
Speaker 3: don't think that offense is necessarily inventive, creative and intended
Speaker 3: to generate those plays. It's much more ball control at times.
Speaker 3: I looked up his percentage of carries going for five
Speaker 3: plus yards was pretty low compared to the best of
Speaker 3: twenty twenty's best running backs. And I don't think it's
Speaker 3: necessarily his fault, but I think the way that that
Speaker 3: offense is designed, it's not especially built for consistent explosion
Speaker 3: from running back. And I also don't think he is
Speaker 3: not necessarily a Heisman contender both for that reason, and
Speaker 3: I don't think he is the type of all purpose player.
Speaker 3: Now if he puts up cartoonish numbers, you know, like
Speaker 3: somebody like who was it Andre Williams at Boston College
Speaker 3: who went for two k I went two thousand yards,
Speaker 3: that's a conversation. I'd like to see him in a
Speaker 3: more all purpose Naji Harry, Naji Harry, Naji Harris, Christian McCaffrey,
Speaker 3: those are the guys that seem to get those invites.
Speaker 3: Were like, Okay, this guy is a danger out of
Speaker 3: the backfield in the passing game, or in the return game,
Speaker 3: and so I think, well, and here's just he just
Speaker 3: happens to be very, very good.
Speaker 1: He's very good. He rushed for almost seven hundred more
Speaker 1: yards in twenty twenty over the previous season. We all
Speaker 1: know it was a goofy season in twenty twenty. We
Speaker 1: talked about that for the last month. But like, the
Speaker 1: other component of this is that Spencer Ratler is also
Speaker 1: in the Big Twelve, and there's a good chance that
Speaker 1: Spencer Ratler's team is going to beat Iowa State once,
Speaker 1: maybe twice, depending on how things go. That offense is
Speaker 1: set up for someone like Spencer Rattler. So you would
Speaker 1: need your team, I think, to outperform Oklahoma once, if
Speaker 1: not twice. And then also you'd need to do something
Speaker 1: statistically that's sort of cartoonish to make up for the
Speaker 1: fact that Spencer Ratler is going to put up crazy numbers. Right.
Speaker 3: I'd also say, because we mentioned the Iowa game and Bort,
Speaker 3: it's so funny it's saying that name is sport Bort.
Speaker 3: My son is also named Bort. If Breis Hall goes
Speaker 3: bonkers against Iowa in week I believe it's two, right,
Speaker 3: they have one two If he goes bonkers in a
Speaker 3: winning efforts. I think September statements are huge. Now it's
Speaker 3: not everything, but from a place that isn't necessarily going
Speaker 3: to get benefits of the doubt late in the year.
Speaker 3: In terms of talent, I think bonkers against the Hawks.
Speaker 3: I think it's a conversation we can have in earnest
Speaker 3: at that point. I will then yeah, wait and see.
Speaker 1: I will say this though, I do think he is
Speaker 1: the top running back at this early juncture in the preseason.
Speaker 1: He's a twelve or overall. Now he's the top running
Speaker 1: back candidate for the Heisman. Interesting, so I think he's
Speaker 1: I think he's definitely got a shot. I just think
Speaker 1: his path is going to be blocked by the fact
Speaker 1: that his team needs to beat Oklahoma again once, if
Speaker 1: not twice. And secondly, I think the Heisman front runner
Speaker 1: Spencer Rattler is also in the Big twelve.
Speaker 3: So b Jean Robinson has I think better odds right
Speaker 3: now at Texas at running back. Okay, that's what I'm
Speaker 3: seeing right now, per Vegas Insider. Right, Bjeon Robinson will
Speaker 3: be playing in that more inventive offense. We'll see who
Speaker 3: ends up winning that quarterback job, but b Jeon Robinson
Speaker 3: with the benefit of Sark, with the benefit of what
Speaker 3: we've seen from him in terms of explosivity. Now I
Speaker 3: think a lot that's Colorado and the Bowl game whatever.
Speaker 3: But sorry, Colorado, I look I like, I think his
Speaker 3: ceiling might be higher, but the proven guy is Breece Hall.
Speaker 3: Though the guy you can set your watch to is
Speaker 3: bris Hall.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think we've been we've been waiting for Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've been waiting for Texas to be back as long
Speaker 1: as we've been waiting for Texas to find a running
Speaker 1: back consistently. So now if you're asking me who am
Speaker 1: I picking who am I betting on, I would definitely
Speaker 1: pick Brice Hal over Bejon Robinson. Even if the ceiling
Speaker 1: is higher, it's just more of a proven commodity at
Speaker 1: this point. So anyway, let's move on. Let's go next question. Okay,
Speaker 1: you tell me where do you want to go. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about the Sabin question. We got it from Justin
Speaker 1: and he says, what is the ideal retirement scenario for Sabin?
Speaker 1: Does he win one more, go off into the sunset,
Speaker 1: get a cushy TV gig. He's pretty good on TV
Speaker 1: by the way, just good throwing this out there, better
Speaker 1: at coaching, better coaching? Or does he coach until he
Speaker 1: can't anymore because he can't imagine doing anything else. So
Speaker 1: a couple different ways that you can approach Justin's question.
Speaker 1: He says, what is the ideal retirement for Saban? That
Speaker 1: is a subjective question for Nick Saban, what is ideal
Speaker 1: for him? I find it hard to believe that Nick
Speaker 1: Saban's going to be satisfied doing anything other than coaching.
Speaker 1: I agree, he seems like he would be miserable around
Speaker 1: the house doing household chores, maybe just doing the TV
Speaker 1: thing that urban's been doing the last couple of years
Speaker 1: before he caught on with the Jags. So if from
Speaker 1: my layman's perspective, I think the ideal for him as
Speaker 1: a man would be to just coach until he can't anymore.
Speaker 1: It seems like he's a dude. I don't think there's
Speaker 1: any sort of elegant way to do things. I mean,
Speaker 1: we saw.
Speaker 3: We've seen guys at major places, bigging on Power five
Speaker 3: programs say okay, it's May, it's June. I think Bob
Speaker 3: Stoops retired when I was on my honeymoon had to
Speaker 3: be like TI get somebody. I don't think I have
Speaker 3: an Internet connection in Santorini. Yeah, there's no right way,
Speaker 3: there's no best way.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I don't see a Nick Saban situation because he's so
Speaker 3: competitive that he is going to retire after winning a
Speaker 3: national championship and put his successor, especially if it's somebody
Speaker 3: internally in a really bad recruiting position where all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, guys are asking out of their letters of
Speaker 3: intent and it's not great for them the way Bob
Speaker 3: Stoops did it, where he didn't do it until June,
Speaker 3: and so guys were sort of locked in with Spring
Speaker 3: practice and you know, much further along the road that
Speaker 3: in that process. But I think that's what we'll probably.
Speaker 1: End up seeing.
Speaker 3: And maybe Nick Saban's going to stay on in an
Speaker 3: advisory role, but no, I think Nick Saban will know
Speaker 3: when whenever it is that he doesn't feel the juice
Speaker 3: to recruits, to coach, to be at practice, to be
Speaker 3: the person that pays that close attention to every single detail,
Speaker 3: he just be like I'm out, or his health will
Speaker 3: dictate it, something will dictate that. He is just like, nope,
Speaker 3: I'm not giving everything I have, so it's not worth
Speaker 3: it and he'll just leave. Now, will it be a
Speaker 3: situation like Steve spurriy or middle of the season, I
Speaker 3: say no. I think he will be able to muster.
Speaker 3: If he's physically able to. He'll coach out whatever his
Speaker 3: final year is, unless there is something, you know, physically
Speaker 3: holding him back. But now I think it's going to
Speaker 3: be much closer to Bob Stoops, where he is just
Speaker 3: going to be in the doldrums of the offseason and
Speaker 3: just realizes he doesn't have the capacity to dig as
Speaker 3: deep as as he demands of himself and he'll be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's that offensive coordinators taking over whatever?
