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Speaker 1: Television and Bloomberg Radio. And you're listening to Bloomberg. You're

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Speaker 1: Division and Bloomberg Radio. It's been a long month this week, folks,

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Speaker 1: How's the reelection campaign going, John, It's going well. It's

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Speaker 1: going to be here, Kevin. Um, we are here in

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Speaker 1: for Alright, So so size up the left. There's like

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Speaker 1: mind on that debate stage? Sure? Well, um, you know

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Speaker 1: watching the debate in Detroit. Um, yeah, I think the

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Speaker 1: turn in your Mica. Well, I respectfully disagree with both

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Speaker 1: House coming. I'm a little bitter today. If I'm just

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Speaker 1: uh in the in the places that you talk about,

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Speaker 1: and we've we've been these are divisive, divisive. That's a

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Speaker 1: deeper than that. But how does this how does this

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Speaker 1: and devotion for this country. Um. It's something that it's

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Speaker 1: something that this week, Um, beyond the noise, I believe

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Speaker 1: we're we're going to continue to support this administration in

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Speaker 1: in give them the chance to serve the American people

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Speaker 1: as they had then because they're fighting for our safety,

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Speaker 1: our security, and our prosperity. All right, John Pence, Raoul lar,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to leave it there. Raoul alv Lar

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Speaker 1: Democratic National Committee, and John Pence senior advisor to President

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