Speaker 1: Could Could it be an nil kind of thing? Because
Speaker 1: we just saw coach k from Duke decide that he's
Speaker 1: going to hang it up after this year. Reportedly, one
Speaker 1: of the reasons, or one of the accelerants, let's say,
Speaker 1: in that decision making was the NIL and the variables
Speaker 1: inflicting reports on that that he had been boths he
Speaker 1: had been supportive of publicly anyway supportive of the changes.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously basketball is a lot trickier with fewer
Speaker 1: roster spots and all the how transfers affect a basketball roster,
Speaker 1: maybe more so than football, because there's only so many
Speaker 1: guys you can lose before you really have to start panicking.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's a clear analog, but obviously
Speaker 1: these are two all time great coaches in their sports.
Speaker 1: But no, I just don't see Alabama being especially affected
Speaker 1: by things like that. They've they've been able to you know,
Speaker 1: they lose coaches every year and they restock no problem.
Speaker 1: They release transfer his top level transfer, they restock like
Speaker 1: Nick Saban just has been so ahead of the curb
Speaker 1: and able to roll with a pretty extreme and drastic
Speaker 1: changes throughout the year. So I don't think that's that
Speaker 1: as being something that affects him. No, And that's the
Speaker 1: thing I was thinking Joe paternal all right, Joe Paterno
Speaker 1: should have retired long before he was eventually forced out.
Speaker 1: I'm not going into all that, but just a from
Speaker 1: a football coaching standpoint, Joe Paterno got to a point
Speaker 1: where everything he was doing was stagnant. There was no creativity.
Speaker 1: You'd bring new guys in here and there, but it
Speaker 1: was ultimately the same thing that he ran for fifty years.
Speaker 1: Nick Saban doesn't do that, just disrespect to the spread.
Speaker 1: HD just disrespect Nick Saban doesn't do that. Nick Saban
Speaker 1: has turnover every year. He changed his entire system like
Speaker 1: eight times. This is a guy who's very adaptable, and
Speaker 1: so it will certainly not go that way for Saban.
Speaker 1: It's it's ultimately gonna be when he decides that he
Speaker 1: wants to hanging up. He will remain successful for as
Speaker 1: long as he's there. Yeah, he just he will signed
Speaker 1: the best recruiting class of all of all time. So
Speaker 1: it's not like he is taking his foot off the gas.
Speaker 1: There are no signs that he is at all slowing down,
Speaker 1: that he enjoys it any less. If anything, I think
Speaker 1: he would enjoy lifeless if he weren't, you know, doing
Speaker 1: this so.
Speaker 3: Well, most ruthlessly efficient scoring offense of all time. I
Speaker 3: believe this past fall with Mac Jones a first year
Speaker 3: full time starter. Yeah, okay, Hoover.
Speaker 1: Street signs of wear and tear Hoover Street rides in.
Speaker 1: He says, does Michigan have a reasonable head coaching plan B?
Speaker 1: If things don't turn around for Harball? Do they have
Speaker 1: a reasonable plan B? Right? This is the operative question
Speaker 1: if you are a Michigan fan, If you're Michigan brass.
Speaker 1: If not Harbaugh, then who Well. I was just going
Speaker 1: to paraphrase Stephen Godfrey, longtime friend. Every ad has a
Speaker 1: piece of paper in their desk of calls they will
Speaker 1: make of guys they have begun to vet or even
Speaker 1: think might be a good fit. Should a coach do
Speaker 1: something to get fired, should a coach leave for another job,
Speaker 1: should a coach just decide to retire for whatever reason
Speaker 1: out of the blue. Every ad has that, and there's
Speaker 1: no reason to think Ward Manual doesn't have that. And
Speaker 1: a good reason also is he nailed the basketball higher.
Speaker 1: Juwan Howard right, as far as I can tell, has
Speaker 1: been very well received and has had a lot of
Speaker 1: early success as the Michigan basketball coach. So he nailed
Speaker 1: the basketball hire.
Speaker 3: So there's no reason to think that he is not
Speaker 3: on top of things as it relates to the Football
Speaker 3: of the Future program if and when Jim Harbaugh is
Speaker 3: no longer the head coach there. So they do have
Speaker 3: a backup plan. I think they have a plan ABCDEFG
Speaker 3: and time will tell when that piece of paper will
Speaker 3: be taken out of Ward Manual's desk, but they do absolutely.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, though here's the one caveat to that,
Speaker 1: and I don't disagree. Of course, everybody, everybody at that
Speaker 1: level has to have that piece of paper in the desk.
Speaker 1: I am going to draw a very crude comparison here
Speaker 1: to the time that Notre Dame hired Charlie Weiss. Okay,
Speaker 1: if we could go back way yonder, thank you, Let's
Speaker 1: hop in the time machine for a second. Notre Dame
Speaker 1: brought Charlie Weiss on under the pretense that he was
Speaker 1: going to be the savior of the program. Charlie Weiss
Speaker 1: didn't like say anything to try and dispel that notion.
Speaker 1: He kind of steered into it and delivered on it early,
Speaker 1: delivered on it early, sort of led to his undoing
Speaker 1: in the end. We won't go into that whole rigamarole,
Speaker 1: but that was they brought him in under that pretense
Speaker 1: that he was going to be the savior of the program,
Speaker 1: as did Michigan with Jim Harbaugh. Jim Harbaugh has been
Speaker 1: fine for the program. He's certainly been better for Michigan
Speaker 1: football than Weiss was for Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: M HM.
Speaker 1: But there is no getting around the fact that if
Speaker 1: they move on beyond Harbaugh, it will be a letdown
Speaker 1: for Michigan fans, brass you name it, boosters will be
Speaker 1: it will be felt as a letdown. Well, it'll be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll be disappointing that Harbad didn't. It will be very disappointing,
Speaker 1: very disappointing. And I recall even when I knew that
Speaker 1: things are going sideways for Weiss at Notre Dame, even
Speaker 1: though I knew they had to move on, it still
Speaker 1: felt disappointing and like a big old l when they
Speaker 1: pulled the trigger and then they hired Brian Kelly, and
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly at the time was not the sexy higher.
Speaker 1: He had a bunch of great seasons with Cincinnati, he
Speaker 1: had been with Grand Valley State. I think it was
Speaker 1: widely assumed that he was just a guy who wanted
Speaker 1: the job the most. He was in the running for
Speaker 1: it the first time. They didn't go that directly. He
Speaker 1: wasn't Harba, but he was, I mean, just led Cincinnati
Speaker 1: to an undefeated season. He was a very good coach,
Speaker 1: but he was certainly not the sexy Dare I say,
Speaker 1: Charlie Weiss hire right right right, not connected to a
Speaker 1: name as you just Tom Brady or something exactly. So
Speaker 1: when they brought Brian Kelly in, I remember feeling a
Speaker 1: bit let down, like hmm okay, like he wanted the
Speaker 1: job the most and that was cool, but it's still
Speaker 1: like Brian Kelly, Okay, how do I feel about that?
Speaker 3: But that's sort of the antithesis, right, that's somebody with
Speaker 3: college coaching experience, somebody who has like who has come
Speaker 3: up through the ranks in a in a very collegey way,
Speaker 3: unlike you know, Charlie Weis, you know, with his experience
Speaker 3: in the pros for as long as it was there,
Speaker 3: as long as he was there, and it was just like, Okay,
Speaker 3: he wins everywhere he goes. He grows as a quarter,
Speaker 3: as a as a play caller, and a head coach
Speaker 3: and a recruiter, and he has ascended to because Cincinnati,
Speaker 3: you know, we're talking about a team that won a
Speaker 3: lot in the Big East around then he has ascended
Speaker 3: to the Notre Dame level instead of Okay, here's an
Speaker 3: experiment with somebody who was a big name and now
Speaker 3: with Michigan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you think, by the way, it's not it's
Speaker 1: not a direct comparison between one. But like in Horrorball
Speaker 1: and Brian Kelly and who might be next for Michigan.
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm just thinking of it from a
Speaker 1: fan's perspective. I was really disappointed when the Weisting blew up.
Speaker 1: I didn't really like Charlie Weist that much as person
Speaker 1: like he's kind of a jerk. He really was, But
Speaker 1: ultimately I was hopeful that he could come in with
Speaker 1: his expertise he had worked with Tom Brady. It's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is going to be such well recruited,
Speaker 1: really well at the skill positions, recruited well, it's didn't
Speaker 1: work out, did not work out. I feel for the
Speaker 1: Michigan faithful out there, who, if and when the Wolverines
Speaker 1: go in a different direction, feel disappointed by the fact that,
Speaker 1: damn it didn't work out with our guy Harbaugh. My
Speaker 1: only point in bringing all this up, this long winded diatribe,
Speaker 1: is just that have faith in that piece of paper,
Speaker 1: because you're right, they did get the Juwan Howard higher correct.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are a lot of coaches out there
Speaker 1: who really want the Michigan job. And just because it's
Speaker 1: not as big a name as a Jim Harbaugh, a
Speaker 1: Michigan man, so to speak, it doesn't mean that the
Speaker 1: next guy can't have success. I don't think there's a
Speaker 1: very obvious plan be There are definitely good coaches, younger
Speaker 1: coaches who might want to take a crack at this
Speaker 1: and could do a great job at Michigan. It's just
Speaker 1: none of them are going to come to sex appeal
Speaker 1: as Jim Harbaugh. They're just not well so in the footprint.
Speaker 3: Obviously, you have Luke Fickel, who turned down Michigan State,
Speaker 3: who has his own Ohio State connections, but it doesn't
Speaker 3: seem like Cincinnatio.
Speaker 1: Cincinnati guy.
Speaker 3: Another Cincinnati guy who's had tremendous success there. You know
Speaker 3: Jeff Halfley at Boston College. You have Tom Allen at Indiana,
Speaker 3: Mario Christaball at Oregon, all of you know, Michigan is
Speaker 3: a bigger national program than all of these places. If
Speaker 3: you want to look guys up and coming in the area,
Speaker 3: they're younger guys. Matt Campbell of course at Iowa State.
Speaker 3: We've already talked about clones. Even you know Sean Lewis
Speaker 3: at Kent State. You know, it's it's going to be
Speaker 3: about fit, it's going to be about the ability to
Speaker 3: navigate the behind the scenes scene at Michigan, which rich
Speaker 3: Rod I think early on was sort of undercut if
Speaker 3: you read a lot about what was going on. He
Speaker 3: lost a lot of players to transfer when when he
Speaker 3: was brought in and Lloyd Carr retired. And so it's
Speaker 3: going to be a fit thing more than anything. It's
Speaker 3: going to be a vision thing, and it's going to
Speaker 3: be who's empowered. And it's a problem that Texas has
Speaker 3: had where like, Okay, this booster behind the scenes doesn't
Speaker 3: like this coordinator hire this is who they're hiring at
Speaker 3: this coordinator or this assistant coach, Like, who's going to
Speaker 3: be empowered, who's going to be able to navigate all
Speaker 3: of those things, who's being able to recruit, and who's
Speaker 3: going to be able to say this is the job
Speaker 3: that I have been working towards and that I want
Speaker 3: specifically because it has opened up because it is one
Speaker 3: of the world's major college football jobs. So you know,
Speaker 3: there are all those names, and I don't you know,
Speaker 3: Tom Allen would be amazing at Michigan. Is he going
Speaker 3: to leave for a team in the conference? Hard to say.
Speaker 3: Generational wealth is a hell of a thing. Who knows,
Speaker 3: But he's getting paid in Indiana. So I think there
Speaker 3: are a number of names. Pat Fitzgerald another name that
Speaker 3: constantly comes up with these kinds of jobs. He just
Speaker 3: signed an extension. Hard to see him leaving Northwestern, a
Speaker 3: place that he has built into what it is. But
Speaker 3: you know, there are those names, are all those there
Speaker 3: are those conversations. Michigan remains a big place, but it
Speaker 3: has you know, the shadow has grown deeper and darker
Speaker 3: in that conference because of Ohio State success. So it's
Speaker 3: going to take a lot, but I don't think it's
Speaker 3: going to be I don't think Michigan is going to
Speaker 3: have to go to their fifth choice now at this job.
Speaker 1: By the way, I like that you throw out Halfley's
Speaker 1: name for every opening. Big the big Halfley guy. You're
Speaker 1: a big Halfey guy.
Speaker 3: He is well regarded. Boston College did pretty well this
Speaker 3: past year, and he was I mean, is he one
Speaker 3: of the better coordinated Big ten coordinators the past five years?
Speaker 3: An enormous amount of talent, But yeah, absolutely, I like
Speaker 3: I like that you're a fan. I'm telling you he's
Speaker 3: well regarded in these circles. That's all I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: And he was really good on the coach's film room.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the ultimate launchal experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think he was with the forty nine ers. So
Speaker 3: you have that crossover with Jim Harbough. That's important.
Speaker 1: I like him too, just not not as much as you,
Speaker 1: which is fine. It's okay. So you'll get there. You'll
Speaker 1: get there. I will probably get a question you pick.
Speaker 1: All right. This sort of goes hand in hand with
Speaker 1: this U. This is from the real weave. Don't know
Speaker 1: what that means.
Speaker 3: Okay, what are the top five? College football is better
Speaker 3: when team X is good? Conversely, which teams make college
Speaker 3: football better when they stink? This is the ultimate fantasy thing.
Speaker 3: It's a fantasy thing question, and it's completely subjective, and
Speaker 3: it is a thing that people will try it out
Speaker 3: in the off Seaton koshur Watch is better when Texas
Speaker 3: is good. Klchhaw is better when Alabama's College is better
Speaker 3: when Miami's good. The one that jumps out to me
Speaker 3: is USC. I just think for geographic balance. I like
Speaker 3: a strong SC holding with Oregon and sometimes Washington and
Speaker 3: Stanley Lake. But you have to have that USC base
Speaker 3: to have college football be a thing in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3: I think is a big deal for the sport and
Speaker 3: we've seen that sort of vacuum, even with other schools
Speaker 3: having success on the West Coast. It's really it's really
Speaker 3: nice for the sport when USC, particularly with the charismatic coach.
Speaker 3: I think it's only happened once recently, but I think
Speaker 3: that's important, So that would be an answer.
Speaker 1: A lot of people say Miami.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of it is environments, Like it's
Speaker 3: nice to have this environment rocking, It's nice to have
Speaker 3: a huge game at this school. It's nice to have
Speaker 3: a big game involving this school. Anytime, Miami is the
Speaker 3: answer here. And we've heard people say this one before, right,
Speaker 3: plenty of times. My football's better with Miami good. Again, Sure,
Speaker 3: it's not like Michigan, it's not like Texas. Anytime somebody
Speaker 3: answers Miami, they're talking about some of those legendary Miami
Speaker 3: teams that we saw, Sure at the turn of the
Speaker 3: century in the early aughts. I don't really care if
Speaker 3: Miami's good. See I do, and I'll tell you why.
Speaker 3: And it's a very similar reason to USC. It's geographic balance,
Speaker 3: but it's also because there's so much talent in South Florida.
Speaker 3: If Miami is really, really good, and really really good consistently.
Speaker 3: The assumption is is that they're recruiting and developing and
Speaker 3: evaluating the best of the best in their backyard and
Speaker 3: keeping them home. We've seen all of the players leave
Speaker 3: that area and have so much success elsewhere. So if
Speaker 3: you're talking about a Miami team that is keeping talent home,
Speaker 3: you're talking about a stacked college football experience, right, You're
Speaker 3: talking about a team that is laughably deep, especially at
Speaker 3: speedier positions. And so that to me is a big deal.
Speaker 3: And even though they play in an NFL stadium and
Speaker 3: it's a smaller private school and it doesn't have the
Speaker 3: fan base size, that sort of archetype of a really
Speaker 3: good Miami program is I mean, is there another program
Speaker 3: in the country that when they're good, you understand how
Speaker 3: they play and what their game is like. And you know,
Speaker 3: they even the one year recently where they had a
Speaker 3: spurt a streak of really good football games, they were
Speaker 3: really fun ty the turnover chain, turnover chain, right, you know,
Speaker 3: fun and cool and unique in that moment it was.
Speaker 3: And so that to me can't be replicated when another
Speaker 3: school is good. There is a certain and they've all
Speaker 3: tried to replicate the turnover chain. No, I know I'm saying,
Speaker 3: but they're influential in that way. Who cares.
Speaker 1: I I feel like every time I hear this answer,
Speaker 1: Miami football is better. It's just better when Miami is well,
Speaker 1: holl good.
Speaker 3: What do we have hypothetically, if Miami is an a
Speaker 3: A program, whatever, what do we have? Well, we have
Speaker 3: a second.
Speaker 1: Team in the ACC that it can be excellent. I guess,
Speaker 1: I guess I think I miss I miss it does,
Speaker 1: Sure it does. It absolutely makes college football better insofar
Speaker 1: as there's a counterbalance, perhaps too Clemson. Yeah, I miss
Speaker 1: Florida State a lot more than I missed Miami. Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean they can both be the answer. They both
Speaker 1: be the answer. This isn't to say, by the way
Speaker 1: that I'm rooting against Miami, that I have any kind
Speaker 1: of issue with Miami. But I just I think it's
Speaker 1: a bad answer because I feel like, more often than not,
Speaker 1: when people say it, they miss Miami when they were
Speaker 1: awesome back in the day. Sure we all do, they
Speaker 1: were they were awesome back in the day. I just
Speaker 1: don't think that's the best answer here. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I could tell you year.
Speaker 3: In and year out, I'm not talking about national championship contender Miami.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about year in and year out, ten and
Speaker 3: two Miami with killer receivers and running backs and safeties
Speaker 3: and corners and an edge rusher that just year in
Speaker 3: and year out. Though these are like first second round talents,
Speaker 3: and year in, year out, they scare the bejesus out
Speaker 3: of Dabo Sweeney. Year in ch I'm okay, we get
Speaker 3: shots of Dabbo on the sideline looking frustrated, angry, and
Speaker 3: overwhelmed by a loud Miami crowd with players on the
Speaker 3: other sidelines howling with laughter overbeating Clemson. You're telling me
Speaker 3: college football is not obviously more fun in that situation.
Speaker 1: We could It's a counterpoint, counterpoint to Mount Point. If
Speaker 1: we could get that version of Miami, just that super
Speaker 1: chippy yeah version of Miami that we saw back in
Speaker 1: the day, that would serve as the counterbalance to Clemson,
Speaker 1: that would really get in Dabo's kraw. You have really
Speaker 1: in Dallas craw Dobo. Yeah, Dabbo would hate it. I
Speaker 1: just don't absolutely hate it. I just don't think we're there. No,
Speaker 1: we're not there.
Speaker 3: But I'm just telling you, if this is a hypothetical
Speaker 3: question about the teams that would make college football more fun.
Speaker 1: It would be more fun with that version. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: weirdest answer I've ever heard this question is Michigan State. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't think about Michigan State when thinking about this answer.
Speaker 1: That's the weirdest one that I've heard. But otherwise, you
Speaker 1: could you could play anybody. Well, it's totally subjective, right,
Speaker 1: It's it's who makes who did you grow up with
Speaker 1: as good teams, And if you're fifty six, it might
Speaker 1: not necessarily be the same answers if you're thirty six.
Speaker 1: But to me, I want geographic balance. I want the
Speaker 1: bigger rivalries of the sport to mean something. So I'd
Speaker 1: love to look forward.
Speaker 3: To and legitimately not know who's going to win the
Speaker 3: Michigan Ohio State game or the Texas Oklahoma game, which
Speaker 3: I guess it's been the case that's gone back and
Speaker 3: forth some but the bigger rivalries in the sport, I want,
Speaker 3: you know, Florida Miami, Florida State, Miami Florida, Florida State.
Speaker 3: I want those matches up to be toss ups. Other
Speaker 3: than that, you know, I just like good fun football
Speaker 3: and we can watch every game. So a season isn't
Speaker 3: necessarily more fun because this one school is good. But
Speaker 3: if we have a bunch of interesting rivalries and we
Speaker 3: know about the storylines and narratives and players coming up
Speaker 3: at random places, that's good bye me too.
Speaker 1: The interesting thing and that we're going to move on
Speaker 1: is that when you ask people this question, if you
Speaker 1: ask an Ohio State fan this question, if you ask
Speaker 1: a Michigan fan this question, inevitably they will always say
Speaker 1: their biggest rival. Sure, even despite the fact they hate them.
Speaker 1: They will always say it's better when it's no fun.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is fun, but I was gonna say
Speaker 1: it's no fun to stomp a team year and year
Speaker 1: out for me. Look on the outside, it is fun
Speaker 1: for a while. It is fun as a novelty, right, undeniably,
Speaker 1: and we've done it. You get the answer all the time.
Speaker 1: I'll just speak as an Oregon fan. Oregon has rivals
Speaker 1: with you know, rivalries of Oregon State with what with USC.
Speaker 1: There is something nice about butterflies before kickoff, Like it's weird.
Speaker 1: If you get to a place where you're an Ohio
Speaker 1: State fan, you's like, well, there's gonna blow out Michigan like,
Speaker 1: it's more fun when there is that energy in your
Speaker 1: living room, in the stadium, whatever. And I think USC
Speaker 1: Miami or my answers with that, I just I don't
Speaker 1: care if Miami is good. Jr. Seven oh seven one
Speaker 1: of our verballers. Yeah, this is a dang question here.
Speaker 1: I don't really have any thoughts on this. The new
Speaker 1: PAC twelve guy, George what's his name.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna look it up right now, is like Clavi
Speaker 3: cough or something, Clavigal, George clavi twelve. Yeah, George Clavical, Uh,
Speaker 3: Clai of Cli of cough Cloud. Let's go Claviical, we
Speaker 3: can go Claviical.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are your thoughts on George Clavial, new PAC
Speaker 1: twelve commissioner for those playing along at home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, has has a background in I mean it was MGM,
Speaker 3: it was Hulu all sorts of streaming and you know,
Speaker 3: involved with sports rights and commonversations and contracts and from
Speaker 3: more of the broadcast angle. I think he was in
Speaker 3: Las Vegas with all of this stuff with MGM Entertainment,
Speaker 3: so you know, boxing and stadiums and all that kind
Speaker 3: of stuff. So there is that tangential connection to sports.
Speaker 3: I mean the priorities are clear. The priorities are clear
Speaker 3: in that it's get everybody on the same page, get
Speaker 3: everybody aligned. In terms of vision for the conference. Competitively,
Speaker 3: he talked about, you know, succeeding with football and men's basketball,
Speaker 3: just because it's obvious that those two sports drive the
Speaker 3: conference's bottom line is incredibly important. There's only so much
Speaker 3: that a commissioner of the Pac twelve can do in
Speaker 3: terms of making good hires at important schools for basketball
Speaker 3: and football. But I think his background with streaming and
Speaker 3: broadcast stuff and stadiums and helping to get the Pac
Speaker 3: twelve on the biggest possible stages.
Speaker 1: I mean, the.
Speaker 3: Conference needs to win huge September games. There's nothing much
Speaker 3: he can do to do that. You know, Oregon needs
Speaker 3: to beat and Washington, I think is playing Michigan this year.
Speaker 3: Oregon's playing Ohio State. And I don't think USC has
Speaker 3: any sort of big marquee September matchups coming up. They
Speaker 3: have Notre Dame every year, UCLA has LSU. So there's
Speaker 3: nothing that George Clavicle can do at the moment to
Speaker 3: drive wins and thus attention for the conference heading into
Speaker 3: the rest of the year. But broadcast rights, getting the
Speaker 3: conference on the biggest possible TV stages. So that's ESPN, Fox, CBS, NBC,
Speaker 3: whoever has these rights, and you know, getting the conference
Speaker 3: if it's a streaming package or a part streaming package. Right,
Speaker 3: the NFL is going Thursday night Amazon full time in
Speaker 3: a couple of years, I believe. So it's getting the
Speaker 3: conference to a point where anybody who wants to see
Speaker 3: a PAC twelve game doesn't just happen to have the
Speaker 3: right cable package. That is that is going to be huge,
Speaker 3: and the biggest games need to be played at times
Speaker 3: where you know, I know people will watch those late
Speaker 3: games because sometimes they're the only show on you know,
Speaker 3: those ten o'clock eastern kicks. But if you have a
Speaker 3: number eleven ranked UCLA playing a number nine ranked USC
Speaker 3: at the end of the year, probably shouldn't kick off
Speaker 3: at ten eastern, right, Like, there should be some I
Speaker 3: think advanced strategy conversations about how to get the most
Speaker 3: eyeballs at the best times on these teams, because it's
Speaker 3: a you know, college football is a complete attention economy
Speaker 3: and whatever your perception of a team is, what the
Speaker 3: team is. If you're not watching, you don't have a perception.
Speaker 3: So the perception right now with the PAC twelve is
Speaker 3: that they are behind and within his powers and within
Speaker 3: the Office's powers, they need to financially get to a
Speaker 3: nice place, because the better the conference does financially, it's
Speaker 3: you know, it's tied to how well the teams do financially,
Speaker 3: and the better the teams do financially, the more money
Speaker 3: they have to pay head coaches, upgrade facilities, pay assistant coaches,
Speaker 3: and compete on some level with the SEC and the
Speaker 3: Big Ten, the two conferences that are far and above
Speaker 3: everybody else.
Speaker 1: The example that I use a lot is when Carson
Speaker 1: Palmer won the Heisman Trophy and Carson Palmer had a
Speaker 1: great year. Mm hmm. Clearly he was Heisman worthy. Was
Speaker 1: that three o two somewhere in there. Yeah, he didn't
Speaker 1: really win the Heisman until he dismantled Notre Dame right
Speaker 1: on national television at night. Everybody saw it. After that,
Speaker 1: there was no question who was going to win the
Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy. That that attention, as you said, the attention
Speaker 1: economy of college football is big deal, and it's easy
Speaker 1: for us on the East Coast to overlook that. And
Speaker 1: I think for yourself. I'm on the third coast here,
Speaker 1: you're on the third coast again. Yeah, I also think
Speaker 1: it's it's easy for folks on the West coast to
Speaker 1: you know, maybe not have that perspective, feel a bit
Speaker 1: slighted by it. But the Eastern time zone drives a lot,
Speaker 1: especially in terms of you know, perception. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: hope he's able to turn it around. I don't know
Speaker 1: much about George Clavicle, but seems.
Speaker 3: Like a good guy. I thought his press conference, which
Speaker 3: ultimately means nothing, was pretty good. I thought he did
Speaker 3: a pretty good job. It was pretty direct and transparent.
Speaker 3: I mean, here's the other thing. Who has opinions about
Speaker 3: the following coaches west or east of Salt Lake City
Speaker 3: Clay Helton, Jonathan Smith, Nick Rolovich, Justin Wilcox, David Shaw, Jedfish,
Speaker 3: like Carl Durrell, like a lot of I mean, the
Speaker 3: consistent part of the sport is the profile of your
Speaker 3: conference's coaches, and right now, there's not a lot moving
Speaker 3: the needle on the West Coast in terms of coaches.
Speaker 3: And that can change with consistent winning, and that can
Speaker 3: change with creative marketing or whatever it takes. But this
Speaker 3: is where the conference is right now in terms of
Speaker 3: name recognition, face recognition, personality recognition. There's not a ton
Speaker 3: for the PAC twelve to hang its hat on right now.
Speaker 3: How much two people in Nashville or Miami or Columbus
Speaker 3: know about Jimmy Lake nothing.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It doesn't seem like a lot. This
Speaker 1: is a fun question that we got from John, which
Speaker 1: two teams could swap conferences and completely fit in with
Speaker 1: their new conference. I have answers for this. Do you
Speaker 1: have answers for this? I do have answers for this.
Speaker 1: We I think we need to set some ground rules here.
Speaker 1: It can't be like a Florida Florida State situation.
Speaker 3: Meaning meaning if you to geographically close and similar in
Speaker 3: some ways that it makes sense if you.
Speaker 1: Put Florida in the SE or ASA excuse me, in
Speaker 1: Florida State and the SEC is basically the same team.
Speaker 1: So you can't exactly the same thing. You can't do that.
Speaker 1: You can't consulting to both programs. I don't care. Okay,
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't pick one that that that's that I.
Speaker 3: Was I was going to say Clemson, South Carolina because
Speaker 3: South Carolina will be perfect. It needs the competition South
Speaker 3: Carolina could use. You know, you already have Carolina teams
Speaker 3: in the ACC North Carolina, South Carolina.
Speaker 1: So I feel like those are way too obvious. So
Speaker 1: I started thinking about this a little bit more broadly,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking for teams that kind of fit into
Speaker 1: that hybrid role where school in one conference but definitely
Speaker 1: culturally speaking, could fit into another. And it landed on
Speaker 1: West Virginia. Ooh interesting, Yeah, on an island in the
Speaker 1: Big Twelve, on an island in the Big Twelve. Was
Speaker 1: in the Old School Big East, right, So there's a
Speaker 1: bit of a cultural fit there, certainly more geographically fit
Speaker 1: for like the ACC, let's say, culturally could fit in
Speaker 1: with the SEC pretty well too. Sure. So West Virginia
Speaker 1: to me feels like the ultimate wild card that we
Speaker 1: could swap with somebody else. And you're talking about an
Speaker 1: ACC school then geographically SEC school geographically, I think I
Speaker 1: think you could swap West Virginia with a Clemson. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think you could swap West Virginia with uh, what
Speaker 1: about West Virginia and Louisville a school like a Louisville Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the Big Twelve. Yeah, I think you could
Speaker 1: swap West Virginia with a school like Zuri obviously, so MISSOO.
Speaker 3: Now, I think we can't do return two conferences if
Speaker 3: I were to do that, if I were to do
Speaker 3: a return to a conference that we already know that
Speaker 3: there's some level of fit. I think Nebraska, Iowa State, Okay,
Speaker 3: I already has the Big ten footprint, right, Nebraska returns
Speaker 3: to the Big twelve, and I think one of the
Speaker 3: final times those two teams played is two Big twelve teams.
Speaker 3: It was a nine to seven game two thousand and
Speaker 3: eight or two thousand and nine actually brought it up, Ty,
Speaker 3: can we do an off season Divorceak? We could that
Speaker 3: you have a seven game?
Speaker 1: Do you have it.
Speaker 2: Fumble, field goal, punt, punt, touchdown, punt interception, passing, touchdown, punt, punt, fumble, punt, punt, punt, fumble, fumble,
Speaker 2: misfield goal, punt, punt, interception, punt interception, and mercifully end
Speaker 2: of the nine seven years.
Speaker 1: How did you pull up divorceak that quickly?
Speaker 3: I have two hands, tie, oh, two hands, So that
Speaker 3: would be my answer. Nebraska, I will state there. What
Speaker 3: about Cincinnati, Syracuse? I mean sure, so Syracuse to the
Speaker 3: American sure, it's definitely easier if you start doing this
Speaker 3: on the group of five level. Well, yes and no,
Speaker 3: because you still need to find a Power five team
Speaker 3: who would fit in with a group of five conference,
Speaker 3: which is not always the easiest and nicest thing to do.
Speaker 3: But Syracuse is God. I look this up and I'm
Speaker 3: trying to remember. I think they have not had two
Speaker 3: winning seasons in a row in twenty years, So that's
Speaker 3: where're like, Okay, maybe they're not a Power five ish program.
Speaker 3: They didn't have last time they won three had three
Speaker 3: winning seasons in a row was with Donovan McNabb in
Speaker 3: the mid to late nineties. So it's not a program
Speaker 3: that has always come through in terms of investing in
Speaker 3: high and developing and recruiting.
Speaker 1: And winning on the field.
Speaker 3: So maybe they're not a perennial fit with a Power
Speaker 3: five conference. Whereas Cincinnati has done it as a Big
Speaker 3: East team, they're doing it as a group of five team.
Speaker 3: And I mean, I think Cincinnati would be a divisional
Speaker 3: favorite in the current ACC if they're not in the Atlantic,
Speaker 3: right probably.
Speaker 1: I just think West Virginia is the key. I think
Speaker 1: you could you go a bunch of different ways on
Speaker 1: a West Virginia.
Speaker 3: What about Notre Dame Maryland? Yeah, Notre Dame in the
Speaker 3: Big ten, Maryland back in the acc' if that's a
Speaker 3: return exercise. Yeah, No, I don't like Maryland in the
Speaker 3: Big ten. No, it feels weird still. I Maryland has
Speaker 3: been in the Big ten for years upon years.
Speaker 1: It feels weird. And I still think to myself, when's
Speaker 1: Maryland playing Virginia.
Speaker 3: When's Maryland playing NC State? Like it just it doesn't
Speaker 3: fit for me, tie, No, it just doesn't.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: So, if we're counting Notre Dame as an CC school,
Speaker 3: which we kind of can.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to let's go to here you go.
Speaker 1: Speaking of specific teams, can Arizona State realistically win the
Speaker 1: PAC twelve this year? Yes? From Devin so, a lot
Speaker 1: of experience coming back. They've got a good defense. Eight
Speaker 1: starters are returning.
Speaker 3: Both of their corners are legit. I mean they're probably
Speaker 3: like fourth or fifth round guys, but their NFL types
Speaker 3: they're good.
Speaker 1: I like Chase Lucas. Yeah, that's good. They do not
Speaker 1: play Oregon in conference play, which is a bonus. So
Speaker 1: I think there is plenty of reason to be excited
Speaker 1: about ASU. I happen to see that the over under
Speaker 1: four win total is nine, which is a okay sizable number.
Speaker 1: I think nine would imply that, yeah, they're a contender
Speaker 1: of some sort. Nine wins is a good season. YEP.
Speaker 1: So at least from that standpoint, Vegas would sort of agree. Realistically,
Speaker 1: could they Yeah, realistically sure.
Speaker 3: They are a sort of little thing program where some
Speaker 3: of the games that they've lost under Herm Edwards is like, man,
Speaker 3: they're just not doing the little things to win winnable games.
Speaker 3: Like last year against UCLA, I think they fumbled twice
Speaker 3: in the red zone and they had two red zone
Speaker 3: turnovers and lost that game. Like fumbled snaps, like very
Speaker 3: fixable things. And I know last year was very strange.
Speaker 3: But that's the issue to me because I like Jayden
Speaker 3: and Daniels. I don't know if I love but I
Speaker 3: really like Jayden Daniels. I like the running backs. They've
Speaker 3: recruited at receiver pretty well. They've got some big bodies there.
Speaker 3: They're in a really nice spot because there's no obvious
Speaker 3: between who is it Chaz Brewer starting for Utah quarterback
Speaker 3: this year? I think that's who starting a quarterback for Utah,
Speaker 3: So that worries me the inconsistencies of USC looking as
Speaker 3: bad as they looked early on last year against the
Speaker 3: Arizona schools. I think UCLA, and we have another question
Speaker 3: here about Chip Kelly in a hot seat, but I
Speaker 3: think UCLA is quietly pretty scary in the South. I
Speaker 3: am high on Newcla right now. I don't know how high,
Speaker 3: but I am high on them. But that is to say,
Speaker 3: everybody kind of seems like at their best outside of
Speaker 3: right now Colorado and Arizona, but the other four schools
Speaker 3: in the division, ASU and the LA schools and Utah
Speaker 3: there b plus a minus at their best. There's nobody
Speaker 3: who's obviously head and shoulders above, even though USC has
Speaker 3: received the lion's share of the hype right now in
Speaker 3: the South. So yeah, absolutely they could win the conference
Speaker 3: because I don't think there's anybody in the North right now.
Speaker 3: Oregon is in a really good place, but they don't
Speaker 3: necessarily have the obvious answer at quarterback, So it seems
Speaker 3: to a really nice place. If they start checking the
Speaker 3: little thing boxes throughout the season.
Speaker 1: It seems totally feasible to me. Yeah, certainly in the South.
Speaker 1: Certainly in the South. It helps everybody has that achilles heel.
Speaker 1: Everybody's got that Achilles heel. And it does help that
Speaker 1: they do not play Oregon in conference play, that they
Speaker 1: got a bunch of guys back on defense. It's always
Speaker 1: a great building block. Got a good quarterback. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, and I think it Limb from lim Win.
Speaker 1: You always like that Arizona last year against the rival
Speaker 1: Limb from lim seventy to seven or whatever it happened
Speaker 1: to be. It was somewhere in there, staying out west frotastic.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the Chip Kelly question. How hot is Chip
Speaker 1: Kelly's seat at UCLA? So you noted here thank you
Speaker 1: for doing this brutal back half of the schedule at Washington, Oregon,
Speaker 1: at Utah, They've got Colorado, closed out the year at
Speaker 1: USC and then home against cow So it's not an
Speaker 1: easy stretch. Was it two years ago you thought Chip
Speaker 1: Kelly was done? You thought he was going to be
Speaker 1: like one year and done, you thought, and his heart
Speaker 1: was not that. It feels like despite the fact that
Speaker 1: you know schedules have been tough, it feels like they've
Speaker 1: gotten better or there have been more reasons to be
Speaker 1: optimistic about UCLA football. Sure, Yeah, they nearly beat They
Speaker 1: gave away the SC game. They nearly beat Oregon with
Speaker 1: their backup quarterback. They beat ASU. There are pieces absolutely
Speaker 1: there for UCLA. I'm dtr has been there forever at quarterback.
Speaker 1: Their line has gotten better. They have a couple of
Speaker 1: legit dudes up front. On defense, their secondary has come along.
Speaker 1: To me, the big weakness with UCLA is sort of
Speaker 1: the same thing that we've talked about with a couple
Speaker 1: of other schools, like, for example, Iowa State. Who's in
Speaker 1: a much better position than UCLA. But who is pushing you?
Speaker 1: Who is pushing on the UCLA roster? Defense? Is in
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve down the field? Who is that gravitational
Speaker 1: guy for UCLA? On offense, they have decent players. They
Speaker 1: have good players. I like their their tight end. I
Speaker 1: think it's Greg Dulcech something like that. I always trust
Speaker 1: a good Greg. But who is who is that lethal weapon?
Speaker 1: I don't see that with UCLA, And that's that's the
Speaker 1: concern for me. If we're talking about, Okay, has UCLA
Speaker 1: arrived as UCLA that team ready to win the South?
Speaker 3: The answer is maybe, But USC has better receivers. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Utah had the better defense, and his better depth and
Speaker 3: is recruited to a system for far longer. USC is
Speaker 3: a higher level talent. ASU is higher level talent probably,
Speaker 3: but UCLA has the most proven high level coach.
Speaker 1: Of all of those places. And it's really interesting too
Speaker 1: that that would be the problem for Chip Kelly, right
Speaker 1: if you love Zach Sharboney, Yeah, but not not having
Speaker 1: the gravitational player, not having that downfield, not having just
Speaker 1: that guy. Now, he made those guys at Oregon. M hm,
Speaker 1: that was why we liked NFL types. Now they weren't
Speaker 1: NFL types, But it.
Speaker 3: Was Brailan Addison, it was Josh Hoff, it was Jeff Mail,
Speaker 3: these guys like who were just awesome in college and
Speaker 3: it doesn't seem like UCLA has even those level guys.
Speaker 1: But figured out a way to put those guys in
Speaker 1: space and make exciting plays. Yeah, I mean they had
Speaker 1: d Anthony Thomas and Michael James. Those were Heisman caliber
Speaker 1: all purpose and running back weapons that look, it's very
Speaker 1: tough because it was a very specific program he ran
Speaker 1: at Oregon and he was sort of ahead of the
Speaker 1: curve offensively, and now a lot of places have caught up,
Speaker 1: but those players are available at UCLA. It's a matter
Speaker 1: of Chip Kelly finding convincing developing, crafting a system around them.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be in a good place this year.
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be a B plus team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't think his seat is all that hot,
Speaker 1: nor do I think I don't think so either. To
Speaker 1: the point of the question, I think it's I think
Speaker 1: it's neuche ti. I don't think it's a cold seat.
Speaker 3: I think UCLA fans and administrators want to be and
Speaker 3: I don't believe this was the ad Martin Jarmond was
Speaker 3: not the guy who hired chip Kelly. But if they
Speaker 3: want UCLA to be nine in three ish pretty often,
Speaker 3: but nothing wild, but they want him to be good.
Speaker 3: They want him to beat USC every so often. I
Speaker 3: don't think there are crazy expectations right now. But when
Speaker 3: you pay chip Kelly what they're paying him, and when
Speaker 3: he brings the profile that he brings, there is that
Speaker 3: expectation that they're not, you know, embarrassing themselves. And it's
Speaker 3: clear that they've improved over the course of his time there,
Speaker 3: just in a probably frustrating way. There've been you know,
Speaker 3: game they've been the COVID stuff, there's been the games
Speaker 3: where they you know, I think they started the season
Speaker 3: out a couple of years ago and Cincinnati down like
Speaker 3: twenty five players, like they just they need to build
Speaker 3: that roster of eighty five capable, pretty good college football players.
Speaker 3: And hopefully it's now there, but it certainly wasn't those
Speaker 3: first couple of years.
Speaker 1: Let's go one more football and then two off topic
Speaker 1: to close, So sure, where are we going? You get
Speaker 1: to pick?
Speaker 3: Okay, if if Clem's in Ohio State were to lose
Speaker 3: any game in conference play, who would it be against?
Speaker 1: Just live happy? Wants to know, Just live happy, Just
Speaker 1: live happy. It it's a far easier question on the
Speaker 1: Ohio State side than it is on the times In side,
Speaker 1: just because the Big Ten has more killers. The Big
Speaker 1: Ten East is tough.
Speaker 3: Are there any sandwich situations for Ohio State or I
Speaker 3: mean getting a bye before playing Ohio State at home?
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Ohio State schedule, so I don't know
Speaker 1: about the others, but from their standpoint, I see no
Speaker 1: sandwiches here. From their standpoint, at least on the conference side,
Speaker 1: it's smooth sailing unless you're counting the Minnesota game in
Speaker 1: Week one, which we could have a conversation. Minnesota's got
Speaker 1: a season. Quarterback defense is probably gonna be an issue
Speaker 1: this year to Minneapolis, but there's enough talent there. It's
Speaker 1: opening week, it's a night game on Fox. Maybe you
Speaker 1: catch maybe you catch him. It's either at Minnesota week one.
Speaker 1: It's certainly not anybody else until you get to like
Speaker 1: late October. Yeah, early to.
Speaker 3: Late after Minnesota has developed some nice receivers lightly now,
Speaker 3: So Minnesota is a conversation at Indiana and it's a
Speaker 3: look ahead spot. Okay, head spot at Indiana could have
Speaker 3: that conference station. Also look at a head spot with
Speaker 3: Penn State on deck. Yeah, but Indiana scared them enough
Speaker 3: last year. And Ohio State has a buye before the
Speaker 3: Hoo Hoo Hoosiers. So that doesn't really move me.
Speaker 1: At Michigan to close out the year, I No, I
Speaker 1: don't think Michigan State's a bodyblow team right now. The
Speaker 1: week before now, I'd say in order, it's at Minnesota
Speaker 1: to open the air, and then at Indiana Penn State
Speaker 1: i'llween weekend. No, Penn State doesn't do them for me.
Speaker 3: In Columbus, either Sean Clifford or a new quarterback not
Speaker 3: as much.
Speaker 1: You could squint though, and you could make a case
Speaker 1: for Penn State. Yeah, I mean you could ugg lead
Speaker 1: up games with Ohio State, but not this version of one.
Speaker 1: You could. You could squint and come up with Michigan.
Speaker 1: I don't know who you're gonna squint and find. On
Speaker 1: the Clemson side, what's there?
Speaker 3: Do they have sandwiches? Do you have their schedule in
Speaker 3: front of you? I'm pulling there them up right now.
Speaker 3: Not really, so we're coming up with squint teams. Not
Speaker 3: really at pit the week before Florida State, but otherwise
Speaker 3: there's no sandwich there.
Speaker 1: Look at the schedule. No, the toughest game on this
Speaker 1: schedule is Week one.
Speaker 3: I mean NC State took a week a step forward
Speaker 3: last year from a crazy down twenty nineteen, and it's
Speaker 3: on the road. It's not really let down look ahead,
Speaker 3: but it is on the road.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm just the toughest game on this
Speaker 1: schedule is Week one against Georgia. That is not an
Speaker 1: answer to who in conference could be Clemson.
Speaker 3: The best quarterbacks on Clemson schedule, I mean the best
Speaker 3: one is JD.
Speaker 1: Daniels. But on the on the acc side of things,
Speaker 1: it's what Mackenzie Milton, it's Michale Cunningham, It's Yeh Malak.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's it. Those are the two guys.
Speaker 3: That's unless you're like a Kenny pick a guy. No
Speaker 3: South Carolina starting a new guy.
Speaker 1: My answer is pit My answer is pit God and
Speaker 1: they just slaughtered pit early killed him. My answer, I
Speaker 1: don't know who else to answer with.
Speaker 3: Well, somebody asked a question about what Florida State's ceiling is.
Speaker 3: If Mackenzie Milton is the absolute like explosion that he
Speaker 3: could could have been at UCF that he has been
Speaker 3: at UCF, what Florida State's ceiling is? But man, Florida
Speaker 3: Stake got pushed around way too much. On defense, they did.
Speaker 3: They hit the portal hard. There are pieces on offense.
Speaker 3: Mackenzie Milton is an upgrade over any quarterback they've played recently.
Speaker 3: When he is McKenzie Milton, he is McKenzie Milton physically.
Speaker 3: They lost key pieces on that defense last year that
Speaker 3: wasn't even that good. But no, they're another team that
Speaker 3: doesn't have the are No, they're no scaries on the
Speaker 3: outside for Florida State right now. They ran the ball
Speaker 3: pretty well, but you need you need to push Clemson
Speaker 3: around in the passing game to really really stand a chance.
Speaker 3: That's when Clemson is lost, when when somebody's able to
Speaker 3: match or exceed their speed and it just doesn't seem
Speaker 3: like that's Florida State. So I'm removing them from the
Speaker 3: conversation right now. But yeah, it's yeah, it has to
Speaker 3: be situational. It has to be you know, DJU is
Speaker 3: so down after getting confused and drilled by Georgia early
Speaker 3: and maybe NC State later in the month. Is you
Speaker 3: know able to be that team to finally take them
Speaker 3: down in the ACC But otherwise I don't know.
Speaker 1: We have four off topic questions here that we can
Speaker 1: rifle through very quickly. Are you're getting Let's get through
Speaker 1: all of them. Okay, these the first two are for you. Okay,
Speaker 1: what kind of pans of stones are you using for
Speaker 1: the conventional pizza oven?
Speaker 3: Go from my conventional kitchen oven. I use a baking steal.
Speaker 3: I think it's nerd Chef is the brand, But any
Speaker 3: of the steels will do because they retain I mean
Speaker 3: it's thermal mass tie. You can go on and on
Speaker 3: about this, but they retain and conduct heat better than
Speaker 3: the ceramic stones. What do you want to know? He said,
Speaker 3: steeler stone? Is that what he asked?
Speaker 1: He said, what kind of pans or stone? Oh in
Speaker 1: the pants?
Speaker 3: I use a Lloyd pan for the Detroit style pan pies.
Speaker 3: Lloyd Llow or excuse me, yd available on the should
Speaker 3: be on Amazon.
Speaker 1: They're really good. They're anandized aluminum. Rank your top five
Speaker 1: pizzas to make in which college football team is most
Speaker 1: like said pizza.
Speaker 3: I don't have a comparison. Just give me clacific teams.
Speaker 3: But I can tell you that if you want me
Speaker 3: to make analogs and analogies between the pizza making process and
Speaker 3: building a program, I most certainly can tie sourcing ingredients,
Speaker 3: paying attention to the process, not getting down on yourself early.
Speaker 3: A lot of comparisons there. I really I don't go
Speaker 3: too complicated with my pizzas and pizza toppings. I'm very
Speaker 3: focused on getting my dough right in terms of how
Speaker 3: wet the dough is, in terms of how how long
Speaker 3: I let it sit in the fridge. That's where my
Speaker 3: obsession lies. So my favorite pizza is probably I make
Speaker 3: one with pepperoni shaved garlic. I have a garlic mandolin
Speaker 3: tie and a spicy honey drizzle. That to me is
Speaker 3: a really nice combination of salty and spicy and sweetness
Speaker 3: from the garlic and the honey. That works really well
Speaker 3: with pizza. So yeah, pepperoni, garlic, hot honey, sassy molassie
Speaker 3: sweet sassy molasses, spicy sweet salty works really well. You know,
Speaker 3: get the fat from the cheese and the acid from
Speaker 3: the tomato sauce.
Speaker 1: It's wonderful. Bort. If you have bed sheets made out
Speaker 1: of cold cuts, what will the cold cuts be? I
Speaker 1: go turkey. I always go turkey.
Speaker 3: I think it's a terrible answer. Tie, of course, what
Speaker 3: do you want out of your bed sheet? Ultimately I
Speaker 3: want to say you can only select one cold cut.
Speaker 1: I want to stay warm.
Speaker 3: You want to stay warm, you want to be comfortable,
Speaker 3: but you also maybe want a little bit of breathe ability,
Speaker 3: seasonal comfort.
Speaker 1: Right, So, and you're talking just sheet.
Speaker 3: He didn't mention comforter Now bit a sheet get in
Speaker 3: because that's the similar texture. Lady Gaga wore like a
Speaker 3: roast beef thing once, didn't she?
Speaker 1: She did, so roast beef is not a bad answer.
Speaker 1: Roast beef is pretty smooth. You've seen that used in
Speaker 1: a practical application. That's the only reason I bring it up.
Speaker 3: I don't feel like roast beef breathes no. Well, no,
Speaker 3: because it is a fattier cold cut turkey is not
Speaker 3: a bad answer. I just if we're talking cold cuts,
Speaker 3: you're either there's a there's a grittiness to turkey, to
Speaker 3: roast turkey, which I love on a sandwich, and then
Speaker 3: smoke turkey's smoother, but it also strikes me as a
Speaker 3: little bit more oily.
Speaker 1: It's but it's not that oily. If you get like
Speaker 1: just regular sliced turkey, it's not that oily, okay, as
Speaker 1: compared to something like a salami sama, and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of fat, you're gonna get greasier, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 3: Sheets, Yeah, for sure. No, that's a much higher fact content.
Speaker 3: My answer is probably pershudo. I think there is a
Speaker 3: delicate softness to pershudo. I think it would breathe well
Speaker 3: because it's cut pretty thick. There's a lot of salt
Speaker 3: in preshudo. There's a lot of salty texture. Though with this,
Speaker 3: Oh so you're saying it's pulling pulling liquid out of
Speaker 3: your skin, Yeah, I think I'm still gonna stick with
Speaker 3: pershudo because some of your your other porks are thicker cut,
Speaker 3: your SOAPROSDA, your ca I mean, Capacla wouldn't be bad either.
Speaker 1: If you're in a humid climate, maybe you go pershudo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think protrudo is my answer that that strikes
Speaker 3: me as the silkiest of the cold cut options.
Speaker 1: I think I go Turkey. I think I go I
Speaker 1: think I keep it simple, I.
Speaker 3: Go Turkey when I talked into a thinly shaved ham
Speaker 3: as well. Okay, final one here from Dan, one of
Speaker 3: our trust for ballers. What's your favorite streaming service? He says,
Speaker 3: I consider HBO in necessity, but Netflix probably has the
Speaker 3: most new content, Disney Plus has the most relevant catalog culturally,
Speaker 3: and Amazon Prime has some real bangers.
Speaker 1: I argue a.
Speaker 3: Very easy answer with this. So we're saying if the
Speaker 3: examples that Dan used good friend of the show, Dan
Speaker 3: Klobacar with a dicey mustache, I would say, if he
Speaker 3: still has it. Yeah, that's true if we are eliminating
Speaker 3: live sports, because some of these, like what does Hulu,
Speaker 3: They're a streaming service and I believe they have live
Speaker 3: TV and live sports. So if we're just talking about
Speaker 3: a streaming service with non live programming. I think the
Speaker 3: easy answer if we're looking at it in terms of
Speaker 3: if you are to be locked in a room for
Speaker 3: a year, which would leave you the most satisfied in
Speaker 3: terms of variety and depth of catalog, does that make
Speaker 3: sense it would be Netflix. I think it's HBO Max
Speaker 3: because there are so you have endless high quality series.
Speaker 3: Right if you haven't seen True Detective, if you haven't
Speaker 3: seen The Wire, if you haven't seen Oz, if you
Speaker 3: haven't seen the Sopranos, Like you have the Prestige television,
Speaker 3: you have the movies. Not a sponsor, HBO Max could
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Speaker 1: I wanted to because.
Speaker 3: I'm selling that out of them advertising at solidverble dot com.
Speaker 3: They also have the They have some of like random
Speaker 3: series is that are on other networks because they have
Speaker 3: the same parent companies, so like Rick and Morty. I
Speaker 3: think Friends is on HBO Max now so in terms
Speaker 3: of series, and they have movies. So I have been
Speaker 3: pretty thrilled with my HBO Max streaming experience and variety.
Speaker 1: I just feel like you get more from Netflix. There's more.
Speaker 1: This is great, more variety, and I agree that the
Speaker 1: highs are definitely higher with HBO, But lately I've been
Speaker 1: getting into those like B minus movies that are Netflix
Speaker 1: only that are just good enough, Like there's a Louilewis
Speaker 1: in all of them. There's a little bit of Hallmark
Speaker 1: Channel there where there's a formula and they don't veer
Speaker 1: from it, and the movies are only going to be
Speaker 1: so good, but they're good enough to keep you entertained.
Speaker 1: So for my money, Netflix, Netflix has anything you're into
Speaker 1: more often than that doesn't have.
Speaker 3: They don't have the well, I guess it depends on
Speaker 3: what you're into, but I don't think they have necessarily.
Speaker 3: The depth of the prestige series is maybe a lot
Speaker 3: of like very like into it for thirty six hours
Speaker 3: reality shows. They have those, right, and they have like
Speaker 3: hey here are like this is hot lake House, you like,
Speaker 3: watch it for seven minutes You're like, Okay, I get it.
Speaker 1: They have a lot of those. They do, but I
Speaker 1: don't know they do no. I think for me it's
Speaker 1: it's Netflix. I think for me it's Netflix because there's
Speaker 1: a lot of again I hear what you're saying on
Speaker 1: the big budget, top shelf premium series. Netflix has a
Speaker 1: lot of TV stuff that could hold you over for
Speaker 1: a while.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, yeah, I mean it just depends on your
Speaker 3: taste obviously, and Disney Plus everybody says is great. I
Speaker 3: just I have found in looking through that that there
Speaker 3: are some things I want to watch, but by and large,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't need to go back and
Speaker 3: rewatch the Marvel movies I've seen.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I found myself not really wanting to go rewatch Star
Speaker 3: Wars movies, even if I've liked the specific one whatever.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot there, and I think it's better
Speaker 3: if you're also including like children with Disney Plus, but
Speaker 3: that doesn't.
Speaker 1: Move me as much.
Speaker 3: I just yeah, I think HBO has more of those
Speaker 3: for me been meaning to watches, and so that would
Speaker 3: be nice if I were locked in a room for
Speaker 3: a year.
Speaker 1: Mayor v'stown. Very good, by the way, good sense, per you,
Speaker 1: very good accents. They did a good job. Okay, thank
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Speaker 1: I appreciate your cheese run from the West Coast, twelve
Speaker 1: pounds of cheese.
Speaker 3: I'll let you know how it goes. I did also
Speaker 3: bring to the West Coast and back from the West
Speaker 3: Coast both my baking scale and a bench scraper for
Speaker 3: making No, okay, that's very light and small.
Speaker 1: You need that. You need to have that with you.
Speaker 3: I did bring a pan back as well from the coast.
Speaker 3: I ordered a pan to make my pan pies to
Speaker 3: to the West Coast, and I decided to bring it
Speaker 3: back because it'd be nice to have another one.
Speaker 1: I had the room. What do you want me to
Speaker 1: tell you, for that guy over there, my good friend
Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie Hilt and Brand. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for coming on back, asking your questions, and
Speaker 1: for bearing with us here through our silliness. Daniel, stay solid, hey,
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